“I don’t know if Sen. Obama can win the White House. No one knows. But to deliberately convey the idea that most white people – or most working-class white people – are unwilling to give an African-American candidate a fair hearing in a presidential election is a slur against whites,” New York Times columnist Bob Herbert wrote about Hillary Clinton saying that Barack Obama can’t get enough support from “hardworking Americans, white Americans.”
Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign acknowledged this weekend that it was $20 million in debt.
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Well gee, a thread supporting sebelius and one bashing Hillary. From the WE editors. What a surprise… (big eye roll)
Democrats forget that what plays inside the party doesnt always play outside the party. Dems loved them some John Kerry. Those outside the party, eh, not so much. Dems loved them some Al Gore. Those outside the party, eh, not so much.
She’s not going to be the nominee.
Let’s see you obama supporters get him elected. I’d think proving her wrong would be the best revenge.
We dont like to hear that we are, as a nation, racist. But we are. We dont like to hear that we are, as a nation, homphobic. But we are. We dont like to hear a lot about us…that we are.
Maybe if we just ignore how american voters “are”, it will just go away?
Is there a reason it’s called the White House, besides the fact that it’s white?
Jeez, Hillary’s campaign is $20 million in debt – she runs her campaign like Republicans run the government.
Hillary: Doing whatever it takes to win the Presidency. No matter how pandering, no matter how racist. Again, the double standard is applied here; had a republican said this, it would not be just an obscure blog topic. Nothing short of drawing and quartering would be sufficient.
And Bob Herbert is exactly right: class is not a Clinton forte. Naked self-interest is.
She’s done. And not a moment too soon.
If Clinton can’t run a campaign without going into massive debt how does she figure she can run a country and get it out of the economic mess the Republicans have gotten us into?
OMyGosh!
Hillary’s actually standing in front of a DLC banner.
DLC, for those who don’t know, stands for “Democratic Leadership Council” is a group of Democrat power-people who about ten or twelve years ago decided that the way to win elections was to be more like Republicans.
Yeah, they were that effing stupid.
Hillary and Harold Ford and Terry MacAuliffe have been poster children for the sell-out Democrat.
She’s also gesturing, how long has Bill been shagging other women and I’ve stood by him?
This long . . .
BTW, Clinton wasn’t insulting whites when she made that comment.
There are different cohorts of people in this country. She was appraising Obama’s chances among a certain cohort.
There’re so many things to attack Hillary for, but this isn’t one of them.
20 million dollars in debt!
How on earth is she going to bribe, I mean capture all those super-delegates?
“had a republican said this, it would not be just an obscure blog topic. Nothing short of drawing and quartering would be sufficient….”
Exactly. On the magnitude of water-boarding, the attorney general firings, and the WMD….
But Hillary said it? No problemo.
I have to agree that this is one of those things that don’t need to attack Hillary on. She was simply extrapolating what the voting patterns were as shown in the last primary or two. I don; think it was rascist. I do think that if a REpublican had said it, those in the national spotlight would be calling for a public execution. But such is the nature of politics today. Unfortunately, race must be addressed. It must continue to be addressed till it is no longer a real issue (as opposed to a shadow issue that politicians of both sides likes to use)
Only the Stupid, Uneducated Whites won’t vote for Obama. Get the quote right!
(Was Hillary implying that Blacks don’t work?)
THE Quote:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm
Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Wednesday to continue her quest for the Democratic nomination, arguing she would be the stronger nominee because she appeals to a wider coalition of voters — including whites who have not supported Barack Obama in recent contests.
“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article “that found how Sen. Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”
Why do you think Obama is in Cape Girardeau Mo tomorrow?
He’s there to get the Stupid White (ie Redneck) vote!
And Obama figured Rush’s hometown was the Redneck Capital!
As much as I hoped to live to see the day, even a few years ago I would have doubted a person of color stood even a Chinaman’s chance at the nomination. That Obama has not only for all practical purposes sewn up the nomination, but has a more than fair chance of being elected in a nation still struggling with racism is almost beyond wonder!
Say hi to Randy while you’re down in Obama’s tank there Phil.
And don’t you give up farmgrrl. This aint over.
If there is ANY racial component working in this nomination, it is working in favor of Obama.
He pulls 92% of the black vote.
92%
Now you just think about that. If you ask 100 black voters who they want for the Democratic nominee, 92 of them say Obama.
Now can someone tell me with a straight face this is not a HUGE bit of racism working?
It is just as wrong for people to vote FOR Obama because he is black as it is to vote against him for that reason. Now it may be that some white people may see this racism in favor of Obama as enough of a reason to vote against him.
There are so many better reasons to dislike and fear this badly known man.
In Kansas, my vote doesn’t matter anyway. But I will cast it FOR a candidate.
Obama won’t do. SO if he is the nominee I will vote for Nader or McKinney.
This barring Obama growing a set and getting his enemy identification down better.
Oh and it is worth mentioning again.
You editors like you tube.
Post a thread with the you tube where clueless Barack speaks about visiting 57 states.
A little fairness? Even at THIS late stage in the game?
“That Obama has not only for all practical purposes sewn up the nomination, but has a more than fair chance of being elected in a nation still struggling with racism is almost beyond wonder!”
Or, perhaps, that there is a class of folks, epitomized by Sharpton & Co. who benefit by stirring that pot, and that Americans are further along the road toward a colorblind society than we thought.
I’m not blind to our history. And I have no illusions that racism is dead; it isn’t. But there are those in the polity who benefit by continuing to play the race card. Most Americans are deeply offended by racism, and want to put it behind us. Most Americans are equally offended by the Sharptons of the world who thrive on it.
I see Barr has announced he’ll run as a libertarian, read it won’t really make any difference whether he siphons off 7% of mccains voters. They must be anticipating a genuine (not 53% imitation) landslide!
Regardless of your likes or dislikes, Hillary is done and should get off the stage, for no other reason then to combine forces, and defeat the republicans in November. I, for one, do not want mcbush taking over for any reason.
Post a thread with the you tube where clueless Barack speaks about visiting 57 states.
Why wait on the editors?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
Typical Hilary…open mouth, insert foot :0
Obviously, Obama meant 47 not 57.
I think the guy knows how many states are in the union.
You know the editor of The Harvard Law Review, that guy?
Max writes, “Only the Stupid, Uneducated Whites won’t vote for Obama.”
Interesting.
You’re not voting for Obama, right, Max?
Looks like Hillary’s correct . . .
That Obama has not only for all practical purposes sewn up the nomination, but has a more than fair chance of being elected in a nation still struggling with racism is almost beyond wonder!
Jed, Jonathan Schwarz had a similar thought:
****
It’s September 12, 2001. You’re sitting in front of a TV, watching footage of the World Trade Center collapse over and over and over again.
All of a sudden, someone from seven years in the future walks out of a tiny temporal vortex, and tells you: George W. Bush is going to fck this up so badly that in 2008, the United States of America will likely elect as president a black man whose middle name is Hussein and whose father was Muslim. Oh, and he also admits he’s used cocaine.
I think it would have been easier to convince me of the reality of time travel. “No, no, I believe you really are from the future. But the other stuff, that’s CRAZY.”
******
http://thismodernworld.com/4302
Actually she may be right but who cares? Obama does not need the trailer trash vote and Clinton was not going to get it anyway come November.
Osama Obama can’t get the vote of non-crackheads. Obama followers vote for people that look like them, wannabe like him and take drugs like him.
“Osama Obama can’t get the vote of non-crackheads. Obama followers vote for people that look like them, wannabe like him and take drugs like him.”
Are you saying that the majority of Americans are non white crackheads? Interesting, I really don’t think I fit your sterotype.
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Posted May 12, 2008 at 7:40 pm | Permalink
Osama Obama can’t get the vote of non-crackheads. Obama followers vote for people that look like them, wannabe like him and take drugs like him
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Another sad comment from one of the 28%ers. Ya know, reg, there were still some hitler followers when he offed himself. Not comparing them, mind you, just saying some people will follow anybody, regardless of the fact they’re the worst ever:-)
Obama will not even BE in West Virginia tomorrow.
THAT’S how much he cares about working folks in a state where he is about to get his tail kicked.
“Regardless of your likes or dislikes, Hillary is done and should get off the stage,”
It’s a good thing for Obama she didn’t do it today.
It would look pretty bad for him to lose so badly to Senator Clinton if she was no longer in the race.
Reguliar seems to be reverting to JM, going from “sometimes sane” to “always whacked out.”
“By their fruits, ye shall know them.”
“But to deliberately convey the idea that most white people – or most working-class white people – are unwilling to give an African-American candidate a fair hearing in a presidential election is a slur against whites”
I’m a working class white person and sure as heck won’t vote for him.
I won’t because he is a far left socialist, he lacks experience, and he will take a stand and vote anyway he thinks it will help himself politically.
Well, I’m a working class white person and I will.
“I’m a working class white person ”
And by your posts here, you vote Republican.
Uh, try to stay away from power tools and sharp objects ok? Because if you are a working person and you vote Republican? You are a danger to yourself and others.
“I’m a working class white person ”
So am I, at least in part (also part native American). I’ll be voting for the Democratic nominee in November.
I’m part Native American as well there Ben. However, haven’t figured the percentage out as it was the third great grandmother on my grandfather’s maternal side.
Have some nieces and nephews that get payments from the Kaw tribe of Oklahoma though.
We don’t qualify for payments. No treaty with my branch – renegade to this day. Cherokee – East Tennessee instead of either “Western band” (Oklahoma) or “Eastern band” (North Carolina). Our last interaction with BIA was back in the 30s when they sent an agent to East Tenn – he disappeared without a trace.
heh, Might have been my North Carolina ancestors (mother’s side) that helped chase the Eastern Band of Cherokees out of the region. When I did genealogy of that region on my family, there was always some report about militia going after Indians during the mid to late 1700s.
No regular – your ancesters would have submitted to incarceration in the concentration camps in North carolina. We headed into the mountains. It wasn’t militia – it was the United States Army.
Could be Ben, dunno.
The tribe that my ancestry came from were pretty much domesticated by the British and weren’t even full blooded way back in the 1780s. They even had English surnames and owned property.
What exactly is a “working class” person?
Is there a definition?
Don’t we all work?
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