As expected, Hillary Clinton won big in the West Virginia primary Tuesday. Though it didn’t change the math - Barack Obama still leads in states won, pledged delegates, popular vote and superdelegates (with more committed superdelegates added today) - the landslide win gave Clinton another emotional boost. Her only hope of winning now rests with getting the Florida and Michigan delegations seated at the convention - which she again called for during her victory speech Tuesday night.
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Clinton was aided by the fact Obama only made one appearance in the state. Obama is focusing his campaign on battling McCain.
“She will be ahead in the popular vote and within 100 delegates by the time the primaries are over,” said Terry McAuliffe, a top Clinton adviser, according to the Charleston Gazette.”
Interesting prediction - and it gives a good benchmark to judge Clinton’s position come June 3.
There is a Sucker born every minute.
I wonder if the Supreme Court will decide the Florida and Michigan delegates will count…
A compromise will be fashioned for FL and MI.
True ben. MI and FL will be addressed. June 3, she will have an argument. From what I see, the tangibles could be: Number of states, obama. Number of delegates, obama. Popular vote, clinton (maybe). Electability, look at the map. There are lots of different scenarios that the dems could use to get some of Dubya’s states from 2004.
Well, the dems are basically screwed! Their party is split and niether of their candidates will have the lock on November.
A lot of Hillary’s voters will defect to McCain if Obama gets the nod and a lot of Obama’s voters will not care to participate if the Clinton machine steals it.
Screwed!
HEHEHEHE
Don’t worry, Hank, the McBush train wreck will start after the democrat convention:-)
I recall a poster letting us know just how MORE democratic the democratic nomination process is. Just a few months ago.
How “democratic” are super delegates deciding your vote?
Because the only “odds” favoring Hillary can be is if the super-delegates nominate her.
“Because the only “odds” favoring Hillary can be is if the super-delegates nominate her.”
Not really. Her campaign set the goal: “She will be ahead in the popular vote and within 100 delegates by the time the primaries are over,” said Terry McAuliffe, a top Clinton adviser, according to the Charleston Gazette.”
So - IF she has the larger popular vote total then under the concept of ’small-d’ democracy she has a claim to the nomination. If Obama has the larger vote total then she can make a reasonably graceful exit.
HER advisor set the bar - the largest popular vote total.
“Barack Obama still leads in states won…. ”
Here let me help ya Phil.
“that NO Democrat can win in the fall.”
Comes word now that Edwards will jump under the Obama train.
I never liked him anyway. Too phony.
I’ll settle for Clinton or whoever emerges from a convention floor fight.
Like maybe Al Gore!
Obama? No. I have to vote for someone I trust and believe in.
Wonder what (if any) affect John Edwards endorsement will have?
His 19 delegates will also go to Obama, along with his recommendation.
I wasn’t really certain on that Linda. So Obama DOES get Edwards delegates?
I suppose between the delegates, the endorsement and the endorsement of NARAL, Obama certainly got some good news today
From what I just read Linda, it looks like Edward’s delegates are basically “free agents” to choose whom they like. I suppose they could go to Hillary.
Thanks for clearing that up and correcting my post! I appreciate it.
True Ben, but then the Asetric on Michigan. Obama played that one pretty smart.
I supported Hillary Clinton, although my preference was Barack Obama, until she pulled that bullshit about seating the Michigan and Florida delegates.
She agreed, in WRITING, that neither Florida or Michigan delegates would count.
Let that sink in, Clinton supporters.
She agreed, in WRITING, that neither Florida or Michigan delegates would count.
As soon as she fell behind in the race (not before) she began campaigning that we HAD to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates.
We HAD to do it!
If those delegates had been for Obama, she would have used just the opposite argument.
She is a hypocrite.
Agreed WSC. This is how I see the end game playing out:
Obama ends up with more popular votes - that quashes Terry McAuliffe’ scenario. She is effectively finished. Then, a compromise is reached for MI and FL - perhaps along the lines I suggested before. That narrows the gap slightly but with Obama getting about 40% there he still closes in on the ‘magic number’. Then, with the ‘Supers’ - he goes over the top.
Clinton will NOT be the VP candidate. She and Obama are simply too similar. Obama needs someone with military or foreign policy credentials - perhaps Richardson of Webb. Clinton will have a better shot at power as Senate Majority Leader.
And Obama is, as of this hour, DEFINITELY unelectable.
He had ONE card to play.
Edwards was his ace in the hole.
And John Edwards has effectively ended his political career as well.
By doing this today, after Obama got a thumping in West Virginia, Obama has stuck his finger in the eye of Clinton supporters.
An INCREDIBLE political blunder to do that.
As I watched him goof on stage just now?
I HATED him.
My mom said she felt much the same.
It’s not too late to choose the candidate that can win. That’s why it’s gonna go to the convention.
I wonder if Florida and Michigan will remember that Obama did not want them to count?
BlueJay - unless Terry McAuliffe’s scenario plays out it will NOT go to the convention.
BlueJay - I wonder if Florida and Michigan will remember that Clinton did not want them to count? Until she did.
“She agreed, in WRITING, that neither Florida or Michigan delegates would count.”
Obama is a Republican panderer.
Richardson is Republican lite. He never met a business he didn’t like.
Unless the super delegates are wise, we are about to witness the biggest electoral disaster/deception in history.
And Obama, AGAINST the same rules, ran ads in Florida prior to that primary that was not supposed to count.
But the media doesn’t say much about that.
BlueJay - I realize that you are bitter over your defeat. But consider: McCain? As for Obama’s pamdering to Republicans - that is pretty much only to those labeled as RINOs by the Neocons.
BlueJay, Both Senators Clinton and Obama agreed the delegates from those two states would not be seated, would not count.
When Senator Clinton fell behind and then decided what she had agreed to couldn’t be, and private money was offered to hold a revote (in Florida) Obama said IF it could be a fair revote he was all for it. He did not oppose the revote, but did insist that all Floridians have the opportunity to vote — including those who were serving in the military, absent from their Florida homes for other reasons… And they said it couldn’t be done, there wasn’t time, etc. You are telling a very small part of the story when you accuse Obama of not wanting the revote.
Defeat?
Who’s beat? This isn’t over.
Honest truth? I think Obama sees himself as the black Ronald Reagan.
Hey things are about as bad for me as they can get. I’ve little to lose. And Obama already is in favor of paving me over.
If Senator Clinton is not the nominee? The party will have made a fatal mistake whether Obama or McCain wins.
I got no dog that fight.
How many fund raisers did Senator Clinton hold in Florida? Not officially called campaigning, but if you really look into the whole situation instead of picking the parts you want to see, you’ll see a much more complete and truthful story.
“And Obama already is in favor of paving me over.”
How’s that?
And as to all this concern as to rules.
Do you think the cons give a care about rules?
I’ll go back to this:
bth
Posted May 14, 2008 at 1:22 pm | Permalink
“She will be ahead in the popular vote and within 100 delegates by the time the primaries are over,” said Terry McAuliffe, a top Clinton adviser, according to the Charleston Gazette.”
Interesting prediction - and it gives a good benchmark to judge Clinton’s position come June 3.
If Clinton can pull that off she has a claim at the convention. But if she cannot she will concede.
“Do you think the cons give a care about rules?”
Of course not.
“Under my plan, a parent who did not have health insurance for their child would be irresponsible.”
Barack Obama
“I think that in the 80’s, the Republicans were the party of ideas.”
(paraphrasing Obama)
Ya know, it’s all well and good to be overly concerned about the rules. But it is a little naive in the face of the enemy we are facing.
But then, Obama supporters have that little problem with enemy identification.
I fell kinda like farmgrrl here.
I don’t trust Obama. I think it’s his idea to out Reagan Reagan.
And McCain? I have nothing to lose if he wins. I’m too old to send to war and my kid wouldn’t go.
I won’t ever be needing an abortion.
I’m confident the super delegates will make the right decision.
In this case, no decision.
None of them wants strong light on them. Better to share that light at convention.
Too, the supers have to look out for themselves.
The supers will
1) Want to back the person they best think can win. That is their purpose.
2) The supers where Senator Clinton won are generally in places where Democrats win. They will not want to anger their local voters. The supers in places where Obama won are in states where a Dem has to pander to survive (see Kathy Sebelius in Kansas)
It aint over.
BlueJay - I agree in part. I think many of the supers will ‘keep their powder dry’ until after June 3. However, if Obama kas the most votes I think he will end up with the nomination.
After the 60s there was a dramatic realignment as the old “Solid Democratic south” became the Republican South. I suspect that we will see a lot of shifts this election - BOTH McCain and Obama are ‘non-traditional’ within their respective parties. However, Mccain will be saddled with his wars.
See, that’s the thing Ben.
When you think about it, the Edwards endorsement really isn’t that big a deal.
I don’t UNDERSTAND it. Obama staying undamaged as long as he did hurt Edwards more than anyone.
But Edwards isn’t running for anything. He suffers nothing for this.
There is a reason I think, why the real big guns like Al Gore have not endorsed.
You’ve been pretty middle of the road ben. Maybe you can see what the Obama folks can’t or won’t.
I looked all over for a re run of Senator Clinton’s speech from last night. It just isn’t being shown.
But this Edwards thing I am sure they will run into the ground.
There is a fundamental unfairness and bias to it that just rubs me wrong. It just doesn’t seem healthy.
You are delusional, JR. Go have a cigarette and calm down.
BlueJay - I suspect that Clinton’s personal baggage - coupled with simple fatigue - hurt her in the primaries. I like Hillary Clinton - in fact I was torn at caucus deciding who to support. the thing is - they don’t really differ much in their positions. In fact, that is part of what made things nasty - they had to go after personalities since there really aren’t many policy differences. And that is what frustrated me so much - it is like watching two friends fight.
I think clinton sees a likely end too; that is why her tone has changed - as has Obama’s. They both realize that they are not the enemy - McBush is! Read my other comments above about ‘RINOs’ etc. I don’t foresee Obama caving in to the CONs - I DO, however, see BOTH him AND Senate Majority Leader Clinton working with ‘Hagel types’ to break filibusters. Remember, we have to have 60 votes; I suspect we will have about 56 democrats.
““Under my plan, a parent who did not have health insurance for their child would be irresponsible.”
Barack Obama” CONTEXT! I think he is referring to people like me who can well afford it. And, given the current reality, I agree with him. On the other hand, those who cannot AFFORD such health insurance would be covered by Obama’s plans.
On that last comment - IF I were only ‘looking out for number one’ in the short term I shou vote Republican. However, I see a bigger picture and support the democrats - even though I am CERTAIN that they will raise MY taxes. My fiscal conservatism requires that; just as it prohibited me taking out one of those fancy monster mortgages.
BlueJay,
If health insurance for your son was affordable, would you call yourself a “responsible” parent for not buying it?
“I think that in the 80’s, the Republicans were the party of ideas.”
BlueJay,
You said the above is paraphrasing, correct? Is there any way you or someone can find the exact quote? It would be a tremendous help.
Never mind. I found it myself.
“The Republican approach has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom. Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, it’s all tax cuts. Well, we know, we’ve done that; we’ve tried it. That’s not really going to solve our energy problems, for example.”
Obama’s Reagan Remarks to Reno Gazette-Journal, Jan. 14, 2008
Obama: I don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I mean, I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not, and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path, because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like, you know, with all the excesses of the ’60s and the ’70s, you know government had grown and grown, but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating, and I think people just tapped into - he tapped into what people were already feeling, which is we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism, and, and, you know, entrepreneurship that had been missing.
“I think Kennedy, 20 years earlier, moved the country in a fundamentally different direction. So I think a lot of it just has to do with the times. I think we’re in one of those times right now, where people feels like things as they are going right now aren’t working, that we’re bogged down in the same arguments that we’ve been having, and they’re not useful. And the Republican approach, I think, has played itself out. I think it’s fair to say that the Republicans were the party of ideas for a pretty long chunk of time there over the last 10, 15 years, in the sense that they were challenging conventional wisdom.
“Now, you’ve heard it all before. You look at the economic policies when they’re being debated among the presidential candidates, it’s all tax cuts. Well, we know, we’ve done that; we’ve tried it. That’s not really going to solve our energy problems, for example.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/clinton-obama_slugfest.html
Note a comment on FactCheck:
There’s a difference between praising someone for having ideas and praising the idea itself. Obama is doing the former – and just as clearly not doing the latter. He says the GOP approach has “played itself out,” for example.
It’s also false to imply – as Clinton did – that Obama endorsed Republican proposals to set up private Social Security accounts or that he praised deficit spending. We listened to the entire 49-minute interview, and Obama said no such thing.
Fact Check goes after both Clinton and Obama on this and other remarks they’ve both made. It’s worth taking a look at.
thanks Pre. It’s like Time’s ‘man of the year’ - doesn’t mean the person was GOOD; just that he had a big impact.
Ben,
That’s exactly what I was thinking when reading BlueJay’s paraphrase and the reason I wanted to check it out. The word “good” or anything synonymous was nowhere to be seen.
Very correct. I also agree that Reagan espoused ideas. BAD ideas in my opinion (for example deficit spending) but ideas none-the-less. Bush has ideas too - such as the idea that if we destroy a few countries they will love us!
I’ll admit to not researching it.
But I THINK what you have found Rox is Obama’s retread and explanation of his original comments.
Comments that Senator Clinton called him on in debate. Just like she called on him to denounce a radical affiliation.
I’m sorry. I don’t trust this.
A guy from nowhere makes ONE speech, gets sunshine pumped up his skirt, a total media pass for almost a year, and now stands on the threshold of the Dem nomination?
I have to believe there is something behind it. Obama is SO insubstantial. So clueless as to politics.
I am particularly troubled by the arrogance of some of his supporters and his own wife.
These are people who have made it. These are people who embrace “yes we can!” but want to reach out to the very folks who say “yes! you did! I did too! Join me and forget about the folks left behind.”
Maybe it is the old union steward in me and inherited from my father that thinks we NEED a fighter and not a talker. I am just not good with diplomacy.
And why SHOULD we be? The Republican party is collapsing. They are losing in areas they haven’t in decades. We don’t HAVE to work with them.
What do they have that we want any part of?
I think it shows great character and wisdom for Mr. Obama to reach out to all sides. He can be the uniter we have all been looking for.
BlueJay posted May 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm
“I’ll admit to not researching it.”
That’s very obvious.
You falsely put paraphrases inside quote marks, and completely dropped the very important surrounding context.
Anyone who is supposed to be on my side want to unite with “American way”?
Oh cosmos does.
Get a room and find something to agree on.
“Get a room and find something to agree on.”
We are all in the same room whether we like it or not. We need to find common ground.
I don’t think most Americans, liberal Americans, democrats really want to run all us evil conservatives (and republicans)up a flagpole and shoot us. I think JR, you are a minority within your own party.
I’ve said all along, both parties are using us as blue and red team members. They both thrive on the hate and division. Gives them someone to point at.
Obama wants to get beyond all that.
BlueJay,
Misquoting people, and dropping the context of their statement(s) is dishonest.
And you did not answer my 9:00 PM question.
Should I assume that if your son’s health insurance was made affordable, you would call yourself a “responsible” parent for not buying it?
That was the point of Obama’s statement — make children’s health care affordable, so that responsible parents could buy it.
I did not misquote.
And my honesty has never been questioned here.
Until now. By an Obama supporter.
My son is on Health wave. Presumably Obama wants to sublimate that.
You cannot imagine the hoops I have to jump through just so my kid has health care.
Nor do I imagine you much care.
BlueJay posted May 14, 2008 at 11:40 pm
“I did not misquote.”
Okay… then prove it.
Post the links to the paraphrases you posted at 7:03 PM.
Post the entire statement Obama made about reducing the cost of children’s health insurance, so that responsible parents could afford it. And the link.
But BlueJay probably wont do that. It seems that he’d rather attack Obama, and other people, than look at the facts.
Sorry I’m late, but I can’t go to bed without commenting, even if no one reads it, which they won’t.
But I THINK what you have found Rox is Obama’s retread and explanation of his original comments.
Nope, I’m 99.9% sure you’re wrong about the retread. I used your paraphrase with Google, found a board (or blog) discussing it with links, which took me to Fact Check. There’s nothing saying it was “old stuff rehashed”, and I don’t recall it was. Not that particular topic, at least.
A guy from nowhere makes ONE speech, gets sunshine pumped up his skirt, a total media pass for almost a year, and now stands on the threshold of the Dem nomination?
Which ONE speech are you referring to, since there have been many? ONE speech has not brought people to where we are today. It’s the culmination of many speeches. And he certainly hasn’t gotten a pass, but Hillary has gotten the worst. Blame that “liberal” MSM.
So clueless as to politics.
Huh? Go back and re-read what Obama said. Then think about it. Granted, you weren’t around when JFK ran, but there’s been enough footage and coverage to be in the know on it. Same for Reagan. Obama nailed the thoughts of the voters at the time. I think the reason you think Obama knows nothing is because he’s not looking at it with the same jaded eyes we’ve been using for the past too many years.
…we NEED a fighter and not a talker.
You want fisticuffs, because you’re angry. What does fighting prove? Who can punch the best? Doesn’t mean that person is right. And I’m reserving a definitive opinion until we see a head to head with McCain. I think Obama will fight when the time comes, although maybe not ever as down and dirty as you’d like to see. Time will tell, but it’s clear you’ll never be satisfied.
And why SHOULD we be? The Republican party is collapsing. They are losing in areas they haven’t in decades. We don’t HAVE to work with them.
Why shouldn’t we be willing to talk? That’s how things get accomplished, not by slinging mud and digging in our heels at each and every opportunity. There are times for diplomacy, there are times for heel digging. I’ve said it before, but I’ll repeat it again. The b.s. we’ve had for too many years, during too many presidents and congresses must stop. The Founding Fathers set up the three branches of gov’t for a reason, and we’ve seen what happens when one branch gets all the power. We’ve seen what happens when one PARTY has all the power in Congress. Either nothing gets done or we get the shaft. Things must be worked out to everyone’s benefit, not just yours or mine. Compromise is something we teach our children, yet too many of us aren’t willing to do it ourselves. Compromise is not losing. Losing is not willing to compromise. Isn’t the disintegration of the Republican party proof enough of that?
You cannot imagine the hoops I have to jump through just so my kid has health care.
Oh, really? I think I have a vividly clear idea what hoops you jump through. But I’ll jump through hoops of fire, if that’s what it takes, for my child to be able to receive health care when needed. BlueJay, I understand you’re a single parent. So am I. And when I became one, I had THREE kids and no job, and their father didn’t carry insurance on them and hadn’t for over a year. It became MY responsibility, even before I left the marriage. And when my youngest broke her wrist, I was the one who dealt with it with no insurance. I think I understand very well how it is.
If you want to read into things only what you want to see, then feel free to do so. Each of us sees things from our own perspective. It’s human nature. But if McCain wins because you have a stick up your you-know-what about Obama, then I will hold you responsible for your part in it. If Hillary wins the nomination, she will get my vote, although she has never been my choice.
Cross me off your list, JR, because that’s what you’ve done to the rest of us. Your bitterness is not becominng.
Good comments, “Predestined” –
I know a few people like “BlueJay” who are so frustrated by Republic Party tactics, basically since the Gingrich Revolution of 1994. From Ken Starr to Tom DeLay to Karl Rove and Scalia and Shrub and Cheney etc… for so long, they can’t see straight. He seems hung up mostly on Obama’s appeal to bipartisanship. Thinks it’s naive, too idealistic, pie-in-the-sky. Frankly, given what the SCOTUS is doing and Shrub is doing and what DeLay did and what Cheney and Rove want to do, I can’t totally dismiss “BlueJay’s” trepidations entirely out of hand. But he borders on nutso in some of his diatribes.
His virulent anti-Obama rhetoric simply makes me shake my head. Six months ago, when there was Byden and Dodd and Kucinich and Edwards and Clinton and Obama and, and… (well, Mike Gravel, not so much)… and I was damned proud to be a Democrat. I’d be proud if any of ‘em became the next President of the United States.
All these weekly primaries later and I’m still proud to call myself a Democrat. I’ll vote for either Clinton or Obama in November without any compunctions. It’s the way it’s gotta be.
“BlueJay” reminds me of Richard Farina’s book, “Been Down So Long it Looks Like Up to Me.”
Did he object, a few weeks ago, when the “Gaffe du jour” was “bitterness-gate?” I don’t recall. But it would have been ironic. He seems like the guy Barrack was talking about.
Did you ever see the movie “Election?” Reese Witherspoon, I think and… some guy. She plays Hillary Clinton in the movie, set in a high school about a student council election. You kinda admire Hillary’s sticktoitiveness, but it’s wearing thin.
What’s really odd about “BlueJay” is that he doesn’t seem to be particularly pro-Hillary, just anti-Obama.
Go figure.
Some people have issues. Others have subscriptions.
“In battle if at all possible you leave your opponent a way of saving face in losing”, Would it have truly hurt anything to left Hillary have her day in the sun after W.V.? Edwards endorsing Obama should have waited till Thursday or next week. The division has become that strong that it needs time to adjust to the outcome.
It was pointed out a few days ago but deserve reminding, for the DNC to back down and allow Florida and Michigan to count after its ruling. Would mean that the DNC becomes nothing more than a paper tiger, both States knew the rules and penalties and chose to ignore them. They will become like the parent whom keeps saying to the child. “If you do that you will be in big trouble… I mean it if you keep doing that.. seriously if you keep doing that…”.
“Which ONE speech are you referring ”
Democratic national convention 2004.
Obama made a pretty speech. And somewhere, someone decided this qualified him to be President.
I want to know who that was and what their agenda is. Similar behind the scenes forces are responsible for giving us bush.
”
Kennedy is cited. He used to be a hero of mine.
JOHN Kennedy was a lousy President. He started the march toward the division between the have mores and have nothings with his tax cuts. The only reason Kennedy was not hounded on his philandering was the press at the time was more discreet.
“And I’m reserving a definitive opinion until we see a head to head with McCain.”
It’ll be a little late then won’t it?
“Why shouldn’t we be willing to talk? That’s how things get accomplished, not by slinging mud and digging in our heels at each and every opportunity. There are times for diplomacy,”
We have been retreating for 25 years! What else would you care to negotiate away? Geez all that is left is letting the cons ban sex or require gun ownership. Maybe let them pave over a national park or three.
“But if McCain wins because you have a stick up your you-know-what about Obama, then I will hold you responsible for your part in it.”
It’s perfect aint it Rox? You have no responsibility at all.
If Obama loses, it’s MY fault. Or Hillary’s fault! Or racist America’s fault!
It COULDN’T be that in your naive wishing for peace that you’ve bought a loser.
“Cross me off your list, JR, because that’s what you’ve done to the rest of us. Your bitterness is not becominng.”
For you? DONE. But don’t accuse me of dissing my friends. It aint MY candidate wants to sell out on friends to work with the enemy. And I’ll take kfg as a friend over you any day of the week. Your naivete is an anchor on the party’s ass keeping us from squashing the enemy for once and all. Send me the occasional postcard from la la land.
And Monkeyhawk says…
“Did he object, a few weeks ago, when the “Gaffe du jour” was “bitterness-gate?” I don’t recall. But it would have been ironic. He seems like the guy Barrack was talking about.
EXACTLY. Like you Obama supporters, Obama is arrogan and condescending. I have as bad or worse than anyone. But I don’t run to a 2000 year old storybook or hide under the bed with a gun.
It aint over yet. But if SOME Democrats are ready willing and able to make the biggest mistake in history? Count me out.
Oh yeah. You and Barack already did.
But get over yourselves while you are at it. In Kansas, your vote means nothing.
“Under my plan, a parent who did not have health insurance for their child would be irresponsible. - Barack Obama
Should I assume that if your son’s health insurance was made affordable, you would call yourself a “responsible” parent for not buying it?
That was the point of Obama’s statement — make children’s health care affordable, so that responsible parents could buy it.”
My husband and I were applying for a new home loan, and according to “them” (the banks, credit bureaus, etc) we could “afford” a loan for $243,000 for a new home. In REAL LIFE we can afford about $110,000. They don’t take in account grocery bills, gas, school fees, etc. just credit cards, and loans that show up on your credit report.
I will be VERY interested to see what Barack Obama THINKS my family CAN AFFORD for health insurance under his plan….
He isn’t even President yet.
He isn’t even the nominee.
But already come the hints. Find a way to blame the victim.
Mark my words. Obama wants to be the black Ronald Reagan. He’ll real quick shift to telling folks they can find hope and change AND a pony!
If the just dig a little deeper in the horse sh&^.
jomama,
Is your family insured?
Count yourself lucky to be able to afford a $110,000 house. A lot of people can’t.
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