RS, I did and at first I got the standard form e-mail loaded with Cliques and slogans “WE will stand down when they stand up”, “With the rapidly changing technology we must be able to have a broad range of responses”, “Our job is to safeguard the American people and no effort is too great in that defense”.
And the ever popular, “WE must stay the course”.

Then they just quit responding, Robertson, Tiahrt and Brownback all at first sent the same e-mails. Then all quit doing even that! I quoted Senator Sessions to them when he used the love of the Constitution and the liberties it guarantees. As a put down on the Senate floor and asked that they stand up for the American people and the Republican party. Nothing!

I do agree with you though, unless the reps hear of the masses displeasure they are so isolated in Washington they do not have a clue.

“What law did President Bush violate?
Come on libs, NAME the laws that were violated by George W. Bush, RIGHT NOW, or shut up!”

ECON101, do you really want to get that started? The G.C. does cover enemy combatants, it is federal law that when ever the United States enter into a treaty it becomes the same as U.S. law. Mc Cain’s anti torture bill is a good example, YES G.W. signed it with pomp and circumstance. Then issued a signing statement that said he nor an of his designates are bounded by this law! In 2006, he suspended Habeas corpus within the U.S. in the military bill issued that year.

Recently, he issued an executive order that stated that in the process of building the boarder fence. That all laws concerning that building could be violated, property rights, environmental and labor laws. Though it came to the public’s attention only in 2004, the domestic spying started BEFORE 9-11? In violation of the fourth and fifth amendments to the Constitution. The list goes on and on and that is only the violations that as of yet have been discovered. I assure you others will be, Bush plays hard and loose with the title of a “War President” which in itself is questionable, since only Congress can declare war and as of yet they have not. Do not confuse the authorization of action as a declaration of war. It would be consider an act of war, but not a declaration of war. Of course you know what that would mean? That the Bush administration actions are build on a house of cards.

BTW you are wrong in the aspect of there being no laws that outlaw the policies of this Government. There are both international and national laws that make the Bush Doctrine illegal. Plus the U.N. charter, see one of the claims to support the invasion of Iraq and give legitimize to it. Was enforcing U.N. mandates, the problem in the beginning? Article 51 of the charter states that those any one member may act to enforce a mandate. THEY have to be sanctioned by the U.N. The invasion at the time had not been sanctioned by the U.N., that was finally forced through in 2004. Which means the invasion was a crime against humanity.
AMERICAN OF THE USA:
If Rage does not have a link to other memos concerning the President. I have this one to start:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/documents/dojinterrogationmemo20020801.pdf#search=‘gonzalesmemo

True, the guy who wrote the torture memo said it’s perfectly acceptable to crush a child’s testicles in front of his parents in order to get information. He said anything the President deems justifiable is legal. The testicle crushing is the exact example used.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11488.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmSAWrsN-E&feature=related

Is this something we should teach our children is one of the reasons we are proud to be Americans?

See: http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/rendition701/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/ciarendition

And we are signatories to United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment. An agreement ratified by the United States in 1992, and by congressionally enacted policy.

Were crimes ordered by the highest US authorities? Maybe. Probably< I believe. Perhaps they will have their day in court to answer for their actions.

Not to worry, Outie. That situation should be remedied in about, oh, 9 months.

But that’s okay with the cons and their simple-minded torture ain’t nuthin’ doctrine, because they got God on their side. Or at least they think so. Trouble is, they are going to have to pay the piper when judgment day comes around, and God turns a blind eye to both them, and the terrorist they tortured.

Terrorists torture? Saddam tortured? The Taliban tortured?

Since when do we LOWER ourselves to that level?

Damn, anyone that DEFENDS torture practiced by American is a disgrace to this country.

We are supposed to be BETTER than that!

God damn.

And NO I did not say the FBI and ATF made huge errors at Waco… In fact, as soon as shots were fired at federal officers, the Waco folks got what they deserved… rebuttal fire…. Too bad they didnt just submit to the search warrant, as it was legally served on them… most of Waco would have been avoided…

But thats another issue!!

Lear to read.

If the Geneva Conventions apply to everyone, then why does it take so much space for those same Geneva Conventions to explain who is, and who is NOT covered by that Treaty?

This is a legal fact.

Your WACO example does not fit.

However, I do appreciate it very much if you wish, now, to admit that the Clinton administration made several horrible mistakes, in Waco.

Individuals have done bad things, but that happens in any war.

You are being dishonest. You find something that you do not like, and you call it a “crime” but you can not prove that it is a crime and you can not show where the United States Government ever authorized a “crime” to be committed.

A clear sign that you lost an arguement.

AGAIN!

That the Geneva Conventions use this language clearly shows that the Treaty tries to make a distinction between those captured, while fighting in a conflict, as opposed to those who are not, at the time of capture, “actively involed”.

Doug, the Geneva Conventions could have been much much smaller, in tolal verbage and length, if that Treaty simply said: “This treaty applies to every human being on the face of the Earth!”

The Geneva Conventions do NOT contain such language.

Therefore, that Treaty does NOT apply to everyone.

And, when that Treaty does apply? There are different levels of protection, depending on the circumstances, and the status of the prisoner.

Not EVERYONE is a POW, under the terms of the Geneva Conventions.

As typical Paul you can’t read something that is put right in front of you. Are you seriously telling me that the people we have imprisoned are currently armed? Are you that unbelievably stupid? Are you telling me that America never signed onto the Geneva Convention? Are are so amazingly stupid I can’t accurately describe how moronic you are. You would look at an entire genocide of people and conclude that since these people didn’t form their own government that there was no crime involved. In your demented mentality you justify every atrocity that has ever happened in history.

People like you lock up innocents like Murat Kurnaz or torture innocents like Maher Arar and you thump your chest and call yourself a heroic American because innocent people suffer. If there were ever a definition of evil it would meet your persona. How are you any different than a Muslim who calls upon Allah to thank him for atrocities committed against Americans when you praise your Jesus when suffering is dealt out to Muslims? If anyone ever wondered how German citizens could sit by and allow atrocities committed upon others by their government one just needs to look at people like Paul and they’ll have their answer.

By the way, since some people seem way curious about my nic, here :

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/07/open_thread_5-3/#comment-59567

So: no wood-chipper executions or family rapes. Thanks for sharing your standard for moral government, Paul.

I’m not surprised.