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Right on cue – another Obama-bash to pair with a Clinton-bash. How about some McCain-bashes to equalize things? After all, isn’t this the “LIBERAL” media?

spy vs. spy, dog eat dog, black vs. white and it appears…

Democrat vs. Democrat

(chortles)

“Catholic priest claims that Hillary Clinton cried before the New Hampshire primary because she felt “entitled” because she is white “and there’s a black man stealing my show.” ”

So, now we know that ALL CATHOLICS THINK THIS WAY!

/sarcasm off

Maggot this time the pastor is white, has a loose conection in that he was president of a Obama fan club but recently resigned from it. Obama was not there and the preacher was a guest pastor recently. But hey next week the news will break that once a whore visited the church. No one knew that she was a whore. But just because Obama does not know it does not mean its not a weapon to be used.

To be fair, I understand that McCain has heard of Hitler. Maybe the media should investigate that too.

It’s amazing you can breathe at all, “Regular” –

What with your head in the sand.

Discuss it with President Tom Dewey.

I never knew Catholic priests talked like that! I thought they were more studious, tuned to the disclipines of Jesuit/Dominican thought to preach or explain the gospels and classical comments, not holy rollerin’. I’ve been taught by 3 orders within the Church and never, never heard or saw such a performance and certainly not from a pastoral vocation. Wow

Oh LOOK.

ANOTHER problem fell out of Obama’s closet.

He spent 20 years in a church that attracts a NUMBER of ranting lunatics.

And we didn’t even begin to know this about him until way after super Tuesday.

What else don’t we know?

Even if you are really for Obama, I think you have to be a little uneasy about how a candidate could fly so long under the radar. It isn’t healthy.

You seem confused cosmos. This thread is about Obama and his continued unveiling.

You are unnerved aren’t you? That a candidate could go so far while being known so little?

I sure hope so.

Senator Clinton on the other hand is probably the most scrutinied candidate in history.

BlueJay,

I am not “unnerved”.

I don’t hold a member of a church responsible for the sermon of an invited pastor.

I believe that there have been many changes in the world, and probably in that church, during the past 20 years.

And I have no problem with Obama knowing Ayers, who is a respected member of the community.

I’m just curious about why Clinton’s depositition was delayed until after the elections, but the others are being deposed now.

THEY HATE WHITIE! PERIOD, END OF STORY, THAT’S ALL FOLKS! Look, these are Black Chicago Democrates, I KNOW THEM! I’M FROM THERE! They are absolutely no good, they are reverse racist marxist.

Did Obama really think that people wouldn’t find out his true colors? This is a move on America!, Or should I say against America. This is a race war! They are coming for us, and they want blood! Who knows, maybe we deserve it. Either way, it’s true!

The amazing thing is that he will win. Most white people I know are not racist, and many will vote for him just to prove how not racist they are, even when the truth is staring them right in the race.

“This is a race war!”

No wonder the possibility of assasination has been raised.

writerdog – “the Democrats are thrown into a spin and before they are able to recover”

That is what happened in 1968 and again in 1980.

I really don’t care if the next president is the woman or the black guy, just so long as it isn’t McSame-old McSame-old.

American
Posted May 30, 2008 at 8:46 pm | Permalink
“Obana’s Communist Mentor
By Cliff Kincaid
Feb. 18, 2008

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama’s life as a “secret smoker” and how he “went to great lengths to conceal the habit.” But what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a “hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

This is an interesting article that should be read in it’s entirety. Like Cliff Kincaid, when I read Obama’s Dreams from my Father I was wondering why he only mentioned the first name of his friend and mentor “Frank.” Turns out that this was being deceptive, such as when he claimed that his mother had been a Christian.

While Obama is most probably not a communist, there are a lot of Marxist links in his past and present. Malcolm X, an admirer of Lenin and Stalin, was someone Obama says he identified with as a young man. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Liberation Theology has Marxist overtones. Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga is the son of a communist, named his son after Fidel Castro and was educated in East Germany. Several Central American communist leaders received their political indoctrination in East Germany as well, before returning to their native countries. Obama has written that he gravitated towards Marxist professors in College. At some point you have to wonder if Obama has an underlying socialist mindset, and how that would manifest itself in an Obama administration.

Early on I could smell Marxist overtones in Obama’s statements and in those from his church and circle of friends. A lot of what I’ve presented at Too Hot came initially from simply googling “Obama Marxism.” I got very few hits at first, but they are expanding rapidly. One has to wonder how that will play with voters in the Fall, if he makes it that far. For that reason he might be the easier opponent for Republicans in the Fall, contrary to conventional wisdom.

To be fair, it’s entirely possible that Obama was once attracted to Marxist thought and has since rejected it. His socialist Global Poverty Act might tend to disuade some from that opinion. Having Paul Volker advising him on economic issues is encouraging. “

American
Posted May 30, 2008 at 8:56 pm | Permalink
With Obama, it’s the Communism, Stupid

http://www.aim.org/aim-column/with-obama-its-the-communism-stupid/

AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | April 23, 2008

Obama admitted to exchanging ideas with Ayers on an irregular basis but did not say what those ideas were.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to deflect a question about his relationship with terrorist Bill Ayers by saying that he “engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8-years-old” and that he was now a professor and a neighbor. The real issue is whether Obama shares Ayers’ communist views. Obama admitted to exchanging ideas with Ayers on an irregular basis but did not say what those ideas were. But we know that Ayers, rather than just being a 1960s “radical,” was a member of a Marxist-Leninist communist group.

The Weather Underground, or Weathermen, wasn’t just home-grown and domestic in nature, although it had evolved from the so-called Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), which laid siege to college campuses and tried to take over administration buildings. Their openly proclaimed goal was world communism and they had links to hostile foreign powers.

“We’re revolutionary communists,” Ayers himself said in 1969.

The FBI said that the Weather Underground had more contacts abroad than the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA.

Which brings up another so far unmentionable aspect of Obama’s background?the role of his childhood mentor, Communist Party member Frank Marshall Davis. This is the hard-core Soviet apologist who filled Obama’s head full of anti-American thoughts at a tender age.

About Ayers, Obama said that he’s not somebody he exchanges ideas with “on a regular basis.” What ideas? And does that mean he communicates with him on an occasional basis? We need more questions and answers.

But in a posting on the far-left Huffington Post website, Ayers’ brother, Rick Ayers, accused Senator Hillary Clinton of McCarthyism for daring to comment on Obama’s ties to this communist terrorist when the subject came up in the April 16 Democratic presidential debate. Such a charge of “McCarthyism” is designed to intimidate not only Clinton but the media.

Does the phony charge of “McCarthyism” prevent the media from exploring the more critical issue of Frank Marshall Davis’s influence on Obama?

The Davis connection is essential to understanding why Obama would exchange any ideas at all with Ayers. At this point in his life, after he had moved from Hawaii, where he listened to Davis’s Marxist “poetry” and anti-American and pro-Soviet rants, Obama was receptive to the kinds of “ideas” that Ayers would offer to him. The media should demand to know what those ideas were.

The False Veneer

Obama has been clever to appear bipartisan and moderate, despite a very liberal voting record. He let his guard down in a big way when he not only endorsed but sponsored the Global Poverty Act, funneling a massive amount of foreign aid (by one informed estimate $845 billion) to Africa and the rest of the world, perhaps as partial reparations for slavery. It is curious that Obama doesn’t talk about this bill, which is on the verge of Senate passage, and it is strange that the major media don’t mention it, either. It is a potential budget buster that sheds light on Obama’s worldview.

The “exchange” of views with Ayers and others of his ilk may also shed light on what Obama might do in other areas, such as the critical field of education, where the federal government has assumed a larger role. It turns out that Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, another former communist terrorist, are now specializing in the education and the raising of young people. They even have a book coming out on the subject.

Obama himself seems to have some strange ideas on child-rearing, having brought his young children to hear Sunday sermons from a pastor, Jeremiah Wright, who has exhibited anti-American and anti-white tendencies and sentiments.

The Foreign Connection

For his part, Ayers wasn’t just a terrorist; he was a communist terrorist aligned with and manipulated by Moscow’s communist apparatus, operating through Cuba, against the United States. Many members of the group traveled to Cuba, sometimes to meet with the Vietnamese communists, and others went directly to Hanoi, North Vietnam. One of their stated objectives was to prevent the U.S. from stopping a communist takeover of Vietnam. They succeeded, with the acquiescence of a liberal Congress, which cut off U.S. aid to the South Vietnamese government, and more than 58,000 American soldiers died in vain.

Senator John McCain was an American prisoner of war being tortured by the North Vietnamese communists while Ayers and his comrades were giving aid and comfort to McCain’s torturers.

The FBI was desperate to apprehend Ayers and his comrades because they were operating with foreign support and direction and the dozens of bombings they carried out between 1969 and 1975 did an estimated $100 million in damage. A policeman had been killed in San Francisco by a bomb planted by the Weather Underground at a police station. Seven others were injured. Eight were injured in the Weather Underground bombing of the New York City police department. Fifty-nine policemen were injured in a riot the Weather Underground promoted in Chicago.

If anything, ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos was too timid in his questioning of Obama during the April 16 debate. Here’s how Stephanopoulos put it:

A gentleman named William Ayers, he was part of the Weather Underground in the 1970s. They bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol and other buildings. He’s never apologized for that. And in fact, on 9/11, he was quoted in the New York Times, saying, ‘I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.’ An early organizing meeting for your state senate campaign was held at his house and your campaign has said you were ‘friendly.’ Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?”

A “gentleman” named Bill Ayers? The only reason he’s not in prison today is because the FBI employed allegedly illegal break-ins as part of their search for members of the group. FBI officials thought the break-ins were justified on national security grounds but terrorist lawyers would have had any charges against them thrown out.

Some of the terrorists, of course, did go to prison. Kathy Boudin went to prison for her involvement in an October 20, 1981, armed terrorist assault that left Nyack, New York Police Sgt. Edward O’Grady, Patrolman Waverly Brown and Brinks guard Peter Paige dead. A website, memorial and scholarship have been created in their honor.

David Gilbert also went to prison for his role in that assault. He co-authored the SDS booklet, “U.S. Imperialism,” whose first page includes a quote from the Communist Manifesto. He wrote the book, No Surrender: Writings from an anti-imperialist political prisoner, which includes an endorsement on the back cover from Ward Churchill, the disgraced college professor who achieved notoriety for comparing 9/11 victims to Nazis.

Other titles from the “SDS lit list” of June of 1969 included, Which Side Are You On? US History in Perspective, Cuba vs U.S Imperialism, and Cultural Revolution in China. SDS literature regularly referred to police as “pigs.”

Hillary Clinton, during the debate in which the subject of Ayers came up, meekly noted that Obama “served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.” Notice how Senator Clinton referred to “Mr. Ayers,” after Stephanopoulos had called him a “gentleman.”

In rebuttal, Obama noted that “President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago.”

So both of them have something to answer for. And so does George Soros.

The Soros Connection

One of the terrorists pardoned by Clinton was Linda Evans, who became a “Soros Justice Fellow,” named after the controversial left-wing billionaire, George Soros, who spent millions of dollars to defeat President Bush in 2004. She was given a Soros grant to “increase civic participation of former prisoners.”

This is the same Linda Evans, according to an FBI report, who said that during a trip to Hanoi in 1969 she was shown an anti-aircraft gun, cradled it in her arms, and “wished an American plane would fly over.”

For her part, Dohrn in 2004 was advertised as a featured speaker at the Baltimore branch of the Open Society Institute, a group funded by Soros. Her topic was discipline in schools.

You can see what they have in mind for America’s youth in how Chesa Boudin turned out. He was raised by Dohrn and Ayers because his real parents, Weather Underground members Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, had gone to prison. Chesa Boudin, who went to Yale, where he was a leader of the Yale Coalition for Peace, was selected as a Rhodes Scholar and is a big fan of “The Venezuelan Revolution,” which just happens to be in the title of a book that he co-authored that is sympathetic to the brand of communism being promoted by Hugo Chavez. He reportedly lived in Venezuela so he could support the Chavez government. “To our fathers and mothers, who brought politics to our lives,” says the acknowledgements. They sure did.

Chesa Boudin is also an editor of “Letters From Young Activists,” a 2005 book about a new “movement” for “progressive social change” that includes a preface from Bernardine Dohrn, who praises the “young militants” for trying to change the world. The book includes an endorsement from convicted cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal and gives thanks to “lifelong activist and educator Bill Ayers.”

“Dear Dad,” writes Chesa Boudin in a letter published in the book. He tells his father, convicted and incarcerated terrorist David Gilbert, that “Che Guevara would have described your revolutionary spirit as guided by love.”

It turns out that Bill Ayers’ brother, Rick, who accused Hillary of McCarthyism, is also an “educator.” He was a teacher at Berkeley High School, where he developed a program that sent students to foreign countries like Cuba and Mexico to learn about “social justice.” The author of a book about teenage slang, he has teamed up with his brother and Bernardine Dohrn to edit the forthcoming book, Zero Tolerance, advertised as an argument against using tough discipline in schools.

Apparently, school officials are just supposed to let student troublemakers have the run of the place, like the SDS tried to do on college campuses.

The Obama Youth Movement

An objective observer might conclude that Ayers, Dohrn and their comrades are now dedicated to creating a new student and youth movement, like the one they participated in which eventually developed into a full-blown terrorist organization that killed our fellow citizens and tried to eliminate the “Thin Blue Line” of police separating us from the criminals.

In this new crusade, they not only have an inspiring leader, Barack Obama, who attracts young people with his promise of “change,” but a moneybags named Soros, who has funded causes such as rights for convicted felons and legalization of dope.

“I have very high regard for Hillary Clinton, but I think Obama has the charisma and the vision to radically reorient America in the world,” Soros recently told Judy Woodruff of Bloomberg Television. “I think that he has shown to be a really unusual person.”

On April 8, according to Politico’s Ben Smith, Soros hosted a dinner that spawned a new group, Progressive Media USA, which plans on spending $40 million to defeat McCain’s presidential bid and ensure the election of the Democratic candidate, which Soros hopes will be Obama.

After Hillary’s attack over Ayers backfired and led to charges of McCarthyism, Senator John McCain brought it up, noting on ABC’s “This Week” program that Ayers was an “unrepentant terrorist.” At the same time, McCain said he would not question Obama’s patriotism.

But the patriotism of Frank Marshall Davis can certainly be questioned. And Obama should be asked why he referred to this pro-Soviet communist in his book only as “Frank.”

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Cliff Kincaid is the Editor of the AIM Report and can be reached at cliff.kincaid@aim.org

American
Posted May 30, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink
Tuesday, April 8, 2008

Obama’s Ties to Communism, Hamas and Terrorism

wordsandwar.com/2008/04/08/obamas-ties-to-communism-hamas-and-terrorism/

Author: Mordecai

Every page of Barack Hussein Obama’s life contains links to militant Muslims, hard core communists, virulent Antisemites, terrorists and their enablers, and good old fashioned political crooks. Liberals may argue that each of these relationships does not reflect Obama’s “real thinking”, but only the incurably insane would hold that as a package they do not mirror his ideology and illuminate his character.

Not counting the communist professors he sought out in college and his Stalinist wife, the people Obama admires and hopes to emulate are his father (posthumously), his pastor, and his friend, the terrorist.

OBAMA HID HIS FATHER’S COMMUNIST ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS

There’s a big mystery at the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance. What was Barack Obama doing seeking out Marxist professors in college? Why did Obama choose a Communist Party USA member as his socio- political counselor in high school? Why was he spending his time studying neocolonialism and the writings of Frantz Fanon, the pro-violence author of “the Communist Manifesto of neocolonialsm”, in college? Why did he take time out from his studies at Columbia to attend socialist conferences at Cooper Union?

And there is more mystery in the book. Why does Obama consider working in a consulting house for international business like being “a spy behind enemy lines?” Why does he repeatedly find it so hard to explain his political views to others? Why was he driven to become a left-aligned political organizer? It’s a question Obama again and again can’t seem to answer to the satisfaction of the interlocutors in his own memoir.

If there is a mystery at the heart of Barack Obama’s Dreams From My Father, one thing is not left a mystery, the fact that Barack Obama organized his life on the ideals given to him by his Kenyan father. Obama tells us, “All of my life, I carried a single image of my father, one that I .. tried to take as my own.” (p. 220) And what was that image? It was “the father of my dreams, the man in my mother’s stories, full of high-blown ideals ..” (p. 278) What is more, Obama tells us that, “It was into my father’s image .. that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself.” And also that, “I did feel that there was something to prove .. to my father” in his efforts at political organizing. (p. 230)

So we know that his father’s ideals were a driving force in his life, but the one thing that Obama does not give us are the contents of those ideals. The closest he comes is when he tells us that his father lost his position in the government when he came into conflict with Jomo Kenyatte, the President of Kenya sometime in the mid 1960s; when he tells us that his father was imprisoned for his political views by the government just prior to the end of colonial rule; and when he tells us that the attributes of W. E. B. DuBois, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and Nelson Mandela were the ones he associated with his father and also the ones that he sought to instill in himself. (p. 220) This last group is a hodge podge, perhaps concealing as much as it reveals, in that it contains a socialist black nationalist, a Muslim black nationalist, a civil rights leader, and (at the time indicated in the memoir) an imprisoned armed revolutionary.

A bit of research at the library reveals the answers about Barack Obama’s father and his father’s convictions which Obama withholds from his readers. A first hint comes from authors E. S. Atieno Odhiambo and David William Cohen in their book The Risks of Knowledge (Ohio U. Press, 2004). On page 182 of their book they describe how Barack Obama’s father, a Harvard trained economist, attacked the economic proposals of pro-Western ‘third way” leader Tom Mboya from the socialist left, siding with communist-allied leader Oginga Odinga, in a paper Barack Obama’s father wrote for the East Africa Journal. As Odhiambo and Cohen write, “The debates [over economic policy] pitted .. Mboya against .. Oginga Odinga and radical economists Dharam Ghai and Barrack Obama, who critiqued the document for being neither African nor socialist enough.”

I have a copy of Barack Obama’s paper here in my hand, obtained from the stacks at UCLA (see the picture above). The paper is as describe by Odhiambo and Cohen, a cutting attack from the left on Tom Mboya’s historically important policy paper “African Socialism and Its Applicability to Planning in Kenya.” The author is given as “Barak H. Obama” and his paper is titled “Problems Facing Our Socialism”, published July, 1965 in the East African Journal, pp. 26-33.

Obama stakes out the following positions in his attacks on the white paper produced by Mboya’s Ministry of Economic Planning and Development:

1. Obama advocated the communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land, as part of a forced “development plan”, an important element of his attack on the government’s advocacy of private ownership, land titles, and property registration. (p. 29)

2. Obama advocated the nationalization of “European” and “Asian” owned enterprises, including hotels, with the control of these operations handed over to the “indigenous” black population. (pp. 32 -33)

3. Obama advocated dramatically increasing taxation on “the rich” even up to the 100% level, arguing that, “there is no limit to taxation if the benefits derived from public services by society measure up to the cost in taxation which they have to pay” (p. 30) and that, “Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” (p. 31)

4. Obama contrasts the ill-defined and weak-tea notion of “African Socialism” negatively with the well-defined ideology of “scientific socialism”, i.e. communism. Obama views “African Socialism” pioneers like Nkrumah, Nyerere, and Toure as having diverted only “a little” from the capitalist system. (p. 26)

5. Obama advocates an “active” rather than a “passive” program to achieve a classless society through the removal of economic disparities between black Africans and Asian and Europeans. (p. 28) “While we welcome the idea of a prevention [of class problems], we should try to cure what has slipped in .. we .. need to eliminate power structures that have been built through excessive accumulation so that not only a few individuals shall control a vast magnitude of resources as is the case now .. so long as we maintain free enterprise one cannot deny that some will accumulate more than others .. “ (pp. 29-30)

6. Obama advocates price controls on hotels and the tourist industry, so that the middle class and not only the rich can afford to come to Kenya as tourists. (p. 33)

7. Obama advocates government owned and operated “model farms” as a means of teaching modern farming techniques to farmers. (p. 33)

8. Obama strongly supports the governments assertion of a “non-aligned” status in the contest between Western nations and communist nations aligned with the Soviet Union and China. (p. 26)

So what does all this tell us about Barack Obama, the father, and how does it help us fill in the gaps and decipher Barack Obama’s Dreams For My Father?

“American”(sic),

Your posts are the reason computer mouses have scroll wheels.

Re aim.org,

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Accuracy_in_Media

Father Pfleger and his Priest buddy’s should worry less about politics and more about their in house pedophile crap
that their parishioners have know about for years but chose to be quiet

Jesus Am,
Wake up and smell the corpse. That horse you’re flogging has been dead for a long time! Nobody’s a marxist anymore.

N.Y. transit authority settles case allowing transgender restrooms
The Associated Press

Published: October 24, 2006

NEW YORK Transgender people won the right to use any restroom operated by the Metropolitan Transportation Authority in railroad and subway stations in an agreement reached with a woman who had sued the agency for the right.

Under the agreement, reached Monday, the MTA also agreed to pay Helena Stone, formerly known as Henry McGuinness, $2,000 (€1,600) in damages to pay for her legal fees, according to the Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund, which represented Stone.

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WS you obviously need more air in that bubble you live in. It’s here not just coming.

You idiot a transgendered person is a man/woman in the process of/or changing their sex. What did you think it was. So while in the process of changing he/she can use whichever restroom he/she chooses.

What is the crap about percentages?

WSClark
Posted May 30, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
Dr. (?) Dobson thinks that if a boy sees his father doing dishes, laundry, cleaning house and cooking, he might turn out gay.

Yeah, right
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Where did this information come from. Another informed opinion.

“Jed
Posted May 30, 2008 at 9:35 pm | Permalink
Jesus Am,
Wake up and smell the corpse. That horse you’re flogging has been dead for a long time! Nobody’s a marxist anymore.”

Smell the roses:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_parties

“How sad!”

Who gives a shit what YOU think, American?

WS,

Why William, I thought you did!

Guys , Guys, Guys,

Please stay above the fray and remain gentlemen.

No name calling!

It doesn’t matter if that priest is white! What he said was racist, and he is in the in crowd of the Obama circle. I’ll definately spit something at you, THE TRUTH!

BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID! I blame this whole thing on GW Bush. If he wouldn’t have been such a complete fool, we wouldn’t be in this mess!

Learn a lesson from me. A life long Republican! I suppored Bush II, but when he proved to be bad, I admited it. You dems have allowed a marxist racist to be your next nominee, now man up and admit you should have been more careful.

I love black people, to allow BHO to be the 1st black American President would be a discrace to all the hard working, tax paying black people of the world.

You see, the black race does have unique problems. Illigitimate kids, HIV, violent crime (mostly against themselves). To bury your head in the sand and pretend it’s not there because you don’t want to be racist isn’t helping black people. It’s hurting them. I’ll go as far as to say that 12% of the American population account for about 40% of our problems concerning those issues (statistically proven). And it’s become “pop culture” to try and emulate the the bad stereotypes that exist, so in theory, they account for a good chunk of all the white screw ups too.

I get the biggest kick out of the parents whose daughters drag home some corn row wearing, pants sagging, high school drop out, who just “got out of county”, unemployed African American. They all shuffle around, like someone farted, and they must pretend they didn’t notice. They don’t dare say anything, or it will be “raaaaaaaaacist.” GIVE ME A FUDGEING BREAK!

That’s not to say that all, or even a majority of black people are like that. Most are just GREAT! But the “great” ones aren’t considered cool and romantacised by our modern culture. Little Susie probably won’t bring a black guy home if he is the President of the chess club. “Shawty wanta thug…….. bottles in da club..” as the song says.

Barrack Obama = bad
Bill Cosby = good
Rev Wright = bad
Colin Powell = good
50 cent = bad
Condi Rice = good

catch my drift loser?

Howd we get onto talking about trannys? lol

Does Obama know any preachers/ministers who can speak in a modulated, dignified voice and act with a modicum of class? I don’t want to see the presidential inauguration turned into some clownish event full of jumpin’ moanin’ and shoutin’.

The only viable writings of any Marx to survive the experiences of history intact, and maintain the essence which it was first disclosed is Groucho, Harpo, Zeppo, Gummo and Chico.

Re: sourcewatch.org

SourceWatch (formerly Disinfopedia), is an internet site which is a “collaborative project” of the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinfopedia

Re: sourcewatch.org

The perspectives are mostly leftist; the entries rely heavily on leftist and far-leftist sources.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupprofile.asp?grpid=7352

Re: The Center for Media and Democracy (sourcewatch.org sponsor)

The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) is a nonprofit American-based media research group founded in 1993 by environmentalist writer and political activist John Stauber.

The Capital Research Center, a conservative organization, which rates the ideological leanings of American non-profits on a 1-8 scale it describes as “1=Radical Left and 8=Free Market Right”, gives the Center for Media and Democracy a ranking of “2″, near the left end of its scale.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Media_and_Democracy

He just did abandon that church. Is he now going to Farrakan’s Mosque? Be right up his lane.

Jack
Actually, the Catholic Church does not really have a “pedophile problem” —
Almost all of the VICTIMS of priest sex abuse have been MALE not Female.
Almost ALL of the VICTIMS of priest sex abuse have been above the age of puberty.
Technically, this is not a pedophile problem.
This is a problem of male homosexual priests having easy access to teenage males.

Also, the percentage of priests caught up in this sex abuse scandal has been very, very low.

The truth is, teachers and other people who come in contact with under-age kids have just as high, or higher, levels of sexual abuse.

The truth is, many other faiths, besides the Catholic Church, have had similar problems.

The Catholic Church is huge. Therefore, the number of cases is, likewise, large.

In percentage terms, however, sober people should realize that this sexual abuse problem exists in nearly EVERY organization that deals with juveniles.

The Catholic Church did a horrible job dealing with the problem.

The problem, however, still exists, in many other organizations that have yet to deal with it.

Franklin
Posted June 1, 2008 at 2:31 pm | Permalink
Is the rumor true?

Did Michelle Obama make a “Whitey” speech, from the pulpit of Rev. Wrights Church?
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Don’t think it’s relevant Franklin. Most Black’s that I’ve known are silent on the issue, but have their own ideas on the suppression they’ve suffered in the U.S.

I used to play a lot of basketball as a hobby when I was younger, so hung around black, hispanic, white and other races a lot. Full court, pick up basketball tends to loosen the tongue up a bit and liberaters one’s inner feelings – heh.

Anyway, I learned more about race relations than any time in my life, because people were more ‘honest’ about their opinions. Regardless of what was said on the court, when we met each other in more formal places, the conduct was professional as well as ‘normal’ adults would partake in.

I’ve also had the displeasure of being around white racists of all flavors. From those who make the occasional ignorant remark to the dangerous white supremacist type. Oh yeah regarding the latter, those nutjobs do really exist.

I do not know what it really feels like to be abused in the form of many types of racism that exists for people of color, but do know that it exists and the frustration as well as the pain must be unimagineably maddening to deal with it.

I rememeber traveling to Chicago as a young kid with my parents on a trip. I was shocked to see white and colored drinking fountains and white and colored restrooms. I asked my dad why they were there and he just said, “that’s just the way it is.”
I asked him why the same thing didn’t happen where we lived and he said, “blacks stayed to themselves where we lived.”

It took me many years to understand the implications of both. However, although the signs desinating must have been extremely painful to deal with, the covert type of racism that permeated most of the U.S., the “they stay to themselves” attitude must have been maddening and even more painful because on cannot identify it nor have a control on it that is effective.

Having grown up in an integrated society I don’t hae the full experience of segration, but still have witnessed the effects.

The segregration mindset still exists, it is subtle and it is dangerous. This mindset describes a convenient excuse for whites to categorize Blacks before they even know them. This is still a sad part of our society that will still pre-judge.

So if Michelle Obama had a ‘Whitey Speech’ in the confines of her own church, then I understand her pain and frustration.

Sometimes the truth is painful and although radical rhetoric is never fully understood by those who are flicted with the pain of racism, the message is necessary.

It’s like someone saying “aren’t you putting on a little weight” or “your language is repulsive.” No one wants to hear a critique of themselves, but who will say it?

The only thing I would advise for people of color when they make these type of speeches is not to use the same method of devisive words that were used against them as it lowers them to a substandard argument.

However, it may not be for me to say, I wasn’t the one who experienced the pain.

Franklin,

I think you are confusing hate and what is lashing back at the source of the pain.

Most arguments, especially those involving great distress or emotion are caused by someone that has been hurt. People will lash out because they have been hurt and sometimes say hurtful things themselves.

As far as the purse snatching go, these are single incidents. They can be encapsulated and dealt with because the effect is transparent. They can identify the attackers and be confident in calling them thugs, regardless of skin color.

Racism can be a subtle assailant. It peeks out windows and behind doors, categorizing and judging who people are. It quietly puts up invisible barriers preventing access and steals from your wallet because it has denied you opportunity to succeed.

It doesn’t happen once or twice, it happens daily. It happens from people you never met or will ever know. The scars it forms never go away, but re-opened on each occasion.

The purse snatchers can be arrested, tried and if found guilty convicted.

Who will convict the subtle racist? Who will point their finger and identify them? How can you identify someone who was never known?

How can we know the ‘content of their character’ if we cannot get past the color of their skin?

“Nope, if Michelle really did make a “Whitey” comment, it is serious.”

And that is a HUGE if, Rossell. That is quite the website you referenced – one of the posters claimed that Barack Obama was a past member of “Fruit of Islam.”

I thought we had more than our fair share of right wing kooks here – Osama Obama and all that – but those folks are crazy.

I will be waiting to see the proof of such a statement from Michelle Obama, but I won’t be holding my breath.