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Is your family insured?

Count yourself lucky to be able to afford a $110,000 house. A lot of people can’t.

He isn’t even the nominee.

But already come the hints. Find a way to blame the victim.

Mark my words. Obama wants to be the black Ronald Reagan. He’ll real quick shift to telling folks they can find hope and change AND a pony!

If the just dig a little deeper in the horse sh&^.

Should I assume that if your son’s health insurance was made affordable, you would call yourself a “responsible” parent for not buying it?

That was the point of Obama’s statement — make children’s health care affordable, so that responsible parents could buy it.”

My husband and I were applying for a new home loan, and according to “them” (the banks, credit bureaus, etc) we could “afford” a loan for $243,000 for a new home. In REAL LIFE we can afford about $110,000. They don’t take in account grocery bills, gas, school fees, etc. just credit cards, and loans that show up on your credit report.

I will be VERY interested to see what Barack Obama THINKS my family CAN AFFORD for health insurance under his plan….

Democratic national convention 2004.

Obama made a pretty speech. And somewhere, someone decided this qualified him to be President.
I want to know who that was and what their agenda is. Similar behind the scenes forces are responsible for giving us bush.

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Kennedy is cited. He used to be a hero of mine.

JOHN Kennedy was a lousy President. He started the march toward the division between the have mores and have nothings with his tax cuts. The only reason Kennedy was not hounded on his philandering was the press at the time was more discreet.

“And I’m reserving a definitive opinion until we see a head to head with McCain.”

It’ll be a little late then won’t it?

“Why shouldn’t we be willing to talk? That’s how things get accomplished, not by slinging mud and digging in our heels at each and every opportunity. There are times for diplomacy,”

We have been retreating for 25 years! What else would you care to negotiate away? Geez all that is left is letting the cons ban sex or require gun ownership. Maybe let them pave over a national park or three.

“But if McCain wins because you have a stick up your you-know-what about Obama, then I will hold you responsible for your part in it.”

It’s perfect aint it Rox? You have no responsibility at all.

If Obama loses, it’s MY fault. Or Hillary’s fault! Or racist America’s fault!

It COULDN’T be that in your naive wishing for peace that you’ve bought a loser.

“Cross me off your list, JR, because that’s what you’ve done to the rest of us. Your bitterness is not becominng.”

For you? DONE. But don’t accuse me of dissing my friends. It aint MY candidate wants to sell out on friends to work with the enemy. And I’ll take kfg as a friend over you any day of the week. Your naivete is an anchor on the party’s ass keeping us from squashing the enemy for once and all. Send me the occasional postcard from la la land.

And Monkeyhawk says…

“Did he object, a few weeks ago, when the “Gaffe du jour” was “bitterness-gate?” I don’t recall. But it would have been ironic. He seems like the guy Barrack was talking about.

EXACTLY. Like you Obama supporters, Obama is arrogan and condescending. I have as bad or worse than anyone. But I don’t run to a 2000 year old storybook or hide under the bed with a gun.

It aint over yet. But if SOME Democrats are ready willing and able to make the biggest mistake in history? Count me out.

Oh yeah. You and Barack already did.

But get over yourselves while you are at it. In Kansas, your vote means nothing.

It was pointed out a few days ago but deserve reminding, for the DNC to back down and allow Florida and Michigan to count after its ruling. Would mean that the DNC becomes nothing more than a paper tiger, both States knew the rules and penalties and chose to ignore them. They will become like the parent whom keeps saying to the child. “If you do that you will be in big trouble… I mean it if you keep doing that.. seriously if you keep doing that…”.

I know a few people like “BlueJay” who are so frustrated by Republic Party tactics, basically since the Gingrich Revolution of 1994. From Ken Starr to Tom DeLay to Karl Rove and Scalia and Shrub and Cheney etc… for so long, they can’t see straight. He seems hung up mostly on Obama’s appeal to bipartisanship. Thinks it’s naive, too idealistic, pie-in-the-sky. Frankly, given what the SCOTUS is doing and Shrub is doing and what DeLay did and what Cheney and Rove want to do, I can’t totally dismiss “BlueJay’s” trepidations entirely out of hand. But he borders on nutso in some of his diatribes.

His virulent anti-Obama rhetoric simply makes me shake my head. Six months ago, when there was Byden and Dodd and Kucinich and Edwards and Clinton and Obama and, and… (well, Mike Gravel, not so much)… and I was damned proud to be a Democrat. I’d be proud if any of ‘em became the next President of the United States.

All these weekly primaries later and I’m still proud to call myself a Democrat. I’ll vote for either Clinton or Obama in November without any compunctions. It’s the way it’s gotta be.

“BlueJay” reminds me of Richard Farina’s book, “Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me.”

Did he object, a few weeks ago, when the “Gaffe du jour” was “bitterness-gate?” I don’t recall. But it would have been ironic. He seems like the guy Barrack was talking about.

Did you ever see the movie “Election?” Reese Witherspoon, I think and… some guy. She plays Hillary Clinton in the movie, set in a high school about a student council election. You kinda admire Hillary’s sticktoitiveness, but it’s wearing thin.

What’s really odd about “BlueJay” is that he doesn’t seem to be particularly pro-Hillary, just anti-Obama.

Go figure.

Some people have issues. Others have subscriptions.

But I THINK what you have found Rox is Obama’s retread and explanation of his original comments.

Nope, I’m 99.9% sure you’re wrong about the retread. I used your paraphrase with Google, found a board (or blog) discussing it with links, which took me to Fact Check. There’s nothing saying it was “old stuff rehashed”, and I don’t recall it was. Not that particular topic, at least.

A guy from nowhere makes ONE speech, gets sunshine pumped up his skirt, a total media pass for almost a year, and now stands on the threshold of the Dem nomination?

Which ONE speech are you referring to, since there have been many? ONE speech has not brought people to where we are today. It’s the culmination of many speeches. And he certainly hasn’t gotten a pass, but Hillary has gotten the worst. Blame that “liberal” MSM.

So clueless as to politics.

Huh? Go back and re-read what Obama said. Then think about it. Granted, you weren’t around when JFK ran, but there’s been enough footage and coverage to be in the know on it. Same for Reagan. Obama nailed the thoughts of the voters at the time. I think the reason you think Obama knows nothing is because he’s not looking at it with the same jaded eyes we’ve been using for the past too many years.

…we NEED a fighter and not a talker.

You want fisticuffs, because you’re angry. What does fighting prove? Who can punch the best? Doesn’t mean that person is right. And I’m reserving a definitive opinion until we see a head to head with McCain. I think Obama will fight when the time comes, although maybe not ever as down and dirty as you’d like to see. Time will tell, but it’s clear you’ll never be satisfied.

And why SHOULD we be? The Republican party is collapsing. They are losing in areas they haven’t in decades. We don’t HAVE to work with them.

Why shouldn’t we be willing to talk? That’s how things get accomplished, not by slinging mud and digging in our heels at each and every opportunity. There are times for diplomacy, there are times for heel digging. I’ve said it before, but I’ll repeat it again. The b.s. we’ve had for too many years, during too many presidents and congresses must stop. The Founding Fathers set up the three branches of gov’t for a reason, and we’ve seen what happens when one branch gets all the power. We’ve seen what happens when one PARTY has all the power in Congress. Either nothing gets done or we get the shaft. Things must be worked out to everyone’s benefit, not just yours or mine. Compromise is something we teach our children, yet too many of us aren’t willing to do it ourselves. Compromise is not losing. Losing is not willing to compromise. Isn’t the disintegration of the Republican party proof enough of that?

You cannot imagine the hoops I have to jump through just so my kid has health care.

Oh, really? I think I have a vividly clear idea what hoops you jump through. But I’ll jump through hoops of fire, if that’s what it takes, for my child to be able to receive health care when needed. BlueJay, I understand you’re a single parent. So am I. And when I became one, I had THREE kids and no job, and their father didn’t carry insurance on them and hadn’t for over a year. It became MY responsibility, even before I left the marriage. And when my youngest broke her wrist, I was the one who dealt with it with no insurance. I think I understand very well how it is.

If you want to read into things only what you want to see, then feel free to do so. Each of us sees things from our own perspective. It’s human nature. But if McCain wins because you have a stick up your you-know-what about Obama, then I will hold you responsible for your part in it. If Hillary wins the nomination, she will get my vote, although she has never been my choice.

Cross me off your list, JR, because that’s what you’ve done to the rest of us. Your bitterness is not becominng.

“I did not misquote.”

Okay… then prove it.

Post the links to the paraphrases you posted at 7:03 PM.

Post the entire statement Obama made about reducing the cost of children’s health insurance, so that responsible parents could afford it. And the link.

But BlueJay probably wont do that. It seems that he’d rather attack Obama, and other people, than look at the facts.

And my honesty has never been questioned here.

Until now. By an Obama supporter.

My son is on Health wave. Presumably Obama wants to sublimate that.

You cannot imagine the hoops I have to jump through just so my kid has health care.

Nor do I imagine you much care.

Misquoting people, and dropping the context of their statement(s) is dishonest.

And you did not answer my 9:00 PM question.

Should I assume that if your son’s health insurance was made affordable, you would call yourself a “responsible” parent for not buying it?

That was the point of Obama’s statement — make children’s health care affordable, so that responsible parents could buy it.

We are all in the same room whether we like it or not. We need to find common ground.

I don’t think most Americans, liberal Americans, democrats really want to run all us evil conservatives (and republicans)up a flagpole and shoot us. I think JR, you are a minority within your own party.

I’ve said all along, both parties are using us as blue and red team members. They both thrive on the hate and division. Gives them someone to point at.

Obama wants to get beyond all that.

Oh cosmos does.

Get a room and find something to agree on.

“I’ll admit to not researching it.”

That’s very obvious.

You falsely put paraphrases inside quote marks, and completely dropped the very important surrounding context.

But I THINK what you have found Rox is Obama’s retread and explanation of his original comments.

Comments that Senator Clinton called him on in debate. Just like she called on him to denounce a radical affiliation.

I’m sorry. I don’t trust this.

A guy from nowhere makes ONE speech, gets sunshine pumped up his skirt, a total media pass for almost a year, and now stands on the threshold of the Dem nomination?

I have to believe there is something behind it. Obama is SO insubstantial. So clueless as to politics.

I am particularly troubled by the arrogance of some of his supporters and his own wife.

These are people who have made it. These are people who embrace “yes we can!” but want to reach out to the very folks who say “yes! you did! I did too! Join me and forget about the folks left behind.”

Maybe it is the old union steward in me and inherited from my father that thinks we NEED a fighter and not a talker. I am just not good with diplomacy.

And why SHOULD we be? The Republican party is collapsing. They are losing in areas they haven’t in decades. We don’t HAVE to work with them.

What do they have that we want any part of?

That’s exactly what I was thinking when reading BlueJay’s paraphrase and the reason I wanted to check it out. The word “good” or anything synonymous was nowhere to be seen.

There’s a difference between praising someone for having ideas and praising the idea itself. Obama is doing the former – and just as clearly not doing the latter. He says the GOP approach has “played itself out,” for example.

It’s also false to imply – as Clinton did – that Obama endorsed Republican proposals to set up private Social Security accounts or that he praised deficit spending. We listened to the entire 49-minute interview, and Obama said no such thing.

Fact Check goes after both Clinton and Obama on this and other remarks they’ve both made. It’s worth taking a look at.

Obama: I don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I mean, I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not, and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path, because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the ’60s and the ’70s, you know government had grown and grown, but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating, and I think people just tapped into - he tapped into what people were already feeling, which is we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism, and, and, you know, entrepreneurship that had been missing.

“I think Kennedy, 20 years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times. I think we’re in one of those times right now, where people feels like things as they are going right now aren’t working, that we’re bogged down in the same arguments that we’ve been having, and they’re not useful. And the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.

“Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, it’s all tax cuts. Well, we know, we’ve done that; we’ve tried it. That’s not really going to solve our energy problems, for example.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/clinton-obama_slugfest.html

“The Republican approach has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, it’s all tax cuts. Well, we know, we’ve done that; we’ve tried it. That’s not really going to solve our energy problems, for example.”