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	<title>Comments on: Bush used propaganda campaign to sell war, spokesman says</title>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-371832</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jack...&lt;/strong&gt;

All I can say is WOW! Extremely nice layouts, awesome graphics and great articles. No matter how many times I come here, I am still impressed by the very professional appearance. Congratulations on a job well done....</description>
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<p>All I can say is WOW! Extremely nice layouts, awesome graphics and great articles. No matter how many times I come here, I am still impressed by the very professional appearance. Congratulations on a job well done&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: global oil refining &#38; petroleum</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-371177</link>
		<dc:creator>global oil refining &#38; petroleum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;global oil refining &amp; petroleum...&lt;/strong&gt;

Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>global oil refining &#38; petroleum&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Man i just love your blog, keep the cool posts comin&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: outlander</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359816</link>
		<dc:creator>outlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, of course!  It&#039;s our own fault. America didn&#039;t acquiesce to the demands of the terrorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, of course!  It&#8217;s our own fault. America didn&#8217;t acquiesce to the demands of the terrorists.</p>
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		<title>By: SolDevVB</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359808</link>
		<dc:creator>SolDevVB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the group that would later become Al Qaeda wrote&lt;/i&gt;

They were given that name by the CIA when they trained them to fight the Soviets. Translates to &quot;The Database&quot; roughly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the group that would later become Al Qaeda wrote</i></p>
<p>They were given that name by the CIA when they trained them to fight the Soviets. Translates to &#8220;The Database&#8221; roughly.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359806</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing the CONs never want to talk about?

&lt;i&gt;Why&lt;/i&gt; Wahabbi jihadis suddenly chose to attack the US with such vehemence in the early &#039;90&#039;s?

After the first WTC bombing in 1993, the group that would later become Al Qaeda wrote: &quot;We are, the Liberation Army fifth battalion, again. Unfortunately, our calculations were not very accurate this time. However, we promise you that next time it will be very precise and World Trade Center will continue to be one [of] our targets, &lt;i&gt;unless our demands have been met&lt;/i&gt;.&quot;  [My italics]

What demands?

Get US troops out of Saudi Arabia.  That was it.

After GHW Bush waved Saddam into Kuwait, the Saudis were creaming their jeans afraid that Iraq would just keep coming.  The Wahabbi jihadis were much more upset about our troops seeming to occupy &quot;the land of the two holies&quot; [Mecca and Medina].

So HW had a solution after the war, promise to leave but instead just stay, leave our troops there indefinitly.  He did.  

And the attacks started.  

Clinton, too, knew what was fueling the anti-American violence, and he too did nothing to alleviate it at its root.  

And the attacks continued.  

The GW stole the election in 2000, and we got 9-11.

Soon after, of course, GW the &quot;appeaser&quot; pulled our troops out of Arabia . . . too little, too late.

Osama bin Laden and his group acheived their main goal, while we remain mired in endless war in the mid-east, which was their secondary goal.

History tells us that this is what always to empires.  They pay the price of constant war right up until they are destroyed utterly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing the CONs never want to talk about?</p>
<p><i>Why</i> Wahabbi jihadis suddenly chose to attack the US with such vehemence in the early &#8217;90&#8217;s?</p>
<p>After the first WTC bombing in 1993, the group that would later become Al Qaeda wrote: &#8220;We are, the Liberation Army fifth battalion, again. Unfortunately, our calculations were not very accurate this time. However, we promise you that next time it will be very precise and World Trade Center will continue to be one [of] our targets, <i>unless our demands have been met</i>.&#8221;  [My italics]</p>
<p>What demands?</p>
<p>Get US troops out of Saudi Arabia.  That was it.</p>
<p>After GHW Bush waved Saddam into Kuwait, the Saudis were creaming their jeans afraid that Iraq would just keep coming.  The Wahabbi jihadis were much more upset about our troops seeming to occupy &#8220;the land of the two holies&#8221; [Mecca and Medina].</p>
<p>So HW had a solution after the war, promise to leave but instead just stay, leave our troops there indefinitly.  He did.  </p>
<p>And the attacks started.  </p>
<p>Clinton, too, knew what was fueling the anti-American violence, and he too did nothing to alleviate it at its root.  </p>
<p>And the attacks continued.  </p>
<p>The GW stole the election in 2000, and we got 9-11.</p>
<p>Soon after, of course, GW the &#8220;appeaser&#8221; pulled our troops out of Arabia . . . too little, too late.</p>
<p>Osama bin Laden and his group acheived their main goal, while we remain mired in endless war in the mid-east, which was their secondary goal.</p>
<p>History tells us that this is what always to empires.  They pay the price of constant war right up until they are destroyed utterly.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359799</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gener Aston writes:

&quot;Of course you are right CF2K, it was 1993, forgive me and of course as a lib I would expect you to then disregard my entire arguement because of that error in year.&quot;

I noticed how quiet it got when the Libs pointed out that if one blames Clinton for the 9-11 attack which occured 8 months after BUSH took office, then one would have to blame GHWBush even more for the &#039;93 attack which occured a scant one month after Clinton took the oath of office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gener Aston writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course you are right CF2K, it was 1993, forgive me and of course as a lib I would expect you to then disregard my entire arguement because of that error in year.&#8221;</p>
<p>I noticed how quiet it got when the Libs pointed out that if one blames Clinton for the 9-11 attack which occured 8 months after BUSH took office, then one would have to blame GHWBush even more for the &#8216;93 attack which occured a scant one month after Clinton took the oath of office.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenEDavis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359784</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenEDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 17:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From accounts by McClellan I&#039;ve read today, it sounds as though he thinks Bush believes his lies.  If so, do they still qualify as lies?  Delusions maybe?

Reminds me of some far right posters around here to tell ya the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From accounts by McClellan I&#8217;ve read today, it sounds as though he thinks Bush believes his lies.  If so, do they still qualify as lies?  Delusions maybe?</p>
<p>Reminds me of some far right posters around here to tell ya the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359744</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Naw gster. Just the usual endless repetition of the talking points of the day.

melting optional :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Naw gster. Just the usual endless repetition of the talking points of the day.</p>
<p>melting optional :)</p>
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		<title>By: gster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359741</link>
		<dc:creator>gster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not that they had a defensive play all set to roll out or anything. I mean, what are the odds they’d all choose the same words?

Puzzling, no?&quot;

Could this be a , Gasp, a Group Vulcan Mind Meld???

Or just a regular mind melt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not that they had a defensive play all set to roll out or anything. I mean, what are the odds they’d all choose the same words?</p>
<p>Puzzling, no?&#8221;</p>
<p>Could this be a , Gasp, a Group Vulcan Mind Meld???</p>
<p>Or just a regular mind melt?</p>
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		<title>By: gster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359706</link>
		<dc:creator>gster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Bush is going to write a book to explain his activities over the last 8 years? 

I wonder what the title might be?

&quot;Perspecticles&quot;-?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Bush is going to write a book to explain his activities over the last 8 years? </p>
<p>I wonder what the title might be?</p>
<p>&#8220;Perspecticles&#8221;-?</p>
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		<title>By: WSClark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359687</link>
		<dc:creator>WSClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posts a blip yesterday about the cocaine story, SD. That&#039;s damned funny, eh?

Couldn&#039;t remember!?!?

Now I have had a beer or three in my day and my alleged marijuana &quot;addiction&quot; is well known, but I have never been to a party so wild that I &quot;couldn&#039;t remember if I used cocaine.&quot;

(And for the record - no cocaine, in any form, ever.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posts a blip yesterday about the cocaine story, SD. That&#8217;s damned funny, eh?</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t remember!?!?</p>
<p>Now I have had a beer or three in my day and my alleged marijuana &#8220;addiction&#8221; is well known, but I have never been to a party so wild that I &#8220;couldn&#8217;t remember if I used cocaine.&#8221;</p>
<p>(And for the record &#8211; no cocaine, in any form, ever.)</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359678</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It appears he’s being dumped on for saying these things&quot;

Uh, gster?

I guess you didnt get the talking points. Bartlett, Perino, Rove and the preznit are all &quot;puzzled&quot; and &quot;saddened&quot; and saying &quot;this isnt the snotty mcclelland we all knew&quot;.

Not that they had a defensive play all set to roll out or anything. I mean, what are the odds they&#039;d all choose the same words?

Puzzling, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It appears he’s being dumped on for saying these things&#8221;</p>
<p>Uh, gster?</p>
<p>I guess you didnt get the talking points. Bartlett, Perino, Rove and the preznit are all &#8220;puzzled&#8221; and &#8220;saddened&#8221; and saying &#8220;this isnt the snotty mcclelland we all knew&#8221;.</p>
<p>Not that they had a defensive play all set to roll out or anything. I mean, what are the odds they&#8217;d all choose the same words?</p>
<p>Puzzling, no?</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359675</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just THINK of the long list of bush appointees who either thumb their noses at congressional investigations or who cant remember anything if they actually show up for questioning.

I guess when the DOJ is totally owned and operated by bushco, they dont need no stinkin&#039; laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just THINK of the long list of bush appointees who either thumb their noses at congressional investigations or who cant remember anything if they actually show up for questioning.</p>
<p>I guess when the DOJ is totally owned and operated by bushco, they dont need no stinkin&#8217; laws.</p>
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		<title>By: ksfarmgrrl</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359667</link>
		<dc:creator>ksfarmgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh Steven. AGAG must have been having one looooong party over at the dept of injustice since he cant seem to remember a goddamned thing that happened while he was gonzo the super lawyer.

And I think the inability of the regent&#039;s law school twits, cant think of their names now, must mean they were at the DOJ party too.

Liars. They should all be, as Rachel Maddow says, &quot;in the crowbar hotel&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh Steven. AGAG must have been having one looooong party over at the dept of injustice since he cant seem to remember a goddamned thing that happened while he was gonzo the super lawyer.</p>
<p>And I think the inability of the regent&#8217;s law school twits, cant think of their names now, must mean they were at the DOJ party too.</p>
<p>Liars. They should all be, as Rachel Maddow says, &#8220;in the crowbar hotel&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: StevenEDavis</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359655</link>
		<dc:creator>StevenEDavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 15:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. McClellan uses the book to drop a personal bombshell, recounting a phone conversation between Mr. Bush and a political supporter in which, he says, he overheard the president dismiss “ridiculous campaign rumors” about accusations of cocaine usage by saying he could not recall if he had tried the drug.

“We had some pretty wild parties back in the day,” Mr. McClellan wrote, recounting Mr. Bush’s words, “and I just don’t remember.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/washington/30scottcnd.html?hp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. McClellan uses the book to drop a personal bombshell, recounting a phone conversation between Mr. Bush and a political supporter in which, he says, he overheard the president dismiss “ridiculous campaign rumors” about accusations of cocaine usage by saying he could not recall if he had tried the drug.</p>
<p>“We had some pretty wild parties back in the day,” Mr. McClellan wrote, recounting Mr. Bush’s words, “and I just don’t remember.”<br />
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<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/washington/30scottcnd.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/30/washington/30scottcnd.html?hp</a></p>
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		<title>By: gster</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359557</link>
		<dc:creator>gster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this noise about McClellan&#039;s book  and I have yet to hear anyone stating he was incorrect or lied. It appears he&#039;s being dumped on for saying these things, not that he was incorrect about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this noise about McClellan&#8217;s book  and I have yet to hear anyone stating he was incorrect or lied. It appears he&#8217;s being dumped on for saying these things, not that he was incorrect about them.</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
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		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phantom
Posted May 29, 2008 at 8:23 am &#124; Permalink
If Fitz. learns that libby colluded with rove in setting up their story line, can he re-open the investigation and bring new charges on his own?

GREAT IDEA!

I&#039;d love to see some good plea bargaining for the &#039;lessors&#039; among the Bush-Rats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phantom<br />
Posted May 29, 2008 at 8:23 am | Permalink<br />
If Fitz. learns that libby colluded with rove in setting up their story line, can he re-open the investigation and bring new charges on his own?</p>
<p>GREAT IDEA!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see some good plea bargaining for the &#8216;lessors&#8217; among the Bush-Rats.</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Fitz. learns that libby colluded with rove in setting up their story line, can he re-open the investigation and bring new charges on his own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Fitz. learns that libby colluded with rove in setting up their story line, can he re-open the investigation and bring new charges on his own?</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is amusing that Bush’s apologists use the fact that some democrats were foolish enough to believe their boy’s lies as some sort of justification for those lies&quot;
Today McClellan said he like most Americans gave bush the benefit of the doubt, believing he had info./knowledge not shared by lesser men.
Remember when the bushies were pressing that line? Just turned out his emperor had no clothes, and no knowledge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is amusing that Bush’s apologists use the fact that some democrats were foolish enough to believe their boy’s lies as some sort of justification for those lies&#8221;<br />
Today McClellan said he like most Americans gave bush the benefit of the doubt, believing he had info./knowledge not shared by lesser men.<br />
Remember when the bushies were pressing that line? Just turned out his emperor had no clothes, and no knowledge!</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359535</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 13:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Condi says today &quot; War, it&#039;s the Right Thing To Do.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Condi says today &#8221; War, it&#8217;s the Right Thing To Do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: writerdog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359505</link>
		<dc:creator>writerdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SEMPERFIGUY I see your points and some I agree with, those some need to be seen for the other end of the telescope. 10 to 1 ratio, the problem is of the 10 how many will the nationals of Iraq see as “the bad guys”? I used the term “nationals” because nothing draws a people together more than being invaded. Those 10 were not all foreign combatants or aligned with the up start “Al-Qaeda in Iraq” they were patriots of the country. Will they be forgotten or remembered by the people of Iraq? Again looking through the other end of the telescope.   

In deed if we were to just pull out it would leave a vacuum, but than can it be assumed that anyone else stepping in would be better welcomed?  A continued occupation (btw the Arabic translation of the word occupation means to enslave. It was a bad choice of words for Bemmer to have used) will fuel a growing fire in not just Iraq but the entire region.

McCellan touched upon the reason for the invasion that motivated it in the Administration’s mindset. The forceful spreading of Democracy and the reshaping of the Middle East. This might be news to the people of the United States, but to the people of the Middle East they were aware of the desire long before the invasion. We were not paying attention to the Neo-con agenda but they were. Now unless McCain is elected that desire will shrivel up and die here. But as long as there are visible forces on the ground in Iraq, The people of the Middle East will still see us having that intent. We need to do the smart things now, set up the infrastructures not on a national level but on regional and put the Iraqis of the region in charge of overseeing and protecting it. Once the average Iraqis has his water every time he turns on the tap and his is able to have lights and A.C. it will be amazing how much support for the government there is. 

For the Iraqis this is not a war of occupation it is a war from occupation. The plus for us is that most are more nationals than sectarians. That is why Al-Sadar may accept Iranian help but he does not accept their direction. He is a Iraqis not a Iranian, they happen to be two different sects of a same sect if that makes sense. 

But we have to stop looking at this solely from our end of the telescope because those in the Middle East are not seeing things like we are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SEMPERFIGUY I see your points and some I agree with, those some need to be seen for the other end of the telescope. 10 to 1 ratio, the problem is of the 10 how many will the nationals of Iraq see as “the bad guys”? I used the term “nationals” because nothing draws a people together more than being invaded. Those 10 were not all foreign combatants or aligned with the up start “Al-Qaeda in Iraq” they were patriots of the country. Will they be forgotten or remembered by the people of Iraq? Again looking through the other end of the telescope.   </p>
<p>In deed if we were to just pull out it would leave a vacuum, but than can it be assumed that anyone else stepping in would be better welcomed?  A continued occupation (btw the Arabic translation of the word occupation means to enslave. It was a bad choice of words for Bemmer to have used) will fuel a growing fire in not just Iraq but the entire region.</p>
<p>McCellan touched upon the reason for the invasion that motivated it in the Administration’s mindset. The forceful spreading of Democracy and the reshaping of the Middle East. This might be news to the people of the United States, but to the people of the Middle East they were aware of the desire long before the invasion. We were not paying attention to the Neo-con agenda but they were. Now unless McCain is elected that desire will shrivel up and die here. But as long as there are visible forces on the ground in Iraq, The people of the Middle East will still see us having that intent. We need to do the smart things now, set up the infrastructures not on a national level but on regional and put the Iraqis of the region in charge of overseeing and protecting it. Once the average Iraqis has his water every time he turns on the tap and his is able to have lights and A.C. it will be amazing how much support for the government there is. </p>
<p>For the Iraqis this is not a war of occupation it is a war from occupation. The plus for us is that most are more nationals than sectarians. That is why Al-Sadar may accept Iranian help but he does not accept their direction. He is a Iraqis not a Iranian, they happen to be two different sects of a same sect if that makes sense. </p>
<p>But we have to stop looking at this solely from our end of the telescope because those in the Middle East are not seeing things like we are.</p>
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		<title>By: Pleefer</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359488</link>
		<dc:creator>Pleefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 11:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the idiot that relates &quot;Jews&quot; with filthy Zionists: You are the reason NOTHING will change and keep getting worse in this soon-dead country and world. Get a clue, read a little REAL history (the kind that you actually have to study), quit hiding in your box and get some light shone in you. Nevermind, that&#039;d take too much time away from FOX NEws huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the idiot that relates &#8220;Jews&#8221; with filthy Zionists: You are the reason NOTHING will change and keep getting worse in this soon-dead country and world. Get a clue, read a little REAL history (the kind that you actually have to study), quit hiding in your box and get some light shone in you. Nevermind, that&#8217;d take too much time away from FOX NEws huh?</p>
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		<title>By: SEMPERFIGUY</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359431</link>
		<dc:creator>SEMPERFIGUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 06:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUSH WAS WRONG, and I made a mistake voting for him twice.  I&#039;d always viewed him as a lessor of all bad choices.  

I don&#039;t know!  Anyone who does, well, you probably will have better things to do than read this blog, but I will say this, WE ARE THERE.  The power vacume left by eliminating Saddam has allowed Iran to be a potentially even bigger problem than Saddam ever could have been.  The entire region has the ability to implode!  What does that mean?  We are not the only ones who depend on that oil.  Will others step in and get the job done?  If so, will it then be their oil?  I&#039;d love to see the looks on those sheit b@stards faces if China rolled in a million troops.  They think WE are bad!

If we just up and leave, will it be the end of the world?  It might!  Or, it might not!  Who knows?  Certainly not me!

I do know this, the world is full of people who want us dead.  It doesn&#039;t matter why, if we deserve it, or not.  The war in Iraq has created something unique.  A killing field for those who hate us.  We have lost 4000, they have lost 40,000 &quot;really&quot; bad guys.  That&#039;s a 10 to 1 ratio in our favor.  Eventually they will lose their will to fight, even if we are creating more enemies, as long as we are killing them faster than they can replace themselves, eventually we will win.  

However, they say 400,000 innocents have been killed in the cross fire.  So we have to kill 10 innocent people to get one bad guy?  Well, maybe, but if the &quot;innocent civilians&quot; want to stop getting killed, then they need to step up to the plate and help.  Wouldn&#039;t they just continue being killed once we leave?  Maybe even worse?

It&#039;s very confusing.  Part of me wants to see the Muslims eradicated from the planet, but let&#039;s face it.  They are lock cockroaches, they would somehow survive a nuclear blast.  I don&#039;t buy the &quot;good muslim, bad muslim&quot; crock of crud.  If your a &quot;good&quot; one, then YOU stop the bad ones.  If Christians were doing this crud, other Christians would be the ones stopping them, it would be explosive.  I personally don&#039;t trust any Muslim person.

They do have one good thing going for them.  The &quot;honor killing&quot; but they misuse it terribly.  I do support a parent&#039;s right, H@ll, it should be an obligation of a parent to take out their kid if they turn out to be a menace to society.  You made the problem, you deal with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUSH WAS WRONG, and I made a mistake voting for him twice.  I&#8217;d always viewed him as a lessor of all bad choices.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know!  Anyone who does, well, you probably will have better things to do than read this blog, but I will say this, WE ARE THERE.  The power vacume left by eliminating Saddam has allowed Iran to be a potentially even bigger problem than Saddam ever could have been.  The entire region has the ability to implode!  What does that mean?  We are not the only ones who depend on that oil.  Will others step in and get the job done?  If so, will it then be their oil?  I&#8217;d love to see the looks on those sheit b@stards faces if China rolled in a million troops.  They think WE are bad!</p>
<p>If we just up and leave, will it be the end of the world?  It might!  Or, it might not!  Who knows?  Certainly not me!</p>
<p>I do know this, the world is full of people who want us dead.  It doesn&#8217;t matter why, if we deserve it, or not.  The war in Iraq has created something unique.  A killing field for those who hate us.  We have lost 4000, they have lost 40,000 &#8220;really&#8221; bad guys.  That&#8217;s a 10 to 1 ratio in our favor.  Eventually they will lose their will to fight, even if we are creating more enemies, as long as we are killing them faster than they can replace themselves, eventually we will win.  </p>
<p>However, they say 400,000 innocents have been killed in the cross fire.  So we have to kill 10 innocent people to get one bad guy?  Well, maybe, but if the &#8220;innocent civilians&#8221; want to stop getting killed, then they need to step up to the plate and help.  Wouldn&#8217;t they just continue being killed once we leave?  Maybe even worse?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very confusing.  Part of me wants to see the Muslims eradicated from the planet, but let&#8217;s face it.  They are lock cockroaches, they would somehow survive a nuclear blast.  I don&#8217;t buy the &#8220;good muslim, bad muslim&#8221; crock of crud.  If your a &#8220;good&#8221; one, then YOU stop the bad ones.  If Christians were doing this crud, other Christians would be the ones stopping them, it would be explosive.  I personally don&#8217;t trust any Muslim person.</p>
<p>They do have one good thing going for them.  The &#8220;honor killing&#8221; but they misuse it terribly.  I do support a parent&#8217;s right, H@ll, it should be an obligation of a parent to take out their kid if they turn out to be a menace to society.  You made the problem, you deal with it!</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359348</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is amusing that Bush&#039;s apologists use the fact that some democrats were foolish enough to believe their boy&#039;s lies as some sort of justification for those lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is amusing that Bush&#8217;s apologists use the fact that some democrats were foolish enough to believe their boy&#8217;s lies as some sort of justification for those lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/bush-used-propaganda-campaign-to-sell-war-spokesman-says/#comment-359342</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing the bushie republicans will never understand is that the only currency that buys loyalty is loyalty in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing the bushie republicans will never understand is that the only currency that buys loyalty is loyalty in return.</p>
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