Hillary Clinton is still on the defensive about her comment last week noting how Robert Kennedy had been assassinated in June. How could she think the comment wouldn’t raise concerns about Barack Obama being assassinated? Nearly 6 in 10 Americans (and more than 8 in 10 African-Americans) have worried that someone would try to harm Obama if he were the nominee, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll taken in March.
Clinton’s non-apology apology didn’t help: “I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive.†So it is other people’s fault if they thought the comment was inappropriate?
Meanwhile, speaking of inappropriate, here is a clip of a Fox News contributor who accidentally messed up Obama’s and Osama bin Laden’s names, then laughingly suggested that both of them should be knocked off. Ha, ha.
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Phillip,
You of all people should be ashamed of yourself.
You don’t care about the meaning of words, so why play the hypocrite here as if you do?
Over and over again you headline threads with “torture” in the title when the subject is talking about interrogation techniques.
Perhaps you should look at your own dishonest word play before you mock others in the media?
“both of them should be knocked off. Ha, ha.”
And just what IS the meaning Nathan?
“(and more than 8 in 10 African-Americans)”
Big deal. That’s the same number who think OJ didn’t do it.
Ben,
You are no better on this subject.
You can’t even use the word Hostage appropriately.
bth, if you see something on Fox news, it means as you were flipping through the channels the batteries in the channel changer when dead at the worst possible time.!
A friend of mine would call that “edge Humor” that is when you say something that is offensive about someone that you really believe or how you actually feel about them. Than if they do take offense you play it off as you were just kiddy and they need to get a sense of humor.
I see a lot of it on the cable news channels.
It appears that Brownlee is still ’stumping’ for Obama.
Makes one curious about the Eagle. Used to be against the Eagle rules to display a bumper sticker promoting a political candidate.
Now, one can in the employee of the Eagle, editorialize and make statements supporting a political candidate and against others they don’t like.
Guess the blur between reporting the news and editorializing just got to maximum blur.
employee=employ
No nathan – you are the one with incorrect useage.
OOPS – I forgot. Nathan is ALWAYS right!
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/the-curse-of-ham-why-barack-hussein-oboma-will-never-be-president/
I remember in the 60s the vitriol against JFK by self-described Christians that preceeeded his assasination. Now this sort of hate-writing by self-described Christians.
Well, thats one for Olbermann to go off on tonite!! Worst Persons in the World!!!! LOL I hope he tears Faux a new one!! They deserve it for allowing that on the air, especially after Hillary’s comments last week!
I heard where Sen. Graham has said he thinks it would be good for Sens. McCain and Obama to go visit Iraq together…. So what?? So he can arange to have them hit with IED, and then step into the Rep. nomination, and beat Hillary?? Sounds a little fishy to me!!
I wonder why DHS isnt investigating the comment made on Faux News?? My bet is that if that would have been said about McCain, there would be a firestorm of Reps calling for a full scale investigation!!
I think the “cap was left off the toothpaste” moment is getting closer. That will distract the media and they can play for days the question of how someone running for the free world’s highest office could possibly…
It was absolutely obvious what Senator Clinton said and meant.
It was equally clear what the Fox news contributor said and meant! She should be arrested!
Ben, that link you posted — Gee I think some who post on this Blog would like that link — I mean REALLY like it!! What a bunch of trash!!
I agree Linda… totally!!
“I wonder why DHS isnt investigating the comment made on Faux News??”
Isn’t DHS part of the Executive Branch? Maybe THAT explains it.
Well, now that you mention it, that would explain it Ben!! LOL
Clinton’s non-apology apology didn’t help: “I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive.” So it is other people’s fault if they thought the comment was inappropriate?
• By Phillip Brownlee
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Yes, I AGREE that it is other people’s fault if they thought the comment was inappropriate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALL SHE WAS POINTING OUT WAS THAT BOBBY WAS ASSASSINATED IN JUNE WHILE HE WAS STILL CAMPAIGNING!
Then there is this from the straight (not so much) talk express:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c
While I do not like Hillary, and do not support her campaign for the nomination, I wonder why this stor has the legs it does. While it may hav been politically not a great point in her career, neither does it seem to me to be the horror it is being painted as. I guess I just missed something.
Stupid yeah, but this thing has gone on for days. No reason I can see.
Ben,
I have admitted that I have made mistakes many times on this blog, apologized when I have crossed the line in things said, and I even admit when I was wrong on something.
I don’t believe I can say the same for some others here.
Nope, my being right or wrong has nothing to do with your using the word Hostage to further your political mischaracterizations of Israel.
You ran away from the discussion and still refused to explain how those children are being held Hostage.
You want to give it another go here?
Looking at the RFK comment itself – I remember that assasination all too well and the chaos that followed. Clinton has a valid point that we should always be prepared for such a horrible contindency.
I never ran away. They are being held hostage because israel demands that the Palestinian people meekly submit to perpetual occupation as a condition for their release.
How are israeli soldiers captured and held by Lebanese or Palestinians hostages?
But, of course, since Israel can do no wrong …
But no nathan – I never ‘ran away’
Ben,
When did Israel ever issue those demands?
Please show me where any spokesman of Israel has ever said such a thing.
What is your proof?
You are just making this stuff up.
“A hostage is a person or entity which is held by a captor. The original definition meant that this was handed over by one of two belligerent parties to the other or seized as security for the carrying out of an agreement, or as a preventive measure against certain acts of war”
A Palestinian child is a person. Israel is a captor. They are help as security for surrender and/or as a ‘preventative”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage
Ben,
I don’t know the particulars of each and every soldier captured, but I believe that those captured are being used as Hostages to secure the release of prisoners held in Israel.
That would be the text book definition of the word.
The captors of those soldiers issue demands to be met before they are released.
OK Nathan – then you tell ME why Israel holds hundreds of Children and thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese. And again – do you use the term hostage to describe the Israeli soldiers?
We will agree to disagree. I will continue to maintain that I use the terms correctly. IF, however, you will agree that Israeli soldiers caprured by Palestinians and/or Lebanese are NOT hostages (as the US always refers to them) then I might reconsider.
Ben,
Please show me where Israel has said that they are holding those children for:
“They are help as security for surrender and/or as a ‘preventative.”
Prisoner exchanges are routine in time of war.
Then why IS Israel holding them? And how many (if any) were captured INSIDE Israel?
Ben,
The CLEAR difference is that the captors of those soldiers are purposefully taking them to hold them as Hostage to secure the release of prisoners.
When has Israel ever said such things about those they hold prisoner?
Israel takes people prisoner who have attacked them. Period.
So, please show me your evidence for how Israel is holding these children hostage?
Otherwise, you are just making this stuff up.
Nathan – the vast majority have been captured in their homeland – very few in Israel. As for the Israeli soldiers – each and every one had attacked Palestinians or Lebanese.
You will never change my views on this – your hatred of Palestinians has blinded you to the fact that they have lived in bondage for generations. And, as long as the US actively opposes giving them freedon this condition will continue.
You constantly accuse me of hating Israel. THAT IS A LIE! I support Israel’s existence within its borders (the Green Line). I do, however, oppse their covetousness of Palestinian land. Bush CLAIMS he supports a two-state solution (which I support) but he meanwhile supports Israeli siezure of the land on which the palestinian state must be established.
Obviously the Israeli government is smart enough to keep their story that “these people we siezed from their homes were attacking us” but the afct remains that they have been captured in Palestine; not in Israel.
And Palestinian captured INSIDE israel should be held as a POW. However, israel denies tham that status as well. Israel claims that their treatment of them is an “internal affair”
Ben,
Yes, prisoner exchanges can be routine in time of war.
However, you have yet to show me any shred of proof of how Israel takes children prisoner for the purpose of securing the release of their soldiers being held as prisoner.
On the other hand, when Israeli soldiers are taken prisoner, thier captors issue clear demands for the release of other prisoners.
They are using them as Hostages.
Show me how Israel is doing that with these children?
Actually, I still have yet to concede that these “children” are anything more than teenagers who have been trained to kill people by the Palestinians.
Perhaps if the Palestinians stopped using their children to blow up innocent people or to attack Soldiers they wouldn’t be taken prisoner.
Ben,
To be a POW (and get that official status) you must meet the criteria set forth in the geneva conventions .
Non-uniformed combatants who have no rank structure or identifiable chain of command are given no rights as POW’s.
I see that you now admit that you can’t prove your lies:
“Obviously the Israeli government is smart enough to keep their story that “these people we siezed from their homes were attacking us” but the afct remains that they have been captured in Palestine; not in Israel.”
So obviously you are speculating about the intentions of Israel because you have no proof.
No, ben, I don’t hate anyone. I simply grow tired of your constant twisting of facts.
“the vast majority have been captured in their homeland – very few in Israel. ”
“but the afct remains that they have been captured in Palestine; not in Israel.”
Pretty much sums it up. If you don’t like calling the Israelis hostage takers, maybe terrorist is a better word. What else would you call someone that invades a sovereign land and ‘takes prisoners’?
UN should Condemn Israeli Torture and Hostage-Taking
(Geneva, 15 July 1998)
— On the eve of Israel’s first-ever report to the United Nations’ Human Rights Committee, Human Rights Watch strongly criticized Israel’s use of torture and its detention of individuals as hostages. It also called on the UN body to condemn Israel’s human rights violations, and to request additional information on Israel’s implementation of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).
http://hrw.org/english/docs/1998/07/15/isrlpa1214.htm
Ben,
Why does Kansas hold thousands of children in Detention Centers?
They broke the law?
SolDevVB,
I see you can’t add anything to the discussion to show how they are hostages either.
I do not deny that Israel has taken prisoners.
The definition of “Hostage” is not dependant upon the territory or location of the abduction.
The term Hostage is dependant upon the “reason” for that capture and/or the terms for the release of the person captured.
So where they were taken has nothing to do with them being Hostages or not.
The Israeli forces break into the houses and damage their contents, lay waste to agricultural crops, and terrorize the people, most of whom are children, women and elderly persons, and subject them to interrogation. The occupation forces have also detained and thrown into prison scores of young male villagers and women, many of whom are less than 14 years old.
Those known to have been detained by the Israeli occupation forces and taken to Khiam detention centre include the following:
1. Ali Khalil Surur (20 years old). University student.
2. Samih Surur (23 years old). Assistant Director, police.
3. Hassan Musa Rada (15 years old). Student.
4. Muhammad Musa Rada (25 years old). Worker.
5. Muhammad Ni`mah Rada (15 years old).
Israel is detaining three other villagers from Ayta, namely, Nehme Houssein Daqduq, held since 1992, Mohammed Ahmad Hariss, held since 1997, and Muhammad al-Sayyid Muhammad, held since 1998.
The occupying forces and their collaborators have violated the security of scores of peaceful dwellings and damaged their contents; they have opened fire inside houses and terrorized children, women and elderly persons. Numerous enemy bulldozers patrol the streets and alleyways of the village, threatening to demolish houses, with a view to creating a state of panic and confusion in the village.
http://domino.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/f45643a78fcba719852560f6005987ad/c2d1ad52c909e4c2052567c8006df415!OpenDocument
Nathan – they are swept up from their homes. Perhaps if the Israelis stopped sending their soldiers into Palestine they wouldn’t be attacked. It is rare that an Israeli soldier – or any other Israeli – INSIDE Israel is ever attacked.
This sort of thing is a natural result of a generations-long hostile occupation of a people. The people resist; the occupier sweeps them up into camps. And BOTH sides suffer as a result. That is why the occupation MUST end. But, with the continuing annexation of land – which Bush supprts – that will not happen soon.
Nathan – it is obvious that you and I have irreconcilable views on this. I consider occupied people swept up by the occupyer as being hostages – that has been the case in previous wars when occupiers did that to keep the population under control. You consider the israelis to be justified in their occupation and subjugation of the Palestinian people and claim that if the palestinians will simply submit there will be “peace” (but no freedom).
Lets just agree to disagree.
Regular
Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink
Ben,
Why does Kansas hold thousands of children in Detention Centers?
They broke the law?
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And if the Mexican government took them Regular? Then what? Israel is occupying sovereign soil and taking ‘prisoners’.
Would you make the same statement as to Mexicans occupying Kansas and ‘taking prisoners’?
“Non-uniformed combatants who have no rank structure or identifiable chain of command are given no rights as POW’s.”
So, ANY civilian can be held at the whim of the occupier. Thanks for making that clear Nathan.
I think Nathan is right. The term hostage is usually employed when there is a ransom or some other instrumental gain held out as a way for the person’s return.
To hold someone captive with no stipulated demands for their release would not seem to meet the definition of “hostage”.
Hey, Ben, a stopped clock is correct twice per day.
Ben could make the argument for “wrongfully”, “illegally” imprisoned.
SolDevVB
Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:11 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink
Ben,
Why does Kansas hold thousands of children in Detention Centers?
They broke the law?
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And if the Mexican government took them Regular? Then what? Israel is occupying sovereign soil and taking ‘prisoners’.
Would you make the same statement as to Mexicans occupying Kansas and ‘taking prisoners’?
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If an American Kid went to Mexico and threw a rock at a Mexican solider, I suspect they would be held in detention until trial (whenever that may be.)
Sol – BBC showed film taken in Bethlehem of the IDF making a midnight raid into a home, terrorizing the family, trashing the place, and taking the father ‘prisoner’. Turns out they decided it was all a mistake; the man was, in fact, a policeman who they then expect to work WITH the Israelis. I wonder how enthusiastic he will be about helping those who trashed his home and terrorized his family?
As he should ne regular. And if a Palestinian kid WENT INTO ISREAL and did so he should be held. These people have been swept from their homes.
What crime, committed by a Kansan (?) in Kansas should be adjudicated by the Mexican Army?
Steven – we generally used the term hostage during WW2 for civilians who were held in order to frighten the population into submission.
If an American Kid went to Mexico and threw a rock at a Mexican solider, I suspect they would be held in detention until trial (whenever that may be.)
That isn’t the case. They were taken from their own sovereign soil.
bth
Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
As he should ne regular. And if a Palestinian kid WENT INTO ISREAL and did so he should be held. These people have been swept from their homes.
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Or was the crime done in occupied territories? :)
What was the number of Palestinian kids anyway? 40?
Give me some stats on how many Palestinian have been ’swept away from their actual physical structure homes.’
Or was it on the streets? Perhaps some street thuggery going on with these kids? (16-17 years
old)
Are you supporting juvenile deliquent behavior and assault bu Palestinian kids Ben? :)
How many prisoners are being held by the US Military from the ‘war on terror’? What are the stats? How many more ‘secret prisons’ are there and what are their stats?
No regular – if they commit a crime in Palestine they should be subject to arrest by Palestine. Not by Canada. Not by the US. Not by Israel.
SolDevVB
Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:19 pm | Permalink
If an American Kid went to Mexico and threw a rock at a Mexican solider, I suspect they would be held in detention until trial (whenever that may be.)
That isn’t the case. They were taken from their own sovereign soil.
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Sovereign soil. Actually, the British along with other countries provided the Palestinians with a sovereignity in Jordan.
The Palestinians are not a distinct Arab people, they are a hodge-podge of ethnic and religious groups.
Since when did Palestine become a sovereign state?
Sol – back to the thread – did you check out that website I posted with the Obama-Curse of Ham diatribe? Like I said – reminiscent of the JFK-hating of the early 60s (”no Pope here”)
Obama’s curse of coloredness
Stopped there. And they called Ron Paul a kook…
Reg. & Nate,
You are going about this wrong. You should Hate/Blame America and its Allies first. Get your mind right…(Left mind)
Sol – as I noted, I remember all too well the earlier assasinations (yes, I AM that old). And I remember all the “Whore of babylon” crap back then that we have seen again today. Such hatred “in the name of God” is especially dangerous.
What’s funny Anti, is that both Ben and Sol would be considered hostile Americans non-Muslim ‘White-Breads’ in Palestine and considered enemies, possibily with their lives in constant danger.
In Israel, both would be received warmly and treated as allied guests, as thousands of Americans are.
Imagine if someone said that about bush! They would be renditioned by now, or maybe just waterboarded at home.
Between this and the Huckster’s “joke” at the NRA about someone taking a shot at Barack Obama, sounds like the Right is dogwhistling for some crazy to “take out” the man who, in all likelihood, will be the next President of the United States.
If that doesn’t work, Cheney can always wait until late October to bomb Iran.
Correct Reg., It amazes me to no end that people sympathize with people who want to kill them. Not talk, not barter, nothing but want them dead.
But lets talk, lets have a conversation. (slice..gush….head roll)
“What’s funny Anti, is that both Ben and Sol would be considered hostile Americans non-Muslim ‘White-Breads’ in Palestine and considered enemies, possibily with their lives in constant danger.”
That is not what I have been told by some Americans who went there. Of course, they did not go there to occupy but to actually try to help the population. Then again, there was that girl who was killed when she was crushed by a bulldozer – by the IDF.
bth
Posted May 27, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink
“What’s funny Anti, is that both Ben and Sol would be considered hostile Americans non-Muslim ‘White-Breads’ in Palestine and considered enemies, possibily with their lives in constant danger.”
That is not what I have been told by some Americans who went there. Of course, they did not go there to occupy but to actually try to help the population. Then again, there was that girl who was killed when she was crushed by a bulldozer – by the IDF.
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And how many Israeli children have been blow up by Palestinians on their school buses and in cafes Ben?
Or does it matter to you Ben? They are just Jew boys and girls right?
“…civilians who were held in order to frighten the population into submission.”
I think technically, you could get by with this as the sought-after instrumental condition. It does seem to be a bit unusual in contrast to the usual use of the word “hostage”.
Ben,
Have you read this book:
http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781582434032-0
I would recommend it. It helps one ask the question, who is the enemy in Iraq today? It covers the the long history of the occupation of Iraq by various groups and the problems encountered.
Bremer and company thought occupying Iraq would be like occupying Germany and Japan. Steele explains the flaws in that thinking. He believes the more accurate model of occupying Iraq would be the occupation of Palestine.
From the book (page 246):
“Most occupations fail. In the Middle East they fail absolutely.”
Wrong as usual regular. I have repeated stated that any Palestinian going into Israel (without permission) should be captured and Imprisoned. The same should hold in the reverse direction.
And how many Palestinian children have been blown up by Israeli bombs and artillery shells?
“Or does it matter to you Regular? They are just Muslim boys and girls right?”
There is a possibility that Ben is a lifetime subscriber to Ed Friedemann’s newsletter. :)
Steven – and equally scary – Afghanistan; where the Soviet Empire fell. And the British before them. Kipling was right.
“There is a possibility, nay a certainty, that Regular is a lifetime subscriber to Brother Davis’s newsletter”
http://baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/the-curse-of-ham-why-barack-hussein-oboma-will-never-be-president/
I honestly believe that Mrs. Clinton did not mean she wished any harm towards Mr. Obama.
I will forgive her just as I forgave Mr. Obama’s comment about Church people with guns. Both are tired and this limits the brains filter from working properly.
Let it go.
2cents – well said. Time for another cup of coffee.
Then again – maybe just lay off the caffeine for a while!
;)
Again Ben, disingenuous.
That’s a website faking that it is Christian and it is not. Of course, you knew that didn’t you.
Michael Kinsley achieved political immortality when he said, “In Washington a ‘gaffe’ is when a politician unintentionally tells the truth.”
And frankly, Hillary is certainly not the first to consider that Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign in many ways echoes some of the optimism and enthusiasm RFK brought to the 1968 campaign.
But the parallels between 1968 and 2008 are far fewer. The first primary (New Hampshire) wasn’t held until late February and there were far few primaries in 1968. Bill Clinton already had an insurmountable lead after March, 1992 (Paul Tsongas still campaigned but Bubba was the acknowledged nominee by that time.)
Every time a campaign gets into discussing the Vice-Presidential candidate, the question of the President’s mortality becomes an unspoken consideration. And maybe that’s the the reason it was a gaffe. It was no longer unspoken.
She should’ve known better.
At this point, so much blood has been shed on both sides by the Zionists and the Palestinians, it’s hard to say which side is worse–the suicide bomber who blows up a bus or the aircraft that levels the town with a “daisy cutter.”
The idea that one side is wholly right and the other side wholly wrong is absurd on its face.
The question at this point is not who’s wrong and who’s to blame but how does civilized society exert pressure on both sides to come to a compromise they can live with and end the violence.
Uhm Ben…I think the site you linked to is a spoof site in the tradition of the Landover Baptist Church site (although it is more heavy handed).
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Here are other “editorials” from the site you linked to:
http://www.baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/the-white-house-is-call-that-for-a-dang-reason/
http://www.baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/please-send-up-prayers-for-a-tramp-that-done-know-hot-to-be-no-friend/
And here is their list of “top ten Christian Republicans”:
http://www.baptistsforbrown2008.wordpress.com/republicans/
I’ve seen scary examples of the real thing (such as some real live Dominionist sites), but I really, really don’t think this is one of them.
Here’s what they say about Landover Baptist:
“Landover Baptist: THE MINSITRY ISN’T HELLBOUND BUT THE FORUMS ARE!
“WARNING: A real church web site but it is under constant attack by Liberals and Atheists making the forums there full of UN-Patriotic propganda. It is frequented by Liberal con artists and who spread lies and abominations. The Front page are articles are safe but the Forums are NSFW, NSFC, NSFA, NSFH.”
Nooooo question.
This is a spoof site.
ksagnostic,
Agreed. I think bth got punked. Happens to the best of us–as well as to CF2K.
I do love Landover Baptist Church. I’m also partial to Betty Bowers, America’s Best Christian.
http://www.bettybowers.com
However, the one that I STILL cannot determine as satire is Objective Ministries. I mean, I THINK it’s satire, but…
http://objectiveministries.org/
CF2K
Yes, they are. I was trying to remember them as my other example.
I hope it’s a spoof – but still too reminiscent of what I grew up with in the Jim crow south.
I heard Sorenson on Charlie Rose comparing Obama with JFK. Obama is actually a bit older. And the scary thing about that comparison is Dallas.
http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
Objective Ministries also “condemns” Landover Baptist’s site.
ksagnostic,
Agreed. Still, Objective Ministries truly is brilliant. The verisimilitude is really something; all of the clickable links stay in character.
I’m particularly partial to “Objective: 4Kidz!” with our host, Lambuel. The flood narrative from Hopsiah, the “Kanga-Jew,” is quite enlightening.
“Hopsiah the Kanga-Jew knows history because his family lived it!
Hopsiah lives in the Middle East, where his ancestors and those of all the other animals and humans alive today exited Noah’s Ark 4,000 years ago.
But unlike the other Kangaroos who hopped to Australia, Hopsiah’s family stayed behind to witness the coming of the Messiah.”
http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/
And can’t forget the Deluxe, Cuddly, Anti-Lies Bear!
http://www.cafepress.com/objectivemin.3749867
Well it just seems like newscaster and people in high profile postions can say anything they want about African Americans and not have to face any consequences. For clinton to have made the comments in reference to kennedy was truly uncalled for. When she could have used her own husband, which would have been enough. Clinton and her supporters are using racial baiting to get people to have doubts about Obama. America is really not ready for a black man to be President, simply because of the stero-typical doubts and beliefs that have been taught, learned and expressed for generations. And for Obama to become president would destroy all stero-typical images of a black man and make us all truly equal.
Why is John McKain a broken-down liar?
He calls right-wing evangelicals “agents of intolerance,” then kisses John Hagee’s ass for his endorsement.
He says he wants a campaign “on the issues,” then he hires Karl Rove’s assistant as his campaign hit man.
He calls Bush’s tax cuts for the rich “an unfair gift to the rich at the expense of low and middle income Americans,” then swears to extend them.
John’s a liar.
How ABOUT a McCain thread now and again?
John has some embarrassing news today.
He was gonna have a fund raiser in a big auditorium.
But at the last moment, the event was moved to a private residence!
I know what you’re thinking. John could probably hold a fund raiser in a public restroom stall.
But that’s not why he moved it. The big space sparsely populated?
No he moved it because he didn’t want any press.
George is coming. And John didn’t want any pictures with the President he emulates!
Hilary’s comment is evidence of why she shouldn’t be president..she really lacks common sense. She has no business in such a powerful position. Just look what having a horse’s ass in the White House for the last 8 yrs has done to our country..I don’t think we need more of the same.
And the fact that she has no insight as to how inappropriate her remark was is scary…and she didn’t just say it once, she said the very same thing in an earlier interview, also.
Beat a dead horse much Mary?
Do you know how many people you turn permanently against Obama with each swing?
“..she really lacks common sense. ”
Uh huh.
I guess common sense reduces to chants and phrases? “Yes we can_____” (watch this space.)
ALL SHE WAS POINTING OUT WAS THAT BOBBY WAS ASSASSINATED IN JUNE WHILE HE WAS STILL CAMPAIGNING!
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That part is true, and it is SO OBVIOUS in the context in which she said it that was exactly what she meant by it. Good grief.
The slip of the Faux News contributor was bad, right up until she said she’d like to see them both knocked off….that part was beyond the pale.
Olbermann, I’d love to see it, but I refuse to watch him as long as he’s on a destroy Hillary kick.
I wonder how many of us are old enough to have been involved in that 1968 campaign when RFK was assasinated? Remember the chaos?
Clinton IS old enough. And, sadly, she is correct.
BlueJay
Posted May 27, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink
How ABOUT a McCain thread now and again?
AGREED! The MSM continues to do everything that it can to stir up controversy within the Democratic Party. The reasons are obvious – what “liberal” corporations own the MSM?
“Do you know how many people you turn permanently against Obama with each swing?”
So every criticism of Hillary by an Obama supporter permanently turns a Clinton supporter from ever voting for Obama?
What about the inverse?
Or are you saying that all criticism of Obama is JUSTIFIED, and none of the criticism of Clinton is warranted?
Not every criticism WS.
Just the really nasty and baseless ones like this one. It’s Rovian.
The upshot is it shows SOME of you Obama people know how to fight damn dirty.The downside is you aren’t saving that for McCain.
My mom, her sisters, and several people she knows were absolutely livid about this non issue getting so much play. And they weren’t in the bag for Hillary before it happened.
“Just the really nasty and baseless ones like this one. It’s Rovian.”
Really?
Like guns and religion?
Wright?
10,000 dead in Greensburg?
Ayers?
For starters, for someone like me that WORKED for Bobby’s campaign, to EVEN breath that you think that his assassination has relevancy to Hillary’s bid for the nomination is blasphemy.
Also, the Dem primary situation in June 1968 was very different than June 3, 2008.
1968 had the Califonia primary with a lot of delegates.
Next Tuesday does not have enough delegates to put Clinton into the lead — just Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota.
And those are the last primaries.
Clinton’s other “June” primary example, 1992 — Bill Clinton had a large lead over Jerry Brown at that time.
The Secret Service began protecting presidential candidates after Bobby Kennedy’s assassination.
Your last is a little incoherent WS.
I’m guessing you are calling out instances where Obama was talked about in something other than tender, loving words?
“Like guns and religion?”
Obama insulted a LOT of people with that one. And he did it (he thought) out of sight and earshot. I don’t cling to the bible or hide under the bed with a gun.
“Wright?”
I knew about that one WEEKS before it ever came up here and I never said a word. Once it was out, (and I don’t like that it took so LONG to come out) I defended Obama. It was his own same pastor brought that one back to life. I don’t know how they have shut him up now but color me surprised.
“10,000 dead in Greensburg”
That was last YEAR.
“Ayers”
I WROTE to an Obama supporter and told her that one was coming.
Nope WS. You have no comparison here. Senator Clinton made an innocent if badly worded comment about how primaries go on into June. That’s it except for SOME Obama supporters, cons, and the entire MSNBC network adding their fanciful and smeary spin.
Another big difference from 1968 is the fact that the nomination did NOT go to the man who had essensially tied RFK through the primaries. Instead it went to HHH; who had NOT won primaries. That would be like giving the nomination to someone like Lieberman if Obama were assasinated.
Some of the younger folks here do not fully understand the impact of the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.
In 1968, the world of politics was in complete turmoil. The lying son of a bitch president, Lyndon Johnson had been forced from the presidency.
Eugene McCarthy was a worthy anti-war candidate, but he would have had a difficult time winning the General Election.
Martin had been assassinate just a few months earlier. The US and much of the world was frightened and worried about the upcoming presidential election.
Bobby was a hero to the younger people of America. We believed in him, totally. He was our chance to have our voices heard regarding the war, race, equality and the future.
And then he was cut down by a coward with no value.
McCarthy could not gain the nomination – the “Party Elders” nominated a hapless old partisan hack in VP Hubert H. Humphrey.
And we lost to that corrupt, son of a bitch, Richard M Nixon.
And the WAr went on and on and on and on.
And race relations suffered.
And our future was stolen from us.
This was a seminal moment in American politic history.
And we turned the wrong direction.
If Obama was smart, he might try looking at Wesley Clark as VP running mate… Clark has good foreign policy experience, and good leadership abilities… in lieu of Clark, I think Bill Richardson would be viable…
We did indeed turn the wrong direction in 1968
“Obama insulted a LOT of people with that one.”
And Clinton insulted a hell of a lot of people that lived through the tragedy of the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.
She is not worthy of even speaking his name.
The fact that some of you don’t see how inappropriate Hilary’s comment is scares me too. Where the hell is YOUR common sense?
What else could she have meant, but that Obama could get assassinated and then she’d be the nominee?
I don’t think I’m turning anyone against Obama by stating my honest opinion about Hilary…anyone who is that reactive isn’t smart enough to be voting anyway.
Bobby Kennedy was a true hero and leader and I was absolutely devastated when he was killed…it was like all hope died along with him.
I had the opportunity to visit his grave a couple years ago..and it truly represented the
kind of man he was…just a simple white cross with his name on a small, flat tombstone, back in a corner and totally overshadowed by the graves of great men whose egos were as big as their tombstones.
“Obama insulted a LOT of people with that one.”
Yeah, sometimes the truth hurts.
Senator Clinton could have just said that Bobby was still in a tight primary race in June 1968, and left out the part about his being assassinated.
An interesting read,
‘The Trouble With June 1992 as a case for Pressing On’
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/27/us/politics/27checkpoint.html?bl&ex=1212033600&en=2a513ecfac5b8c73&ei=5087
That bitch on Fox News should be fired. Jesus, what the hell is happening to this country? There is so much hatred and it’s all so accepted. It makes me sick.
I was working quite a bit when R. Kennedy was assassinated so never had time to watch TV or read a newspaper. I remember someone saying “looks like Hoffa got his revenge on that Kennedy fella.”
Didn’t know what he meant until I read a newspaper a few weeks later, then found out some Arab fellow shot him.
At the time was more concerned about how many more fences had to be repaired and how many more 5 mile walks I was going to have to make with burlap sacks on my back with a roll of barbed wire on top it. It rained a lot that year and the post lines in the creeks were washing out like crazy.
Yeah, and all that was more important than the assassination of the top political figure in America at the time, McCluer.
Nothing like have your priorities straight.
Oh LOOK three zealots, no waiting.
Insulting and condescending as ever Mary. I’ll be sure and tell mom and my aunts that a landlord who lives by a lake says that they are stupid.
“And Clinton insulted a hell of a lot of people that lived through the tragedy of the assassination of Bobby Kennedy.”
YOU are the only one I’ve heard of WS. And you hate Hillary anyway because she isn’t black and she isn’t Obama. Don’t feign some new found passion. Ya already had it.
And cosmos. My own personal stalker.
Well golly gee cosmos. Obama could have just said that the Republican party was the party of BAD ideas for a pretty long time. He could have said that Reagan offered a change of direction THE WRONG WAY. But he isn’t perfect either is he?
I am being sincere here. I don’t like Obama. I don’t trust Obama. I’ve been straight up about that.
I promise you. You are making a mistake shilling this. You can’t hurt Senator Clinton with it. Bigger “guns” and real “ammo” have tried.
You are only gonna hurt Obama. You can trust me or no.
So, now people can’t bring up a dead guy without someone being “slighted”? Just how ridiculous is that? Who are these “slighted” people? Were any of the pundits even alive when Bobby was assassinated? Who the frick are they to slam someone for using Bobby’s death as an example?
I think what we have here is an atypical reaction, in a political hotbed presidential race, by bozos whose only purpose in life is to score points.
You want something major? Go after McBush for flip/flopping on his spiritual advisers. The only reason he denounced them was for the almighty vote. This Kennedy thing is red herring and totally stupid.
“And you hate Hillary anyway because she isn’t black and she isn’t Obama”
No, I don’t like Hillary because she went back on her word regarding Michigan and Florida.
And it doesn’t matter how IMPORTANT Michigan and Florida may be – she went back on her written word – she signed a pledge – she cannot be trusted.
What else will she go back on her word about?
That is why Hillary lost my support.
“You can trust me or no.”
Trust you? Now THAT’S funny!
Hilary lost my support when she didn’t throw Bill out of the White House….she’s all talk, but no balls.
No seriously, she voted for the war, she’s phony, dishonest, speaks before she thinks, and has proven that she’ll do anything to get elected….and her latest fax paus really proved to me that she won’t make a good leader.
I kinda figured you felt that way Mary.
The feeling was not mutual necessarily. It is now. And you may rest assured I respect you no more than you do or have me.
My post as to this IS honest. I guess it would be more believable if I included the words hope change and yes we can.
WS? To totally turn on a politician for being a shrewd politician isn’t really terribly justifiable.
More honesty that won’t be believed?
I don’t think Obama can win. IF SOME of his supporters continue to try and make an innocent comment into something sinister, I can assure you he can’t.
WSClark
Posted May 27, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink
Yeah, and all that was more important than the assassination of the top political figure in America at the time, McCluer.
Nothing like have your priorities straight.
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Well Clark, I was working on a ranch during my summer because school was out. It was twenty miles from town and the only people we saw were the Sheriff, the local Wildlife Ranger and sometimes neighboring ranchers. Evert two days Mr. Wilson came out to check on us.
My priorities was to do the jobs assigned to me (fixing fences, irrigation and herding cattle)
There was no electricity on the ranch, we had no radios that could reach town (small transistors) and we only went to town once per week. We stayed in a 24 foot trailer and cooked our own miserable chow (teenage boys cooking.)
Mr. Wilson’s (the ranch owner) was pretty sure about his priorities and if I didn’t do my job, cattle would escape through broken fence lines and crops would die if I didn’t irrigate them.
Texas heat, bull nettle and getting slapped constantly with mesquite was the only reality of the day.
Priorities? Trying not to get run over by some heifer or one of the two bulls roaming around. That was a big priority. :)
“To totally turn on a politician for being a shrewd politician isn’t really terribly justifiable.”
If her written pledge cannot be trusted, what can?
She has no credibility – she signed a pledge and now wants to go back on it.
Who can trust Hillary?
“My post as to this IS honest. I guess it would be more believable if I included the words hope change and yes we can.”
That would never work in your reality, JR…for you the glass has to always be half empty.
Innocent comment? What could she possibly have meant, then? Clarify please, oh wise one.
Obviously only YOU have the ability to see into her true soul.
“My priorities was to do the jobs assigned to me.”
My bad, I thought you were in Thailand.
“Insulting and condescending as ever Mary.”
Again, pot calling the kettle black?
Once again Clark, I try to be straight forward towards you and you respond with your usual hate.
Obama won’t win the White House without us Hillary supporters. You can count on it.
And then, when its all over and we have President McCain, you can sit here and whine and I won’t even want to hear it from you.
We have a good fighter in Hillary, she has made mistakes, yes. But she would make an awesome president.
And that is what truly matters. Bill was an awesome president I don’t care how much you hate him, you choose, Bill or Bush.
“Once again Clark, I try to be straight forward towards you and you respond with your usual hate.”
Of course I hate you, McCluer, after the comments made about my daughter and granddaughter, what would you expect – love and candy?
The invite for the barbecue is still open, by the way, but I would like to know if you plan to kill me with one of your “trained to kill” moves.
You know, just so I can be prepared…….
“Obviously only YOU have the ability to see into her true soul.’
It seems you and some other Obama supporters claimed that power before I ever did Mary.
You and WS have claimed that you know that Senator Clinton wants Obama dead.
How the message of hope and change has turned.
Now it’s fear and smear.
“Yes we can”.
Yeah, you did.
Good nite. It’s been real and it’s been fun, but it’s not been real fun.
Well, what could she possibly have meant, JR? Was she insinuating that Obama could get assassinated or not?
What do you guys want to bet JR won’t come up with a STRAIGHT answer? Because there is only one way to interpet what she said. And she said it more than once…so obviously she gave it some thought.
You just don’t know when to quit do you Clark? You hold grudges like a warm soft kitten to keep you warm and cozy.
Fine, if you want to be a hater, not much I can do about it, it will just consume you, if it hasn’t already.
Yeah me too Mary.
No one left worth discussing issues.
“Fear and smear”?!?…the truth IS pretty scary… maybe you’re the one who needs to open your eyes, JR. I think love has blinded you to the truth.
“What do you guys want to bet JR won’t come up with a STRAIGHT answer? Because there is only one way to interpet what she said.”
Got me and Senator Clinton in one summary judgement?
My answers here and my posts have never been anything but straight.
And there is only ONE way to interpret what Senator Clinton said? Are you omniscient AND rich?
Gosh. Cosmos gives me grief all the time for taking Obama on his EXACT words. He has to spin to try and and explain them.
Just like you have to try and invent only one way to interpret Senator Clinton’s words.
I appeal to the more reasonable Obama supporters. You need to rein in folks like WS and Mary Caruso.
I’ve never attacked your honesty Mary.
See? This is why I am uneasy about Obama. It isn’t just the things he has said.
It’s the whole movement behind him.
It pretends at warm open arms to embrace and welcome. Lots of unexplained pretty rhetoric.
Unless you raise a voice. Then it turns into a bulldozer in overdrive. The unbelievers are evil and must be silenced!
Yeah. Good luck with that.
“You hold grudges like a warm soft kitten to keep you warm and cozy.”
You made those statements LAST NIGHT, McCluer!
Is that “holding a grudge?”
Asshole.
mary now you’re being false..there is NO way you can possibly believe that she meant that as if she’s waiting to knock of Obama!
The context, was she talking about her husband being knocked off in June? No, at least be honest about what she was really saying
By the way, McCluer, are you going to kill me before or after you eat the ribs I cook for the barbecue?
Just curious………
Regular
Posted May 27, 2008 at 10:09 pm | Permalink
You just don’t know when to quit do you Clark? You hold grudges like a warm soft kitten to keep you warm and cozy.
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james is such a joke. he accuses Clark of molesting his granddaughter and smelling his fingers afterward and then he wants to paint WS as being the one full of hate.
Shaking my head, why is Reg still posting here, WE Blog? Phillip, et al. unless you do something about this obscene jackass, we can only conclude that you want people who post here to be subjected to unreasonable and unsubstantiated hate. Maybe you folks should hear from the ACLU?
Sorry, can’t resist.
WS?
Maybe you and James should sit and talk. Maybe you can build a mutually respectful coalition to get beyond your differences and work for your mutual progress.
Yes you can?
“Yes you can?”
No.
WSC – while I liked RFK I also noted that he waited until AFTER we forced LBJ out. While we didn’t actually win New Hampshire we came so close to the incumbent LBJ that he subsequently withdrew. That entire time I spent in New Hampshire that cold winter was exhilarating.
And then to have HHH. I was there in Boston the first time a Kennedy ever got booed loudly – chants of “sellout” when he introduced Humphrey at a political rally in the Boston Common.
My mother called me that night to ask if that was me she was on CBS News. Based on the color of the shirt I concluded it was.
BTW – my misgivings about RFK aside I would have easily supported him in the fall if he had lived and won the nomination. My Kennedy supporting friends felt likewise with McCarthy. This is where I am now – I will suppoert EITHER Clinton OR Obama.
However, in 1968 I – and many others – could not bring myself to support Humphrey. Thus my analogy that the REAL parallel to 1968 would be if Obama were assasinated and Lieberman got the nomination.
I’ve been meaning to mention this.
I get distracted when I am attacked by people who I thought were supposed to be my friends.
Huckabee made an assassination JOKE about Obama.
I know it happened. I don’t know much more.
MSNBC and SOME Obama supporters are all over Senator Clinton for an innocent remark?
And a possible Republican vice Presidential candidate. The LAST guy standing against McCain makes a JOKE about Obama getting assassinated and it gets NO press?
I want a Mike Huckabee thread tomorrow. That or I want a John McCain thread about his fundamentalist Christian problems, his fund raiser he hid from the cameras because bush was there…
You choose editors.
There are three candidates in this election. NOT one you trash and one you write love threads to.
Now the editors won’t do their job. Maybe some intrepid Obama supporter will.
Shaking my head, why is Reg still posting here, WE Blog? Phillip, et al. unless you do something about this obscene jackass, we can only conclude that you want people who post here to be subjected to unreasonable and unsubstantiated hate. Maybe you folks should hear from the ACLU?
Bring it. I liked to see the ACLU bring their dog and pony show here. Then when it comes apparent that the Libs on this blog inflict their own injuries, the ACLU will go back to where they came frm and shake their heads on what a bunch of rubes you really are.
Jaybird you really do think you carry some weight around here don’t you. Who really cares what you want on this blog. Do they call you to get ideas. You are backing a loser who will split the democrat party. Get a clue.
BlueJay – agreed 100%. Clinton’s observation was just that – an observation. I know that in 1968 she, like I, was likely involved in the campaigns. I don’t know if she was on ‘my side’ with McCarthy or backing RFK but she came of age during those three assasinations – as did I. Those experiences have to have influenced her – especially being in Boston as we both were.
I think her statement might have been careless in its wording – but nothing more.
“Then when it comes apparent that the Libs on this blog inflict their own injuries”
Yeah, like accusing folks of being gay because they support gay rights.
Or suggesting that they sexually abuse their grandchildren.
Or calling them “Heebies.”
But we should excuse them when they threaten others because they are “trained to kill!”
Yep, the “Trained Killer” should get a pass because, well that was LAST night.
Well, “Trained Killer” what do you have to say for your sorry ass TONIGHT?
Thanks ben.
I can’t speak to that time. Not credibly anyway. I was an infant.
And I see James regular is now playing at being an okie.
I don’t claim any weight here. If a con attributes some to me I must be doing something right.
BlueJay,
You seem to be very thin-skinned.
I did not intend to be “shilling” or attacking Clinton. I only meant that if she had thought about it more carefully, she could have left out the part about his being assassinated.
The campaign has been very long and tiring, and mistakes happen.
None of it really matters anyway. Clinton will still be behind in the delegate count after June 3, a larger number of superdelegates will endorse Obama, and that will probably be the end of the story.
It’s also interesting how Bluejay said, WSClark, “you hate Hillary anyway because she isn’t black and she isn’t Obama.
And ksfarmgrrl falsely posted on the “If Not Clinton…” thread,
“Cosmos, your Hillary hatred is eerily similar to another rabid Hillary hater.
…
Just because you are blinded by your own hatred doesnt mean we cant see it.”
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I’m very tired of people making false claims about what I think, and believe.
I have no hatred for Clinton — I just don’t like her “baggage” from the 1990’s, her AUMF vote, her campaign debt, and some other issues.
And BlueJay, the Republics were considered to be the “party of ideas”.
cosmos – well said. Let’s not have the atmosphere in the democratic party that we had in 1968. I would love to be able to lock all of us in a room for a while with beer, pop or whatever so we can blow off the steam. We might find that we have a hell of a lot more in common that not.
As cosmos said – this has been a long, hard and tiring campaign. We ALL need some time off to decompress.
oh yea – and ksfg has to bring tater salad and fried chicken!
By the way, McLiar, do you often threaten to kill people while blogging?
Just curious as to what your body count may be – not that you are any threat to me – since you are really a chickenshit – but I am curious.
How many bloggers have you actually killed – “Trained Killer?”
Well Jaybird there is enough out there about Obama that the MSM won’t bring up. How about our fallen heros who were standing before him in New Mexico yesterday? How about not knowing how many states are in the union? How about thinking he needs the OK from other countries on how we should live? How about having an uncle who was at Auschwitz when he had no uncle? How about Michelle saying he could get shot at a gas station long before Hillary ever said anything?
Be a Hillary supporter without jumping off the page. Huckabee ain’t running. Hillary and Obama are deciding the democrat nominee and then McCain will meet the winner. Bush ain’t running.
Get real that is all I ask. And by the way I haven’t ever met this regular fellow but have read about what you and StevenDavis did to him. That was jerky from you both. He has the right to be angry at you both and WS you deserve most of what you get but regular was way out of line when he talked about your daughter and granddaughter.
Civility needs to return.
“WS you deserve most of what you get”
Ha! That is funny, OK! You don’t know the half of it. What you have seen in the last day or so is just a fraction of what McCluer dishes out – then he cries like a baby because he gets no respect after he gets his ass kicked.
Duh! No one respects McCluer because he is a PROVEN liar.
But other than than, I am sure that he is a swell guy.
Just ask his 3D blow up doll.
Prove me wrong. Show me you are better than he is.
”
“BlueJay,
You seem to be very thin-skinned.”
Only with my friends cosmos. I got a real stick in the back from someone I thought was one just awhile ago.
I’ve been here since the lights went on. Me, my family, what I do, who I am. The cons have cut me very little slack.
I should not have included you in the earlier post cosmos. I fight. It’s what I do. Sometimes I swing wide. You have only marginally exploited Senator Clinton’s innocent words. I hope you will forgive me. I’m fighting for a candidate who I did not originally support against the media, the odds, and increasingly, my friends.
“None of it really matters anyway. Clinton will still be behind in the delegate count after June 3, a larger number of superdelegates will endorse Obama, and that will probably be the end of the story.”
You are assuming. Don’t. You do that and you don’t vet your own choice enough.
“I’m very tired …..”
Yeah, me too. I don’t like attacking people who are supposed to be on my side. Lately some of them seem to enjoy doing it to me.
This was our election to win. It still is.
The cons are stuck with a nominee they didn’t want. Politically overall their position is hopeless.
Please. Let the process work. It is the party’s decision to choose the best nominee. We don’t have to rush.
“
“Show me you are better than he is.”
Naw, he started with his very first post addressed to me when he called me a “Heebie.”
Since then, the gloves have been off.
I don’t start the fights, but I will finish them.
And McLiar deserves to be finished.
He has been a hemorrhoid on the asshole of the world for far too long.
You’ve made enough trouble here James okie.
I don’t want you on my side. I don’t need your help or your goading.
Dammit WS don’t you see it?
It’s just James again. He tried to play me. He is trying to play you.
I’ve seen him. THIS blog is what he calls a life.
Steven,
If they are going to get rid of Regular then they better take you and WS Clark too.
Once again it appears to be Steven and WS Clark with their hypocritical we are ok to say the mean and nasty things we do, but Regular is not, mantra.
The day that WS Clark stops instigating things with Regular is probably the day that Regular stops saying the things he does.
Jaybird you are indeed needy. I really don’t care who you think I am. I am content with my identity. WS I have been on lots of blogs and would like to stay with this one because it is close to home and talks about issues that are pertinent to the midwest. This personal stuff is counter productive and it can’t all be blamed on just one person.
I say we let it all go. I won’t even call Chas Pope anymore eventhough he told me I could.
Nathaniel I will have to agree with you there. This Steven fellow seems to want to be a nice guy but just can’t controll the vitriol that he spews. A little split personality.
Hey Nathan?
I say okobserver is James. What say you?
Hey Jaybird I say you are real paranoid and not to smart either.
I say I hit a nerve there James. I’ve knack for it.
You know don’t you that you are being chased into a smaller and smaller corner?
Jaybird this regular really has your number doesnt he? Don’t know where he is tonight but it’s not behind my keyboard.
I’m going to leave you to your own devices. Ck all of the corners, lock all the windows, don’t forget the door and better ck the oven too.
I’ve seen you james.
And google is my friend.
Good night. : )
WSC – it’s kind of funny that regular calls you “heebie” since he calls me an anti-Semitic Nazi. I suppose that means I’m supposed to hate you. Oh well …
So JR, I’m still waiting for your interpetation of what she meant by her inappropriate remark that she made on two separate occasions…is she talking about the possiblity of Obama’s assassination or not?
You never gave a straight answer, just like I expected.
bth
Posted May 28, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
WSC – it’s kind of funny that regular calls you “heebie” since he calls me an anti-Semitic Nazi. I suppose that means I’m supposed to hate you. Oh well …
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Show me where I called you that Ben.
I said you hate Jews and their policies.
Well to be honest Mary?
I have better things to do than waste time when you have already made up your mind to fit your own agenda.
You ether:
Truly believe that Senator Clinton wants or might even have Obama assassinated.
Now if that is really the case? Why didn’t she make it more obvious by herself outing the Pastor Wright thing? If anything she has handled Obama more gently than I would like.
But if you really believe that she wishes him dead? I’ll say honestly that I think you have a delusional mind and are otherwise irrational.
What is MORE likely is that you WANT to believe the crap you are posting. And you want very much for other people to believe it too. Because you are under the Obama spell and nothing no nothing is gonna get in the way. Even if you have to lie to yourself, you’ll do it.
People have been badgering Senator Clinton for MONTHS to get out of the race. Olberman started in publicly on her weeks ago. He made the remark that a super delegate should take her into a room and only one of them leaves. I should imagine she is even MORE tired of that than I am. All she was trying to do was point out that many nomination process years have gone on this long and longer.
Personally, I don’t think she should HAVE to justify staying in the race to anyone.
I also didn’t think she owed any explanation to anyone. Not anyone worth explaining to anyway.
Anyone with a fair mind never had a problem with this.
Now I’ve had chances to jump on Obama for this and that the last couple days. But I’m not looking for every chance to drive him out of the race.
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