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I got one of those robo-calls yesterday. I thought they were accusing Morrison of being a child molester, not a child killer. I erased it, so I can’t recheck it.
Kansas - I was wondering if anyone else had gotten one. My best friend just called me this morning to tell me she got one of the calls I had told her about.
If everyone in politics liked each other, it would be even more corrupt.
If Kline, or Klines “special prosecutor” find anything criminal against Morrison, that evidence will go to a Grand Jury, I believe, then to a Trial Court.
The Jury and the Judge need to be “impartial” — however, I EXPECT the prosecutor to be very biased against criminal activity.
By the way, the chances are very high that the Federal Government, through the US Attorney’s Office, might step in, here. Assuming that the charges are valid, there is a Federal case, as well.
Paul - the problem is that we have gone beyond adversarial to enemies. THAT can destroy the system. Unfortunately it appears that both sides have done this.
In fairness to Kline, I believe Kline has asked for these phone calls to stop.I get them, too.Way too much information, in the phone call and on the Web page.This bunch does a very poor job “connecting the dots”.
Try the “inverted pyramid” style, folks!
Don’t “bury the punch line” — give us the Who What When Where and Why and How in the first couple of paragraphs.
The last paragraph should be the least important.
Nobody wants to read all of that stuff.
Even if there is a real crime here, or real abuse, it reads like a John Birch Society or Michael Moore conspiracy theory.
Makes me doubt the message, if the abused party can’t find someone to help the messenger.
I don’t like Morrison, but baseless charges against him will only make him look better, in the end.
That is what happened with Clinton. The guy was a sleazeball, but he learned to knock down the lesser or harder to prove charges, then claimed “innocence” for everything.
Oh, and Clinton also taught the Democrats to turn every ethical scandal into a sex scandal.
Rox - the allegations are indeed within Kline’s jurisdiction in that the alleged events took plave in Johnson County and in that office. That said, however, Kline should not be in charge of the investigation due to conflict of interest. That is why I would like to see a REAL independent investigation into the allegations.
The phone calls and this ‘bumblebee’ website simply seem to be a bunch of nutjobs. Different issue entirely.
Rox,the call capitolizes on Morrison’s current scandel to introduce the case that is described in the link posted by TDT at 11:32 A.M.
The whole thing sounds like a very crazy juvenile court case. The either 14 or 19 year old wife is being held (illegally according to the husband) by the Kaw Valley Center - which is one of the sub-contractors that provides SRS services in Kansas. The husband is blaming Morrison for the “false imprisonment”. There is also something about the father trying to stop an illegal abortion and he was thwarted in that effort - which is from where the charges of child killing emerge, I guess.
The message on the web page is pretty convoluted as others have commented on.
I agree that Kline shouldn’t be involved, considering. If an unbiased investigation shows Morrison in the wrong, actions should be taken.
Adultery is a Class C misdemeanor? Wow! That would make over half the men in this country criminals, and a goodly amount of the women, too. Wish I’d known. I could’ve used this info.
Rox - the real issue is not the adultery but rather the allegation that Morrison tried to get her to do things to undermine the office. THAT is the serious issue IMO. And, IF TRUE, should result in removal and probably prosecution of Morrison.
On the other hand, if all there is is the ‘fooling around’ I would give Morrison’s wife Lorena Bobbit’s knife and be done with it.
Yes, Ben. I agree about an investigation. It just surprised me about the misdemeanor thing.
Okay, I skimmed over the fairtrials webpage and noticed that there is a lack of real information. Too many questions left unanswered. There are ways for a father to stop an abortion, all legal and on the up and up. Calling 911 is not one of them.
Kansas would be better off if they just made a pact that both would resign, save the ks. citizens some money. Kline could feel smug, since he’ll soon be out of political office soon anyway, having taken his arch enemy with him.We really don’t need these childish shenanigans.
Carter confided to Kline about affairBy Chris Green and Sarah Kessinger -
Harris News Service TOPEKA -
A woman revealed details about her extramarital affair with state Attorney General Paul Morrison to her boss, Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline, before the relationship became public earlier this week.
Linda Carter made a full disclosure of her past relationship with Morrison on Oct. 23 to Kline and one of his top deputies, Senior Deputy District Attorney Stephen Maxwell, according to a document from Kline’s office obtained by Harris News Service.
Kline and Maxwell may have been tipped off about the affair several months before Carter’s meeting with them, which came after she claims to have admonished Morrison to make peace with Kline, whom Morrison defeated in a battle for the state AG’s office.
Carter had worked for Morrison during part of his 18-year tenure as Johnson County district attorney, but she stayed on to work as director of administration for Kline after the bitter rivals swapped jobs earlier this year.
Thomas D. Williams, an investigator from Kline’s office, along with a court reporter took sworn testimony at a “discreet location” from Carter on Nov. 1, according to her documented testimony to Williams.
The statement was taken in the presence of Shawna Chambless, another employee in the office.
The Topeka Capital-Journal reported Sunday that Carter’s sexual harassment complaint against Morrison was forwarded seven days later to the federal Equal Opportunity Employment Commission. Carter signed a statement Nov. 16 based on her testimony to Williams, which became an investigative report that detailed her allegations that Morrison sexually harassed her and attempted to meddle in legal matters involving Kline’s office.
Morrison has acknowledged the affair but denies allegations of criminal or professional wrongdoing.
Carter ended up leaving her job in Kline’s office Nov. 30 and could not be reached for comment through her attorney, Brian Russell.
Information contained in the investigative report since has found its way to the press, first in a Topeka Capital-Journal story published Sunday, which cited a signed statement from Carter. However, the newspaper did not reveal how it obtained her statement or who provided it.
Since then, media outlets across the state have published stories based on information contained in the newspaper’s report.
The copy of Carter’s sworn statement obtained by Harris News Service is written in third person and includes details mentioned in the Capital-Journal’s report on Morrison’s romance with Carter. Both were married during the affair and have not divorced.
Morrison spokeswoman Ashley Anstaett said Morrison’s office has not seen Carter’s statement but questioned its validity if it had been taken by Kline’s office.
“I have my doubts it would have credibility,” Anstaett said.
Brian Burgess, a spokesman for Kline, did not return repeated phone calls from Harris News Service this week, although a secretary indicated he was in the office Thursday.
Political assault?
In the report, Carter also alleges that Morrison made repeated telephone calls that included threats to bad-mouth her to prospective employers after she disclosed the relationship to Kline, a claim which Morrison denied Thursday.
It also indicates that Morrison called Carter’s cellular phone on Oct. 31 and “threatened to destroy” Carter’s job in Arkansas if she did not answer Morrison’s questions.
She indicated that 22 phone calls came from Morrison that day, “four of which were answered by Carter and overhead by Chambless and Maxwell.”
Morrison threatened that he would tell the prospective employer that Carter was a “monster, (expletive) sociopath, liar, (expletive) and bad manager.”
Kline was given permission by Johnson County commissioners Thursday to hire a special prosecutor to investigate blackmail and harassment, the same day that Morrison’s spokeswoman said the attorney general had hired an outside lawyer to represent him.
“I take full responsibility for my personal failings and once again apologize to all of the people across Kansas that I have let down,” Morrison said in a written statement Thursday. “There is no doubt, however, that all accusations of official or criminal wrongdoing are false and part of a political assault against me waged for partisan gain.”
Overland Park attorney Nick Badgerow will represent Morrison in an independent investigation of his professional conduct by the state’s attorney disciplinary office. Badgerow will also represent his client on the federal complaint.
Anonymous letter
Although Carter first provided all the details about her relationship with Morrison to Kline in October, Kline and his top deputy may have learned about the affair several months earlier.
In her statement, Carter said that in July Morrison called her to relay information that Kline had received an anonymous letter about their affair in March. Carter said she told Morrison that she doubted the letter’s existencex because she’d not heard of it. She said she assumed Kline would fire her if there were an actual letter.
A few days later, Morrison called Carter again to say that a former assistant district attorney had heard a letter had been sent to the district attorney’s office in March and eventually was turned over to Kline.
After receiving Morrison’s second call, Carter called Kline, according to her statement, and asked whether he had received a letter in March. Kline replied that he’d only read the first paragraph before making a conscious decision to read nothing further.
He then turned the letter over to Maxwell, who still had the letter, Carter stated.
“Morrison immediately blamed Carter for the letter since Morrison always relied on Carter’s judgment to maintain the integrity (secrecy) (sic) of their affair,” her statement read.
Morrison also told her that Kline would hold a press conference about the letter to destroy him. Carter’s statement indicates she assured Morrison that Kline had the letter since March and would not do anything to harm Carter.
It’s Friday afternoon….bad news always breaks on Friday afternoon.I suspect Morrison cannot control his pecker nor his anger, which triggered little miss 10-key to sell him out.
Tell me, after reading the lengthy blog above…just how weak and cowardly a woman is Ms. Carter? This sick twisted person took Morrison down…then quit her job. What an awful awful person. She deserves a post-birth abortion.
At least HE didn’t get kicked out of office like Kline.
I guess this disqualifies a whole lotta people for public office. I’m bookmarking the thread to see how consistent some of the Morrison bashers remain.
Careful, Kline will probably get appointed back to the AG Office because Governor Sebelius refuses to follow the Kansas Citizens wishes. Keep up on this or we will get nailed twice. SEnator Craig quit and said he was innocent. He is still in Office. This wide stance, give me time , I back and you cannot stop me, B.S. is B.S.!!!! He is waiting for the State Senate and House to go back to session and get a commuted sentence. They cannot act while they are not in session. Herbert West III Publisher/Journalist, west.herb@yahoo.com
Perhaps Mr. Kline could appoint the Tiller special prosecutor that Morrison fired on his first day in office to look into this. It woulld appear that mr. Morrison’s many indescretions may have affected his apparent notion that having an aboution Dr, around might be a handy thing.
This is bull. She’s claiming sexual harassment AFTER a two year affair. Come ON. And this whole thing reeks to high hell. To go to his arch enemy because he didn’t leave his wife for her, that’s just so so low.
And Justice and Comment Tator, something is so very wrong with your thinking…no I don’t need to submit to anyone. I was given free will and I plan to use it.And Tator, you’re out there man.
many sexual harassment charges are made far into the affair. It would not have been easy for mrs. Carter to have aired those complaints while Morrison was her boss, at least two other former employees did that and were dismissed due to “lack of evidence.” Morrison, as her direct supervisor, had leverage that kept her right where he wanted her, and it was partially human nature for her to think that while she was the imagined center of his attention that there was a relationship there. Only after some time of detachment does the victim often realize the extent of manipulation that has occurred, and that is when the complaint is most likely to occur. Anita Hill’s complaint against Clarence is an example of this, as is Monica Lewinski’s sudden cooperation with the Ken Starr investigation, the blue dress suddenly appearing after the famous nationally televised “I did not have sex with that woman” speech. Those kind of changes in a percieved relationship can inspire the crows to roost. In this case, the arguments that began in the Lawrence apartment, the alleged threats that ensued, no doubt convinced Ms. Carter that, ring and alleged tatoo notwithstanding, her role with Mr. Morrison was not as special as she had percieved and she felt harassed and threatened. Probably not a good idea on Mr. Morrison’s part to pull the old bad cop intimidation routine when Ms. Carter could react through Mr. Kline. Pretty stupid move from a man given to getting what he wanted by intimidation.
Thank you, chas, but a better example of spin is when a special interest organization teams with a politcal organization to vilify a serving AG for “political activity” and polish up a serving County Attorney with an already checkered past to the point that it becomes common acceptance that one is quantitively better than the other. Each of them certainly had motives in mind for the AG’s office: Kline apparently seemed fixated on saving babies; Morrison apparently leaned more toward creating them.
Nice to see that Trollboy has already convicted the men being tortured.
I thought we did that with judges and juries and all that. Not so much anymore, huh. Now all it takes is a declaration from some fascist moron, and Voila! conviction secured.
So “in love” now means the same thing as “due process” and “innocent until proven guilty,” does it?
Maybe in your little mind those things are the same. Those of us who inhabit the real world understand the difference.
In any case, you keep forgetting that rights are not granted. Not be me, not by you, not by anyone. Rights are, as our Founding Fathers pointed out, inherent and inalienable. I guess only a true conservative understands these things, though.
This is also a nation of laws, not unilateral declarations by fascist morons. You do know that the US has hanged people who did to Americans what the CIA reportedly did to the suspects in custody, right?
Now imagine if you an Al Qaeda specialist whose main mission in life is to destroy infidels.
The same Al Qaeda person asked what he would do when released, “Oh nothing personal, I like you, but I would kill you and all infidels by any means for the glory of Allah.”
Yeah okay Libs, go double lip lock with your buddy there. Then after your tender kiss, he can kill you.
Kansas - it’s like my view toward the Carr brothers or the Duke “rapists” - let’s be damn sure they are guilty before we hang them. We have rounded up many Afghans and Iraqis only to find out afterwards that they were not ‘bad guys’. Let’s keep that in mind when we happily torture them.
I was in the waiting room on the Oncology dept at the VA, when news of the Carr trial came on. The two gentlemen expressed the view that a trial was a waste of money. One expressed the view (in very hushed tones) that we “giving” too many rights to these “niggers.”
Inflammatory BS aside, Mr. Kansas raises an interesting point: Have become such a society of bedwetting cowards, that we’re willing the punish the innocent, just avoid ANY chance of releasing the guilty?
(Let’s leave aside the fact that an interrogation should not normally be a punishment!).
I was in the waiting room on the Oncology dept at the VA, when news of the Carr trial came on. There two gentlemen expressed the view that a trial was a waste of money. One expressed the view (in very hushed tones) that we are “giving” too many rights to these “niggers.”
Inflammatory BS aside, Mr. Kansas raises an interesting point: Have become such a society of bedwetting cowards, that we’re willing to punish the innocent, just to avoid ANY chance of releasing the guilty?
(Let’s leave aside the fact that an interrogation should not normally be a punishment!).
“Yeah okay Libs, go double lip lock with your buddy there. Then after your tender kiss, he can kill you.”
Posted by kansas
Talk about a specious argument. Substitute terrorist for al-qaeda and why everything just falls into place: Invade Iraq; hold suspected terrorists for as long as you wish (with no responsibility or accountability); torture those same suspected terrorists; tape the whole thing; then lose the tapes.
How does that sound? Is that what you’re trying to say? Sounds to me like this administration in a nut-shell, heavy on the nut.
“When will they learn.There are no ‘rules’ in war. Video tape nothing. Do what you have to do to win.”
Adopt this and the jihadists HAVE won. We just let them destroy our moral bedrock. How Vietnamesque! “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.” Bush had to destroy our Constitution in order to SAVE it? BAH!
When will you get it? This PHONY war was invented because someone told Bush that a President at war could always stay in power and have his way. So he invented an endless war with no possibility of a “win.”
Meanwhile the oil companies STILL get their tax breaks, the corporations continue to write the laws, and American workers continue to lose ground in a faltering economy with a substandard healthcare system as our kids play with poisonous uninspected toys, and mortgage company thieves laugh all the way to the bank.
We EXECUTED Japanese officers for waterboarding in WWII.
So here was an Al Qaeda Terrorist that the CIA and other countries tracked for months, listened in on his conversations, tracked his money, knew his associations, followed his deeds and was pointed out by other terrorists that he was the Master Mind of 911.
And all the Libs want to do is give him “his rights.”
Okay, here you go. The next time a field CIA operative encounters this situation in the field, his six shooter will accidentally go off 15 times in the terrorist’s head.
Now Kansas attempts to justify waterboarding by bringing it in the BACK door…. “low on the list”
Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 06:07 PM
No, smooth brain.
David B. emphatically stated it was reason for execution. It’s a lie.
The Japanese officers executed were convicted for horrible crimes like murder of rope bound men, forcing prisoners march, liveing hell under conditions that made death camps a desirable place to go.
Everybody in our system of laws has their rights… even if we catch them red-handed!
But, that isnt what you would like to have, now is it?? You would rather have us blow them away, and then invent a story how they were getting away, and needed to be shot. Because, wheh it comes down to brass tacks, Kansas, you really dont believe in our Constitution or our freedoms.
That would seem to be the picture you paint here frequently. And then, you hold out false claims of how the Liberals hate our country?? Balderdash!!
Shooting Patriots founded this country Chas and saved the butt of America many times.
Besides, a well placed shot into a terrorist’s head is just a fact and denies the MSM from making those stories of whim and merry that entice Libs like you Chas. :)
LOL!!! Oh you got me!!! Mea Culpa!!! I did not lie, I just failed to list the entire set of accusations made against the war criminals. Sorry I thought was a blog, not a scholarly journal requiring footnotes.
BUT!! Nice try to change the subject of torture by the CIA!
As Orwell wrote in 1984 while explaining Perpetual War:War is PeaceFreedom is SlaveryIgnorance is StrengthWe may now add: Waterboarding is Not Torture
LOL Did you see on TV the CIA guy who PERFORMED THE WATERBOARDING saying that he believes it is torture???
In its 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State formally recognized “submersion of the head in water” as torture in its examination of Tunisia’s poor human rights record,[58] and critics of waterboarding draw parallels between the two techniques, citing the similar usage of water on the subject.
In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[56] The charges of Violation of the Laws and Customs of War against Asano also included “beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward.”
LOL Did you see on TV the CIA guy who PERFORMED THE WATERBOARDING saying that he believes it is torture??? Posted by: David B | December 17, 2007 at 06:33 PM
Yeah, I watched everyone of the interviews with him.
That CIA helped capture him. However, he was re-assigned to another unit after the capture and did not see nor was privy to the information where the prisoners that were captured were kept.
Not a reliable source of information, but someone who wanted their time in the spot light. Looks like it was a winner, as the reporter believed the person who wasn’t there and better yet the Libs believe them.
Let it be known to ALL: KANSAS condones the murder of prisoners, if it speeds up the time it would take to put them on trial!! Such an American, Flag flapping thing for Kansas to be proud of!!
And for attitudes like this, I dont know whether to say, “Thank you for your service,” OR to just say, “My deepest sympathy.”
Let it be known to ALL: KANSAS condones the murder of prisoners, if it speeds up the time it would take to put them on trial!! Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 06:48 PM
That would be incorrect Chas.
The terrorists would be disengaged of their ‘liberties’ in the field before they were captured with them resisting capture.
Capturing dangerous armed terrorists is not an easy thing to do, fatalities are likely to occur when dynamic encounters occur. :)
MURDER is not funny… 99% of the people on this Blog would not find MURDER being funny… But YOU, oh wise Kansas, YOU think it is funny… YOU would make jokes about it, except that it really isnt a joke to YOU… because you really believe that BS..
My deepest sympathy to you, former wearer of one of our nation’s uniforms! And my pity for you as well!
MURDER is not funny… 99% of the people on this Blog would not find MURDER being funny… But YOU, oh wise Kansas, YOU think it is funny… YOU would make jokes about it, except that it really isnt a joke to YOU… because you really believe that BS..Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 06:55 PM
A soldier or an agent in the field in pursuit of a dangerous terrorist does not commit murder when the terrorist resists using weapons or tries to put on a suicide belt or other means that may bring harm to the soldier or agent.
Pat Roberts is a coward. This Hoekstra cat has some honor….let’s see how far he takes it.I am telling you this - Karl Rove finger prints are all over this. I bet there are a lot of emails being deleted into oblivion on Pennsylvania Ave.
The Constitution is not the source for human rights. They are endowed by our Creator and not bestowed just upon Americans. They are the right of ALL humans. To believe otherwise dehumanizes us all. Why do Republicans not understand this?
10 out of 10 retards believe that 20 Arabs based out of a cave in Afghanistan, armed with pocket knives circumvented our trillion-dollar military apparatus and flew planes into WTC 1 & 2, and performed a miraculous flight maneuver, circling 330 degrees at 500 miles per hour into the Pentagon, untouched by any Military interceptor. And unless you have something to hide (being in Guvmunt) you will be open and honest with overseers. Otherwise you will have to continue to lie to keep all of your other lies hidden. We’ve been hijacked.
Even in 1993 our “Loving Government” was up to some mischief, but then again I’m probably full of it. Check it out:
I have served in the Persian Gulf and I believe the government should use whatever means necessary to avoid any kind of attacks on this great country that I served and that my brother and sister soldiers are dying for!!!
For those that would place the ‘rights’ of terrorists and enemies over the very life’s of their families are folks I am glad are not a part of my family. I guess it’s easy to moralize about torture when you don’t feel personally threatened, but the people dieing are a part of someone’s family you just don’t care about apparently. Like I said much earlier. With respect to the defense of my family and my country;There are no rules.No video taping war.I will do what I have to do as quickly and efficiently as possible.Anyone that thinks differently will end up dead or a slave to their victor.
“I will do what I have to do as quickly and efficiently as possible.Anyone that thinks differently will end up dead or a slave to their victor”
Well put on your cape and get to saving us! I am SO scared of the mean terrorists and eager for you to vanquish them so I can come out from under my bed!
The radical “conservatives” lie, and lie, and lie, and lie.
This isn’t about combatants on an active battlefield. Those are fair game, and the rules of engagement are clear on the use of force.
Many of the so-called “terror suspects” that are in Guantanamo and other classified facilities have been picked up because field intelligence indicates they might be involved in terrorism. However, some of this “intelligence” is neighbors making up tales about each other. It’s sometimes someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Sometimes, it’s our own government going after fellow American citizens. Have we all forgotten Brandon Mayfield? From Wiki:
“The FBI arrested Mayfield at his offices…under a material witness warrant rather than under charge, and held him with no access to family and limited access, if any, to legal counsel. The FBI initially refused to inform either Brandon or his family as to why he was being arrested or where he was being held - a direct violation of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution.”
And what about Jose Padilla? A native-born American citizen, standing on American soil, was arrested and denied access to counsel and courts for over three years while the government played a jurisdictional shell game of moving him from brig to brig.
Do you really think that, if the government had gotten away with what they did to Mayfield and Padilla that would have been the end of it? Do you really think anyone, anywhere in this country would be safe?
The issue with the CIA tapes is not something that lives in some kind of isolated bubble. It’s all part and parcel of an administration that doesn’t care about civil liberties, about the Constitution, or about the values of this nation. And those of you who sit here and make excuses, who continue the lies even when you know the lies are so exposed, share some of the responsibility for what is happening to what once was our beloved country.
Or perhaps a terrorist being taken out from 1000 yards out by a sniper is beyond your vision as well.
2 clips in the head from 1000 yds? Someone has been watching too many Swartzenegger movies. I’m really curious how the person is such a bad shot even with laser sights that one shot couldn’t get the job done.
Or perhaps a terrorist being taken out from 1000 yards out by a sniper is beyond your vision as well.
2 clips in the head from 1000 yds? Someone has been watching too many Swartzenegger movies. I’m really curious how the person is such a bad shot even with laser sights that one shot couldn’t get the job done.
Tom, I whole-heartedly agree with your last post. People don’t realize that that particular is not only slippery, it’s Teflon (registered trademark) clad.
J.R. you are an idiot.There were three thousand innocent people killed on 9/11, all with families that loved them and were devastated. If you have any active gray matter, which you have yet to display, you will note that practically all terror committed across the entire globe is done so by radical Islamists that will come for you as soon as they have opportunity. And, you are quite correct about one thing, and one only…they will find you cowering and weeping under your bed, you immature mindless little traitor.
“That’s where it always goes. Anyone who cherishes traditional American values is called a “traitor.”If you define “American Values” as the murder of innocent Americans, you are correct.And J.R., you are simply too mindless to be scared.
Since Trollboy is too effin’ wrapped up in his tiny little Rush O’Hannity world, I’ll repost my point:
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The issue with the CIA tapes is not something that lives in some kind of isolated bubble. It’s all part and parcel of an administration that doesn’t care about civil liberties, about the Constitution, or about the values of this nation. And those of you who sit here and make excuses, who continue the lies even when you know the lies are so exposed, share some of the responsibility for what is happening to what once was our beloved country.
Sigh. ..to begin with, this is NOT about waterboarding. Since they destroyed the tapes, we don’t know if the prisoners were being beaten with lead pipes or just, say, being forced to eat Spangles.
Oh, and by the way, nice dodge–”Who gives a crap about Mayfield in regards to waterboarding Tom? No one does, because the story isn’t about Mayfield.
It was about the hardened terrorists captured overseas and taken in for interrogation.”
–but your own “logic” defeats you. FYI, Mayfield was implicated in the terrorist bombings in Spain. That’s SERIOUS TERRORISM. They found his fingerprint (or so they thought). Why not waterboard his ass? Who CARES if he might have been innocent? He’s a TERRORIST! Because the government said so! End of discussion!
Even worse, he was an American–born in the country–and a lawyer to boot! A TRAITOR to his own people! Not surprising, seeing how he was a MUSLIM, eh?
The slimeball was DAMNED lucky to get off that easy!
{Psst. . .hey, guy, the fingerprint they relied on was a bad photocopy of the original–it doesn’t even match. .. they got nothing. . .Mayfield did nothing wrong!}
Oops.. . .NEVER MIND! Oh well, it doesn’t matter–we’ve got a War on Terrorism® to fight!
No, obviously you DON’T get it, and are DETERMINED not get it. And I fully predict any government “oops” will be met with the same response–it’s not relevant–it’s easier than addressing the issue.
Irrelevant?:”Writers jailed in 2002 for political satireAfter three years at Guantanamo, Afghan writers found to be no threat to United StatesBY JAMES RUPERT | STAFF CORRESPONDENT
October 31, 2005
“For months, grim interrogators grilled them over a satirical article Dost had written in 1998, when the Clinton administration offered a $5-million reward for Osama bin Laden. Dost responded that Afghans put up 5 million Afghanis — equivalent to $113 — for the arrest of President Bill Clinton.
‘It was a lampoon … of the poor Afghan economy’ under the Taliban, Badr recalled. The article carefully instructed Afghans how to identify Clinton if they stumbled upon him. ‘It said he was clean-shaven, had light-colored eyes and he had been seen involved in a scandal with Monica Lewinsky,’ Badr said.”
The issue with the CIA tapes is not something that lives in some kind of isolated bubble. It’s all part and parcel of an administration that doesn’t care about civil liberties, about the Constitution, or about the values of this nation. And those of you who sit here and make excuses, who continue the lies even when you know the lies are so exposed, share some of the responsibility for what is happening to what once was our beloved country.
- The Administration is doing everything they can to keep this issues from being reviewed by judges. Note my comments about Padilla upthread.
Rage is correct. You are DETERMINED not to get it. You are determined to remain blind to the outrageous trampling of human rights being done by our government in our name.
Al Qaeda translates to “toilet” in Arabic. A full military-like operation “Al Qaeda” does not exist. Hell, Osama Bin Laden isn’t even a suspect for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s own wanted sheet:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Where is the mention of WTC? It’s not there because Al Qaeda didn’t do it. Oh yeah…fat Osama already laid claim to doing it.
Al Qaeda translates to “toilet” in Arabic. A full military-like operation “Al Qaeda” does not exist. Hell, Osama Bin Laden isn’t even a suspect for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s own wanted sheet:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Where is the mention of WTC? It’s not there because Al Qaeda didn’t do it. Oh yeah…fat Osama already laid claim to doing it.
WAKE UP!!!!…pretty please?
Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 01:09 PM
Al Qaeda translates to “toilet” in Arabic. A full military-like operation “Al Qaeda” does not exist. Hell, Osama Bin Laden isn’t even a suspect for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s own wanted sheet:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Where is the mention of WTC? It’s not there because Al Qaeda didn’t do it. Oh yeah…fat Osama already laid claim to doing it.
WAKE UP!!!!…pretty please?
Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 01:09 PM
Well Kansas. Since you are the astute one here today, explain to me why UBL’s terrorist credentials don’t list 9-11 but the Tanzania and Nairobi along with the USS Cole do show up.
No thanks Pfeefer. I’ve actually read some of writings of “fools” about the 911 conspiracy. Everyone of the 911 spoof papers have been proven wrong by independent experts, architects and engineers.
Is everyone that is involved in the 911 report a conspirator too? You know,that involves people on both sides of the aisle and even people outside of the U.S. Government.
Of course Osama Bin Laden is not on the FBI list. FBI handles DOMESTIC law enforcement.
The 911 attack was one of International origins.
Get a grip on reality man or go visit the Rosie O’Donel website again.
You believe what you want, I’ll stick with the cold, ugly truth here.
Let me get this straight though, you said that the FBI deals with “Domestic” law enforcement. OK, so why would they mention the African attacks and not one that actually happened here?
And if you’re proving all of the facts “wrong” by citing Popular Mechanics, you really need to study. Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing, maker of “Yellow Journalism”. Do you even know what that is? Of course you do, you apparently are all-knowing. Benjamin Chertoff (lead researcher for Poular Mechanics) is DHS’s Michael Chertoff’s cousin.
Get a grip and quit sucking down the Hannity/Fox News/Limbaugh/Glenn Beck lies.
Since they destroyed the tapes, they must have known they were doing something wrong opn them. BTW, if you could sit there and watch that man being waterboarded when they showed it on the news, you are a little tetched in the head.
Let me get this straight though, you said that the FBI deals with “Domestic” law enforcement. OK, so why would they mention the African attacks and not one that actually happened here? Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Embassies are American “Sovereign Soil” as are Naval Aircraft. I’m sure you are smart enough to figure that out.
=====================And if you’re proving all of the facts “wrong” by citing Popular Mechanics, you really need to study. Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing, maker of “Yellow Journalism”. Do you even know what that is? Of course you do, you apparently are all-knowing. Benjamin Chertoff (lead researcher for Poular Mechanics) is DHS’s Michael Chertoff’s cousin.
Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Nope. I’m referring to the dozens of books, videos, 911 Studies, expert witnesses that have all refuted 911 conspiracies theories.
But hey, if the tinfoil hat fits, wear it Pfeefer.
BTW, there will be a UFO watch out at Lake Afton tonight, might want to be there.
I’ve read the thing, smart guy, big deal. The famous 9-11 Ommission Report! Why do you think I question it all now? Answer: Precisely because I did read it. All members were appointees and some have even written books with members of the Bush cabinet (Rice and Zelikow). The deck was/is stacked and Barnum was right.
Oh yeah, if you truly know Reagan and his “Reaganomics” this man, Paul Craig Roberts was the father of Reaganomics and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan. He must be some tin-foil hat wearing idjit too.
I see you recieved your debate skills from Bill O’Reilly or maybe Hannity. When losing, always resort to sophomoric insults and name calling. Good, you’re staying in line.
We’ll have to agree to disagree about whom is a “reputable” scientist. They called Copernicus and Galileo kooks for their stupid theories on Heliocentrism, but the Church finally corrected them on that notion. But they weren’t ever freshman engineering students either.
I’ll take it, you believe yourself to be a deep thinker and poet. You must also be an engineer or physicist.
You be sure to enjoy your terror-filled boogeymen stories of far off dark people and how they want to kill you. And I’ll stay here watching what the real enemies are up to.
I know people like you, you are the toughest hombres in the world, you want war against those evil Arabs who would try and kill us. But unlike real men, you wouldn’t go fight for yourselves. You can send your protectors over there but never muster the courage to protect yourself. I’ve a friend that’s a chemist and he acts just the way you are. Because he’s a chemist, he’s also qualified to speak for architects, engineers and brain surgeons.
You win.
But before I go, here are some examples of recent false-flag incidents that you ought read.
I’m not trying to “persuade” anyone. And I’m not afeared of being called any number of names because of my convictions. What I always try to do is let folks hear ans see history that was swept under the rug and out of school books.
Hang in there Pleefer — I just read your link… Those are ALL credible people… ALL appointed by the Right Wing politicians of our Country… And they ALL disagree with the official 9-11 Commission report!!
Kansas thinks he is all knowing, and all seeing… because he (a) doesnt know; and (b) does not WANT to see truth when it trips him!!
Congress just has to deflect the attention to their sorry excuse for a governmental body by going after the CIA for picking on a few bad guys who want to kill you and me and destroy every freedom that we have because we choose not to believe as they do. I say again, if you paid for your education, get your money back, you’ve been screwed.
Hillary Clinton clearly had fun — and gained much attention — with the video that played off the much-debated ending to “The Sopranos.”
But today comes the reminder for her campaign that crime and corruption in New Jersey aren’t fiction.
Newsday’s Glenn Thrush notes that Passaic Mayor Sammy Rivera, one of 11 Jersey politicians — mostly Democrats — snared in a federal sting operation, recently was named to Clinton’s national Hispanic outreach team. Thrush also notes the arrest comes a day after Clinton super-donor Norman Hsu failed to show for his date with a California judge.
Clinton is scheduled to speak Friday to a gathering of New Jersey Democrats in Atlantic City. Chances are some of her listeners will be somewhat preoccupied.
“Do you understand that Denis G. Rancourt is not a climatologist, and does not seem to have published even ONE peer-reviewed paper re climate?http://www.science.uottawa.ca/~dgr/sc.htm
Posted by: cosmos | December 22, 2007 at 11:52 AM”
From your link:
“He has published approximately two hundred articles and essays in areas such as marine geochemistry, condensed matter physics, organic chemistry, planetary science, mineralogy, aquatic biogeochemistry, diffraction and spectroscopic measurement theory, the physics profession, climate change and the environmental movement, critical pedagogy, and activism.”
Also, from your link:
“Denis G. Rancourt is a physics professor and environmental science researcher at the University of Ottawa, and an activist, anarchist, and critical pedagogue.”
Seems like he’s qualified to have a credible opinion to me!
Hey Tara, do you wonder how much gasoline we could save if we had a “No Driving a Combustion Vehicle” holiday.Do that once a month and see what happens.
“Sorry if I said something different than that to you. That is what it meant to me.”
Probably just my perspective as as a longtime computer geek. I think Tom was correcting some misimpressions JR stated (in typical anal techie fashion), nothing more.
OF COURSE Gates wouldn’t have “waited” for the Internet. It was 1975. He made software for microcomputers. Apples and oranges.
While I wouldn’t presume to speak for Tom, I bet he would agree that, without the crucial government funding/research/invention of the 60’s thru 80’s, the Internet we know today would probably not even exist.
I think it is laughable at best to suggest that the internet would not exist without prior government funding and research.
History would have taken a slightly different course, but saying the internet would not even exist is ignorance of technology and the many facets which created the internet over time.
Well shutting off your engine for any but the longest red light might be a bit much.
I already shut the engine down when stopped by a train. And if a drive through has more than one other car I park and go in.
You can drive a light ahead. I do that. If the light is not going to stay green get off the gas. Do it sometime just for fun. You’ll be surprised how many idiots will whip around you in frustra
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I got one of those robo-calls yesterday. I thought they were accusing Morrison of being a child molester, not a child killer. I erased it, so I can’t recheck it.
Kansas - I was wondering if anyone else had gotten one. My best friend just called me this morning to tell me she got one of the calls I had told her about.
We have an adversarial system, in the country.
Adversarial systems require adversaries.
If everyone in politics liked each other, it would be even more corrupt.
If Kline, or Klines “special prosecutor” find anything criminal against Morrison, that evidence will go to a Grand Jury, I believe, then to a Trial Court.
The Jury and the Judge need to be “impartial” — however, I EXPECT the prosecutor to be very biased against criminal activity.
By the way, the chances are very high that the Federal Government, through the US Attorney’s Office, might step in, here. Assuming that the charges are valid, there is a Federal case, as well.
I guess this is what the call was about. I guess Kline is not letting this opportunity slide.
http://70.166.25.138/fairtrialsinamerica/karbino.php
Posted by: TDT | December 12, 2007 at 11:25 AM
I guess I had gotten that robocall the week before and didn’t know it was the same guy.
It started of with Bumble Bee something or other and I just hung up on it as it was a recorded message.
Paul - the problem is that we have gone beyond adversarial to enemies. THAT can destroy the system. Unfortunately it appears that both sides have done this.
In fairness to Kline, I believe Kline has asked for these phone calls to stop.I get them, too.Way too much information, in the phone call and on the Web page.This bunch does a very poor job “connecting the dots”.
Try the “inverted pyramid” style, folks!
Don’t “bury the punch line” — give us the Who What When Where and Why and How in the first couple of paragraphs.
The last paragraph should be the least important.
Nobody wants to read all of that stuff.
Even if there is a real crime here, or real abuse, it reads like a John Birch Society or Michael Moore conspiracy theory.
Makes me doubt the message, if the abused party can’t find someone to help the messenger.
I don’t like Morrison, but baseless charges against him will only make him look better, in the end.
That is what happened with Clinton. The guy was a sleazeball, but he learned to knock down the lesser or harder to prove charges, then claimed “innocence” for everything.
Oh, and Clinton also taught the Democrats to turn every ethical scandal into a sex scandal.
Is all of this within Kline’s jurisdiction?
I’m a bit confused. Can someone explain what the phone calls are about? Sometimes having an unlisted number keeps one out of the loop.
I don’t think even Kline would be involved in this crazy fairtrials business.
Rox - the allegations are indeed within Kline’s jurisdiction in that the alleged events took plave in Johnson County and in that office. That said, however, Kline should not be in charge of the investigation due to conflict of interest. That is why I would like to see a REAL independent investigation into the allegations.
The phone calls and this ‘bumblebee’ website simply seem to be a bunch of nutjobs. Different issue entirely.
Just wondering why, TDT, you keep posting the bumblebee’s website and linking Kline with it? The site is critical of Kline and Morrison.
You should look at it before you embarrass yourself. Futher.
I’m a bit confused. Can someone explain what the phone calls are about? Sometimes having an unlisted number keeps one out of the loop.
Posted by: Rox | December 14, 2007 at 11:49 AM
Rox, this is the dude who is doing it. He has some sort of an agenda against Morrison.
http://70.166.25.138/fairtrialsinamerica/karbino.php
I think he might be in trouble with the Robo-Calls, but not sure, will have to find out.
Rox,the call capitolizes on Morrison’s current scandel to introduce the case that is described in the link posted by TDT at 11:32 A.M.
The whole thing sounds like a very crazy juvenile court case. The either 14 or 19 year old wife is being held (illegally according to the husband) by the Kaw Valley Center - which is one of the sub-contractors that provides SRS services in Kansas. The husband is blaming Morrison for the “false imprisonment”. There is also something about the father trying to stop an illegal abortion and he was thwarted in that effort - which is from where the charges of child killing emerge, I guess.
The message on the web page is pretty convoluted as others have commented on.
Thanks, Ben and Kansas. Appears to be a mess.
I agree that Kline shouldn’t be involved, considering. If an unbiased investigation shows Morrison in the wrong, actions should be taken.
Adultery is a Class C misdemeanor? Wow! That would make over half the men in this country criminals, and a goodly amount of the women, too. Wish I’d known. I could’ve used this info.
Thanks, Steven, I’ll have to try to catch up. I guess I can do that when the big snow hits later. ;)
Rox - the real issue is not the adultery but rather the allegation that Morrison tried to get her to do things to undermine the office. THAT is the serious issue IMO. And, IF TRUE, should result in removal and probably prosecution of Morrison.
On the other hand, if all there is is the ‘fooling around’ I would give Morrison’s wife Lorena Bobbit’s knife and be done with it.
Yes, Ben. I agree about an investigation. It just surprised me about the misdemeanor thing.
Okay, I skimmed over the fairtrials webpage and noticed that there is a lack of real information. Too many questions left unanswered. There are ways for a father to stop an abortion, all legal and on the up and up. Calling 911 is not one of them.
Kansas would be better off if they just made a pact that both would resign, save the ks. citizens some money. Kline could feel smug, since he’ll soon be out of political office soon anyway, having taken his arch enemy with him.We really don’t need these childish shenanigans.
Morrison will resign today at 3pm.
Now, all we need is for Kline to have the decency to do the same!
http://www.veoh.com/videos/e70603qy9gCWz4
You can call me Al song - Neil Simon :)
try Paul Simon. the video is a classic….with Chevy Chase making goofy faces while Paul sings.
KNSS says Morrison will “Make a Statement” at a news conference, scheduled for 3:00 PM.
We shall see.
If he DOES resign, this is probably more than sex.
Unless, of course, Mrs. Morrison put her foot down.
Carter confided to Kline about affairBy Chris Green and Sarah Kessinger -
Harris News Service TOPEKA -
A woman revealed details about her extramarital affair with state Attorney General Paul Morrison to her boss, Johnson County District Attorney Phill Kline, before the relationship became public earlier this week.
Linda Carter made a full disclosure of her past relationship with Morrison on Oct. 23 to Kline and one of his top deputies, Senior Deputy District Attorney Stephen Maxwell, according to a document from Kline’s office obtained by Harris News Service.
Kline and Maxwell may have been tipped off about the affair several months before Carter’s meeting with them, which came after she claims to have admonished Morrison to make peace with Kline, whom Morrison defeated in a battle for the state AG’s office.
Carter had worked for Morrison during part of his 18-year tenure as Johnson County district attorney, but she stayed on to work as director of administration for Kline after the bitter rivals swapped jobs earlier this year.
Thomas D. Williams, an investigator from Kline’s office, along with a court reporter took sworn testimony at a “discreet location” from Carter on Nov. 1, according to her documented testimony to Williams.
The statement was taken in the presence of Shawna Chambless, another employee in the office.
The Topeka Capital-Journal reported Sunday that Carter’s sexual harassment complaint against Morrison was forwarded seven days later to the federal Equal Opportunity Employment Commission. Carter signed a statement Nov. 16 based on her testimony to Williams, which became an investigative report that detailed her allegations that Morrison sexually harassed her and attempted to meddle in legal matters involving Kline’s office.
Morrison has acknowledged the affair but denies allegations of criminal or professional wrongdoing.
Carter ended up leaving her job in Kline’s office Nov. 30 and could not be reached for comment through her attorney, Brian Russell.
Information contained in the investigative report since has found its way to the press, first in a Topeka Capital-Journal story published Sunday, which cited a signed statement from Carter. However, the newspaper did not reveal how it obtained her statement or who provided it.
Since then, media outlets across the state have published stories based on information contained in the newspaper’s report.
The copy of Carter’s sworn statement obtained by Harris News Service is written in third person and includes details mentioned in the Capital-Journal’s report on Morrison’s romance with Carter. Both were married during the affair and have not divorced.
Morrison spokeswoman Ashley Anstaett said Morrison’s office has not seen Carter’s statement but questioned its validity if it had been taken by Kline’s office.
“I have my doubts it would have credibility,” Anstaett said.
Brian Burgess, a spokesman for Kline, did not return repeated phone calls from Harris News Service this week, although a secretary indicated he was in the office Thursday.
Political assault?
In the report, Carter also alleges that Morrison made repeated telephone calls that included threats to bad-mouth her to prospective employers after she disclosed the relationship to Kline, a claim which Morrison denied Thursday.
It also indicates that Morrison called Carter’s cellular phone on Oct. 31 and “threatened to destroy” Carter’s job in Arkansas if she did not answer Morrison’s questions.
She indicated that 22 phone calls came from Morrison that day, “four of which were answered by Carter and overhead by Chambless and Maxwell.”
Morrison threatened that he would tell the prospective employer that Carter was a “monster, (expletive) sociopath, liar, (expletive) and bad manager.”
Kline was given permission by Johnson County commissioners Thursday to hire a special prosecutor to investigate blackmail and harassment, the same day that Morrison’s spokeswoman said the attorney general had hired an outside lawyer to represent him.
“I take full responsibility for my personal failings and once again apologize to all of the people across Kansas that I have let down,” Morrison said in a written statement Thursday. “There is no doubt, however, that all accusations of official or criminal wrongdoing are false and part of a political assault against me waged for partisan gain.”
Overland Park attorney Nick Badgerow will represent Morrison in an independent investigation of his professional conduct by the state’s attorney disciplinary office. Badgerow will also represent his client on the federal complaint.
Anonymous letter
Although Carter first provided all the details about her relationship with Morrison to Kline in October, Kline and his top deputy may have learned about the affair several months earlier.
In her statement, Carter said that in July Morrison called her to relay information that Kline had received an anonymous letter about their affair in March. Carter said she told Morrison that she doubted the letter’s existencex because she’d not heard of it. She said she assumed Kline would fire her if there were an actual letter.
A few days later, Morrison called Carter again to say that a former assistant district attorney had heard a letter had been sent to the district attorney’s office in March and eventually was turned over to Kline.
After receiving Morrison’s second call, Carter called Kline, according to her statement, and asked whether he had received a letter in March. Kline replied that he’d only read the first paragraph before making a conscious decision to read nothing further.
He then turned the letter over to Maxwell, who still had the letter, Carter stated.
“Morrison immediately blamed Carter for the letter since Morrison always relied on Carter’s judgment to maintain the integrity (secrecy) (sic) of their affair,” her statement read.
Morrison also told her that Kline would hold a press conference about the letter to destroy him. Carter’s statement indicates she assured Morrison that Kline had the letter since March and would not do anything to harm Carter.
The facts are getting a little easier to follow-
try Paul Simon. the video is a classic….with Chevy Chase making goofy faces while Paul sings.
Posted by: call me Al | December 14, 2007 at 01:01 PM
oops, yeah Paul Simon, I guess I had Neil Simon the playwright on my mind for some reason.
Sounds like Kline is bitter about getting his ass whupped by Morrison so he’s doing this little investigation for revenge. Typical petty fundies.
Kline could care less if he ruined the adultress’ reputation and future prospects, for a little revenge. Petty indeed.
I suspect that his news conference is going to be his resignation.
TomThe rule of thumb is: “Don’t call a press conference unless you have something to say”.
Since he would not be likely to want to discuss a pending case, in public — what the heck is going to say?
Lets hope it is not Morrison setting up a investigation of Kline.
It’s Friday afternoon….bad news always breaks on Friday afternoon.I suspect Morrison cannot control his pecker nor his anger, which triggered little miss 10-key to sell him out.
Tell me, after reading the lengthy blog above…just how weak and cowardly a woman is Ms. Carter? This sick twisted person took Morrison down…then quit her job. What an awful awful person. She deserves a post-birth abortion.
“…just how weak and cowardly a woman is Ms. Carter?”
Regardless on whom you support (Kline or Morrisi), or if it is neither of them like me -
We should not be quick to shoot the messenger. We need whistle blowers in government.
But maybe I am expecting too much.
I imagine after she made her ‘confession’ with Kline she was given two options, Quit, or get Fired!
Well some of you got your wish.
Morrison is resigning.
At least HE didn’t get kicked out of office like Kline.
I guess this disqualifies a whole lotta people for public office. I’m bookmarking the thread to see how consistent some of the Morrison bashers remain.
Careful, Kline will probably get appointed back to the AG Office because Governor Sebelius refuses to follow the Kansas Citizens wishes. Keep up on this or we will get nailed twice. SEnator Craig quit and said he was innocent. He is still in Office. This wide stance, give me time , I back and you cannot stop me, B.S. is B.S.!!!! He is waiting for the State Senate and House to go back to session and get a commuted sentence. They cannot act while they are not in session. Herbert West III Publisher/Journalist, west.herb@yahoo.com
Perhaps Mr. Kline could appoint the Tiller special prosecutor that Morrison fired on his first day in office to look into this. It woulld appear that mr. Morrison’s many indescretions may have affected his apparent notion that having an aboution Dr, around might be a handy thing.
This is bull. She’s claiming sexual harassment AFTER a two year affair. Come ON. And this whole thing reeks to high hell. To go to his arch enemy because he didn’t leave his wife for her, that’s just so so low.
And Justice and Comment Tator, something is so very wrong with your thinking…no I don’t need to submit to anyone. I was given free will and I plan to use it.And Tator, you’re out there man.
P mom,
What are you talking about?
many sexual harassment charges are made far into the affair. It would not have been easy for mrs. Carter to have aired those complaints while Morrison was her boss, at least two other former employees did that and were dismissed due to “lack of evidence.” Morrison, as her direct supervisor, had leverage that kept her right where he wanted her, and it was partially human nature for her to think that while she was the imagined center of his attention that there was a relationship there. Only after some time of detachment does the victim often realize the extent of manipulation that has occurred, and that is when the complaint is most likely to occur. Anita Hill’s complaint against Clarence is an example of this, as is Monica Lewinski’s sudden cooperation with the Ken Starr investigation, the blue dress suddenly appearing after the famous nationally televised “I did not have sex with that woman” speech. Those kind of changes in a percieved relationship can inspire the crows to roost. In this case, the arguments that began in the Lawrence apartment, the alleged threats that ensued, no doubt convinced Ms. Carter that, ring and alleged tatoo notwithstanding, her role with Mr. Morrison was not as special as she had percieved and she felt harassed and threatened. Probably not a good idea on Mr. Morrison’s part to pull the old bad cop intimidation routine when Ms. Carter could react through Mr. Kline. Pretty stupid move from a man given to getting what he wanted by intimidation.
Nice piece of spin!!
Thank you, chas, but a better example of spin is when a special interest organization teams with a politcal organization to vilify a serving AG for “political activity” and polish up a serving County Attorney with an already checkered past to the point that it becomes common acceptance that one is quantitively better than the other. Each of them certainly had motives in mind for the AG’s office: Kline apparently seemed fixated on saving babies; Morrison apparently leaned more toward creating them.
Whose rights are they protecting?
One of the Masterminds behind 911?
Hah!
Nice to see that Trollboy has already convicted the men being tortured.
I thought we did that with judges and juries and all that. Not so much anymore, huh. Now all it takes is a declaration from some fascist moron, and Voila! conviction secured.
I think Hillary and Bill destroyed the tapes while they were destroying the law documents from her law firm she worked for in Arkysaw.
Oh Tom is in love with the Al Qaeda master mind that killed 3000 people and wants to give him rights.
How sweet!
You going to ask him to the prom as well Tom?
So “in love” now means the same thing as “due process” and “innocent until proven guilty,” does it?
Maybe in your little mind those things are the same. Those of us who inhabit the real world understand the difference.
In any case, you keep forgetting that rights are not granted. Not be me, not by you, not by anyone. Rights are, as our Founding Fathers pointed out, inherent and inalienable. I guess only a true conservative understands these things, though.
This is also a nation of laws, not unilateral declarations by fascist morons. You do know that the US has hanged people who did to Americans what the CIA reportedly did to the suspects in custody, right?
Probably not.
“In the future, no witnesses, and no tapes.”
Uhm. . .right. Sane people, ponder Max’s statement for a moment.
Now imagine YOU’RE picked up and accused of terrorism (Brandon Mayfield, anyone?).
http://dir.salon.com/story/comics/tomo/2005/06/13/tomo/
Now imagine YOU’RE picked up and accused of terrorism (Brandon Mayfield, anyone?).
http://dir.salon.com/story/comics/tomo/2005/06/13/tomo/
Posted by: Rage | December 17, 2007 at 04:04 PM
Now imagine if you an Al Qaeda specialist whose main mission in life is to destroy infidels.
The same Al Qaeda person asked what he would do when released, “Oh nothing personal, I like you, but I would kill you and all infidels by any means for the glory of Allah.”
Yeah okay Libs, go double lip lock with your buddy there. Then after your tender kiss, he can kill you.
DNFTT
Kansas - it’s like my view toward the Carr brothers or the Duke “rapists” - let’s be damn sure they are guilty before we hang them. We have rounded up many Afghans and Iraqis only to find out afterwards that they were not ‘bad guys’. Let’s keep that in mind when we happily torture them.
I was in the waiting room on the Oncology dept at the VA, when news of the Carr trial came on. The two gentlemen expressed the view that a trial was a waste of money. One expressed the view (in very hushed tones) that we “giving” too many rights to these “niggers.”
Inflammatory BS aside, Mr. Kansas raises an interesting point: Have become such a society of bedwetting cowards, that we’re willing the punish the innocent, just avoid ANY chance of releasing the guilty?
(Let’s leave aside the fact that an interrogation should not normally be a punishment!).
I was in the waiting room on the Oncology dept at the VA, when news of the Carr trial came on. There two gentlemen expressed the view that a trial was a waste of money. One expressed the view (in very hushed tones) that we are “giving” too many rights to these “niggers.”
Inflammatory BS aside, Mr. Kansas raises an interesting point: Have become such a society of bedwetting cowards, that we’re willing to punish the innocent, just to avoid ANY chance of releasing the guilty?
(Let’s leave aside the fact that an interrogation should not normally be a punishment!).
When will they learn.1. There are no ‘rules’ in war.2. Video tape nothing.3. Do what you have to do to win.Period!
“Yeah okay Libs, go double lip lock with your buddy there. Then after your tender kiss, he can kill you.”
Posted by kansas
Talk about a specious argument. Substitute terrorist for al-qaeda and why everything just falls into place: Invade Iraq; hold suspected terrorists for as long as you wish (with no responsibility or accountability); torture those same suspected terrorists; tape the whole thing; then lose the tapes.
How does that sound? Is that what you’re trying to say? Sounds to me like this administration in a nut-shell, heavy on the nut.
“When will they learn.There are no ‘rules’ in war. Video tape nothing. Do what you have to do to win.”
Adopt this and the jihadists HAVE won. We just let them destroy our moral bedrock. How Vietnamesque! “We had to destroy the village in order to save it.” Bush had to destroy our Constitution in order to SAVE it? BAH!
When will you get it? This PHONY war was invented because someone told Bush that a President at war could always stay in power and have his way. So he invented an endless war with no possibility of a “win.”
Meanwhile the oil companies STILL get their tax breaks, the corporations continue to write the laws, and American workers continue to lose ground in a faltering economy with a substandard healthcare system as our kids play with poisonous uninspected toys, and mortgage company thieves laugh all the way to the bank.
We EXECUTED Japanese officers for waterboarding in WWII.
Executing the Japs was not torture, was it?
The executed Japanese had a trial. Remember those?
Some of them were even acquitted. The evidence showed they weren’t guilty of war crimes.
Imagine that. Trials. Evidence. Juries. What a country!!
Maybe we can get that country back again some day, eh Tom??
Chas,
I count the days.
We EXECUTED Japanese officers for waterboarding in WWII.
Posted by: David B | December 17, 2007 at 05:05 PM
Lies! There were so many charges against those Japanese officers, that water boarding was like 999th down the list.
Now Kansas attempts to justify waterboarding by bringing it in the BACK door…. “low on the list”
So here was an Al Qaeda Terrorist that the CIA and other countries tracked for months, listened in on his conversations, tracked his money, knew his associations, followed his deeds and was pointed out by other terrorists that he was the Master Mind of 911.
And all the Libs want to do is give him “his rights.”
Okay, here you go. The next time a field CIA operative encounters this situation in the field, his six shooter will accidentally go off 15 times in the terrorist’s head.
Sure thing, rights for terrorists…
Now Kansas attempts to justify waterboarding by bringing it in the BACK door…. “low on the list”
Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 06:07 PM
No, smooth brain.
David B. emphatically stated it was reason for execution. It’s a lie.
The Japanese officers executed were convicted for horrible crimes like murder of rope bound men, forcing prisoners march, liveing hell under conditions that made death camps a desirable place to go.
Everybody in our system of laws has their rights… even if we catch them red-handed!
But, that isnt what you would like to have, now is it?? You would rather have us blow them away, and then invent a story how they were getting away, and needed to be shot. Because, wheh it comes down to brass tacks, Kansas, you really dont believe in our Constitution or our freedoms.
That would seem to be the picture you paint here frequently. And then, you hold out false claims of how the Liberals hate our country?? Balderdash!!
Constitutional liberties to an Al Qaeda terrorist? No, I don’t think so.
They can get a military tribunal along with the rest of their thug companions.
It’s the law, the courts say so Chas.
Or are you for going against the law Chas?
A Military Tribunal is at least some sort of Court. Better than just shooting them on contact!
Shooting saves time and money.
Personally, I think that Law needs to change, where we operate under the same criminal standards, no matter who the accused might be.
We CLAIM to have value for human life. We should SHOW that value to the world. Unless you want to suggest that we are as barbaric as our enemies?
Shooting saves time and money.
Posted by: Kansas | December 17, 2007 at 06:22 PM
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How DARE you try to pass yourself off as a Patriot, with that kind of attitude toward justice! That is SO UN-American!!
Shooting Patriots founded this country Chas and saved the butt of America many times.
Besides, a well placed shot into a terrorist’s head is just a fact and denies the MSM from making those stories of whim and merry that entice Libs like you Chas. :)
LOL!!! Oh you got me!!! Mea Culpa!!! I did not lie, I just failed to list the entire set of accusations made against the war criminals. Sorry I thought was a blog, not a scholarly journal requiring footnotes.
BUT!! Nice try to change the subject of torture by the CIA!
As Orwell wrote in 1984 while explaining Perpetual War:War is PeaceFreedom is SlaveryIgnorance is StrengthWe may now add: Waterboarding is Not Torture
LOL Did you see on TV the CIA guy who PERFORMED THE WATERBOARDING saying that he believes it is torture???
In its 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices, the U.S. Department of State formally recognized “submersion of the head in water” as torture in its examination of Tunisia’s poor human rights record,[58] and critics of waterboarding draw parallels between the two techniques, citing the similar usage of water on the subject.
In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[56] The charges of Violation of the Laws and Customs of War against Asano also included “beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward.”
SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WaterboardingSEE:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Torture
Kansas is scared of his own shadow.
That’s why he never leaves his house.
That’s why he wants the “nanny state” to protect him by any means necessary from the big bad mean terrorists.
He’d vote for Nazis if they swaggered around with guns and violated people’s civil rights to “protect” them.
Not very smart the crap you are posting “kansas”JM.
These blogs may be read anywhere.
Your rhetoric may create terrorists. Some idiot blathering about kangaroo court justice.
And YOUR big mouth will be outta the way of that in your basement. Meanwhile innocent travelers or our troops could get killed because of you.
You might want to think about knocking it off.
When it comes down to it, some people believe torture is okay and some people think torture is a bad thing
Pick your side!
When it come down to it, some people approve of torture and some people don’t.
Choose your side. I do not approve of torture.
LOL Did you see on TV the CIA guy who PERFORMED THE WATERBOARDING saying that he believes it is torture??? Posted by: David B | December 17, 2007 at 06:33 PM
Yeah, I watched everyone of the interviews with him.
That CIA helped capture him. However, he was re-assigned to another unit after the capture and did not see nor was privy to the information where the prisoners that were captured were kept.
Not a reliable source of information, but someone who wanted their time in the spot light. Looks like it was a winner, as the reporter believed the person who wasn’t there and better yet the Libs believe them.
Let the arm flailing Lib Parade on Review begin!
I am bailing out of this blog tonight as someone is now obviously getting drunk and abusive. Thanks for the earlier discussion.
Let it be known to ALL: KANSAS condones the murder of prisoners, if it speeds up the time it would take to put them on trial!! Such an American, Flag flapping thing for Kansas to be proud of!!
And for attitudes like this, I dont know whether to say, “Thank you for your service,” OR to just say, “My deepest sympathy.”
Let it be known to ALL: KANSAS condones the murder of prisoners, if it speeds up the time it would take to put them on trial!! Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 06:48 PM
That would be incorrect Chas.
The terrorists would be disengaged of their ‘liberties’ in the field before they were captured with them resisting capture.
Capturing dangerous armed terrorists is not an easy thing to do, fatalities are likely to occur when dynamic encounters occur. :)
Spin it all you want… You still are an ENEMY of all that THIS great nation holds as sacred…
Again, YOUR post >>>
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/12/congress-cannot.html#comment-93965638
MURDER is not funny… 99% of the people on this Blog would not find MURDER being funny… But YOU, oh wise Kansas, YOU think it is funny… YOU would make jokes about it, except that it really isnt a joke to YOU… because you really believe that BS..
My deepest sympathy to you, former wearer of one of our nation’s uniforms! And my pity for you as well!
Good Night!
MURDER is not funny… 99% of the people on this Blog would not find MURDER being funny… But YOU, oh wise Kansas, YOU think it is funny… YOU would make jokes about it, except that it really isnt a joke to YOU… because you really believe that BS..Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 06:55 PM
A soldier or an agent in the field in pursuit of a dangerous terrorist does not commit murder when the terrorist resists using weapons or tries to put on a suicide belt or other means that may bring harm to the soldier or agent.
Ahhh true enough — BUT — That is NOT what you posted!!
READ >>>
“Besides, a well placed shot into a terrorist’s head is just a fact…” [KANSAS]
You dont get many of those kinds of well placed shots, except for in CAPTURED prisoners!! Idiot!!
I am done with you… for now… I can only hope somebody else continues to tell you how LOW your thoughts have sunk!!
I cannot even type any more… just about makes me Ill at the moment!!
You dont get many of those kinds of well placed shots, except for in CAPTURED prisoners!! Idiot!!
Posted by: Chas. | December 17, 2007 at 07:02 PM
Having trouble with laser direct gun shots Chas?
Or perhaps a terrorist being taken out from 1000 yards out by a sniper is beyond your vision as well.
Maybe a cruise missile would better suit the purpose. Dust to dust and all that.
Pat Roberts is a coward. This Hoekstra cat has some honor….let’s see how far he takes it.I am telling you this - Karl Rove finger prints are all over this. I bet there are a lot of emails being deleted into oblivion on Pennsylvania Ave.
Looks like bush will have to shred the White house log, for National Security! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071217/pl_nm/bush_christians_dc_2
The Constitution is not the source for human rights. They are endowed by our Creator and not bestowed just upon Americans. They are the right of ALL humans. To believe otherwise dehumanizes us all. Why do Republicans not understand this?
That’s a good question, *_* - whoever you might be!
I really loathe this administration. I don’t know how any decent real American can find what they are doing even remotely acceptable.
10 out of 10 retards believe that 20 Arabs based out of a cave in Afghanistan, armed with pocket knives circumvented our trillion-dollar military apparatus and flew planes into WTC 1 & 2, and performed a miraculous flight maneuver, circling 330 degrees at 500 miles per hour into the Pentagon, untouched by any Military interceptor. And unless you have something to hide (being in Guvmunt) you will be open and honest with overseers. Otherwise you will have to continue to lie to keep all of your other lies hidden. We’ve been hijacked.
Even in 1993 our “Loving Government” was up to some mischief, but then again I’m probably full of it. Check it out:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtcbomb.html
I can get anyone of you to say whatever I want you to say with a little bamboo and your hand.
I have served in the Persian Gulf and I believe the government should use whatever means necessary to avoid any kind of attacks on this great country that I served and that my brother and sister soldiers are dying for!!!
For those that would place the ‘rights’ of terrorists and enemies over the very life’s of their families are folks I am glad are not a part of my family. I guess it’s easy to moralize about torture when you don’t feel personally threatened, but the people dieing are a part of someone’s family you just don’t care about apparently. Like I said much earlier. With respect to the defense of my family and my country;There are no rules.No video taping war.I will do what I have to do as quickly and efficiently as possible.Anyone that thinks differently will end up dead or a slave to their victor.
“I will do what I have to do as quickly and efficiently as possible.Anyone that thinks differently will end up dead or a slave to their victor”
Well put on your cape and get to saving us! I am SO scared of the mean terrorists and eager for you to vanquish them so I can come out from under my bed!
The radical “conservatives” lie, and lie, and lie, and lie.
This isn’t about combatants on an active battlefield. Those are fair game, and the rules of engagement are clear on the use of force.
Many of the so-called “terror suspects” that are in Guantanamo and other classified facilities have been picked up because field intelligence indicates they might be involved in terrorism. However, some of this “intelligence” is neighbors making up tales about each other. It’s sometimes someone in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Sometimes, it’s our own government going after fellow American citizens. Have we all forgotten Brandon Mayfield? From Wiki:
“The FBI arrested Mayfield at his offices…under a material witness warrant rather than under charge, and held him with no access to family and limited access, if any, to legal counsel. The FBI initially refused to inform either Brandon or his family as to why he was being arrested or where he was being held - a direct violation of the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution.”
And what about Jose Padilla? A native-born American citizen, standing on American soil, was arrested and denied access to counsel and courts for over three years while the government played a jurisdictional shell game of moving him from brig to brig.
Do you really think that, if the government had gotten away with what they did to Mayfield and Padilla that would have been the end of it? Do you really think anyone, anywhere in this country would be safe?
The issue with the CIA tapes is not something that lives in some kind of isolated bubble. It’s all part and parcel of an administration that doesn’t care about civil liberties, about the Constitution, or about the values of this nation. And those of you who sit here and make excuses, who continue the lies even when you know the lies are so exposed, share some of the responsibility for what is happening to what once was our beloved country.
Shame on you.
Or perhaps a terrorist being taken out from 1000 yards out by a sniper is beyond your vision as well.
2 clips in the head from 1000 yds? Someone has been watching too many Swartzenegger movies. I’m really curious how the person is such a bad shot even with laser sights that one shot couldn’t get the job done.
And I assumed I was King of Hyperbole.
Or perhaps a terrorist being taken out from 1000 yards out by a sniper is beyond your vision as well.
2 clips in the head from 1000 yds? Someone has been watching too many Swartzenegger movies. I’m really curious how the person is such a bad shot even with laser sights that one shot couldn’t get the job done.
And I assumed I was King of Hyperbole.
Tom, I whole-heartedly agree with your last post. People don’t realize that that particular is not only slippery, it’s Teflon (registered trademark) clad.
particular slope, even. But, y’all knew that.
J.R. you are an idiot.There were three thousand innocent people killed on 9/11, all with families that loved them and were devastated. If you have any active gray matter, which you have yet to display, you will note that practically all terror committed across the entire globe is done so by radical Islamists that will come for you as soon as they have opportunity. And, you are quite correct about one thing, and one only…they will find you cowering and weeping under your bed, you immature mindless little traitor.
“…you immature mindless little traitor.”Posted by: AgHawk | December 18, 2007 at 08:57 AM
That’s where it always goes. Anyone who cherishes traditional American values is called a “traitor.”
Change the nic to adhoc.
Just more tired con retread. Be scared! If you aren’t scared you’re a traitor!
ho hum
Really wind yourself up and let me have it. That could be mildly amusing.
“That’s where it always goes. Anyone who cherishes traditional American values is called a “traitor.”If you define “American Values” as the murder of innocent Americans, you are correct.And J.R., you are simply too mindless to be scared.
Who gives a crap about Mayfield in regards to waterboarding Tom? No one does, because the story isn’t about Mayfield.
It was about the hardened terrorists captured overseas and taken in for interrogation.
Get a grip.
Since Trollboy is too effin’ wrapped up in his tiny little Rush O’Hannity world, I’ll repost my point:
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The issue with the CIA tapes is not something that lives in some kind of isolated bubble. It’s all part and parcel of an administration that doesn’t care about civil liberties, about the Constitution, or about the values of this nation. And those of you who sit here and make excuses, who continue the lies even when you know the lies are so exposed, share some of the responsibility for what is happening to what once was our beloved country.
Shame on you.
Ya know?
If you even have TIME to be scared of terrorists in bush’s America?
You gotta be distanced from the reality of most Americans.
Threat of attack from terrorists is about as frightening to me as being hit by a flying saucer.
Impress me with some action if I am supposed to be so scared. Catch Osama bin Laden or close up the southern border.
As long as those are not done? I don’t take the fearmongering seriously.
Booga Booga!
A foreign terrorist would just soon blow you up or shoot you Tom rather than listen to your squeals.
They know people like you will just simply lie down like sheep in a meadow and let it all happen.
Shame on you for being a wimp.
Namecalling, before lunch, even!
It looks like the troll is headed for one of his scheduled meltdowns.
Tom calls me troll and trollboy, but doesn’t name call.
Something oddly warped about that kind of mind set.
Oh never mind, they call those bitter Liberals. :)
Sigh. ..to begin with, this is NOT about waterboarding. Since they destroyed the tapes, we don’t know if the prisoners were being beaten with lead pipes or just, say, being forced to eat Spangles.
Oh, and by the way, nice dodge–”Who gives a crap about Mayfield in regards to waterboarding Tom? No one does, because the story isn’t about Mayfield.
It was about the hardened terrorists captured overseas and taken in for interrogation.”
–but your own “logic” defeats you. FYI, Mayfield was implicated in the terrorist bombings in Spain. That’s SERIOUS TERRORISM. They found his fingerprint (or so they thought). Why not waterboard his ass? Who CARES if he might have been innocent? He’s a TERRORIST! Because the government said so! End of discussion!
Even worse, he was an American–born in the country–and a lawyer to boot! A TRAITOR to his own people! Not surprising, seeing how he was a MUSLIM, eh?
The slimeball was DAMNED lucky to get off that easy!
{Psst. . .hey, guy, the fingerprint they relied on was a bad photocopy of the original–it doesn’t even match. .. they got nothing. . .Mayfield did nothing wrong!}
Oops.. . .NEVER MIND! Oh well, it doesn’t matter–we’ve got a War on Terrorism® to fight!
It’s okay Rage and nice job of rationalizing.
Everyone knows you have to make three lefts in order to make a right turn point in discussion anyway. :)
Three lefts, haha - good joke - (snicker)
Yeah, okay I get it, Mayfield got screwed - boohoo - it’s over.
It has nothing to do with the current discussion.
No, obviously you DON’T get it, and are DETERMINED not get it. And I fully predict any government “oops” will be met with the same response–it’s not relevant–it’s easier than addressing the issue.
Irrelevant?:”Writers jailed in 2002 for political satireAfter three years at Guantanamo, Afghan writers found to be no threat to United StatesBY JAMES RUPERT | STAFF CORRESPONDENT
October 31, 2005
“For months, grim interrogators grilled them over a satirical article Dost had written in 1998, when the Clinton administration offered a $5-million reward for Osama bin Laden. Dost responded that Afghans put up 5 million Afghanis — equivalent to $113 — for the arrest of President Bill Clinton.
‘It was a lampoon … of the poor Afghan economy’ under the Taliban, Badr recalled. The article carefully instructed Afghans how to identify Clinton if they stumbled upon him. ‘It said he was clean-shaven, had light-colored eyes and he had been seen involved in a scandal with Monica Lewinsky,’ Badr said.”
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/ny-wobadr094492447oct31,0,1261397.story?coll=ny-worldnews-headlines
Yeah Rage, I don’t get it what you are writing has to do with the topic at hand.
Nothing imo.
Once again:
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The issue with the CIA tapes is not something that lives in some kind of isolated bubble. It’s all part and parcel of an administration that doesn’t care about civil liberties, about the Constitution, or about the values of this nation. And those of you who sit here and make excuses, who continue the lies even when you know the lies are so exposed, share some of the responsibility for what is happening to what once was our beloved country.
Shame on you.
Posted by: Tom | December 18, 2007 at 10:00 AM
Not really Tom, I look at things in the way a Judge looks at a case.
A Judge will not allow rhetoric totally irrelevant to the case.
So shame on you for mixing apples and oranges to confuse the issue.
- This isn’t a courtroom.
- You’re not a judge.
- The Administration is doing everything they can to keep this issues from being reviewed by judges. Note my comments about Padilla upthread.
Rage is correct. You are DETERMINED not to get it. You are determined to remain blind to the outrageous trampling of human rights being done by our government in our name.
I count the days.
This case isn’t about Padilla is it?
Al Qaeda translates to “toilet” in Arabic. A full military-like operation “Al Qaeda” does not exist. Hell, Osama Bin Laden isn’t even a suspect for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s own wanted sheet:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Where is the mention of WTC? It’s not there because Al Qaeda didn’t do it. Oh yeah…fat Osama already laid claim to doing it.
WAKE UP!!!!…pretty please?
A funny example of our being dumbed-down.
This is why we believe lies and throw away truths.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/138/ripoff0138027.htm
Al Qaeda translates to “toilet” in Arabic. A full military-like operation “Al Qaeda” does not exist. Hell, Osama Bin Laden isn’t even a suspect for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s own wanted sheet:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Where is the mention of WTC? It’s not there because Al Qaeda didn’t do it. Oh yeah…fat Osama already laid claim to doing it.
WAKE UP!!!!…pretty please?
Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 01:09 PM
Al Qaeda translates to “toilet” in Arabic. A full military-like operation “Al Qaeda” does not exist. Hell, Osama Bin Laden isn’t even a suspect for 9-11. Look at the FBI’s own wanted sheet:http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Where is the mention of WTC? It’s not there because Al Qaeda didn’t do it. Oh yeah…fat Osama already laid claim to doing it.
WAKE UP!!!!…pretty please?
Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 01:09 PM
This is a joke right? Tell me you’re not serious.
No joke, I’m serious.
Study and do some research Kansas.
Well Kansas. Since you are the astute one here today, explain to me why UBL’s terrorist credentials don’t list 9-11 but the Tanzania and Nairobi along with the USS Cole do show up.
Please, save me from my ignorance!
No thanks Pfeefer. I’ve actually read some of writings of “fools” about the 911 conspiracy. Everyone of the 911 spoof papers have been proven wrong by independent experts, architects and engineers.
Is everyone that is involved in the 911 report a conspirator too? You know,that involves people on both sides of the aisle and even people outside of the U.S. Government.
Of course Osama Bin Laden is not on the FBI list. FBI handles DOMESTIC law enforcement.
The 911 attack was one of International origins.
Get a grip on reality man or go visit the Rosie O’Donel website again.
Executing the Japs was not torture, was it?
Posted by: Max | December 17, 2007 at 05:07 PM
Leave it to Max to miss the point entirely!!
You believe what you want, I’ll stick with the cold, ugly truth here.
Let me get this straight though, you said that the FBI deals with “Domestic” law enforcement. OK, so why would they mention the African attacks and not one that actually happened here?
And if you’re proving all of the facts “wrong” by citing Popular Mechanics, you really need to study. Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing, maker of “Yellow Journalism”. Do you even know what that is? Of course you do, you apparently are all-knowing. Benjamin Chertoff (lead researcher for Poular Mechanics) is DHS’s Michael Chertoff’s cousin.
Get a grip and quit sucking down the Hannity/Fox News/Limbaugh/Glenn Beck lies.
You are sure smart.
I need to add CNN to that list.
Since they destroyed the tapes, they must have known they were doing something wrong opn them. BTW, if you could sit there and watch that man being waterboarded when they showed it on the news, you are a little tetched in the head.
Let me get this straight though, you said that the FBI deals with “Domestic” law enforcement. OK, so why would they mention the African attacks and not one that actually happened here? Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Embassies are American “Sovereign Soil” as are Naval Aircraft. I’m sure you are smart enough to figure that out.
=====================And if you’re proving all of the facts “wrong” by citing Popular Mechanics, you really need to study. Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing, maker of “Yellow Journalism”. Do you even know what that is? Of course you do, you apparently are all-knowing. Benjamin Chertoff (lead researcher for Poular Mechanics) is DHS’s Michael Chertoff’s cousin.
Posted by: Pleefer | December 18, 2007 at 03:28 PM
Nope. I’m referring to the dozens of books, videos, 911 Studies, expert witnesses that have all refuted 911 conspiracies theories.
But hey, if the tinfoil hat fits, wear it Pfeefer.
BTW, there will be a UFO watch out at Lake Afton tonight, might want to be there.
:)
But WTC is “domestic” and they had the investigation (what they could investigate after Giuliani took and removed all of the evidence).
Give me some titles and credentials of the authors of these books.
They meaning the FBI.
UFO watching sounds fun.
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
When you finish with the 911 report and studied it thoroughly, let me know I can get you more material. :)
I’ve read the thing, smart guy, big deal. The famous 9-11 Ommission Report! Why do you think I question it all now? Answer: Precisely because I did read it. All members were appointees and some have even written books with members of the Bush cabinet (Rice and Zelikow). The deck was/is stacked and Barnum was right.
Read up on the following (since the can is open):http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0304/032204c1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ray_Griffin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_E._Jones
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/engineers.html
Sorry I don’t like standing next to “tinfoil hats.”
I might get something slimy on me.
Oh yeah, if you truly know Reagan and his “Reaganomics” this man, Paul Craig Roberts was the father of Reaganomics and was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan. He must be some tin-foil hat wearing idjit too.
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/Article%20Republican%20Appointees%20Challenge%20911.pdf
I see you recieved your debate skills from Bill O’Reilly or maybe Hannity. When losing, always resort to sophomoric insults and name calling. Good, you’re staying in line.
I see you receive your science from the Cartoon Physicist Morgan Reynolds, the economist, who tried to tell engineers how it happened at the WTC.
Even a freshman engineering student can see the flaws in Morgan Reynolds’s assertion.
It is hardly worth of shamanism - not even close to engineering principles.
You know pfeefer if you watch bugs bunny cartoons, some of these conspiracy ideas about the WTC just might work.
:D
We’ll have to agree to disagree about whom is a “reputable” scientist. They called Copernicus and Galileo kooks for their stupid theories on Heliocentrism, but the Church finally corrected them on that notion. But they weren’t ever freshman engineering students either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
Poor attempt at diversion tinfoil
You’ve been caught saddling the horse of lunacy.
Enjoy your passion of conspiracy, wade the shallow stream of incredulity - it’s the only chance you’ll get at obtaining notoriety.
:D
I’ll take it, you believe yourself to be a deep thinker and poet. You must also be an engineer or physicist.
You be sure to enjoy your terror-filled boogeymen stories of far off dark people and how they want to kill you. And I’ll stay here watching what the real enemies are up to.
I know people like you, you are the toughest hombres in the world, you want war against those evil Arabs who would try and kill us. But unlike real men, you wouldn’t go fight for yourselves. You can send your protectors over there but never muster the courage to protect yourself. I’ve a friend that’s a chemist and he acts just the way you are. Because he’s a chemist, he’s also qualified to speak for architects, engineers and brain surgeons.
You win.
But before I go, here are some examples of recent false-flag incidents that you ought read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoodshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incidenthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire
The ravings of a lunatic?
Whatever man.
Actually, I’m retired military, so you were half right. :D
As far as being a deep thinker, I take what God has granted me.
A fine college education of course, never hurts to go along with that. :)
Well, Kansas, I have to say thanks for serving. And I too, use what God has allowed me to have.
But I can’t expect anyone that highly regards Bush to even grasp what has actually transpired when GWB’s own Press Secretary doesn’t know what the Cuban Missle Crises was.http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/nobodys-perfect-press-secretary-edition/index.html?hp
I’m not trying to “persuade” anyone. And I’m not afeared of being called any number of names because of my convictions. What I always try to do is let folks hear ans see history that was swept under the rug and out of school books.
Hang in there Pleefer — I just read your link… Those are ALL credible people… ALL appointed by the Right Wing politicians of our Country… And they ALL disagree with the official 9-11 Commission report!!
Kansas thinks he is all knowing, and all seeing… because he (a) doesnt know; and (b) does not WANT to see truth when it trips him!!
Hopefully the Democrat majority Congress can put a stop to much of this pseudo-legal stuff foisted on us by BushCo!! That will be a great in America!
Congress just has to deflect the attention to their sorry excuse for a governmental body by going after the CIA for picking on a few bad guys who want to kill you and me and destroy every freedom that we have because we choose not to believe as they do. I say again, if you paid for your education, get your money back, you’ve been screwed.
We Ksgrm, Bill and Hillary built that bridge you know.
The bridge to 9/11.
Say Tara,
Do you know what a starter motor is?
How many starts is that good for?
How much gas to you have to save to pay for a new starter?
How much energy and materials does it take for the factory to make a new starter?
Oh, and with 50 cars stopped at a stop light, how much longer will it take for 50 cars to start their engines and proceed through the green light?
How much fuel will my car burn while I wait for everyone else to start their cars and start moving through the green light?
Before I start shutting off my car at every stop light, I’d like to see those questions answered.
SENATOR CLINTON CULTURE OF CORRUPTION CAMPAIGN CONTINUES….
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2007/09/jersey-sting-na.html
Jersey sting nabs Clinton backer
Hillary Clinton clearly had fun — and gained much attention — with the video that played off the much-debated ending to “The Sopranos.”
But today comes the reminder for her campaign that crime and corruption in New Jersey aren’t fiction.
Newsday’s Glenn Thrush notes that Passaic Mayor Sammy Rivera, one of 11 Jersey politicians — mostly Democrats — snared in a federal sting operation, recently was named to Clinton’s national Hispanic outreach team. Thrush also notes the arrest comes a day after Clinton super-donor Norman Hsu failed to show for his date with a California judge.
Clinton is scheduled to speak Friday to a gathering of New Jersey Democrats in Atlantic City. Chances are some of her listeners will be somewhat preoccupied.
Out here in the country the visibility is down to about 100yds.
Can barely see the lake. However, I’ve been watching about a dozen seagulls fishing in this blizzard!
We have about 20ft of ice at the edge of the lake and the seagulls can hover in this wind and every now and then spot something to eat.
Interesting.
Hey Cosmos,
“Do you understand that Denis G. Rancourt is not a climatologist, and does not seem to have published even ONE peer-reviewed paper re climate?http://www.science.uottawa.ca/~dgr/sc.htm
Posted by: cosmos | December 22, 2007 at 11:52 AM”
From your link:
“He has published approximately two hundred articles and essays in areas such as marine geochemistry, condensed matter physics, organic chemistry, planetary science, mineralogy, aquatic biogeochemistry, diffraction and spectroscopic measurement theory, the physics profession, climate change and the environmental movement, critical pedagogy, and activism.”
Also, from your link:
“Denis G. Rancourt is a physics professor and environmental science researcher at the University of Ottawa, and an activist, anarchist, and critical pedagogue.”
Seems like he’s qualified to have a credible opinion to me!
And, I forget, Algore’s qualifications again?
Nitwit.
Hey Tara, do you wonder how much gasoline we could save if we had a “No Driving a Combustion Vehicle” holiday.Do that once a month and see what happens.
Small things add up “BIG”.
“Sorry if I said something different than that to you. That is what it meant to me.”
Probably just my perspective as as a longtime computer geek. I think Tom was correcting some misimpressions JR stated (in typical anal techie fashion), nothing more.
OF COURSE Gates wouldn’t have “waited” for the Internet. It was 1975. He made software for microcomputers. Apples and oranges.
While I wouldn’t presume to speak for Tom, I bet he would agree that, without the crucial government funding/research/invention of the 60’s thru 80’s, the Internet we know today would probably not even exist.
I think it is laughable at best to suggest that the internet would not exist without prior government funding and research.
History would have taken a slightly different course, but saying the internet would not even exist is ignorance of technology and the many facets which created the internet over time.
Well shutting off your engine for any but the longest red light might be a bit much.
I already shut the engine down when stopped by a train. And if a drive through has more than one other car I park and go in.
You can drive a light ahead. I do that. If the light is not going to stay green get off the gas. Do it sometime just for fun. You’ll be surprised how many idiots will whip around you in frustra