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Fair and Balanced — not this guy

One of the male anchors on Fox News (Ch 27 in Mlvne) is wearing a big Jayhawk sticker on his Brooks Brothers —– check it out (now 735) …… maybe not fair and balanced —- but certianly apropos …..

Go Jayhawks

Pakistan and Russia held their elections on time but USD259 wants to delay the bond election to “educate” the public?

The bond election HAD to be held in May to save money and get the building started. Now a delay doesn’t matter. Was the administration lying then, or are they lying now?

http://www.wichita259truth.blogspot.com/

Yeah, she even lied about not being a “stand by your man” kinda woman.

GO TIGERS!

May-um-phus is gonna stomp a mudhole in you Jaywalkers, ah tell yew whuuuuuuuuuut.

Republicans are far from above lying, but it seems Hillary lies when the truth would serve her better. She lies about really dumb stuff.

Soldevvb & Mary,Leave Hillary alone and talk about that Obama. He is the one we have to watch out for. We dont need that Obama to run our country. Why don’t they check Obama & Michelle’s taxes.

Stanford looked GREAT! Of course, ya just can never count out Tennessee. I think the battle of Candice and Candace will be great. I just hope Candace has time to heal up a little bit. She was clearly in pain last night.

And I STILL dont know WTF was up with LSU last night. Intimidated? Just because Pat Summit is known to eat dynamite and poop firecrackers?

heheheheheheheheeheheheheheheeheh!

The evolution of the internet. Goodies yet to come and ‘The Grid’.

http://www.internet2.edu/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html

Security officials extinguished the Olympic torch three times Monday as protests against China’s human rights record turned a relay through Paris into a chaotic series of stops and starts.

Despite massive security, at least two activists got within almost an arm’s length of the flame before they were grabbed by police. Officers tackled many protesters and carried off some of them. A protester threw water at the torch but failed to extinguish it and was also taken away.

At the start of the relay, a man identified as a Green Party activist was grabbed by security officers as he headed for 1997 400-meter world champion Stephane Diagana, the president of France’s national athletics league, who was carrying the torch from the first floor of the Eiffel Tower. The man was tackled before he got close to Diagana.

The procession continued but, soon after, a crowd of activists waving Tibetan flags interrupted it for the first time by confronting the torchbearer on a road along the Seine River. The demonstrators did not appear to get close to the torch, but its flame was put out by security officers and brought on board a bus to continue along the route.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Officials_put_out_Olympic_torch_3_t_04072008.html

The Senator from Illinos, Barak Hussein Obama, the not so reformed Muslim

“On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

In an interview with Nicholas Kristof, published in The New York Times, Obama recited the Muslim call to prayer, the Adhan, “with a first-class [Arabic] accent.”
The opening lines of the Adhan (Azaan) is the Shahada:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet….”

According to Islamic scholars, reciting the Shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith, makes one a Muslim. This simple yet profound statement expresses a Muslim’s complete acceptance of, and total commitment to, the message of Islam. Obama chanted it with pride and finesse.”

On Feb 15/08, Usama K. Dakdok, President of The Straight Way of Grace Ministry called Obama’s Church and reported the following conversation: ” I then asked the person who answered what I needed to do to join. She told me that I needed to attend two Sunday School classes in a row and then I would walk the aisle. I replied, “That sounds easy. One last question please. If I am Muslim and I believe in the Prophet Mohammed, peace be unto him and I also believe in Jesus, peace be unto him, do I have to give up my Islamic faith to be a member in your church? She answered: “No, we have many Muslim members in our church.”

In Kenya while he was a Senator, Obama stumped for his cousin, opposition leader Raila Odinga, the son of Senior’s sister, a direct first cousin and nephew of Obama’s father.
On August 29, 2007, Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya signed a Memorandum of Understanding in which it pledges the support of Kenyan Moslems for Raila’s election. In return, as President of Kenya, Raila agrees … within 6 months re-write the Constitution of Kenya to recognize Shariah as the only true law sanctioned by the Holy Quran for Muslim declared regions [and] within one year to facilitate the establishment of a Shariah court in every Kenyan divisional headquarters — everywhere in Kenya, not just in “Muslim declared regions” — and to popularize Islam, the only true religion … by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes.”

Amiris, now the manager of Bank Mandiri, Jakarta, recently said, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam. His birth father, Barack Hussein Obama was a Muslim economist from Kenya. Before marrying Ann Dunham, Hussein Obama was married to a woman from Kenya who had seven children. All the relatives of Barry’s father were very devout Muslims”

Emirsyah Satar, CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ’sarong’, at that time.”

“He was quite religious in Islam but only after marrying Michelle, he changed his religion.”
So Obama, according to his classmates and friends was a Muslim until the confluence of love and ambition caused him to adopt the cloak of Christianity: to marry Michelle and to run for President of the United States,”

Three years later, in 1971, Obama enrolled in the Besuki Primary School, a government school, as Barry Soetoro, Muslim. In third grade, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled ‘I Want To Be a President.’ His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga “asked her class to write an essay titled ‘My dream: What I want to be in the future.’ Senator Obama wrote ‘I want to be a President,’ she said.” [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]

accumulated research from primary sources who knew Obama from his childhood indicate that he was a devout Muslim, the son of a devout Muslim, the step-son of a devout Muslim and the grandson and namesake (”Hussein”) of a devout Muslim. He was registered in school as a Muslim and demonstrated his ability to chant praise to Allah in impressive Arab-accented tones even as an adult. Just as he has not disavowed his “uncle” Jeremiah, neither has he disavowed his Muslim faith that he was born into, raised with, celebrated and never abandoned. He just covered it over with a thin veneer of his own self-styled “Christianity.”

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Koran and describes the public school as “a Muslim school.”

NCLB, No Child Left Behind. What is that? It isn’t enough that’s for sure.

We need NALB, No Adult Left Behind! We need a safety net for those who need it. A safety net that is not set at the lowest level of poverty, but one that is set at a level that is decent for a normal human being. A level that allows a family to be raised in a home, not a shack. A level that allows a family to eat, and get health care. A level that ensures we have good schools for our kids.

We need jobs for those who can work, and a helping hand from government to make sure all the people in this great land of opportunity get just that – opportunity. Not an opportunity for poverty level help, but an opportunity to live with a sense of pride at a level that all Americans should expect to be.

For those who are trying real hard, and getting beat down by the man every day, the government should be there to help.

CapnAmerica, (Mr Christian Sunday School teacher)

I suppose you see no conflict in saying this:

“Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet….”

and then calling yourself a Christian?

Reciting it doesn’t mean that one agrees with it.

It’s just like when you say the Pledge of Allegiance, Nathan.

“with liberty and justice for all.”

You say it not because it’s true, but because someone believes that it’s true.

Cap’N,

Indeed. I don’t recall GMC70 ever commenting on the obvious railroading of Governor Siegelman. I do recall him repeatedly denying there was anything untoward in the Bush’s Justice Department’s use of political prosecutions.

Given his unwavering apologetics and “nothing to see here” in the face of clearly malicious and poltical prosecutions, I would like to know whether GMC70 is a member of the Federalist Society

Your kinky mind is revealing itself yet again, Reggie.

I’m thinking that caning is what you CONs are really into . . .

Obama Cover Up shovel is working fast and furious – First Reverend Wright – Now ties to a Real Estate Scandal”

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) — “Indicted real estate developer and political fundraiser Tony Rezko, whose links to Sen. Barack Obama have brought his name into the national spotlight, was arrested Monday morning, an FBI spokesman said.

Rezko was taken into custody by the FBI at his Wilmette, Illinois, home just outside Chicago following a government motion to revoke his bond, said FBI spokesman Tom Simon.

Rezko — whom Sen. Hillary Clinton referred to in a debate as having run a “slum landlord business” — has pleaded not guilty to federal charges of conspiracy, influence peddling and demanding kickbacks from companies seeking Illinois state business.

Obama, speaking Sunday to ABC’s “This Week,” described Rezko as “a friend of mine, a supporter, who I’ve known for 20 years.”

Rezko has contributed to the campaigns of numerous Democrats, including Obama — though the Illinois senator has vowed to give up all funds connected to Rezko. Obama said in a debate that as an attorney he did just about five hours of work for a Rezko project.

Shortly after his election to the U.S. Senate, Obama bought a house for $300,000 below the asking price. The same day, Rezko’s wife bought the lot next door for full price. Months later, Obama bought a sliver of the Rezko land to expand his yard.

As a state senator, Obama wrote letters supporting some Rezko deals.”

CapnAmerica,

If you don’t understand the obvious difference in what Muslims believe to be god and what Christians to believe to be God then you have some serious things to work on Mr Sunday School teacher.

What do you teach in Sunday school?

Same God Nathan. You can deny it if you want, but that doesn’t make it factual.

It’s all the same “god,” “Nathan” –

And you’re not Him.

I believe in God, my own version not yours. I can quote the bible correctly, it depends on your version.

And yep, they stem from the same source. Even have identical stories in them.

Yeah Nathan, it depends on which version of which Bible you use.

The Cliff Notes version is much different then King James.

Chas,

We already know that you think everyones version of god is the same and that there is no one true God.

Nathan
Posted April 7, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink
Chas,

We already know that you think everyones version of god is the same and that there is no one true God.
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You start the week off with your same friggin LIES — Does your Christianity allow for lying about people you dont agree with???

Chas,

If I am lying then answer my very simple questions about what you do believe.

Based on your refusal to answer, your obvious side stepping, and the things you say here, I am left with no other conclusion.

“I read the Bible for “facts” on my religion”
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That says it all, doesn’t it?

Where is SONGBIRD??????

I wish she’d start singin’ and chime in here. Could be the smackdown of the century, all eight years of it!

“Nathan” –

If there is, in fact, only “…one true God…” there’s no way any mere human (even one who uses a different word for “god”) is gonna change that.

Ah, but you feel compelled to speak up for God because somehow the “…one true God,” can’t handle it on His own?

Lucky for God you have His back, “Nathan.” Without “Nathan,” God couldn’t possibly survive, could he?

And NO, Hillary has NOT released her 2007 tax returns yet!

In fact, she filed an extension so that they won’t have to be released before the election in November!

Chas,

Well? Why can’t you say it if I’m a liar?

Linda,

At least I have something to base my faith on. What does Political Mama base hers on?

Just a simple ??. Why is it so important that several people on this blog have to jump on Nathan about his faith? He has challenged Chas on the basis of his faith because Chas keeps demeaning Nathan’s faith. Why do the rest (P-mom, Linda, etc..) think that you need to defend Chas?

I say let Chas defend his own position and the blog won’t go into meltdown because of the flame throwers.

Linda if Nathan believes that there is one true God (as I do also) why does he have to accept anyone elses belief and let go of his own.

Tolerance is a double edged sword. It has to be on both sides or it is indeed judgemental. When Chas stops injecting his credentials and faith then Nathan should back up and say Ok we agree to disagree. But it has to be between them and not the entire blog.

Linda not casting stones sorry if it came across that way but when others get in their arguments it just escalates.

Lindainks55
Posted April 7, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink
“I read the Bible for “facts” on my religion”
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That says it all, doesn’t it?

“ksgrm” asks –

“Why is it so important that several people on this blog have to jump on ‘Nathan’ about his faith?”

Probably because “Nathan” is particulaly eager to jump on others’ spiritual journey.

If there’s anything at all to fundamentalists’ talking about their “personal relationship with Jesus,” it supposed to be, y’know, personal, isn’t it?

I really don’t care what “Nathan” thinks he’s saved from or save for or how he got that way… until “Nathan” starts strutting around as if he, “Nathan,” has somehow come upon THE “Truth” and all others are somehow less than he.

MH if Chas says something that is patently false Nathan has the right to challenge him on it. By the way Chas posts erronious ‘facts’ on here daily and probably needs to be challenged more often on many subjects. That is part of blogging. It’s the mob mentality on here that gets to me.

Does Chas ever say anything that is true?

Take the lie about Hillary Clinton releasing her 2007 tax return, for example.

Chas went on and on about that, go read CNN, etc…

When in fact, Hillary’s own web site stated that she was filing an extension for 2007. Thus, no 2007 tax return can be released.

Naw Max, usually played half court during lunch – so just had to take it “back out.” My “dribble skills were never that good to run full court against another team. :D

I had pretty good leaping ability for a white guy.

From a flat footed jump I could touch 10 foot 9 inches (9 inches above the rim.)

oops, long arms too – could grab the bottom of the net and squeeze it closed, standing flat-footed on the ground.

Standing on the Golden Gate bridge, I discovered that not only is San Francisco bay cold, it’s deep too!

If CNN said so, it must be true!

ROFLMAO!

Christians in Palestine pray to Allah – the God of Abraham. Christians in Spain pray to Dios – that same God. Those are words that mean God in Arabic and Spanish.

In the Quran Jesus is named as a Prophet. So, it would seem to me that the biggest difference between Christianity and the other two Abrahaimic religions is the Christian belief that Jesus was THE Son of God; not the identity of God Himself.

Nathan – “Christians believe that Jesus was divine, not simply a prophet.” That is what I said (THE Son).

Nathan, In no way did you say you base your FAITH on the Bible in the post I commented on.

You said, “I read the Bible for “facts” on my religion.”

And why do I interject myself? That’s an excellent question. One I thank you very much for asking!

I would think whatever name is used there isn’t anyone who spends time in worship, witness, prayer, study of the entity they don’t consider and believe to be the one true God.

But then, humanity surprises me sometimes so there could be someone who knows for a fact they are spending their time worshiping a false God but do it anyway.

BTW, MAX The other day when Hillary released all of those other years… They also released what they said was a projection of the 2007 return…

Now, WHERE did I lie???

Nathan – all three of the Abrahaimic religions claim to pray to the God of Abraham. Since Jews also do not accept Jesus as devine does that mean that Jews also do not pray to the same God?

So many apologists for the religion of Islam.

Perhaps some are hoping for “40 virgins.” :)

I have a hard time consigning my Jewish friends to Hell simply because they do not accept Christ. I guess others, like the followers of Hagee, have no problems with that.

Chas. are you saying that you did not say (several times” her 2007 returns were released.

Furthermore, Max, you flaming is totally irrelevant either way!! Extensions of IRS filings are a routine matter…. So, WTF is your big deal?? Ahh yes, you just want to be noticed, and want everybody to think you are posting something earth shaking!!

I see Nathan cannot prove I said there is not one true God… Which is true…

Nathan, asd PMama so rightly says it, you really must learn to accept that others have differing beliefs, but nobody is asking you to give up yours… Yours is not the only belief…

When you can prove I said there is not one true God… Then perhaps, we can discuss it… But you really must stop lying about what I believe first!!

You know, like Max said – Be Civil!!

“the Christian belief that Jesus was THE Son of God; not the identity of God Himself.”

Get’s real hairy that one. When Jesus was crucified and dead for three days and nights (got up Monday morning for coffee), was God dead?

That whole trinity thing is bogus. Not in the actual texts.

And Christians are NOT all in agreement on this one either.

Like did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? And along comes those who have opinions yes or no. Hence the Church of the Navel.

Christians have divisions in the beliefs just like those of Muslims.

Hard to put a single label on the entire sect.

And that great picture of Jesus with the wavy flowing hair and beard. White guy. Probably one of the most wide spread photo’s on earth?

In the photo he even lacks a jewish nose.

And then that lost tribe found in Africa.

So Jesus is a black man.

And another church is formed.

Allah, Yahwey, God same meaning, different languages. Muslims along with Christians and Jews revere the prophets of the Old Testament and worship the same God. Muslims revere Christ as a prophet along with Mohammed but do not worship them. Those who suggest there is more than one God (ie.,you don’t worship my God) are bordering on heresy for indicating there is more than one God. All of which firms up my reasons to be an agnostic.

“And that great picture of Jesus with the wavy flowing hair and beard.”

As a Palestinian Jew, Jesus most likely looked like a young Yasar Arafat.

Reference for the Trinity:

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26

If there is a heaven and a hell, I feel God is fair enough that if you believe but act like you don’t, you’ll go to hell; if you don’t believe and you act like you do, you’ll end up in heaven anyway. You just KNOW God has a special place in hell for the religiously hypocritical.

Nathan – I don’t pretend to know the full nature of God. I also do not believe that any mortal man does. This includes those imperfect mortal men who have written their descriptions of what they think God is.

God did not write the various Books that make up the arbitrary collection you call the Bible.

Trinity was a great action movie, a really cool place to watch in July of 1945, and a beautiful county in California.

Nothing much else.

“You just KNOW God has a special place”

Is that one of those “faith” things fish?
Or is this more from the Book of Ghotiphaze.

No respecter of persons…..

Ben,

In one sentence you claim you don’t pretend to know the nature of God, but in another you know enough to be able to say that Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same one.

In one sentence you seem to know how God revealed himself to us and in the other you you don’t pretend to know the nature of God.

So which is it Ben? If you don’t know the nature of God and can’t answer questions, what then is it that drives you to get involved in a conversation with me on it while making statements on what you consider the nature of God to be?

I have never said God did write the Bible. I believe that those writers were divinely inspired by God to do so though.

Where is hell? I’ll tell you where Hades is, young man.

Hell is something akin to what a wise priest once said (during my confirmation classes in 1976, actually): “Hell is a place of eternal boredom.”

Actually, I’d add to that s–t the following: Hell is having a major depressive illness and being prescribed too low (or too high) of a dosage of one’s life-saving medication.

Perhaps that’s why the fundamentalists’ dire warnings about hell-fie-yah don’t scare me into abject submission. I’ve endured something akin to what Kurt Cobain complained of before he offed himself in 1994: When you’re on this particular med – and ya ain’t got no feelin’s – positive or negative – and you’re just sorta mordant all over – it’s sort of a thanatic existence.

That is what hell is. And I hope you don’t ever go there.

“And I was thinking John Lennon.”

But could Jesus do a rocking cover of “Twist and Shout?”

You have twist and shout by the beatles on epic label? Man!!! My copy got watergated!

I converted to Catholicism in 1976 (at age 18). When everyone else in my freshman (college) class was doing the “Dirty Lowdown” (with or without Boz Skaggs playing in the background) – I was committing myself to one of the strictest religious factions on the face of the earth.

Actually, I have fond memories of Father Moriarty, the priest who confirmed my brother and me. (We both left the church 13 years later, by the way.) He was a sprightly Irish leprechaun who cracked jokes, made it clear he’d had a drink or two during his long life, and disdained the hysteria of so many televangelists. (”I don’t act like that when I’m sober,” he deadpanned one evening.)

Father died in 1989, months before both my sibling and I broke away from the Roman Church. But his remark about hell has stayed with me through the years. At 18, I didn’t know what he meant.

I do now as an old broad.

You know that does bring up another point. How come we know what Egyptians looked like, we know what the Romans looked like, long before Jesus’s time, but this powerful man there was not ONE image of him drawn, sketched, anywhere?

I agree, Nathan would probably shoot the guy who looked like Jesus.

As far as hell, I was always taught in my whacko fundy religion that Hell was translated incorrectly in the bible and that it just meant the grave.

Songbird, I was just placing you about 2 years or so behind me in school. As I was confirmed in 64, I thought it was a typo. BTW, did your brother graduate in 72? Just curious, don’t answer if you’d rather not.

Political_mama,
We know what Jesus looked like. He was a blue eyed, blond haired Aryan with pale white skin. You know, like your typical Arabic Jew looks like today.

Aryans come from the pakistan/india area–they can’t be white!

Someone should have told me never to store old LP’s flat. Still have my classics, all warped and scratched. On my highly sensitive record player, they sound awful.

Why am I keeping them? Something won’t let me discard them. (and someone mentioned 45’s, those went out long ago).

No. Me too. I mean, I THREW mine out long ago….
Old, broken up, warped, wet, scratched (mostly by me as a kid skipping the needle back to the good parts).

And how many of you also scratched an album trying to hear “Turn me on, dead man” on Revolution Number Nine? Helter Skelter type stuff.

American Way,

So you believe that Jesus is Lord, just not Divine?

Ben,

So it is not your opinion that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God?

my 8 tracks were so old and worn you could hear the track above and below while listening to the middle.

ghotiphaze, I still have an ancient cassette with the original bootlegged version of “Let It Be” before Spector got a hold of it and added strings and choirs.

It was called “Get Back” and it sounded far better than the over produced version that Phil cranked out.

Good stuff.

True, WSC, the technology may have “sucked”, but the 8 track was a lot better than trying to set up a record player (on purpose use of the term) on the tranny hump, etc., to hear something other than being played on the AM “Top 40″ station. A buddy of mine tried to set up a “record player” (he’d seen pictures of some custom car type with one) and never had too much success. Not to mention the skipping on the record as a bump was encountered….

And who can forget the extraction of the seeming miles of tape when an 8 track cassette went south? Ah, the not-so-good old days…

“Ben,

So it is not your opinion that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God?”

You are wrong. I believe that they are worshipping the God of Abraham. Just that they, like you, have different understandings of His nature. ALL are imperfect and incomplete. NONE is complete or perfect. ALL claim to rely upon “inspired” writings and many share common writings. But NONE have original manuscripts.

On the other topic – I have a long version of ‘Get Ready” – an enire album side. In good shape.

Nathan
Posted April 7, 2008 at 2:01 pm | Permalink
Ben,

So it is not your opinion that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God?
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NATHAN — Clean your glasses/contacts/eyeballs… Ben never said such a thing!! Intentional Meved style SPIN!!! And you blew it!!

Ben, I was like the guy at your parties, who you told, “Don’t touch it man!”

trying to set up a record player (on purpose use of the term) on the tranny hump,

had a friend do something similar. In the trunk, loaded with cinderblocks and suspended on springs. Worked only on real smooth streets and going real slow. Corners still killed it.

Ben,

You are speaking around the question. In one sentence you are saying I am wrong, but then you go on to basically say that you do believe we all worship the same God.

So, to put the matter at rest, a simple yes or no question:

Do you believe that Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same God?

Dynamic Range Expander (pioneer model) supposedly expands the high and low end sounds which are lost on the cassette tape medium. When overseas, I was one of the servicemen who just had to buy a complete stereo “system” in Japan when the dollar to yen was a great deal.

I’m tone deaf. But the DRE has a neat light display which flashes horizontally with a blue light and expands when you crank it up.

Had to have it. And now, alas, my wife has relegated the entire system to a dark place in our basement. Along with the space filling Bose 501, 401’s and early Pioneer surround sound speakers.

I shoulda bought my stereo while overseas, too. North Med, but PX prices are the same all over non-stateside. I was too intent in booze and broads. Had to get my stereo the hard way, high priced. Then again, I’ve not upgraded it in about 15 years and it does everything I need it for.

sorry for the double

Ha! Back in the day…………… I had a High School buddy who’s Dad was a Doctor, so they had the cash. Tons of audio equipment. We burned bunches of cassette tapes from albums – sweet system – that’s where I got the bootleg “Let It Be.”

I was a “poor workin’ boy” couldn’t afford all the albums I wanted, but Dave had a HUGE collection and that awesome system.

Until recently, I still had all those tapes from the Sixties…………………

Jeez, a couple of bottles of Ripple, crank up the sounds, try to make a move on the cute Junior, Kathy What’s Her Name, from my High School.

Makes me want to put my (CD) copy of Beggar’s Banquet on the player.

Nathan, you never proved your previous allegation against me yet!! LOL

Gee Fish… I must have known her sister/cousin, Rhonda Rottencrotch!! LOL

Early Blog Prediction: This place will be pretty quite about 8 PM.

Gotta leave now. If you get your crock on now, it should be ready in time for the game:

Pack of Brauts
Pack of knockworst (sp)
Pack of knotworst (sp)
Chunks of pineapple
favorite BBQ sauce

Cook in crock on low 4-5 hours.

12 pack Michelob on ice.

Rock Chalk JayHawks – Go KU!!!!!

The pro-abortion news media has finally figured out that half the abortions in Kansas are committed by out-of-state mothers.
They come to Kansas to contract the mangling, dismembering, poisoning, and beheading of their children because they know that no one has been able to enforce state laws or medical regulations in Kansas abortion mills, although a very few have shown enough spine to try, notably Phill Kline. So they commit their cheap, fast, dirty, unsafe abortions in Kansas and go back to their own state to face the decades-long consequences – - infection, blood loss, remorse, depression, substance abuse, suicide, sterility, breast cancer, premature birth and associated complications in later pregnancies and infants. Many times, the mothers get to keep all that a secret too – if they can.
19-year-old Christen Gilbert was one of the out-of-state abortions in 2005. She was a Down syndrome girl, a participant in the Special Olympics, a member of a baseball team, and a rape victim. So she had no choice in the high-risk post-viable abortion, not tolerated elsewhere in the USofA, when her parents brought her to Tiller’s filthy, unsafe, Wichita abortion mill. She didn’t go back to Texas, she went from the abortion mill to an ambulance to an emergency room, then her body went to a Wichita morgue, then an incinerator, where the evidence was disposed of.
The Sedgwick grand jury failed in its duty by one vote to indict Tiller’s killer staff of multiple violations of state laws and medical regulations, being denied key evidence and testimony by bought-off prosecutors and BOHA members.
There will yet be some kind of justice for Christen Gilbert and other like her, someday. So far, 2 of the corrupt BOHA members have been forced by pro-lifers and legislators to resign. There will be more to come. We will have justice.

Nathan is wrong.

The God of Christians, Muslims and Jews is the same God.

The other two groups do not accept the triune nature of God that we Christians do, but they worship the same monotheistic God that we do.

Chas – good observations. As I noted on another thread (the one with McCain calling for involvement) we see a lot of name-calling. The most popular of the neo-cons seems to be “America-hater”. Well, I guess Wright “hated” America so much he enlisted to SERVE America. And Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh etc “loved” America so much they ducked.

Regarding a wrongly placed post about the K.U. game tonight –

Memphis looks pretty good, Vaughn.

My advice for all: get to Papa Murphy’s early this evening. I did and still had a good long wait

What have you done lately Rev Wright?

September 2001: “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”

– September 2001: “We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki. And we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.”

– September 2001: “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because of stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own backyard. America is chickens coming home to roost.”

– April 2003: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes three-strike laws and wants them to sing God Bless America. No! No No! God **** America … for killing innocent people. God **** America for threatening citizens as less than humans. God **** America as long as she tries to act like she is God and supreme.”

– December 2007: “Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”

– December 2007: “Hillary ain’t never been called a n***8r. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”

– Jan. 13, 2008: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

“I have spoken with my legislator, and he literally says whoever sends him the most emails on a topic, that’s what side he votes for.”

Thats a pathetic way to represent the best needs of people…

Chas and I dont see eye too eye all the time. I would like to acknowledge that at least his Legislature admits or comments that they read their e-mails. I have yet to hear from mine. I have heard from Bill Otto and maybe a few others. Mine in Miami County, never!!!!!!!!!! Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com

Go freakin figure. Yeah. so about that global cooling issue….

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/04/07/climate-activist-got-bbc-change-global-temperatures-decrease-article

Damn, I’m getting nervous, game time is approaching, gotta get my game face on, do my warm up exercises so that my elbow is properly ready, get the chips and dip ready, check the station for the fifth time, warm up the vocal cords so that I can yell at the refs, hot links are broiling, condiments are ready, got the kraut, ’nuff beer in the ‘fridge win or lose, took the dog out already, check the station again, check the electric bill to make sure that it is paid so they don’t shut off the power during the game, ditto for the cable bill, check the station again…………….

I think I am ready – bring on Memphis!!!!

Go KU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What?!

No chile con queso and tortilla chips to come in off the bench in the second half?!

Hillary is vindicated in healthcare tragedy case!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080408/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_hospital_fact_check

Notice: We shall recognize Facism when it comes, for it will be draped in a flag, carrying a cross!! (Paraphrase of Sinclair Lewis)

Q&A: Missing the sermon for sound bites

Robin Russell, Apr 4, 2008

William “Bobby” McClain

On March 18, Sen. Barack Obama responded to controversial comments about America made by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, by condemning the negative statements yet supporting the man who had been his spiritual mentor for years at Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ.

“The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Rev. Wright’s sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour of American life occurs on Sunday morning,” Mr. Obama said.

Managing editor Robin Russell asked Dr. William B. McClain, a professor of preaching at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C., to shed some light on the tradition of preaching in the black church. Dr. McClain has known the Rev. Wright for many years.

A lot of people are quite upset by the Rev. Wright’s comments about America. Are you surprised?

Yes, given that they didn’t hear much of his sermon. All you hear are sound bites—30 seconds or whatever of a 40-45 minute sermon. It’s unfortunate that you don’t hear the whole sermon. I don’t think he put it as well as he might have, but I do understand the point he was making. If you take his statement, “God damn America,” and add an “s” to the verb, what he’s saying was “God condemns America.” God condemns any nation that does these things: that fails to honor justice, that fails to take care of the poor, that fails to take care of widows and orphans. “God is not pleased with, God is dissatisfied with, God judges a nation that does these things.” That’s really what he was saying.

Some observers see him as preaching hatred.

I think that’s a very, very poor reading of Rev. Jeremiah Wright. He is a compassionate man. He is a well-educated man. He has a seminary degree from Howard; he has done six years of work on a Ph.D. in systematic theology at the University of Chicago. He speaks five languages fluently. He has been at that church for more than 30 years. He stayed in that neighborhood even when other churches moved to the suburbs. He has more than 70 ministries going that deal with drug addiction and homelessness and poverty and tutorial program for kids and scholarship programs to send kids to college and to camp. He has a relationship with African countries in which his members are sent abroad in mission trips. He took a church that was declining and dying and brought it back to what is now the largest church in the denomination.

You couldn’t do that on the basis of simply spewing hate and anti-American sentiments. That’s not how he did it and that’s not what he has done. The people in Chicago respect him, they know him, he has identified with them and he has stayed there to serve the community. The church is multiracial; it is not simply a black church. In that membership are several professors from the Chicago Theological Seminary and the University of Chicago’s divinity school. I think we’re getting the wrong picture of what this church is.

Also, any church where everybody agrees with the pastor no longer is a church; it is then a cult. One of the things [Mr.] Obama made clear is he did not want to check his mind at the door as he enters the church. And I don’t think he’s ever done that. One of the reasons he wanted to be in the church was that it was an intellectual experience; it was a challenging theological experience. And he never promised that he would agree with everything that Dr. Wright says.

The interesting thing would be to play 20 years of sermons of Hillary’s pastors—and I know some of them, by the way. Or 20 years of McCain’s pastors. Why is [Mr. Obama] held to a standard that’s different from everybody else?

So what do whites need to know about the black church tradition?

For one thing, there has not been actual communication and fellowship and honesty between black churches and white churches. That’s unfortunate. And we’ve done poorly in all denominations. I think the Methodists have been a little bit better than most. And the UCC. But by and large, white people do not go to black churches. They’ve not experienced the black church—its worship, its preaching, its liturgy. And often when whites come to black churches, they come for entertainment: to hear the gospel music or to watch the liturgical dancers. Also, whites have gone to black churches on special occasions: It’s a funeral of somebody that you worked with or a neighbor, or some prominent civil-rights leader is in town. So you don’t know what happens regularly in the black church.

Is the Rev. Wright an extremist or do his sermons reflect the feelings of the black community?

Jeremiah Wright is not terribly different from most black preachers historically in the prophetic preaching tradition. He stands solidly in that tradition. He’s greatly respected in the black church—and has been for many years—as one of the great preachers in the black church. He’s helped to shape it. He’s led many, many movements, he’s led many national conferences, and he’s spoken at many of the national meetings that deal with social issues, with black theology, with liberation theology. He’s written more than 10 books. But I don’t think American white people cared enough to know who Jeremiah Wright was.

The sermon bits that you heard were in the whole line of [the Old Testament prophet] Jeremiah, his namesake, and Isaiah and Amos and Hosea and Ezekiel—the prophets who spoke truth to power, who called on the leaders to get right with God, to recognize that God is not pleased when you don’t do justice. In Hebrew, the word justice and the word righteous have the same root, so to do justly is to act righteously. And so, black theology does not make a distinction between that which is ethical and that which is theological.

Let’s talk about black liberation theology. What is it?

One of the misunderstandings is that black theology and liberation theology is new. Most people try to date it back to 1966, when prominent black clergy tried to respond what was happening in the streets with black-power advocates like Stokely Carmichael and H. Rap Brown. Many of us as black clergy would try to say: “You’re not out there alone. We’ve been fighting this battle for a long time. We need to join together and understand that black theology is consistent with the black power that you’re calling for.” Most people date that as the beginning of black theology. I do not think that is true.

I think that if you go back into the history of the black church the themes and the concerns of black liberation theology have always been present in the black church as long as black people have had to wrestle with the meaning of being a Christian in America, with racism—beginning with slavery—as a common experience every day. What does it mean to be a Christian? What kind of a God do we serve? What kind of God would allow a people to be enslaved? And so, black people decided long ago, long before [liberation theologian James] Cone was talking about this, that God was on their side, that God wanted black people to be free. And so you get those themes in the Negro spirituals long before we have any systematic theology here. “Go down Moses, way down in Egypt land, tell old Pharaoh to let my people go.” That’s not just a song; that’s a point of view.

The themes of freedom, of justice, of jubilee, of the time coming to be delivered and set free—all of those themes are present in the black church. It was their understanding that the God whom we serve is going to deliver us from slavery, oppression and pain, and that not forever will we be dominated by a people who are so cruel and unkind. The slaves raised the question, “Lord, how come we here?” As you begin to try to answer the question, you begin to do liberation theology.

The God in black theology is always a powerful God. The whole notion is that God is more powerful than anybody else, and that God has the power to deliver us—and not only does God have the power to deliver us, God will deliver us. And Jesus is seen as the liberator. You go back to Luke 4 when he goes to the temple and declares himself: “The spirit of the Lord is upon me, he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, to release the captives.” Black people identified with Jesus because he was poor, and he came as the deliverer of the poor. He was born in a bad situation. That’s their experience. He had suffered much of what black people had suffered. And yet they saw him as God sending him to identify with them but also to deliver them.

I’ve heard people say that as a Christian, the Rev. Wright should have been able to overcome his anger. Some dismiss him as bitter, or say that he’s living in the past.

One of the things that disturbs me is white people don’t seem to be able to deal with anger. There are some things which you ought to be angry about! The injustice in the world, the mistreatment of people in the world, the double standards in the world—you ought to be angry about that! Why should you be pleasant? The prophets weren’t. Jeremiah pulled his shoes off and walked barefooted down the streets. I don’t suggest any prophet do it now, but Isaiah pulled his clothes off—naked walking down the street—to call attention to how far Israel had strayed from what God had intended them to do and be.

The prophetic word has been a strong voice that speaks truth to power. Some folk ought to go back and re-read Martin Luther King. Some of King’s statements about this nation were much more stringent and strident than Jeremiah Wright’s. Martin was cutting in his critique of America. It’s not just Jeremiah Wright. One could go back to Benjamin Mays, who was Martin’s teacher. Or Joe Lowery, a United Methodist preacher who continually called on the nation to do right. Or Ralph Abernethy. We could go on and on.

What else are we missing in these ubiquitous sound bites?

One of the things that you don’t hear is, no black preacher could ever get away with ending a sermon with “God damn America.” It’s the black preaching tradition to go to grace, to go to the cross and to offer hope at the end of any sermon. No matter how negative the sermon has been about sin, no matter how critical it’s been about actions and behavior and state of the nation—there’s always a “but,” or a “nevertheless,” or an “in spite of.” I’m sure if you had heard the rest of the sermon he offered a way that America could turn around, just as the prophets did.

The prophets always—in spite of their criticism of the leaders, their judgment of the nation, their condemnation of sin—they always maintained, “Israel shall be redeemed.” That’s always the word of hope that is a part of the black preaching tradition, no matter who the preacher is. In a black church you’ve got to end up with the cross and hope and grace and possibilities. Being the preacher that he is, I’m sure that word of grace followed, but you didn’t hear it.

How do you explain the Rev. Wright’s statement that AIDS was a government conspiracy against African Americans?

I’m simply reacting to clips that I saw. I think what Jeremiah Wright was getting at was the whole notion of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment. And that’s a matter of record: Black people were, in fact, injected with syphilitic germs to experiment on the cure. And President Bill Clinton apologized to the nation for what was done in the Tuskegee experiment. So I think that’s the root of what he was trying to deal with.

What did you think of Sen. Obama’s response to the criticism?

I thought was one of finest speeches I’ve ever heard in my life. I was just talking to our seminary president yesterday, and his remark was, “I think this ought to be studied by everybody in this seminary.” It certainly falls in the line of the “Letter From a Birmingham Jail” and the “I Have a Dream” speech.

I think it was focused, I think it was balanced, I think it was honest It was intellectually sound, it offered perspective and I don’t think there’s anybody else in America who could have given that speech in the way it was given. He tried to look at the issue from both white and black sides, which he is capable of doing. That’s who he is. It’s just so interesting to me that he’s always seen as a black man. He’s a white man, too! And so much of his formation was in the white community. He’s as white as he is black. But we can’t deal with that in America. And that was what he put before us. He put it in perspective in a way that you couldn’t escape the issue, and I think only he could do that.

Heard about that political mama.

Some media huh?

The slightest bit of unsubstantiated crap on Senator Clinton and the media is all over it.

But Obama and McCain get a virtual pass on everything.

Any of you nerds out there have a recommendation for a graph calculator? My daughter needs to get one for her pre-algebra class.

“If a man really loves the Lord and believes in the God of Abraham, don’t you think that his heart would be inclined not to do that kind of thing and give glory to God?” [American of the USA]

Interesting… Doesnt seem to work for you, now does it?? Hmmmmm….

I didn’t flame you Chas, I said “you haven’t heard…”

Pardon me if I affected your sensibilities on the matter.

Oh, and know the difference between a ‘flame’ and an observation.

James, if thats not a flaming post, then do you have a link?? A website?? Anything??

I didnt think so!!

Hey Chas,

How come anytime I ask you why you do something or believe something, the only way you have to defend it is to commit more name calling and insinuations?

How is that complementing yourself or God for that matter?

I wasn’t complaining Chas, I was simply making an observation from my perspective.

James, you offered nothing about the article I posted… I believe that would be under the heading of either Trolling, or Flaming!!

Yeah Chas, whatever…

(shakes head)

Thanks to William Rivers Pitt from TruthOut for the following:

“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.”

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Speech to VFW National Convention
8/26/2002

“There is already a mountain of evidence that Saddam Hussein is gathering weapons for the purpose of using them. And adding additional information is like adding a foot to Mount Everest.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
9/6/2002

“We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
CNN Late Edition
9/8/2002

“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.”

- George W. Bush, President
Speech to UN General Assembly
9/12/2002

“Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons — the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.”

- George W. Bush, President
Radio Address
10/5/2002

“The Iraqi regime…possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas.”

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

“And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons.”

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

“After eleven years during which we have tried containment, sanctions, inspections, even selected military action, the end result is that Saddam Hussein still has chemical and biological weapons and is increasing his capabilities to make more. And he is moving ever closer to developing a nuclear weapon.”

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

“We’ve also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas.”

- George W. Bush, President
Cincinnati, Ohio Speech
10/7/2002

“Iraq, despite UN sanctions, maintains an aggressive program to rebuild the infrastructure for its nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile programs. In each instance, Iraq’s procurement agents are actively working to obtain both weapons-specific and dual-use materials and technologies critical to their rebuilding and expansion efforts, using front companies and whatever illicit means are at hand.”

- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002

“We estimate that once Iraq acquires fissile material — whether from a foreign source or by securing the materials to build an indigenous fissile material capability — it could fabricate a nuclear weapon within one year. It has rebuilt its civilian chemical infrastructure and renewed production of chemical warfare agents, probably including mustard, sarin, and VX. It actively maintains all key aspects of its offensive BW program.”

- John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control
Speech to the Hudson Institute
11/1/2002

“Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists…The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction.”

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Denver, Address To Air National Guard
12/1/2002

“If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
12/2/2002

“The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Response to Question From Press
12/4/2002

“We know for a fact that there are weapons there.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
1/9/2003

“I am absolutely convinced, based on the information that’s been given to me, that the weapon of mass destruction which can kill more people than an atomic bomb — that is, biological weapons — is in the hands of the leadership of Iraq.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
MSNBC Interview
1/10/2003

“What is unique about Iraq compared to, I would argue, any other country in the world, in this juncture, is the exhaustion of diplomacy thus far, and, No. 2, this intersection of weapons of mass destruction.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
NewsHour Interview
1/22/2003

“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production.”

- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”

- George W. Bush, President
State of the Union Address
1/28/2003

“We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.”

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
2/5/2003

“There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more. And he has the ability to dispense these lethal poisons and diseases in ways that can cause massive death and destruction. If biological weapons seem too terrible to contemplate, chemical weapons are equally chilling.”

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Addresses the U.N. Security Council
2/5/2003

“In Iraq, a dictator is building and hiding weapons that could enable him to dominate the Middle East and intimidate the civilized world — and we will not allow it.”

- George W. Bush, President
Speech to the American Enterprise Institute
2/26/2003

“If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us…But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.”

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Interview with Radio France International
2/28/2003

“I am not eager to send young Americans into harm’s way in Iraq, or to see innocent people killed or hurt in military operations. Given all of the facts and circumstances known to us, however, I am convinced that if we wait, a threat will continue to materialize in Iraq that could cause incalculable damage to world peace in general, and to the United States in particular.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Letter to Future of Freedom Foundation
3/1/2003

“Iraq is a grave threat to this nation. It desires to acquire and use weapons of mass terror and is run by a despot with a proven record of willingness to use them. Iraq has had 12 years to comply with UN requirements for disarmament and has failed to do so. The president is right to say it’s time has run out.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Senate Speech
3/7/2003

“So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not.”

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to UN Security Council
3/7/2003

“Getting rid of Saddam Hussein’s regime is our best inoculation. Destroying once and for all his weapons of disease and death is a vaccination for the world.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Washington Post op-ed
3/16/2003

“Let’s talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that based on intelligence, that has been very, very good at hiding these kinds of efforts. He’s had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.”

- Dick Cheney, Vice President
Meet The Press
3/16/2003

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”

- George W. Bush, President
Address to the Nation
3/17/2003

“The United States…is now at war so we will not ever see what terrorists could do if supplied with weapons of mass destruction by Saddam Hussein.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Senate Debate
3/20/2003

“Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
3/21/2003

“There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And…as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.”

- General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Press Conference
3/22/2003

“One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.”

- Victoria Clark, Pentagon Spokeswoman
Press Briefing
3/22/2003

“I have no doubt we’re going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.”

- Kenneth Adelman, Defense Policy Board member
Washington Post, p. A27
3/23/2003

“We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
ABC Interview
3/30/2003

“We simply cannot live in fear of a ruthless dictator, aggressor and terrorist such as Saddam Hussein, who possesses the world’s most deadly weapons.”

- Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader
Speech to American Israel Political Action Committee
3/31/2003

“We still need to find and secure Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction facilities and secure Iraq’s borders so we can prevent the flow of weapons of mass destruction materials and senior regime officials out of the country.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003

“You bet we’re concerned about it. And one of the reasons it’s important is because the nexus between terrorist states with weapons of mass destruction…and terrorist groups — networks — is a critical link. And the thought that…some of those materials could leave the country and in the hands of terrorist networks would be a very unhappy prospect. So it is important to us to see that that doesn’t happen.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Conference
4/9/2003

“Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find — and there will be plenty.”

- Robert Kagan, Neocon scholar
Washington Post op-ed
4/9/2003

“I think you have always heard, and you continue to hear from officials, a measure of high confidence that, indeed, the weapons of mass destruction will be found.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

“But make no mistake — as I said earlier — we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
4/10/2003

“Were not going to find anything until we find people who tell us where the things are. And we have that very high on our priority list, to find the people who know. And when we do, then well learn precisely where things were and what was done.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Meet the Press
4/13/2003

“I have absolute confidence that there are weapons of mass destruction inside this country. Whether we will turn out, at the end of the day, to find them in one of the 2,000 or 3,000 sites we already know about or whether contact with one of these officials who we may come in contact with will tell us, ‘Oh, well, there’s actually another site,’ and we’ll find it there, I’m not sure.”

- General Tommy Franks, Commander in Chief Central Command
Fox News
4/13/2003

“We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.”

- George W. Bush, President
NBC Interview
4/24/2003

“There are people who in large measure have information that we need…so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Press Briefing
4/25/2003

“We’ll find them. It’ll be a matter of time to do so.”

- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/3/2003

“I’m absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We’re just getting it just now.”

- Colin Powell, Secretary of State
Remarks to Reporters
5/4/2003

“We never believed that we’d just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Fox News Interview
5/4/2003

“I’m not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein — because he had a weapons program.”

- George W. Bush, President
Remarks to Reporters
5/6/2003

“U.S. officials never expected that ‘we were going to open garages and find’ weapons of mass destruction.”

- Condoleeza Rice, US National Security Advisor
Reuters Interview
5/12/2003

“I just don’t know whether it was all destroyed years ago — I mean, there’s no question that there were chemical weapons years ago — whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they’re still hidden.”

- Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
5/13/2003

“We said all along that we will never get to the bottom of the Iraqi WMD program simply by going and searching specific sites, that you’d have to be able to get people who know about the programs to talk to you.”

- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Interview with Australian Broadcasting
5/13/2003

“Before the war, there’s no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.”

- Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
5/21/2003

“It’s going to take time to find them, but we know he had them. And whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we’re going to find out the truth. One thing is for certain: Saddam Hussein no longer threatens America with weapons of mass destruction.”

- George W. Bush, President
Speech at a weapons factory in Ohio
5/25/2003

“Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we’re interrogating, I’m confident that we’re going to find weapons of mass destruction.”

- Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
5/26/2003

“They may have had time to destroy them, and I don’t know the answer.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Remarks to Council on Foreign Relations
5/27/2003

“For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.”

- Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Secretary of Defense
Vanity Fair interview
5/28/2003

“The President is indeed satisfied with the intelligence that he received. And I think that’s borne out by the fact that, just as Secretary Powell described at the United Nations, we have found the bio trucks that can be used only for the purpose of producing biological weapons. That’s proof-perfect that the intelligence in that regard was right on target.”

- Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Press Briefing
5/29/2003

“We have teams of people that are out looking. They’ve investigated a number of sites. And within the last week or two, they have in fact captured and have in custody two of the mobile trailers that Secretary Powell talked about at the United Nations as being biological weapons laboratories.”

- Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense
Infinity Radio Interview
5/30/2003

“But for those who say we haven’t found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they’re wrong, we found them.”

- George W. Bush, President
Interview with TVP Poland
5/30/2003

“You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons…They’re illegal. They’re against the United Nations resolutions, and we’ve so far discovered two…And we’ll find more weapons as time goes on.”

- George W. Bush, President
Press Briefing
5/30/2003

“If you took a sound-bite of Jesus saying ‘you have to kill your father and mother and follow me’ and you showed it a thousand times out of context, you’d make him look like a hateful madman . . . “

“My Catholic Church says this is an immoral war. Anything that is immoral is against God. . . . America has to take its responsible for its actions around the world. America has done some shameful things.

“The media has chosen to demonize certain people. . . . When white people criticize America, they’re critical — when black people criticize America, they’re haters of America . . . it’s a double standard . . . “

Not looking good for KU

Pmom

A woman should never be called that word in public or private,IMO

“I remember the segregated South. I remember the reserved sections in the balcony and the separate entrances for ‘colored.’ . . . if it had happened to me, I might have had even more of a chip on my shoulder than Rev. Wright does . . . “ [Huckabee]

Shoot, I remember segregated Wichita, and the balcony at the movies, and separate drinking fountains at the old Zoo, And I STILL feel a chip on my shoulder against racism!! I AGREE with Huckabee on that statement! Rev. Wright didnt say what he said, the way I might have said it… BUT… I am also not a Black Preacher, preaching in a predominantly black congregation on the South Side of Chicago!!`

Well it seems that Chelsea Clinton is fair game for questions.

I want to see someone ask old John or his wife if John McCain ever has night terrors or flashbacks.

Or ask him if he needs to take viargra to handle that c…?

YESSSSSSSSSSS HAWKS WIN!!! HAWKS WIN!!! KU DID IT AGAIN!!! AND OT TO BOOT!!! YIP YIP YIPPPEEEEE!!!!

That is such a tragedy, Phantom!! Terrible mess they got there!! Yikes!!

Yeah I’ve got nimrods over on the other blog DEFENDING their right to forceably marry 14 year old girls.

Excellent ball game, the best I’ve seen in years! KU, KU, KU…!!!

A thrill a minute —- had em by 6 — 7 is good too

Best bb game I’ve seen in years. I didn’t think this one would come close to the KU NC game, but glad I was wrong.
ROCK! CHALK! JAYHAWK!!!

AmUSA I think you are full of CRAP!! I say prove where I used an acronym in a bad language manner???

And WHERE do you find in anybody’s book, that posting a quote from a world famous author, addressed to no one in particular… is name calling??? You might want to check to see if you engaged brain before thinking???

Re: AmUSA — “Drive by” shooter!!

Re: AmUSA —

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Anytime ClintonObama are attacked, Libs, you need to:

Attack Bush.

(Hate will gain tons of votes for you. Keep it up!)

Obama’s pro-choice gaffe

THE WASHINGTON TIMES EDITORIAL
April 8, 2008

If you blinked, you may have missed it on March 29 when Barack Obama told a town hall audience in Pennsylvania that he didn’t want his daughters to be “punished with a baby.” Mr. Obama: “Look, I’ve got two daughters. … I’m going to teach them, first of all, about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

Punished? So those who choose to keep their child are being punished? More than a few moms and dads might take issue with that perspective. As for Mr. Obama, his campaign quickly “clarified” that he believes his children are “miracles.” But Mr. Obama should be reminded — as he has often stated — that words do matter.

Well, travel time this week.

Good night; Good luck; and God bless,
Whatever you conceive God to be!

Blessings ALL!!

Blessings on KU Jayhawks!
What a game!

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