I WANT TO START A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FOLLOWING TOPICS: FASCISM IN WICHITA, HOW CORRUPT ARE HE ATTORNEYS & JDUGES IN WICHITA, IF YU THINK THAT THE KC STAR & WICHITA EAGLE REFUSE TO DO INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING, IF THE KANSAS CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST DEFAMATION LAWS ARE A GOOD, THE UPCOMING 18TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT RACES, THE NECESSITY OF THE CURRENT CITIZEN CRIMINAL GRAND JURY SYSTEM, THE NEED TO HAVE JURY TRIALS FOR CIVIL, FAMILY LAW & JUVENILE LAW CASES.
FREE SPEECH IS IMPORTANT & I DO APPRECIATE THE EAGLE FOR ALLOWINGME TO CRITCIZE THEM, HOWEVER THEY OCCASIONALLY SEEM TO CENSOR MY COMMENTS. I HAVE ATTACHED A COMMENT THAT I POSTED THIS MORNING. THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK (EITHER SUPPORTIVE OR NEGTIVE).
Set up a non-profit under the guise of Journalistic/Public Information endeavor. Then with thousands of contacts, you compile information on reporters, publish it and see if they like the same treatment.
This doesn’t bode well for the electronic voting age.
Subpoenas were issued in six New Jersey counties today, demanding that officials turn over for testing all voting machines where discrepancies were found in the presidential primary tallies.
Election officials in Bergen, Gloucester, Mercer, Middlesex, Ocean and Union counties were instructed to turn over the machines by April 15. Activists trying to persuade Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg that electronic voting machines should be discarded succeeded in convincing her that examining these counties’ machines is critical to their case.
“In order to succeed in our case and show Sequoia machines are insecure and can be hacked into, we need to look at these machines,” Venetis argued. Clerks in the six counties uncovered discrepancies in 60 machines when they doubled check the vote tallies after the Feb. 5 presidential primary.
Michelle Shafer, a spokeswoman for Sequoia in California, said her company would try to have the subpoenas quashed. But no motions were filed today with Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg, who is presiding over the case in Trenton.
Sequoia maintained the errors found in the presidential primary were due to poll workers pushing the wrong buttons on the control panels. The company resisted calls for independent testing of the machines.
Justice Dept. Avoiding Corporate Prosecutions With Questionable, Secretive Deals
And the New York Times is reporting the Justice Department has avoided prosecuting more than fifty major corporations accused of wrongdoing over the past three years. The decline in prosecutions is seen as a deliberate and dramatic shift in policy. Rather than take companies to court for high-profile cases, the Bush administration has relied on ‘deferred prosecution agreements’ that impose fines and appoint an outside monitor to enforce internal changes at the companies involved. The outside monitoring came under scrutiny this year after it was revealed former Attorney General John Ashcroft’s consulting firm won a fifty-million dollar government contract to oversee an agreement. Terms of the deals are often kept secret. Companies recently avoiding prosecutions include Monsanto, American Express, and Merrill Lynch. Legal experts say the deferred prosecutions may encourage companies to commit wrongdoing knowing they will likely be able to avoid a costly and public trial if they’re caught. Experts also say the agreements could become even more prevalent as the Justice Department takes on companies accused of wrongdoing in the subprime mortgage crisis.
Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry [big duhhh-if firearms are illegal, nothing to carry]
WIND ^ | 4-3-08 | Amanda Carpenter
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:57:31 PM by SJackson
Barack Obama is embracing anti-gun policies in the run-up to a Democratic presidential debate scheduled on the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
These remarks break from Obama’s previous moderate rhetoric on gun control.
While campaigning in Idaho in February, Obama promised, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”
Obama elaborated later that month in a political forum sponsored by ABC News and the Politico. He said: “I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”
Obama’s tough talk on gun control may be prompted by Philadelphia-based Democratic leaders who are pressuring Clinton and Obama to adopt harder stances on gun control. This issue is expected to come up in ABC News’ Democratic debate on April 16 in Philadelphia. 32 people were shot to death on the campus of Virginia Tech by Seung-Hui Cho April 16, 2007.
Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry
Barack Obama is embracing anti-gun policies in the run-up to a Democratic presidential debate scheduled on the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
These remarks break from Obama’s previous moderate rhetoric on gun control.
Clinton and Obama favor some kind of ban on assault weapons, something McCain opposes.
“I … think we should reinstate the assault weapons ban (that expired in 2004) in order to give our police officers a fighting chance against the criminals on the street with these military-style assault weapons,” Clinton said Tuesday.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama said. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
This morning’s Eagle, page 4A, there are two short articles addressing hungry citizens, soaring food prices…
Haitian rioters storm presidential palace
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti
Hungry citizens stormed the presidential palace Tuesday … over soaring food prices, and U.N. troops battled rioters with rubber bullets and tear gas…
Egypt pays up to quell rioting
MAHALLA EL-KOBRA, Egypt
Egypt rushed Tuesday to grant bonuses to workers after two days of deadly riots over high food prices and low wages… Rising prices have struck hard in Egypt, a U.S. ally where 40 percent of the people live in or near poverty…
Affadavit recounts sex and abuse at sect’s Texas ranch
By Bill Hanna | Fort Worth Star-Telegam
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ELDORADO, Texas — The 16-year-old girl whose allegations triggered the massive raid against a polygamist compound gave a harrowing account of life inside the secretive outpost, where she was forced to have sex and was beaten regularly, according to court documents released Tuesday.
Life behind the gates of the YFZ Ranch, built by now-jailed sect leader Warren Jeffs, was one where young girls were forced to marry and have babies as soon as they reached puberty. The girl, whom authorities still haven’t found, said the man she “spiritually married” would “beat and hurt her” whenever he got angry.
The affidavit, part of a slew of documents released by the state, gives a horrifying glimpse inside a male-dominated culture where 13- and 14-year-old girls were forced to have sex with their arranged husbands.
Unless Parkay is Randall Terry, Father David Trosch, a Catholic woman who, in 1981, claimed “there’s no such thing as marital rape”, or a big, fat OSA activist who publicly embraced a convicted rapist at a public event in the fall of 2005, it probably isn’t fair to lump Parkay and other right-to-life activists in with a Mormon offshoot.
Yes, this story is abominable. And here is a significant area where I would differ with many anti-choice individuals. If a woman (especially a young girl) is impregnated by rape (whether it’s marital rape or not), I cannot accept that early abortions should never be allowed. I cannot accept that God (whoever he/she is) would send her and her caretakers to hell. (excepting the rapist(s) themselves, by the way).
I cannot accept the version of “that” kind of deity. I never will. I’m not alleging that abortion is a morally “pure” act; I never felt my own abortion was a spiritually perfect act. I felt that God was merciful, no matter how much maturity, time and wisdom has compelled me to re-evaluate my choice.
But this story concerns rape victims - underage rape victims trapped in a vicious, violent patriarchy that should not be allowed - ever. Whether God “likes” abortion really isn’t the point - not in my view. He is a god of mercy; that, to me, is what should be paramount.
Gosh, the police aren’t always there in time to save you?
Cops: Woman Raped in Wal-Mart Parking Lot With Baby in Car
Tuesday, April 08, 2008
A Florida woman was raped Tuesday in a Wal-Mart parking lot while her 1-year-old baby was in the car, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.
The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.
Another fact can’t be denied: The MAINSTREAM Mormon Church (known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) does NOT excommunicate impregnated rape victims who have abortions from that pregnancy. They do not condone it; however, they confer compassion upon the innocent victim. They do not require her to go before the heirarchy (I’m not sure whether Mormons have confession or something akin…).
This is impressive in my view - seeing that the Mormon Church is still ruled solely by men, as is Catholicism. Were I still a Catholic, and I were raped and impregnated, (in addition to a critical health concern that renders pregnancy extremely perilous) - and I had an abortion - canon law would dictate my excommunication. Whether priests are now given more authority in these matters is unclear - I’ve been an ex-Catholic since Christmas of ‘89.
But this is much is clear: The LDS Church has excommunicated Warren Jeffs most forcefully and denounced his views. Polygamy is not allowed. Abortion is not condoned, but the damnable crime of rape - and the legacy it enacts - is given strong consideration here. The LDS Church considers rape victims’ purity intact and does not allow self-hatred or self-denigration - they are at least to be commended for that.
Father Trosch has been relieved of his pastoral duties by his bishop - why he has not be excommunicated for his views is beyond me.
Over on the thread about Hagee and McCain it is assumed Hagee is all sweetness and light becasue after all that’s what the church he founded says on their website.
Do you suppose these soldiers have some code of conduct written down someplace, maybe even on a website.
Wonder if everyone sometimes may need a reminder of the words written down about what they stand for, how they are to behave…
Nah. I guess it’s enough that the words are written someplace. Never mind the actions of individuals.
“The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.” –
Parkay would say, maybe she’ll be blessed with another baby.
“Gosh, the police aren’t always there in time to save you?
Cops: Woman Raped in Wal-Mart Parking Lot With Baby in Car
Tuesday, April 08, 2008
A Florida woman was raped Tuesday in a Wal-Mart parking lot while her 1-year-old baby was in the car, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.
The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.
Predicting a more active then normal numer of hurricanes. Still, the 2008 prediction of 15 Named storms is almost half of the 2007 prediction of 27 named storms.
Huh, more active, but less predicted then last year.
Revised Forecast Calls For 8 Hurricanes In 2008
Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:39:59 PM
Dr. William Gray is revising his hurricane forecast, but he is still calling for a season that will be more active than average.
In the forecast released Wednesday, Gray called for a total of 15 named storms. He is predicting eight hurricanes will be spawned, and of those eight, four will be categorized as intense hurricanes — categories 3, 4 and 5.
Here’s how the forecast team has fared on their predictions for the past three seasons:
April 2005: They predicted 13 named storms. There were a record 28.
April 2006: The preseason forecast called for 17 named storms. There were 10 that year.
April 2007. They predicted 27 named storms. We ended up with 15 actually forming.
“The 16-year-old girl whose allegations triggered the massive raid against a polygamist compound gave a harrowing account of life inside the secretive outpost, where she was forced to have sex and was beaten regularly, according to court documents released Tuesday.”
The same girl who can’t be found? Whose anonymous testimony was grounds for a search warrant? The violations of civil rights in this case are beyond egregious. The next time your neighbor is pissed at you all he has to do is call the cops, give an imaginary name, and claim you are doing who knows what. Dangerous, dangerous, dangerous precedent, and just one more example about how hysteria over sex is being used to completely trash every right we have.
Wait, I thought global warming created more and more intense hurricanes due to the heat in the ocean. Since there hasn’t been a rise in temperatures since 1998, wouldn’t the number of hurricanes remain the same or decrease? Isn’t this the La Nina cycle?
A theorist suggests that warmer oceans create more sheer, thus lessening hurricane effects, Sol. I know popular press blamed Katrina on global warming, but I doubt that the majority of climatologists did.
Understanding the impact of these factors in the mutual interaction of hurricane-ocean is critical to more accurately forecasting intensity change in land-falling hurricanes. Use of hurricane heat content derived from the satellite radar altimeter measurements of sea surface height has been shown to improve intensity prediction.
Sol - another interesting factor might be a strengthening of the “Bermuda High” due to a shift of ferrell-hadly boundary. This could impact the course of storms; making it more likely they will hit Central America and ledd likely Florida. This is also involved in the multi-year drought in the SE although this year that seems to have lessened slightly.
‘Gallup Daily: Obama Leads Clinton by 10 Points’ http://www.gallup.com/poll/106369/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-Points.aspx
“For the third consecutive day, Barack Obama holds a significant advantage over Hillary Clinton in national Democratic preferences for the Democratic presidential nomination, now 51% to 41%.”
“Establishing Islam in Minnesota”
By Michelle Malkin • April 9, 2008 11:43 AM Investigative columnist Katharine Kersten at the Minneapolis Star Tribune has been digging into Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a public charter school that’s fronting for the Muslim American Society. When she asked to visit the government-funded school, an official told her the schedule was too hectic to accommodate her because of statewide testing. When Kersten found out that testing wouldn’t begin for several weeks, the school refused to return her calls and e-mails. Fortunately, one teacher was willing to spill the beans:
TIZA’s executive director, Asad Zaman, is a Muslim imam, or religious leader, and its sponsor is an organization called Islamic Relief.
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law — and “Islamic Studies” is offered at the end of the school day.
Zaman maintains that TIZA is not a religious school. He declined, however, to allow me to visit the school to see for myself, “due to the hectic schedule for statewide testing.” But after I e-mailed him that the Minnesota Department of Education had told me that testing would not begin for several weeks, Zaman did not respond — even to urgent calls and e-mails seeking comment before my first column on TIZA.
Now, however, an eyewitness has stepped forward. Amanda Getz of Bloomington is a substitute teacher. She worked as a substitute in two fifth-grade classrooms at TIZA on Friday, March 14. Her experience suggests that school-sponsored religious activity plays an integral role at TIZA.
Arriving on a Friday, the Muslim holy day, she says she was told that the day’s schedule included a “school assembly” in the gym after lunch.
Before the assembly, she says she was told, her duties would include taking her fifth-grade students to the bathroom, four at a time, to perform “their ritual washing.”
Afterward, Getz said, “teachers led the kids into the gym, where a man dressed in white with a white cap, who had been at the school all day,” was preparing to lead prayer. Beside him, another man “was prostrating himself in prayer on a carpet as the students entered.”
“The prayer I saw was not voluntary,” Getz said. “The kids were corralled by adults and required to go to the assembly where prayer occurred.”
Where are the separation-of-church-and-state activists now?
TIZA’s operation as a public, taxpayer-funded school is troubling on several fronts. TIZA is skirting the law by operating what is essentially an Islamic school at taxpayer expense. The Department of Education has failed to provide the oversight necessary to catch these illegalities, and appears to lack the tools to do so. In addition, there’s a double standard at work here — if TIZA were a Christian school, it would likely be gone in a heartbeat.
TIZA is now being held up as a national model for a new kind of charter school. If it passes legal muster, Minnesota taxpayers may soon find themselves footing the bill for a separate system of education for Muslims.
That Florida law allows you to leave your gun in your locked car while it’s in the parking lot of your employer.
The bill does not require employers to allow guns into a private workplace.
Many employers ban guns from their property, even their parking lots. That disarms all employees while they travel to/from work.
Employers have fired employees who keep guns locked in their cars!
So, if you are for protection of the working people from The Big Bad Corporations, this bill is for you!
TALLAHASSEE, Florida - Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.
The bill, allowing workers to keep guns in their cars for self-protection, was approved by the Florida Senate by a vote of 26-13. It now goes to Republican Gov. Charlie Crist to sign into law.
“The only troll here was you, when you made the comment you did to Max.”
Max and Price, I have seen perfectly rational people become very irrational in the workplace. I have had to have the police remove employees from the premises. I have seen seemingly normal human beings “drop the gloves” over alleged insults in the workplace. I have seen executives escorted from the plant because their announcement of a plant shutdown caused a near riot.
I had to call the police once to have a female employee removed from the office - a church going, mother of four.
My crime was that I accepted her resignation. She was convinced that I would beg her to stay and give her a raise.
She was wrong.
If ya’ want to take your guns to work, whatever, I don’t work in that environment anymore. I don’t care.
But rationality can turn to irrational behavior in a heartbeat.
“A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his n’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida; the one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like
easy work.”
Just fired someone last week for making threatening comments at work.
I was not able to carry a firearm per workplace policy, though I have a permit.
Had 3 other Supervisors and Managers around so 4 of us against one potentially violent employee to be fired. Had one security guard ready with his awesome can of mace waiting in the wings.
Got lucky this time. After 1 week, this guy is still calling in threats via phone and email.
I can only fire someone for brining a gun in the office IF I KNOW he/she has done this.
But I can never carry a gun for self-defense without risking my job.
“But I can never carry a gun for self-defense without risking my job.”
So, what’s your point, Max? Guns IN the workplace should not be allowed because some folks just lose it.
The woman that I let go because I accepted her resignation threatened to have her 6′5″ 300# boyfriend take care of me. He was smarter than that, but I did have to park my Jeep in the rail bay for a week or so.
People, rational or otherwise, tend to get really worked up in the workplace when things go badly.
Sorry Monkey Hawk, that one has been exploded on Snopes. This isn’t the first time it’s been on here, but by all means, continue to post it. People will believe it because they know Bush.
My point was Clark that people carry guns to work all the time - legally or not. Violating company policy or not. You just don’t know it, cause you don’t see it.
But those who could legally carry, and who choose not to break company policy, are disarmed.
Being in the office is no safer then being in a gun-free zone in the mall.
“Being in the office is no safer then being in a gun-free zone in the mall.”
So, Max……………… Fred the Forklift Driver works for Seth the Supervisor. Both can legally carry and do.
Seth fires Fred because Fred violates a zero tolerance safety policy. Fred is highly agitated because he has worked for the company for thirty years. Seth is equally agitated because his job is dependent on a good safety record.
Seth and Fred have words, many words and their argument gets more heated by the second.
Fred reaches for his gun………………
Don’t think it can happen? With the exception of the gun, I have seen it happen.
The law doesn’t make it mandatory that EVERYONE carry their weapon IN the workplace.
The law would allow those who have a permit to carry concealed the ability to keep their weapons in their vehichle.
The law is aimed to allow those who have a permit to carry concealed the ability to do so to at least the parking lot.
Otherwise, those with permits would have to leave their weapons at home so that they wouldn’t be in violation of their workplace rules on weapons in the parking lot.
It is the same reason Kansas changed the law to only forbid concealed carry into buildings posted, not in the parking lot.
Those who carry concealed would never be able to if they could never leave their weapon in their vehicle to respect those who do not want weapons in their buildings.
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“Sorry R.L. called, I don’t have the government sending me checks, nor do live off of my sister, so I had to leave. But, right on time James …..—————————————
Hmmm, and this adds to the discussion how?
Actually, I earned my government pension and I am the sole provider for my sister, ……”
Hmmm sounds a little strange — kind of like my movie about the Norman Bates motel —-
“Those who carry concealed would never be able to if they could never leave their weapon in their vehicle to respect those who do not want weapons in their buildings.”
What respect Sea Monkey? — you’ve already said on previous blog sthat you regularly violate the desire of those who mdo not want weapons in their facilities - liquor stores, restaurants malls bars etc —- you’ve even gone so far as to say you were above the law when it comes to those issues …..
“Well, if you don’t really care why do you continue to post your same old anti-gun arguments then?”
What was my anti-gun post, Price? Do you want guns in the workplace? I was noting that the workplace is not a good place for weapons - tempers, in my experience, run very hot in the workplace, even among seemingly rational people.
“You sound just like the typical “blood in the streets” crowd about every single law that helps people carry concealed.”
Really? Copy and paste my “blood in the streets” post.
I think that YOU are funny, Price, you see guns as the solution to every problem. Go for it - get a freakin’ bazooka, a machine gun, a silencer and a sawed off shotgun. I do not care.
Get this through your increasingly thick head - I do not care.
When in doubt, read this - I do not care about and your little popguns.
Truth Truck driver Ronald Brock was illegally threatened with arrest and impoundment of his Truth Truck on Monday evening by Olathe Police Sgt. David Haldeman (Badge #751), and run out of town. Mr. Haldeman seems to think that accurate photos of mangled, dismembered, poisoned, and beheaded babies in abortion mills violate obscenity laws somehow.
These Truth Truck signs sometimes save a baby’s life. Will we allow a baby-hating Olathe cop or two to run First Amendment free speech out of town?
This could get ugly. Federal civil rights lawsuit, coming up.
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Internet search engine Google does not allow ads that combine the promotion of Christian and pro-life views, and is therefore being sued by the Christian Institute, Britain’s leading conservative Christian nonprofit organization.
This could get ugly.
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Lord Patel of Dunkeld, the chairman of the UK National Stem Cell Network and a chancellor at Dundee University, says embryonic stem cell research is simply not working. He conceded in an interview with the Scotsman newspaper that the controversial, unethical, and so far useless science may never deliver new treatments for diseases.
Well, Duhhh!
The tumors and immune syndrome rejection issues make ESCR too risky for human trials, and such problems may never be overcome. For 10 years now, scientists, academics, and leftist media have overly hyped a mythical potential for cures in order to sucker taxpayers into sinking millions, even billions, into doomed-to-failure ESCR projects, while ethical adult stem cell research, underrated and underreported, has continued producing dozens more cures and beneficial treatments for many thousands of people, with more soon coming from current human trials.
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Baby-hating pro-abortion Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich proclaimed Tuesday as Save Abandoned Babies Day, which is designed to encourage awareness for newborns’ rights and ensure their proper care. A standardized sign that will be posted on safe haven locations was unveiled as part of the celebration in 15 cities across the state.
A Chicago Fire Department captain created the sign that is used in five states, and two more states are considering its use. All 50 states have versions of a safe haven law.
These laws do not prevent the deaths of all newborns caused by abandonment or deliberate murder, so there is some concern that desperate mothers should be made aware of the laws and locations of safe haven locations through signs and ad campaigns.
On the other hand, publicizing harsh criminal penalties handed out for illegal abandonment, abuse, or murder of newborns might also be effective.
How come we can’t comment on the individual who falsly claimed the purple heart (on the story page). Is it becuase the Eagle Beagle wants to shut down comments to certain stories. And how come we don’t see other stories about phony polititians, phony (and biased) newspapers, and phony police departments. There ought to be a law against it.
The issue is about allowing those with concealed carry permits the ability to leave their guns locked in their vehicles at work, not take them in with them.
But, yes, I do think those with concealed carry permits should be able to carry their weapons to work too.
Your “blood in the street” type argument is saying that simply because if we were to allow concealed carry permit holders the ability to carry in the workplace that somehow tempers might flare and they would shoot one another or someone would shoot someone.
That is the typical “blood in the street” type argument that all the anti-concealed carry people had before concealed carry was passed in Kansas and almost every other state as well.
Here we are…. where is the blood in the street? Where are the road rage shootings? Where are the sporting event shootings? Where are the drunken bar fight shootings?
The anti-concealed carry people had all those arguments just like you do about carrying in the work place.
Yes, harsh criminal penalties are needed in the murder of newborns. I would also ask, however, the following:
Should there not be harsh penalties for delinquent fathers and/or sex criminals? If my ex had been held accountable for the live birth of his first child (born in the summer of 1974), he likely wouldn’t have been possessed of enough spare time to prey on wandering, nubile idiots.
My god - I wouldn’t have called my younger self an idiot a year ago. Age, time and reflection do strange things to a woman, I guess.
But my point is this - and I believe it to be valid: We don’t hold fathers accountable - and that goes for all of us - pro choice or anti-choice.
Moreover, if my ex had been severely punished for his first sexual assault (not quite rape, but icky enough - the victim spoke to me about it years ago) - he might have grown into something approximating a human being.
And he might have escaped his cruel fate: permanent disability and constant pain…..and being compared by his most caustic ex to a character in “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” - the original, not the weird remakes.
I certainly support all measures enacted to aid desperate women and help them care for their newborns. I just believe - and have always believed - that too often the female assumes sole responsibility in these matters.
It takes two to create a new life - it should demand dual obligation.
“But, yes, I do think those with concealed carry permits should be able to carry their weapons to work too.”
I am sure you do - but I pointed out several cases where it just might not be a good idea.
“Your “blood in the street” type argument is saying that simply because if we were to allow concealed carry permit holders the ability to carry in the workplace that somehow tempers might flare and they would shoot one another or someone would shoot someone.”
And pointed out several cases, where in my thirty year experience, where rational people have become irrational.
“Here we are…. where is the blood in the street? Where are the road rage shootings? Where are the sporting event shootings? Where are the drunken bar fight shootings?”
Copy and paste where I have posted ANYTHING even close to that or just STFU.
“The anti-concealed carry people had all those arguments just like you do about carrying in the work place.”
Having been a business manager or executive for many, many years, I stated my opinion that the workplace is not a place for weapons.
People do get out of control.
But please feel free to copy and paste my “blood in the streets” comments.
Go for it…………………..
But please, Price, show me where I have been anti-gun…….
Parkay, if you posted anything even remotely acurate from time to time, we might take you seriously.
DoorKing, the only civil rights being violated were those of the children and women in that compound. Leave it to you to advocate the sexual abuse and rape of girls.
It is not your lack of enthusiasm. It is your abduntant posting against anything related to types of guns or concealed carry as being absurd or not needed or wrong or that you don’t agree with it…etc.
What you are enthusiastic about is posting basically against things pro-gun.
So tell me then, do you support allowing concealed carry permit holders to be allowed to leave their weapons in their vehicles on work property?
I wasn’t aware that one could be fined or imprisoned for falsely claiming a purple heart. Thought it sounded kind of crazy prosecuting someone for that.
“If you care so little then why did you start by posting this”
Oh, let’s see Price……………….
Cuz’ I secretly hate guns and all gun owners.
Cuz’ I secretly want to see all guns taken away from legitimate gun owners and given to criminals.
Cus’ I secretly want all guns banned and CCP holders to be thrown in prison where they are to be tortured by being forced to watch reruns of George WMD Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” speech 24/7.
Or……………………………..
Given my experience in business, I don’t think that it is a great idea, BUT I REALLY COULD CARE LESS because I am not longer working in that field.
If not, then you have no friggin idea what is in the workplace now!
The FLORIDA law, AGAIN, does not mandate weapons in the workplace. It simply allows those who have CC permits to leave their weapon in their locked car, in their employers parking lot.
Why the scare tactics Clark?
And to Bill and Ted and their excellent adventure - DNFTT.
What scare tactics, Max, relating my experiences in business?
“The workplace is not a place for weapons?”
What percentage of businesses do you think would allow their employees to carry guns, Max? 10%? 5%?
“If not, then you have no friggin idea what is in the workplace now!”
Nearly all companies have strict rules about weapons in the workplace - for most, it is instant termination.
“The FLORIDA law, AGAIN, does not mandate weapons in the workplace. It simply allows those who have CC permits to leave their weapon in their locked car, in their employers parking lot.”
Well, no freakin’ shit, Max. I read the article before I posted it.
“DoorKing, the only civil rights being violated were those of the children and women in that compound. Leave it to you to advocate the sexual abuse and rape of girls.” — p.m.
The search warrant was obtained through an anonymous tip. There is no proof that the girl even exists. No one bothered to find out before the warrant was executed. Do you deny that? The 4th Amendment is basis of the privacy which you claim is so precious to women in abortion issues. Do you wish to see it completely gutted because an anonymous teenager cries on a cell phone?
If someone in wichita called police, and said she was being beaten, they wouldn’t wait for a search warrant, they’d bust the door down to get to them to save them.
The authorities have known for years what is going on there, and they needed just this kind of thing to allow them to get in there and save the women and children being abused.
Leave it to you to ignore the pleas of someone being abused. what about HER civil rights?
Once they got in there, seeing dozens of pregnant teens was enough to remove them all.
That’s so true W.S. Clark. The only right these assholes have any respect for is the second. That’s why their defense of the Constitution is so laughable.
I’ll bet every one of these gun nuts is all for preventing Phelps from demonstrating at funerals, is all for amending the Constitution to define marriage or prevent burning the flag. I doubt if any of them can even recognized the myriad ways in which Bush has violated the Constitution.
If in order to pack a firearm one had to pass the same psychological profile as a federal agent, none of them would be granted permission. What they write on these blogs alone would automatically disqualify them.
I have no objection to well-trained stable individuals packing a concealed weapon. It’s a wash. They’ll prevent a few crimes, and a few will shoot themselves in the groin and bleed to death.
But it’s obvious that Max is just dying for the day that he gets to blow someone away. Someone like that should never carry a weapon.
Anyway, Max is just a figment I suspect. I don’t think he’s a foreman of anything because if he acts at work like he does in here, his underlings would have beaten him to death years ago. No one is afraid of him in real life, I wager, and in the end, he’s just another fear-filled, pot-bellied sack of poop, maybe working in the Post Office, if we works at all. Most likely, he’s on Social Security or disability. Which explains his hatred of all social programs.
Max is a Hell’s Angel without a Harley. All hat. No cattle.
If someone in wichita called police, and said she was being beaten, they wouldn’t wait for a search warrant, they’d bust the door down to get to them to save them. — p.m.
No they knock on the door. If they have evidence something is going on, they can enter. That is if they hear shouts or screams. They investigate. They don’t break down the door. They knock. They question whoever answers.
Once they got in there, seeing dozens of pregnant teens was enough to remove them all. — p.m.
So what, the world is filled with pregnant teens. That doesn’t mean a thing. There are probably as many pregnant teens on your block as were in the compound.
The authorities have known for years what is going on there, and they needed just this kind of thing to allow them to get in there and save the women and children being abused — p.m.
If they knew what was going on, why didn’t they stop it years ago? The church kicks out it’s young men. They’ve been interviewed on national televison. They could have built a case that way. With real witnesses, who had real names. Women have left the church. They’ve told their stories.
Here’s my guess. A few leaders will be charged with something or another. Eventually those familes will get together because they want to be together. The church will reconstitute, and every thing will go on as before. A few people will leave the chuch no doubt, and sell their stories to the National Enquirer.
This is not the first time this has happened, you know. The church was raided in the fifies, and the women were forcibly removed. Some of the granddaughters of those same women were removed this time. For the most part I suspect those women WANT to live that way.
Who knows what they’ve done with the girl. And you’re retarded if you think that the police would politely knock on the door if someone called during an abuse. Do they casually walk into a bank and ask where the party is when there is a report of a bank robbery?
Just because they cannot find the girl does not mean she does not exist. She knew things about the inside that only someone on the inside could have known. If we’re lucky, we won’t find her in a grave.
As for the man, they’ve already said they think they have the wrong guy, that someone else might have his same name.
I don’t care if the women want to live that way, they’re more than welcome. But if they’re going to give their children up to be raped, then they should give up their children at birth and not be allowed contact, and they should be charged if their children are sexually abused should she choose to stay.
Have you heard some of these reports? Being FORCED to have sex in front of members of the church on a bed designed for that purpose after marriage? As a testament to the procreation of their perfect race to the Lord?
THEY WATCH THESE GIRLS GETTING RAPED IN THE TEMPLE.
This certainly should have its own thread tomorrow, if not be the topic for an editorial piece!
It shows that the interrogation was not only sanctioned but orchestrated by the bush administration. They should all be charged with war crimes. http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=4583256&page=1
“Critics at home and abroad have harshly criticized the interrogation program, which pushed the limits of international law and, they say, condoned torture. Bush and his top aides have consistently defended the program. They say it is legal and did not constitute torture.”snip
“But this is the first time sources have disclosed that a handful of the most senior advisers in the White House explicitly approved the details of the program. According to multiple sources, it was members of the Principals Committee that not only discussed specific plans and specific interrogation methods, but approved them.”
and the Libs learn a new catch word, “Principals”. Yeah, I watch and read the news too. How many times will the new word be used in the next day I wonder?
True Conservatives know the meaning Clark, however there are very few in politics and none as a choice for Pres. This will be another “shitty end of the stick” choice for us.
Dawn Leamon, Who Alleges She Was Raped by Two Men, Told Her Story on Capitol Hill
By MADDY SAUER
April 9, 2008—
Yet another woman has come forward saying she was brutally raped in Iraq while working for the U.S. contractor Kellogg Brown Root (KBR).
Dawn Leamon, who has two sons on active duty, says she was raped earlier this year by a U.S. soldier and a KBR colleague.
She will tell her horrific story to members of Congress today at a hearing of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
Leamon says that following her rape, she spoke with a woman at the KBR Employee Assistance Program. “She discouraged me from reporting, saying, ‘You know what will happen if you do,’” Leamon said.
Leamon says KBR then assigned full-time security guards to her which gave her no privacy to talk about the incident, and her movements around camp were restricted, yet her attackers’ movements were unrestricted.
“KBR did little or nothing to restore my sense of safety after I reported being raped,” said Leamon.
KBR release a statement today saying, “Ms. Leamon’s allegations are currently under investigation by the appropriate law enforcement authorities. Therefore, KBR cannot comment on specifics of the allegations or investigation. The safety and security of all employees remains KBR’s top priority. Any allegation of sexual harassment or assault is taken seriously and investigated thoroughly. As such, Ms. Leamon’s allegations have been referred to law enforcement authorities and are being investigated accordingly.”
Also at today’s hearing, for the first time the Department of Justice is slated to answer questions on the investigation and prosecution of alleged sex crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one has yet been charged in Leamon’s case.
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No wonder machine gun ownership has been approved.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080409/ts_nm/economy_inequality_dc_1
Reposted for the dayshift, I give you unintended consequences of the war. Policy blowback volume 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUGc7EWz5jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxShcUhgvY8
The man has no shame, with his war campaign back in high gear he capitalizes on the seals death.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_medal_of_honor
Of course Mcbush made time for the ceremony even with his active campaigning schedule.
Anyone else have to scrape that Global Warming from their windshield this morning?
Please.
DO watch annie’s video. See what bush hath wrought.
He makes the children of Iraq cry. And America’s children will foot the bill.
TO MY FELLOW BLOGGERS;
I WANT TO START A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FOLLOWING TOPICS: FASCISM IN WICHITA, HOW CORRUPT ARE HE ATTORNEYS & JDUGES IN WICHITA, IF YU THINK THAT THE KC STAR & WICHITA EAGLE REFUSE TO DO INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING, IF THE KANSAS CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST DEFAMATION LAWS ARE A GOOD, THE UPCOMING 18TH JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT RACES, THE NECESSITY OF THE CURRENT CITIZEN CRIMINAL GRAND JURY SYSTEM, THE NEED TO HAVE JURY TRIALS FOR CIVIL, FAMILY LAW & JUVENILE LAW CASES.
FREE SPEECH IS IMPORTANT & I DO APPRECIATE THE EAGLE FOR ALLOWINGME TO CRITCIZE THEM, HOWEVER THEY OCCASIONALLY SEEM TO CENSOR MY COMMENTS. I HAVE ATTACHED A COMMENT THAT I POSTED THIS MORNING. THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK (EITHER SUPPORTIVE OR NEGTIVE).
BILL MCKEAN KIAKAHAHAHA@YAHOO.COM 316-293-6079
Hey David: America is rapidly turning into a fascist society because newspaper reporters refuse to investigate government corruption. Last January in the basement of the Kansas State Capital, I have personally witnessed a concerned citizen offer to provide you a tape recording of a prominent Wichita family law attorney trying to extort $100,000 from him by instructing him to pay in cash to his ex-wife’s attorney. The ex-wife’s attorney is currently running for Sedgwick County District Court Judge. Another KC Star reporter was present in your little cubbyhole office, and I contacted your editor the following Friday which was the day that your former publisher resigned to take a new job in Denver. There is so much influence peddling and corruption in the state district courts in Kansas that citizens in Johnson County are starting to contact me by e-mail in response to my comment.
Everything does not have to be about Tiller & abortion. Kansans must have the right to jury trials in civil & criminal trials otherwise corrupt district court judges will continue to cover up serious human rights violations. Kansans must have the right to call for criminal grand juries otherwise fascist district attorneys like Nola Foulston will cover up serious criminal activity by law enforcement agencies, prominent attorneys & doctors, judges, elected officials & government employees. Mark Stafford at the Board of Healing Arts, Stan Hazlett at the Office of Judicial Administration or Jean Hogan at the Board Behavior Science Board delay & minimize any punishments against doctors, attorneys & mental health professionals. State Rep. Jim Morrison, Chairman of the House Committee on Technology and Government efficiency reported told the weekly GOP Wichita Pachyderm Club audience last August that he had illegally obtained a copy of a cancelled check to bribe a Wichita family law judge in a child custody case.
David - We would not have all of these problems if the editors at the McLatchy owned Wichita Eagle & Kansas City Star allowed their reporters to do investigative reporting. Nepotism & narcissism continues to be the root of all evil in Kansas. Tell your publisher that citizens want real news to be printed rather than opinions & commentaries written by the wife of your publisher. David - No one cares about your worthless “insider” political commentaries about state capital politics that are televised over the Eagle’s website. For a KC Star reporter like you to earn face time on the Wichita Eagle website podcast or Eagle opinion page editor, Phil Brownlee, to have his politically satirical Bucky Walter video broadcast on the website, is it required that you and Phil sell out your journalistic integrity and principles? I guess everyone wants to be a celebrity or a “playa” in the new world of “Bonnie Bing” journalism.
I’ll thank Sherry in advance for not censoring the comment. I’ll forward a copy of this comment by e-mail to all of the Wichita judges, your colleagues at the Eagle and my contacts at the Poynter Institute. I seriously doubt that any one will have the courage to sue me for libel or ask Nola Foulston to press misdemeanor charges against me for criminal defamation. I’m assuming that my fellow W. Missouri-Kansas ACLU members will defend my right to free speech especially after they voted down (50-2) my resolution that I made at the 2/2007 biannual meeting to repeal the Kansas criminal laws. If the ACLU can defend the Phelps family for flag desecration, surely they will jump at the opportunity to defend my free speech right to try to expose the illegal or unethical acts of fascist government officials even though I am their only member that is a conservative, pro-life Christian Republican.
Bill McKean kiakahahaha@yahoo.com (316) 293-6079
Posted on Wed, Apr. 09, 2008
Tiller attorney claims grand-jury harassment
BY DAVID KLEPPER
Eagle Topeka Bureau
Do repeat investigations of abortion provider George Tiller amount to harassment? And if not, should a grand jury investigating the Wichita physician get access to patient medical records?
In a rare special session, the Kansas Supreme Court heard arguments from all sides Tuesday as it considered Tiller’s request to block a grand jury’s request for medical records.
Tiller’s attorney told the justices that the grand jury investigation — the second to focus on Tiller — constitutes harassment. And an attorney representing former patients of Tiller said the need to protect patient privacy trumps any need to see the redacted records.
“All we are asking is that Dr. Tiller and his clinic enjoy the protections of the Constitution,” said Lee Thompson, a lawyer representing Tiller.
But according to attorneys representing the grand jury and the judges overseeing it, state law gives grand juries broad powers to seek whatever information they deem relevant. They said Tiller can challenge any evidence if he faces a prosecution.
“These records are unquestionably relevant to the investigation,” said attorney David Cooper, representing the two judges who oversee the grand jury.
The Sedgwick County grand jury was impaneled by a citizen petition three months ago to investigate whether Tiller’s clinic followed state law on late-term abortions. Kansas is one of a few states that allow citizen petitions to create grand juries.
The jury has asked for up to 2,000 patient medical files.
It is seeking all health care records of patients who aborted a fetus determined to be 22 weeks or older from July 1, 2003, through Jan. 18 at Tiller’s clinic, Women’s Health Care Services.
The grand jury also wants the health care records of patients who did not have abortions but were at least 22 weeks pregnant when they consulted with a physician at the clinic.
The court’s decision could come at any time.
Kansas law forbids abortions after the 22nd week of pregnancy unless two independent physicians determine that the pregnancy represents a grave health threat. Anti-abortion groups have long argued that Tiller violates the law, though Tiller’s attorneys strenuously deny it.
Tiller also faces misdemeanor charges, filed by former Attorney General Paul Morrison, alleging that Tiller had an improper financial relationship with a physician who signed off on late-term abortions. In 2006, a grand jury impaneled by a citizen petition reviewed the death of a Texas woman who had an abortion at Tiller’s clinic, but issued no indictments.
Kansans for Life, an anti-abortion group that started the grand jury petition, argues that medical records are the only way to know whether Tiller followed the law. The group notes that identifying information was stricken from files used in earlier investigations.
Michelle Armesto-Berge, a 23-year-old Topeka woman, joined the group at a news conference Monday. She received an abortion at Tiller’s clinic in 2003, and said she was never asked to sign any paperwork until after the abortion began. She said she thinks Tiller’s clinic misreported the age of her fetus to state regulators.
“She’s the poster child for why the records have to be obtained,” said Kathy Ostrowski, a Kansans for Life lobbyist.
A separate grand jury investigating Planned Parenthood’s Overland Park clinic disbanded last month without issuing indictments. The jury did, however, recommend a review of the law allowing citizens to create grand juries.
Reach David Klepper at 785-354-1388.
© 2007 Wichita Eagle and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved. http://www.kansas.com
Simple Mr. McKean,
Set up a non-profit under the guise of Journalistic/Public Information endeavor. Then with thousands of contacts, you compile information on reporters, publish it and see if they like the same treatment.
This doesn’t bode well for the electronic voting age.
Subpoenas were issued in six New Jersey counties today, demanding that officials turn over for testing all voting machines where discrepancies were found in the presidential primary tallies.
Election officials in Bergen, Gloucester, Mercer, Middlesex, Ocean and Union counties were instructed to turn over the machines by April 15. Activists trying to persuade Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg that electronic voting machines should be discarded succeeded in convincing her that examining these counties’ machines is critical to their case.
“In order to succeed in our case and show Sequoia machines are insecure and can be hacked into, we need to look at these machines,” Venetis argued. Clerks in the six counties uncovered discrepancies in 60 machines when they doubled check the vote tallies after the Feb. 5 presidential primary.
Michelle Shafer, a spokeswoman for Sequoia in California, said her company would try to have the subpoenas quashed. But no motions were filed today with Superior Court Judge Linda Feinberg, who is presiding over the case in Trenton.
Sequoia maintained the errors found in the presidential primary were due to poll workers pushing the wrong buttons on the control panels. The company resisted calls for independent testing of the machines.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2008/04/subpoenas_issued_to_reexamine.html
Justice Dept. Avoiding Corporate Prosecutions With Questionable, Secretive Deals
And the New York Times is reporting the Justice Department has avoided prosecuting more than fifty major corporations accused of wrongdoing over the past three years. The decline in prosecutions is seen as a deliberate and dramatic shift in policy. Rather than take companies to court for high-profile cases, the Bush administration has relied on ‘deferred prosecution agreements’ that impose fines and appoint an outside monitor to enforce internal changes at the companies involved. The outside monitoring came under scrutiny this year after it was revealed former Attorney General John Ashcroft’s consulting firm won a fifty-million dollar government contract to oversee an agreement. Terms of the deals are often kept secret. Companies recently avoiding prosecutions include Monsanto, American Express, and Merrill Lynch. Legal experts say the deferred prosecutions may encourage companies to commit wrongdoing knowing they will likely be able to avoid a costly and public trial if they’re caught. Experts also say the agreements could become even more prevalent as the Justice Department takes on companies accused of wrongdoing in the subprime mortgage crisis.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/9/headlines#8
It’s a good thing the voting machines in Sedg. Co. have already been tested and proven to be acurate.
We will not have the problems other states are having.
Good job Bill Gale.
Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry [big duhhh-if firearms are illegal, nothing to carry]
WIND ^ | 4-3-08 | Amanda Carpenter
Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 12:57:31 PM by SJackson
Barack Obama is embracing anti-gun policies in the run-up to a Democratic presidential debate scheduled on the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
These remarks break from Obama’s previous moderate rhetoric on gun control.
While campaigning in Idaho in February, Obama promised, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.”
Obama elaborated later that month in a political forum sponsored by ABC News and the Politico. He said: “I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respects the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”
Obama’s tough talk on gun control may be prompted by Philadelphia-based Democratic leaders who are pressuring Clinton and Obama to adopt harder stances on gun control. This issue is expected to come up in ABC News’ Democratic debate on April 16 in Philadelphia. 32 people were shot to death on the campus of Virginia Tech by Seung-Hui Cho April 16, 2007.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1996198/posts
http://www.usacarry.com/
Obama Comes Out Against Concealed Carry
Barack Obama is embracing anti-gun policies in the run-up to a Democratic presidential debate scheduled on the one-year anniversary of the Virginia Tech shootings.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama told the Pittsburgh Tribune. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
These remarks break from Obama’s previous moderate rhetoric on gun control.
http://www.usacarry.com/
Clinton and Obama favor some kind of ban on assault weapons, something McCain opposes.
“I … think we should reinstate the assault weapons ban (that expired in 2004) in order to give our police officers a fighting chance against the criminals on the street with these military-style assault weapons,” Clinton said Tuesday.
“I am not in favor of concealed weapons,” Obama said. “I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html
This morning’s Eagle, page 4A, there are two short articles addressing hungry citizens, soaring food prices…
Haitian rioters storm presidential palace
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti
Hungry citizens stormed the presidential palace Tuesday … over soaring food prices, and U.N. troops battled rioters with rubber bullets and tear gas…
Egypt pays up to quell rioting
MAHALLA EL-KOBRA, Egypt
Egypt rushed Tuesday to grant bonuses to workers after two days of deadly riots over high food prices and low wages… Rising prices have struck hard in Egypt, a U.S. ally where 40 percent of the people live in or near poverty…
People are hungry.
And how much does it cost DAILY to continue waging bush’s war in Iraq?
http://tinyurl.com/alyer
Ethanol is great isn’t it? So what if burning our food supply drives up the price of food!
Ethanol allows us to avoid drilling for oil in the US. We can’t allow that!
YOU want to conserve energy and avoid using oil? Quit Driving! Sell your car!
Or just keep complaining about the high price of gas, the high price of food, and keep pushing for bans on oil drilling in the USA!
Ted gets excited and asked me (ed) to pass this along.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/21/60minutes/main3859830_page2.shtml
“Or we could save 1/290,000,000th of our excess consumption by eliminating you Max” — Bill
Make my day, Bill.
No abortions for THESE good Christians:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/33097.html
Affadavit recounts sex and abuse at sect’s Texas ranch
By Bill Hanna | Fort Worth Star-Telegam
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ELDORADO, Texas — The 16-year-old girl whose allegations triggered the massive raid against a polygamist compound gave a harrowing account of life inside the secretive outpost, where she was forced to have sex and was beaten regularly, according to court documents released Tuesday.
Life behind the gates of the YFZ Ranch, built by now-jailed sect leader Warren Jeffs, was one where young girls were forced to marry and have babies as soon as they reached puberty. The girl, whom authorities still haven’t found, said the man she “spiritually married” would “beat and hurt her” whenever he got angry.
The affidavit, part of a slew of documents released by the state, gives a horrifying glimpse inside a male-dominated culture where 13- and 14-year-old girls were forced to have sex with their arranged husbands.
Read the full story at star-telegram.com.
Sol, sounds like a govt. shakedown, collecting hush money for Friends of Bush club.
Unless Parkay is Randall Terry, Father David Trosch, a Catholic woman who, in 1981, claimed “there’s no such thing as marital rape”, or a big, fat OSA activist who publicly embraced a convicted rapist at a public event in the fall of 2005, it probably isn’t fair to lump Parkay and other right-to-life activists in with a Mormon offshoot.
Yes, this story is abominable. And here is a significant area where I would differ with many anti-choice individuals. If a woman (especially a young girl) is impregnated by rape (whether it’s marital rape or not), I cannot accept that early abortions should never be allowed. I cannot accept that God (whoever he/she is) would send her and her caretakers to hell. (excepting the rapist(s) themselves, by the way).
I cannot accept the version of “that” kind of deity. I never will. I’m not alleging that abortion is a morally “pure” act; I never felt my own abortion was a spiritually perfect act. I felt that God was merciful, no matter how much maturity, time and wisdom has compelled me to re-evaluate my choice.
But this story concerns rape victims - underage rape victims trapped in a vicious, violent patriarchy that should not be allowed - ever. Whether God “likes” abortion really isn’t the point - not in my view. He is a god of mercy; that, to me, is what should be paramount.
Sol, I ended up changing my hard drive and my dvd. At least I got to upgrade to 3.2 gig, and dl dvd.
Gosh, the police aren’t always there in time to save you?
Cops: Woman Raped in Wal-Mart Parking Lot With Baby in Car
Tuesday, April 08, 2008
A Florida woman was raped Tuesday in a Wal-Mart parking lot while her 1-year-old baby was in the car, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.
The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.
Another fact can’t be denied: The MAINSTREAM Mormon Church (known as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints) does NOT excommunicate impregnated rape victims who have abortions from that pregnancy. They do not condone it; however, they confer compassion upon the innocent victim. They do not require her to go before the heirarchy (I’m not sure whether Mormons have confession or something akin…).
This is impressive in my view - seeing that the Mormon Church is still ruled solely by men, as is Catholicism. Were I still a Catholic, and I were raped and impregnated, (in addition to a critical health concern that renders pregnancy extremely perilous) - and I had an abortion - canon law would dictate my excommunication. Whether priests are now given more authority in these matters is unclear - I’ve been an ex-Catholic since Christmas of ‘89.
But this is much is clear: The LDS Church has excommunicated Warren Jeffs most forcefully and denounced his views. Polygamy is not allowed. Abortion is not condoned, but the damnable crime of rape - and the legacy it enacts - is given strong consideration here. The LDS Church considers rape victims’ purity intact and does not allow self-hatred or self-denigration - they are at least to be commended for that.
Father Trosch has been relieved of his pastoral duties by his bishop - why he has not be excommunicated for his views is beyond me.
Boys will be boys,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQdgyEapvw&NR=1
“Make my day, Bill.’– Max
You don’t have any days, Max, just illusions.
And then boys laugh at their fun. Real funny.
Over on the thread about Hagee and McCain it is assumed Hagee is all sweetness and light becasue after all that’s what the church he founded says on their website.
Do you suppose these soldiers have some code of conduct written down someplace, maybe even on a website.
Wonder if everyone sometimes may need a reminder of the words written down about what they stand for, how they are to behave…
Nah. I guess it’s enough that the words are written someplace. Never mind the actions of individuals.
Glad to hear you are up and running Phantom.
“I’ve been an ex-Catholic since Christmas of ‘89.
— Songbird
Fred hasn’t been to church since 1962.
“The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.” –
Get your hand out of your pocket, Max.
Parkay would say, maybe she’ll be blessed with another baby.
“Gosh, the police aren’t always there in time to save you?
Cops: Woman Raped in Wal-Mart Parking Lot With Baby in Car
Tuesday, April 08, 2008
A Florida woman was raped Tuesday in a Wal-Mart parking lot while her 1-year-old baby was in the car, MyFOXOrlando.com reported.
The man forced the woman into her car at gunpoint around 6 a.m. and made her drive behind store, before allegedly raping her and then fleeing with her credit cards, according to the report.
Number of Hurricanes Forecasted for 2008:
8?
Predicting a more active then normal numer of hurricanes. Still, the 2008 prediction of 15 Named storms is almost half of the 2007 prediction of 27 named storms.
Huh, more active, but less predicted then last year.
Revised Forecast Calls For 8 Hurricanes In 2008
Wednesday, April 09, 2008 12:39:59 PM
Dr. William Gray is revising his hurricane forecast, but he is still calling for a season that will be more active than average.
In the forecast released Wednesday, Gray called for a total of 15 named storms. He is predicting eight hurricanes will be spawned, and of those eight, four will be categorized as intense hurricanes — categories 3, 4 and 5.
Here’s how the forecast team has fared on their predictions for the past three seasons:
April 2005: They predicted 13 named storms. There were a record 28.
April 2006: The preseason forecast called for 17 named storms. There were 10 that year.
April 2007. They predicted 27 named storms. We ended up with 15 actually forming.
http://www.cfnews13.com/Weather/HurricaneCenter/2008/4/9/revised_predictions_call_for_8_hurricanes_in_2008.html
“The 16-year-old girl whose allegations triggered the massive raid against a polygamist compound gave a harrowing account of life inside the secretive outpost, where she was forced to have sex and was beaten regularly, according to court documents released Tuesday.”
The same girl who can’t be found? Whose anonymous testimony was grounds for a search warrant? The violations of civil rights in this case are beyond egregious. The next time your neighbor is pissed at you all he has to do is call the cops, give an imaginary name, and claim you are doing who knows what. Dangerous, dangerous, dangerous precedent, and just one more example about how hysteria over sex is being used to completely trash every right we have.
Wait, I thought global warming created more and more intense hurricanes due to the heat in the ocean. Since there hasn’t been a rise in temperatures since 1998, wouldn’t the number of hurricanes remain the same or decrease? Isn’t this the La Nina cycle?
Boys will be boys 2,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSaC4uY526U&NR=1
A theorist suggests that warmer oceans create more sheer, thus lessening hurricane effects, Sol. I know popular press blamed Katrina on global warming, but I doubt that the majority of climatologists did.
http://environment.newscientist.com/channel/earth/dn13226-hurricane-study-whips-up-a-storm-.html
“I thought global warming created…”
Sol, you did it again. It is “climate change” not “global warming”. You really need to make a pen and ink correction to your gobal warming manual.
Understanding the impact of these factors in the mutual interaction of hurricane-ocean is critical to more accurately forecasting intensity change in land-falling hurricanes. Use of hurricane heat content derived from the satellite radar altimeter measurements of sea surface height has been shown to improve intensity prediction.
ams.confex.com/ams/28Hurricanes/techprogram/paper_138570.htm
Increase in Major Hurricanes Linked to Warmer Seas
http://www.livescience.com/environment/050915_more_hurricanes.html
Does it matter that these sonsabitches are “protecting” the torch?. Chinese security coming to America? For real?
The West is dead, thanks to you two-partiers! Too drunk with your own self importance to see the important shit.
Thank goodness KU won though.
Sol - another interesting factor might be a strengthening of the “Bermuda High” due to a shift of ferrell-hadly boundary. This could impact the course of storms; making it more likely they will hit Central America and ledd likely Florida. This is also involved in the multi-year drought in the SE although this year that seems to have lessened slightly.
‘Gallup Daily: Obama Leads Clinton by 10 Points’
http://www.gallup.com/poll/106369/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-Points.aspx
“For the third consecutive day, Barack Obama holds a significant advantage over Hillary Clinton in national Democratic preferences for the Democratic presidential nomination, now 51% to 41%.”
Door King please your ignorange is only an act to make us think about ‘freedoms’ we might be losing.
Please tell me - darn that cast!
hi ksgrm - I can understand - typing is hard enough with both of my fingers to hunt/peck - one would be MUCH worse!
“Door King please your ignorange is only an act to make us think about ‘freedoms’ we might be losing.” ksgrm
ignorange = the fruit of stupidity. (I do it too.)
No, no, I’m a pervert. Really.
Here, this should get someone excited!
“Establishing Islam in Minnesota”
By Michelle Malkin • April 9, 2008 11:43 AM Investigative columnist Katharine Kersten at the Minneapolis Star Tribune has been digging into Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TIZA), a public charter school that’s fronting for the Muslim American Society. When she asked to visit the government-funded school, an official told her the schedule was too hectic to accommodate her because of statewide testing. When Kersten found out that testing wouldn’t begin for several weeks, the school refused to return her calls and e-mails. Fortunately, one teacher was willing to spill the beans:
TIZA’s executive director, Asad Zaman, is a Muslim imam, or religious leader, and its sponsor is an organization called Islamic Relief.
Students pray daily, the cafeteria serves halal food - permissible under Islamic law — and “Islamic Studies” is offered at the end of the school day.
Zaman maintains that TIZA is not a religious school. He declined, however, to allow me to visit the school to see for myself, “due to the hectic schedule for statewide testing.” But after I e-mailed him that the Minnesota Department of Education had told me that testing would not begin for several weeks, Zaman did not respond — even to urgent calls and e-mails seeking comment before my first column on TIZA.
Now, however, an eyewitness has stepped forward. Amanda Getz of Bloomington is a substitute teacher. She worked as a substitute in two fifth-grade classrooms at TIZA on Friday, March 14. Her experience suggests that school-sponsored religious activity plays an integral role at TIZA.
Arriving on a Friday, the Muslim holy day, she says she was told that the day’s schedule included a “school assembly” in the gym after lunch.
Before the assembly, she says she was told, her duties would include taking her fifth-grade students to the bathroom, four at a time, to perform “their ritual washing.”
Afterward, Getz said, “teachers led the kids into the gym, where a man dressed in white with a white cap, who had been at the school all day,” was preparing to lead prayer. Beside him, another man “was prostrating himself in prayer on a carpet as the students entered.”
“The prayer I saw was not voluntary,” Getz said. “The kids were corralled by adults and required to go to the assembly where prayer occurred.”
Where are the separation-of-church-and-state activists now?
TIZA’s operation as a public, taxpayer-funded school is troubling on several fronts. TIZA is skirting the law by operating what is essentially an Islamic school at taxpayer expense. The Department of Education has failed to provide the oversight necessary to catch these illegalities, and appears to lack the tools to do so. In addition, there’s a double standard at work here — if TIZA were a Christian school, it would likely be gone in a heartbeat.
TIZA is now being held up as a national model for a new kind of charter school. If it passes legal muster, Minnesota taxpayers may soon find themselves footing the bill for a separate system of education for Muslims.
I can see this one working out real well……….
“TALLAHASSEE, Florida - Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24033282/
“Ya’ won’t give me a raise, you $#%^& @#$& son of a @#$^!!!!!! Wait here, I gotta go to my car, I’ll be right back, you $@#!%^ %~!%^!!!!”
Gives a whole new meaning to the term “performance review.”
>No abortions for THESE good Christians: <
These people are neither Christians OR Mormons. They are a renegade group that denies their own religion and has been denounced by the LDS church.
Don’t get too excited Clark.
That Florida law allows you to leave your gun in your locked car while it’s in the parking lot of your employer.
The bill does not require employers to allow guns into a private workplace.
Many employers ban guns from their property, even their parking lots. That disarms all employees while they travel to/from work.
Employers have fired employees who keep guns locked in their cars!
So, if you are for protection of the working people from The Big Bad Corporations, this bill is for you!
TALLAHASSEE, Florida - Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.
The bill, allowing workers to keep guns in their cars for self-protection, was approved by the Florida Senate by a vote of 26-13. It now goes to Republican Gov. Charlie Crist to sign into law.
“Don’t get too excited Clark.”
I really could care less, Max, it doesn’t mean a damned thing to me. Shoot away. Shoot your boss. Shoot the guy in the next cubicle.
If you think that things get a bit hot on the Blog from time to time………………………
WS Clark,
You say you don’t care, yet everytime you waste no opportunity to show you do.
“You say you don’t care, yet everytime you waste no opportunity to show you do.”
Bullshit, Price, now you are just trolling.
I don’t care - buy a fuckin’ bazooka for all I care - just go away.
WS Clark,
You do care. Everytime you have a chance to completely distort any type of pro-gun measure you do.
The only troll here was you, when you made the comment you did to Max.
You go away.
You think real life face-to-face situations are more heated then anonymous words on a blog?
I’ve found just the opposite is true.
If we were all in the same room, I think we would be much more civil, though we would of course we would not all agree on everything - or anything.
Nathan,
I hear the price of tea in China just went up.
I don’t care about it, but I thought you should know. I really don’t care if you drink tea or not.
“The only troll here was you, when you made the comment you did to Max.”
Max and Price, I have seen perfectly rational people become very irrational in the workplace. I have had to have the police remove employees from the premises. I have seen seemingly normal human beings “drop the gloves” over alleged insults in the workplace. I have seen executives escorted from the plant because their announcement of a plant shutdown caused a near riot.
I had to call the police once to have a female employee removed from the office - a church going, mother of four.
My crime was that I accepted her resignation. She was convinced that I would beg her to stay and give her a raise.
She was wrong.
If ya’ want to take your guns to work, whatever, I don’t work in that environment anymore. I don’t care.
But rationality can turn to irrational behavior in a heartbeat.
“You think real life face-to-face situations are more heated then anonymous words on a blog?”
Damn, Max, I have had employees come over the desk at me when I laid off or fired them.
It happens, all the time.
One Man’s Opinion of George WMD Bush
“A moment I’ve been dreading. George brought his n’er-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida; the one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I’ll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they’ll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like
easy work.”
– From the Reagan Diaries. May 17, 1986.
Just fired someone last week for making threatening comments at work.
I was not able to carry a firearm per workplace policy, though I have a permit.
Had 3 other Supervisors and Managers around so 4 of us against one potentially violent employee to be fired. Had one security guard ready with his awesome can of mace waiting in the wings.
Got lucky this time. After 1 week, this guy is still calling in threats via phone and email.
I can only fire someone for brining a gun in the office IF I KNOW he/she has done this.
But I can never carry a gun for self-defense without risking my job.
And you are so dense Max aren’t you that you can’t understand why anyone would threaten you?
“But I can never carry a gun for self-defense without risking my job.”
So, what’s your point, Max? Guns IN the workplace should not be allowed because some folks just lose it.
The woman that I let go because I accepted her resignation threatened to have her 6′5″ 300# boyfriend take care of me. He was smarter than that, but I did have to park my Jeep in the rail bay for a week or so.
People, rational or otherwise, tend to get really worked up in the workplace when things go badly.
Sorry Monkey Hawk, that one has been exploded on Snopes. This isn’t the first time it’s been on here, but by all means, continue to post it. People will believe it because they know Bush.
“TALLAHASSEE, Florida - Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.”
The workplace violence act?
I can’t count the number of employees I’ve fired. Never anything more then shouting at each other.
Rarely is this something I like to do, but there were 3 or 4 times when I enjoyed it.
My point was Clark that people carry guns to work all the time - legally or not. Violating company policy or not. You just don’t know it, cause you don’t see it.
But those who could legally carry, and who choose not to break company policy, are disarmed.
Being in the office is no safer then being in a gun-free zone in the mall.
DK, I’ve been threatened many times. Death threats in the office and calls at home at all times of the day.
It’s that cold hard stare that keeps them at bay.
And when they call at home, I invite them over. For some reason, they never show up.
Oh, and DK. I can understand ‘why’.
I’m a mean SOB.
So what?
“Being in the office is no safer then being in a gun-free zone in the mall.”
So, Max……………… Fred the Forklift Driver works for Seth the Supervisor. Both can legally carry and do.
Seth fires Fred because Fred violates a zero tolerance safety policy. Fred is highly agitated because he has worked for the company for thirty years. Seth is equally agitated because his job is dependent on a good safety record.
Seth and Fred have words, many words and their argument gets more heated by the second.
Fred reaches for his gun………………
Don’t think it can happen? With the exception of the gun, I have seen it happen.
“legally or not.”
Yeah, Max, and I once had to fire a second shift forklift driver for spanking his monkey in the bay.
It was his second offense.
People do strange things in the workplace.
You mean Monkeyhawk would post something false? Color me shocked!
MH, you can’t trust those left wing websites! Gotta check ‘em out.
“Color me shocked!”
You mean like phony posts that Barack Obama is a secret Muslim?
You mean like that?
WS Clark,
For not caring, why do you conintue to post on the subject then?
The law doesn’t make it mandatory that EVERYONE carry their weapon IN the workplace.
The law would allow those who have a permit to carry concealed the ability to keep their weapons in their vehichle.
The law is aimed to allow those who have a permit to carry concealed the ability to do so to at least the parking lot.
Otherwise, those with permits would have to leave their weapons at home so that they wouldn’t be in violation of their workplace rules on weapons in the parking lot.
It is the same reason Kansas changed the law to only forbid concealed carry into buildings posted, not in the parking lot.
Those who carry concealed would never be able to if they could never leave their weapon in their vehicle to respect those who do not want weapons in their buildings.
“For not caring, why do you conintue to post on the subject then?”
Did I miss something? When was Nathan Price appointed the Chief of the Blog Police?
Do I need to e-mail you before I post to get your approval, Price?
Regular
Posted April 8, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink
Steven Davis
Posted April 8, 2008 at 6:21 pm | Permalink
“Sorry R.L. called, I don’t have the government sending me checks, nor do live off of my sister, so I had to leave. But, right on time James …..—————————————
Hmmm, and this adds to the discussion how?
Actually, I earned my government pension and I am the sole provider for my sister, ……”
Hmmm sounds a little strange — kind of like my movie about the Norman Bates motel —-
WS Clark,
You sound just like the typical “blood in the streets” crowd about every single law that helps people carry concealed.
We have yet to see all these wild west shootings, road rage, bar shoot outs, or sporting event shootings by anyone who carries concealed legally.
For someone who doesn’t care, yet claims to support gun rights, you sure do spout the same anti-gun emotional fear arguments the anti-gun crowd loves.
WS Clark,
I am pointing out your continued absurdity. Everytime you get pinned down in one of these discussions you always cry that you don’t really care.
Well, if you don’t really care why do you continue to post your same old anti-gun arguments then?
I don’t care if you post, just don’t whine about not caring when it is obvious you do.
“Those who carry concealed would never be able to if they could never leave their weapon in their vehicle to respect those who do not want weapons in their buildings.”
What respect Sea Monkey? — you’ve already said on previous blog sthat you regularly violate the desire of those who mdo not want weapons in their facilities - liquor stores, restaurants malls bars etc —- you’ve even gone so far as to say you were above the law when it comes to those issues …..
“Well, if you don’t really care why do you continue to post your same old anti-gun arguments then?”
What was my anti-gun post, Price? Do you want guns in the workplace? I was noting that the workplace is not a good place for weapons - tempers, in my experience, run very hot in the workplace, even among seemingly rational people.
“You sound just like the typical “blood in the streets” crowd about every single law that helps people carry concealed.”
Really? Copy and paste my “blood in the streets” post.
I think that YOU are funny, Price, you see guns as the solution to every problem. Go for it - get a freakin’ bazooka, a machine gun, a silencer and a sawed off shotgun. I do not care.
Get this through your increasingly thick head - I do not care.
When in doubt, read this - I do not care about and your little popguns.
Truth Truck driver Ronald Brock was illegally threatened with arrest and impoundment of his Truth Truck on Monday evening by Olathe Police Sgt. David Haldeman (Badge #751), and run out of town. Mr. Haldeman seems to think that accurate photos of mangled, dismembered, poisoned, and beheaded babies in abortion mills violate obscenity laws somehow.
These Truth Truck signs sometimes save a baby’s life. Will we allow a baby-hating Olathe cop or two to run First Amendment free speech out of town?
This could get ugly. Federal civil rights lawsuit, coming up.
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Internet search engine Google does not allow ads that combine the promotion of Christian and pro-life views, and is therefore being sued by the Christian Institute, Britain’s leading conservative Christian nonprofit organization.
This could get ugly.
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Lord Patel of Dunkeld, the chairman of the UK National Stem Cell Network and a chancellor at Dundee University, says embryonic stem cell research is simply not working. He conceded in an interview with the Scotsman newspaper that the controversial, unethical, and so far useless science may never deliver new treatments for diseases.
Well, Duhhh!
The tumors and immune syndrome rejection issues make ESCR too risky for human trials, and such problems may never be overcome. For 10 years now, scientists, academics, and leftist media have overly hyped a mythical potential for cures in order to sucker taxpayers into sinking millions, even billions, into doomed-to-failure ESCR projects, while ethical adult stem cell research, underrated and underreported, has continued producing dozens more cures and beneficial treatments for many thousands of people, with more soon coming from current human trials.
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Baby-hating pro-abortion Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich proclaimed Tuesday as Save Abandoned Babies Day, which is designed to encourage awareness for newborns’ rights and ensure their proper care. A standardized sign that will be posted on safe haven locations was unveiled as part of the celebration in 15 cities across the state.
A Chicago Fire Department captain created the sign that is used in five states, and two more states are considering its use. All 50 states have versions of a safe haven law.
These laws do not prevent the deaths of all newborns caused by abandonment or deliberate murder, so there is some concern that desperate mothers should be made aware of the laws and locations of safe haven locations through signs and ad campaigns.
On the other hand, publicizing harsh criminal penalties handed out for illegal abandonment, abuse, or murder of newborns might also be effective.
Yeah, Max, and I once had to fire a second shift forklift driver for spanking his monkey in the bay.
Was that covered in the personnel manual?
“Was that covered in the personnel manual?”
Yes.
I’m a mean SOB.
You left out lying and stupid.
How come we can’t comment on the individual who falsly claimed the purple heart (on the story page). Is it becuase the Eagle Beagle wants to shut down comments to certain stories. And how come we don’t see other stories about phony polititians, phony (and biased) newspapers, and phony police departments. There ought to be a law against it.
Has MCcain said she’s left that do open?
WS Clark,
Who said anything about guns in the workplace?
The issue is about allowing those with concealed carry permits the ability to leave their guns locked in their vehicles at work, not take them in with them.
But, yes, I do think those with concealed carry permits should be able to carry their weapons to work too.
Your “blood in the street” type argument is saying that simply because if we were to allow concealed carry permit holders the ability to carry in the workplace that somehow tempers might flare and they would shoot one another or someone would shoot someone.
That is the typical “blood in the street” type argument that all the anti-concealed carry people had before concealed carry was passed in Kansas and almost every other state as well.
Here we are…. where is the blood in the street? Where are the road rage shootings? Where are the sporting event shootings? Where are the drunken bar fight shootings?
The anti-concealed carry people had all those arguments just like you do about carrying in the work place.
Yes, harsh criminal penalties are needed in the murder of newborns. I would also ask, however, the following:
Should there not be harsh penalties for delinquent fathers and/or sex criminals? If my ex had been held accountable for the live birth of his first child (born in the summer of 1974), he likely wouldn’t have been possessed of enough spare time to prey on wandering, nubile idiots.
My god - I wouldn’t have called my younger self an idiot a year ago. Age, time and reflection do strange things to a woman, I guess.
But my point is this - and I believe it to be valid: We don’t hold fathers accountable - and that goes for all of us - pro choice or anti-choice.
Moreover, if my ex had been severely punished for his first sexual assault (not quite rape, but icky enough - the victim spoke to me about it years ago) - he might have grown into something approximating a human being.
And he might have escaped his cruel fate: permanent disability and constant pain…..and being compared by his most caustic ex to a character in “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” - the original, not the weird remakes.
I certainly support all measures enacted to aid desperate women and help them care for their newborns. I just believe - and have always believed - that too often the female assumes sole responsibility in these matters.
It takes two to create a new life - it should demand dual obligation.
“Who said anything about guns in the workplace?”
The article.
“But, yes, I do think those with concealed carry permits should be able to carry their weapons to work too.”
I am sure you do - but I pointed out several cases where it just might not be a good idea.
“Your “blood in the street” type argument is saying that simply because if we were to allow concealed carry permit holders the ability to carry in the workplace that somehow tempers might flare and they would shoot one another or someone would shoot someone.”
And pointed out several cases, where in my thirty year experience, where rational people have become irrational.
“Here we are…. where is the blood in the street? Where are the road rage shootings? Where are the sporting event shootings? Where are the drunken bar fight shootings?”
Copy and paste where I have posted ANYTHING even close to that or just STFU.
“The anti-concealed carry people had all those arguments just like you do about carrying in the work place.”
Having been a business manager or executive for many, many years, I stated my opinion that the workplace is not a place for weapons.
People do get out of control.
But please feel free to copy and paste my “blood in the streets” comments.
Go for it…………………..
But please, Price, show me where I have been anti-gun…….
WS Clark,
Try reading the article again. The law was in regards to allowing concealed carry permit holders the aiblity to leave their weapons in the vehicle.
The law didn’t allow them to carry into work.
Parkay, if you posted anything even remotely acurate from time to time, we might take you seriously.
DoorKing, the only civil rights being violated were those of the children and women in that compound. Leave it to you to advocate the sexual abuse and rape of girls.
“The law was in regards to allowing concealed carry permit holders the aiblity to leave their weapons in the vehicle.”
Yeah, I read it - I was the one that posted it - I really could care less - I was commenting on what happens within the workplace.
You seem to misunderstand that because I do not share your ENTHUSIASM for guns does not make me anti-gun.
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Are you enthusiastic about early Sixties Motown soul music?
Why do you hate black musicians?
Are you enthusiastic about Detroit Red Wings hockey?
Why do you hate hockey players?
Are you enthusiastic about Harley-Davidson motorcycles?
Why do you hate the oldest American motorcycle manufacturer?
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Rather silly, isn’t it?
Because I am not enthusiastic about guns does not make me a gun-hater.
It only means that I have other interests.
WS Clark,
It is not your lack of enthusiasm. It is your abduntant posting against anything related to types of guns or concealed carry as being absurd or not needed or wrong or that you don’t agree with it…etc.
What you are enthusiastic about is posting basically against things pro-gun.
So tell me then, do you support allowing concealed carry permit holders to be allowed to leave their weapons in their vehicles on work property?
“So tell me then, do you support allowing concealed carry permit holders to be allowed to leave their weapons in their vehicles on work property?”
Learn to read, Price, I said I don’t care.
“What you are enthusiastic about is posting basically against things pro-gun.”
Bullshit.
Would you like to discuss the latest offering from H-D? How about Levi Stubbs? The Wings chances after having won the President’s Cup?
What I am not enthusiastic about is this debate - it is meaningless - I don’t care.
Read that several more times, Price.
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
I don’t care.
For Price, who seems to be unable to read…..
“I really could care less, Max, it doesn’t mean a damned thing to me”
3:25 PM.
Jesus Nathan
You sound about your damned gun like me or any smoker who accidentally forgets his cigarettes!
Any realization that you would be separated even for a moment from your gun and ya get jittery.
WS Clark,
If you care so little then why did you start by posting this:
WSClark
Posted April 9, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink
I can see this one working out real well……….
“TALLAHASSEE, Florida - Most Florida residents would be allowed to take guns to work under a measure passed by Florida lawmakers on Wednesday.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24033282/
“Ya’ won’t give me a raise, you $#%^& @#$& son of a @#$^!!!!!! Wait here, I gotta go to my car, I’ll be right back, you $@#!%^ %~!%^!!!!”
Gives a whole new meaning to the term “performance review.”
I wasn’t aware that one could be fined or imprisoned for falsely claiming a purple heart. Thought it sounded kind of crazy prosecuting someone for that.
“If you care so little then why did you start by posting this”
Oh, let’s see Price……………….
Cuz’ I secretly hate guns and all gun owners.
Cuz’ I secretly want to see all guns taken away from legitimate gun owners and given to criminals.
Cus’ I secretly want all guns banned and CCP holders to be thrown in prison where they are to be tortured by being forced to watch reruns of George WMD Bush’s “Mission Accomplished” speech 24/7.
Or……………………………..
Given my experience in business, I don’t think that it is a great idea, BUT I REALLY COULD CARE LESS because I am not longer working in that field.
Take your pick, Price.
WS Clark,
So which is it:
Do you not care or do you think it isn’t a good idea?
“Do you not care or do you think it isn’t a good idea?”
Both, idiot. It is completely possible to think that something is not a good idea, but not care also.
I don’t think that it is a good idea that Jena Bush is getting married and could possibly reproduce, but I REALLY DON”T CARE.
I don’t think that is a good idea that the NKOTB are recording a new album and going on tour, but I REALLY DON’T CARE.
Damn, you are even more thickheaded today than usual, Price.
The workplace is not a place for weapons?
Ok, do you have metal detectors at the door?
If not, then you have no friggin idea what is in the workplace now!
The FLORIDA law, AGAIN, does not mandate weapons in the workplace. It simply allows those who have CC permits to leave their weapon in their locked car, in their employers parking lot.
Why the scare tactics Clark?
And to Bill and Ted and their excellent adventure - DNFTT.
Say Nathan, remember that Clark is supporting OBAMA. Clark does not then, support the 2nd Amendment.
That’s all you have to know about Clark. He will vote D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T regardless of the positions of the candidate.
SO - Clark cannot allow any 2nd Amendment supporters to post their views on this blog!
ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS CLINTON OR OBAMA - DOES NOT SUPPORT THE 2ND AMENDMENT! PERIOD!
“Why the scare tactics Clark?”
What scare tactics, Max, relating my experiences in business?
“The workplace is not a place for weapons?”
What percentage of businesses do you think would allow their employees to carry guns, Max? 10%? 5%?
“If not, then you have no friggin idea what is in the workplace now!”
Nearly all companies have strict rules about weapons in the workplace - for most, it is instant termination.
“The FLORIDA law, AGAIN, does not mandate weapons in the workplace. It simply allows those who have CC permits to leave their weapon in their locked car, in their employers parking lot.”
Well, no freakin’ shit, Max. I read the article before I posted it.
Damn.
“Clark does not then, support the 2nd Amendment.”
Bullshit, Max, that is just more effluence from the right wing.
Get it through your thick head, Max and Price…..
I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR LITTLE POPGUNS - THERE ARE MANY, MANY ISSUES THAT FACE THIS COUNTRY THAT ARE MORE IMPORTANT.
Dumbass.
“DoorKing, the only civil rights being violated were those of the children and women in that compound. Leave it to you to advocate the sexual abuse and rape of girls.” — p.m.
The search warrant was obtained through an anonymous tip. There is no proof that the girl even exists. No one bothered to find out before the warrant was executed. Do you deny that? The 4th Amendment is basis of the privacy which you claim is so precious to women in abortion issues. Do you wish to see it completely gutted because an anonymous teenager cries on a cell phone?
So, Max do YOU support this amendment?
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
Do you agree with the separation of church and state, or do you believe that the Ten Commandments can be posted in City Hall?
Ill take the 5 commandments for 50
“Do not murder”
“Do not commit adultery.”
“Do not steal.”
“Do not bear false witness against your neighbor”
.
“Do not covet your neighbor’s wife”
Because this girl was in immediate danger.
If someone in wichita called police, and said she was being beaten, they wouldn’t wait for a search warrant, they’d bust the door down to get to them to save them.
The authorities have known for years what is going on there, and they needed just this kind of thing to allow them to get in there and save the women and children being abused.
Leave it to you to ignore the pleas of someone being abused. what about HER civil rights?
Once they got in there, seeing dozens of pregnant teens was enough to remove them all.
That’s so true W.S. Clark. The only right these assholes have any respect for is the second. That’s why their defense of the Constitution is so laughable.
I’ll bet every one of these gun nuts is all for preventing Phelps from demonstrating at funerals, is all for amending the Constitution to define marriage or prevent burning the flag. I doubt if any of them can even recognized the myriad ways in which Bush has violated the Constitution.
If in order to pack a firearm one had to pass the same psychological profile as a federal agent, none of them would be granted permission. What they write on these blogs alone would automatically disqualify them.
I have no objection to well-trained stable individuals packing a concealed weapon. It’s a wash. They’ll prevent a few crimes, and a few will shoot themselves in the groin and bleed to death.
But it’s obvious that Max is just dying for the day that he gets to blow someone away. Someone like that should never carry a weapon.
Anyway, Max is just a figment I suspect. I don’t think he’s a foreman of anything because if he acts at work like he does in here, his underlings would have beaten him to death years ago. No one is afraid of him in real life, I wager, and in the end, he’s just another fear-filled, pot-bellied sack of poop, maybe working in the Post Office, if we works at all. Most likely, he’s on Social Security or disability. Which explains his hatred of all social programs.
Max is a Hell’s Angel without a Harley. All hat. No cattle.
Max believes that Jesus held dinosaurs in his lap and petted them!
Right “no credibility at all” Max?
He probably lives in his mom’s basement.
Because this girl was in immediate danger. — p.m.
Except the girl doesn’t exist.
If someone in wichita called police, and said she was being beaten, they wouldn’t wait for a search warrant, they’d bust the door down to get to them to save them. — p.m.
No they knock on the door. If they have evidence something is going on, they can enter. That is if they hear shouts or screams. They investigate. They don’t break down the door. They knock. They question whoever answers.
Once they got in there, seeing dozens of pregnant teens was enough to remove them all. — p.m.
So what, the world is filled with pregnant teens. That doesn’t mean a thing. There are probably as many pregnant teens on your block as were in the compound.
The authorities have known for years what is going on there, and they needed just this kind of thing to allow them to get in there and save the women and children being abused — p.m.
If they knew what was going on, why didn’t they stop it years ago? The church kicks out it’s young men. They’ve been interviewed on national televison. They could have built a case that way. With real witnesses, who had real names. Women have left the church. They’ve told their stories.
Here’s my guess. A few leaders will be charged with something or another. Eventually those familes will get together because they want to be together. The church will reconstitute, and every thing will go on as before. A few people will leave the chuch no doubt, and sell their stories to the National Enquirer.
This is not the first time this has happened, you know. The church was raided in the fifies, and the women were forcibly removed. Some of the granddaughters of those same women were removed this time. For the most part I suspect those women WANT to live that way.
It’s the hysteria again.
Where’s the girl? Where is she, p.m.?
“So what, the world is filled with pregnant teens. That doesn’t mean a thing.”
I think you are wrong on this one. I think in TX a pregnant 12-year old is a crime.
But I think you are right on “Where’s the girl?”. Without her the 12-year old does does not exist in court.
I wasn’t aware one of the girls was 12.
Who knows what they’ve done with the girl. And you’re retarded if you think that the police would politely knock on the door if someone called during an abuse. Do they casually walk into a bank and ask where the party is when there is a report of a bank robbery?
Just because they cannot find the girl does not mean she does not exist. She knew things about the inside that only someone on the inside could have known. If we’re lucky, we won’t find her in a grave.
As for the man, they’ve already said they think they have the wrong guy, that someone else might have his same name.
I don’t care if the women want to live that way, they’re more than welcome. But if they’re going to give their children up to be raped, then they should give up their children at birth and not be allowed contact, and they should be charged if their children are sexually abused should she choose to stay.
Have you heard some of these reports? Being FORCED to have sex in front of members of the church on a bed designed for that purpose after marriage? As a testament to the procreation of their perfect race to the Lord?
THEY WATCH THESE GIRLS GETTING RAPED IN THE TEMPLE.
This certainly should have its own thread tomorrow, if not be the topic for an editorial piece!
It shows that the interrogation was not only sanctioned but orchestrated by the bush administration. They should all be charged with war crimes.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=4583256&page=1
I agree this merits a thread.
From Phantom’s link:
“Critics at home and abroad have harshly criticized the interrogation program, which pushed the limits of international law and, they say, condoned torture. Bush and his top aides have consistently defended the program. They say it is legal and did not constitute torture.”snip
“But this is the first time sources have disclosed that a handful of the most senior advisers in the White House explicitly approved the details of the program. According to multiple sources, it was members of the Principals Committee that not only discussed specific plans and specific interrogation methods, but approved them.”
Further exploration and thread please.
Sounds like they had (have) their onw version of “The Star Chamber”.
It really does Phantom.
Consider:
None of the “Principals” are running for higher office. bush gets “plausible deniability”.
And the “Prinipals Committee” gets to be the “Star Chamber”.
and the Libs learn a new catch word, “Principals”. Yeah, I watch and read the news too. How many times will the new word be used in the next day I wonder?
The conservative are still working on learning a new phrase - fiscal responsibility.
The meaning has slipped their minds for a generation now. Do you think that they will learn it before they borrow the US into bankruptcy?
True Conservatives know the meaning Clark, however there are very few in politics and none as a choice for Pres. This will be another “shitty end of the stick” choice for us.
“This will be another “shitty end of the stick” choice for us.”
Perhaps you should be looking somewhere else for your sticks.
ha ha! Well Clark…the other 2 choices are just shit….with no stick!
“ha ha! Well Clark…the other 2 choices are just shit….with no stick!”
Ya’ mean John and Hillary?
No, Obama & Hillary…..Doesn’t really matter though, John(R) should be John(R/D^2)
Too bad none of the Principals had any Principles!
This is what happens when you let Worst. President. Ever. run a war:
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4618275&page=1
Military Mom Says She Was Brutally Raped in Iraq
Dawn Leamon, Who Alleges She Was Raped by Two Men, Told Her Story on Capitol Hill
By MADDY SAUER
April 9, 2008—
Yet another woman has come forward saying she was brutally raped in Iraq while working for the U.S. contractor Kellogg Brown Root (KBR).
Dawn Leamon, who has two sons on active duty, says she was raped earlier this year by a U.S. soldier and a KBR colleague.
She will tell her horrific story to members of Congress today at a hearing of the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.
Leamon says that following her rape, she spoke with a woman at the KBR Employee Assistance Program. “She discouraged me from reporting, saying, ‘You know what will happen if you do,’” Leamon said.
Leamon says KBR then assigned full-time security guards to her which gave her no privacy to talk about the incident, and her movements around camp were restricted, yet her attackers’ movements were unrestricted.
“KBR did little or nothing to restore my sense of safety after I reported being raped,” said Leamon.
KBR release a statement today saying, “Ms. Leamon’s allegations are currently under investigation by the appropriate law enforcement authorities. Therefore, KBR cannot comment on specifics of the allegations or investigation. The safety and security of all employees remains KBR’s top priority. Any allegation of sexual harassment or assault is taken seriously and investigated thoroughly. As such, Ms. Leamon’s allegations have been referred to law enforcement authorities and are being investigated accordingly.”
Also at today’s hearing, for the first time the Department of Justice is slated to answer questions on the investigation and prosecution of alleged sex crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan. No one has yet been charged in Leamon’s case.