Four local families have filed a discrimination lawsuit against St. Anne Catholic School, challenging a rule that students can speak only English during the school day.
We’re not inclined to wade into a private school matter. But before activists against illegal immigrants get up in arms, some points to consider:
The Spanish-speaking students in this case are U.S. citizens who are bilingual — English is their primary language. The parents aren’t asking that the students be allowed to speak Spanish in classrooms — at issue is whether the students should be able to speak Spanish outside the classroom, during recess or other free time.
It’s too bad that any American student would be dissuaded from being bilingual, when U.S. schools, public and private, actively promote the benefits of being fluent in more than one language. How does this “English only†school rule support that educational goal?
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This is most certainly an interesting issue… and could become an even bigger issue…
To me, the problem is this: WHY must this issue be settled in a Courtroom, rather than in a Conference room??
how predictable you leftists would side against a Catholic school
This was discussed previously. Bad behavior such as bullying or being disrespectful, regardless of language should not be tolerated in schools. The school should have handled this as a behavior issue.
I don’t see a problem with kids speaking Spanish during recess, as long as they don’t abuse others with “disguised language.”
As far as the parents suing the school, I say, “Get grip and a life.” This should have been done in a board meeting or behind closed doors with the principles involved.
All I see here is that some kids were abusive by bulying others hiding behind a foreign language and the parents are trying to take advantage of the situation knowing full well that schools ran by religious organizations often settle lawsuits before it is taken to court.
On one side, a bad decision to let it get out of hand and other side, I see some parents allowing their kids to misbehave and then being greedy trying to legally extort monies from the school.
I have to agree with Chas on this one, taking this to court is ridiculous, and costly for the courts and taxpayers.
Private schools should of course be free to set their policies to fit their needs and those attending free to abide or leave.
It is not unifying for the students to have one group speaking another language, but tends to separate them in to ‘us and them’. That’s not good for the students or the school, and promotes some students into thinking they have something over some of the others.
This is America.
Speak English or get out.
And if some parents have the money to send their kids to private school and those kids are still speaking other than English?
This speaks of a deliberate attempt to raise their kids in a culture other than American.
Well, I don’t know what’s happened. I feel like I’m entered an alternate dimension or world this morning. I not only agree with Chas but BlueJay. I’m incredulous about that.
I am certainly in favor of people being multilingual but we need one unifying language for the country, period.
My granddaughter and grandson are in a Spanish immersion magnet school where they are taught in Spanish, though neither could understand a word of Spanish prior to Kindergarten. Their folks and friends, other than in school, speak no Spanish. I think this is great for them, not only learning another language while they can more easily but in the potential benefits with regards to brain development learning another language might offer. I am not prejudiced against foreign languages at all, but there needs to be one official language for this nation and citizens and residents speak that language for public discourse.
You know what I find odd is I bet that the Catholic schools teach Spanish in their classrooms.(probably french and german too)so how do learn a langauge without speaking it?
Wonder how this would work if American kids insisted on speaking English to each other in Mexican schools? Anyone remember the Navaho “code talkers” during WWII?
Jhoifid dolsid kojikios kokea! Hotaklsi roadk aodidi, gar jiminy flatsed wrineoter. Bop liet hodit brappy niner kiteplaay.
hort holly hcker germow meth, tho jumkor noy me!
Using any language in a derogatory manner on school grounds, during recess, along with bullying other children and the teacher, is not to be tolerated by any public or private school. That is what played out at St. Anne’s Catholic School. This is what took place and this is what the mother/parents of these students are backing up. These children have used their language in a derogatory manner towards staff and children, as well as bullying. It is that simple.The rules apply to all foreign language. Let us all be on the same page so that we can communicate. It is my understanding that this took place during recess and possibly during school. Also these children are not illegal from what I know, they are American born. Some of the parents are from Mexico, some are American born. So as stated above, this is a deliberate attempt to over-ride our American upbringing with their culture. It is reverse discrimination against our English language. Some of these people want us to turn into little Mexico. Understand? I don’t know what is wrong with the American husband that he doesn’t seem to get it. Oh well, he’s married to her. I guess he has to put up with it and go along with it, or else!
“It’s too bad that any American student would be dissuaded from being bilingual…”
Another false leap of logic which the you peoples are so good at. Where is the attempt to dissuade being bilingual? Nowhere.
When kids are bullying and talking smack about their teachers by speaking Spanish, something has to be done.
“dissuaded from being bilingual” Hogwash.
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Looks like we found a topic where we all agree. I think Regular said it very well!
“Bad behavior such as bullying or being disrespectful, regardless of language should not be tolerated in schools.”
and
“As far as the parents suing the school, I say, “Get grip and a life.” This should have been done in a board meeting or behind closed doors with the principles involved.”
With parents like these it’s no wonder the children are rude bullys. They seem to have been taught those skills at home.
It’s a private school. If the parents don’t like the rules then take your children elsewhere.
But . . . but . . . but I thought kids in private religious schools were so well-behaved and inculcated with good morals that they would never bully other kids or insult their teachers.
HA!
Roman Posted May 21, 2008 at 6:40 am
how predictable you leftists would side against a Catholic school
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The only post I see that in any way supports the school’s actions is the lead-in by Randy Scholfield. Everyone else from every political leaning thinks the school has the right to make rules to address behavioral problems, and many question the parent’s judgment in filing a lawsuit. Guess it made Roman feel good to criticize “leftists” whether justified or not. Go figure.
The kids in question were using Spanish to make disparaging remarks to the other kids and to the teachers…when the school refused to budge, they took their kids elsewhere and then filed a lawsuit…don’t tell me greed isn’t the motivating factor. Catholic schools have the right to make their own rules without interferance from the government unless there is criminal activity going on. Parents like these are the reason why some kids are so out of control.
The kids can speak all the Spanish they want at home.
The parents in this scenario are setting a fine example for their kids. You can tell how caring and involved they are regarding their children’s education. (heavy sarcasm)
Equality is all everyone ever talks about when it comes to the way schools treat the students. How would allowing these children to seperate themselves from others by speaking another language promote equality? They are also using their second language to speak about other teachers and students in a harmful manner. How is allowing your children to attend school and speaking the way they have been reported as have, going to promote mutual respect for teachers and fellow classmates? I am 100% for individuals using their second language outside of schools and their place of employment.
As for the parents of these children, do you honestly believe the way you are handling this situation in the best method? You are filing lawsuit against a Catholic church, and trying to make a profit on top of it all? What exactly are they trying to do, are they trying to make a point or make a buck? Set a good example for your children, it is one thing to stick up for your heritage, but this is just making a joke of yourself and in the public eye at that.
And exactly what did you just clarify with your article Josh? That a reporter can make uninformed comments?
“It’s too bad that any American student would be dissuaded from being bilingual, when U.S. schools, public and private, actively promote the benefits of being fluent in more than one language. How does this “English only” school rule support that educational goal?”
Why dont you read article A and inform yourself of what this is all about before making a fool of yourself in print.
I am speaking as a concerned parent. If my child or any child were use derogatory, threatening or bullying language in English or in a written note, what would be the consequences?
Request to stop.
Warning that the action is undesirable and not tolerated.
Warning of possible punishment.
Contact with parent
Phased discipline for repeated actions.
Removal
If my child or any child were use derogatory, threatening or bullying language in Spanish…
Request to stop.
Warning that the action is undesirable and not tolerated.
Warning of possible punishment.
Contact with parent
Phased discipline for repeated actions.
Removal
Sue the school.
Hmmmm
Must have been too many white kids asking their parents what ‘puto’ and ‘vesa ma culo’ meant!
CapnAmerica
Posted May 21, 2008 at 8:46 am | Permalink
But . . . but . . . but I thought kids in private religious schools were so well-behaved and inculcated with good morals that they would never bully other kids or insult their teachers.
HA!
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NO, Cap the difference is that the private schools take care of the problem.
“Must have been too many white kids asking their parents what ‘puto’ and ‘vesa ma culo’ meant!”
hey, you can;t say that!
“It’s too bad that any American student would be dissuaded from being bilingual, when U.S. schools, public and private, actively promote the benefits of being fluent in more than one language. How does this “English only” school rule support that educational goal?
By Randy Scholfield.”
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I agree with Randy BUT I understand that the students precipitated the action by the school by misusing their ability. So Sad that the school had to resort to this action. But it is within their rights and Randy Scholfield should respect AND SUPPORT that right.
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Question for Randy,
Have you ever had co-workers in your group settings, meetings, etc. go into their native tongue to exclude you and others from the converation?
Might one suspect that there was a ulterior motive for doing so?
Of course, as normal for Mr. Scholfield, I believe that he is missing the big picture here and that is how these parents are training their children to be bullies and not to respect the rules and authority. It is either my way or I will sue you!
Where in the article did it say anything about these kids saying anything bad about others, be it students or faculty? I agree that the school has the right to create its own rules of behavior but come on lets be practical. What about when we were kids I remember kids would talk pig latin just so others wouldn’t understand what was being said or what about ebonics not long ago. You can’t be serious about forcing people to not to talk in a language they possibly grew up with, raised around or even learned in language classes.
Where is the harm, unless it was intended to be hurtful or conspiratory. Even so you didn’t talk behind other kids back when you were in school, oh yeah right you were the good kids who would never. This being Polically Correct (PC) is getting way out of control. If the other kids were taking Spanish classes maybe they would understand better what was being said, then it wouldn’t be so easy to talk behind others backs. But again I say where was it stated they were being sarcastic or bad in what was being spoken? Geez people, remember sticks and stones but names will never hurt me, get over it! Let the school and the Diocese figure it out, seems like a stupid guideline or rule to me anyway. Kids will be kids and we cannot expect them to behave like PC adults all the time. The more we keep protecting peoples feelings the more we create spineless, soft-skined pansies. If we don’t teach kids to take criticism or some verbal abuse then we should all be sent back to scholl to learn common sense, oh sorry I forgot they don’t teach that at school that is supposed to be the PARENTS job.
“Never argue with an idiot they’ll drag you down to their level and then beat you with their experience”
America speaks english. Period. Limited legal immigration is fine, but learning American English and discarding all other non-American cultural traits needs to be made MANDATORY before anyone is allowed in.
Enough with the Mexicans; they are ruining our country yes ruining it. Go home where they speak spanish or spanglish or whatever language they speak. Good catholics sure sue the school. Good example for their off spring. I am just getting so sick of them coming here and them not wanting to become Americans. yes language is part of everyones culture; but I do not see signs in Polish,. or Russian or Irish; but why do we placate to the Mexicans who it appears for the most part did not contributre much but to pick in the fields; but cost so much more than they contribute. Like health care for illegals or legals who have no medical insurance; children commiting crimes, yes more Mexicans committ crimes than other races,. why well figure it out, butit is whast it is.
Wow, Rod, zero tolerance.
So you’re saying that all those military personnel we station in Germany, Japan and Iraq should converse only in the local language even among each other?
Good luck with that . . .
What happened to all the free-market “CONservatives” and the philosophy of of “let the market decide.”
A billion Chinese have learned English for one reason only: because to make it in the world you’ve gotta speak English. Immigrants to the United States flood ESL classes for one reason only: to get ahead in this country you’ve got to speak English.
I parlayed a smattering of high school German into getting to the hotel or the train station or the bathroom, but my English accent gave me away. And most Germans jumped at the chance to use their English skills. (A lot better than my German.) My ex- learned street Spanish from kids she volunteered with during her middle school years. She became a Spanish teacher. Once we walked the bridge in Juarez and she realized she’d forgotten her ID. She asked a Mexican border guard and asked, in Spanish, if it would be a problem. He looked at her and asked, in perfect English, “Do you speak English?” Her accent was that good.
Even the French people I met — and the French are about as snobby about their language as anyone on the planet — appreciated my attempts to communicate but wanted to use their English.
I don’t care if the cook at my favorite Chinese restaurant speak Mandarin with his/her friends. I kinda prefer it that way. If the lady working in the kitchen of my favorite Mexican restaurant speaks Spanish, the food’s likely better than what the the pimply-faced kid gives me at Taco Bell.
It’s astounding that the most vocal advocates of English as the Official Language laws are the most likely to butcher the tongue with stuff like, “Last time I seen her she was sittin’ on the sofa on the porch.” Like “Nathaniel” who frequently posts stuff such as, “You guys are attacking my father and I.”
Yes,
While this article states that the “Lawer states”:
Lawyers for the families contend bullying was not the initial reason the school enacted the policy. Rather, a letter outlining the policy stated in part “the more students are immersed in the English language the better the chance for improvement/success.”
Other news reports have said that some students did engage in using Spanish in bullying.
So sad that some students can ruin it for eveyone and then the parents start bullying too. SO SAD
cfmassie, I consider it to be bad manners, and just plain rude to speak in a language that your peers don’t understand when you have the ability to speak in the native language.
I’d rather have some one talking about me behind my back, than talking about me to my face, and I don’t understand a word they’re saying!
“discarding all other non-American cultural traits”
Damn, say so long to Mexican, Italian, French, Irish, Greek, Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese and Cuban food.
For starters.
If we limit ethnic foods to just non-immigrant types, you better get used to bison and venison.
Well cap’n, I would make a distinction between visiting mexicans, or those here temporarily, from those that are registered citizens. Classmates and co-workers vs. transients.
Whatever happened to assimilation?
“RightAngle” cites the “Lawer[sic]” with –
WAIT A MINUTE!! “LAWER?!” Can’t you used the language properly?! Go back to where you came from, illiterate!
used = use
(my comeuppance. sigh)
“The diocese has said the school enacted the policy in response to four students who were using Spanish to bully others and to put down teachers and administrators.”
Quoted from the article on May 20th.
cfmassie Posted May 21, 2008 at 11:29 am
“Where in the article did it say anything about these kids saying anything bad about others, be it students or faculty?”
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The lead-in for this discussion (above) has a highlighted word “filed” (in blue) that leads you to an article that appeared in the newspaper. That’s where it states:
“The diocese has said the school enacted the policy in response to four students who were using Spanish to bully others and to put down teachers and administrators.”
Sorry for the duplicated response. I see that bmw had it handled while I was finding the cut and paste.
The Catholic School personnel should have handled this as a behavior problem. As I understand the situation, the ringleader boy and a couple of his friends were bullying the other kids and using Spanish to cover it up. What type of parents would allow their child to be a bully - the type that smells money from a lawsuit.
We lived in Yuma, Arizona for 2 years and had Mexicans cross the border everyday to work in this small town. These Mexicans could speak English but would speak Spanish amongst themselves and it was usually when they did not want to get caught doing something wrong.
My husband was the administrator of a nursing home. Two Mexicans were caught stealing food supplies from the kitchen. One even tried flushing 10lbs of ground beef down the toilet when she got caught. Of course, when caught they went into their ‘no speak English’ mode. Imagine the look on their faces when my husband talked to them in Spanish.
Maybe that is what was needed at St. Anne School? When these Hispanic bullies thought they were being so clever, someone with authority should have come up behind them and spoke to them in Spanish. Or teach a choice Spanish words to the kids being bullied and let the kids take care of the bullying problem? Bullies routinely back down when confronted.
No matter what, unfortunately, now it looks like the big bad Catholic School won’t let this little Hispanic boy speak Spanish.
As I see it, the bottom line is motivation for money. These parents of the bullies are the ones forcing this issue.
Maybe someone on this blog knows this answer - are these parents being represented by some Hispanic activist group? Is this another factor for the lawsuit - to get publicity?
I’m sure Dr. Scholfield has been told on more than one occasion by someone that he should “bese mi (insert body part of choice)”
Solis says the policy became necessary to maintain order within the school. “The issue was a behavioral issue, where this young man who’s first language was English who was born in the US. But was using Spanish with a small crowd of friends to speak ill of others, make derogatory comments about others in Spanish so they wouldn’t know what they were saying.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24717417/
If the only place you get your information is the Wichita Eagle, you will be illiterate too.
Monkeyhawk
Posted May 21, 2008 at 12:22 pm | Permalink
used = use
(my comeuppance. sigh)
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Monkeyhawk, thanks for making my day.
No hard feelings. Have a good day.
My daughter was educated in the private school system for 14 years in the St. Louis area. She studied Spanish for eight of those fourteen years. NEVER did she or the other students see a need to use the language as an intimidation factor around others. It has always been my understanding that if you do not agree with set policy in a parochial or private school——–you may leave. I appreciated the discipline and structure that was in place in each of my daughter’s schools. It is my sincere hope that the four filing families will reexamine exactly why they enrolled their children in a parochial school in the first place. We chose Catholic private schools for our child so that her mind and spiritual being would thrive. We also felt that they would be a safe environment and they proved to us that they indeed were. There were those in elementary school that complained about the amount of homework interfering with after school activities and they were politely told that there were schools in the area that could accommodate them. I thank the administration for not caving to them. ALL parents sending their children to either parochial of private schools should educate themselves on school policy before sending their child through the doors. My husband and I are middle class citizens and we did indeed sacrifice to enable our child to have what we felt to be a quality education. It was the best investment we have ever made. I pray that a precedent will not be set with these suits and that the four families will see that St. Anne’s had NO choice other than to establish a policy that would protect the students whose education and CARE was entrusted to them. How would those families feel if the tables were turned and it was THEIR children being bullied? Why do these four families think that their children had the right to take away the feeling from the other families that St. Anne’s was a safe place for their children? Rules are rules! What is it that so many adults do not understand about that anymore? Why are four families saying that it is okay for their children to intimidate other children? Why do they think that their childrens inappropriate behavior should be tolerated and because it wasn’t, now they are going to sue? Enough is enough!!
“Using any language in a derogatory manner on school grounds, during recess, along with bullying other children and the teacher, is not to be tolerated by any public or private school.”
It is a good feeling knowing that some people are getting upset about a foreign language being spoken.
Now they can share in what it is like when you are hearing handicap and can’t speak or understand what is being said in a social setting.
Now they can share in what it is like to be made as a social outcast by some because you do not fit in with them.
Discrimination goes deeper then you think.
wow a alot of xenophobia, so exactly what is American Culture? the way I see it unless you practice various native American traditions most “American Culture” is a hodge podge of various Foreign traditions?
Rod,
When I was last in New York, I met a family of third generation Americans with all the same qualifications for citizenship that you have, who only rarely use English. In their home, business and community, the common language is Yiddish.
I’ve also been to New Mexico where I met people whose families have lived in the same town for over 400 years, and their mother tongue is Castillian Spanish. They have difficulty understanding Mexican Spanish, but have no trouble at all in Spain.
We have German, Swedish and Czech communities right here in Kansas, and in parts of Louisiana, French is favored. Up north you can find Polish, Norwegian and Russian-speaking communities. There was once even a British community about 60 miles southwest of here where you wouldn’t have been considered an English-speaker!
Maybe English is the favored tongue in your little gated community, but it’s far from the only language spoken in America. Get over it!
Actually everyone should be asking. “What’s such a big deal about this Mohola Puta wanting to sue de church.” “She jess after de money me think.”
Notworth2cents,
And it never occurred to you that it might be incredibly offensive to some people to ban their language just because somebody might be insulting them in a way they can’t understand? Thy paranoia and prejudice runneth over!
Jed
Posted May 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm | Permalink
Notworth2cents,
And it never occurred to you that it might be incredibly offensive to some people to ban their language just because somebody might be insulting them in a way they can’t understand? Thy paranoia and prejudice runneth over!
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Ab imo pectore liber flumina
asinus asinum fricat
Jed,
Did you ever stop to think that when someone chooses to send their bully to private school that there could be consequences to his nasty and abusive behavior?
Language had nothing to do with it this parish holds Spanish mass every week. The issue was little Adam was using his puta’s native tongue to abuse others in the school.
Adam and Mike are native born Americans with English as their first language. The Mohola mother is the one that is pushing the Spanish deal.
I wonder if the little monsters were in private school in the first place because they had behavioral issues? I’m not from Wichita and I’m not familiar with the school in question, but where I come from, going to a Catholic school was a sentence (no offense Catholics).
It’s the other way around, nano. The CatLick skools kick out the bad seeds and they are send to pubic skool.
A private school can set their own rules….we learned that from the disgusting sexism that came from that one Catholic school with the female referee. I agree that a private school has no demand to follow any rules but their own, barring abuse.
I think there is something wrong with the spanish speaking families that are making such a big deal over this. I think its great they’re bilingual, but quite frankly, I am tired of US having to learn to accomodate them. English is our country’s language. If you want to speak another language, that’s fine. Wonderful. Don’t demand that the rest of us do it.
And there is a good reason to ban other languages in school, often, those words are used to taunt others and be disrespectful to teachers who don’t know what you’re saying.
Imagine, that x student says “we should beat up James after school’ in spanish. Now how many are going to know what this kid said? Its a discipline, safety issue.
Sounds to me like this bully’s mother doesn’t like the fact that her little bully got caught. Rather than make her little bully follow the rules, this mother decides to make speaking Spanish an issue.
Nothing is worse than a mother who thinks her little Johnny would never do anything wrong. Apples don’t fall too far from the tree.
Notworth2cents,
“Language had nothing to do with it this parish holds Spanish mass every week. The issue was little Adam was using his puta’s native tongue to abuse others in the school.”
So the problem wasn’t the language but the insults? You can just as easily insult someone in English, but I don’t see the school banning that. Pure unadulterated bullshit!
“Language had nothing to do with it this parish holds Spanish mass every week. The issue was little Adam was using his puta’s native tongue to abuse others in the school.”
So the problem wasn’t the language but the insults? You can just as easily insult someone in English, but I don’t see the school banning that. Pure unadulterated bullshit!
Usted puede apenas como fácilmente insultar alguien en inglés, pero no veo la escuela que prohíbe eso. ¡Abono no adulterado puro!
Regular
Posted May 21, 2008 at 7:47 pm | Permalink
You can you cause sorrow easily like insulting somebody in English, but I do not see the school that prohibits that.
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Yes they are, the problem is there is not enough teachers and staff that understand spanish to confirm what is said and you know you just can not take one student word over another.
Right Angle,
Forgot to put in a separator between Jed’s quote and mine, but mine was in Spanish. Wasn’t my quote.
here’s mine, mocking Jed…
Usted puede apenas como fácilmente insultar alguien en inglés, pero no veo la escuela que prohíbe eso. ¡Abono no adulterado puro!
Ok Jed?
You don’t get to have it both ways.
Otherwise you are a hypocrite.
You can’t cry prejudice against these people when they were using their language difference to bully others and misbehave.
Nano, my daughter went to a private school not because she had behavioral issues but because she excelled intellectually. Private schools in most areas are not methods of rehab for the behaviorally challenged.
It seems to me that a few people are not quite understanding the issue at hand. The issue is discipline.
We ARE a melting pot of cultures here in the United States but assimilation is required to a degree, especially in an environment where there are set rules. Now, if the Spanish want to open up a private or parochial school and ban the English language then so be it, but if they want to be respected members of our society then they will just have to man up and accept that they have to abide by our rules. Finally, what do you think that this issue is saying to the rest of the world? That any group can come over to America and start living by whatever standards they please? Why don’t we just invite Al-Qaida over and let them abide by their violent interpretation of the Quran?
BJ,
Doesn’t sound to me like bullying was the issue, just an excuse the school’s lawyers came up with after the fact to whitewash a decision rooted in bigotry. Seen it plenty of times before.
If it was truly about bullying, how does banning a particular language prevent that? From the story that’s in circulation, the kids supposedly involved would be just as capable of bullying in English as in Spanish. Any ban on Spanish solves absolutely nothing! Which leads to the obvious conclusion that the school administrators are either morons or bigots. Either way I wouldn’t want them in charge of anyone’s education.
njmgtm1,
” Now, if the Spanish want to open up a private or parochial school and ban the English language then so be it, but if they want to be respected members of our society then they will just have to man up and accept that they have to abide by our rules.”
Sounds to me as if after a couple centuries of making them abide by your rules, what you’re really afraid of is that they’ll become a majority and then you’ll have to abide by theirs! Turnabout’s always fair play, so you are admitting that your rules haven’t been any fairer than the rules you expect from them. And if that’s true, you’ll be getting no more than you deserve.
Uh yeah Jed.
“BJ” is the rights corruption of my nic.
YOU can use it. Or you can call me J R or Jay.
That said.
Now Jed? Your working life is mostly over yes?
Well see? I compete against these illegals for work.
Now I COULD exploit them. I could get the contracts and then pay them a pittance to do the work. I don’t.
Now here we have some illegals who have stolen enough work and money from me that they can send THEIR kids to private school.
Not a slap in my face enough, they then want their kids to be able to use a foreign language to bully other kids.
My take here Jed is that you above the fray and outta the way enough to feel self righteous in your charity.
On further reading I have to ask.
Just when did you last work for a living Jed?
Jed,
I delivered my the truth in Spanish. I thought that’s what she wanted.
It just makes the situation more evident. The mother is getting her back so high in the air in an attempt to get it dried off.
Opps–my Spanish is not so good.
It should be Mojada Puta–me think.
BJ,
I’m an artist, and as such my working life will most likely last as long as I do. Artists don’t generally retire.
The business side of art is just about as international as any business can get. I’ve had to compete for sales with just about every other artist in the world market for all of my professional life. I’m not particularly worried about illegal artists because art is imported and exported all the time. It doesn’t matter whether the artists I’m competing against are in the country illegally since I’m competing with them whether they’re in Wichita, New York, Mexico City, Germany or Australia. And since collectors very often go somewhere away from home to buy art, I’d be at a disadvantage without dealers in the art centers because so few people visit Wichita voluntarily.
People buy art because they want to; it’s not a necessity like a new roof or food is. I have to be good at what I do to make a living, and even then when money gets tight, people don’t buy. My major concerns aren’t with the local scene, but the world economy and the value of the dollar. If I had to depend on the local market for sales, I would have had to go somewhere else to make a living. The Wichita market for art wouldn’t support anyone.
Catholic schools have the right to make their own rules and they aren’t bound by the constitution.
The kid whose mother filed the lawsuit would talk back to the teacher in Spanish whenever she reprimanded him..and he refused to stop doing it.
I heard the families are hoping the diocese will settle out of court..$$$$$ is such a motivator.
I hope when the judge throws it out of court, the families end up having to pay for all the lawyers fees and court costs. It’ll be disapponting if the diocese pays them off just to make them go away.
Well I am glad you have a talent let’s you make a living Jed.
It explains a bit your lack of concern for American workers. You can afford to defer to “compassion” to the illegals.
That doesn’t help them or their country though you know. And it doesn’t help attitudes toward those who are here when their kids can go to better schools than the average American and use their language to bully American kids.
“The Wichita market for art wouldn’t support anyone.” [Jed]
Doesnt speak so good for our city, eh Jed??
Sorry to hear that!!
Some of you find it impossible to conceive that some people do speak two different languages and can communicate well in either. Obviously “Regular” doesn’t. The quality of that Spanish is somewhere between incompetent and incomprehensible. Probably used an online translator. No surprise to see the bigots active here as usual. These kids, while outside of class, simply find it convenient to talk in Spanish with one another, and all the haters come out. The fact is that Kansas is one of the states which depends MOST on export trade, and a bunch of people who can only speak English won’t be very competitive in selling our products abroad. Our state and our country need more, not fewer, people who can speak more than one language.
You missed the whole point, RobertL…the kids were using Spanish to bully and be disrespectful to their peers and their teacher. The bottom line is that the private schools have the right to make their own rules…it really doesn’t matter what people like you think.
I’m sure the little darlings can speak all the Spanish they want at the public schools..which is where they belong if they can’t handle the discipline of the Catholic schools.
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Benefits of being bilingual,
So what you are advocating is that the teachers and staff learn Spanish so they can quash little Mojada Miguel in his own language when he is disrespectful.
Good Idea, then he can be a bully in two languages.
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