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Wright is a nut - big deal. At least he isn’t advocating that America launch Holy War against half the world.

Rev. Wright is selling his coming book, and to do so, he’ll happily throw Obama under the bus.

With friends like these . . .

Bread and the circus.

HLP,

And the guy who sucked up to an anti-Catholic, anti-Semite Pastor, who blamed for the city of New Orleans for causing its own destruction–does that guy, HLP, “deserve” to be President?

The criterion is simple: the one who gets the most votes “deserves” to be President. All this brouhaha is mere diversion.

Bread and the circus.

It seems to me that more pastors should be addressing the issue of an unjust war from the pulpit. My church, the one that John Hagee damns, often addresses, from the pulpit and the Vatican, the issue of the rights of the unborn. I believe the Pope has voiced his judgment on unjust war but I’ve never, not once, heard it addressed by a priest from the pulpit. I thought the Rev. Wright made a lot of good points, e.g. don’t leave the messages of the Gospel in the pew when you walk out of church. He made a lot of good points, but, for some reason, in this silly political season, few people seemed to hear them. Many seemed to pick up a soundbite and then damn him on that basis.

People don’t vote for a candidate’s pastor.

They vote for a candidate.

Fox News viewers haven’t seen that much exposure of a black man talking in the entire ten years it’s been on . . .

That’s a good question. I wish some enterprising journalist would ask Mr. Bush about his connections to John Hagee. Every other notable TExas Republican seems to have ties to Hagee. Another good question: have these “end of times” theories influenced his policy decisions?

Do you mean to tell me that there are religious nuts that influence politicians? SAY IT AINT SO JOE. SAY IT AINT SO.

Rev. Wright fading from public consciousness like Milli Vannili in three, two, oops already gone . . .

Since CUFI has all of the wise council members such as Hagee, Parsley, Bauer and Falwell Jr.

I seem to get brought back to this point, “Obama sat for twenty years listening to Wright, exposed his children to Wright. But claims to have not heard Wright saying these offensive remarks.”.
And so I point this out again, they were contained in the entire sermon not made independently.
Taken inside the context of the entire sermon these remarks are not offensive, Again it was not solely “God Damn America” by its self. It was “God Damn America unless it changes its ways!”. This after pointing out the Biblical wrongs committed by the Government on a institutional level and what continues to occur.

“The Chickens coming home to roost” was toward the middle of a sermon about how people were responding to 9-11 in different ways. And how Christians should respond to such things. As to the way Wright see things would be different than how others see them. Wright has pointed out, the people on top of the decks were praying to the same God as those below the decks. One praying to God thanking him for the bounty they were going to receive for the cargo below the decks. And those below the deck praying that they be set free.

There is not a Minster, Preacher or Priest who’s sermons over the length of their time behind the pulpit. That if picked over word by word, has not during a sermon said something that if taken away from the rest of the sermon. They have said something that could be taken as offensive! Why are people so hypocritical that they give their own Minster grace and held Wright to a higher standard? Time and time again when I would site Terry Fox, I was told by those whom attended Immanuel that it was not the sound bytes that conveyed the meaning of his motives or sermons.

Wright is hardly a valid reason to vote for Obama or not to vote for Obama. If you have set through the sermons of Joe Wright, Terry Fox or the majority of men of God and not heard them saying something that could be taken as offensive. Next times have the person next to you try to keep you awake!

w-dog - it might even be “I fear that God will damn America … ”

Nowhere near as bad as those McCain preachers saying Katrina is God’s punishment for not exterminating gays or that 9/11 is somehow God abandoning us.

I see your point BTH, but too many americans are addicted to the feeling that America is right as long as it follows the religious right and that God will always love us as long as everyone knows that God hates shrimp (oops, wrong verse in Leviticus) God hates GAYS. I suppose they amended the regulation on shrimp, but not gays.

http://WWW.GODHATESSHRIMP.COM

NOW this is shocking, it a video of Wright and what he is saying is PURELY insane! His views he expresses is Anti-logical! You all are right he must be crazy to even say such things… I stand corrected!
This whole thing is so out there, why would a man whom believes in God say these things!
His view of women is against the main stream thoughts!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yOR_srOUI0

Gotta be careful about pizza too …

writer. THAT DOES IT. I have to vote for Hillary now because….wait…is it because he is a nut so we hate Obama, or is it because chicks need to tell the story now so we have to vote for Clinton?

cool, so they allow 3-ways in the Bible? Maybe I should rethink this christianity thing again.

I think Pizza was taken care of during the Council of Trent, or was it Vatican II?

VET - you have to keep in mind that this is the old covenant. Perhaps it has all been rescinded and superceeded.

naaah, I can’t dig that. Something about his old lady being his sister or something. That incest stuff is too creepy. I might be a dirtbag. But I have ethics. No sex with my sister. Every girl I lie to trying to have sex with is over 21. I HAVE ETHICS BY GUM!!!!!!!

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is just like most of the TV preachers. He and them take from the poor and stupid and live a life of extravagance while the poor go without food and medicine while all the time blaming the government and “the other people”.

R A — I suggest you prove your point, because Wright worked under a similar kind of contract that many Pastors have — in a Called/Installed system — So far as I know, he didnt live a life of luxury… If you want that, look to Oral Roberts, or Billy Graham, or Joel Osteen!!

Yes Chas, he like other pastors that used the call install position to make him very wealthy. He is as greatly over paid as CPOs are to the employees of large corporations. They are also “called/installed”, does that make it right?

Yes, outlander, I should have compaired him more to Oral Roberts.

“Called/Installed” is a ministerial term used by some denominations as ONE TYPE of ministry…. The UCC is one of those denominations…. The term has NOTHING WHATEVER to do with a CFO or CEO of a corporation!! When is the last time you saw a Worship Service of Installation for a CFO/CEO??? ROFL!!!

“Called/Installed” — “Acting Minister” –”Interim Pastor” — “Stated Supply” –”Designated Pastor” — “Licensed Lay Minister” –

Those are some “categories” of ministry… Each of them has different descriptions… Each of them has a different set of “Call” papers, signed by the Pastors, their Congregation officials, and their Conferences/Synods/Presbyteries/Associations, etc.

“The criticism was divisive, racist”

And calling Barack Obama “the garden gnome” and the “mulatto messiah” is WHAT, Mr. Price?

Sigh….

I TOLD you so.

Unless and until something more interesting (devastating) happens, this entire election is gonna orbit around Pastor Jeremiah Wright.

And that is probably just what he wants.

This ball is rolling now. The right is already mining the congregation of the church, looking for those that come down with Obama and those that side with Pastor Wright.

The goal being to place Obama in a pew during one of Wright’s …..tirades. And then to further tie Obama to Wright.

I just heard a very interesting take on Wright on the NewsHour on PBS. He is afraid that if Obama gets elected it shows the lie of his racist preaching. On the other hand, if Obama loses - especially if he ‘gets robbed’ - Wright can use that to justify himself.

We are already seeing the beginnings of something like that among a blogger or two here Ben.

If Obama doesn’t get the nomination? America is a racist nation!

If Obama DOES get the nomination and loses to McCain?
America is a racist nation!

SO the only way America can be acquitted of the charge that it is a racist nation?

Well we just HAVE to elect Obama.

Geez against this kind of mentality, both Clinton AND McCain have to drop out of the contest.

Obama AGREES with Wright.

This is why Wright is important.

Wright thinks that the CIA invented the AIDS virus to kill Black people.
Wright thinks that it was wrong to drop atomic bombs on Japan, and that America should apologize.
Wright is buddies with anti-Semite Nation of Islam leader Farrakhan.

Wright is not off the hook.

Obama is ON the hook, even worse now.

Wright has not said anything new, in the last several weeks.

Only problem is, Wright “disrespected” Obama, and Obama had to strike back.

Just the type of “diplomat” we need in the White House, huh?

Wright and Obama are both egomaniacs.

Wright is a hateful, racist pig and Obama hung with him for over 20 years knowing what he preached. Obama is a wolf in sheep clothing.

I would also note that the US did intervene by supplying Israel with cluster bombs to drop all over Lebanon. We also provided them with intel to help them bomb the UN observation post in Lebanon.

No outlander - not on the edge at all. I posted all those links last night.

To some extent I might have exaggerated a bit by paraphrasing Paul’s Obama-bashinbg rant. However, McCain HAS embraced BOTH of them. And went on to sing “Bomb Iran”

writerdog,

Good link about Wright preaching about men (and women) and the writing of the Bible. Not that many here understood it…

Chas to the point I found nothing offensive in the video, my point I was trying to make is that if you are looking for something to be offended by. It is easy to find and I do not think is revealing some big secret. If you are looking for a legitimate reason to gig someone and come up lacking. Then there is always an illegitimate reason to point to.

Do Wright’s sermons tend to be afro-centrist, without a doubt his church is after all in an area that mainly serves that part of town. His congregation for the most part do not deal on a daily basis with the price of a Starbuck’s coffee or which Plastic surgeon is the best for Lypo suction. It like general conversation, you may acknowledge the plight of others whom are in different situation then you. But you truly only KNOW the situation you face on a daily basis.

I may point to the time I attended a sermon given by Terry Fox and out of an hour forty five minutes of it was about Financial concerns. Such as how to tell if you are in over your head and how to receiving proper financial planning. But since the majority of his congregation are the upwardly mobile, who lives have such matters as a daily concern. In a real sense he was addressing the concerns of his flock.

For many the Wright controversy is the first look into the Black church, which brings up some of the reality that are still present in our race relations. And the differences between POV, we as Whites mainly see only the advances over the last hundred years. While Blacks mainly see what is the present day actions, to be honest the only relating I can do is from the period when my hair was long enough that it rested on my shoulders. Often when in a store I would be followed, observed and off handedly accused at times.
Once I was at a garage sale, when the home owner walked up and out of nowhere said “I had a battery charger stolen yesterday!”. Normally I had my hair in a pony tail but that day I had it hanging loose.
Oddly such thing happened only when I had my hair hanging loose never when it was in a pony tail.
Or since going back to it being short, cutting my hair solved that problem. But is a daily occurrence for blacks to some degree or another. Fact of life for them….

J R–

“I want to crush my enemy” cannot motivate a mass movement.

True, it has worked pretty well for the ruling junta of the RepubliCON party, but look at the results now–Bush’s approval are lower than any president since Gallup started polling 60 years ago.

If you want to form a broad coalition to take this country where it needs to go, you get a grass-roots organizer to do it, not an old political Washington insider.

Noonan really doesn’t like the Clintons. I’m not surprised she’s taking this approach with Rev. Wright and his comments. Chances are a Democrat will win the White House in ‘08. She hopes it won’t be the Clinton’s. Noonan will try to ease up the heat on Obama to keep him in contention.

The “conservative”, “Christian”, “party of personal responsibility” members who voted for this “moral values” economy that’s essentially wiping out the middle class who are incapable of admitting they made a mistake with Bush/Delay/Frist and that cadre of the greedy “pro-life, vote for us and we’ll stop abortion and gays” liars will make Noonan’s and other quasi-conservative pundits’ jobs to lean toward the middle and away from the religious fanatical destroyers of this nation’s success more difficult.

It’s ceased to be humorous, the sputtering and spewing local “Christians” are NOW doing about the economy, in particular. YOU voted for it. These people in their infinite, Godly wisdom voted into office the most corrupt politicians in this nation’s history. Shame on God for not giving them better guidance. Shame on them, more so, for thinking the relationships God wants us to enjoy with one another are the unending attacks they’ve made on anyone not like them. By the way, 47% of your countrymen told you eight years of George W. Bush - the oilman whose interests were in making the rich richer - was a bad idea. $4 a gallon milk isn’t saving any babies, gays are winning rights at a record pace, sending parents’ jobs overseas is not pro-family, and the historic gaps between rich and poor are recreating the welfare state. The religious “right” has won this country nothing and cost us everything - from the moral high ground to the American dream.

There are two places in society where you’ll find proportionally more antisocial personalities than are present in the general public: prison and the pulpit. America has too many in both places.

Wright’s offensive opinions and inflammatory appearances are judged differently (than John Hagee, Pat Robertson and Billy Graham). He doesn’t fire a shot in anger, put a noose around anyone’s neck, call for insurrection, or plant a bomb in a church with children in Sunday school. What he does is to speak his mind in a language and style that unsettle some people, and says some things so outlandish and ill-advised that he finally leaves Obama no choice but to end their friendship. We are often exposed us to the corroding acid of the politics of personal destruction, but I’ve never seen anything like this–this wrenching break between pastor and parishioner–before our very eyes. Both men no doubt will carry the grief to their graves. All the rest of us should hang our heads in shame for letting it come to this in America, where the gluttony of the non-stop media grinder consumes us all and prevents an honest conversation on race. It is the price we are paying for failing to heed the great historian Jacob Burckhardt, who said “beware the terrible simplifiers”. —Bill Moyers

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