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Yesterday at our State House. Legislative day 81:
BILL TO GROW AVIATION INDUSTRY
A plan intended to lure Cessna to build a new assembly plant in Wichita could also be used to attract future aviation projects.
Aviation companies could get up to $33 million in bond funding per project for research, development, engineering or manufacturing under a Senate proposal. There is a cap of $150 million for all projects. The Senate Commerce Committee approved Senate substitute for HB 2006 Tuesday, and the full Senate could debate it today.
Under the bill, the state would issue the bonds and Cessna could use the withholding taxes of current employees to pay off the loan. This isn’t the first time the state has considered such a plan. In 2003, the Legislature approved issuing bonds to help Boeing secure work on the 7E7. Cessna has said it needs $25 million in cash from the state to build a new plant, which would and add about 1,000 jobs in Kansas for its new Citation Columbus business jet. The money is in addition to a package of incentives already offered by Wichita, Sedgwick County and the state. The proposed plan would accommodate building a factory for Cessna’s $27 million Citation Columbus, its largest business jet to date. Cessna is investing $800 million to develop the jet. The project would add 1,010 jobs at an annual payroll of $74 million.
A Cessna Aircraft spokesman said Tuesday that Cessna is “hopeful that they can come to a resolution that would allow us to remain here in Kansas with this new production plant.” The company hopes to make a decision on a plant location in the next four to six weeks. It has said it has offers from other states to build there. The hope is that the aviation industry will continue to grow in Kansas and help insulate our state from the recession that so much of the country is facing.
And this is not just for Cessna. Other states have pools of money they can tap into when trying to attract big manufacturing projects. If the proposal passes, the state would have a mechanism in place for offering incentives when the opportunity arises. Some lawmakers said they were surprised how few tools the state had to attract or keep large manufacturing projects in Kansas. This is just the beginning of the next generation of planes being developed and built and to keep the state’s aviation industry strong, the state needs to get contracts for the new, proposed next generation planes.
House and Senate leaders have said they hope to pass a plan very quickly. Assistant Minority Leader Rep. Jim Ward, D-Wichita, said the House would probably work off the bill that the Senate had developed.
“Whatever vehicle we use, fundamentally we are going to pass the money.
Cessna is too important to Kansas,” he said.
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News from our State House:
COAL PLANTS
Here’s a bit of a play by play for your education on legislative process. Two bills were introduced at the beginning of the session, HB 2711 and SB 515; the two bills were identical as introduced. Each bill was amended heavily in committee and most of the environmentally friendly provisions taken out. The bills passed each house, but in somewhat different forms and a conference committee put together an agreed-upon bill which was placed into House Substitute for SB 327. The substitute for SB 327 included some, but not all, of the provisions of the two bills passed by the two houses regarding electricity production and regulation. The Conference Committee also incorporated into the bill some provisions of S. Sub. for HB 2066, as amended by the Senate Committee of the Whole, which included some, but not all, provisions of 2008 SB 515, and provisions of 2008 HB 2632, as passed by the House regarding adding certain energy conservation costs to the electricity rate base of certain electric
utilities. SB 327 was vetoed by the Governor on March 21, 2008.
On March 24, the House Utilities Committee replaced a 2007 bill, SB 148, with much of the same content that was in SB 327, and that bill was sent to the Appropriations Committee on March 27 to “bless” it in an exempt committee so that it would not be subject to the deadline to pass both houses. House Substitute for SB 148 is being debated on the House floor this morning.
Meanwhile, on April 2, the Senate Utilities Committee took a bill, HB 2919, which was a blessed bill because it originated in the House Appropriations Committee, and substituted the coal plant bill contents.
That bill now includes most, but not all provisions of House Sub. for SB 148 that is being debated on the floor today. Sen. Sub. for HB 2919 is up for debate on General Orders by the Senate today. If both bills pass, as they are expected to, the Utilities conference committee will retain a vehicle to keep debating the issue past the end of the session.
It is expected that the two houses will consider motions to override the Governor’s veto on SB 327 today or tomorrow. If both houses have
2/3 votes (House 84, Senate 27) to override, the bill becomes law. If either house does not have the votes to override (and the House is the one at issue) the bill dies.
And then they start all over again . . .
Legislative Day 81:
TOP STAFF OF BOARD OF HEALING ARTS RESIGN
Yesterday Kansas Board of Healing Arts director Larry Buening and general counsel Mark Stafford resigned amid criticism that they were slow to investigate complaints, including those against a Haysville osteopath who lost 56 patients to overdoses. The board is charged with overseeing and licensing doctors and other medical professionals.
Criticism of the board started with complaints from pro-life legislators about regulation of a Johnson County abortion clinic that was later closed. Kansas City-area residents also had complained about lax punishments for physician misconduct, including cases in which a psychologist slept with a patient, and a doctor repeatedly made sexual comments and fondled female patients.
At a special meeting yesterday, the board also vowed to continue improvements to make the agency more nimble and responsive. “The board has taken a good, hard look at itself, and we agree that substantial changes were necessitated,” board president Betty McBride wrote in a letter to state lawmakers. Buening, 57, started at the board in 1984 and was named executive director in 1992. He defended his staff’s handling of investigations but said he felt he had to resign. “I felt it was probably in the board’s best interest given all that’s gone on,”
he said. Buening agreed Wednesday that the board should speed up its reactions to complaints, but he declined to say whether the board had been too lenient. The resignations came after mounting pressure from lawmakers and residents concerned about the handling of physician misconduct. In the past few legislative days, the Kansas House and Senate unanimously called on the board to make improvements on its operations.
This past year, the Joint Interim Committee on Judiciary took testimony from citizens complaining about the poor performance of the board and from the board. Amazed to hear that the board had a policy of not investigating or disciplining a medical provider until the third complaint. Pending legislation introduced by the Joint Committee would allow the board to conduct fingerprinting and background checks on license applicants and take non-disciplinary action, such as requiring training and monitoring, after a single incident of substandard care by a doctor. Now, a showing of incompetence is required.
The last straw for many came after Stephen Schneider, a Haysville osteopath, was charged in federal court last December with illegally distributing medications linked to the deaths of at least four patients.
Authorities say 56 of Schneider’s patients died from overdoses in the past five years. Complaints about Schneider were referred to the board
four years ago and numerous complaints were made since then.
Concerns about the board were piling up before Schneider. A legislative audit two years ago raised concerns about the pace of disciplinary actions against doctors accused of misconduct. Overland Park psychiatrist Douglas Geenens was publicly censured by the board in 2004 after having a sexual relationship with a patient. The board also suspended Geenens’ medical license for a week and ordered him to submit to supervision of his practice for at least two years. Rory Murphy, a psychiatrist who was Geenens’ partner until 2001, said that didn’t go far enough. Murphy said Geenens “exhibited a pattern of unprofessional and unethical conduct,” and Murphy filed a complaint with the board in July. After three months and no response, he called board staff and received a letter promising an investigation. “Since then no one has spoken to me, no one has phoned me. No one has asked me for documentation,” he said. “It’s hard to understand the board’s lack of action in this case.”
In its ratings last year of actions taken by state medical boards, the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen ranked Kansas’ board 36th in the nation. From 2004 through 2006, the Kansas board took an average of
2.87 serious actions per 1,000 physicians each year. Serious actions include license revocations, suspensions and probation. The national average was 3.18 actions per 1,000 physicians. The Missouri board, ranked sixth in the nation, averaged 5.43 actions per 1,000.
Anti-abortion groups accuse the board of dismissing concerns about abortion providers. Kathy Ostrowski of Kansans for Life said her group’s misconduct complaints got no response. A Kansas City, Kan., abortion provider lost his license in 2005, five years after he was initially disciplined by the board. Ostrowski said, “The orientation of the board is to protect the doctor first and not the citizens.”
Buening said the board has made improvements since the state audit was issued, including hiring more investigators. No board member was willing to blame Buening for the board’s problems. Some defended him, noting that hundreds of doctors were investigated and disciplined during Buening’s tenure. “I don’t see anybody on the staff… that is slacking or not willing to do what it takes,” said board member M.J. Hodges, a Salina physician. He said the board and its staff were “tried and convicted in the jury of state opinion” by the media and “some legislators with an ax to grind.”
Buening’s resignation is effective July 1; Stafford’s, June 1.
TOURISM BILL STALLED IN HOUSE
The House Committee on Tourism last week refused to advance a bill that sailed through the Senate on a 33-7 vote. SB 501 would provide Kansas’s emerging tourism industry with a reliable, annual funding source to promote itself. Proponents have not surrendered hope that the bill will be signed into law this year. Nothing ever dies under the dome until the last gavel of the second year of the legislative session falls. So proponents are still wheeling and dealing.
The funding scheme has been worked through more than a year of debate and planning by an ad hoc group of travel industry advocates and others who called themselves the Kansas Tourism Initiative. For years, the Kansas Travel and Tourism Division’s anemic budget has been dependent on lawmakers’ annual appropriations handouts. Those appropriations have not been generous. According to the latest tally by the Travel Industry Association, Kansas’ fiscal 2007 tourism budget of $4.4 million ranked No. 44 among the 50 states.
In contrast, Missouri, at $17.7 million, stood at No. 14. This year, Missouri’s tourism budget is $20.6 million, and if its proposed fiscal ‘09 funding level of $23.9 million is approved in coming weeks, that state could vault somewhere into the national top 10.
SB 501, currently on life support in a House committee, borrows liberally from Missouri’s pioneering Tourism Supplemental Revenue Fund formula. Adopted in 1994 and copied by many states, the Missouri formula earmarks a percentage of annual growth in tourism-related sales tax collections for the state’s tourism budget, which is spent mostly on regional and national advertising. Increased tourism breeds increased tourism funding. And nothing breeds success like success.
Rep. Lana Gordon, a Topeka Republican and chairwoman of the House Economic Development and Tourism Committee, said the measure stumbled and then stalled over concerns that any earmarking of new sales tax dollars for tourism could squeeze state STAR bond projects, the state highway fund and other programs also dependent on those expanding tax sources. Proponents responded that the amendment language has been drafted to avoid those conflicts and protect bond funds.
Gordon said she is not against tourism, “We, as a legislature, need to say that tourism is a priority and needs more money to be successful,” she said. “The only issue is the best way to go about that.” But she suggests the issue be studied more and tackled again in 2009. Proponents respond that delaying longer to get into a competitive position on tourism is not acceptable. They argue that the legislature has looked at this for long enough and the tourism industry has done a good job of putting together the funding package and there’s strong support for it by the public and legislators. Bottling it up in committee so that the House cannot debate and vote on it is wrong.
Iconic state attractions such as Dodge City and the Village West entertainment and shopping district in Wyandotte County, which includes Kansas Speedway, could soon also have resort casinos. Wyandotte County will be hosting a Schlitterbahn Vacation Village water theme park, now under construction, which will be in a class of its own as a regional and perhaps national family destination. The Kansas tourism industry is in the national race for tourists’ love and dollars. But if Kansas is going to catch up, lawmakers need to provide funding this year.
(I don’t think we are in a race, and we don’t need to catch up with ANYONE. We will never be Disneyland. At best, we may improve our standing from near the bottom of the fifty states, to maybe the low forties (guess). At any rate, taxpayers should ask about a return on this investment – or self funding through higher hotel/attraction taxes. User fees. IMHO)
Sebelius is still sticking it too us. We still have a weak state. We still are too lazy to step up and remove corruption. Phil Kline is still pondering if he will run for “Re-appointment” as the DA of Johnson County. Administrative JUdge Tatum has not decided if he is the Administrative Judge or the DA Society President yet. Sheriff Kelly still allows sexual predators too roam in Mimai County, un-registered. Good news?????????? I spoke with Vida Guerra’s staff. I am working out a show appearance with her. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com
Who killed Cal Thomas and is ghost writing his column?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE&NR=1
I do not always agree with everyone here, from either party or political sway… But people these are our fellow voters. I trust whom ever you vote for it will not because you are not aware. If you were not aware you would not be here afterall.
As for the rest of the voters, you get the award…
The Darwin award!
You’ve got to be kidding. 757 posts on yesterday’s open. Is that a record? Too bad it turned sour. Had a pretty good/friendly discussion going for quite a while.
I was surprised too, generally someone screws it up around a hundred posts!
AMERICAN WAY, from my exposure to tourists in Kansas they seem to be more interested in the very history of the state, old West Cowboy and the like. That or Cyclones the local Helicopter service makes a boon every year by flying Japanese tourists around looking for them. The State might be better off embracing that old west heritage much like Oklahoma has with their Cowboy museum in OKC and through out the state.
I get the feeling that Kansans want to run away from their image and at times I do too!
I visited the “Prairie Rose supper club” several times and the majority of the time it was like a mini U.N.! There is an appeal for such things and Kansas is not taking full advantage of it.
Congratulations Kansas on taking down the Tigers. Great job
Good Morning everybody!
Isn’t this a beautiful God given day today?
Man that sunshine does wonders for the spirit, don’t you think?
And the flowers and other plant life is just springing up in God’s creation.
Thank you Lord!
How are all of you today?
Martin Luther King died 40 years ago today. It was a loss that came close to tearing this nation apart, with the same degree as the loss of the Kennedy brothers.
Without his leadership, the civil rights movement would have had a much more difficult road to obtain the rights they now have that should have been there from the day the first black man stepped on this great country.
You are missed, and I salute you for the sacrifices you made on the road you helped clear.
I wasn’t aware of the following, I thought bush was getting tough on earmarks since his party no longer dominates:
“GEORGE BUSH: If you send me an appropriation bill that does not cut the number and cost of earmarks in half, I’ll send it back to you with my veto.
BILL MOYERS: But the president’s heavy artillery was loaded with blanks. Just a few days later it was learned that Mr. Bush has packed the proposed new budget with thousands of his own earmarks — including over six million dollars for research in Vice President Cheney’s home state of Wyoming on “the fundamental properties of asphalt.” I didn’t make that up.”
All I can say is it’s high time someone investigated the properties of that new fangled asphalt! LOL
“more interested in the very history of the state”
I’m a realist WriterDog. The only tourism we get in Kansas, of any numbers is weekend trips from within the State or nearby.
It is rare for anyone from elsewhere to make a real weeklong vacation in Kansas.
Doesn’t mean I don’t love our state and history.
Along I-70, from Kansas City to the Colorado border, I once counted over 100 signs pointing to “historical bumfreak, KS”. I have taken a few of those journeys to little burgs. Few if any visitors. Don’t waste the money.
Here you go J M Walker, one of the best songs ever and it appropriate stirred a generation missing their old friends, Abraham, John, Bobby, Martin…
Marvin Gaye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnaaz75M4g
Dion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTdImHOj3Bg
OK, so the Senate overrode the guv’s veto on the Holcomb power plant. Now we know how we got the name Sunflower plant. I hope the poor utility didn’t have to pay too much to buy the Senate. We wouldn’t want those folks in Colorado to take up the slack with higher electric bills.
Kansas Senate: Best legislature money can buy.
Fie on all of them.
Sunflower plant=Sunflower state
“the fundamental properties of asphalt.”
We have a project here on that too. Been going on for over 10 years. Started in VB6 and migrated to .Net. Lots of photos. Terabytes of images. The problem is the bitter damn cold here, the ice, the salt etc. These are some of the worst damn roads I’ve ever seen. They still haven’t figured out a way to keep them from breaking down over the winter.
My guess is that the road construction companies don’t want a longer lasting road. Michigan wastes millions each year on the roads.
Either way, it is a state issue and the federal government has no business pumping your tax dollars into fixing Michigan, or Wyoming’s, roads.
Get your PC healthy Phantom?
Thanks, reg. Great singers, greater songs.
And the war on drugs continues:
8-year-old suspended for sniffing marker
posted by: Jeffrey Wolf , Web Producer
written by: Kyle Clark , Reporter created: 4/3/2008 9:53:12 PM
Last updated: 4/3/2008 10:37:40 PM
WESTMINSTER – Adams School District 50 is defending its decision to punish a third grader for sniffing a Sharpie marker.
Eight-year-old Eathan Harris was originally suspended from Harris Park Elementary School for three days. Principal Chris Benisch reduced the suspension to one day after complaints from Harris’ parents.
Harris used a black Sharpie marker to color a small area on the sleeve of his sweatshirt. A teacher sent him to the principal when she noticed him smelling the marker and his clothing.
“It smelled good,” Harris said. “They told me that’s wrong.”
Eathan’s father, John Harris, says the school overreacted for treating Eathan as if he was huffing, or inhaling, marker fumes.
“I think it’s outlandish,” John Harris said. “It’s ridiculous.”
Eathan shyly shook his head “no” when a reporter asked if he knew about “huffing.”
Benisch stands by his decision to suspend Harris, saying it sends a clear message about substance abuse.
“This is really, really, seriously dangerous,” Benisch said.
In his letter suspending the child, Benisch wrote that smelling the marker fumes could cause the boy to “become intoxicated.”
A toxicologist with the Rocky Mountain Poison Control Center says that claim is nearly impossible.
Dr. Eric Lavonas says non-toxic markers like Sharpies, while pungent-smelling, cannot be used to get high.
The video of the voters on the beach was pathetic. It’s no wonder we end up with the leaders that we do.
I do wonder, however, if they had asked, what BELIEF does so and so have that you agree with, perhaps they would have known. For a long time in my younger years especially, when someone said POLICY, I thought they were talking about some sort of written policy, not just a general plan.
Most people I talk to know exactly why they’re voting for someone, whether it be right or wrong. I know some people still think Obama is a muslim.
How fitting to Dr. Martin Luther King day that we have a lead democratic nominee who happens to be African American. Was in a discussion yesterday about someone having a fit about a black judge who was taking young blacks aside and giving them a lecture on what they’re doing to their community, to their people by being thugs. Sadly, this was used as a justification of their own racism instead of seeing it for what it was, advocacy. I think we need more strong, black and minority leaders who will stand up and lead some of their own youth back to the society flock- to become active in community, to hold their own place in the upward ladder. That’s not racism, but the youth are more likely to take it to heart and not get defensive as an attack coming from someone of the same race. And whites need to stop poking at every little thing as reverse racism too, that just compounds the problem. We need to act as facilitators.
THere is little doubt that racism is still alive and well out there, especially in the older generation, but they’re getting ready to die out, we’re coming upon a new time. And minorities need to join a combined society. Racism could die out soon if we let it.
Wow.
After the “all religion, all the time” threads from yesterday, I’m glad today is finally…
HOLIDAY!!!!!!!!!!
RAMEN to all my pastafarian brothers and sisters!
At last, the FSM is taking up residence on a courthouse lawn, as befits the noodly one.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3104764
May you all be touched by his noodly appendage, as surely Dr. King was…
NEW WORD:
Electile Dysfunction::
The inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
Sorry. Dumping my email here. Thought y’all could use a laugh.
An elderly woman had just returned to her home from an evening of church services, when she was startled by an intruder. She caught the man in the act of robbing her home of its valuables and yelled: ”Stop! Acts 2:38!” (Repent and be Baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins may be forgiven.)
The burglar stopped in his tracks. The woman calmly called the police and explained what she had done. As the officer cuffed the man to take him in, he asked the burglar: ”Why did you just stand there? All the old lady did was yell a scripture to you.”
”Scripture?’ replied the burglar. ‘She said she had an Ax and Two 38s!”
RAMEN to all my pastafarian brothers and sisters!
that’s a heck of a thing to feed your family. It is cool, though, how it starts out as that brick and turns into a pot of noodles.
*ducks*
KFG, I’d think that you’d be interested in debunking fundies. Afterall, it’s probably THE central argument for your equal rights.
Anywho.
For those who always say “well Bush inherited a recession from CLinton”…here is what a real recession inheritance looks like.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy
We will clean up your mess, don’t worry. But I’m afraid we’re going to be hard up for awhile since you let it get this bad in the first place.
LOL, Solly, I love religious humor.
“Guess what? The District Court ruled in favor of the sheriffs. In fact, they stated, Wyoming is a sovereign state and the duly elected sheriff of a county is the highest law enforcement official within a county and has law enforcement powers exceeding that of any other state or federal official.” Go back and re-read this quote. ”
Counselors??
http://www.keenefreepress.com/mambo/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=439&Itemid=36
Obama Against Concealed Carry – Surprise!
http://www.sunherald.com/447/story/467313.html
BELLEVUE, Wash., April 2, 2008 –Democrat Barack Obama on Tuesday insulted millions of legally-armed American citizens when he told a Pennsylvania newspaper that concealed carry poses a threat to innocent people, and he should immediately apologize for that remark, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.
Senator Obama, quoted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, admitted, “I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.”
“American citizens have been responsibly carrying concealed handguns for years in 48 states,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, co-author of America Fights Back: Armed Self-Defense in a Violent Age, published by Merril Press. “These citizens go through background checks, and in some states complete required training courses. Statistically, these armed citizens are far less likely to ever be involved in a crime than average citizens. They have stopped crimes. They have sometimes aided police officers.
LIE LIE LIE
That’s what Hillary and Barack will do at the PA debate! They will promise complete support for the 2nd Amendment! Liars.
http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/080325nj2.htm
Catching Fire From All Sides
Gun Control Could Get Sticky For Dem Hopefuls In Pennsylvania
By Linda Douglass, NationalJournal.com
© National Journal Group Inc.
Tuesday, March 25, 2008
When Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton square off in an April 16 debate in Philadelphia, they may be forced to spend time discussing an issue neither has talked much about in this campaign: gun control. April 16 will mark one year since the murder of 32 students at Virginia Tech, the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history. The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence will stage events around the country that day calling for stronger gun regulations, and for the candidates, gun control will be thrust on the table suddenly and unavoidably.
A 2002 poll found that 42 percent of Pennsylvania households have guns.
Guns are an especially potent issue in Pennsylvania, which is home to 300,000 members of the National Rifle Association — the highest per capita NRA membership in the country,
Heckler, interesting to be sure. What is the current status of that decision, that is, has it been appealed, has there been a decision made by an appellate court if it was? These questions come to mind as I read the article.
BTW, while the US District Court docket number is provided in the article, the name of the case is not. That information would be helpful in ascertaining the current status of the case. It would also be helpful to find the Judge’s Memorandum Opinion in the case.
My initial thoughts (without reading the opinion and determining the current appellate status, if any, of the case) are: 1) To the extent federal statutes were being enforced by the federal agents, the Court is in error; 2) The 10th amendment assertion by the blogger is a stretch.
Pmom? When it comes to debunking fundies, I let others beat their heads against that wall.
Simply put, I try never to put any effort into teaching pigs to sing. It wastes your time, and it only annoys the pigs.
max = scroll over territory
Pmom? When it comes to debunking fundies, I let others beat their heads against that wall.
I thought you liked that flattened forehead look in me. I’m so Neanderthal.
max = scroll over territory
max posted?
Heheheheh.
Well, thankfully someone took the time to teach me to sing. If they hadn’t, I’d still be in the sty. And better yet, the discussions, it keeps me from returning.
The best defense against fundamentalism is ex-fundamnentalists.
Oh look, I made a typo, but oh how fitting of one.
Now if we could only get Moderate Muslims to take on their extremists, perhaps we could get somewhere in the world.
Oh look, I made a typo, but oh how fitting of one
dangit! that just looks so right you’re going to have to tell me the right way to spell it.
fundamnmentalist?
Farmie keeps mentioning me, even though she scrolls over.
I think she likes me.
Might convert her yet.
Research News
Scientists Discover Antibiotic-Eating Bacteria
Audio for this story will be available at approx. 6:00 p.m. ET
Talk of the Nation, April 4, 2008 · Researchers have found several hundred species of bacteria that have antibiotic-eating ability, some of which are related to bacteria capable of causing disease in humans and animals. George M. Church, who studies the soil-living bacteria, discusses the findings, recently published in the journal Science.
Now, that’s something to begin to be afraid of.
Heckler, found this while poking around the internet.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message227513/pg1
Seems that the link you posted is bogus. See the statement at the top of the thread from the Chief Judge, District Court for the District of Wyoming.
Summary: case filed alleging civil rights violations; case settled, dismissed on joint motion of the parties. No order issued by the Court containing any language of the nature asserted in Heckler’s link. In the statement, the Chief Judge warns against interference with federal law enforcement authorities.
Fish, that is indeed something about which to be worried.
BTW, and I’m sure you know this, but were having fun, the plural of “hypothesis” is “hypotheses”. For anyone who was curious (knew that Latin would come in handy at some point).
(knew that Latin would come in handy at some point).
It’s all GEEK to me
*winks*
SOL, this is a true story: I was around 15 at the time that the first real street gang formed a couple of blocks from my house. They called themselves “Satan’s Helpers” and I had managed to stay out of their way for the most part. The day came I was walking to the local QT down an alley, when suddenly I found myself surrounded by a group of them about 18 strong! From what they were saying it was not about money they were looking to just beat the crap out of someone. And I was this tall, fat kid whom was available at the time.
AS they started to tighten the circle, I burst out “ OH ALMIGHTY GOD FORGIVE THEM AS THEY ARE HEATHENS AND KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO! PLEASE OH LORD I BEG OF YOU DON’T STRIKE THEM DOWN WITH A LIGHTENING BOLT! AHHHHHH”.
The punks stopped dead! They stood staring at me then turn and ran shouting I was crazy!
but it work…..heeee!
Gee whillikens, Drift, er, Fleetwood – why would you even bring that up?
And why do the censors allow him to do so?
You know – I’ve had about as much absurdity as one aging broad can take.
Make yourself useful, for frick’s sake! Re-release the “Mystery to Me” LP on CD – or release that wonderful song “Hynotized” as a CD Single.
Hell, go impale yourself on Christine McVie’s fifty-six-year-old molars – but don’t bring up filth like that!
It’s NASTY!!!
Finally on a late Friday afternoon the Clintons release their tax returns and the poor things have only made $109M since leaving the Whitehouse.
Clintons: $109.2 Million in 7 Years
Apr 4 04:13 PM US/Eastern
By JIM KUHNHENN
Associated Press Writer Write a Comment
WASHINGTON (AP) – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Clinton report nearly $109.2 million in income for seven years in newly released tax data.
But i’m sure she still feels our pain.
Songbird, please complain to the blog editors.
I agree with you.
April 4, 1975: Bill Gates, Paul Allen Form a Little Partnership
By Randy Alfred
1975: Bill Gates and Paul Allen create a partnership called Micro-soft. It will grow into one of the largest U.S. corporations and place them among the world’s richest people.
Gates and Allen had been buddies and fellow Basic programmers at Lakeside School in Seattle. Allen graduated before Gates and enrolled at Washington State University.1 They built a computer based on an Intel 8008 chip and used it to analyze traffic data for the Washington state highway department, doing business as Traf-O-Data.
Allen went to work for Honeywell in Boston, and Gates enrolled at Harvard University in nearby Cambridge. News in late 1974 of the first personal computer kit, the Altair 8800, excited them, but they knew they could improve its performance with Basic.
Allen spoke to Ed Roberts, president of Altair manufacturer MITS (Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems), and sold him on the idea. Gates and Allen worked night and day to complete the first microcomputer Basic. Allen moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico, in January 1975 to become director of software for MITS. Gates dropped out of his sophomore year at Harvard and joined Allen in Albuquerque.
Allen was 22; Gates was 19. Altair Basic was functioning by March. The “Micro-soft” partnership was sealed in April, but wouldn’t get its name for a few more months.
OH, it’s a ‘day-in-history’ thingy.
I need to oil them mental gears, GD.
Political Mama,
There is not any exception to the belief that the Bible is the inerrant word of God by me or most others who believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God.
I have not refuted anything by saying that God simply changed it either.
There is very little in the Bible which can’t be explained except for wondering about those things which are not very clear or leave room for different explanations.
There is not any vicious circle.
No evangelical says everything in the Bible should be taken literally. Once again, those like you who seek to do little more than attakc the Bible, choose to take something litterally and then say we must too in order for the Bible to be the inerrant word of God. Believing that the Bible is the inerrant word of God has nothing to do with believing “every little thing” must be taken literally.
The Bible is a book of many things, it is not some detailed blue print. The Bible has stories, metaphors, and many other literary devices not to be taken literally.
You, as well as many others, do not understand what logic is.
Logic is a system of argument and reason. Religion can be very logical and many believe it is just as I do.
You don’t have to agree with Religion, but saying it is not logical is flat out false.
Most people who think that the Bible has contradictions are looking for contradictions to prove the Bible wrong. For every so called contradiction you have there is an explanation for how you are wrong and there is not any contradiction at all.
The Bible was written by over 40 people and contains 66 books. We don’t believe that God actually wrote them. God inspired them. The book was still written by people though.
If God provided all the answers what need would there be for faith?
I feel great on “this end of things.” I know that I have a God that loves me. I feel no more or less guilt than anyone else who tries to live a good honest life regardless of being a Christian or not. I don’t worry that if I make a mistake I am doomed because I know that all I have to do is ask for forgiveness which is freely given to those who seek it.
I suppose, that if you believe “your” God is whatever you want him to be things would be a bit easier for you though. Then again, you don’t believe in “god” anymore when you do that, you simply believe in yourself. Good luck with that.
ghotiphaze,
Yea, I thought it was kind of interesting that this was the day Microsoft started.
“Seems like a dream… they got me hypnotized”
Nathan:
Thank you for your explanation – it’s all I wanted to hear. Succinctly, I just wanted to hear someone tell me that evangelicals “do not necessarily take everything in the Bible literally.”
You and others of traditional faith are certainly not responsible for the authors of those baleful passages.
You must understand, however, that to hear someone speak of the Bible as “inerrant” – and then read those very passages, especially when they’ve experienced sexual abuse and know its legacy acutely, it’s painful and confusing. Especially for an ex-Catholic like myself.
You have certainly espoused those hateful views; thus, I don’t believe you should need to justify your faith to me or anyone else.
It was just sort of strange for me to suddenly become aware of those parts of the Bible at age forty-something, after years of membership in a church that excludes women from the priesthood and administering the sacraments. (They can, however, distribute Holy Communion in the years after Vatican II.)
I believe it’s fairly obvious that I don’t have a key to the Holy frigging Grail here; it’s probably hypocritical of me to denigrate anyone for their faith. As long as they aren’t hurting others.
WOOPS! I meant to say, “You have certainly NOT espoused those hateful views….”
Sorry! The Songbird’s gettin’ senile – along with everything else.
Songbird,
What passages are you talking about relating to sexual abuse and being hurting and confusing?
What hateful views have I espoused? At every turn on this blog I have said that I don’t hate certain people.
Songbird,
Posts crossed, but what passages are you talking about?
I know, Nathan. The songbird made a typo!!!!
You’ll understand when you’re very, very old.
Those hateful passages spoke of rape. I and many others have experienced rape and its aftermath.
Reading those passages (such as Political_Mom cited in the “evilbible.com” website) is paradoxical, painful and confusing. God is supposed to be the definition of love and forgiveness; it’s hard, if not impossible, to reconcile my vision of God with the tyrannical despot conveyed in some passages of the Old Testament.
Sorry for the typo!!!!!
Songbird,
You obviously never read my reply on the first scripture cited in that website.
The claims of that website are absurd.
Very well. I didn’t have a chance to peruse all 752 posts that were left on yesterday’s blog. I only have access to this computer until 5:30 – and my temp. job ends very soon, so I won’t have access for much longer, anyway.
I’m still perplexed, though. Didn’t that website quote verse & chapter? If I’m wrong, I will stand (sit) corrected.
Songbird, here is what I posted to Political Mom the other day:
Political Mama, Songbird, and Everyone Else,
I am a studying Christian Apologist. A Christian Apologist is someone who basically defends the scripture from those who seek to attack the scripture or who have questions about it. I love to answer questions from those who are earnestly seeking answers. I sometimes feel the need to also defend the accusations made by those who seek only to attack the scripture.
It is fairly obvious to me that both you (Political Mama and Songbird) do not earnestly seek any answers to the Bible at all and seek to merely attack the scripture with your posting of that website link about the Bible condoning rape and murder.
That is fine. I have come to expect from several of you here on this blog little more than the quick drive by attacks on the scripture you make.
Many, if not all, of the attacks made on the Bible are made from complete ignorance or willful deception.
That website you posted is obviously on the willful deception side of things.
As with most attacks on the Bible, the attack takes something out of context and then makes a twisted distortion on what is actually said in some attempt to prove the Bible is saying something it is not.
The book of Judges is a history of the people of Israel. It is actually a story of the complete moral decline of those people and how they turned from God and fell into civil war and idolatry.
The book of Judges, in the verses quoted by your website link, doesn’t make any attempt to justify what happened or condone what happened. It is history. It is a history shown to us so that we may learn from it and not do those horrible things.
Yes, those horrible things did take place. History is full of many horrible things. Telling the story is not a proclamation for the horrible things that took place to be continued.
Does the Bible condone rape and murder? Of course not. Did people in history rebel from God and do bad things like rape and murder? Yes. Does telling that story of rebellion from God in turn mean that the Bible is condoning those things? Of course not.
In school we teach our children about the Holocaust. The Holocaust is in the History books. Does teaching our children about that horrible history mean that we condone it? Of course not.
So, that website makes no attempt to actually put into context what the book of Judges is, the story the Book of Judges is telling, or anything at all. The website merely pulls out some verses and then assumes it is some Biblical proclamation.
So you ask me to defend the Bible and what it says in Judges? There you have it. I do not defend or condone the actions of the people in Judges and neither does the Bible. It is history. If we ignore history, no matter how bad it is, we are doomed to repeat it.
Do preachers ignore these verses? No. Most preachers are concerned with the spiritual growth and nourishment of the church. It is the job of the small group Bible studies and your own studies to get into the depths of the Bible and the Pastor oversees these. I have been to plenty of them where we get into some in depth discussions over these types of verses.
These verses are not ignored at all. Most of us simply have enough common sense to see the context of them instead of trying to pull out random verses and trying to say they mean things they don’t.
I have no problem with answering your questions. Let’s hear what YOUR questions are. Don’t waste time finding some random website which is so obviously full of crap.
There are good things to get out of the Book of Judges if you are actually studying the Book. Going to websites like the one you posted will never give you those things though.
The claims on that website are absurd? Does your version of the bible differ from mine?
Are they not there?
Of course they are there. And once again, you try to explain it away with some nonsense.
“You, as well as many others, do not understand what logic is. Logic is a system of argument and reason. Religion can be very logical and many believe it is just as I do.”
There is nothing logical in the arguments that were made yesterday. There is no reason to believe a book that contradicts itself, no matter how you try to explain it away.
“Most people who think that the Bible has contradictions are looking for contradictions to prove the Bible wrong. For every so called contradiction you have there is an explanation for how you are wrong and there is not any contradiction at all.”
You don’t have to look far at all to find contradictions, that’s why they’re always being ‘explained’ by someone
“The Bible was written by over 40 people and contains 66 books. We don’t believe that God actually wrote them. God inspired them. The book was still written by people though. ”
Now that’s news to me, because most people on the evangelical side tell me God literally moved the hands of the men who wrote them. And that yes, most everything in the bible is a LITERAL interpretation (except when it’s not).
Then we’ve got that whole bizarre trinity thing that comes literally from nowhere scripturally.
So you gonna let gays get married yet…push for their equal rights? Gonna leave women alone about their decisions of their body?
Political Mama,
You didn’t do anything other than say that I am wrong.
No argument, no examples, no explanation.
As I said, you are not seeking any truth. You only seek to attack the Bible.
What gives?? The Secret Service says to call the Department of Treasuery so I did. They tell me to call the kansas AG. He tells me he doesnt represent the citizens of kansas. he represents the Government People of Kansas. Lynn Jenkins is running for Congress. This is ILLEGAL. She is the States Treasurer. It is ILLEGAL for Treasurey Employees to run for Congress positions. I e-mailed http://www.hotline@oig.treas.gov I am waiting on a responce. This is the Inspector General in Washington DC. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com
Fish,
*rueful acknowledging wink”
Mr. West, may I respectfully suggest to you that the State Treasurer of Kansas has no connection to the federal Department of the Treasury?
And may I also add to that suggestion:
That you also study the defensive use of a firearm before trying to tell others how useless they are.
Ok Nathan I challenge you to prove the Trinity exists.
But I have to warn you, I won’t be able to debate it further till about 9pm, gotta go take care of my grandparents.
Iknow, we liberals are all about ourselves and all, I”m just weird that way.
The Inspector General in Washington told me Lynn Jenkins is not elligible to run for Congress. They state, “Treasurey Employees are Treasurey Employees”. They stated “it is unethical and ILLEGAL for her to run for Congress”. I got the call from Nicole Graves after my consult today. They state, the Revenue Director, is considered Federal in nature as well as State. She has Federal inside influence that she can manipulate and/or coverup if elected. This makes her inelligable. As too guns, Nathan, effective if the trigger is pulled and the bullet hits something. It is not the ultimate, exclusive only form of protection available. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com The State Director of Revenue uses the “FEDERAL SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE RULES< POLCY AND GUIDELINES”!!!!
Political Mama,
Why not simply challenge me to prove that God exists?
I can’t.
What is your point?
Nathan
Posted April 4, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
Political Mama,
Why not simply challenge me to prove that God exists?
I can’t.
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When I SAY THAT
Nathan
Posted April 4, 2008 at 4:57 pm | Permalink
Political Mama,
Why not simply challenge me to prove that God exists?
I can’t.
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When I SAY THAT
WASHINGTON (AP) — Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former President Clinton report nearly $109.2 million in income for seven years in newly released tax data.
The Democratic presidential candidate and her husband paid $33.8 million in taxes from 2000 through 2007. They listed $10.25 million in charitable contributions during that period
Damn rich Republicans anyway!
Actually, I don;t care. I just felt like it. At least they gave to charity. WOnder which one?
HE SAYS I AM NO CHRISTIAN!!
SO YOU CANT PROVE IT, EH NATHAN??? BUT THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO NOT BELIEVE IT, ARE GODLESS NON BELIEVERS… WHAT A CHRISTIAN YOU ARE NATHAN!!
BTW, JESUS SAID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THE TRINITY!! NEENER, NEENER, NEENER!!!
Chas, I respect you and your faith. I love how tolerant you are. I think it’s really nice how you don’t feel offended by my ranting sometimes.
You notice I never go after you? There is a reason for that :D.
Political Mama,
Tolerance doesn’t equal acceptance.
I tolerate other religions just fine. I simply disagree with them.
Naathan, if you truly tolerated other religions, you would cease immediately from calling me a blasphemer every night after I give my nightly Blessing…
No Nathan, you are ANYTHING but tolerant!!
Tolerant my hindquarters! This is where this whole discussion stemmed from Nathan.
How come everyone sees you as intolerant except for yourself?
Ok great, now that we have gotten somewhere on the other thread, I want to move forward.
Nathan. Show me where in the bible it says that you are commanded to stop women from having abortions, where you are told to interfere with her body and belief?
Show me where in the bible, you are told to keep same sex couples from getting married ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN BELIEF.
Just trying to beat Max to this one. Here are the Clintons’ tax returns from 2001 to 2007:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/returns/
They made $109 million – probably more than Max was able to earn off of the misfortune of others.
“Tolerance is not punching someone in the face because of his religion. Acceptance is being completely okay with what he believes. Civility is, at least, not mocking his God in front of him at every opportunity.”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory115.html
Steven, is that what Max does?
I’ve seen that post a hundred times today. I wonder how much the Bushes (HW) made in the last 7 years.
I don’t know, PM, just love giving Max the finger. My day is not complete until I do…
Bill and Hill made $419K in 2000, so their income has improved considerably with him getting out of government work.
Political Mama,
There is nothing in the Bible commanding me or anyone else to stop abortions.
There is nothing in the Bible telling me to stop same sex marriage either.
I can argue against both with never even mentioning that I am a Christian or interjecting my faith as well.
Mary is not a Christian and she disagrees with abortion.
I believe that the unborn child is a human life worth protecting. That is why I will continue to do everything I can to oppose it and end it within the law.
I don’t believe marriage is a right. I believe in restrictions on it including not allowing same sex couples to get married.
the recent child neglect case was overlooked by family, friends and neighbors not wanting to get INVOLVED………it was a total unbiased individual
who overheard the conditions these poor kids were living in and took the social responsibilty to report. children crying for hours because they are locked in a room not beig fed, while mom and dad are sitting in the next room having a nice meal makes me ill. when cops walk in to do a child welfare check and find nothing they do nothing go back out the door to free coffee and donuts at Q.T. SO IF YOU SUSPECT ABUSE report it
Mary also sees the reason why there is a need for abortion and does not seek to end legal access to it.
Why would you deny a group of people rights to love one another simply because you don’t like it? Does that mean if I don’t like the way you drive, even within the law, that I can seek to remove your license just because it is my belief that you shouldn’t drive? Do you have the right to get married to someone you love? Of course you do.
i think I finally figured out a way to get Nathan to ‘get it’.
Let us all phone the police, and tell them that we believe nathan is a danger to other drivers. Driving is not a right. So since it is my belief that he should not have a license, we can get that taken away if enough of us make it so.
I’m guessing that you wouldn’t take too kindly to that right?
Political Mama,
Sounds pretty childish to me, but do whatever floats your boat.
You see, when someone like me knows that they have done nothing wrong and are in the right we don’t worry about stupid threats like that.
It’s not a threat Nathan, it’s a point.
Sadly, the point also is, that I won’t act upon my imposition of my belief onto you…
whereas you already HAVE imposed your belief onto others. And for nothing but to hurt them.
Political Mama,
You are worried about me hurting other people because I oppose abortion?
And what about the millions of innocent unborn?
Sorry, I am in this for them, not your feelings.
Not so much for the born though are ya Nathan?
I was talking about gay marriage and you know it.
But it has nothing to do with a non living, non breathing, non feeling thing in abortion. It has everything to do with the life of the mother, the living breathing feeling person. And the potential life that embryo/fetus will become. You prefer to see it born and then starved to death, than to see it aborted before it even can think.
I think the fact that he ignored my gay marriage comparison, I think he did, finally get it.
If it’s not about religion, then it’s about just being a plain ole dick.
This one is for KFG:
Clinton and Obama: We (Heart) Gays, Especially in Pennsylvania
Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama want you to know they’re not just tolerant, they really like gay people. And they want their votes, especially in Pennsylvania later this month.
In her effort to court the gay vote, Clinton gave an exclusive interview to the Philadelphia Gay News during which she talked about “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” among other issues. The publisher of the paper says both Clinton’s and Obama’s campaigns have made noises about buying ad space, “but we haven’t gotten an insertion order.”
Though Barack Obama hasn’t done a Pennsylvania-specific appeal to gay voters yet, he has in other parts of the country. According to Editor&Publisher, in March Obama bought full-page, full-color ads in four Ohio and Texas LGBT publications shortly before their state primaries. It was the first time (sez Obama’s campaign rep) that any presidential candidate has placed ads in local gay/lesbian publications for the express purpose of “asking for the support and the vote of LGBT voters statewide.”
http://usliberals.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&sdn=usliberals&cdn=newsissues&tm=12&gps=111_843_1012_603&f=00&tt=14&bt=1&bts=0&zu=http%3A//www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/index.html
Wow, President Clinton made 23 million on one book of which 15 million was given to him in advance. 8 million dollars in return back to the Publisher is not a very good investment.
Appears to be an out and out ‘gift’ to me.
Nathan
Posted April 4, 2008 at 7:44 pm | Permalink
Political Mama,
“Tolerance doesn’t equal acceptance.
I tolerate other religions just fine. I simply disagree with them.”
What a laugh — you belittle other peoples religions in here all the time you small minded child —- that is not tolerating them — Man UP pRICE
What basis — other than religious bigotry — is there for Denying Gay Marriage?? Certainly ccant base it on a legal objection!!
And if you answer that one, dont bring up beastiality; or pedophilia; or polygamy; or incest or any of the rest of the usual nonsense… KEEP IT TO GAY MARRIAGE!!
Genetics according to Genesis:
Jacob in order to pull a faast one on his father in law — knows how to mate different colors of goats… he puts up a board in front of the female being mated… to get a spotted goat, he paints the board in spots… to get a black goat, he puts up a black goat… and to get a white goat, he puts up a white board… What ever color the female sees as she is being mated will be e the color of the baby goat…
THIS is Bible based Genetics!!
I am not makin this stuff up!!
Wow, President Clinton made 23 million on one book of which 15 million was given to him in advance. 8 million dollars in return back to the Publisher is not a very good investment.
Read it again, Regular, or brush up on the publishing business. You didn’t provide a link, so it’s hard to tell what the publisher made, but I can assure you it was well over 23 million. 8 million was what Clinton received in royalties AFTER the 23 million was earned out in sales. That’s one helluva lot of books!
Royalties, of which advances are a part of, are only a percentage (many times small & less than 10%) of the cover price.
It works like this: An author is given an ADVANCE ON ROYALTIES at the time the manuscript is bought by the publisher (after the contract is signed). That advance is earned out through a percentage of the sales. Subsequent royalties are paid after the advanced is earned out. Different publishers have different percentages, depending on the publisher and sometimes on “WHO” is the author. Royalty periods can also vary. Some royalties are paid out twice a year, while others are paid quarterly.
Political_mama,
1. The physiology of the human body is ample evidence against why homosexual and/or lesbian same sex relationships are normal.
2. More evidence is that homosexual and/or lesbian same sex relationships are unable to procreate unto themselves.
3. This is quite evident in science.
How do you reply to this?
Note: I respect every individual and the life that they hold.
AmUSA – Neither my wife, nor myself, are capable of procreation. We are not homosexual or lesbian. Thus, we can not produce offspring. By your logic, we should not be allowed to marry!
That is a part of science.
Is science the determining factor in issuing a marriage license?
AAUSA,
Do people in wheelchairs, are they refused the right to drive a car…afterall, they were not naturally given the ability to do so.
Your argument holds NO water. You do not respect gays if you wish to make them lesser beings than you.
I will ask this…should I be able to take your driver’s license because I want to?
Chas.
Posted April 5, 2008 at 10:14 am | Permalink
AmUSA – Neither my wife, nor myself, are capable of procreation.
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Praise the Lord!
PTL = POS!!
Re: PTL DNFTT!!!
It was a terrible thrashing accident.
WHACK! And it was gone.
No big loss.
Re: PTL
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Chas, you pick on Regular constantly and attack him personally.
You call me a troll?
ROFLMAO!!!
PTL = POS Troll
Chas = Phony Pastor
… = Phony Poster!! LOL
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Nuff said!!
Ya that Chas boy is so funny.
Nuff said! Har Har!
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