Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., increasingly looks like a 2010 gubernatorial candidate as he makes appearances around the state on a 105-county tour. But for now he’s focused on helping Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., win the White House, he recently said in Leavenworth. “After the fall I will see whether or not to get involved in the governor’s race,†Brownback said. He also continued his criticism of the Air Force tanker contract: “There are two things you shouldn’t be dependent on other countries for, your food and defense.â€
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I will admit it, when Brownback is on CSPAN I do generally enjoy him, he does come off as one of the more moderate Republicans ( well now that may have killed his chances huh?) and does ask the important questions. I am concerned though about him being the Governor, he does stand far to extreme in the religious direction. Kansas need to back away from how far wayward it has become in that direction.
It not only endangers the State but the faith itself, it would not do the states image any good for CNN to be reporting that the authority have taken every Kansas child into protective custody pending an investigate. ( Gee no I do not think that is in the future!)
“writerdog” notes –
“…It not only endangers the State but the faith itself…”
Indeed it does, and it’s one of the issues fundamentalist “Christian” activists never seem to understand.
You like the fundamentalist Muslims more?
“darkanonm” snarks –
“You like the fundamentalist Muslims more?”
Glad you asked!
I think fundamentalism — of any faith — has no place in American democracy.
Look what combining church and states in medieval Europe all the way to the Taliban in Afghanistan and ayatollahs in Iran.
Well, it would be nice to have Republican governor after the four terms of Democrat administration. Yes, I know Graves called himself a Republican…
Monkeyhawk; you are showing your leftist wacko colors early this morning eh?. So, you want to ban fundamentalism from the government? Let me ask you this; just how do you define “fundamentalism”?
So anyone who has any beliefs compatible with your definition of “fundamentalism” should have no voice in US politics? I think that demonstrate well the left’s goal to remove any vestige of religion from public life.
And the left says they are tolerant and inclusive. Well, as long as you agree with them.
I would guess that MH mis-spoke. I think the issue is to ban “Taliban” from government. Taliban being defined as those who would use government to establish a sort of “Sharia” law.
Russia is moving towards fascism, and the neocons support this action. Putin cracking down on Methodists, America turning a blind eye to the China attrocities so that our atheletes won’t have to give up their life dreams boo wah. Yeah, I feel so bad for the atheletes because the Olympics commission chose that BS, at least finally the fundies like Brownback are TRULY showing the morality they often have tried to say they believe in.
The more he puts out stuff like that, where he’s showing he’s going to tell people to shove off, he’s going to stand up for the right thing- the more I am really starting to appreciate him.
I hope so Ben. Monkey?
“outlander” –
I’m not saying fundamentalists have no place in government, but that fundamentalism has no place in democracy.
Any time a fundamentalist inserts his or her faith into civil law, there cannot be dissent because to do so would be “going against the will of God.”
That was Jesus’ message when he said, Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s and unto God that which is God’s.”
We don’t outlaw murder or stealing because “God says,” but because that’s how civilized societies operate.
That’s all I’m sayin’.
Brownback, who is tied to extremists like John Hagee, for governor? Wouldn’t he make Kansas the laughing stock of comedians and cable news, again? He wants public school teachers to teach Genesis as science and Revelations as international relations, as his friend Hagee does? Brownback still supports the War that the Pope has condemned? That might float with the right wing fringe but, quite frankly, he’s out of touch with the mainstream.
kansasdem
Posted May 2, 2008 at 9:14 am | Permalink
Brownback, who is tied to extremists like John Hagee, for governor?
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brilliant,
Hagee and Brownback tied…Brownback is Catholic you know.
Nothing like building your hate over non-existent facts eh Kansasdem?
But if Brownback leaves the Senate, who will Hillary have her “prayer breakfasts” with.
I kid you not.
Hillary meets with American Taliban like Brownback and they all pray together.
Speaking in tongues is optional.
apnAmerica
Posted May 2, 2008 at 9:47 am | Permalink
But if Brownback leaves the Senate, who will Hillary have her “prayer breakfasts” with.
I kid you not.
Hillary meets with American Taliban like Brownback and they all pray together.
Speaking in tongues is optional.
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So says the Sunday School teacher (cough) as he spews his religious intolerance.
All for me and none for thee eh Crapn?
“Prayer breakfasts” in the Senate are to real prayer as sex with a prostitute is to real sex.
” So, you want to ban fundamentalism from the government?”
Well of course, each individual candidate has the opportunity (at least in elected offices) to acquit themselves.
But in general, I would say yes.
Outlander with all due respect to your beliefs, they after all, your beliefs. To me they have no basis in fact. You are not as preachy as some. But going by the posted beliefs of some fundamentalists here?
Well to me they are just not rational.
The best way I can explain it is like this. What if you knew a candidate firmly believed in the tooth fairy? Would you vote for such a person?
Already resorting to name-calling, “Regular” contributes –
“All for me and none for thee eh Crapn?”
The Hagee/Brownback connection is a tad tenuous. Both are in John WMD McCain’s inner circle of advisers, however. Either that says McBush is principles man who can get people who disagree on specifics to work for a common goal (sort of like Senators Clinton and Brownback getting together for a prayer breakfast), or McSame’s moral compass is askew.
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Monkeyhawk
Posted May 2, 2008 at 7:48 am | Permalink
“writerdog” notes –
“…It not only endangers the State but the faith itself…”
Indeed it does, and it’s one of the issues fundamentalist “Christian” activists never seem to understand.”
Yeah Monkey. That mystifies me as well. That they dont see what the government giveth, the government taketh away. I love how WE are socialists when we run to the government for protection, but they are not when THEY run to the government for “protection” er, promotion.
So it’s a bad thing for Hillary to “reach across the aisle” and pray with republicans?
Isnt that what obama says? We need to “reach across the aisle” and be “inclusive” and “listen” to folks we disagree with, like mcclurkin?
Your Hillary hatred is showing. Better button up.
As long as Hillary doesnt impose that taliban stuff on US, like the repuke do with hate amendments, who cares if she prays with the enemy?
darkanonm
Posted May 2, 2008 at 7:49 am | Permalink
You like the fundamentalist Muslims more?
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Right, MonkeyH.
You spotted this classic “either/or” fallacy.
Because one opposing Christian fundamentalism doesn’t mean they support Islamic fundamentalism or any other kind of fundamentalism.
Just the opposite.
“ksfarmgrrl” asks –
“So it’s a bad thing for Hillary to “reach across the aisle” and pray with republicans?
Isnt that what obama says? We need to “reach across the aisle” and be “inclusive” and “listen” to folks we disagree with, like mcclurkin?”
Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear. I have no problem with Hillary and Sam praying over breakfast. I think it’s a good thing.
If you’ll recall, I was commenting that the so-called “connection” between Brownback and Hagee was tenuous.
“Your Hillary hatred is showing. Better button up.”
Actuallly, it seems like your “Monkeyhawk” hatred is in play here.
“As long as Hillary doesnt impose that taliban stuff on US, like the repuke do with hate amendments, who cares if she prays with the enemy?”
I agree. That’s kinda been my point on this thread all morning.
Maybe he has his sights on taking Iowa!
Since Brownback is stomping for John McCain, does this mean that Brownback also makes it clear at each campaign photo-op that he thinks McCain is wrong about the tanker deal? After all, McCain supports the Pentagon’s awarding the tanker deal to Airbus - and McCain is riding in an Airbus plane for his campaign. Just wondering.
“lucee” asks –
“Since Brownback is stomping for John McCain, does this mean that Brownback also makes it clear at each campaign photo-op that he thinks McCain is wrong about the tanker deal?”
Sit down and take a few deep breaths:
No, Sam Brownback does NOT mention the tanker deal when he’s stumping for McSame.
(I fear I may have given Kansas Republicans the “vapahs” with that one.)
Sam’s dealing from both sides of the deck. His 105-county tour is for scoping out the governorship. His hook-up with John Sidney McCain the Thrird is the slim possibility that a religious extremist might be needed as a vice-presidential candidate.
Monkey, I’m sorry for not being clear. I agreed with your posts. The other comments were directed at Captain, not you. Sorry for the confusion.
The only way Brownback has a shot at the presidency is through the McCain back door.
“Brownback, who is tied to extremists like John Hagee, for governor?”
Isn’t Brownback a Catholic? Doesn’t that make him a “Whore of Babylon”?
“Hagee has offered some highly provocative views on a variety of subjects.
For instance, he linked Hurricane Katrina to the gay rights movement: ” … All of the city was punished because of the sin that happened there in that city.”
He has also denounced the Roman Catholic Church as “the great whore of Babylon” and “a cult.” He blames it for the Holocaust and predicts its imminent demise.
“This is the apostate church,” Hagee said. ” … this false religious system is going to be totally devoured by the anti-Christ.””
http://www.whatsdrivingyoucrazy.com/blog/2008/03/01/rich-bigoted-preacher-endorses-mccaincatholic-church-whore-of-babylon/
Yep, I’m sorry to say that Sam Brownback is tied to Hagee’s hip. In fact, he helped cultivate Hagee’s endorsement of McCain. Sam was on the stage with them in San Antonio. The two go way back, before Sam converted to Catholicism, working together on rightwing fundamentalist issues, along with Hagee’s old friends Tom DeLay and John Cornyn.
Don’t believe me? Google it. Here’s one tidbit:
“Senators Sam Brownback (R-KS) and Rick Santorum (R-PA) attended the 2006 Washington, D.C., kickoff of Christians United for Israel, standing by as Hagee called for an End Times war on Iran. Senators John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison, old acolytes from Texas, were also present. (Under Karl Rove’s tutelage, Cornyn started his political career with a pilgrimage to Cornerstone Church.) Party chair Ken Mehlman joined Hagee on the speaker’s platform. President Bush sent a pre-recorded message.”
I think Hagee is on the list of suspects that Grandpa McCain would have, in his younger days, called “agents of intolerance.”
I’m sure that Sam would renounce Hagee’s radical statements. Someone should ask him.
It works out real well that Brownback and Roberts terms are staggered. Ever notice how they pass the Republican/bush support baton back and forth.
I expect Roberts will be distancing himself from bush, now that he has the loot bush raised, don’t expect Roberts to be cheerleading McCain either, after helping McCain screw the little dumb rank and file, republican with the McCain Ammendment.
“There are THREE things you shouldn’t be dependent on other countries for, your food and defense and your ENERGY.”
One shouldn’t be held hostage by Oligarchies for any of the three either.
Did you Weblog editors ask Brownback why he voted for the McCain ammendment, when he was making these statements? I thought not.
“The only way Brownback has a shot at the presidency is through the McCain back door.”
I didn’t know that McCain was that kind of guy.
Republican, ain’t he?
So then we’ve already lost two out of three? Because we already outsource a BIG part of our food supply and depend on foreign oil for our energy.
I think we outsourced our defense to blackwater, and at least for now, they are an American company, unless they follow cheney and halliburton to dubai.
Look guys, I don’t agree with Brownback on a lot of things. But can’t we all agree for once, that he is standing up for a GOOD THING here?
Nope, I want the SOB to paid back the money stolen from the people for the work (the lack of) that he was suppose to be doing when he was running a presidential campaign.
Until he pays back the money, he is not getting off the hook for work that he didn’t do.
We need Brownback to run for Governor in 2010. He will easily defeat the dirtbag Parkinson. Sorry Derek Schmidt, its just not your time. Then Moran can end Sebelius’s sorry political career and deny her the Senate seat she covets so badly. That will clear the way for Tim Huelskamp to succeed Moran as 1st district Congressman. Its time to clean house in this corrupt state and stop catering to the environmental wack jobs and those who are protecting George Tiller and Planned Parenthood. I can hardly wait!