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Reposted for the dayshift, I give you unintended consequences of the war. Policy blowback volume 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGc7EWz5jo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxShcUhgvY8

Anyone else have to scrape that Global Warming from their windshield this morning? :D

TO MY FELLOW BLOGGERS;

I WANT TO START A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FOLLOWING TOPICS: FASCISM IN WICHITA, HOW CORRUPT ARE HE ATTORNEYS & JDUGES IN WICHITA, IF YU THINK THAT THE KC STAR & WICHITA EAGLE REFUSE TO DO INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING, IF THE KANSAS CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST DEFAMATION LAWS ARE A GOOD, THE UPCOMING 18TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT RACES, THE NECESSITY OF THE CURRENT CITIZEN CRIMINAL GRAND JURY SYSTEM, THE NEED TO HAVE JURY TRIALS FOR CIVIL, FAMILY LAW & JUVENILE LAW CASES.

FREE SPEECH IS IMPORTANT & I DO APPRECIATE THE EAGLE FOR ALLOWINGME TO CRITCIZE THEM, HOWEVER THEY OCCASIONALLY SEEM TO CENSOR MY COMMENTS. I HAVE ATTACHED A COMMENT THAT I POSTED THIS MORNING. THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK (EITHER SUPPORTIVE OR NEGTIVE).

BILL MCKEAN KIAKAHAHAHA@YAHOO.COM 316-293-6079
Hey David: America is rapidly turning into a fascist society because newspaper reporters refuse to investigate government corruption. Last January in the basement of the Kansas State Capital, I have personally witnessed a concerned citizen offer to provide you a tape recording of a prominent Wichita family law attorney trying to extort $100,000 from him by instructing him to pay in cash to his ex-wife’s attorney. The ex-wife’s attorney is currently running for Sedgwick County District Court Judge. Another KC Star reporter was present in your little cubbyhole office, and I contacted your editor the following Friday which was the day that your former publisher resigned to take a new job in Denver. There is so much influence peddling and corruption in the state district courts in Kansas that citizens in Johnson County are starting to contact me by e-mail in response to my comment.
Everything does not have to be about Tiller & abortion. Kansans must have the right to jury trials in civil & criminal trials otherwise corrupt district court judges will continue to cover up serious human rights violations. Kansans must have the right to call for criminal grand juries otherwise fascist district attorneys like Nola Foulston will cover up serious criminal activity by law enforcement agencies, prominent attorneys & doctors, judges, elected officials & government employees. Mark Stafford at the Board of Healing Arts, Stan Hazlett at the Office of Judicial Administration or Jean Hogan at the Board Behavior Science Board delay & minimize any punishments against doctors, attorneys & mental health professionals. State Rep. Jim Morrison, Chairman of the House Committee on Technology and Government efficiency reported told the weekly GOP Wichita Pachyderm Club audience last August that he had illegally obtained a copy of a cancelled check to bribe a Wichita family law judge in a child custody case.
David – We would not have all of these problems if the editors at the McLatchy owned Wichita Eagle & Kansas City Star allowed their reporters to do investigative reporting. Nepotism & narcissism continues to be the root of all evil in Kansas. Tell your publisher that citizens want real news to be printed rather than opinions & commentaries written by the wife of your publisher. David – No one cares about your worthless “insider” political commentaries about state capital politics that are televised over the Eagle’s website. For a KC Star reporter like you to earn face time on the Wichita Eagle website podcast or Eagle opinion page editor, Phil Brownlee, to have his politically satirical Bucky Walter video broadcast on the website, is it required that you and Phil sell out your journalistic integrity and principles? I guess everyone wants to be a celebrity or a “playa” in the new world of “Bonnie Bing” journalism.
I’ll thank Sherry in advance for not censoring the comment. I’ll forward a copy of this comment by e-mail to all of the Wichita judges, your colleagues at the Eagle and my contacts at the Poynter Institute. I seriously doubt that any one will have the courage to sue me for libel or ask Nola Foulston to press misdemeanor charges against me for criminal defamation. I’m assuming that my fellow W. Missouri-Kansas ACLU members will defend my right to free speech especially after they voted down (50-2) my resolution that I made at the 2/2007 biannual meeting to repeal the Kansas criminal laws. If the ACLU can defend the Phelps family for flag desecration, surely they will jump at the opportunity to defend my free speech right to try to expose the illegal or unethical acts of fascist government officials even though I am their only member that is a conservative, pro-life Christian Republican.
Bill McKean kiakahahaha@yahoo.com (316) 293-6079
Posted on Wed, Apr. 09, 2008
Tiller attorney claims grand-jury harassment
BY DAVID KLEPPER
Eagle Topeka Bureau
Do repeat investigations of abortion provider George Tiller amount to harassment? And if not, should a grand jury investigating the Wichita physician get access to patient medical records?
In a rare special session, the Kansas Supreme Court heard arguments from all sides Tuesday as it considered Tiller’s request to block a grand jury’s request for medical records.
Tiller’s attorney told the justices that the grand jury investigation — the second to focus on Tiller — constitutes harassment. And an attorney representing former patients of Tiller said the need to protect patient privacy trumps any need to see the redacted records.
“All we are asking is that Dr. Tiller and his clinic enjoy the protections of the Constitution,” said Lee Thompson, a lawyer representing Tiller.
But according to attorneys representing the grand jury and the judges overseeing it, state law gives grand juries broad powers to seek whatever information they deem relevant. They said Tiller can challenge any evidence if he faces a prosecution.
“These records are unquestionably relevant to the investigation,” said attorney David Cooper, representing the two judges who oversee the grand jury.
The Sedgwick County grand jury was impaneled by a citizen petition three months ago to investigate whether Tiller’s clinic followed state law on late-term abortions. Kansas is one of a few states that allow citizen petitions to create grand juries.
The jury has asked for up to 2,000 patient medical files.
It is seeking all health care records of patients who aborted a fetus determined to be 22 weeks or older from July 1, 2003, through Jan. 18 at Tiller’s clinic, Women’s Health Care Services.
The grand jury also wants the health care records of patients who did not have abortions but were at least 22 weeks pregnant when they consulted with a physician at the clinic.
The court’s decision could come at any time.
Kansas law forbids abortions after the 22nd week of pregnancy unless two independent physicians determine that the pregnancy represents a grave health threat. Anti-abortion groups have long argued that Tiller violates the law, though Tiller’s attorneys strenuously deny it.
Tiller also faces misdemeanor charges, filed by former Attorney General Paul Morrison, alleging that Tiller had an improper financial relationship with a physician who signed off on late-term abortions. In 2006, a grand jury impaneled by a citizen petition reviewed the death of a Texas woman who had an abortion at Tiller’s clinic, but issued no indictments.
Kansans for Life, an anti-abortion group that started the grand jury petition, argues that medical records are the only way to know whether Tiller followed the law. The group notes that identifying information was stricken from files used in earlier investigations.
Michelle Armesto-Berge, a 23-year-old Topeka woman, joined the group at a news conference Monday. She received an abortion at Tiller’s clinic in 2003, and said she was never asked to sign any paperwork until after the abortion began. She said she thinks Tiller’s clinic misreported the age of her fetus to state regulators.
“She’s the poster child for why the records have to be obtained,” said Kathy Ostrowski, a Kansans for Life lobbyist.
A separate grand jury investigating Planned Parenthood’s Overland Park clinic disbanded last month without issuing indictments. The jury did, however, recommend a review of the law allowing citizens to create grand juries.
Reach David Klepper at 785-354-1388.
© 2007 Wichita Eagle and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. http://www.kansas.com

This doesn’t bode well for the electronic voting age.

Subpoenas were issued in six New Jersey counties today, demanding that officials turn over for testing all voting machines where discrepancies were found in the presidential primary tallies.

Election officials in Bergen, Gloucester, Mercer, Middlesex, Ocean and Union counties were instructed to turn over the machines by April 15. Activists trying to persuade Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg that electronic voting machines should be discarded succeeded in convincing her that examining these counties’ machines is critical to their case.

“In order to succeed in our case and show Sequoia machines are insecure and can be hacked into, we need to look at these machines,” Venetis argued. Clerks in the six counties uncovered discrepancies in 60 machines when they doubled check the vote tallies after the Feb. 5 presidential primary.

Michelle Shafer, a spokeswoman for Sequoia in California, said her company would try to have the subpoenas quashed. But no motions were filed today with Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg, who is presiding over the case in Trenton.

Sequoia maintained the errors found in the presidential primary were due to poll workers pushing the wrong buttons on the control panels. The company resisted calls for independent testing of the machines.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/subpoenas_issued_to_reexamine.html

It’s a good thing the voting machines in Sedg. Co. have already been tested and proven to be acurate.

We will not have the problems other states are having.

Good job Bill Gale.

http://www.usacarry.com/

Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry
Barack Obama is embracing anti-gun policies in the run-up to a Democratic presidential debate scheduled on the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings.

“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”

These remarks break from Obama’s previous moderate rhetoric on gun control.

http://www.usacarry.com/

This morning’s Eagle, page 4A, there are two short articles addressing hungry citizens, soaring food prices…

Haitian rioters storm presidential palace
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti
Hungry citizens stormed the presidential palace Tuesday … over soaring food prices, and U.N. troops battled rioters with rubber bullets and tear gas…

Egypt pays up to quell rioting
MAHALLA EL-KOBRA, Egypt
Egypt rushed Tuesday to grant bonuses to workers after two days of deadly riots over high food prices and low wages… Rising prices have struck hard in Egypt, a U.S. ally where 40 percent of the people live in or near poverty…

People are hungry.

And how much does it cost DAILY to continue waging bush’s war in Iraq?
http://tinyurl.com/alyer

Ted gets excited and asked me (ed) to pass this along.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830_page2.shtml

Make my day, Bill.

Sol, sounds like a govt. shakedown, collecting hush money for Friends of Bush club.

Sol, I ended up changing my hard drive and my dvd. At least I got to upgrade to 3.2 gig, and dl dvd.

Another fact can’t be denied: The MAINSTREAM Mormon Church (known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) does NOT excommunicate impregnated rape victims who have abortions from that pregnancy. They do not condone it; however, they confer compassion upon the innocent victim. They do not require her to go before the heirarchy (I’m not sure whether Mormons have confession or something akin…).

This is impressive in my view – seeing that the Mormon Church is still ruled solely by men, as is Catholicism. Were I still a Catholic, and I were raped and impregnated, (in addition to a critical health concern that renders pregnancy extremely perilous) – and I had an abortion – canon law would dictate my excommunication. Whether priests are now given more authority in these matters is unclear – I’ve been an ex-Catholic since Christmas of ‘89.

But this is much is clear: The LDS Church has excommunicated Warren Jeffs most forcefully and denounced his views. Polygamy is not allowed. Abortion is not condoned, but the damnable crime of rape – and the legacy it enacts – is given strong consideration here. The LDS Church considers rape victims’ purity intact and does not allow self-hatred or self-denigration – they are at least to be commended for that.

Father Trosch has been relieved of his pastoral duties by his bishop – why he has not be excommunicated for his views is beyond me.

“Make my day, Bill.’– Max

You don’t have any days, Max, just illusions.

Glad to hear you are up and running Phantom.

“The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.” –

Get your hand out of your pocket, Max.

Number of Hurricanes Forecasted for 2008:

8?

Predicting a more active then normal numer of hurricanes. Still, the 2008 prediction of 15 Named storms is almost half of the 2007 prediction of 27 named storms.

Huh, more active, but less predicted then last year.

Revised Forecast Calls For 8 Hurricanes In 2008
Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:39:59 PM

Dr. William Gray is revising his hurricane forecast, but he is still calling for a season that will be more active than average.
In the forecast released Wednesday, Gray called for a total of 15 named storms. He is predicting eight hurricanes will be spawned, and of those eight, four will be categorized as intense hurricanes — categories 3, 4 and 5.

Here’s how the forecast team has fared on their predictions for the past three seasons:

April 2005: They predicted 13 named storms. There were a record 28.

April 2006: The preseason forecast called for 17 named storms. There were 10 that year.

April 2007. They predicted 27 named storms. We ended up with 15 actually forming.

http://www.cfnews13.com/Weather/HurricaneCenter/2008/4/9/revised_predictions_call_for_8_hurricanes_in_2008.html

Wait, I thought global warming created more and more intense hurricanes due to the heat in the ocean. Since there hasn’t been a rise in temperatures since 1998, wouldn’t the number of hurricanes remain the same or decrease? Isn’t this the La Nina cycle?

A theorist suggests that warmer oceans create more sheer, thus lessening hurricane effects, Sol. I know popular press blamed Katrina on global warming, but I doubt that the majority of climatologists did.

http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn13226-hurricane-study-whips-up-a-storm-.html

Understanding the impact of these factors in the mutual interaction of hurricane-ocean is critical to more accurately forecasting intensity change in land-falling hurricanes. Use of hurricane heat content derived from the satellite radar altimeter measurements of sea surface height has been shown to improve intensity prediction.

ams.confex.com/ams/28Hurricanes/techprogram/paper_138570.htm

Increase in Major Hurricanes Linked to Warmer Seas

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050915_more_hurricanes.html

Thank goodness KU won though.

‘Gallup Daily: Obama Leads Clinton by 10 Points’
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106369/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-Points.aspx
“For the third consecutive day, Barack Obama holds a significant advantage over Hillary Clinton in national Democratic preferences for the Democratic presidential nomination, now 51% to 41%.”

Please tell me – darn that cast!

“Door King please your ignorange is only an act to make us think about ‘freedoms’ we might be losing.” ksgrm

ignorange = the fruit of stupidity. (I do it too.)

No, no, I’m a pervert. Really.

I can see this one working out real well……….

“TALLAHASSEE, Florida – Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24033282/

“Ya’ won’t give me a raise, you $#%^& @#$& son of a @#$^!!!!!! Wait here, I gotta go to my car, I’ll be right back, you $@#!%^ %~!%^!!!!”

Gives a whole new meaning to the term “performance review.”

Don’t get too excited Clark.

That Florida law allows you to leave your gun in your locked car while it’s in the parking lot of your employer.

The bill does not require employers to allow guns into a private workplace.

Many employers ban guns from their property, even their parking lots. That disarms all employees while they travel to/from work.

Employers have fired employees who keep guns locked in their cars!

So, if you are for protection of the working people from The Big Bad Corporations, this bill is for you!

TALLAHASSEE, Florida – Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.

The bill, allowing workers to keep guns in their cars for self-protection, was approved by the Florida Senate by a vote of 26-13. It now goes to Republican Gov. Charlie Crist to sign into law.

WS Clark,

You say you don’t care, yet everytime you waste no opportunity to show you do.

You think real life face-to-face situations are more heated then anonymous words on a blog?

I’ve found just the opposite is true.

If we were all in the same room, I think we would be much more civil, though we would of course we would not all agree on everything – or anything.

“The only troll here was you, when you made the comment you did to Max.”

Max and Price, I have seen perfectly rational people become very irrational in the workplace. I have had to have the police remove employees from the premises. I have seen seemingly normal human beings “drop the gloves” over alleged insults in the workplace. I have seen executives escorted from the plant because their announcement of a plant shutdown caused a near riot.

I had to call the police once to have a female employee removed from the office – a church going, mother of four.

My crime was that I accepted her resignation. She was convinced that I would beg her to stay and give her a raise.

She was wrong.

If ya’ want to take your guns to work, whatever, I don’t work in that environment anymore. I don’t care.

But rationality can turn to irrational behavior in a heartbeat.

One Man’s Opinion of George WMD Bush

“A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his n’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida; the one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like
easy work.”

– From the Reagan Diaries. May 17, 1986.

And you are so dense Max aren’t you that you can’t understand why anyone would threaten you?

Sorry Monkey Hawk, that one has been exploded on Snopes. This isn’t the first time it’s been on here, but by all means, continue to post it. People will believe it because they know Bush.

I can’t count the number of employees I’ve fired. Never anything more then shouting at each other.

Rarely is this something I like to do, but there were 3 or 4 times when I enjoyed it.

DK, I’ve been threatened many times. Death threats in the office and calls at home at all times of the day.

It’s that cold hard stare that keeps them at bay.

And when they call at home, I invite them over. For some reason, they never show up.

“Being in the office is no safer then being in a gun-free zone in the mall.”

So, Max……………… Fred the Forklift Driver works for Seth the Supervisor. Both can legally carry and do.

Seth fires Fred because Fred violates a zero tolerance safety policy. Fred is highly agitated because he has worked for the company for thirty years. Seth is equally agitated because his job is dependent on a good safety record.

Seth and Fred have words, many words and their argument gets more heated by the second.

Fred reaches for his gun………………

Don’t think it can happen? With the exception of the gun, I have seen it happen.

You mean Monkeyhawk would post something false? Color me shocked!

MH, you can’t trust those left wing websites! Gotta check ‘em out.

WS Clark,

For not caring, why do you conintue to post on the subject then?

“For not caring, why do you conintue to post on the subject then?”

Did I miss something? When was Nathan Price appointed the Chief of the Blog Police?

Do I need to e-mail you before I post to get your approval, Price?

WS Clark,

You sound just like the typical “blood in the streets” crowd about every single law that helps people carry concealed.

We have yet to see all these wild west shootings, road rage, bar shoot outs, or sporting event shootings by anyone who carries concealed legally.

For someone who doesn’t care, yet claims to support gun rights, you sure do spout the same anti-gun emotional fear arguments the anti-gun crowd loves.

“Those who carry concealed would never be able to if they could never leave their weapon in their vehicle to respect those who do not want weapons in their buildings.”

What respect Sea Monkey? — you’ve already said on previous blog sthat you regularly violate the desire of those who mdo not want weapons in their facilities – liquor stores, restaurants malls bars etc —- you’ve even gone so far as to say you were above the law when it comes to those issues …..

Truth Truck driver Ronald Brock was illegally threatened with arrest and impoundment of his Truth Truck on Monday evening by Olathe Police Sgt. David Haldeman (Badge #751), and run out of town. Mr. Haldeman seems to think that accurate photos of mangled, dismembered, poisoned, and beheaded babies in abortion mills violate obscenity laws somehow.
These Truth Truck signs sometimes save a baby’s life. Will we allow a baby-hating Olathe cop or two to run First Amendment free speech out of town?
This could get ugly. Federal civil rights lawsuit, coming up.
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Internet search engine Google does not allow ads that combine the promotion of Christian and pro-life views, and is therefore being sued by the Christian Institute, Britain’s leading conservative Christian nonprofit organization.
This could get ugly.
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Lord Patel of Dunkeld, the chairman of the UK National Stem Cell Network and a chancellor at Dundee University, says embryonic stem cell research is simply not working. He conceded in an interview with the Scotsman newspaper that the controversial, unethical, and so far useless science may never deliver new treatments for diseases.
Well, Duhhh!
The tumors and immune syndrome rejection issues make ESCR too risky for human trials, and such problems may never be overcome. For 10 years now, scientists, academics, and leftist media have overly hyped a mythical potential for cures in order to sucker taxpayers into sinking millions, even billions, into doomed-to-failure ESCR projects, while ethical adult stem cell research, underrated and underreported, has continued producing dozens more cures and beneficial treatments for many thousands of people, with more soon coming from current human trials.
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Baby-hating pro-abortion Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich proclaimed Tuesday as Save Abandoned Babies Day, which is designed to encourage awareness for newborns’ rights and ensure their proper care. A standardized sign that will be posted on safe haven locations was unveiled as part of the celebration in 15 cities across the state.
A Chicago Fire Department captain created the sign that is used in five states, and two more states are considering its use. All 50 states have versions of a safe haven law.
These laws do not prevent the deaths of all newborns caused by abandonment or deliberate murder, so there is some concern that desperate mothers should be made aware of the laws and locations of safe haven locations through signs and ad campaigns.
On the other hand, publicizing harsh criminal penalties handed out for illegal abandonment, abuse, or murder of newborns might also be effective.

“Was that covered in the personnel manual?”

Yes.

How come we can’t comment on the individual who falsly claimed the purple heart (on the story page). Is it becuase the Eagle Beagle wants to shut down comments to certain stories. And how come we don’t see other stories about phony polititians, phony (and biased) newspapers, and phony police departments. There ought to be a law against it.

WS Clark,

Who said anything about guns in the workplace?

The issue is about allowing those with concealed carry permits the ability to leave their guns locked in their vehicles at work, not take them in with them.

But, yes, I do think those with concealed carry permits should be able to carry their weapons to work too.

Your “blood in the street” type argument is saying that simply because if we were to allow concealed carry permit holders the ability to carry in the workplace that somehow tempers might flare and they would shoot one another or someone would shoot someone.

That is the typical “blood in the street” type argument that all the anti-concealed carry people had before concealed carry was passed in Kansas and almost every other state as well.

Here we are…. where is the blood in the street? Where are the road rage shootings? Where are the sporting event shootings? Where are the drunken bar fight shootings?

The anti-concealed carry people had all those arguments just like you do about carrying in the work place.

“Who said anything about guns in the workplace?”

The article.

“But, yes, I do think those with concealed carry permits should be able to carry their weapons to work too.”

I am sure you do – but I pointed out several cases where it just might not be a good idea.

“Your “blood in the street” type argument is saying that simply because if we were to allow concealed carry permit holders the ability to carry in the workplace that somehow tempers might flare and they would shoot one another or someone would shoot someone.”

And pointed out several cases, where in my thirty year experience, where rational people have become irrational.

“Here we are…. where is the blood in the street? Where are the road rage shootings? Where are the sporting event shootings? Where are the drunken bar fight shootings?”

Copy and paste where I have posted ANYTHING even close to that or just STFU.

“The anti-concealed carry people had all those arguments just like you do about carrying in the work place.”

Having been a business manager or executive for many, many years, I stated my opinion that the workplace is not a place for weapons.

People do get out of control.

But please feel free to copy and paste my “blood in the streets” comments.

Go for it…………………..

But please, Price, show me where I have been anti-gun…….

Parkay, if you posted anything even remotely acurate from time to time, we might take you seriously.

DoorKing, the only civil rights being violated were those of the children and women in that compound. Leave it to you to advocate the sexual abuse and rape of girls.

WS Clark,

It is not your lack of enthusiasm. It is your abduntant posting against anything related to types of guns or concealed carry as being absurd or not needed or wrong or that you don’t agree with it…etc.

What you are enthusiastic about is posting basically against things pro-gun.

So tell me then, do you support allowing concealed carry permit holders to be allowed to leave their weapons in their vehicles on work property?

For Price, who seems to be unable to read…..

“I really could care less, Max, it doesn’t mean a damned thing to me”

3:25 PM.

WS Clark,

If you care so little then why did you start by posting this:

WSClark
Posted April 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
I can see this one working out real well……….

“TALLAHASSEE, Florida – Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24033282/

“Ya’ won’t give me a raise, you $#%^& @#$& son of a @#$^!!!!!! Wait here, I gotta go to my car, I’ll be right back, you $@#!%^ %~!%^!!!!”

Gives a whole new meaning to the term “performance review.”

“If you care so little then why did you start by posting this”

Oh, let’s see Price……………….

Cuz’ I secretly hate guns and all gun owners.

Cuz’ I secretly want to see all guns taken away from legitimate gun owners and given to criminals.

Cus’ I secretly want all guns banned and CCP holders to be thrown in prison where they are to be tortured by being forced to watch reruns of George WMD Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” speech 24/7.

Or……………………………..

Given my experience in business, I don’t think that it is a great idea, BUT I REALLY COULD CARE LESS because I am not longer working in that field.

Take your pick, Price.

“Do you not care or do you think it isn’t a good idea?”

Both, idiot. It is completely possible to think that something is not a good idea, but not care also.

I don’t think that it is a good idea that Jena Bush is getting married and could possibly reproduce, but I REALLY DON”T CARE.

I don’t think that is a good idea that the NKOTB are recording a new album and going on tour, but I REALLY DON’T CARE.

Damn, you are even more thickheaded today than usual, Price.

Say Nathan, remember that Clark is supporting OBAMA. Clark does not then, support the 2nd Amendment.

That’s all you have to know about Clark. He will vote D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T regardless of the positions of the candidate.

SO – Clark cannot allow any 2nd Amendment supporters to post their views on this blog!

ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS CLINTON OR OBAMA – DOES NOT SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT! PERIOD!

“Clark does not then, support the 2nd Amendment.”

Bullshit, Max, that is just more effluence from the right wing.

Get it through your thick head, Max and Price…..

I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR LITTLE POPGUNS – THERE ARE MANY, MANY ISSUES THAT FACE THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT.

Dumbass.

So, Max do YOU support this amendment?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

Do you agree with the separation of church and state, or do you believe that the Ten Commandments can be posted in City Hall?

Because this girl was in immediate danger.

If someone in wichita called police, and said she was being beaten, they wouldn’t wait for a search warrant, they’d bust the door down to get to them to save them.

The authorities have known for years what is going on there, and they needed just this kind of thing to allow them to get in there and save the women and children being abused.

Leave it to you to ignore the pleas of someone being abused. what about HER civil rights?

Once they got in there, seeing dozens of pregnant teens was enough to remove them all.

Max believes that Jesus held dinosaurs in his lap and petted them!

Right “no credibility at all” Max?

He probably lives in his mom’s basement.

“So what, the world is filled with pregnant teens. That doesn’t mean a thing.”

I think you are wrong on this one. I think in TX a pregnant 12-year old is a crime.

But I think you are right on “Where’s the girl?”. Without her the 12-year old does does not exist in court.

Who knows what they’ve done with the girl. And you’re retarded if you think that the police would politely knock on the door if someone called during an abuse. Do they casually walk into a bank and ask where the party is when there is a report of a bank robbery?

Just because they cannot find the girl does not mean she does not exist. She knew things about the inside that only someone on the inside could have known. If we’re lucky, we won’t find her in a grave.

As for the man, they’ve already said they think they have the wrong guy, that someone else might have his same name.

This certainly should have its own thread tomorrow, if not be the topic for an editorial piece!
It shows that the interrogation was not only sanctioned but orchestrated by the bush administration. They should all be charged with war crimes.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=4583256&page=1

Sounds like they had (have) their onw version of “The Star Chamber”.

and the Libs learn a new catch word, “Principals”. Yeah, I watch and read the news too. How many times will the new word be used in the next day I wonder?

True Conservatives know the meaning Clark, however there are very few in politics and none as a choice for Pres. This will be another “shitty end of the stick” choice for us.

ha ha! Well Clark…the other 2 choices are just shit….with no stick!

No, Obama & Hillary…..Doesn’t really matter though, John(R) should be John(R/D^2)

This is what happens when you let Worst. President. Ever. run a war:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4618275&page=1

Military Mom Says She Was Brutally Raped in Iraq

Worst.
President.
Ever.