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Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.

Mark Twain

Yeah annie_moose, I blame the plastic water and soda bottle drinkers for the huge increase of plastic waste.

GLOBAL COOLING UPDATE

“Average temperatures in areas such as California and France may drop over the next 10 years, influenced by colder flows in the North Atlantic, said a report today by the institution based in Kiel, Germany. Temperatures worldwide may stabilize in the period.

The study was based on sea-surface temperatures of currents that move heat around the world, and vary from decade to decade. This regional cooling effect may temporarily neutralize the long- term warming phenomenon caused by heat-trapping greenhouse gases building up around the earth, said Richard Wood, a research scientist at the Met Office Hadley Centre, a U.K. provider of environmental and weather-related services.

“Those natural climate variations could be stronger than the global-warming trend over the next 10-year period,” Wood said in an interview. “Without knowing that, you might erroneously think there’s no global warming going on.”

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Another factor that the global warming models forgot. So, even if it’s cooler over the next 10 years, doesn’t mean it’s not really warming.

Covering all the bases. Got it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

“Those natural climate variations could be stronger than the global-warming trend over the next 10-year period,”

Climate forecasting over the next 10+ years, what a craps shoot.

Regular & Predestined, thank you both for the links, I will explore them further later today.

Link to above quote. Watch it yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64fDLplBfQ

ANTI,

I’d also suggest some open source alternatives for you as well.

VirtualDub is one I’ve seen and doesn’t seem to bad.
http://www.virtualdub.org/

Pentagon Cover Up
15,000 or More US Deaths in Iraq War?
By MIKE WHITNEY

The Pentagon has been concealing the true number of American casualties in the Iraq War. The real number exceeds 15,000 and CBS News can prove it.

CBS’s Investigative Unit wanted to do a report on the number of suicides in the military and “submitted a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Defense”. After 4 months they received a document which showed–that between 1995 and 2007– there were 2,200 suicides among “active duty” soldiers.

Baloney.

The Pentagon was covering up the real magnitude of the “suicide epidemic”. Following an exhaustive investigation of veterans’ suicide data collected from 45 states; CBS discovered that in 2005 alone “there were at least 6,256 among those who served in the armed forces. That’s 120 each and every week in just one year.”

That is not a typo. Active and retired military personnel, mostly young veterans between the ages of 20 to 24, are returning from combat and killing themselves in record numbers. We can assume that “multiple-tours of duty” in a war-zone have precipitated a mental health crisis of which the public is entirely unaware and which the Pentagon is in total denial.

If we add the 6,256 suicide victims from 2005 to the “official” 3,865 reported combat casualties; we get a sum of 10,121. Even a low-ball estimate of similar 2004 and 2006 suicide figures, would mean that the total number of US casualties from the Iraq war now exceed 15,000.

That’s right; 15,000 dead US servicemen and women in a war that–as yet–has no legal or moral justification.

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney11172007.html

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I can’t believe that the Bush Administration would seek to lie about the true costs of war in Iraq . . . particularly since they were so honest and forthright in the run up to the war.

(heavy sarcasm)

CBS?

’nuff said.

Survey: Troops fear stress therapy will hurt careers

Posted: 06:49 PM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — U.S. troops fear that seeking help for mental health problems could harm their careers, according to a survey released Wednesday, and the Pentagon is expected to change its policies to ease that concern.

Three out of five members of the military worry it would have at least some impact, according to the small online survey conducted for the American Psychiatric Association. About half said they thought other people would think less of them if they sought help for mental health problems.

The report was released a day before a scheduled announcement by Defense Secretary Robert Gates aimed at encouraging more servicemembers to seek help for post-combat stress. Pentagon officials told CNN that troops who file for security clearances will no longer have to answer a question on the standard application for a security clearance that asks whether the applicant has been treated for combat-related mental health issues.

Currently, if a service member says they have received treatment they are required to answer the question in depth, in person, in an interview with a security agent.

http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/30/survey-troops-fear-stress-therapy-will-hurt-careers/

Monkeyhawk Posted May 1, 2008 at 9:31 am |
“Nathaniel” quotes –
“Weapons compound man’s power to achieve…”
“So without your guns, “Nathaniel,” you are an underachiever?
Compensating for a shortcoming?”

What is it with mental runts like Monkeyhawk that can do no more than attack the man instead of reasonably argue a point?
You’d think they’d be embarrassed enough to shut up!

Telecoms and the Bush administration talked about how to keep their surveillance program under wraps.

The Bush administration is refusing to disclose internal e-mails, letters and notes showing contacts with major telecommunications companies over how to persuade Congress to back a controversial surveillance bill, according to recently disclosed court documents.

The existence of these documents surfaced only in recent days as a result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by a privacy group called the Electronic Frontier Foundation. The foundation (alerted to the issue in part by a NEWSWEEK story last fall) is seeking information about communications among administration officials, Congress and a battery of politically well-connected lawyers and lobbyists hired by such big telecom carriers as AT&T and Verizon. Court papers recently filed by government lawyers in the case confirm for the first time that since last fall unnamed representatives of the telecoms phoned and e-mailed administration officials to talk about ways to block more than 40 civil suits accusing the companies of privacy violations because of their participation in a secret post-9/11 surveillance program ordered by the White House.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/134930

” And when the “rich” decide to take their money and business off shore? ”

Let ‘em go. Every one of them goes opens a window for those down the ladder.

And institute tarriffs. If it aint made here ya don’t sell it here without a heavy tarriff.

Agricultural Firms Post Record Quarterly Profits

The rise in food prices has been linked to several factors, including bad weather, the higher price of oil and the diversion of crops to produce biofuels for cars. The growing unrest over food security comes as major agricultural companies are posting record profits. This week, the grain-processing giant Archer Daniels Midland announced a 42 percent rise in third-quarter profits. Revenues from the distribution of grains including wheat and corn were up 700 percent. According to the Wall Street Journal, other major firms, including Monsanto, Deere and Mosaic, have all reported similar windfalls.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/1/headlines#1

Happy May 1 to all you Marxist/Commie/Democrat Socialist/Proggressives out there.

Have a great one.

….and “workers”.

It’s also Commander Codpiece day.

The anniversary of “Mission Accomplished”

All you cons got your faux flight suits and crotch enhancers?

“If we add the 6,256 suicide victims from 2005 to the “official” 3,865 reported combat casualties; we get a sum of 10,121. Even a low-ball estimate of similar 2004 and 2006 suicide figures, would mean that the total number of US casualties from the Iraq war now exceed 15,000.”

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These left wing articles are always remarkable for the information they leave out. They must be looked at critically because they are written to mislead. Assuming that the numbers are correct:

I wonder if these folks had all served in Iraq? It doesn’t say. It includes all active and retired military.

I wonder what the suicide rate is for: 1. the general public 2. All those who had served in the the armed services. 3. Is is higher than normal?

I wonder what percentage of those who committed suicide had been diagnosed with a combat related
mental illness?

I wonder how many had other reasons for suicide completely unrelated to Iraq.

Until those questions are answered, the article is not worth the bandwidth it occupies.

outlander – “may temporarily neutralize”

Let’s hope that speculation is correct. It might at least temporarily buy us some time.

Thanks Heckler!!

“Boxlock” whines –

“What is it with mental runts like Monkeyhawk that can do no more than attack the man instead of reasonably argue a point?”

“Boxlock,” you “mental runt” (just trying to on “point” here), seems like “Nathaniel’s” credo
“Weapons compound man’s power to achieve…” and his obsession for weaponry raise a “point.” (Or not, as the case may be.)

They make pills for that now, “Boxlock.” They sell ‘em in stores.

The top 1% earns over 21% of the income generated in this country. So I have no problem with them paying more in taxes, and closing loopholes generated by business at the expense of the workers, who make the businesses prosper.
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The latest release of Internal Revenue Service data on individual income taxes comes from calendar year 2005, a year in which the economy remained healthy and continued to grow, as well as a year with higher-than-average price inflation.

This year’s numbers show that both the income share earned by the top 1 percent and the tax share paid by the top 1 percent have reached all-time highs. In 2005, the top 1 percent of tax returns paid 39.4 percent of all federal individual income taxes and earned 21.2 percent of adjusted gross income, both of which are significantly higher than 2004 when the top 1 percent earned 19 percent of AGI and paid 36.9 percent of federal individual income taxes.

(Note: For a detailed paper on the distribution of the entire U.S. fiscal system, including all federal and state and local taxes, read Who Pays Taxes and Who Receives Government Spending? An Analysis of Federal, State and Local Tax and Spending Distributions, 1991 – 2004.)

The IRS data also shows increases in individual incomes across all income groups (see Table 3). Just as the highest earners lost the biggest percentage of their incomes during the recession of 2001, so they have prospered the most as the economy has continued to rebound. For example, from 2000 to 2002, the adjusted gross income (AGI) of the top 1 percent of tax returns fell by over 26 percent. In that same period, the AGI of the bottom 50 percent of tax returns actually increased by 4.3 percent. However, since 2002, as the recession has ended, AGI has risen by 61 percent for the top 1 percent and 10.7 percent for the bottom 50 percent.

In sum, between 2000 and 2005, pre-tax income for the top 1 percent group grew by 19.1 percent. On the other hand, in that same time period, pre-tax income for the bottom 50 percent increased by 15.5 percent.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

This is why I’ll never vote for another Clinton:

This disaster was compounded by the fact that after the collapse of health reform, on the advice of Dickie Morris (summoned by Mrs. Clinton), the Clintons swerved right, toward all the ensuing ghastly legislative ventures of their regime – the onslaughts on welfare, the crime bill, NAFTA. With Morris came the birth of “triangulation” – the tactic of the Clinton White House working with Republicans and conservative Democrats and actively undermining liberal and progressive initiatives in Congress. Money that could have given the House back to the Democrats in 1996 was snatched by the White House purely for the self-preservation of the Clintons.

. . . .

Since Vietnam, there’s never been a war that Mrs. Clinton didn’t like. She argued passionately in the White House for the NATO bombing of Belgrade. Five days after September 11, 2001, she was calling for a broad war on terror. Any country presumed to be lending “aid and comfort” to al-Qaeda “will now face the wrath of our country.” Bush echoed these words eight days later in his nationally televised speech on September 21. “I’ll stand behind Bush for a long time to come”, Senator Clinton promised, and she was as good as her word, voting for the Patriot Act and the wide-ranging authorization to use military force against Afghanistan.

Of course she supported without reservation the attack on Afghanistan and, as the propaganda buildup toward the onslaught on Iraq got underway, she didn’t even bother to walk down the hall to read the national intelligence estimate on Iraq before the war. (She wasn’t alone in that. Only six senators read that NIE.) When she was questioned about this, she claimed she was briefed on its contents, but in fact no one on her staff had the security clearance to read the report. And her ignorance showed when it came time to deliver her speech in support of the war, as she reiterated some of the most outlandish claims made by Dick Cheney. In this speech, she said Saddam Hussein had rebuilt his chemical and biological weapons program; that he had improved his long-range missile capability; that he was reconstituting his nuclear weapons program; and that he was giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda. The only other Democratic senator to make all four of these claims in his floor speech was Joe Lieberman. But even he didn’t go as far as Senator Hillary.

Much more at link, including how Hillary sicced a private investigator on Jennifer Flowers to slime her (successfully), how Vince Foster was driven to suicide by getting blamed for her bad decisions, that she knew about Monica and insisted Bill lie to cover it up.

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11162007.html

Now Capn.

If you start throwing mud at Senator Clinton?

I’m gonna have to throw mud at Republican sympathizer Obama.

How’s that search for a con you can work with coming?

“Those evil ole “rich” people. Punish someone for success. That’ll keep the country moving in the right direction.” — Sol

What a tired mantra; do you say that on your knees every night before going to bed? rich equals success? The we should all emulate Paris Hilton.

Two early cases (of a total of five that Hillary actually tried) charted her course. The first concerned the successful effort of Acorn ­ a public interest group doing community organizing ­ to force the utilities to lower electric rates on residential consumers and raise on industrial users. Hillary represented the utilities in a challenge to this progressive law, the classic right-wing claim, arguing that the measure represented an unconstitutional “taking” of property rights. She carried the day for the utilities.

The second case found Hillary representing the Coca-Cola Bottling Company of Arkansas in a lawsuit filed by a disabled former employee who had been denied full retirement benefits by the company. In earlier years, Hillary had worked at the Children’s Defense Fund on behalf of abused employees and disabled children. Only months earlier, while still a member of the Washington, D.C., public interest community, she had publicly ripped Joseph Califano for becoming the Coca Cola company’s public counsel. “You sold us out, you, you sold us out!” she screamed publicly at Califano. Working now for Coca Cola, Hillary prevailed

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn11142007.html

Beber,

Do you punish your kids for doing well in school?

Will you want them punished should they become successful?

BJ

O’Reilly? Right Wing? hmmmm. Not Really.

Monkeyrunt,

Nathaniel quotes another and you pull it out of context and comment attacking Nathaniel as if attributing the quote to him. Which frankly makes it a lie, so what does that make you in addition to a mental runt.

The quote:
“…they (guns) amplify the capabilities of both the good man and the bad, and to exactly the same degree, having no will of their own. Thus we must regard them as servants, not masters – and good servants to good men….An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.” by — Col. Jeff Cooper

And being a gutter runt you turn it into a sexual inadequacy statement directed at us both.
You’re the one that’s inadequate runt.

Beber, JR, and Capn,

Do you punish your kids for doing well in school? This is the model you want in society, do you practice it at home?

If your kids are successful in their careers, will/do you take a percentage of their income because they are successful?

How is it “punishment” to demand of those who are comfortable in our system to pay more for it?

I’m with you wichiwomn. We bought a couple of purifying pitchers from the big box store. Were good to now. Way too much disposable stuff out there.

BlueJay Posted May 1, 2008 at 10:45 am |
“How is it “punishment” to demand of those who are comfortable in our system to pay more for it?”

Because they have ALREADY ‘paid’ for it…they have worked for it…you haven’t! :(

“Ya got a good seat, you pay for it.”

You are talking about using what you have earned. This is the choice of the one who is purchasing said seat. They could just as easily invest that money or got out to a nice restaurant.

By increasing the percentage of tax paid by those with more, that is not a choice. That is theft.

Boxlock’s post pretty much spells it out. Can you refute that post?

You can bet the admin. will fight this tooth and nail, claim executive privelege. Can’t let the truth get out!
Aviation companies blame FBI, CIA and terrorists for 9/11
Wednesday April 30, 6:06 pm ET
By Larry Neumeister, Associated Press Writer
Aviation industry blames FBI, CIA and terrorists for 9/11 in suits filed by victims’ families

NEW YORK (AP) — Aviation companies sued by the families of Sept. 11 victims for failing to safeguard air travel are in turn blaming federal investigators — arguing the Federal Aviation Administration was not alerted that al-Qaida was poised to launch terrorist attacks.
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In court documents filed this week in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, aviation companies are seeking to force five FBI employees to provide testimony that may help defend against claims the companies share blame in the attacks.

“The aviation parties anticipate that the FBI witnesses’ testimony will demonstrate that the FBI had information before Sept. 11 indicating that al-Qaida may have been about to launch terrorist attacks on civil aviation, which it did not timely pass along to the Federal Aviation Administration,” lawyers wrote.

The “non-recession” affecting the European middle class, too:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/01/business/worldbusiness/01middle.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087&em&en=52029311ec1217e0&ex=1209787200

“How do you know I’m not a ‘paid’ political blogger”

Wow. If that’s true, someone needs to be asking for a refund, Dude!

BlueJay
Posted May 1, 2008 at 10:45 am | Permalink
How is it “punishment” to demand of those who are comfortable in our system to pay more for it?
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Hillarious, Sad, and Stupid at the same time. This describes the Libs to a “T”.

Sol/Box – is there a point to arguing with the Lib idiots? They won’t get it until they are in the same situation as that girl working her way thru college. (Good story Box) And that ain’t gonna happen until their gravy train ends.

Tax Stats – I’ve posted a dozen times, no point in reposting details and links again. The whining continues. Just like hungry little piggies fighting over the teets of Momma Government. They are fat, dumb, and happy and squeel like crazy when you take their teet away!

The top 50% pay 97% of the taxes. How much should they pay?

Answer: Well they have most of the revenue! Yup. Cause they EARNED IT!

Ween yourselves already!

Perhaps sam. What I really want to get is cooperaton from the City on placing trash receptacles in strategic locations so that ‘homes’ can be kept clean. Perhaps you could get a group to get to that bridge anyway? I’ll be picking up supplies at LD and then driving by both that location and then on to the WATER Center for the south wichita group.

ksfarmgrrl,

It’s obvious from BlueJay’s responses I am doing a very effective job…if I was a paid blogger that is.
Same with you, ha!
Now answer in a piss’y way and prove it.

Here’s the story on “Mission Accomplished” – Believe it?

WASHINGTON — The White House said Wednesday that President Bush has paid a price for the “Mission Accomplished” banner that was flown in triumph five years ago but later became a symbol of U.S. misjudgments and mistakes in the long and costly war in Iraq.

Thursday is the fifth anniversary of Bush’s dramatic landing in a Navy jet on an aircraft carrier homebound from the war. The USS Abraham Lincoln had launched thousands of airstrikes on Iraq.

“Major combat operations in Iraq have ended,” Bush said at the time. “The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on Sept. 11, 2001, and still goes on.” The “Mission Accomplished” banner was prominently displayed above him _ a move the White House came to regret as the display was mocked and became a source of controversy.

After shifting explanations, the White House eventually said the “Mission Accomplished” phrase referred to the carrier’s crew completing its 10-month mission, not the military completing its mission in Iraq. Bush, in October 2003, disavowed any connection with the “Mission Accomplished” message. He said the White House had nothing to do with the banner; a spokesman later said the ship’s crew asked for the sign and the White House staff had it made by a private vendor.

“President Bush is well aware that the banner should have been much more specific and said `mission accomplished’ for these sailors who are on this ship on their mission,” White House press secretary Dana Perino said Wednesday. “And we have certainly paid a price for not being more specific on that banner. And I recognize that the media is going to play this up again tomorrow, as they do every single year.”

She said what is important now is “how the president would describe the fight today. It’s been a very tough month in Iraq, but we are taking the fight to the enemy.”

At least 49 U.S. troops died in Iraq in April, making it the deadliest month since September when 65 U.S. troops died.

Now in its sixth year, the war in Iraq has claimed the lives of at least 4,061 members of the U.S. military. Only the Vietnam War (August 1964 to January 1973), the war in Afghanistan (October 2001 to present) and the Revolutionary War (July 1776 to April 1783) have engaged America longer.

Bush, in a speech earlier this month, said that “while this war is difficult, it is not endless.”

S/B Progressive Tax System. (Not Regressive)

Sigh, still at it.

That is a lie, Ben, right from the bowels of the DNC. Or did you mean something other than than the war when you said “it”.

At least McCain is more honest than other Cons, remember the weeks, maybe months, I doubt years statement from Rummy, or his he knows where the WMDS are their North south east and west of Baghdad

chucklesnort

From Tucker Gun Leather blog.

A biker is riding by the zoo when he sees a little girl leaning into
the lion’s cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the cuff of her jacket
and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her
screaming parents. The biker jumps off his bike, runs to the cage, and
hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch. Whimpering from the pain, the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings her to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.
A NYT reporter has seen the whole scene and, addressing the biker, says, “Sir, this was the most gallant and brave thing I saw a man do in my whole life.” The man responds, “Why, it was nothing, really, the lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and I took appropriate action.”
“Well, I’ll make sure this won’t go unnoticed. I’m a journalist from the New York Times, you know, and tomorrow’s paper will have this on the first page. What motorcycle do you ride and what political affiliation do you have?” “A Harley Davidson and I am a Republican.”
The journalist leaves. The following morning the biker buys The New York Times to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads on the first page:
“REPUBLICAN BIKER GANG MEMBER ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT AND STEALS HIS LUNCH!”

Max, Clinton (and Obama) said the troops COULD be there until 2013, depending on what is done in the next year or so. And that was last year.

I’m really getting tired of the misquotes.

outlander – NOT a lie. I saw the tapes of McCain saying it.

OH! Now I understand. That must have been an imposter!

but … but … I thought the media was LIBERAL!

Yeah BTH I heard that and might have still believed it until I actually started paying attention. What is not reported on or hidden in plain sight. Leads me to think otherwise.

NEWS FLASH! THE D.C. MADAM FOUND DEAD!
Her body was found this morning in a shed in her mother’s back yard, it was said to be a suicide.
She had been convicted a few weeks ago and was said to have provide a service to many notable name in Washington. So now let the spin begin!

LITTLEJOHN yes in deed! shoot, the Iraqis should be paying the cost of our troops being there too!
It is more a benefit to Iraq then it ever will be for the U.S.

Freedom is a two edged sword max. The economic and social freedoms. This is what I mean by double standard. I agree that the liberals have put limits on freedoms. The conservatives have as well. The Jeffersonian notion of how it neither “picks my pocket nor breaks my leg” has been out the window. Again Max, no double standards, the self proclaimed “conservatives” have eroded freedoms as well.

J R asks, “How’s that search for a con you can work with coming?”

I can find one right here on the WEBlog.

SolDevo wants to end the war ASAP. So do I.

Max–

I can honestly say I don’t mind paying my fair share of taxes.

If I didn’t make it, I couldn’t be taxed on it.

You CONs should grow up.

Taxes are the dues we pay to live in a civilized society. You could live with the indigenous people in a rain-forest somewhere. They don’t pay taxes.

As for where our taxes go, however, that’s that problem. They’re getting sucked down by wealthy corporations like Halliburton.

“yes TAXES do take away our freedom. If you are not free to keep your personal property, then you are NOT free.”

Do you drive on public roads, Max.

Are you protected by the US military, Max?

Do the police in your town investigate crime, Max?

Did your parents or grandparents benefit from Social Security, Max?

Did you eat meat that was FDA inspected, Max?

Did you flush your toilet into the sewer system, Max?

Drink any clean water today, Max?

Was your mail delivered today, Max?

Did you go to school, Max?

By the way, Max, you are making an assumption that ALL taxes were generated my liberals – a stupid assumption to begin with…………

understandable bth. As I said don’t pick my pocket or break my leg. The prostitute doesn’t give a woman herpes, her husband does. Guns don’t kill, people do. If two dudes want to be homos, keep on rocking, it leaves more chicks for me.

Max, If you want freedom to keep all of your property, (where I come from that sounds like ultimate economic freedom) then remember, once again, no double standards. We should have ultimate personal freedom (i.e. No laws against gambling, drugs, alcohol etc.) Now can we get away from the absolutes and discuss which personal freedoms being lost is acceptable? Discuss which financial freedoms being lost is acceptable. All within one standard.

Neufeld must not have all his votes yet. I thought from the posturing a poker playing last week he might. But if he did… they would have already voted on it. I wonder when they will vote!

I’m tellin’ ya… these guys are freakin’ INSANE!

Now the whole coal plant rests on a “side deal” or trailer bill that increases the power going to Kansas from 18 to 32 percent? About a third?

Oh yeah, there’s the sugar that makes the medicine go down. (sarcasm off)

WTF?

And… the Kansas utility they want Sunflower to sell this power to doesnt EVEN KNOW IF THEY WANT IT??????????? Because of cost????????

Woof.

Check out the comments too about the Holcomb plant not meeting the needs of Sunflower customers in 10 or 15 years. I guess they will need another plant, since MOST of the power will NOT go to Sunflower’s own customers?

Goddamn. Steve Miller changes his stories so often he sounds like bush trying to explain why we went to iraq.

Follow the bouncing ball for ever changing explanations. Is that something they teach in republican skool?

http://www.kansas.com/news/updates/story/389182.html

Agreed – which sort of makes my point. There must be boundaries … of some sort.

Yet again, “Boxlock” resorts to name calling with –

“Monkeyrunt,”

and…

“.. being a gutter runt you…”

Ah! A “gutter runt!” (I’m so glad you’ve kept this discussion “on point.”)

“… turn it into a sexual inadequacy statement directed at us both.”

I don’t recall posting anything about your “sexual inadequacy.” Sorry you took it that way.

Sorry for you about why you’re particularly sensitive about such issues, too.

“You’re the one that’s inadequate runt.

Well, we’ll all accept your testimony that “Nathanial” is sexually “adequate.” But that’s pretty lame praise for him coming from you, unless you have personal first-hand experience as to “Nathaniel’s” sexual prowess.

“Nathaniel” stated, “Weapons compound man’s power to achieve…,” and admitted that his “power to achieve…” was, essentially, dependent upon his arsenal of weapons.

It was YOU, “Boxlock,” who inferred some attack on sexuality. Just a bit sensitive about such issues, “Boxlock?”

I’m perfectly willing to accept your testimony that “Nathaniel’s” sexual “achievements” have met your rigorous test(s). You obviously know more about “Nathaniel’s” sexual skills than I do.

Whoa, did you see this? Even I dont agree with this. They must not vet their honorary degree candidates very well if this is news. SO much for academic freedom.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080501/pl_bloomberg/axcinkuxnrh8

Dear Iraq War Supporters,

Here’s a child you killed. His name was Ali Hussein, and he was two. I thought you should see him.

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/11359

Yeah, sad about the DC madam. Most folks wont even remember her name, just that tag.

News report said this is not the first suicide in the DC madam case. They’ve notified the FBI, but right now, no mention of foul play. She apparently left notes. I feel sorry for the Mom who found her.

Ya gotta wonder, she was about to be sentenced. Maybe she was getting ready to sing? Lots of high profile folks involved.

Maybe she was just sad and tired.

RIP

Here’s the other suicide in the case.

Brandy Britton who worked for the DC madam
http://www.examiner.com/a-714063~Accused_D_C__madam__Br…

More News from our State House:

GOVERNOR’S VETO SUSTAINED BY SENATE
Gov. Sebelius’ veto of new restrictions on abortion providers withstood an attempt some Senators to overturn it. The vote was 25-14, two short of the two-thirds majority needed to nullify the veto in the Senate and send it to the House, where an override effort probably would have been successful. A bill that is vetoed must go to the house of origin first for an override effort. SB 389 passed the Senate last year unanimously, but it was not the bill that passed the House. New late term abortion provisions were substituted for the original bill in the House. The Senate took a vote to agree with the House changes in a conference report, but that vote was with 25 yeas, enough to pass the bill but not enough for an override. When she vetoed the measure, Sebelius argued that the new restrictions could deny women life-saving medical care. She objected most strongly to provisions allowing a patient’s spouse or family members to go to court if they believed a doctor had performed or was about to perform an illegal late-term abortion.
Besides imposing new restrictions on late term abortions, the measure would have allowed civil lawsuits to block late-term procedures on fetuses 22 weeks or older. The bill also allows a former patient or her family to sue a doctor for monetary damages if she believes a pregnancy was improperly terminated. The patient herself could sue, but so could a prosecutor in the county where the abortion was performed or the county where the woman lived. The measure was partly a response to allegations that Dr. George Tiller in Wichita has performed illegal late-term abortions at his Wichita clinic. Tiller is among the few U.S. physicians who perform such procedures, and he says that he follows state law. The bill called for doctors using ultrasound or monitoring fetal heartbeats to make information from those sources available to a patient at least 30 minutes before an abortion. Also, doctors would have to tell their patients whether their fetuses are viable and, if not, why.
The vote came with little debate; Sen. Tim Huelskamp, R-Fowler, made the override motion.

COAL PLANT CONTROVERSY CONTINUES
The standoff continued yesterday over the proposed coal-fired power project in southwest Kansas and a new measure has emerged that would hit every electric customer in the state. A companion bill to the power plant bill was approved in the Senate that would assess a 2 cent per meter per month charge on all ratepayers for four years. Funds raised from the charge would go toward helping Hays-based Sunflower Electric Power Corp. develop its bio-energy research center, and also statewide energy efficiency and weatherization programs. Senate Democratic Leader Anthony Hensley, D-Topeka, who opposes the power plant project, called the new charge a tax, and complained that it rocketed out of a hastily called committee meeting with little notice and no chance for opponents to testify.
Strategy-wise, the bill was seen by supporters of the project as needed to get more support behind the two 700-megawatt plants because it also included provisions to increase power from the project for use in the state. The commotion over the bill is typical of a whirlwind of activity as lawmakers started the wrap-up session. Earlier in the day, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius rejected an ultimatum to approve the coal-fired project and the Senate voted to override her April 17 veto of a second bill that would authorize the plants.
The fate of the two proposed coal-fired power plants appears to rest TODAY with a side deal among legislators to move some of the power as far east as Kansas City. The side deal also would require the secretary of KDHE to draft the state’s first rules on carbon dioxide emissions and submit them to legislators for their review next year. Supporters of the two plants have succeeded in the Senate to override the governor’s veto and hope their side agreement will attract the last few votes necessary in the House. That action would come after Sunflower Electric Power Corp.’s top executive acknowledged that building the new plants might not be enough to meet its customers’ power needs after 2020. The side deal requires a trailer bill, which the Senate approved on a 27-6 vote yesterday, the same day it was drafted and without committee consideration or hearings. That leaves the remaining crucial decisions in the House. House leaders had hoped to take those votes yesterday but were waiting on the Senate to finish with the trailer bill. By evening, they’d decided they waited on the Senate long enough and adjourned. But the delay also could change votes, giving both supporters and opponents more time to lobby lawmakers. “We might win some; we might lose some,” said House Majority Leader Ray Merrick, a Stillwell Republican who supports the plants. “It depends on who twists arms best.”
Supporters need two-thirds majorities in both chambers to override a veto. They’ve always had more than enough in the Senate, but in the House, they’ve always been at least one vote short of the necessary margin, 84 of 125 votes. The trailer bill is a response to some legislators’ worries about CO2 and to criticism that not enough of the power from the new plants would stay in Kansas. Sunflower is relying on two out-of-state partners to help finance the project, and they’d get 86% of the new power, no matter what the energy needs of Kansas are. Earl Watkins Jr., Sunflower’s chief executive officer in Kansas, said the share of power allocated to it and a sister utility, Midwest Energy Inc., will meet their needs now, but he acknowledged that Sunflower expects demand to outstrip the new generating capacity after 11 or 12 years.
“In 2018, 2019, 2020, if our load grows as we anticipate it, we’ll be looking at an additional piece of generation whether it will be in our service territory, together with other utilities, outside the state of Kansas,” he said. The trailer bill requires Sunflower to offer 14% of the new power to Kansas utilities not involved in its project, starting with the Board of Public Utilities in Kansas City in order to entice Wyandotte County’s legislative delegation, which has been split on Sunflower’s project. That power would be taken from Sunflower’s partners, Tri-State Generation and Transmission Association Inc. of Westminster, Colo., and Golden Spread Electric Cooperative, in Amarillo, Texas. Those partners would still retain 72% of the power.

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In addition, all Kansas utilities customers would be required to pay the state 2 cents a month for each electric meter. The $2.5 million raised each year would finance energy conservation efforts and research into clean energy.

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That includes research at a bio-energy center Sunflower has proposed as part of its project to capture some CO2, use it to grow algae and convert the algae into biofuels. But Kansas City’s BPU didn’t embrace the trailer bill. Their lobbyist said legislators who support Sunflower’s project approached him Tuesday but wanted a quick answer. He said the BPU would have to consider many issues, including the cost of the new power.

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House leaders are promising an override vote today, but they are uncertain of its outcome.

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The bills have all limited the authority of KDHE to regulate air pollution emissions state-wide.

Legislative leaders and Sunflower Electric gave Sebelius an ultimatum to accept the two 600-megawatt plants with little change on the previously stated conditions, but she refused the proposal. “I am disappointed that, for the third time in a row, the Legislature is asking me to mandate that Kansas send the power we need — the power we create — to Colorado and Texas,” Sebelius said during a news conference. In other words, the Governor has said, Kansas gets most of the air quality degradation and very little of the energy from the deal.
Within hours of her rejection of the ultimatum, the Senate overrode Sebelius’ veto, 32-7, which was five more than the two-thirds majority needed to override the veto.
But the momentum to try an override in the House bogged down as yesterday progressed. The companion bill slowed down in the Senate because of technical problems and a number of amendments offered by those opposed to the proposal. The full Senate adopted the measure. As the Senate worked on the bill, the House adjourned for the evening. Some legislators had left earlier to attend the lecture by U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts at Kansas University’s Lied Center.

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To override Sebelius’ veto in the 125-member House would require 84 votes.

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House leaders said they would vote on the companion bill this morning and then try to override Sebelius’ veto in the afternoon.

Heh Heckler,

Reminds me of the climb to Vesuvius in Italy. Darn volcanic rock was very slippery and the fast way down was about 5,000 feet. No holes in the floor like that one though. :D

And finally other business wrap-up from our State House:

OTHER ACTIONS
“The cost of a Kansas driver’s license is going up. Yesterday, the state Senate approved and sent to the governor a bill increasing the cost by a maximum of $4. Motorists now pay $22 for a driver’s license. The vote on Senate Bill 23 was 23-16. The increase will pay for a computer system aimed at complying with the federal Real ID Act and ensuring that licenses are given to eligible drivers and not identity thieves or illegal immigrants. The House approved it earlier this month 71-47. Earlier in the session, the proposal was for a much larger increase.
The Senate unanimously passed a compromise bill yesterday that would give the Board of Healing Arts the ability to discipline doctors after only one complaint of negligence or intentional infraction. House Bill 2620 also would bar physicians from sexual relationships with patients.
The bill would create a searchable database on the Kansas Board of Healing Arts’ Web site that would include the history of all doctors registered in the state. The board has been criticized for moving too slowly in disciplining doctors.
The bill also would require people applying for new physician or nursing licenses to undergo background checks and fingerprinting. The bill now goes to the House.
The House unanimously passed a bill Wednesday that would strengthen the state’s stalking law. House substitute for SB 414, removes the requirement that an alleged stalker’s actions present a “credible threat.” The measure was prompted by the murder of 19-year-old Jodi Sanderholm of Arkansas City, who was abducted, raped and murdered in January 2007 by a perpetrator who was a known stalker of young women. It would allow charges of stalking after two or more instances that a “reasonable” person would find threatening. A conference committee added continuing training for law enforcement on handling stalking cases. The bill now goes to the Senate.
Deployed soldiers won’t have to worry about their child custody agreements when they come home from fighting a war under a bill passed by the House yesterday. House substitute for SB 32 is a bill to protect the status quo of military custody issues when there is a deployment.
The measure passed 125-0 and now goes to the Senate.
Kansas had been near the bottom among states in testing for genetic disorders. It has tested for four disorders: phenylketonuria, commonly called PKU; galactosemia; hypothyroidism; and sickle cell anemia.
Newborns in Kansas will be tested for a wide range of potentially deadly but treatable genetic disorders beginning July 1. Kansas had been near the bottom among states in testing for genetic disorders. Now the state will test for 29 conditions, including cystic fibrosis, instead of just four. Early diagnosis often results in much better results because of early treatment. The 2007 Legislature approved expanded testing and this year gave KDHE $800,000 to get the lab ready. Lawmakers budgeted
$2.2 million for the program, including five new positions for testing and follow-up with parents.
The Kansas Dental Association and Oral Health Kansas, a statewide dental advocacy group, supported HB 2781, which adds certain conditions allowing dentists to open satellite offices in rural areas. It was signed into law by the governor in March. According to Teresa Schwab, executive director of Oral Health Kansas, 14 Kansas counties do not have dentists. And of all of the practicing dentists, 75% are located in the five biggest urban counties; the remaining 25% are scattered across the rest of the state. Current regulations have hindered the opening of dental clinics in Kansas rural communities.”

Good point VET. With a name like HUSSEIN he HAD to be a bad guy! Reminds me of ‘Nam: “Sarge, I just killed a pregnant woman; what do I do?” “One VC, one cadet”

The matter of taxes paid elsewhere is usually expressed as a rate of taxation rather than the acutual amount taken. Taxes for gas brings the price up to $9.00 a gallon in Europe for instance, but very few people actually buy gas as compared to the US and nobody drives 50 miles just for a vist, they take a train. The average European expends much, much less in real dollars for gas so contributes less to government coffers even though the rates are higher. This is true in other areas as well. European (and many others) have an amalgamted tax rate of around 34% where the US is 27% and Mexico 17%. So, the rate may be higher but they don’t consume at the nearly same rate as Amercians. Therefore, rate times consumption equates to real taxation, not rates alone. There is the other factor… where do their taxes go? The largest amounts go to healthcare, education and social services, those areas which a people with a more fully developed social concience deem important. Looking at the international rankings for the standards of living, saving rates, healthcare, crime, the ambian enviornment in which to live, and education results, they seem to be achieveing their goals. So don’t be astonished or pity their rates of taxation, just think what % your healthcare, auto insurance etc., costs are as a % of your net, net income mothly. Our biggest expense is National Defence, and we are far and away the stongest power the world had ever known, spending more on weaponry than the rest of the world combined. We continue to achieve that goal, for Pearl Harbor and 9/11 seemingly can’t let us do otherwise.

The difference outlander is that the McCain quote consists of his words in the order in which they were spoken. That is why I posted the link to him actually saying it.

Sort of like his singing “Bomb Iran” – again, uncut and unexpurgated. Pure John McCain.

Outlander. That is quite a bit of writing just to accuse BTH of taking McCain out of context or knocking down the straw man. Is it within context to say that McCain would consider a permanent occupation in Iraq to be an acceptable outcome?

If he does consider such an outcome acceptable. Don’t you think it is reasonable to ask him his opinion on the statment made by Colin Powel that the next president must remove at least some troops? Don’t you think it is reasonable to assume that McCain should show us his plans and contingencies regarding the more than possible chance of the army breaking, or showing us how he knows that it will not break? Is it out of context to think that he should address the fact that Afghanistan is now becoming more of a threat once again. This of course placing more stress on the Army. Are you satisfied with Mr McCain’s ideas addressing such issue? It seems that BTH is still concerned. Did I take anything out of context? Am I guilty of any fallacies?

This book doucments the obvious reasons our occupation of Iraq was bound to fail. The Iraqis don’t want us there. Most peoples don’t appreciate occupying armies.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/82551/

I am reading it now. It is excellent.

A shorter summary of the book:

http://www.powells.com/biblio/9781582434032?&PID=32513

Did I take anything out of context? Am I guilty of any fallacies?

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Well, you are going way beyond the scope of the subject discussion there LLVET. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. Take out of what context? I don’t know where you got your information. But as a general rule, if you are not twisting words and meanings, then the answer is “no”.

Fallacies? Possibly.

I’ll try to let you know if I see any.

LLTVT,

“I think it is horrible that Ali Hussein had to die. He was an innocent boy. But please try not to give idiots like John Hagee any more ammunition.”

Fair enough. But professional nutcases like Hagee, and the rageaholic, victim-complex right, will go on their rampages regardless of what I do or don’t say. They are the authors of their actions, not me.

Although I certainly do agree that the bleating and whining right-wing din is pretty damn unbearable. But if they’re going to support this continued murderous rampage, they can expect to see the results of their handiwork.

And of course, the worst thing is that I killed that little child–through MY tax monies–every bit as much as the racist Wingnut haters who have a hard-on for killing brown-skinned folks.

Your probably right CF2K. I was just trying to be Ironic about the fact that the boy’s name was Hussein. I was trying to show the Irony of the boy’s last name being Hussein automatically invalidating your point amoung idiots like Hagee. It was bad form on my part. I’m sorry.

outlander, I don’t have much patience for skating. If BTH were guilty of any type of lie about McCain, it would be taking McCain out of context. Or did you skip over that part? I am certain that I didnt take McCain out of context. Since I didn’t, and you can’t complain to me about doing so, would you mind responding to my reasonable questions?

I guess only Nathaniel can hnestlt tell us the truth of that matter box lock.. I didnt see anything sexual in Monkey’s earlier post on that matter

Jesus, Boxlock. Get apoplectic much?

And look at this–the International Longshore Workers have shut down all ports up and down the West Coast!

“More than 25,000 longshore workers at 29 west coast ports are exercising their First Amendment rights today by taking a day off work and calling for an end to the war in Iraq.
“Longshore workers are standing-down on the job and standing up for America,” said ILWU International President Bob McEllrath. “We’re supporting the troops and telling politicians in Washington that it’s time to end the war in Iraq.”

http://www.ilwu.org/press/2008/upload/ILWU_MayDayrls_FINAL.pdf

HAPPY F*CKIN’ MAY DAY, WINGNUT WAR WHORES.

Jesus–this just gets better and better.

“Big foreign corporations that control global shipping aren’t loyal or accountable to any country,” said McEllrath. “For them it’s all about making money. But longshore workers are different. We’re loyal to America, and we won’t stand by while our country, our troops, and our economy are destroyed by a war that’s bankrupting us to the tune of 3 trillion dollars. It’s time to stand up, and we’re doing our part today.”

http://www.ilwu.org/press/2008/upload/ILWU_MayDayrls_FINAL.pdf

And in commemoration of May Day, here are the lyrics to The Internationale.

Stand up, wretched of the earth
Stand up, galley slaves of hunger
Reason thunders in its volcano
This is the eruption of the end
Of the past let us wipe the slate clean
Masses, slaves, arise, arise
The world is about to change its foundation
We are nothing, let us be all

|: This is the final struggle
Let us gather together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race :|

There are no supreme saviours
Neither God, nor Caesar, nor tribune.
Producers, let us save ourselves
Decree the common welfare
That the thief return his plunder,
That the spirit be pulled from its prison
Let us fan the forge ourselves
Strike the iron while it is hot

The state represses and the law cheats
The tax bleeds the unfortunate
No duty is imposed on the rich
‘Rights of the poor’ is a hollow phrase
Enough languishing in custody
Equality wants other laws:
No rights without obligations, it says,
And as well, no obligations without rights

Hideous in their self-glorification
Kings of the mine and rail
Have they ever done anything other
Than steal work?
Into the coffers of that lot,
What work creates has melted
In demanding that they give it back
The people wants only its due.

The kings make us drunk with their fumes,
Peace among ourselves, war to the tyrants!
Let the armies go on strike,
Guns in the air, and break ranks
If these cannibals insist
On making heroes of us,
Soon they will know our bullets
Are for our own generals

Labourers, peasants, we are
The great party of workers
The earth belongs only to men
The idle will go reside elsewhere
How much of our flesh they feed on,
But if the ravens and vultures
Disappear one of these days
The sun will still shine

|: This is the final struggle
Let us stand together, and tomorrow
The Internationale
Will be the human race :|

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale

Last update from Topeka:

HOUSE PASSES OMNIBUS BUDGET BILL
The budget bill passed on a close vote, 64 to 60. It was passed by a bi-partisan group. The Senate will be working their version beginning about 4:30 p.m. Then, once theirs is passed, the conference committee on the omnibus budget begins its work to reconcile where the two are different.

Meanwhile the House and Senate will continue to consider conference reports and the coal power plant proposal and veto. The House recessed about 4:00 p.m., after passing the budget bill and will come back at 6:00 p.m., with caucuses at 5:30. Tonight they will be debating the newest coal plant bill and, probably, taking up the veto override.

Pedant and his bumper sticker mentality.

It’s all he has poor fella.

For the frankenfood supporters : Defend this.

For those that oppose frankenfood : more ammo

For those that don’t know much about frankenfood : please please please watch at least the first 10 min of this.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/05/01/this-company-may-be-the-biggest-threat-to-your-future-health.aspx?source=nl

Thanks for posting that CF.

I love it!

The Internationale. Never heard of it CF.

Is it posted in honor of the traditional communist May Day holiday?

“The Phony Mexican Holiday?? ”

What!?!?!

It’s, it’s PHONEY???!!!

Say it ain’t so.

Darn it BlueJay~! Spoiling my holiday of Corona or dark Dos Equi and fresh limes.

That hurts.

“Welcome to the Libertarian party. Te ONLY color blind, race blind, religion blind, orientation blind party in America.”

Sollie — Those are all things that the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright’s Church and denomination believe too!!

Too bad Ron Paul doesnt share your beliefs!!

Does anyone remember, James Oliver Huberty, Charles Joseph Whitman? How about their victims? Huberty opened fire at a McDonalds with an UZI, a 9mm and a Browning Shotgun. Whitman was the first mass shooter in American History. He did this in 1966. He had, a 12 gauge shotgun, a Remington 700 with a 4x Leupold Scope, 6mm 0.35 caliber Remington Rifle M1 Carbide, .357 magnum, Galeesi-Brescia pistol, Luger Pistol, Nesco Machete, scabbard, hatchet, Ammunition box with gun cleaning kit, Camillus hunting knife scabbard, Randall knife inscrbed with name, locking pocket knife, 1′ steel rebar, hunters body bag, Channel Master 14 transistor radio, blank Robinson notebook, black paper mate pen, light green towel, 3.5 gallon jug of water, a 3.5 gallon jug of gasoline, nylon and cotton ropes as well as clothesline, 1954 Nabisco compass, Davis Hardware receipt, hammer, canteen, Binoculars, lighter fluid, lighter and box of matches, alarm clock, pipe wrench, green and white flashlight, 4c batteries, 2 rolls of tape, green duffle bag from the USMC, extension cord, grey gloves, eyeglasses, earplugs, Mennen spray deodorant, toilet paper, 12 cans of food, 2 cans of Sego Condensed milk, bread honey and spam, Planters peanuts and raisins, and sweet rolls. Between the 2 in the 2 differnet situations, 1. Whitman killed 17, and wounded 31. David Gunby, survived the initial shooting but required life-long dialysis as a result of his injuries. More than 30 years after the shooting, he announced he was quitting dialysis and died within a week. After the 1966 shooting by Whitman, Law Enforcement designed and develpoed S.W.A.T.. 2. Huberty, killed 21 and wounded 19. Again he fired 245 rounds before a sniper took him out. Both these guys as civilians had too much “fire power”. Citizens dont need this amount of “fire power”. Please consider working with the Police to reduce the available citizen “fire Power”. All their victims ranged from the age of, unborn to the 70’s. “Stop the Violence” work with the Police/Deputies/Troopers before a shoot out starts. Ask them how, that is what they are there for. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com

outlander,

Far be it from me to let a pedagogical opportunity pass. Here’s what Wikipedia has to say:

“The Internationale (L’Internationale in French) is a famous socialist, anarchist, communist, and democratic anthem and one of the most widely recognized songs in the world.

The Internationale became the anthem of international socialism. Its original French refrain is C’est la lutte finale/ Groupons-nous et demain/ L’Internationale/ Sera le genre humain. (Freely translated: “This is the final struggle/ Let us join together and tomorrow/ The Internationale/ Will be the human race.”) The Internationale has been translated into most of the world’s languages. Traditionally it is sung with the hand raised in a clenched fist salute. The Internationale is sung not only by communists but also (in many countries) by socialists or social democrats. The Chinese version was also a rallying song of the students and workers at the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale

And for your listening enjoyment, here’s Billy Bragg’s version of The Internationale:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Zk69e1Vcmvg

Here’s to a Happy May Day for all–Left, Right, and Center–and for a better tomorrow for us all.

BREAKING NEWS–

The Legislature’s attempt at a veto was defeated–even though Speaker Neufeld held the voting open for TWO HOURS.

“The coal showdown is over, and the coal forces have lost.

For about two hours this evening, the Kansas House held open its vote on a motion to override Gov. Kathleen Sebelius’ veto of a bill that would clear the way for two western Kansas coal plants. But backers of the plant were able to muster only 80 votes, four votes shy of the required two-thirds majority.

Before plunging into the override vote, the House approved a bill this evening designed to address concerns about the plants.”

“http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/601257.html”

KANSAS WINS.

May day – isn’t it also one of the days to celebrate the ‘Rites of Spring’?

bth — YES — The May Pole Dance — The Rites of Spring are naturally celebrated later in the year in Eastern Europe than in Western Europe, and in the USA…`

Ron Paul is not orientation blind

Chas,

In case you missed it, I am ignoring your brain flatulence for 72 hours.

Nah solie.

YOUR aim is feudalism.

BlueJay
Posted May 1, 2008 at 9:22 pm | Permalink</i?
National merit semifinalist and high school graduate there solie.
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You never answered the other day. Would you punish your kids for being successful in school?

Nah JR,

My aim is personal freedom and liberty for all. Missed again scooter.

“My aim is personal freedom and liberty for all.”

More like for those who can afford it.

What you ARE solie,

Among other things,

is an arrogant, self aggrandized, jerk.

Oh mighty solie is gonna ignore Chas for three days.

Get over yourself.

Ya might wanna get over your racist, crazy candidate Ron Paul too there.

I mean I’m all for lost causes but REALLY.

I didnt say any of that SOL…. I used what YOU posted the Libertarians stand for, to point out to your small brain, that those are also things Rev. Wright, and Trinity UCC stand for…. ARE YOU TOTALLY BRAIN DEAD?? CAN YOU NOT READ??? DO YOU CONSERVATIVE YAHOOS LEAVE YOUR BRAINS IN A BOX OUTSIDE THE DOOR???

GO READ WHAT I POSTED, THAT YOU POSTED, AND SHOW ME WHERE I SAID ANYTHING THAT YOU JUST NOW POSTED ABOVE…. YOU WONT FIND IT, DUMBA$$

“AIDs was invented as ethnical cleansing of African Americans”

THAT IDEA HAS BEEN AROUND FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS… I FIRST HEARD IT IN A MOSTLY WHITE GAY CONGREGATION IN IOWA!!!

Obama has grown up in black America, has Hilary?

OF COURSE RON PAUL NEVER SAID THAT… NOR DID I SAY THAT HE DID, DUMMY!! FIND WHERE I SAID THAT!!

STOP CHERRY PICKING FROM STUFF I NEVER POSTED, SOLLIE… IT SHOWS YOUR LACK OF INTEGRITY…. TRY TO STAY ON POINT!!!

AND DONT EVEN SAY ONE WORD ABOUT CAPS… PERHAPS IF I USE CAPS YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ WHAT I AM SAYING!!

CAPS ARE NOTORIOUSLY USED FOR EMPHASIS!! GET OVER IT!!

that those are also things Rev. Wright, and Trinity UCC stand for

Prove it. Caps lock optional.

“If you enjoy socialism, go to China. ”

This among other destination you suggest for me.

I’ve a suggestion for you solie.

If you are so bloody self sufficient, go get yourself an island.

The United Church of Christ has ALWAYS stood for Race Blind; Orientation Blind (First US Denomination to ordain gay/lesbian clergy, in 1977); Color blind (one of the first US Groups to ordain black clergy); Religion blind (First US Denomination to declare that the Jewish Covenant was equal to the Christian Covenant, and that proselyting of Jews was not to be done in their mission work)

Want more??? http://www.ucc.org

I know Clark — But Sol is spewing his crap here and now… Max doesnt pay attention to any posts but his own… And James?? Well, you know James is the only true authority on all things of the Blog!! ROFLMAO!!!

1. If you are so bloody self sufficient, go get yourself an island.

I quite enjoy the freedoms and liberties the constitution affords me. I am disheartened by both parties as they remove those freedoms. I am enlightened and emboldened by the candidate that advocates the return of those freedoms and liberties.

It would seem by your statements in the past that you wish the constitution be abolished such that each individual receive that which is not fair, but what is equal. That is most assuredly socialistic. Excuse me for pointing you to such a government.

Can you even attempt to think in the abstract???

Can you atempt to think?

I’ll point out to solie that “the Founders” were wealthy,white, male, land owners.

They were preserving their own unto them.

Just as solie does.

Sol, you didnt answer my hypothetical about what you would think of the government, if they had done to little white kids in Dearborn, like they did to the Black Men at Tuskegee?? And if you dont want to use Dearborn, use any other town in Michigan…

WS,

I do appreciate your points of view on me and I am flattered. I hope that most folks see me in the same light that you do.

I do feel though, that your interjections are futile. If one shares a different point of view than JR, then they are the ‘enemy’.

Please reserve your arguments for those more deserving. I merely desire the enforcement of the constitution. I am worlds away from what JR desires and therefore the ‘enemy’.

Oh the company (some) of you Obama supporters keep.

Yeah there is that little bit about “promote the general welfare”.

And I’m not speaking of welfare agencies or such.

I am speaking about all Americans looking out for one another as opposed to the “Survivor” nation we have become.

“Oh the company (some) of you Obama supporters keep”

OMG!!!!!!! The son of a bitch is actually friendly with a Republican/Libertarian! Holy Shit!!!!!

God damn, if I had only KNOWN that he was the enemy, I would have NEVER, EVER said anything in his defense.

My mistake.

Mr. Dev VB – you are a BAAAAAAD man.

That ought to make J R happy.

Blue Jay, do you really need to ask?? LOL

“I guess he and WS will be forming an alliance.”

Jeez, are we playing dodge ball on the playground now?

I pick J R – for the other team………

We will remember your better moments here WS.

I wish you well.

I hope you get well.

Chas
Posted May 1, 2008 at 10:53 pm
“The Constitution demands equality for ALL… Sol, does that make the Constitution Socialist??”

NO! The Constitution calls for EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, NOT EQUAL OUTCOME at other’s expense.
It calls for the protection of private property, which is the summation of a man’s labors, physical and intellectual, and not its theft by forced confiscation.

“ksfarmgrrl” brags –

“I’m drinking silver tequila and eating enchiladas. I have the homemade salsa ready and aging in the fridge, and I’m making another brisket and smoking chicken for tacos. Big pot o’ borracho beans and more. And I’m gonna play the Texas Tornados singing “Who were you thinking of when we were making love last night”?

Damn.

I wish you didn’t hate me.

Sounds like a hell of a party and really good food.

My only question is: Just how hard core are you?

I’m only asking because my crazy sister once gave me her recipe for frijoles with the first step:
“1. Plant a substantial crop of pinto beans.”

I mean, the tomatoes came from her garden, the onions came from her garden, the garlic came from her garden.

One Cinco de Mayo she even ground the corn meal to make tortillas!

“I miss multicultural Texas while I’m living in the land of white bread and mayo.”

Ah, but Cinco de Mayo and white bread and mayo rhyme. (sorta)

Mere coincidence?

In this case, yeah.

Did ya save the steer head for tamales?

Ya ain’t a real ‘mescan’ cook unless you make tamales from ‘head’ meat. :D

No reg, I like the heads for barbacoa tacos. Ummmm… nothing better for breakfast!

I have pals in Austin who bury the heads in coals overnight on Friday and have the barbacoa for breakfast on Saturday and Sunday.

With a little chopped serrano, cilantro, onion and a squeeze of lime…

“sell my clothes, I am goin’ to heaven!”

Except… it’s hard to get heads now, due to mad cow concerns. :( You just about have to butcher the meat yerself to get a whole head these days.

When I lived in Houston, it was illegal to drink Coronas without limes. And I still miss the Tex-Mex!