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		<title>By: watkins</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-357818</link>
		<dc:creator>watkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 12:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sit down and start talking about real alternatives for meeting the base-load energy needs for westehttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/John Watkins sped in Lane Cove Tunnel AAP via Yahoo!7 NewsDeputy NSW Premier John watkins has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sit down and start talking about real alternatives for meeting the base-load energy needs for westehttp://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/John Watkins sped in Lane Cove Tunnel AAP via Yahoo!7 NewsDeputy NSW Premier John watkins has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SEMPERFIGUY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-357408</link>
		<dc:creator>SEMPERFIGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 19:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see some wealthy entrepeneurs like the guys who own google buy up these power companies, and slowely incorporate wind power as the demand rises.  It wouldn&#039;t cut back the use of fossil fuels, so those states would not be destroyed, but it would prevent us from being even more dependant on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see some wealthy entrepeneurs like the guys who own google buy up these power companies, and slowely incorporate wind power as the demand rises.  It wouldn&#8217;t cut back the use of fossil fuels, so those states would not be destroyed, but it would prevent us from being even more dependant on them.</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356729</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JWink - it gets worse.  The amount of rainfall, already small, is getting smaller.  So, desertificaton will accellerate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JWink &#8211; it gets worse.  The amount of rainfall, already small, is getting smaller.  So, desertificaton will accellerate.</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356717</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben:  Right on.  Kansas was once known as the &quot;Great American Desert&quot; until the vast Ogallala underground water aquifer was discovered lying relatively deep under the ground ... but not so deep that pumps couldn&#039;t draw it up for use as drinking water and for crop irrigation.  

I always thought it was ironic that pioneer farmers came to western Kansas and lived in mud and straw hovels with large families to try to scratch out a living from the dry soil.  I suppose it was in the 1890&#039;s or so that western Kansans realized a lot of excellent water existed deep under the surface of western and central Kansas ... and Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas.  

In fact the so-called &quot;Worlds largest hand-dug well&quot; in Greensburg, Kansas, was publicized across America in &quot;Ripley&#039;s Believe It or Not&quot; comic strip in the 1930&#039;s or 40&#039;s.  It was dug by Greensburg citizens back in the 1890&#039;s to reach the always flowing underground Ogallala water for municipal use and for the two railroads, the Santa Fe spur line and the Rock Island main line, then passing through Greensburg.  The Santa Fe spur line was pulled back to Pratt by 1900 so today only the old Chicago to California main line of the Rock Island railroad still passes through Greensburg. (Under a new name, of course.)

Even with this vast availability of water in western Kansas, it was mainly used to irrigate  sugar beets that were grown out in the vicinity of Garden City up to World War II in addition to municipal drinking water.    

But the amount of irrigated water was not enough to stop the massive and destructive dust storms in western Kansas in the mid-1930&#039;s.  My parents had the misfortune to purchase a gasoline service station in Satanta, Kansas, in 1935 to convert to a Phillips 66 station, perhaps in cooperation with Frank Phillips (I can&#039;t remember the whole story.)  But by 1936, my mother recalled the massive dust storms ended that particular venture.  She said the primary foods on the menu of a local Satanta restaurant was cabbage and turnips.  

Unfortunately, today in the 21st century BIG INDUSTRY has discovered this underground source of water and with no feelings for the future of the State of Kansas is determined to pump out  the remaining pools of Ogallala water.  

Since the Ogallala just barely recharges over hundreds and even thousands of years, Kansans will soon be left with drawing their drinking water from recycled, regurgitated sewage effluent plus salt and agricultural pollutants that are put into our surface runoff rivers such as the Arkansas River here in Wichita/river city.  

Bottled water anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben:  Right on.  Kansas was once known as the &#8220;Great American Desert&#8221; until the vast Ogallala underground water aquifer was discovered lying relatively deep under the ground &#8230; but not so deep that pumps couldn&#8217;t draw it up for use as drinking water and for crop irrigation.  </p>
<p>I always thought it was ironic that pioneer farmers came to western Kansas and lived in mud and straw hovels with large families to try to scratch out a living from the dry soil.  I suppose it was in the 1890&#8217;s or so that western Kansans realized a lot of excellent water existed deep under the surface of western and central Kansas &#8230; and Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas.  </p>
<p>In fact the so-called &#8220;Worlds largest hand-dug well&#8221; in Greensburg, Kansas, was publicized across America in &#8220;Ripley&#8217;s Believe It or Not&#8221; comic strip in the 1930&#8217;s or 40&#8217;s.  It was dug by Greensburg citizens back in the 1890&#8217;s to reach the always flowing underground Ogallala water for municipal use and for the two railroads, the Santa Fe spur line and the Rock Island main line, then passing through Greensburg.  The Santa Fe spur line was pulled back to Pratt by 1900 so today only the old Chicago to California main line of the Rock Island railroad still passes through Greensburg. (Under a new name, of course.)</p>
<p>Even with this vast availability of water in western Kansas, it was mainly used to irrigate  sugar beets that were grown out in the vicinity of Garden City up to World War II in addition to municipal drinking water.    </p>
<p>But the amount of irrigated water was not enough to stop the massive and destructive dust storms in western Kansas in the mid-1930&#8217;s.  My parents had the misfortune to purchase a gasoline service station in Satanta, Kansas, in 1935 to convert to a Phillips 66 station, perhaps in cooperation with Frank Phillips (I can&#8217;t remember the whole story.)  But by 1936, my mother recalled the massive dust storms ended that particular venture.  She said the primary foods on the menu of a local Satanta restaurant was cabbage and turnips.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, today in the 21st century BIG INDUSTRY has discovered this underground source of water and with no feelings for the future of the State of Kansas is determined to pump out  the remaining pools of Ogallala water.  </p>
<p>Since the Ogallala just barely recharges over hundreds and even thousands of years, Kansans will soon be left with drawing their drinking water from recycled, regurgitated sewage effluent plus salt and agricultural pollutants that are put into our surface runoff rivers such as the Arkansas River here in Wichita/river city.  </p>
<p>Bottled water anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: mrbill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356713</link>
		<dc:creator>mrbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just found a chart showing some very interesting info on Oil companies sizes.  We are lead to believe the nasty big oil companies are all blah, blah etc.  

Dont poo poo where the link is...the chart itself is from Credit Suisse 

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=28152841

Take a look at the link above and how piddling the ones we are familiar with compared to the STATE OWNED ones.  Exxon is a small dust bin and would be swept away if one of the biggies farted in their direction.

Im thinking Exxon WISHED they controlled the prices etc....or even could. 

This chart would make the Dems like Sen. Shumer very shaky.  Since we dont even really have a big oil company in Worldly terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found a chart showing some very interesting info on Oil companies sizes.  We are lead to believe the nasty big oil companies are all blah, blah etc.  </p>
<p>Dont poo poo where the link is&#8230;the chart itself is from Credit Suisse </p>
<p><a href="http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=28152841" rel="nofollow">http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?p=28152841</a></p>
<p>Take a look at the link above and how piddling the ones we are familiar with compared to the STATE OWNED ones.  Exxon is a small dust bin and would be swept away if one of the biggies farted in their direction.</p>
<p>Im thinking Exxon WISHED they controlled the prices etc&#8230;.or even could. </p>
<p>This chart would make the Dems like Sen. Shumer very shaky.  Since we dont even really have a big oil company in Worldly terms.</p>
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		<title>By: mrbill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356707</link>
		<dc:creator>mrbill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to build a couple of big Nukes and get a move on.  Lets start the new trend.  Apparently there are now about 9 on the drawing boards....lets get the new Pebble Beds in operation.  

Just for China to remain at a steady state they are building 4 Coal plants PER WEEK.  So they will be building over 200 each year.  Whatever little smidgin we do will be of use only to news editors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to build a couple of big Nukes and get a move on.  Lets start the new trend.  Apparently there are now about 9 on the drawing boards&#8230;.lets get the new Pebble Beds in operation.  </p>
<p>Just for China to remain at a steady state they are building 4 Coal plants PER WEEK.  So they will be building over 200 each year.  Whatever little smidgin we do will be of use only to news editors.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmos_originally</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356699</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos_originally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 18:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great site with lots of info on the coal issue, 

http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great site with lots of info on the coal issue, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.coal-is-dirty.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356670</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have said it before and I will again:  IF Sunflower has faith in their experimental microalgae then let them show it.  Buil their bienergy plant at their EXISTING Holcomb coal plant.  Develop that technology and prove the Neufeld&#039;s claims can be made true.  THEN - and ONLY then - come back with an expansion proposal.

Then we can also look at the water question.  People like George want Kansas to be a desert; others of us do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have said it before and I will again:  IF Sunflower has faith in their experimental microalgae then let them show it.  Buil their bienergy plant at their EXISTING Holcomb coal plant.  Develop that technology and prove the Neufeld&#8217;s claims can be made true.  THEN &#8211; and ONLY then &#8211; come back with an expansion proposal.</p>
<p>Then we can also look at the water question.  People like George want Kansas to be a desert; others of us do not.</p>
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		<title>By: WSClark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356614</link>
		<dc:creator>WSClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 15:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George never lets facts or proper grammar to get in the way of a &quot;good&quot; story.</description>
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		<title>By: Nano</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356609</link>
		<dc:creator>Nano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 15:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>george
Posted May 25, 2008 at 8:15 am &#124; Permalink

I think Kathy and Rod has done a diservice to our state in denying cleaner coal energy. We won’t need to have so called emmissions control, if there is no Kansas in the future.

George, it&#039;s &quot;HAVE done a DISSERVICE&quot;. That would address your remark about living in a backward state. 

George, where do you think the power the 2 new power plants will generate will go?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>george<br />
Posted May 25, 2008 at 8:15 am | Permalink</p>
<p>I think Kathy and Rod has done a diservice to our state in denying cleaner coal energy. We won’t need to have so called emmissions control, if there is no Kansas in the future.</p>
<p>George, it&#8217;s &#8220;HAVE done a DISSERVICE&#8221;. That would address your remark about living in a backward state. </p>
<p>George, where do you think the power the 2 new power plants will generate will go?</p>
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		<title>By: JWink</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356533</link>
		<dc:creator>JWink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is a conversation should be held with all companies engaged in production of electric power and natural gas in Kansas.  And if Earl Watkins, Sunflower president/CEO doesn&#039;t want to help find a solution that considers the Kansas environment, he should be told to move on.  I think this is not without precedent.  

This whole issue of energy production in a positive environmental way is perhaps one of the most important issues facing Kansas.  It can&#039;t be left to a few of the unwashed like Watkins, Neufeld, and others who appear to not care about the future well-being of Kansas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is a conversation should be held with all companies engaged in production of electric power and natural gas in Kansas.  And if Earl Watkins, Sunflower president/CEO doesn&#8217;t want to help find a solution that considers the Kansas environment, he should be told to move on.  I think this is not without precedent.  </p>
<p>This whole issue of energy production in a positive environmental way is perhaps one of the most important issues facing Kansas.  It can&#8217;t be left to a few of the unwashed like Watkins, Neufeld, and others who appear to not care about the future well-being of Kansas.</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/governor-sunflower-should-talk-alternatives/#comment-356527</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 13:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kathy and Rod has done a diservice to our state in denying cleaner coal energy. We won&#039;t need to have so called emmissions control, if there is no Kansas in the future. Why live in a backward state? However, I like Podunk Ks.but believe we need more energy for our future and less regulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kathy and Rod has done a diservice to our state in denying cleaner coal energy. We won&#8217;t need to have so called emmissions control, if there is no Kansas in the future. Why live in a backward state? However, I like Podunk Ks.but believe we need more energy for our future and less regulation.</p>
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