Columnist Peggy Noonan came away from former White House press secretary Scott McClellan’s book neither admiring nor liking him — which still leaves his number of defenders at zero — but believing him. “What matters is if it’s true. Let the debate on the issues commence,†Noonan wrote. “What’s needed now? More memoirs, more data, more information, more testimony. More serious books, like Doug Feith’s. More ‘this is what I saw’ and ‘this is what is true.’ Feed history.â€
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The obvious is that Bush isn’t running again. There’s not enough time left to impeach him.
Scotty’s tell-all is a yawn. Nothing new here.
McClellan while in his White House duties chastised Richard Clarke for his tell all book and said he should have quit in protest if he didn’t agree with the policies.
Sounded like good advice there Scott, why didn’t you heed your own advice?
Regular
Posted May 31, 2008 at 8:17 am
Sounded like good advice there Scott, why didn’t you heed your own advice?
Regular, I would suspect that he liked the money and the notoriety.
Somebody in a political position said one thing and did another?
Man, what a shock.
Bush’s entire presidential experience presents a great study of “The Big Lie.” Now we know, definitively, that George Bush lied. Definitively. What else did he lie about? Certainly he is reaffirming his “Worst President Ever” label. The Feith/Wolfowitz/Kristol Theory is also the “Worst Idea Ever.” George flushed himself down the toilet of history when he fell for it. The cost and consequences speak for themselves. A few more revelations of malfeasance and I wouldn’t rule out war crimes.
Now we know, definitively, that George Bush lied. Definitively
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Been hearing that for about 4 years. Chuckle… The lies about lying.
Then we have the 18 percenters, the Democratic Congress which is even worse…
Publisher: McClellan doesn’t believe Bush lied
Spokesman ‘did not intend to suggest’ the president purposely misled him.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917188/
McClellan is yet another to point at the glairing mistake, perhaps that is where the real reaction comes from.
Everyday it is said that he has said nothing new, that everyone already knew that the intelligence was corrupted. That the claim of WMDs was just a flimsy excuse for a grander motive. That the President is delusional and does not admit mistakes and can not be bothered with facts and details. This is already common knowledge and we want to ignore and get passed it much like the guy who has a wet spot in the front of his pants and hopes no one reminds him he pee his pants.
There is a lot we wish we could forget as a country, the invasion, the havoc and suffering that was a result of our actions. The list is long and like what McClellan has said is all common knowledge. The country does not need me to point to the wet spot again.
There are some things that can not be forgotten, no matter how much we may pray we could.
Bells were rung that can not be un-rung, it was WE who invaded Iraq not just the President.
That will not be forgotten with Bush finishing his last term and leaving office.
Nor will the how’s and why’s of what happen, this is not incest and happening behind closed doors
with only the immediate family members to deal with the outcome.
Clarke did not exactly leave out of choice, no more than anyone whom is handed his hat, pointed toward the door and being told “thank you for visiting!”. Clarke got on the President’s bad side for doing exactly what many are asking why McClellan did not do at the moment. Criticize, express opinion or question what he was learning.
I can believe that Bush did not know about Libby and Rowe actions in the outing of Plane. If Nixon did not know about the break in till after it had happened why would Bush have known about outing Plane?
As to the intelligence I have stated that Bush did not lie about that, he believed it despite of anything to the contrary. I do not accuse G.W. Bush of lying I accuse him of being delusional. He already knew what the information would be. He had already decided that the ouster of Saddam was the right thing to do.
There are those whom would testify that he had those thoughts before even taking office.
While I haven’t read the book and don’t intend to, I don’t think there could be any revelations contained in it that any but that moronic 28% hadn’t already spotted years ago. McClellan is just one more rat trying to abandon this particular ship of state and cover his own ass with a book. The only mystery is how it took him seven years to finally see the light.
As for the rest of this sorry administration, we the people need to extract a promise from whichever candidate we choose to honor the wishes of the World Court regarding war crimes charges to start the process of rebuilding our credibility as a nation.
We’ll have congressional hearings, with or without Karl Rove, and there will be NO shortage of witnesses to tell their stories. Bush lied his way into his Misbegotten War and his chickens will come home to roost. I’m sure that he and Rove and Cheney would like us to forgive and forget but that ain’t going to happen. We will find out the truth. Here’s an interesting theory: Bush will hand out a lot of premptive pardons in exchange for the pardonees’ silence. But he won’t silence all of them.
They ain’t got nothing…
“The obvious is that Bush isn’t running again. There’s not enough time left to impeach him.”
No but members of his vile party are running all across the land. They should pay for his crimes.
HISTORY will impeach george bush. His administration from start to end was a fraud. He had the election stolen for him and spent eight years making it obvious that he and his party are a stain on America.
He has taught us that Republicans are not simply fellow Americans who think a bit differently. They are in fact through and through evevil. And they are to exposed and opposed and reviled as the blight that they are.
Bush and his admin. will end up on the trash pile of history, top of the pile.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=170291&title=richard-clarke
I watched that one Tom, Clarke always seems so serious that it was nice to see he has a sense of humor and timing! I had not watched the “Daily show” and thought I was watching Fox and they had a new anchor.
After watching the entire show I flipped through till I finally found Fox, then after ten minutes I wondered if I was back on the daily show?
Perhaps its that to impeach would have torn this country a part, it would be easier to just let Bush finish his term and than once out. File the charges and have the trial, that or keep whistling pass the grave yard and hope it goes away. If the rest of the planet will let that happen that is.
What’s interesting is that none of the criminals in the Bush regime have denied anything Scott has said. I certainly hope he testifies before Congress so those who still respect our Constitution can begin impeachment hearings or war crimes tribunals.
George W. Bush
This is the first time we’ve had a “president” with the mind of a child. There is really nothing with which to compare him, so in that sense he’s unique.
As he says: “He’s a “decider.”
That kind of an answer belongs { along with most of his unscripted answers } in a “grade school.”
Not only is he the most powerful man in the world, but due to his immaturity, he’s also the most dangerous.
That fact has influenced oil traders to bid-up the price of crude oil, fearing an alliance between the greed of the Zionists of Israel, and the ease with which the childishness of Bush can be manipulated.
The sane world is holding its collective breath.
Ed Friedemann USA
“No but members of his vile party are running all across the land. They should pay for his crimes.
HISTORY will impeach george bush. His administration from start to end was a fraud. He had the election stolen for him and spent eight years making it obvious that he and his party are a stain on America.
He has taught us that Republicans are not simply fellow Americans who think a bit differently. They are in fact through and through evevil. And they are to exposed and opposed and reviled as the blight that they are.”
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The Emperor: [to Luke] The alliance… will die. As will your friends. Good.., I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete! Bwahhahahah!
Publisher: McClellan doesn’t believe Bush lied
Spokesman ‘did not intend to suggest’ the president purposely misled him.
Of course not5. Scotty isn’t willing to put a target on his back. It’s not fun to get “disappeared”.
I tend to agree that George W. Bush did not intentionally lie during the run-up to the war. I tend to believe this because it was quite obvious to everyone, including the blind man, that Dick Cheney was the puppet master.
But, later, when the intelligence was found to be faulty, this was when Bush could have been truthful with the American people but Bush chose to continue with the lie.
At some point in this entire fiasco, Bush did have the opportunity to set the record straight but yet chose not to. Is this called lying or just being stubborn?
Bush wanted to be a war president and he got his wish. But the sad fact is, Bush and Cheney both want war with Iran before they leave office. If this happens, God help us all.
Our military is already stretched too thin, we don’t have the billions more to pay for the Iran war and with the poor reputation that Bush has created with the rest of the world, we do not exactly have a winning coalition to go fight Iran.
We cannot change what has happened in the last 7 years with the Bush Administration, but I only hope we have learned some valuable lessons.
I can believe that Bush did not know about Libby and Rowe actions in the outing of Plane.
Which is exactly why Dubya is in office. The Neocons moved heaven and earth to make that happen. Twice. They picked a patsy to do their bidding. Clueless George. And he did and said exactly as told. Jeb would have argued. He has a tad bit more sense.
Let those who were there continue to write their books and spill some of their guts, salvaging what’s left of their own careers as they do it. Impeachment was never “on the table”. The Dems knew that would be a wasted endeavor. But Cheney and others should heed the words being written. There are countries now that will try them for International crimes if they step foot within the borders. Executive privilege only lasts so long, even in the U.S. Iran would NOT be a good idea at this point. We, the People, would not take kindly to it.
The only mystery is how it took him seven years to finally see the light.
Maybe he’s a slow writer? ::wink wink::
Apparently Scotty has a conscience. There are those who don’t.
BTW, Tom, thanks for the link to the Daily Show. I adore Richard Clarke. I think it’s his dimples.
You still don’t “get it.”
Bush has been deluded into thinking that he is managing the end-days, by fore-filling a Biblical prophecy. What Bush seems not to understand is PM Ariel Sharon said that he wanted nothing to do with the religious party { the Likuds, or right-wing of Israel are secular, they’re just using Bush to expand }.
In a way, Bush reminds me of that old movie about the “Blues Brothers.”
Maggotpunk
Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:18 pm
What’s interesting is that none of the criminals in the Bush regime have denied anything Scott has said. I certainly hope he testifies before Congress so those who still respect our Constitution can begin impeachment hearings or war crimes tribunals.
“those who still respect our Constitution”
And who exactly would you be referring to? Do you know about somebody in Congress that I don’t?
McClellan isn’t going to testify about anything to anybody. Even if he did, nothing will ever come of it. See, people in Congress may talk tough, but they aren’t going to do anything. They all have something to hide.
Nan,
Which is why Bush and Cheney are shopping for retirement homes in countries without extradition treaties?
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BlueJay
Posted May 31, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink
“The obvious is that Bush isn’t running again. There’s not enough time left to impeach him.”
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No but members of his vile party are running all across the land. They should pay for his crimes.
He has taught us that Republicans are not simply fellow Americans who think a bit differently. They are in fact through and through evevil. And they are to exposed and opposed and reviled as the blight that they are.
“They should pay for his crimes”
Now there’s a truly un-American concept. BlueJay, do you have any idea what the Constitution is about?
BlueJay, you’re an Atheist. What do you know about good or evil? I love your twisted attitude. Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is “Evevil”, or should be punished.
BlueJay = screwball
As usual, Jon Stewart nailed it on “The Daily Show” with, “This isn’t the Scott McClellan we knew! He used to lie like a motherfuc#er!”
As I pointed out in another post on another thread, just about everything McClellan (and Clarke, et al) have reported was first printed — almost in real time — by Seymour Hersh in the “New Yorker” from 2002 through… well, today.
McClellan’s relationship with Shrub goes back to Texas. He really believed George WMD Bush was gonna do a good job. Unlike most White House press secretaries, McClellan had “walk-in privileges,” which means he could walk into the Oval Office without being introduced or scheduling a private meeting with the President.
If there’s anyone who’s been betrayed by McClellan’s book, it’s Scott McClellan. Shrub wasn’t the “uniter, not a divider” he promised to be. Dumbya was overwhelmed by the power and influence the President of the United States has and was, dry-drunk that he is, intoxicated by the office.
Cheney, who had been Gerald Ford’s Chief of Staff and who ran the Defense Department, played Shrub like a harp. And Scott McClellan, who was impressed with Shrub in Texas back during the days when the Republic Party was basking in the glow of Reaganism, fell under the spell.
Like most of us who’ve had heroes who’ve fallen short of our expectations, Scott McClellan saw close-up just what an incompetent “leader” Shrub’s turned out to be.
Maybe McClellan is part of the master plan and rope-a-doping the democratic congress hoping they’ll take the bait.
working so far…
(chortles)
McCain is feeling the heat for giving the refueling tanker deal to France.
McCain outsourcing his PR Work (and its expense) to a 501(c)3 [i.e. a tax-exempt nonprofit, "Citizens Against Gov't Waste.]
I guess that tells what he thinks of Boeing, Kansas and Bush’s monkeys, the great Sens. Roberts and Brownback. You’d think they and Kansas would get better treatment after carrying water for Bush the last 7 years.
From CNN: “Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) partnered with Northrop and one of its consultants to produce a vitriolic advertising campaign defending the tanker deal.
“Rep. Jack Murtha, Mr. Porker himself, has threatened to hold up funding,” CAGW said, referring to the Pennsylvania Democrat, in an e-mail soliciting support. “Plus, there is great outcry from some in the media claiming we are turning over the Air Force to the French and giving Europe a gazillion jobs too. Nothing could be further from the truth.”
Although the campaign and the group deny any cooperation, CAGW’s willingness to jump into the tanker controversy illustrates what some experts describe as potentially improper political activity by nonprofits, an issue that is gaining attention as the presidential contest heats up.”
Where’s Todd The Tanker Tiahrt when you need him?
McClellan tells CNN he’d ‘be happy’ to testify; Perino suggests White House could block.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Conyers_mulls_hearings_over_McClellan_revelations_0530.html
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Anyone think the White House will allow him to testify?
I can envision the day the younger generation will be asking “How could anyone vote for and support such a complete moron and buffoon?” How will our bushies respond to them?
I don’t think they can stop him. But, I suspect bush will label it as vital to the ‘National Security’ that he not be allowed to testify.