It’s hardly a good thing to confuse Buchenwald and Auschwitz, as Barack Obama did Monday in telling a story about a great-uncle, Charlie Payne, who helped liberate the former in 1945. (Auschwitz was liberated by the Soviets.) But is it a big, bad thing for his candidacy? Some Republicans jumped all over it as more evidence of his youth and inexperience. Many Americans would see it as evidence of Obama’s fatigue. People also should see it as a reminder to get a firm grasp on their family stories while World War II-era elders are still around to tell them.
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About the only significance of the episode, I can see “People also should see it as a reminder to get a firm grasp on their family stories while World War II-era elders are still around to tell them.
I wonder how many Americans know exactly where the various capms were – Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Bergen-Belson …
BTH,
You read my mind. It’s not like most Americans even know the difference.
Knowing the difference between Shia and Sunni however is rather a bigger deal, considering that we’re at war in Iraq . . .
I find more troubling Barak saying he visited 57 states and had to skip the other two…
I don’t see one death camp any differently than any other. It’s far closer to the truth than Duh-Mya will ever get.
Fatigue my butt, the man has a mental disability. Twenty years with Wright and he doesn’t recall anything.
10,000 deaths in Greensburg, 57 States, choosing former terrorists as friends, helping a known terrorist fund raiser raise funds, buying a house from a crook and then getting a discount for it,
The list goes on and on.
In the White House Obama sputters, “I thought that big red button that says “NUKE” on it was to microwave my coffee.”
He was oly misspeaking: Kinda like
“Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. “Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: ‘I meant the whole civil rights movement.’” [New York Times, 3/5/07]”
or
Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists ‘won’t work in my White House.’ “White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday — a flat declaration that lobbyists ‘won’t work in my White House’ after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions… After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying — in contrast to his written pledge — at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech.” [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07]”
“
How long before this guy gets the Dan Quayle treatment from the media?
Oh, that’s right, he’s a fringe-left Democrat who’s candidacy was created by the media.
never mind
I don’t think blaming fatigue for a mistake is helpful from a presidential candidate.
littlejohn,
Try harder, dude! Make those molehills into a MOUNTAIN. It’ll happen.
Heckler,
Yeah, Barack Obama is SUCH a media darling. Nothing like that straight-talking maverick Fly Boy who the media always has under such scrutiny.
I love the Repuke inference by which one obscure historical gaffe disqualifies one from future leadership–forever! I guess they feel burned by the “soft bigotry of low expectations” extended to George Bush with regard to truth, accuracy, and ungarbled speech.
Even if drunk, woke up in the middle of a night after a twenty mile run, while being sick with the flu I would ever say “57 states.”
The man (Osama Obama) has a serious problem with transpositioning numbers and facts.
There was so much made about an extra e on potato that Dan Quail left politics.
Lets see no one mentioned our fallen hero standing in Obamas audience. One gaffe I don’t think so. This man is an opportunists with bad speech writers.
“littlejohn,
Try harder, dude! Make those molehills into a MOUNTAIN. It’ll happen.”
Yeah, I guess lying or “misspeaking” is a trait okay in Democrats, just not Republicans.
More misstatements:
“As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care…And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage.”
The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that “The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. “
THIS for a thread?
Weak editors. Just weak.
You COULD have given us a thread about McCain’s end time embracing preachers that he wanted to endorse him before he didn’t. Or you could have given us a thread about Mike Huckabee making a joke with the NRA about assassinating Obama.
You could even have given us a thread asking just what Obama meant when he called the Republican party the party of ideas.
But this?
My grandfather helped liberate a concentration camp too. I don’t know which one off the top of my head.
CF
“one obscure historical gaffe disqualifies one from future leadership–forever!”
tell old Danny Quayle about it.
The media created Obama’s candidacy. They picked him, they anointed him. His string of gaffs and tall tales will be legend one day. Later.
littlejohn,
“Yeah, I guess lying or “misspeaking” is a trait okay in Democrats, just not Republicans.”
Get out much, dude? Because if you had, you might have, like, seen the opposite extreme these last eight years, once or twice.
And in THIS election year, how about ol’ “Straight Talk” himself, claiming to eschew lobbyists while putting them at the center of his campaign?
If candidates lie or exaggerate, they should be corrected. Duh. But your grasping at straws to create this narrative regarding Obama looks like, well, grasping at straws.
But we can’t begrudge you that, littlejohn. Straws are all the GOP’s got this year.
“For the third time in two days, the Arizona Republican has pushed the definitively false statement that the terrorist group Al-Qaeda was getting assistance from Iran, even though he was publicly ridiculed for the same false assertion on Tuesday. ”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/19/mccain-repeats-iranal-qa_n_92349.html
Remember folks, McCain wants to start a war with this country…
My Grandfather died in a concentration camp.
He fell out of the guard tower!
Thank you thank you
I’ll be here all week.
“We continue to be concerned about Iranian taking Al Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back,’’ Mr. McCain said at the news conference. Asked about that statement, Mr. McCain said: “Well, it’s common knowledge and has been reported in the media that Al Qaeda is going back into Iran and receiving training and are coming back into Iraq from Iran. That’s well known. And it’s unfortunate.”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/18/mccain-misspeaks-on-iran-al-qaeda/
Well isn’t it well known?
“But we can’t begrudge you that, littlejohn. Straws are all the GOP’s got this year.”
sorry dude, I am supporting Obams. Guess you haven;t seen my plenty of posts stating so.
ANd,
my posts stating that the White House and both houses of Congress will be held by Democrats.
I guess I just don;t follow the mindset of some:
“Follow your leader, pay no attention to what he says or does.”
AND
I think BUsh is an idiot, and his 8 years in office have been a disaster. I have state that too, but I guess I pointed out something about your hero, so you had to attack. That’s okay. Lots of people do it.
How about a thread discussing how and why it is Obama heaps praise on Ronald sellout Reagan?
McCain, unfortunately, is not presidential material. Period. He will not get my vote. My former position was that if Obama got the Democratic nod, I would vote for Obama. If Clinton got the Democratic nod, I would vote for McCain. That has changed. I will never vote for McCain. If CLinton gets the nod, I have no idea what I will do.
“Get out much, dude? Because if you had, you might have, like, seen the opposite extreme these last eight years, once or twice”
Sure, that’s one reason the Repoublican party is falling flat, and has caused a lot of damage. Doesn;t mean the opposite side should take the same track.
Heckler,
Bullshit. The voters of Iowa created Barack Obama’s candidacy. Or do they not matter?
I see that you Wingnuts have your victim hats on today: “Barack Obama gets away with the same thing that Dan Quayle did not! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!”
Boo-hoo. Barack Obama wasn’t born to a rich-ass family that handed the world to him on a silver platter–the Vice-Presidency included. He also knows how to make a speech, and has gotten stuff done in the offices he has held.
As for Quayle gaffes, well, here’s a few. They never get old.
“Throughout his time as Vice President, Quayle was widely ridiculed in the media and by many in the general public, in both the USA and overseas, as an intellectual lightweight.[6] For example, Quayle received the satirical Ig Nobel Prize for “demonstrating, better than anyone else, the need for science education” in 1991. Critics facetiously remarked that Quayle was a good reason for even Bush’s critics to pray for Bush’s health and that he was the only Vice President who made his President “impeachment-proof.”
Contributing greatly to the perception of Quayle’s incompetence was his tendency to make public statements which were either self-contradictory (”We don’t want to go back to tomorrow, we want to go forward”), logically redundant (”The future will be better tomorrow”), obvious (”For NASA, space is still a high priority”), geographically wrong (”I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix.”), fallacious (”It’s time for the human race to enter the solar system”),[7][8] or painfully confused and inappropriate, as when he addressed the United Negro College Fund, whose slogan is “A mind is a terrible thing to waste,” Quayle said “You take the United Negro College Fund model that what a waste it is to lose one’s mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.”[9]
As Vice President, Quayle was the first chairman of the National Space Council, a space policy body reestablished by statute in 1988. Shortly after Bush announced the Space Exploration Initiative, which included a manned landing on Mars, Quayle was asked his thoughts on sending humans to Mars. His response was stunning for the number of errors he made in just a few short sentences. “Mars is essentially in the same orbit [as earth]….Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.”[10]
His most famous blunder occurred when he corrected a student’s correct spelling of “potato” to “potatoe” at an elementary school spelling bee in Trenton, New Jersey, on June 15, 1992.[11] According to his memoirs, Quayle was uncomfortable with the version he gave, but did so because he decided to trust what he described as incorrect written materials provided by the school. He informed student William Figueroa that he had misspelled the word “potato”, when in fact Figueroa had spelled it correctly. Quayle then had Figueroa add an “e”, not only making it incorrect, but once again making himself a target with this obvious misspelling. Quayle was widely lambasted for his apparent inability to spell the word “potato.” Figueroa was a guest on Late Night with David Letterman and was asked to lead the pledge of allegiance at the 1992 Democratic National Convention. The event became a lasting part of Quayle’s reputation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle
What’s funny to me, though, is that the Repuke strategy to trivialize Barack Obama consists of comparing him to one of your own. I wonder how Dan Quayle feels, Repukes, at your throwing him under the bus?
Not nearly as bad as Hillary and her sniper
CF
“trivialize Barack Obama consists of comparing him to one of your own. I wonder how Dan Quayle feels,”
Just pointing out the different standard that is applied to the anointed.
CF if you look at the full list of Obama’s “mis-statements” he looks like a real light weight. But hey, he’s a Marxist and he’s your’s. Run with it baby.
After weeks of arduous negotiations, on April 6, 2006, a bipartisan group of senators burst out of the “President’s Room,” just off the Senate chamber, with a deal on new immigration policy.
As the half-dozen senators — including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) — headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: “Hey, guys, can I come along?” And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate — a list that included himself..
“I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who’ve actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out,” he said..
To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them..
That wasn’t a “misstatement,” an exaggeration, or anything like it. Obama plain-out tried to attract media attention for himself for an accomplishment he had not even contributed to
Dan Quayle is so last week.
littlejohn,
While the last bastion of Republican scoundrels often consists of identifying themselves as “Independents,” you appear to be the real deal. I will bear that in mind when posting.
As for Barack Obama’s statements, they should, of course, be held to the standards of accuracy and fairness. I don’t think Democrats should get a pass just because they are Democrats.
But neither do I approve of selectively re-invoking media criteria of truthfulness that have been moribund for the eight years Republicans have been in power. What we’re seeing now is a return to what some have called “Clinton Rules,” in which the media collectively challenges Democratic Presidential candidates in ways they never would DREAM of challenging Republicans.
That we’re now seeing this return, in the form of media news cycles devoted to Obama’s “veracity” or “character” is the sign of a media anxious to cover over its role in enabling two stolen Presidential elections, a disastrous war in Iraq, and the grave threat to our civil liberties that is the “War on Terror.” Now that the cow has left, they want to be seen as closing the “due diligence” barn door–if you’ll forgive my mixed metaphor.
So I hope you’ll permit me, littlejohn, my tremendous suspicions over the re-assertion, with respect to Democrats, of criteria for truthfulness that have been treated as *quaint* by the media and the current “Administration.”
Heckler,
And if you listen to him speak you can see that he isn’t a sock puppet with the hand of someone else (George H.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove) up his ass–which is more than you can say for Quayle or Dubya.
CF
When I see him speak I hear a very eloquent speaker, spewing Marxist/Progressive code words for turning the U.S. into a giant mindless collective of sheep waiting for the Mother Gubermint to wipe their ass using someone elses money.
Put on your Che shirt and be happy dude.
“So I hope you’ll permit me, littlejohn, my tremendous suspicions over the re-assertion, with respect to Democrats, of criteria for truthfulness that have been treated as *quaint* by the media and the current “Administration.””
Hey, I think suspicions are always good. Not a problem.
Heckler,
In other words, you hear what you want to hear.
I just think the durability of “Big Government” as a left-wing bugbear in your mind is funny, given how Bush has massively expanded police powers and the size of scope of Federal intrustion. And still it’s the liberals who are going to “take away your freedom.”
All I can say, Heckler, is that, odds-on, unless you’re part of that top less than 1% that owns 40% of everything, you’ll BENEFIT from whatever programs or initiative Barack Obama is able to implement. And still you carp.
Ah well. There’s no helping some people.
How can the Republicans criticize after Reagan laid down a wreath to honor the Nazi soldiers, and Bush’s grandpappy helped develop the Nazi military?
If McCain had his way Obama’s great uncle would have been denied the GI Bill.
In the interest of full disclosure, more info from Regular’s uncredited source (he probably got his snippet from the National Review:
“If it happens once or twice, you let it go,” said Sen. Christopher J. Dodd (D-Conn.), an Obama supporter. “If it becomes the mantra, then you go, ‘Wait a minute.’ ”
Immigration is a case in point for Obama, but not the only one. In 2007, after the first comprehensive immigration bill had died, the senators were back at it, and again, Obama was notably absent, staffers and senators said. At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill’s employment verification system. Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter.
“Senator Obama came in late, brought up issues that had been hashed and rehashed,” Specter recalled. “He didn’t stay long.”
Just this week, as the financial markets were roiling in the wake of the Bear Stearns collapse, Obama made another claim that was greeted with disbelief in some corners of Capitol Hill. On March 13, Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, unveiled legislative proposals to allow the Federal Housing Administration to guarantee new loans from banks willing to help homeowners in or approaching foreclosure. Obama and Clinton were in Washington for a day-long round of budget voting, but neither appeared at the housing news conference.
“At this moment, we must come together and act to address the housing crisis that set this downturn in motion and continues to eat away at the public’s confidence in the market,” Obama said. “We should pass the legislation I put forward with my colleague Chris Dodd to create meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages so that Americans facing foreclosure can keep their homes.”
Dodd did say that Obama supported the bill, as does Clinton. But he could not offer pride of authorship to the candidate he wants to see in the White House next year.
“I’ve talked to him about it at some length,” Dodd said. “When Senator Obama was there for that full day of voting, we had long conversations about it. He had excellent questions and decided to support it.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html?hpid=topnews
I’m pretty much underwhelmed, but it’s least it something more substantive that the usual campaign BS.
P.S. on my first cup o’coffee heer. . . :)
CF
“you’ll BENEFIT from whatever programs or initiative Barack Obama is able to implement. And still you carp.”
And there’s the rub CF. The real difference between you and me. I’m not looking for a BENEFIT(handout by way of someone elses money). I recognize that it’s not in my best interest or the best interest of this nation to create a huge underclass of people with their hand out to the government.
You and the JR’s of the world rant the Class Warfare rant. Not even realizing that the surest way to create a true class based society is exactly the kind of government you think will “elevate” you.
Obama lies again. That’s news?
Obama sees dead people – now THAT is news.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65449
Can Obama see dead people?
Obama began his speech yesterday stating: “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes – and I see many of them in the audience here today – our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”
Where can I order the teeshirts that say:
Obama Sees Dead People
MaxGrobnik
Posted May 29, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink
Where can I order the teeshirts that say:
Obama Sees Dead People
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I can make one up. Shows rows and rows of tombstones with voter registration cards sticking out.
World Net Daily is a comedy website where you can buy a pill that will cure your heart disease without surgery for just $0.23 per day.
It appears Obama was ad-libbing, and it came out awkward. From the prepared speech:
“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes, our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGB74D
Gee, thanks, Max: We have to remember that it’s the bullshit that really matters! Like the subject of this thread. . .
Regular
Posted May 29, 2008 at 10:59 am | Permalink
MaxGrobnik
Posted May 29, 2008 at 10:57 am | Permalink
Where can I order the teeshirts that say:
Obama Sees Dead People
————–
I can make one up. Shows rows and rows of tombstones with voter registration cards sticking out.
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PERFECT. Regular, you could make some quick cash out of this deal!
Obama sees dead people! Now that’s funny, I don;t care who you are. I don;t put that in the same line as the rest of his “misstatements” as I’ve outlined above. . Sometimes, in impromptu speaking, words come out wrong. All this is, but funny nonetheles.
Obama makes another stupid comment and WS Hussein Obama Clark defends Obamania by attacking the news Source!
What Rage, Obama’s web site lists a different speech then he actually gave?
Another Obama Lie!
“by attacking the news Source!”
What “news” source?
Heh, actually, it is funny, lj!
Heckler:
These projects produce wealth, they bring industry, they bring jobs, and the wealth they bring brings wealth to other sections of the United States. This State had about 200,000 cars in 1929. It has a million cars now. They weren’t built in this State. They were built in Detroit. As this State’s income rises, so does the income of Michigan. As the income of Michigan rises, so does the income of the United States. A rising tide lifts all the boats and as Arkansas becomes more prosperous so does the United States and as this section declines so does the United States. So I regard this as an investment by the people of the United States in the United States.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=9455
John F. Kennedy, explaining why government expeditures, done correctly, benefit all of us. But of course, the anti-”socialism” meme is much more important, ain’t it?
P.S. That quote has since been misrepresented as a defense of tax cuts. . .
From Rage’s link, also in Kennedy’s speech:
“So those are some of the reasons why I am here today. But the most significant reason is, of course, because of your distinguished Congressman who is chairman of the most influential committee, the Ways and Means Committee of the House, which just 10 days ago passed through by an overwhelming vote a tax reform and reduction bill which I think can do much for this State and other States in maintaining its steadily expanding economy.”
So. Max? Does that somehow refute the rest?
Talk about grasping for straws!
Oh, and note that Kennedy was not giving credit to Washington for the productivity of Detroit in building cars.
Kennedy was applauding a public Dam project in Arkanasas.
Big Dam Deal.
—————————-> The Point
—————->Max’s Head
Now, as for Obama’s plan…..
Hope
Change
hope
change
h o p e
c h a n g e
h…………………
Obama began his speech yesterday stating: “On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes – and I see many of them in the audience here today – our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”
What is Obama’s sense of patriotism?
“God D*m America”?
Is THAT Obama’s sense of Patriotism?
When did Barack Obama say “God Damn America?”
When did Obama object to “God Damn America” being said in his church?
20 years ago?
15 years ago?
10 years ago?
5 years ago?
1 year ago?
1 month ago?
“When did Obama object to “God Damn America” being said in his church?”
Point One, Obama wasn’t at the service where Rev. Wright was videoed making the “God Damn America” statement.
Point Two, it is highly likely (!) that Rev. Wright did not deliver the same sermon for twenty years.
Point Three, Rev. Wright is a Marine veteran, hardly an unpatriotic status. His words, while extreme and ill advised, were in the context of American racism.
The guy stands up in front of cameras and microphones for 16 hours days, seven days a week, and this is all you got–
Auswitz instead of Buchenwald.
57 states instead of 47.
Fallen heroes, some of whom are here today [meaning the heroes who've served, obviously not dead people].
Three slips of the tongue signifying nothing except that language is complex and given enough time, everyone makes errors.
The man most people consider the greatest writer in English, William Shakespeare, made plenty of errors, as any close reading will show.
Correct, Clark.
And it’s also entirely possible that Wright’s message has changed over the years.
I’m a lot more p—ed off now than I was 20 years ago too.
Mainly because I’ve seen how the idealism of the American freedom has been co-opted to serve the profits of the rich and powerful.
co-opted to serve the profits of the rich and powerful.
Always the eeeeevil rich with you. Why don’t you try to pass a death sentence law for people who are successful Capn. Seems to be the only thing that would make you happy.
But then where would all the money for your handout programs come from. By gosh people may actually have to work HARD! But don’t become successful. We all know what that brings.
I wholly agree that nothing Obama says should be taken seriously and continously checked for accuracy. What a person to put into the greatest position of power in our country!! By the way, was Uncle Charlie a “typical white person” or a “gun hugging God Nut”??
Sol–
Was there a point or was it pure venting and nothing more?
All I could see was the latter.
Just pointing out how every day you point the finger at the eeeeevil rich for the nation’s woes. How taking from them and giving to someone else would save the world. Pie in the sky socialist ranting. Non stop.
How taking from them and giving to someone else would save the world.
Except the Capn has never advocated that. Not once.
I guess it sounds good, though.
Except the Capn has never advocated that. Not once.
LMFAO !!!!!
BlueJay posted May 29, 2008 at 9:38 am
“You could even have given us a thread asking just what Obama meant when he called the Republican party the party of ideas.”
BlueJay could ask Daniel Patrick Moynihan, if he hadn’t passed away.
‘Is There Life After Disaster?’
Monday, Nov. 17, 1980
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,950488-4,00.html
Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York wrote tellingly last summer:
“Of a sudden, the G.O.P. has become a party of ideas.”
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The right-wing set up think(sic)-tanks to produce “ideas”.
The right-wing set up media outlets (Murdoch’s Fox, Rev. Moon’s ‘Washington Times’, etc) to spread those “ideas”.
You can also get those right-wing “ideas” today, on shows like PBS’ Jim Lehrer ‘Newshour’.
And contrary to what Senator Clinton implied, “ideas” does not mean “good ideas”. It just means “ideas”.
WS
Yes, Pastor Wright is a former Marine.
So am I.
So was Lee Harvey Oswald.
It is helpful to know such things, sometimes.
It is not enough, however.
Obama is an idiot.
Obama can NOT speak without a teleprompter:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MWZjY2YzZWVkMjdkMDEzMGQ0MjJkNTUyN2FkNmMzYTc
Obama does not even seem to understand that HIS state, Illinois, BORDERS Kentucky!!
cosmos
And it was Senator Clinton that got Obama to qualify and better explain his statement that “the GOP was the party of ideas for a pretty long time” by prompting to add the adjective “bad”.
It was also Senator Clinton and in that same debate got Obama to denounce Louis Farrakan.
Geez where IS Obama without Hillary Clinton either holding his hand or making him fight?
BlueJay…
Actually, Obama defended himself from Clinton’s false attack that he “really liked the ideas of the Republicans” .
And both Clintons have praised Reagan.
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