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		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-364652</link>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346892</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:lol:

From Linda's link:
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"...Mr Werner, who has been sold a 50-year lease on the site by the Mayor of Baghdad for an undisclosed sum, says that the time is ripe for the amusement park. “I think people will embrace it. They’ll see it as an opportunity for their children regardless if they’re Shia or Sunni. They’ll say their kids deserve a place to play and they’ll leave it alone.”

Ali al-Dabbagh, a spokesman for the Government, is equally optimistic: “There is a shortage of entertainment in the city. Cinemas can’t open. Playgrounds can’t open. The fun park is badly needed for Baghdad. Children don’t have any opportunities to enjoy their childhood.” Mr al-Dabbagh added that entry to the park would be strictly controlled.

The project will cost $500 million (£250 million) and will be managed by Iraqis. Under the terms of the lease, Mr Werner will retain exclusive rights to housing and hotel developments, which he says will be both culturally sensitive and enormously profitable. ..."
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:lol:  

Like I said, you gotta give these idiots credit for Optimism (with a capital "O").  

Isn't this the same flavor of optimism that led to Augustus Stupidus's post-invasion reason for invading Iraq, nation building (the reason they came up with when it became patently obvious there were no WMD and that who cares, US troops weren't going to control conventional weapon stockpiles anyway)?  The same kind of naive dipshittery..er, optimism which led Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith to crow about how Iraq's oil revenue would pay for it all?  That led to "Mission Accomplished?"

And these Iraqis who will "strictly control" entry to the park:  aren't these the same Iraqis who hightail it outta Dodge whenever somebody brandishes a gun their way?  

They'll be providing security?  :lol:

Ahem.  Sorry.  Now THAT's funny.

:lol:  Great.  Now we'll need another surge just to protect this connected guy's investment and Iraqi kids with idiotic parents.</description>
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<p>From Linda&#8217;s link:<br />
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&#8220;&#8230;Mr Werner, who has been sold a 50-year lease on the site by the Mayor of Baghdad for an undisclosed sum, says that the time is ripe for the amusement park. “I think people will embrace it. They’ll see it as an opportunity for their children regardless if they’re Shia or Sunni. They’ll say their kids deserve a place to play and they’ll leave it alone.”</p>
<p>Ali al-Dabbagh, a spokesman for the Government, is equally optimistic: “There is a shortage of entertainment in the city. Cinemas can’t open. Playgrounds can’t open. The fun park is badly needed for Baghdad. Children don’t have any opportunities to enjoy their childhood.” Mr al-Dabbagh added that entry to the park would be strictly controlled.</p>
<p>The project will cost $500 million (£250 million) and will be managed by Iraqis. Under the terms of the lease, Mr Werner will retain exclusive rights to housing and hotel developments, which he says will be both culturally sensitive and enormously profitable. &#8230;&#8221;<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Like I said, you gotta give these idiots credit for Optimism (with a capital &#8220;O&#8221;).  </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this the same flavor of optimism that led to Augustus Stupidus&#8217;s post-invasion reason for invading Iraq, nation building (the reason they came up with when it became patently obvious there were no WMD and that who cares, US troops weren&#8217;t going to control conventional weapon stockpiles anyway)?  The same kind of naive dipshittery..er, optimism which led Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith to crow about how Iraq&#8217;s oil revenue would pay for it all?  That led to &#8220;Mission Accomplished?&#8221;</p>
<p>And these Iraqis who will &#8220;strictly control&#8221; entry to the park:  aren&#8217;t these the same Iraqis who hightail it outta Dodge whenever somebody brandishes a gun their way?  </p>
<p>They&#8217;ll be providing security?  <img src='http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ahem.  Sorry.  Now THAT&#8217;s funny.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  Great.  Now we&#8217;ll need another surge just to protect this connected guy&#8217;s investment and Iraqi kids with idiotic parents.</p>
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		<title>By: lindainks55</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346670</link>
		<dc:creator>lindainks55</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, another article about the amusement park.

"The 50-acre (20 hectare) swath of land sits adjacent to the Green Zone and encompasses Baghdad’s existing zoo, which was looted, left without power and abandoned after the American-led invasion in 2003. Only 35 of 700 animals survived – some starved, some were stolen and some were killed by Iraqis fearing food shortages.

"The larger entertainment park, designed by Ride and Show Engineering Inc, will follow in phases, part of a strategy launched two years ago by the Iraqi Government and the US to attract private investment into the country’s 192 state-owned factories.

"The factories were closed in 2003 by Paul Bremer, then the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, who believed that private enterprise would take their place. Instead, industries withered and half a million skilled workers were left jobless." 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3802051.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, another article about the amusement park.</p>
<p>&#8220;The 50-acre (20 hectare) swath of land sits adjacent to the Green Zone and encompasses Baghdad’s existing zoo, which was looted, left without power and abandoned after the American-led invasion in 2003. Only 35 of 700 animals survived – some starved, some were stolen and some were killed by Iraqis fearing food shortages.</p>
<p>&#8220;The larger entertainment park, designed by Ride and Show Engineering Inc, will follow in phases, part of a strategy launched two years ago by the Iraqi Government and the US to attract private investment into the country’s 192 state-owned factories.</p>
<p>&#8220;The factories were closed in 2003 by Paul Bremer, then the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, who believed that private enterprise would take their place. Instead, industries withered and half a million skilled workers were left jobless.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3802051.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3802051.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: RobertL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346667</link>
		<dc:creator>RobertL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 23:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really don't get any factual context from this blog or from Randy Scholfield's column. You have to go back to the original source to learn about the project, which is evidently NPR.

There already was a zoo and an amusement park at this site, which have reopened. The private entrepreneurs who are interested in expanding the site are out to make a buck. They think there will be a postwar Iraq that has a future (it is an oil producing country after all) and they want to get in and make money. The lead investor is from Los Angeles.

Here's the link to the NPR story:
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90090656</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really don&#8217;t get any factual context from this blog or from Randy Scholfield&#8217;s column. You have to go back to the original source to learn about the project, which is evidently NPR.</p>
<p>There already was a zoo and an amusement park at this site, which have reopened. The private entrepreneurs who are interested in expanding the site are out to make a buck. They think there will be a postwar Iraq that has a future (it is an oil producing country after all) and they want to get in and make money. The lead investor is from Los Angeles.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the link to the NPR story:<br />
<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90090656" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90090656</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346300</link>
		<dc:creator>Jed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bth,
"It’s too bad that Bush does not consider alQuada OUTSIDE of Iraq to be important."

No doubt he does! I'm sure he's quite grateful to Al Qaida for providing just the excuse he needed for invading Iraq, which he had been itching to do since before he was elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bth,<br />
&#8220;It’s too bad that Bush does not consider alQuada OUTSIDE of Iraq to be important.&#8221;</p>
<p>No doubt he does! I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s quite grateful to Al Qaida for providing just the excuse he needed for invading Iraq, which he had been itching to do since before he was elected.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346295</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Amusing Ourselves to Death is the title of Neil Postman's best book on the effect of television on our society.

He points out that the central focus of reading in society was supplanted by the visual images of television, with the result that we now spend more time obsessing over who will win the Super Bowl and American Idol than who will win the presidency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Amusing Ourselves to Death is the title of Neil Postman&#8217;s best book on the effect of television on our society.</p>
<p>He points out that the central focus of reading in society was supplanted by the visual images of television, with the result that we now spend more time obsessing over who will win the Super Bowl and American Idol than who will win the presidency.</p>
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		<title>By: CapnAmerica</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346292</link>
		<dc:creator>CapnAmerica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Following up on J R's comment--

Imagine the millions they could make if they put Bush in a dunk-tank . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following up on J R&#8217;s comment&#8211;</p>
<p>Imagine the millions they could make if they put Bush in a dunk-tank . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346262</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minnie will probably be subjected to a public stoning.</description>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346200</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, back to the topic.

You gotta give those Bushies credit for Optimism, eh? :lol:

Gotta be a connnected Texan developer.  Only a politically connected "movement conservative" Texan could dare to dream that there's dollars to be found in an amusement park where one would retire to a modern, 21st-century rollercoaster to find a bit of relaxation. :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, back to the topic.</p>
<p>You gotta give those Bushies credit for Optimism, eh? <img src='http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gotta be a connnected Texan developer.  Only a politically connected &#8220;movement conservative&#8221; Texan could dare to dream that there&#8217;s dollars to be found in an amusement park where one would retire to a modern, 21st-century rollercoaster to find a bit of relaxation. <img src='http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346196</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regular
Posted May 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm &#124; Permalink
Too many weird jokes popped into my head to even make a reasonable comment on this topic.
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No doubt.

Here's a suggestion.  Remove the words "testicle," "homosexual," "impotent," and "flail" from all those "jokes" and I believe you'll be left with a manageable number.

It may even be a non-zero number.

:lol:

(sorry to potentially hijack a good discussion, but THIS was just waaay too good to pass up)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regular<br />
Posted May 9, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink<br />
Too many weird jokes popped into my head to even make a reasonable comment on this topic.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>No doubt.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion.  Remove the words &#8220;testicle,&#8221; &#8220;homosexual,&#8221; &#8220;impotent,&#8221; and &#8220;flail&#8221; from all those &#8220;jokes&#8221; and I believe you&#8217;ll be left with a manageable number.</p>
<p>It may even be a non-zero number.</p>
<p> <img src='http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(sorry to potentially hijack a good discussion, but THIS was just waaay too good to pass up)</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346181</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed RFL - but that does not mean they migrated there.  It is more accurate to say that it grew there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed RFL - but that does not mean they migrated there.  It is more accurate to say that it grew there.</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
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		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Qeada in Iraq

For clarity, it is common to assign a geographic adjective when referring to a specific group that is located in a region where you would normally not associate them to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Qeada in Iraq</p>
<p>For clarity, it is common to assign a geographic adjective when referring to a specific group that is located in a region where you would normally not associate them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: TR_AILER</title>
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		<dc:creator>TR_AILER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Lord!

I'm shaking my head in disbelief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Lord!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m shaking my head in disbelief.</p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346173</link>
		<dc:creator>bth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how then are current Iraqi’s suddenly transformed as Al Qeada fighters (according to Ben’s view) who beforehand had no interest in Al Qaeda?

They choose to call themselves alQuada/Iraq.  Yes, they do get some outside help from US allies like Saudi Arabia but they are primarily home-grown resistence to the US occupation of their country.

There WAS a small alQuada presence in Kurdistan operating under our no-fly umbrella against Saddam but that was all there was pre-invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how then are current Iraqi’s suddenly transformed as Al Qeada fighters (according to Ben’s view) who beforehand had no interest in Al Qaeda?</p>
<p>They choose to call themselves alQuada/Iraq.  Yes, they do get some outside help from US allies like Saudi Arabia but they are primarily home-grown resistence to the US occupation of their country.</p>
<p>There WAS a small alQuada presence in Kurdistan operating under our no-fly umbrella against Saddam but that was all there was pre-invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: JMWalker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346172</link>
		<dc:creator>JMWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the serious side, there are how many displaced Iraqi citizens? They're going to love watching this freaking amusement park on the lone tv they use in some forgotten camp. Ya, cheney, you are indeed so out of touch with reality, you should be put away, if only to protect the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the serious side, there are how many displaced Iraqi citizens? They&#8217;re going to love watching this freaking amusement park on the lone tv they use in some forgotten camp. Ya, cheney, you are indeed so out of touch with reality, you should be put away, if only to protect the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Phantom</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346170</link>
		<dc:creator>Phantom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RFL that is why you have the military/political people saying Al-Quida in Iraq, because they are a splinter group (think subsidiary) de-centralized from the main group that attacked us. Their reason for existence is we are occupying an Islamic country.
I used to wonder why the 'in Iraq' label was used, delve into it you'll learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RFL that is why you have the military/political people saying Al-Quida in Iraq, because they are a splinter group (think subsidiary) de-centralized from the main group that attacked us. Their reason for existence is we are occupying an Islamic country.<br />
I used to wonder why the &#8216;in Iraq&#8217; label was used, delve into it you&#8217;ll learn.</p>
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		<title>By: JMWalker</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, baby : Baghdad golf and country club! 

EIGHTEEN HOLES OF A GOLF EXPERIENCE YOU WILL NEVER FORGET. EACH PUNCTURED-STEEL-PLATE FAIRWAY IS LINED WITH PRISTINE SAND DUNES. GREENS ARE SUPER FAST, AND VERY MOUNDY (mounds susceptible to sudden movements). 

Hole locations on the fused-sand greens change with each rocket attack. looking for golf balls located more than 6" off the fairway is not advised. IED's may be present, so look at your own risk. We have no beverage girls, so if you see one, she is probably a suicide bomber, and we advise running like hell. The golf term, "Through the green", has been suspended here until further notice.

THOSE SURVIVING EIGHTEEN HOLES WILL BE GIVEN A SPECIAL T-SHIRT SAYING, "I SURVIVED THE BAGHDAD GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, baby : Baghdad golf and country club! </p>
<p>EIGHTEEN HOLES OF A GOLF EXPERIENCE YOU WILL NEVER FORGET. EACH PUNCTURED-STEEL-PLATE FAIRWAY IS LINED WITH PRISTINE SAND DUNES. GREENS ARE SUPER FAST, AND VERY MOUNDY (mounds susceptible to sudden movements). </p>
<p>Hole locations on the fused-sand greens change with each rocket attack. looking for golf balls located more than 6&#8243; off the fairway is not advised. IED&#8217;s may be present, so look at your own risk. We have no beverage girls, so if you see one, she is probably a suicide bomber, and we advise running like hell. The golf term, &#8220;Through the green&#8221;, has been suspended here until further notice.</p>
<p>THOSE SURVIVING EIGHTEEN HOLES WILL BE GIVEN A SPECIAL T-SHIRT SAYING, &#8220;I SURVIVED THE BAGHDAD GOLF AND COUNTRY CLUB, AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RFL</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346160</link>
		<dc:creator>RFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I never said there was no such thing as alQuada. My point is that this is a new group - mostly Iraqis who had nothing to do with alQ before we invaded Iraq."

Based on what I have read from independent journalists as well as American and Iraqi leaders who know what is going on in Iraq, that point is just not accurate.

"There was no link between Sadaam and Al Qaeda"

The above statement is often used to undermine the justification for the current war effort.

However, if there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda prior to 2003 (which I agree there was not) how then are current Iraqi's suddenly transformed as Al Qeada fighters (according to Ben's view) who beforehand had no interest in Al Qaeda?

The evidence points to the fact the Al Qeada fighter is foreign to Iraq.  There was no AQ in Iraq prior to 2003 (I think we can all agree).  Therefore, the AQ presently in Iraq arrived there AFTER 2003 simply to fight the US led effort to stablize the country.  Therefore the AQ fighter is by definition NOT Iraqi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I never said there was no such thing as alQuada. My point is that this is a new group - mostly Iraqis who had nothing to do with alQ before we invaded Iraq.&#8221;</p>
<p>Based on what I have read from independent journalists as well as American and Iraqi leaders who know what is going on in Iraq, that point is just not accurate.</p>
<p>&#8220;There was no link between Sadaam and Al Qaeda&#8221;</p>
<p>The above statement is often used to undermine the justification for the current war effort.</p>
<p>However, if there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda prior to 2003 (which I agree there was not) how then are current Iraqi&#8217;s suddenly transformed as Al Qeada fighters (according to Ben&#8217;s view) who beforehand had no interest in Al Qaeda?</p>
<p>The evidence points to the fact the Al Qeada fighter is foreign to Iraq.  There was no AQ in Iraq prior to 2003 (I think we can all agree).  Therefore, the AQ presently in Iraq arrived there AFTER 2003 simply to fight the US led effort to stablize the country.  Therefore the AQ fighter is by definition NOT Iraqi.</p>
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		<title>By: Rage</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346156</link>
		<dc:creator>Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, wait, there's more!

&lt;i&gt; The Pentagon has put together a $5 billion plan to transform the Green Zone into a shopping mecca complete with luxury hotels and condos. &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt; At the moment, of course, the Green Zone is a walled, heavily fortified, frequently bombarded compound smack in the heart of Baghdad. In five years, though, it could be Fifth Avenue or Rodeo Drive. &lt;/i&gt;

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-raucous0507.artmay07,0,5208632.story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, wait, there&#8217;s more!</p>
<p><i> The Pentagon has put together a $5 billion plan to transform the Green Zone into a shopping mecca complete with luxury hotels and condos. </i></p>
<p><i> At the moment, of course, the Green Zone is a walled, heavily fortified, frequently bombarded compound smack in the heart of Baghdad. In five years, though, it could be Fifth Avenue or Rodeo Drive. </i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-raucous0507.artmay07,0,5208632.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-raucous0507.artmay07,0,5208632.story</a></p>
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		<title>By: JMWalker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346145</link>
		<dc:creator>JMWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tp=to or maybe tp will be needed:=;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tp=to or maybe tp will be needed:=;</p>
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		<title>By: JMWalker</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346144</link>
		<dc:creator>JMWalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, boy, the first thing I'm heading for when I vacation in Baghdad is the water boarding ride. Then a stop at the food stand for some scrumptious road camel on a stick. Then the marry-go-round and try tp pull the brass ring from the IED. And how could one pass up the ever popular "smack-da-whore-with-a-rock" game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, boy, the first thing I&#8217;m heading for when I vacation in Baghdad is the water boarding ride. Then a stop at the food stand for some scrumptious road camel on a stick. Then the marry-go-round and try tp pull the brass ring from the IED. And how could one pass up the ever popular &#8220;smack-da-whore-with-a-rock&#8221; game.</p>
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		<title>By: LLTVET</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346143</link>
		<dc:creator>LLTVET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That laundry list of AlQaida?  It's long, but I also remember folks in Iran having a list just as long.  We're getting it from both sides.  So let's not kid ourselves anymore about being able to just say AlQaida, and we will all just agree with what you say.  Unless you got both sides figured out, maybe it's time for some folks to start listening more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That laundry list of AlQaida?  It&#8217;s long, but I also remember folks in Iran having a list just as long.  We&#8217;re getting it from both sides.  So let&#8217;s not kid ourselves anymore about being able to just say AlQaida, and we will all just agree with what you say.  Unless you got both sides figured out, maybe it&#8217;s time for some folks to start listening more.</p>
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		<title>By: Rage</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346142</link>
		<dc:creator>Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I see. Dick Cheney is still trying to create his own reality (why won't that damn reality &lt;i&gt; cooperate&lt;/i&gt;?).

&lt;i&gt;GALLOW: You know, I look at this, and every once in a while, we’ll see a story, Mr. Vice President, things like an amusement park opens in Iraq or in Baghdad, which is totally counter to what we’re hearing over here, as far as the marketplaces being open, the schools, and things such as that. But I saw a story several weeks ago about an amusement center maybe over there, and I’m thinking this is not what you get in today’s media.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;CHENEY: No, that’s true. It’s — what gets covered obviously is bad news. That’s — you know, if everything is going swimmingly, then that’s not news, so it doesn’t get the kind of attention.&lt;/i&gt;

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/cheney-amusement-iraq/

Cute. They build an amusement park at taxpayer expense, and then turn to it to point out how great things are going in Baghdad.

&lt;i&gt;"So?"&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I see. Dick Cheney is still trying to create his own reality (why won&#8217;t that damn reality <i> cooperate</i>?).</p>
<p><i>GALLOW: You know, I look at this, and every once in a while, we’ll see a story, Mr. Vice President, things like an amusement park opens in Iraq or in Baghdad, which is totally counter to what we’re hearing over here, as far as the marketplaces being open, the schools, and things such as that. But I saw a story several weeks ago about an amusement center maybe over there, and I’m thinking this is not what you get in today’s media.</i></p>
<p><i>CHENEY: No, that’s true. It’s — what gets covered obviously is bad news. That’s — you know, if everything is going swimmingly, then that’s not news, so it doesn’t get the kind of attention.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/cheney-amusement-iraq/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/cheney-amusement-iraq/</a></p>
<p>Cute. They build an amusement park at taxpayer expense, and then turn to it to point out how great things are going in Baghdad.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;So?&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: bth</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346139</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"terrorist attacks against the US prior to the Iraq invasion"

When were US forces attacked by alQuada/Iraq?  

I never said there was no such thing as alQuada.  My point is that this is a new group - mostly Iraqis who had nothing to do with alQ before we invaded Iraq.

It's too bad that Bush does not consider alQuada OUTSIDE of Iraq to be important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;terrorist attacks against the US prior to the Iraq invasion&#8221;</p>
<p>When were US forces attacked by alQuada/Iraq?  </p>
<p>I never said there was no such thing as alQuada.  My point is that this is a new group - mostly Iraqis who had nothing to do with alQ before we invaded Iraq.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad that Bush does not consider alQuada OUTSIDE of Iraq to be important.</p>
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		<title>By: LLTVET</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/05/amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-baghdad/#comment-346136</link>
		<dc:creator>LLTVET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"....the folks we intended to fight all along."  
Perhaps so. 
But 
When we fight them in Afghanistan, we win when they lose. 
However
When we fight them in Iraq, someone else misbehaves when they lose.

Maybe I oversimplify</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.the folks we intended to fight all along.&#8221;<br />
Perhaps so.<br />
But<br />
When we fight them in Afghanistan, we win when they lose.<br />
However<br />
When we fight them in Iraq, someone else misbehaves when they lose.</p>
<p>Maybe I oversimplify</p>
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