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Open thread 4/28
- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted April 28, 2008 at 6:04 a.m.
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(God)
I offer myself to thee, to do with me as thou wilt.
Relieve me of the bondage of self that I may better do thy will.
Take away my difficulties that victory over them may bear witness to those I would help of thy power, thy glory, and thy way of life.
May I do thy will always.
prayer from Alcoholics Anonymous
There’s no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you.
Will Rogers
This week on Wednesday, I believe, Kansas legislators return to Topeka for their wrap-up session. So please contact your legislator and let them know you are opposed to building the two new coal fired electric power plants near Holcomb/Garden City, Kansas. Tell them you want to be able to continue to breathe fresh air and drink good cool water from our relatively pure underground aquifers. Let’s not turn Kansas into one giant industrial waste plant.
I see Straight talk reformer McCain, who used to call for candidates to pay full cost for using planes from related parties, is paying a discounted rate for a plane furnished through his wife.
Posted in comments for the article. The article;
“What’s true, false about coal”
BY PHYLLIS JACOBS GRIEKSPOOR
The Wichita Eagle
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/386417.html
What…this article sounds like an actual endorsement FOR COAL PLANTS coming from the Eagle. That just can’t be happening even if it’s based on the true economics and other factors surrounding coal vs other methods for power generation.
Right down the line it shows coal to remain the best choice. Coal plants are still cheaper to build than the others, much cheaper (4x) than others to operate. And get this, while they are a little more polluting, not as much as we have been lied to about, and still well under EPA requirements.
Sunflower is a Cooperative, owned by customers, so profits are returned to consumers…not the ugly big business we been told they are. And it turns out the power generated is on a first call basis by Kansans with the excess sold out of state. Hum, that seems to make sense as a good business decision.
This whole problem coming from Gov. Kathy and her puppet Environment Secretary Rodney is mostly political posturing. Now that is ugly.
Story;
http://www.kansas.com/news/story/386417.html
KansasNative knows how to start this blog along with his day and ours.
Thanks!
John McCain, flip flopping like a carp on the bank.
The Holcomb coal plants are unneeded and unwanted.
They will not be built.
WEblog editors, next time you have Sen. Roberts ear, please ask him why he voted for the McCain Ammendment that gave foregin companies an unfair bidding advantage on Govt. military contracts. As far as I know, this has not been addressed by our Repub. representatives in Washington.
BJ,
I doubt you read the article so here is what is says concerning your assertional claim, emphasis on ‘ass’, that the power is not needed.
“Here’s how some of those claims stack up under closer examination:
• Kansas doesn’t need more electrical capacity and would get only a fraction of the power from the new plants.
Kansas does need more generating capacity to support a 1.5 percent annual increase in demand, according to estimates made by the state’s largest utility, Westar Energy. This is especially true for “base load,” the nearly constant portion of electrical demand.
Conservation could help slow the pace at which demand increases, but the increasing spread of high technology accelerates the demand for power. And any increases in population or industry — both of which are economic goals for the state — would create more demand for power.
Kansas does not currently need all the power that would be generated by the Holcomb plant. But Sunflower Electric Power Corp.’ s partners in the project say they do. And they are willing to pay for it.
Sunflower says the project is simple economics: You make more than you need and sell the excess.”
WEblog editors, next time you have Sen. Roberts ear, please ask him why he doesn’t look into the substandard workmanship of Boeing and the ongoing organized labor issue that make it impossible to compete against a quality military plane-building competitor?
Encourage him to disband the unions and instill a meritocracy.
Explain to him that Boeing must up the quality of their product and come into competition or they will be out the door on their ear.
Like what just happened.
Take a lesson from it.
So many idiots.
So little time.
“And any increases in population or industry — both of which are economic goals for the state.”
They may be goals. They aint happening. Being coal pollution central is only a negative in that direction.
“Encourage him to disband the unions and instill a meritocracy.”
Shery and baitfish?
It was Boeings concentration on badly treating and micromanaging its work force and neglecting their R&D caused them to lose that contract. Get rid of the damned “right to work” laws so Kansas can be a union state and you take the necktie addled thinkers outta the way of the best aircraft builders in the world.
There are less than eight months until the election, an election that will decide the next president of the United States. The
person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans.
To show our solidarity as Americans, let’s all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It’s
time that we all came together, Democrats and Republicans alike.
If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day.
If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off at night.
” Get rid of the damned “right to work” laws so Kansas can be a union state”
Forced union organization/membership is very UnAmerican. I have a right to NOT belong to a union and a right to NOT be represented by a union.
You want a union where you work? Take a vote. Let the employees decide.
Take your forced unions and shove them where the sun doesn’t shine.
God Bless America and free enterprise!
This week on Wednesday, I believe, Kansas legislators return to Topeka for their wrap-up session. So please contact your legislator and let them know you support building the two new coal fired electric power plants near Holcomb/Garden City, Kansas. Tell them you want Kansas to be seen as a state for economic growth and encourage industry to come here. Tell them you don’t want to PAY for carbon taxes which will be passed on to consumers. Let them know that the proposed plants must meet todays EPA standards, as the plant operators have promised. Let’s not turn Kansas into overreacting head-in-the-sand scared people state.
“ask him why he doesn’t look into the substandard workmanship of Boeing and the ongoing organized labor issue that make it impossible to compete”
Unions are driving industry and jobs overseas.
But get over it: Boeing lost. Fair and square.
Their antiquated thinking will result in their joining the big three American automakers in the rust belt of unhappiness.
“Encourage him to disband the unions”
They don’t need outside interference. Unions are a declining force in America. Less than 18% of the workforce belong to unions.
They are dying. That’s why the few want to overpower the majority – and force unionization down our throats.
Only the two major teachers unions remain a force to be reckoned with: and that’s because the employee force are working on salaries paid for by United States taxpayers. Liberal as you can get. Sucking at the government trough.
The TV Monkeys seemed to put a lot of stock in the idea that wearing a lapel pin is a good measure of one’s patriotism. Is it?
From Boortz
For all you Al Bore jocky sniffers.
You do know that food prices are rising around the world. If you’re paying attention you will know that much of this is caused by the heavy subsidies the federal government pays to farmers who grow corn and maize for ethanol production. It has been several years since any new acreage has been planted in corn for food in this country. Well … I just thought you might like to know just who it was in the United States Senate who broke a tie on a Senate vote to prevent an EPA mandate for ethanol. Louisiana Democrat Senator Bennett Johnson tried to prevent that mandate from becoming law. He said that American consumers would need a few extra bucks to pay for their corn flakes every morning if the mandate made it through.
Now .. here’s what you don’t know. The Senate was tied 50-50 on the bill to prevent the EPA from going forward with the ethanol mandate. The tie had to be broken, and it was, by the President of the Senate. The bill was defeated and the EPA was allowed to proceed with the mandate. That was 14 years ago. Now we have these increasing food prices.
Who was the President of the Senate that broke the tie and led the way to ethanol mandates?
Al Gore.
Making the Rev. Wright a Rich Man.
Speaking of TV Monkeys, I am happy to see them make the Rev. Wright a rich man. He’s going to sell a lot more books and receive a lot more invitations to speak on campuses and his fee is going to go up. I wish Wichita State would invite him, but I doubt they could afford him now.
“You want a union where you work? Take a vote. Let the employees decide.”
And let’s have that vote be public, as a new bill in Congress calls for.
If you stand with management and against your fellow worker, well your fellow workers have a right to know that.
“Know thy enemy”
Paraphrased from Sun Tzu “The Art of War”
Once again Leonard Pitts hits the nail on the head:
LEONARD PITTS: CITIZENS HUNGER FOR NATIONAL PURPOSE
Let’s talk about us. Not as in you and me but, rather, as in common cause. I’ve been thinking about “us” for a few days, ever since I happened upon a message board for sports fans on the NBA playoffs. The conversation was what you’d expect — fans of underdog teams arguing that, while other people may not believe in “us,” all “we” need to do is box out, get back on defense, and “we” can prove “our” doubters wrong.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but none of the people throwing around those variations of the first-person plural pronoun is competing in these playoffs. Not a rebound will they snatch, not a bounce pass will they catch. They are accountants, doctors, cabbies, cops, bellmen, barkeeps and others whose closest brush with athletic glory comes in weekend wars waged at the park followed by liberal applications of Bengay.
I came away struck, as I often am, by this singular ability of sports to make people say “we.” It happens much less often in other areas of civic life. No one says “we” when he talks about homelessness or hunger. No “our” enters the discussion of fatherless families or abortion rights, “Us” is a stranger to the debate over failing schools and crime. Those conversations are framed by words like “them” and “they.”
I have no bone to pick with sports. Still, I find myself thinking a healthier society would find common cause beyond the ball field and the basketball court, would regard working toward great and ambitious goals as a civic obligation. Am I the only one who remembers a time when rallying the people together was considered the very embodiment of leadership?
That’s not to suggest earlier generations were all marble men of selfless good. HBO’s “John Adams” miniseries and Eric Burns’ 2006 book, “Infamous Scribblers: The Founding Fathers and the Rowdy Beginnings of American Journalism,” provide fresh reminders — as if any are needed — that pettiness, backbiting and smallness of vision are hardly new to American politics.
Yet when you remember Abraham Lincoln calling for men to save the union, Franklin Roosevelt’s demand for courage in the face of Depression, Lyndon Johnson’s declaration of a War on Poverty, John Kennedy’s audacious challenge to go to the moon, and then try to remember the last time any modern-day leader asked us to pull together, sacrifice together, in the name of some vital cause greater than any one of us — well, you come up empty.
Instead, we’ve had George H.W. Bush denigrating the “vision thing,” and Bill Clinton building that bridge to the 21st century. Sept. 11 seemed to promise such a moment, except that when people asked how they could pitch in, they were told to go shopping.
This is not sacrificing for “us.” It is not pulling together for “we.” But again, we don’t say those words so much anymore. We say “them” and “they” and “red” and “blue,” and if that has been politically useful for some of us it has come at a cost for all of us: fragmentation, polarization, balkanization, disconnection.
Small wonder Barack Obama has been able to build a political movement on a simple promise to bring people together. Small wonder John McCain has lately been calling people to “sacrifice for a cause greater than yourself.” They sense it, too, I think: a hunger for national purpose.
To meet that hunger is not to magically erase disagreements and fault lines. But it just might allow us to be grounded again in the understanding that true nationhood requires there be something that surmounts those differences. Our founders knew this, which is why the first-person plural pronoun one finds on sports message boards is also the first word in the first sentence of the U.S. Constitution.
You remember. It begins with, “We the people.”
What B.J. said-”And let’s have that vote be public, as a new bill in Congress calls for.
If you stand with management and against your fellow worker, well your fellow workers have a right to know that.
“Know thy enemy”
What B.J. meant- And let’s have that vote be public, as a new bill in Congress calls for.
That way it’s easier for union goons to pad the membership through threats and intimidation.
“Know thy enemy”
For you Boortz ball lickers and other assorted creatures from planet wingnut.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul354.html
“This decline in the value of the dollar is simple to explain. The dollar loses value as the direct result of the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury increasing the money supply. Inflation, as the late Milton Friedman explained, is always a monetary phenomenon. The federal government consistently wants to spend more than it can tax and borrow, so Congress turns to the Fed for help in covering the difference. The result is more dollars, both real and electronic – which means the value of every existing dollar goes down.”
Sorry wingnuts your wheaties are more expensive becuz of Iraq and tax cuts not the goracle
“If you support the policies and character of John McCain, please drive with your headlights on during the day”, but with your eyes tightly shut to the realities of life such the continuing dangers of deficit spending.
“And let’s have that vote be public, as a new bill in Congress calls for.”
What’s a public vote? Do you think your union goons have a RIGHT to know how every individual voted?
Does anyone know how YOU voted in any state or federal election?
A public vote – if it discloses the individuals vote, is UNAmerican too.
Again, another loser proposal from a loser organization, trying to use FORCE and intimidation to control the rights of the individuals.
Thanks for letting me know this is in Congress. Do you have Bill Number?
I need to write my representatives and try to put a stop to this nonsense.
Sounds like a typical liberal initiative: Unions support democrats, so the socialist democrats support the unions.
Can’t win fair and square.
“And let’s have that vote be public, as a new bill in Congress calls for.”
Posted by BJ
Oh yeah BJ….so that your union goons can intimidate the workers into voting the way the goons want, as well as the other dead beat union workers want.
That would be a real fair vote…NOT!
You are incredibly dependent on socialism/communism, a group think attitude, and others you can take/steal from as a way of life. Gee, I don’t understand how you live with yourself. Stand on your own for once.
“Does anyone know how YOU voted in any state or federal election?”
Anyone who asks does.
I am not ashamed of my vote. Why would someone be afraid or ashamed of their vote being known?
JR/BlueJay,
You made my point. Thank-you.
You have the RIGHT to tell anyone how you voted.
You therefore have the RIGHT to NOT tell anyone how you voted.
And that’s as American as it gets.
“so that your union goons can intimidate the workers into voting the way the goons want”
And it DOES happen all the time. Many years ago as a sixteen year old, I worked at a grocery store. The employees voted to unionize (in a RIGHT TO WORK state BTW).
As a sixteen year old, making I think it was $1.35 minimum wage, I had few dollars to spare. Especially because this was during the time gas prices started escalating. At any rate – I declined.
The union stewart pestered me EVERY day, many times a day. I told him all I wanted to do was do my job. I next found myself getting scheduled for the worst shifts (nights and weekends suck for a sixteen year old), pickle jars would mysteriously fall off shelves – and “clean up in aisle 3″ would be called. Guess who got to do the cleanup?
Not a customer in the store and accidents would happen. I worked for a good store manager. I went to him and he complained to the union – but that just made it worse for me.
If they did this to a young kid, imagine the pressure the unionists put on other workers?
Accidents happen all the time, right?
Unions cannot stand on their own. They are falling apart as better educated Americans know what is going on and refuse to give up their wages to support a lost cause. Only in the public sector, are unions viable. And that is only because they can tax us to death to support their members.
Annie you have missed the most obvious – and it has nothing to be with Bortz. Supply and demand. The shortage of grain crops is caused by an increased demand for them. This is caused because of the demand for grain to produce ethanol. Therefore the supply for my corn flakes is less making the cost for these go up.
Economics 101.
“I next found myself getting scheduled for the worst shifts (nights and weekends suck for a sixteen year old),”
It sounds as if despite your very best efforts to suck up and play ball, that management didn’t like you either. They being the ones who set the hours.
You have the right to be a self serving assh%$*&.
I think you should be proud of it and share that rugged individualism with others!
I’m assuming Mr. Way, you also rejected the wage increase that the union negotiated for you. Forty years ago, union grocery store workers were making good wages. Now that the unions are busted, they are lucky to make the minimum.
“They being the ones who set the hours.”
Nope. The union stewart worked the shifts. Management said when we would be open.
“wage increase that the union negotiated for you.”
Minimum wage was a Federal requirement. That is what I was paid. Union didn’t negotiate anything for my benefit. I was kid and this was almost forty years ago.
BTW, the grocery store went broke. They couldn’t afford the union wages which later too effect. All the employees were on the street with picket signs. They stayed on the streets when the store closed. Nice big new grocery store took it’s place. Cheaper prices for consumers too. Very successful business today. Non-union.
“Minimum wage was a Federal requirement. ”
Unions and Democrats everywhere will take this tiny admittance of appreciation from you and graciously say.
“You’re welcome.”
Leonard Pitts is nothing but an extremist with an aptitude for violence.
When two white were tortured, raped and murdered, his concern to their parents was summed up in his famous four wrods, “Cry me a river.”
Anyone who quotes or respects a man like that has already gone off the deep end.
That particular grocery store may have indeed went broke, Mr. Way, but many grocery stores in Kansas, including Dillons, have long histories of being union employers and are doing fine until this day. Once a scab, always a scab, even lower than people who voted for Bush twice.
But given your statements and history, I doubt even that you ever worked in a grocery, or that the incident you describe is any more than a fiction.
“Once a scab, always a scab”
And the above statement is why congress should NOT approve any law requiring public votes on unionization.
Thanks for making my case.
Jesus shat.
AmWay, Union membership in America is FAR LESS then the 18% you mentioned.
Try 12.1%. That’s down from 20.1% in 1983.
People are recognizing that Labor Unions do nothing for them, except collect dues and pay political bribes, er I mean contributions to Democrats.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm
UNION MEMBERS IN 2007
In 2007, the number of workers belonging to a union rose by 311,000 to
15.7 million, the U.S. Department of Labor’s Bureau of Labor Statistics
reported today. Union members accounted for 12.1 percent of employed wage
and salary workers, essentially unchanged from 12.0 percent in 2006. In
1983, the first year for which comparable union data are available, the
union membership rate was 20.1 percent. Some highlights from the 2007
data are:
–Workers in the public sector had a union membership rate nearly five
times that of private sector employees.
–Education, training, and library occupations had the highest unioniz-
ation rate among all occupations, at 37.2 percent, followed closely
by protective service occupations at 35.2 percent.
–Among demographic groups, the union membership rate was highest for
black men and lowest for Hispanic women.
–Wage and salary workers ages 45 to 54 (15.7 percent) and ages 55 to
64 (16.1 percent) were more likely to be union members than were
workers ages 16 to 24 (4.8 percent).
Beber where can you substantiate the fact that Dillons is union? I know several people that work there and are not union. Maybe the meatcutters but I know the bakery isn’t.
“The shortage of grain crops is caused by an increased demand for them. This is caused because of the demand for grain to produce ethanol.”
Germie, dont forget the worldwide drought and shortage of water for crops and people.
You know I’m no fan of ethanol, but until last year, we hadnt had a crop for five years. Drought and freeze, both products of climate change.
Crops have been failing worldwide for years, especially wheat. It’s not JUST increased demand. It’s also decreased supply at the same time.
Economics 101
S&S, yer quickly becoming scroll over territory.
“When two white were tortured, raped and murdered, his concern to their parents was summed up in his famous four wrods, “Cry me a river.”
WTF are you talking about? Got a link?
That’s your opinion, not substantiated by fact. But that’s ok. It makes you fit in with the rest of the cons here…
Only 12% of Americans are union workers?
Thanks Max, I couldn’t remember the exact percentage and errored on the high side to be safe.
Regardless, FEW Americans are union. In fact, almost sounds like the same percentage of Americans not covered with health insurance.
“Unions and Democrats everywhere will take this tiny admittance of appreciation from you and graciously say.”
I didn’t know my federal government is tied so closely with labor that they control the feds actions. Sad if true.
But I’m not grateful. In fact, the low wages were instrumental in my personal pursuit toward excellence and picking myself up and moving up.
By 18, I was beyond minimum wage, and have been far exceeding it ever since.
Didn’t wait for a union or government to seek improvement in my lot in life.
Yup AmWay, Union membership in Government is 5 times higher then in the private sector.
Why do you think Government is so f*cked up?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5553/is_199706/ai_n22336094
Apparently you’re right about Dillon’s in Kansas ksgrm. It’s apparently partially unionized. I’m not going to spend the whole damned day to find out how much and where. As for the “open voting” statements, I don’t think there is any new bill in congress concerning such an action as Blue Jay states. Of course, balloting in elections to unionize should be secret. As much to protect “nay” voters from union members as to protect “aye” voters from management. However, in union shops, non-union members should negotiate their own pay and benefits packages. Or just let management decide. Let’s see how they do.
Some congressman may have entered a bill, but “union vote” and “open vote union congress” turns up nothing in Google news search. I’m not going to take it any further. Got to get my new automated garden complete so I can take off on new folk singing adventures.
Has the time come? Are the winds of change in the air or the smell of complacency? Is it business as
usual in Tiahart’s Congress or is progress being made?
I say it is time for change and some new and fresh ideas. A person that does not carry their needs on their shoulders but carries the needs of the people.
Elected officals should work for the people they represent not their own personal needs. Elected officals spend more time building relationships for when they leave Congress then time working for the betterment of the people who sent them in the first place.
New ideas are needed. Elect a person who has shown they have what it takes to balance a check book, make and meet a budget, communicate to the employees in a positive manner and one they understand and want to follow. Leadership is formed over time, not formed because one is elected. Success in the business world is not a black eye but the badge of getting the job done. Look around, the best leader may be standing next to you?
Anyone that westbound on HW54 will notice a large Dillons distribution center at 215 St W. A few years ago the Dillons drivers went on strike in Hutchenson. Dillons then sold their trucks and now their distrbution drivers are owner operators.
Can’t deal with your union drivers? Get rid of them.
To the Idiot who wanted Union Elections to be Public, instead of by Secret Ballot – you will have to have the National Labor Relations Act amended.
Yes, that same act that gave power to the Unions, also gave power and rights to Individuals, and to Employers.
Some would have Unions become our next dictators.
IF Union Elections were held in Public, then BOTH the Union and the Employer would have the right to stand over the shoulder of the employee to see how he/she voted.
Can you not see the problem when an employee is being coerced by the Union and the Employer to vote in different directions?
Perhaps the Idiot would advocate that all elections in America be by Public vote, so that he could hold a shotgun to the heads of those who didn’t vote the way he wanted.
The true Nazi’s are the Liberals. They are not the ones advocating Freedom of the Inidividual or following the Rule of Law.
At any rate, there is no need to have an open ballot in order to ascertain who is voting pro-management in union elections. Any true blue working man can smell a scab from miles away. Also scabs are the ones who participate in rounds at the bar, but never buy one themselves.
“However, in union shops, non-union members should negotiate their own pay and benefits packages.”
Labor union members love to make the above cry, assuming an association from the “good acts” of the union which pursue higher wages/benefits for ALL workers.
But the reality would be a very sad day for unions.
If management could provide an incentive to workers to stay nonunion – a bigger pay raise might do the trick.
Of course, if nonunion workers DID receive higher wages/benefits – the union guy would whine about that too.
“The true Nazi’s are the Liberals. They are not the ones advocating Freedom of the Inidividual or following the Rule of Law.”
Because the Nazis abolished unions, liberals support unions, therefore liberals are Nazis. Nice conservative logic. BTW, the “rule of law” is the right to peaceable assemble. Corporations can assemble, so why can’t people?
“However, in union shops, non-union members should negotiate their own pay and benefits packages.”
Always have negotiated my pay. Never accept a new job without doing so. Duh!
What, you Union people need someone to hold your hand? LOL!
A couple of comments:
Boeing was beat out by a unionized company in a unionized country.
Your food prices are high because your food is being delivered by trucks that get 6 mpg burning fuel that costs $4 per gallon.
Don’t blame it on the Arabs; blame it on a worthless dollar.
Conservatives are for following the Rule of Law.
That would include the NLRA of 1935. The ENTIRE law is enforced, not just those parts you agree with. If employees vote for a Union, then there is a Union. If employees don’t vote for a Union, then there isn’t a Union.
Again, the Libs are the true NAZIS. Liars and intimidators to get their own way. They would force a Union on every company, regardless of how the employees voted.
They HAVE to lie, you know. There’s no way that America would buy their Socialist Agenda, if it was to be made Public!
Oh, and remember, only 12.1% of American workers have voted to be Union.
Y’all remember who The Forgotten Man is?
He’s the one the Union doesn’t allow to be hired.
He’s the one denied a job by the Union.
The Union can only let so many people “in” their club. There’s only so much money to go around, and it’s not fun sharing with too many people.
Socialism only works for a select crowd – you know, the crowd on the receiving side.
It has been said that Bush is big on loyalty, it is a character trait that does not appear to have worn off on the chick hawks. Feith, Wolfowitz and a couple of minor players in the decisions about the invasion. Are on CSPAN now basically saying that they warned that what happen could happen in Iraq. But it was all BUSH’S FAULT!
The natural inequality of individual freedom (Lessons from Jefferson)
By J.B. Williams
web posted April 28, 2008
America is politically divided down the center line between individual freedom and a so-called greater common good. Half of the country is trying desperately to protect and preserve a maximum level of individual freedom and liberty for themselves and future generations, while the other half is desperate to take from those according to their means in order to fill the perceived needs that they have failed to fill on their own.
Many American voters are struggling to escape the reality that freedom isn’t free and never was. They try to hide from the fact that freedom to excel bears with it the freedom to fail, and run from the truth that although freedom is quite “fair,” – equal freedom will never result in equal outcomes.
http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0508/0508freedomjefferson.htm
“The shortage of grain crops is caused by an increased demand for them. This is caused because of the demand for grain to produce ethanol. Therefore the supply for my corn flakes is less making the cost for these go up.”
That’s a hoot grim. Current AM talk radio propaganda blames alt. fuels for increases in price.Amazing I look out the window and see mile after mile of Kansas land not being farmed.If the need was critical our super effiecent capitalist free market system would spring into action and fill in the gap with lower prices.Seems to me supply is fine, cost is getting out of hand though.
“Amazing I look out the window and see mile after mile of Kansas land not being farmed.”
Two words.
Summer Fallow.
Two more words.
Crop rotation.
Please let me know about this farm land not being farmed. I know some folks who would be glad to farm it.
If you are talking about CRP, that land is set aside to stop erosion. It should have NEVER been farmed in the first place.
Great article Heckler! Saving that one.
kfg,
Make meh greeeeeen tomater pieeeeeee
please.
:)
“Please let me know about this farm land not being farmed. I know some folks who would be glad to farm it.
If you are talking about CRP, that land is set aside to stop erosion. It should have NEVER been farmed in the first place.”
Sure call Hillary Clinton the lady will fix you right up.
Warren Buffet said today that if the U.S. continues to follow its foreign trade policies, the dollar will eventually be worthless.
Funny how most of the blue collar workers that despise unions, seek employment at plants which are unionized. If they are such rugged individualist, I would suggest they go to work for one of the small feeder shops in town where there are no unions, and make a fraction of what they are now being paid.
Voter fraud, a problem frequently claimed,
http://www.npr.org/newsinbrief/index.html
seldom substantiated,
http://truthaboutfraud.org/ .
“Sure call Hillary Clinton the lady will fix you right up”
WTF? It’s a little early to be drinking, isnt it?
I LOVE green tomato pie!
And green tomato relish. Served with fried catfish, slaw, pinto beans and hush puppies. French fries and raw onion optional.
Damn. Now ya made me homesick for Texas again!
“If you are talking about CRP, that land is set aside to stop erosion. It should have NEVER been farmed in the first place.”
And America needs to STOP paying farmers for NOT farming.
I agree with that amway. However, how do we keep farmers from plowing up highly erodible land?
The higher the prices, the more incentive to farm marginal land. That is a HUGE environmental problem. And a water quality problem.
Ya know, I was thinking the other day. The last time grain prices took this kind of jump was about 74 or 75. Right after the first oil embargo in 73 and energy prices were through the freakin’ roof.
Same thing today. Record crop prices following a huge jump in oil prices. The dollar was tanking back then too. That led to stagflation.
And what else did it lead to? I mean besides ronnie raygun?
Farm forclosures in the eighties. Remember when they auctioned off half the county on the courthouse steps. Crop prices were never as high as 1980 until recently.
I’m not a researcher, so I havent really worked this out, but… I hope I’m not on to something.
I hope history doesnt repeat itself.
“I hope the Russians love their children too”.
Sorry, I guess I failed to point out the connection between cultivating all that marginal land, and overproducing which led to lower grain prices. And a strong dollar didnt help grain farmers who depend on exports.
We may not be in danger of overproducing, at least right now, unless the rest of the world experiences several bumper crops. And that depends mostly on the weather.
But we are in danger of farmers borrowing too much either to take advantage of the good times, or to keep up with input inflation.
What goes up must come down. If grain prices come down for any reason, lots of these guys will be caught, again, highly leveraged with decreased income to service their debt.
I can hear the auctioneers chant right now.
And let’s not even talk about what that will do to banks in this region. Something ELSE that happened in the eighties…
When I graduated from college, many of my classmates went to work for the FDIC.
They were real busy back then.
“If you are talking about CRP, that land is set aside to stop erosion. It should have NEVER been farmed in the first place.” – Annie.
You don’t know much about CRP if you believe that. It’s true that a lot of land that should have never been farmed was enrolled into CRP, but who got to enroll what was up to county committees. Thus, in some counties, during the poor farm years, 70 to 80 percent of the land was enrolled, while in adjacent counties, 10 or 15 percent was enrolled. There is a lot of dead flat, fertile farmland enrolled in CRP.
Also if you want to talk about land that isn’t farmed, you could talk about the millions of acres of right of ways and ditches alongside county roads and state and national highways. Ditches are natural collectors of water, and used cleverly, could out-produce adjacent farmland. In addition, suburbia could alone produce all the nation’s fruits and vegetables. It is the most heavily irrigated land in the country, and often the most fertile, since good flat land was the easiest to develop. Houses and streets only still cover less than half of that land, so if we ever got serious about growing more food, we could do it quit easily.
And that’s not even tapping the greenhouse potential, or the potential to produce food in novel ways, such as growing algae, and yes, bacteria and yeasts and fungus for food.
But it will take starvation on a massive scale before anyone thinks of these solutions, which won’t be needed as the problem is solved once two thirds or so of the people die.
Funny you should mention ditches Beber. In Far East countries, it is not uncommon to see crops grown right up to the edge of a road and even in the median areas of the highway.
Sorry Annie, I didn’t see that you quoted farm girl, who is less ignorant today than usual but still pretty ignorant. Yes, fallow and rotation are beautiful things. I see a lot of pale green greed wheat this year, though. When will they learn?
“And green tomato relish. Served with fried catfish, slaw, pinto beans and hush puppies. French fries and raw onion optional.” [KFG]
Hey, thats what our men’s grouop is making for Mother’s Day after Service May 11!! Oh, yea, and it’s IN TX too!! LOL
beber is STILL scroll over territory
Two things:
Farming to the edges of the road cause a horrible loss of living/breeding/nesting habitat for wildlife, to their great detriment. We gave up a few acres to be placed in CRP simply to protect against erosion and to promote wildlife.
And two;
Some unions and union members are okay and not a bad thing, some maybe most are loaded with individuals that can’t make it on their own.
Being in a union would be an embarrassment to me, an admission I’m a failure to act as a free man.
kfg
I think the farmers remember(at least I hope the do) what happened around 1980. They started farming fence row to fence row and went in debt to buy land and equipment. Wheat was about 5 bucks a bushel.
Then came the Russian grain embargo. And the price of wheat tanked. And so did a lot of farmers.
…thanks Jimmah…..
The S.C. held for voter id., anyone surprised?
Frmgrl I’ll take my taters fried with green onion in them. Fried up together. Thats the way we serve this mean in Oklahoma. Oh and along with the catfish we would have lots of crappie.
..and short term CD’s were paying close to 20%…
Just heard that 16 mil. homeowners have mortgages greater than the value of their houses. Funny you don’t hear bush (or Max for that matter) still touting the “Ownership Society”!
Anyone read about that guy that held his daughter captive for 28 yrs. in the basement, and fathered 6 children with her. The 18 and 19 yr. olds. had never seen sunlight! He should be executed, but maybe he’ll claim a religious connection and get backing from the RW.
Boxlock we are seeing the result of planting every little spot on east Kellogg right now. There is a new wheat crop on a little sliver of land right next to 96 going north. A herd of about 9 deer are always feeding there. We have seen 2 hit by cars in the last few days. The wildlife are too close to town and we are farming their natural habitats.
Phantom please don’t try to blame this sick man on religion. He obviously wasn’t attending church unless they held it in his basement.
Phantom I bet those overvalued houses are on the coast – right and left. If you ever watch HGTV you will know what I am talking about. A three bedroom one bath house in LA sells for over half a million i some areas. That is ridiculous and was bound to come down. Values there have come down as much as 35% in some areas. Hence the undervalued collateral.
If you want the price of food to go down,raise interest rates.This will let some of the air out of commodities.
The down side is the increase in the amount of cash required to service the national debt.
Beber thanks for confirming what I suspected.
Personally I don’t think ethanol is a good solution.
“beber is STILL scroll over territory” — ks farm girl.
Then stop reading and start scrolling.
Heckie, you are EXACTLY correct with your 1:41 post.
I remember the Russian wheat embargo well. Wheat, to the DAY was never as high again for over 20 years. No kidding.
I guess we showed the Russians! A real example of cutting off yer nose to spite your face. The Russians just went elsewhere for their wheat, and the international market punished US farmers for decades.
And what are we seeing now? Proposed grain embargos. By other countries this time, but still…
it’s deja vu all over again.
And who knows when the FIRST Sunflower coal plant went on line at Holcomb? And WHO serviced the electric needs of the farmers? Sunflowers members, that’s who!
Oh, and what else was going on in the world back then?
Charlie Wilson’s war.
And we STILL cant get out. Just like the Russians.
Haven’t seen VT posting since registration kicked in. Has anyone else?
Haven’t seen VT posting since registration kicked in. Has anyone else?
“Being in a union would be an embarrassment to me, an admission I’m a failure to act as a free man.” — Boxlock
What is corporate management if not a union making the rule for their own best interests? What you are talking about is losing your freedom and willingly becoming a slave.
The jobs left this country after the unions were broken. How can a working man spew such crap, or forget the hundreds of men, women and children who were shot, massacred and bludgeoned to get you what you have today, and what you are so rapidly losing. Unions represented workingman’s political power. When you lost it you lost your jobs, not because we out priced ourselves in the market, but because we adopted practices which were to the advantage of a handful in society, the rich, or oligarchs. How eagerly you seek to lick their hands.
“stop reading and start scrolling” — beber
This is like the first time that ks farm girl has failed to respond to one of my posts with “beber = scroll over territory.”
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t, eh bitch?
Some Good News for FAIR Voting!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352862,00.html
Supreme Court Upholds Law Requiring Indiana Voters to Produce Photo IDs
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday upheld Indiana’s law requiring voters to present government-issued picture identification at the polls, validating Republican efforts to impose a law they say will cut down on voter fraud.
http://www.kansas.com/business/updates/story/386759.html
I’m sure Tyson is also having to pay out more in staffing since the illegal immigrant crackdown has forced them to look for actual AMERICANS to employ.
Those Unions broke many a company and/or pushed jobs overseas.
But hey, that was YOUR choice.
The court stated it didn’t matter if the laws were politically motivated. Repubs. love to disenfranchise the lower classes.
well, KFG’s also a bitch huh…well at least I’m in good company.
That wasn’t nice beber, shame.
I know one when I encounter one, p.m. They’re like scabs.
Phantom
Posted April 28, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink
The court stated it didn’t matter if the laws were politically motivated. Repubs. love to disenfranchise the lower classes.
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Name ONE voter who couldn’t vote because they lacked a photo ID.
“Opponents also argued that the time and expense of getting a state ID is a daunting process and cite generalized examples of people who had problems working with the state’s Bureau of Motor Vehicles.
But the state questions the legal standing of the petitioners and wonders how onerous can the law be if a major political party, two seasoned candidates and four substantial political-interest groups cannot find even one person injured by it.”
Kansas City Journal, 100 years ago:
April 24, 1908
CAUGHT POSTOFFICE ROBBER.
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Mount Washington Men Chased Him
With Guns Through the Fields.
After discovering a burglar in the postoffice at Mount Washington at 1 o’clock this morning, Orin Shaw, who runs a poolhall next door, armed himself with a Winchester rifle, and with W. H. Chitwood, a grocer, scared the man from the building and chased him across fields for nearly half a mile, finally making a capture just as the fugitive ran into a barb wire fence.
“I saw some one in the postoffice striking a match,” Shaw told Sergeant James of the Sheffield station, who later took charge of the marauder. “I armed myself, and then went to Chitwood’s house to get assistance. Together we went to the postoffice, but the man evidently heard us coming, for just as we got to the front door he broke from the house and ran past us. We called upon him several times to stop, but he ran on north across the fields.
“After we had chased him for about half a mile I fired at him, but missed. We had been gaining steadily, and just at that time he became tangled in a barb wire fence and we got him.”
At the Sheffield station the man gave the name of William Soper. He said he was traveling from Oklahoma to his home in Illinois. A search showed that he had $2.75 in silver, and 45 cents in pennies. This money he confessed having taken from the postoffice.
Still the same 2d Amendment Max.
MaxGrobnik
“Name ONE voter who couldn’t vote because they lacked a photo ID.”
Juan Valdez, illegal coffee pusher
You have a up close personal relationship with scabs? Not that I’m surprised. See a doctor about that Beber.
Time now to put the trucks onto trains, drive them to within 250 miles of their destination, then truck them the final <250 miles.
Borrowed from: JOHN A. MILLS,Topeka
Around 7 one morning, while stopped at the 10th Street crossing of the BNSF railway tracks, I observed the passing of a “double stack” intermodal train en route from Los Angeles to Kansas City, a distance of 1,800 miles via rail. I counted a total of 250 containers that can be unloaded onto truck chassis and could “pull up to the back of the local grocery store to deliver milk” (Zarger- Toff letter, Aug. 27). All the containers on the train ranged from 45 feet to 53 feet length and could have contained any product or been en route to any destination that an over-the-road rig could have.
The train was powered by three diesel-electric locomotives that under load each consume about 2 gallons of fuel per mile traveled. To travel the 1,800 miles they would burn a total of 10,800 gallons of fuel.
Had the 250 containers all been handled via highway, being that all were too long for “doubles” over the road, would mean that 250 tractors and necessary drivers would be required to equal that of the train. If pulling these containers 8 miles per gallon were consumed would require 56,250 gallons of fuel to do what the three locomotives accomplished or a 4-to-1 ratio in favor of the train vs truck. Even at 10 miles per gallon, which is highly unlikely, a total of 45,000 gallons of fuel would be consumed by the trucks.
Regarding fuel taxes, every gallon of fuel the railroad uses is subject to the same tax that the truckers are subject to. Fuel taxes generally go to highway construction and maintenance, which means the railroads are subsidizing the highway system. In addition, fuel and other taxes paid by users of the highways only cover 57 percent of the cost of the highway system, the other 43 percent comes from general tax funds, many of the payers who don’t even own or drive vehicles.
So far this year (through July 15) railroads have handled a total of 246, 114 trailers and containers, which is traffic taken off our highways. This is an 8 percent increase compared to 2005. Hopefully, this trend will continue as the railroads are hiring more train operators and spending billions of dollars to increase and improve infrastructure and at no cost to the taxpayers.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_20060904/ai_n16705541
I’ve pushed the trucks to train concept before.
Reduces fuels consumption.
Reduces global warming emissions.
Reduces imports of foreign oil.
Saves wear and tear on highways and bridges.
Saves whales, penguins, and polar bears.
Pisses off the Teamsters Union though. Won’t need so many truckers, unless they ride the trains with their trucks.
Unions are a good thing, though they don’t favor protecting the environment or saving polar bears.
Funny AmWay, Shaw was a distant relative of mine.
Yup, same ole 2nd Amendment.
That’s right Max.
My Dad was hip to “piggy-backs” way back in the 1960s. He said it was the ‘wave’ of the future, from sea containers to trucks.
Appears to me the issue needs emphasis by the environmentally concerned. :)
Shoot Regular, I forgot to mention that 15% of all highway deaths involve semi-trucks.
We could save 7,500 lives thru reduced truck accidents by taking them off the highways and putting them on rails.
God knows how many children are killed every year by trucks.
Not even totalling the injured and maimed survivors yet! Many of these are also children.
Dang Unions, killing 8,000 people a year with their trucks! That’s 2 Iraq’s every year!
For those who might be interested, I posted the entire U.S. v. Miller (Supreme Court 2nd amendment case) here: http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-427/#comment-338429
“What is corporate management if not a union making the rule for their own best interests? What you are talking about is losing your freedom and willingly becoming a slave.”
Posted by beber
beber,
Corporate management is hired by the owners to do just that…manage the company for the owners. Or they are the owners themselves. And they want it done reasonably profitably. That means long-term profitability, which includes having a stable and reasonably happy work force.
The employees don’t own the company. They are rewarded for their labor (paid), but they don’t make the rules or set the conditions for work except to accept or decline work. And that is why I, and they, are not slaves, we have the freedom to decline. I am free to negotiate something to my liking or walk on down the road to something else that suits me if not happy where I am. I am not entitled to dictate to the owners how the company is run as it’s not my company. In fact I am hesitant to even invest in a company with strong union intervention if it negatively impacts profitability, it’s not in my best interest as an investor/owner.
Got it? :roll:
Ohhhh that was good!
Now spout some crap like “I never got a job from a poor man” or some other such drivel.
Tool.
AmWay, Max: I got no problem with the folks wh caught the Post Office burglar, except this:
“After we had chased him for about half a mile I fired at him, but missed.”
Ooops. That’s a no-no. When can deadly force be used? To defend life of self or another, NOT to stop a criminal, unless said criminal was a threat to others. LEO’s could not legally use deadly force in such a circumstance. See Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1.
Mr. Shaw should be thankful he missed; had he hit his target, he’d certainly the be subject of suit, if not prosecution. And he’d lose.
Fun with stuff:
test test test test test test test test test.
Interesting. Veeeeery interesting.
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Wow. I can be so much more annoying now!!!!!!
GMC, I suspect the rules were different in 1908.
And besides, Soper had priors, and a known drunkard, so repeat offenders were probably handled more severely.
http://www.vintagekansascity.com/100yearsago/archives/2007_01_01_index.html
January 8, 1907
FINE ROOMING HOUSE KEEPERS.
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Sold Liquor in Their Places — One
Ordered to Close by February 1.
W. Q. Soper, proprietor of a rooming house at 106 East Third street, was fined $100 in police court yesterday. The place was raided by the police Sunday afternon and a jug and fifty flasks of whiskey were found in one of the rooms. Fourteen men and four women, arrested in the place, were released.
Rage:
RE: Miller: No you didn’t, though perhaps you intended to. It didn’t take, or in any case, it isn’t there. Anyway, we’ve beat this horse to death before. Heller is due in June, we’ll see where it goes then. One of us will owe the other a beer – how ’bout that?
Then, we’ll get to sit down and share a beer face to face, if you like. Either way it goes, at least that much is a win-win! ;-)
Max;
Yikes!! I missed entirely that that was 100 years ago! Yup, things were different then.
Oooops. My bad!!
Anyway, we’ve beat this horse to death before. Heller is due in June, we’ll see where it goes then. One of us will owe the other a beer – how ’bout that?
Actually, the post is “awaiting moderation.” I guess it was flagged for size.
I’m in Tucson, remember, GMC? But, hell, if you fly in I’ll buy the beer, just on general principle!
GMC70, how’d ya do that???
test test test test test test test test test.
Interesting. Veeeeery interesting.
Interesting. Veeeeery interesting.
test.
It won’t even copy and paste as written. I tried to paste in the Greek work and spelling for ‘Grace’ on another thread and it won’t allow that either.
” Now spout some crap like “I never got a job from a poor man” or some other such drivel.
Tool.”
Okay…it’s true. I’ve never worked for a man that wasn’t a risk taker and reasonably well financed. Until I started for myself, then worked for just a risk taker. Call it what you like…that’s the way it is. I don’t argue with the way things are very much, it’s a waste of time and effort. I just try and figure out how to make it work for me.
Fabulous Catholic guilt…just flipping thru the channels came across a couple women telling stories about their children as Catholics….and the one woman says oh that just goes to show you if you bring them up right in the faith they will never stray from it………
Yeah– way to go for all those parents who failed so miserably and their kids chose their own path!
“if you bring them up right in the faith they will never stray from it………”
Yeah, if it was only that easy!
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