Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich saw more than a loss for his team in last weekend’s special congressional election in Louisiana, where a district went Democratic for the first time in 33 years: “Either congressional Republicans are going to chart a bold course of real change or they are going to suffer decisive losses this November,” he wrote for Human Events. Gingrich sees John McCain’s strength in opinion polls as “a sign of the gap between the McCain brand of independence and the GOP brand.” His prescription for House Republicans: Repeal the gas tax for the summer, cutting domestic discretionary spending accordingly. Redirect the oil being put into the national petroleum reserve onto the open market. Introduce a “more energy at lower cost with less environmental damage and greater national security bill” as a replacement for the Warner-Lieberman “tax and trade” bill. Establish an earmark moratorium for one year and pledge to uphold the presidential veto of bills with earmarks through the end of 2009. Overhaul the census and cut its budget radically. Implement a space-based, GPS-style air traffic control system. Declare English the official language of government. Protect the workers’ right to a secret ballot. Remind Americans that judges matter.
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“…sees John McCain’s strength in opinion polls as ‘a Sign of the gap between the McCain brand of independence and the GOP brand.’” Right on the nose Newt.
“Without change the Republican Party in the House could revert to the permanent minority status it had from 1930 to 1994.”
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Newt’s words are music to my ears!
Too late, McCain now has a credibility gap.
Like him or not, I’ve always thought that Newt is someone worth listening to.
Newt is a pretty good political strategist, even if he rejected his campaign rhetoric once he got in power in 1994.
He sees the inevitable Democratic victory in November and is cultivating wingnuts to try a comeback (with him) in 2012.
But he, like Clinton, is fighting previous wars.
Newt Gingrich is Bill Clinton’s evil twin. (Or vice versa.) He’s working from Richard Nixon’s play book circa 1964. And the weird thing, so is Hillary Clinton.
“Pick your enemies carefully…”
Newt may not be electable.
He’s not stupid, either.
“Gingrich sees John McCain’s strength in opinion polls as “a sign of the gap between the McCain brand of independence and the GOP brand.”
Now Republicans have to run away from being Republicans to get elected?
Man, that’s just too rich!
Wow the earmarks…you know, it’d had been great had he done that when republicans were passing record earmarks.
You cannot simply refuse to pass legislation when you don’t get your way 100% of the time.
Of course you can pmom.
IOKIYAAR
“the McCain brand of independence”
???????
Is that the same as the “suck-up to Hagee, Parsley, Falwell and Robertson brand of independence”?
Krugman says that the economy the preceding year is more of a deciding factor as to who gets elected president that what goes on during the campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09krugman.html?hp
If Krugman is correct, the Republicans do have reasons to worry. We technically did not have a recession, because the growth in the last quarter was .6% IIRC. Saying that is techinally not a recession is like saying the man who has a nickel and a penny in his pocket, is technically not broke…. Okay….
It looks to me like Republicans have to run away from Dubya. It looks to me like Republicans have to run back to being conservative.
Us pesky libertarians are such a pain in the A** aren’t we?
Maybe some day the GOP will learn that the religious right has to comprimise with us Goldwater types.
The three main determinants of presidential elections according to Krugman who is quoting others:
“First, votes are affected by the state of the economy — mainly economic performance in the year or so preceding the election.
“Second, the approval rating of the current president strongly affects his party’s ability to hold power.
“Third, the electorate seems to suffer from an eight-year itch: parties rarely manage to hold the White House for more than two terms in a row.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/09/opinion/09krugman.html?hp
Remember when the last recession wasn’t officially declared until March of 2001 after bush took office? Then remember how much argument there was about the recession bush inherited? ya know, not his fault… Do you suppose they can cook the books so the official beginning of this recession isn’t until after bush leaves office? Then can it be blamed on the next president especially if s/he is from the Democratic Party?
Your probably right Ben. He isn’t independent anymore. It’s a pity. He started out so promising. But you are a democrat, you should be happy to hear about that.
“Declare English the official language of government.”
Didn’t notice this the first time. Nothing like a little racism to whip up the base, huh, Newt?
Steven I agree the republicans shouldn’t have a snowballs chance in July but the dims just keep trying to hand it to the old man.
Will Hillary ever get off that train? Doesn’t she know it is setting in the station?
Vet I agree the libertarians have some good ideas. Maybe the repubs and libterns can form an alliance with the best of both worlds and throw out the bad.
Yes, Linda. That is exactly what will happen.
What I have always wondered is, do those guys think that no one notices these self-serving construals of reality? Reality seems to be so unimportant to those folks, they may not care…
VET - actually, although I am currently a Democrat I have been an independent in years past. My first presidential candidate I worked for was Barry Goldwater. Now HE was a maverick.
Goldwater: From Arizona if memory serves. Like I said above, us Goldwater types just wont behave will we?
Steven there are several reasons that I think making english the official language is beneficial for all. The most important is that workers who are unable to speak english are trapped forever in lower paying jobs and unable to advance to management positions because of the limitations of communicating. This isn’t just my opinion it is an established fact.
As for the recession. It is just like the 2+2=4 argument. They are markers which denote a recession. No one can declare a recession if these conditions are not met. Thems just the facts whether you be dem or repub.
Ben and I talked about this earlier this week. My first campaign too! In fact, I think there are several on this board that cut their political teeth on Goldwater.
But we’ve all seen the “adjustments” that need to be made after the fact. So we are all aware of how a recession can be officially called after the fact.
I agree ksgrm - English needs to be universal. Even though my ancesters had to learn it from the immigrants who invaded their homeland.
Yep, don’t look good for McCain in 08. 2012 is looking awfully good for the GOP however.
A full blown recession that the Democrats are content to blame Bush on while living in a dream world where a Democrat in office automatically equals a Bull market.
Economic fundamentals influence economic trends. An Obama presidency must address these fundamentals instead of deluding himself and everyone else that everything will be roses because a D is on the White House.
Therefore, the Dems have no solutions to offer other than higher taxes (ie NOT a solution).
A McCain victory will be an upset as Gingrich has implied. However, a McCain loss gives power to the Democrats in the House, Senate and Executive branch.
I just have to love the havoc they will create with that!
As I recall Goldwater led the efforts to desegregate the AZ National Guard.
See??
THIS is why we don’t have to elect Mr Rogers Obama and play nice with the cons.
They’re down. Let’s kick ‘em!
From Wiki: “The term “Goldwater moment” has been used to describe a moment when members of Congress from the President’s party disagree and go against the wishes of the President.”
Wish we’d had a few more Goldwater moments during bush’s term.
JR which part of ‘Hillary lost’ are you not getting? Without splitting the dem party she can not get the nomination.
“Therefore, the Dems have no solutions to offer other than higher taxes (ie NOT a solution).”
Which explains, of course, the depression that we had under Bill Clinton!
/sarcasm off
“Thems just the facts whether you be dem or repub.”
Grm, the facts really are that there are different definitions of a recession. One that was posted on this blog not long ago was that a quarterly growth of less than 1%=recession.
You can call it a recession, a recess, or a cesspool, but I have had to pay personal record amounts for a tank of gasoline the last two consecutive Fridays. Food has gone up at unheard of rates. So, I don’t really care about technical definitions, these are not good economic times.
This quote from Newt’s article referenced above:
“According to a New York Times/CBS Poll, Americans disapprove of the President’s job performance by 63 to 28 (and he has been below 40% job approval since December 2006, the longest such period for any president in the history of polling).”
Where is GMC to refute this finding by saying ever so blithly that polls don’t matter, are rigged, etc.
Sorry. All indications are that you guys are in for a world of hurt in 2008 and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving group of people, IMHO only.
Also, would it be possible to lay of the name calling - like “dims”? - to me that just seems so undignified for someone who calls thmeselves a grandmother.
Linda be careful what you wish for - especially with a dem trifecta in the making.
I can hardly wait until the repubs get to start yelling at Obama about the high fuel costs since he has no solution. His party is the one that put a moritorium or drilling on shore and off the left and right coasts. They are the party that refused to authorize new refineries to be built. Theirs is the party blocking new wind farms, coal plants and nuclear plants.
This could be fun.
I hope accountability returns no matter who is the president and what party is in the majority. I plan to do my part as a voter and an American to always remind of this need.
“JR which part of ‘Hillary lost’ are you not getting”
Uh, the part where she hasn’t lost yet?
Oh I KNOW who you cons want the nominee to be.
But Democratic opinions are changing. We don’t have to work with these people if we have our foot on their throat.
Fun means different things to different people. But then differences are what make the world go round they say.
Stop the world. I’m ready to get off. Bye y’all. I’m going to walk my dog AGAIN!
“Theirs is the party blocking new wind farms”
At least in Kansas, where I am involved, it is the Democratic Party PUSHING wind farms.
Steven I do the dim thing because your side is very free with the repuke title. I believe in equality for both sides. Doesn’t threaten my grandma title in the least.
As for the less than 1% growth. How many quarters would that be for? Slice it any way you want it just doesn’t compute. I buy gas and groceries just as you do and I see the prices but as you can see by my previous post this energy crisis didn’t start last month or even last year. We are looking at solutions that are at least 5 years out and still no energy policy. Whose fault is that?
I don’t want to lay blame and I can see Bush’s faults just as you can I just don’t think he can carry that one alone. We have a senate and congress that deserve the lions share. Those same polls give you the lowest numbers for a setting congress since polls have been taken.
We can throw stones or we can hold the feet of the politicians to the fire and expect them to do what they were elected to do.
Our choice.
Ben I was referring to the east coast wind farms that the Kennedys have blocked for 4 years.
TRUE STORY: Today as I was leaving the gas station after filling up, I was hit up by a guy pan-handling who asked me if I could give him “a few dollars”. I suggested to him that he needed to find a better market location, because when people leave the gas station these days, they don’t have any money left. Just doing part for the shadow economy…
ksgrm
Posted May 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
Steven I do the dim thing because your side is very free with the repuke title. I believe in equality for both sides.
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I apologize grm, I forgot about your arrested moral development. ‘Two wrongs always make a right’ in your world, correct?
Steven I used to have a lot of respect for your opinions even though we seldom agree. What has happened to your sense of fairness? You feel the need to chastise me for the dim word and yet say nothing about the repuke word which is used daily.
Please leave off your judgements of my moral development. I sense that the little meet up you and some others had the other night might have mentioned my name because your herd mentality is in overdrive..
ksgrm - I figured that. Not knowing the details of the location I won’t make a specific judgment but I do agree that ‘zoning’ considerations do have to be taken into account. Also, Teddy Kennedy does not represent the democratic party overall.
Steven, have you noticed….there are homeless people everywhere it seems….never have I seen so many as I have this year.
Ksgrm, you have no creditility at all anymore either, your arguments are just downright sad. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re just another alter ego of JM.
I’m really just downright tired of this. The Bushies and the right wing have absolutely trashed this country in every way possible…why does any of us even bother to give them the chance to do it again? They know they can’t win on policy now, so they resort to the personal attacks between Obama and Hillary. BOTH OF WHICH would entitle our country to get some real policy chance and fix what the republicans have so gravely screwed up.
Everything you people have touched has now turned sour…and you have not one person to blame but yourselves, your ideals and BushCo. Pull your damn heads out will you?
Its not so hard to say “gee I was wrong”..
Face up that although you believed you were doing the right thing voting for Bush, that the policies you have supported do not work.
Even Newt knows it.
P.M- “Its not so hard to say “gee I was wrong”..
Yeah kind of like your unfounded “C” word accusation?
Pmom I decided long ago not to respond in kind to your posts. You really leave yourself too wide open for ridicule.
Ben I know Kennedy doesn’t represent the dems but he is a very visible voice for them. My point is that we are just killing time - kind of like ‘Fiddling while Rome burned’.
For everyday that we don’t address the problem we will be looking at longer and longer time to pay through the roof for fuel.
I say both parties need to find a solution. But when I see how we get along on this blog sadly that is probably expecting more than our politicians can deliver.
McCain needs to make up his mind whether he’s bush’s boy or not!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080509/pl_nm/usa_politics_mccain_dc_4
Well Phantom after the O’Reilly interview - I would say he has decided he isn’t. I think his ‘new’ positions will hurt him in the long run. Some of us want changes from the current policies but the changes McCain is offering aren’t the changes we are talking about.
ksgrm - on this we agree. And, as you know, I am one of those scientists who has been pushing for action on wind, efficiencies, technology, conservation, nuclear, etc.
“What has happened to your sense of fairness? You feel the need to chastise me for the dim word and yet say nothing about the repuke word which is used daily.”
Repeating a wrong makes it “fair”? I see.
To be clear: It is wrong to say “repuke” - I can’t recall that I ever have used that term.
Another moral lesson, someone should have taught you is: ‘Be the change you seek in your world’ - Ghandi
I can only hope you did a better job of teaching morality and ethics than you seemed to have learned these concepts.
I will not say any more to you on this subject. It may very well be an awful waste of time…
“…and yet say nothing about the repuke word which is used daily.”
One more thing, then no more. The above is the classic Regular red herring. He tries to make me responsible for what other posters do, while not accepting responsibility for his own actions. Grm is doing the same thing.
Do they give workshops where they teach republicans fallacious arguments - is that how you guys know them so well?
Your efforts are so pathetic, you don’t even make it very much fun.
Shaking my head…
“StevenEDavis” comments on –
“…the classic Regular red herring. He tries to make me responsible for what other posters do, while not accepting responsibility for his own actions. Grm is doing the same thing.
Do they give workshops where they teach republicans fallacious arguments - is that how you guys know them so well?”
I think they just parrot the wingnut radio guys and Faux News.
Well Steven you and Chas have convinced me today that this blog is indeed a big waste of time. There is no intelligent discourse. The nit picking and herd mentality of you and your cohorts is tiresome. I for one say enough. Start picking on each other. There are blogs where adults exchange ideas that are enlightening and fresh. That was the case yesterday and today the weirds came out.
Chas lies on a regular basis and no one on the left says a word. He call others names that shouldn’t even be used in polite conversation and yet you saw fit to address me about dims. Well I guess if the shoe fits..
WS has ragged on me for almost 2 years about a statement I made about my son’s service dates. Not one lib calls him on this. I take pride in the research I put behind my posts. I put links and if it is an opinion I state that. Still I get the libs small pettiness and name calling with no argument from you. Hardly ever do any of you actually have an opinion just petty sniping as if you can’t find a position to defend or have an opinion that isn’t unanimous.
You sir are a self righteous hypocrit - who see yourself in a much too complementary light.
Please share this with Pmom, WS, JR and anyone else you wish. It is actually directed to you all.
“herd mentality” hmmm i wonder which tarnished brass microphone that came from??
Notice the almost daily accusation of lies, and yet, never once proof that is legitimate!
Just more ad hominem bitching…
“I take pride in the research I put behind my posts.”
But you can’t remember if your son left the Navy in 1992 or 1994 or if he was in the Middle East in October of 2000………………….
Okay.
Do they give workshops where they teach republicans fallacious arguments - is that how you guys know them so well?
As a matter of fact, Steven, there’s a handbook. Don’t believe me? If I still have the link, I’ll send it to you. If I don’t, maybe I can scan what I printed and send it that way.
Oh, yes, and it was done for the Young Republicans, whatever the official name of them is.
If it were up to me, there’d be no personal attacks on this blog. That’d be the quickest way to lose posters such as “Regular, et al.”
But I’m human. And when somebody obviously trolls I sometimes find myself flopping around in the bow of the boat.
I suspect “Chas.” has been rubbed raw by the whole “you’re not a Christian” crap. And “Regular” has this penchant for name-calling like an 8th Grade bully. “CrapOnAmerica,” “MonkeyHock,” y’know? Real classy humor.
Pathetic.
Look, Regular is easy as pie to figure out. It’s real simple.
He always has been (like from kindergarten, I’m sure, or younger even), is now, and always will be a dipshit. It’s a perfectly apt description, it makes perfect sense to anybody who’s been around the block more than a few times.
To anybody who was alive in the 70s: Regular was the guy you NEVER wanted to know about the all night poker game you were hosting, or the after-hours party at your house. He’s also the kind of guy who was always, and I mean ALWAYS, trying to find about about ‘em so he could crash ‘em and find a way to make everybody feel like crap and want to go home early. Remember that guy?
He’s just one of those guys, it happens. To me, that’s all anybody needs to know about him.
It’s just that simple, really. The guy’s just a dipshit. :shrug:
buh bye germie!
Pedant- Agreed. Have you ever noticed that “Regular” is like Forrest Gump- he’s been everywhere and done everything? His is always bigger , faster, better..etc?
Opens door…. looks around.
Excuse me, could someone please direct me to the adult discussion room?
The topper — or the most recent topper anyway — was the other night when Chas handed him his hat on the $30 problem (NO YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND, THE NEW SOLUTION IS $25) and he short circuited. Er, short chortled (I guess).
Gump- Just remember to scrape him off your shoes before you come into the house.
Wow outlander, you noticed it too.
When there are few or no conservatives on the blog and only Libs it’s enough to put you to sleep.
I’m off to try and find some form of intelligent life on another.
KsGrm, you know full well that people can’t make mistakes like that, look at how the right treats Hillary.
A mistatement? Never happens. And I remember that conversation with you and WS the day it happened…you went on and on about how you remembered it that way. And you and I have gone on and on about the Emergency contraception that you were so sure was the same as the abortion pill.
I believe people make mistakes, I really believe you just got mixed up when you told WS the date, I don’t think you lied on purpose. But you’d have not extended that same courtesy to anyone else and you know it.
You have never once given anything but the conservative talking points, so whatever you say now about how persecuted you are..oh well. I guess you can now put yourself in the liberal’s shoes.
Learn to have some compassion and thought about those around you, those less fortunate, those who have not had the same as you. Then maybe I’ll give you a break. You never give one to others.
I wasn’t wrong Anti. You admit that McCain not denying it is incredibly suspicious.
Therefore, the Dems have no solutions to offer other than higher taxes (ie NOT a solution).
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Funny, Clinton raised taxes and balanced the budget. Job creation soared, the stock market shot up like a skyrocket.
Unfortunately, that’s when Clinton chose to lose his mind and continue his serial womanizing.
WS has ragged on me for almost 2 years about a statement I made about my son’s service dates. Not one lib calls him on this.
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I can’t speak for the other libs, but this lib supports him on it.
You fabricated a story to make Clinton look bad. You never apologized for it or admitted it.
You deserved to be ragged on. You on more than one occasion said one thing, and when it was shown to be wrong, claimed it “wasn’t what you meant.”
This seems to be a right-wing disease. When I am corrected about a factual error, I just say, “I was wrong.”
Anti–
If the C word allegation is wrong, why doesn’t McCain say so?
He was asked about it the other day, and all he could do was say, “people don’t like that kind of language.”
Nothing about how he didn’t say it . . .
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Political_mama
Posted May 9, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink
I wasn’t wrong Anti. You admit that McCain not denying it is incredibly suspicious.
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Do you have a source or proof that he said that? I would say it was asked in order to bring about suspicion to show the man as a “woman hater” without the event even occurring.
Until I see proof I must assume it was a ploy to tarnish his image to voters and nothing more.
Oh geez, I am upset that grm is mad at me for pointing our her logical errors.
I would enjoy nothing more than engaging you in a respectful debate. YOU, on the other hand, have not interest in that, what-so-ever. And, PLEASE don’t pretend that you do.
Let’s see, didn’t I, as a tax payer, fund the last couple of years of grm’s college education.
Would it be wrong for me, to demand my money back, since the recipient of my funds has seriously turned her back on educated discourse.
Email me, grm, and I will tell you where you can send your check. cognitivedissedents1@gmail.com
BTW, Gingerich is right.
The RepubliCONs have no vision for what they want for this country.
Their “fiscal responsibility” has been totally discredited. Bush doubled the national debt.
Their “deregulation” mantra has been discredited by the Enron melt-down (granted, that started under Clinton) and the mortgage melt-down.
Their “kick ass” foreign policy is kicking our ass in Iraqmire.
Their “free marketeerism” is burning up with gasoline doused on it.
The only thing they’ve got left–”Low taxes on the rich”–just ain’t cutting it anymore.
CapnAmerica,
I don’t know why he didn’t answer the question, I don’t know or like the man. I view it as a ridiculous question. Why do BlueJay, Regular, and yourself refuse to answer every question? I am guessing the answer is because they are simply unfounded and ridiculous.
Anti,
Please see the Cap’s 10:56 post. We’ll try not to kick you in the balls so often, but it would help us if you didn’t make it such a convenient target.
Well, I didn’t answer the question because I didn’t know you were the only person on Earth who didn’t know that McCain was accused of calling his wife a “C” in public by a best-selling book, “The Real McCain.”
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CapnAmerica
Posted May 9, 2008 at 10:56 pm | Permalink
BTW, Gingerich is right.
The RepubliCONs have no vision for what they want for this country.
Their “fiscal responsibility” has been totally discredited. Bush doubled the national debt.
Their “deregulation” mantra has been discredited by the Enron melt-down (granted, that started under Clinton) and the mortgage melt-down.
Their “kick ass” foreign policy is kicking our ass in Iraqmire.
Their “free marketeerism” is burning up with gasoline doused on it.
The only thing they’ve got left–”Low taxes on the rich”–just ain’t cutting it anymore.
Hey tough guy(SED), what does that have to do with the accusation of McCain calling his wife the “C” word? Bye the way, I am pissed at the GOP for wondering away from true conservatism and McCain is one of the members of that expedition.
Yes I know the book and the connections to the book. Just because some jack ass writes a book doesn’t mean it happened.
Steven, your lib shows are much to small to make much of a dent in my balls. Lighten up a bit chief.
Panty waste Panty waist
Bye the way By the way
for wondering away for wandering away
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CapnAmerica
Posted May 9, 2008 at 11:18 pm | Permalink
Well, I didn’t answer the question because I didn’t know you were the only person on Earth who didn’t know that McCain was accused of calling his wife a “C” in public by a best-selling book, “The Real McCain.”
My point CapnA, is that God was accused of creating the Earth in best selling book and many don’t believe that source without proof. Why should I believe this author on McCain?
I was raised by your Party CapnA, where 14th place in the spelling bee was celebrated because no one wanted anybodies feelings to be hurt. Just a product of Liberal Ideology in application.
Now are you going to address this issue at hand?
CapnA,
Or shall I assume you are a freak of nature with a superiority complex and OCD with a general hatred for humans particularly in America?
James in another nic. “ANTI” I mean.
Don’t entertain the clown.
It’s all that keeps him alive.
CapnA,
I attempted to conduct our exchange in a polite manor and you sir became an ass. I will assume my previous post. Good night.
BlueJay,
You are one step away from using a pillow case as a hat and burning down a fellow American’s house. You and your ludicrous theories should be noted by your “friends” and a doctor/sheriff.
BlueJay = 100% Kook every time.
The fact is that McCain is not fast on his feet and says stupid things often. When the debates come, Obama is going to mop the floor with him. It is going to be worse than Kennedy vs Nixon.
actually WS, panty waste is correct.
I think the Eagle should keep this blog for the name callers and the tired ideologues of both sides, but set up a new one that would be moderated, and would be limited to intelligent, respectful conversation. It could work. I sense some people are running out of patience with the depressing sameness of the negativity that constantly marks this blog.
Newt is right that McCain needs to stamp himself as someone different, which is the one reason he actually has a chance to win. But not with policies designed to get people to waste more gas. A gas tax holiday has to be the most ill-considered policy idea of the season; it is the ultimate in pandering for votes at the expense of the good of the country.
RobertL–
The Eagle doesn’t need another blog. They just need to moderate this one.
Since they don’t, we get exactly what we’ve got.
But the mandatory registration has vastly cut down on the hit-and-run trolls, as predicted . . .
ANTI wrote: a polite manor
Is that a large country house where people are formally correct?
It’s manner, douchebag.
Sheesh, you can’t make this stuff up.
Do you know the Eagle abandoned one blog already (well, left it to its own devices which were on a downhill slide!)? kansas.com was available a few years before WEBlog began. kansan.com became a cesspool. I haven’t visited there for a long time but it was my very first blogging experience and I found this place when I couldn’t stand that one a minute longer.
They must monitor to have any better!