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		<title>By: StevenEDavis</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is plenty of data&#8221; &#8211; should be, &#8220;There are plenty of data&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: StevenEDavis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-361033</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenEDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Night.  Going to bed.  If I have time, I will read RFL&#039;s convincing arguments, tomorrow.

Just plain common sense, is such a rare comodity in the Bush II administration. 

God help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Night.  Going to bed.  If I have time, I will read RFL&#8217;s convincing arguments, tomorrow.</p>
<p>Just plain common sense, is such a rare comodity in the Bush II administration. </p>
<p>God help us all.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenEDavis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-361018</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenEDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry RFL,

You have been drinking the koolaide for too long.

This book:

http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781582434032-0

will help you understand the fallicies that have been perpetrated by this administration for the last 5 years.

There is plenty of data which suggest that the occupation is the problem, not the solution in Iraq.

If our country was invaded and occupied for an indeterminate amount of time, don&#039;t you think those Americans who cooperated with the occupiers might have some trouble with being seen as legitimate.  Even the royally dumb Bush said that if Americans were occupied by a foreign invader, we would not like it. DUH!!!

Stay the course, RFL, it is working out so very well!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry RFL,</p>
<p>You have been drinking the koolaide for too long.</p>
<p>This book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781582434032-0" rel="nofollow">http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781582434032-0</a></p>
<p>will help you understand the fallicies that have been perpetrated by this administration for the last 5 years.</p>
<p>There is plenty of data which suggest that the occupation is the problem, not the solution in Iraq.</p>
<p>If our country was invaded and occupied for an indeterminate amount of time, don&#8217;t you think those Americans who cooperated with the occupiers might have some trouble with being seen as legitimate.  Even the royally dumb Bush said that if Americans were occupied by a foreign invader, we would not like it. DUH!!!</p>
<p>Stay the course, RFL, it is working out so very well!!</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-361002</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bush is so intransient that if congress withheld funding he&#039;d sacrifice all the troops for his misbegotten war. And, stupid Repubs. would&#039;ve blamed congress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush is so intransient that if congress withheld funding he&#8217;d sacrifice all the troops for his misbegotten war. And, stupid Repubs. would&#8217;ve blamed congress!</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360999</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 03:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We don’t know what would happen if al Qaeda had a sanctuary in Iraq from which they could presumably export violence, perhaps train others. We just don’t know,” Petraeus told a news conference in Washington&quot;
Maybe the same thing could happen as could happen with them having a sanctuary in Pakistan from which they are training. Do ya think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We don’t know what would happen if al Qaeda had a sanctuary in Iraq from which they could presumably export violence, perhaps train others. We just don’t know,” Petraeus told a news conference in Washington&#8221;<br />
Maybe the same thing could happen as could happen with them having a sanctuary in Pakistan from which they are training. Do ya think?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed_Friedemann</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360856</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed_Friedemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re calling it &quot;al-qaeda&quot; because they&#039;ve worn-out &quot;terrorists.&quot;

{ They&#039;ve got to call it something, other than &quot;Iraqis }.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re calling it &#8220;al-qaeda&#8221; because they&#8217;ve worn-out &#8220;terrorists.&#8221;</p>
<p>{ They&#8217;ve got to call it something, other than &#8220;Iraqis }.</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360840</link>
		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 19:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who were we liberating Iraqis from?&quot;

Sadaam 

Iraqi&#039;s were happy which is why they wrote:

&quot;Job donne [sic]. Now, go home&quot;

Heavens knows that is what Bush and Co fully planned on doing.  But Al Qaeda decided to show up and make America pay for being so stupid as to engage in nation building in the M.E.

The war planning commitee simply was simply too naive to predict the inevitable.   I agree and have believed since 2003 that this war (or occupation as you call it) was started on shaking ground with assumptions made that never should have been made.  

But Al Qaeda gave this war legitimacy that it never had in 2003 when everyone was in favor of it for all the wrong reasons!

Have you watched the testimony from the Generals in Iraq?  The question is asked:  

&quot;Is Al Qaeda still a threat in Iraq?&quot;  

&quot;Iraq is important to U.S. security worldwide because it is &quot;the central front of al Qaeda&#039;s global war of terror,&quot; Gen. David Petraeus said Wednesday.
 
Al Qaeda could use Iraq as a base to &quot;export violence,&quot; Gen. David Petraeus said Wednesday. 

  &quot;We don&#039;t know what would happen if al Qaeda had a sanctuary in Iraq from which they could presumably export violence, perhaps train others. We just don&#039;t know,&quot; Petraeus told a news conference in Washington

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/12/iraq.petraeus/index.html

Democrats pledge to support the fight against Al Qaeda, but they stubbornly insist that Iraq is the wrong battlefield since the war was started on a false premise.  However, the generals on the field have been clear that Iraq IS the battle field to fight Al Qaeda regardless of poor judgement exercised in choosing to remove Sadaam 5 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who were we liberating Iraqis from?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sadaam </p>
<p>Iraqi&#8217;s were happy which is why they wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Job donne [sic]. Now, go home&#8221;</p>
<p>Heavens knows that is what Bush and Co fully planned on doing.  But Al Qaeda decided to show up and make America pay for being so stupid as to engage in nation building in the M.E.</p>
<p>The war planning commitee simply was simply too naive to predict the inevitable.   I agree and have believed since 2003 that this war (or occupation as you call it) was started on shaking ground with assumptions made that never should have been made.  </p>
<p>But Al Qaeda gave this war legitimacy that it never had in 2003 when everyone was in favor of it for all the wrong reasons!</p>
<p>Have you watched the testimony from the Generals in Iraq?  The question is asked:  </p>
<p>&#8220;Is Al Qaeda still a threat in Iraq?&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;Iraq is important to U.S. security worldwide because it is &#8220;the central front of al Qaeda&#8217;s global war of terror,&#8221; Gen. David Petraeus said Wednesday.</p>
<p>Al Qaeda could use Iraq as a base to &#8220;export violence,&#8221; Gen. David Petraeus said Wednesday. </p>
<p>  &#8220;We don&#8217;t know what would happen if al Qaeda had a sanctuary in Iraq from which they could presumably export violence, perhaps train others. We just don&#8217;t know,&#8221; Petraeus told a news conference in Washington</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/12/iraq.petraeus/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/12/iraq.petraeus/index.html</a></p>
<p>Democrats pledge to support the fight against Al Qaeda, but they stubbornly insist that Iraq is the wrong battlefield since the war was started on a false premise.  However, the generals on the field have been clear that Iraq IS the battle field to fight Al Qaeda regardless of poor judgement exercised in choosing to remove Sadaam 5 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenEDavis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360824</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenEDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RFL,

Who were we liberating Iraqis from?

There was graffetti written near the statute of Saddam that was brought down, it said &quot;Job donne [sic].  Now, go home.&quot;

We were greeted as liberaters when we entered France in WW II.  We were liberating the French from German occupiers.  Different story in Iraq.

You can&#039;t deliver democracy like it&#039;s pizza.  :)

Who are we killing in Iraq today?  Who are killing us?  Both answers are a small percentage of Al Qaeda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RFL,</p>
<p>Who were we liberating Iraqis from?</p>
<p>There was graffetti written near the statute of Saddam that was brought down, it said &#8220;Job donne [sic].  Now, go home.&#8221;</p>
<p>We were greeted as liberaters when we entered France in WW II.  We were liberating the French from German occupiers.  Different story in Iraq.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t deliver democracy like it&#8217;s pizza.  :)</p>
<p>Who are we killing in Iraq today?  Who are killing us?  Both answers are a small percentage of Al Qaeda.</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360816</link>
		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 18:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately the one lesson of Vietnam the bush republicans absolutely refused to learn was that getting into a war is easy; getting out is the real problem. 
-Jed

Let&#039;s hope that the Republicans AND the Democrats have learned this lesson.

Democrats were in charge during the lead up to both Vietnam and Korea (Not to mention WWI and WWII).   All the American involvment in the major conflicts during the 20th century were initiated by Democratic executive leadership.  

Republicans have largely sought to avoid nasty foreign entanglements with the notable exceptions of Teddy Roosevelt and GWB.

Ron Paul is perfect example of this.  As a poster boy of the arch-conservative, anti-UN John Birch Society, Paul embodies the constitutionaly correct way of viewing conflicts that true Republicans have long advocated (up until this administration).  Only congress can declare war.  

Instead, Bush goes to the UN to get approval to go to war.  

Making congress declare war (As the constitution clearly stipulates) essentially means you either fight it 100% or not at all.  The correct strategy in winning the war can then be bipartisanly supported.   No single person or political party can be scapegoated when things go bad. 

Will the Democrats finally accept the constitutionly correct way for entering conflicts?  Haven&#039;t heard them make that argument yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately the one lesson of Vietnam the bush republicans absolutely refused to learn was that getting into a war is easy; getting out is the real problem.<br />
-Jed</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that the Republicans AND the Democrats have learned this lesson.</p>
<p>Democrats were in charge during the lead up to both Vietnam and Korea (Not to mention WWI and WWII).   All the American involvment in the major conflicts during the 20th century were initiated by Democratic executive leadership.  </p>
<p>Republicans have largely sought to avoid nasty foreign entanglements with the notable exceptions of Teddy Roosevelt and GWB.</p>
<p>Ron Paul is perfect example of this.  As a poster boy of the arch-conservative, anti-UN John Birch Society, Paul embodies the constitutionaly correct way of viewing conflicts that true Republicans have long advocated (up until this administration).  Only congress can declare war.  </p>
<p>Instead, Bush goes to the UN to get approval to go to war.  </p>
<p>Making congress declare war (As the constitution clearly stipulates) essentially means you either fight it 100% or not at all.  The correct strategy in winning the war can then be bipartisanly supported.   No single person or political party can be scapegoated when things go bad. </p>
<p>Will the Democrats finally accept the constitutionly correct way for entering conflicts?  Haven&#8217;t heard them make that argument yet.</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are not fightinng a war, we are managing an occupation.
-Steven

Fighting a war and rebuilding a country are not mutually exclusive.

In order to defeat Radical Islam, the strategy is and has always been to install a democratic freedom loving goverment in the ME.  Bush thinks that this will cause people to leave their terror war lords and embrace our Western brand of freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are not fightinng a war, we are managing an occupation.<br />
-Steven</p>
<p>Fighting a war and rebuilding a country are not mutually exclusive.</p>
<p>In order to defeat Radical Islam, the strategy is and has always been to install a democratic freedom loving goverment in the ME.  Bush thinks that this will cause people to leave their terror war lords and embrace our Western brand of freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: WSClark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360763</link>
		<dc:creator>WSClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Using the liberal dialogue thinking: “Gee, I don’t think I can read this, it’s too hard for me!”&quot;

American, you are rapidly approaching Max Groblic (sic) territory and in danger of sinking to Fleetwood status.

And dem ain&#039;t compliments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Using the liberal dialogue thinking: “Gee, I don’t think I can read this, it’s too hard for me!”&#8221;</p>
<p>American, you are rapidly approaching Max Groblic (sic) territory and in danger of sinking to Fleetwood status.</p>
<p>And dem ain&#8217;t compliments.</p>
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		<title>By: American</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/did-democratic-candidates-dupe-voters/#comment-360752</link>
		<dc:creator>American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;WSClark
Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:54 am &#124; Permalink
And again…………………………………..

Let’s try this again……………………

“But American, what is McCain going to do other than give us Bush III?”&quot;

Using the liberal dialogue thinking: &quot;Gee, I don&#039;t think I can read this, it&#039;s too hard for me!&quot;

Therefore, I&#039;ll just scroll over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;WSClark<br />
Posted May 31, 2008 at 12:54 am | Permalink<br />
And again…………………………………..</p>
<p>Let’s try this again……………………</p>
<p>“But American, what is McCain going to do other than give us Bush III?”&#8221;</p>
<p>Using the liberal dialogue thinking: &#8220;Gee, I don&#8217;t think I can read this, it&#8217;s too hard for me!&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, I&#8217;ll just scroll over.</p>
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