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- By Phillip Brownlee
- Posted April 27, 2008 at 6:04 a.m.
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“What the Iraq war is about” by Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8799
Excerpt:
The more likely explanation for the US invasion of Iraq is the neoconservative Bush Regime’s commitment to the defense of Israeli territorial expansion. There is no such thing as a neoconservative who is not allied with Israel. Israel hopes to steal all of the West Bank and southern Lebanon for its territorial expansion. An American colonial regime in Iraq not only buttresses Israel from attack, but also can pressure Syria and Iran from giving support to the Palestinians and Lebanese. The Iraqi war is a war for Israeli territorial expansion. Americans are dying and bleeding to death financially for Israel. Bush’s “war on terror” is a hoax that serves to cover US intervention in the Middle East in behalf of “greater Israel.”
Moore see’s “Gilligan” as President in 2016?? He is lost in stupidity!! She should not even remain Governor of Ks, and not even be allowed to sabatoge the U.S.A., as “OUR” President. Governor Kathleen “Gilligan” Sebelius 2016?? OUCH!!! On that day I will defect. America is getting defective quickly, as it is. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
TODAY WOULD BE A GOOD DAY TO CONTACT YOUR KANSAS STATE LEGISLATOR AND ASK HIM TO VOTE AGAINST THE COAL-POWERED ELECTRIC POWER PLANTS PROPOSED TO BE BUILT AT HOLCOMB, NEAR GARDEN CITY, KANSAS.
And notice the funny Doonsbury comic strip in this morning’s EAGLE in which Zipper names the four main green house gases, water vapor, CO2, methane and ozone … all of which will be spewed out into the Kansas atmosphere to generally drift eastward towards Wichita.
Along with robbing Kansans of their tremendous natural resource, the relatively pure Ogallala water supply.
And notice the 1/2 page ad on page 6B of the EAGLE listing some of our Wichita area state legislators who are willing to stand up and be counted as opposing these disastrous power plants.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, OUR LEGISLATORS WILL RETURN TO TOPEKA LATER THIS WEEK FOR THEIR FINAL “WRAP UP SESSION.” SO CONTACT YOUR STATE LEGISLATOR TODAY TO ASK HIM TO VOTE NO!
I also see the EAGLE’s Randy Scholfield wrote the main editorial today “Rational, Bremby answers coal plant critics.” Thank you Rod Bremby. As I have said before, the people of Wichita should place a statue of you next to the Keeper of the Plains statue in our Arkansas River thanking you for your couragous efforts to be a modern day Keeper of the Plains for Kansas.
To: JWINK and others. The Legislatures have adjourned as of April 7th and wont return until April 30th. The KPTS “Ask your Legislature” is still on tonight. Jennifer Schmidt is cool. She is at http://www.kpts.com under shows. The show is “Ask your Legislatures”. It airs live on Sundays at 5pm. She is at jennifer@kpts.com Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
Im BAD, it is http://www.kpts.org, not, http://www.kpts.com for Jennifer Schmidt and “Ask your Legislatures” which airs tonight at 5pm, on KPTS8, “LIVE”. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5164
HLP provides more anti-global climate change nonsense: http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5164
What will it take to convince you deniers of the truth?
Apophis posts;
“What will it take to convince you deniers of the truth?”
A lot more than what you’ve got, ha. Possibly someone more credible.
God I love it, the talking head are lambasting the way Obama talks to the voters. LOL It all boils down to, “DAMN HE IS TALKING TO US LIKE WE ARE ADULTS…. AGAIN!”. Unlike Hillary and John whom talk to us like ” see the bunny! Pretty pretty bunny! Ahhh I think he is cute… Don’t you think he is cute?”.
Maybe jesus needs to tell you that global climate change is real boxtop.
Would you believe it then?
Granted that Obama communicates in a way that is meant to be thoughtful, analogical, informational in a way to show the voters his grasp of the problems. That makes it difficult for the talking head to put it into a 2 second sound bite. It is much easier for them when Mc Cain and Clinton stated it this way, “ People are hungry and I will feel them!”. The Problem? How you going to do that Hillary… John? Are you going to pass a law that the government pays for all food and its free? Or are you thinking that there needs to be another tax cut for the top 1% of the income earners? We are either the most intelligent species on the planet or we are not! WE are choosing the person to guild this nation for the next four years. This person will hang their finger over the button, point the direction this country takes in Foreign affairs and signs or vetoes all the bills and laws passed in the next four years. That demands we have an idea of their understand of the issues. Not pretty pictures and platitudes.
See that’s what ya get clicking on Hank’s links Apophis.
I don’t bother anymore.
The debate is over. The deniers are just hecklers from the sidelines with nothing useful to contribute.
Hot damn, Obama is on Fox News Sunday! on right now..
Hmm sounds like he is hanging out with friends.
Here’s why Obama will be a great president, even for the CONs
“How do we get rid of that huge divisiveness in this country?,” a voter asked Obama in Anderson, Indiana.
“The president sets the tone,” the Illinois senator said before explaining the bipartisan approach he’d take if elected to the White House.
“But, I’m also going to try to show this during the course of the campaign,” he added. “Sometimes you take some hits. Even during this campaign, I’ve been taking some hits.”
“One of the things that I learned in the school yard was: the folks that are talking tough all the time, they’re not always that tough. If you’re really tough, you’re not always looking to try to start a fight. If you’re really tough, sometimes you just walk away. If you’re really tough, you just save it for when you really need it,” Obama said.
“I’m not interested in fighting people just for the sake of scoring political points.” “If I’m going to fight somebody it’s going to be fighting over the American people and what they need.”
Oh I don’t DOUBT Obama will “be a great President for the cons”!
I don’t doubt that one bit.
Probably why they prefer him as the Dem nominee.
They are gonna want a lot in exchange Capn.
What and who are you ready to throw under the bus to appease them?
How the US Military is Bankrupting our Economy
The Pentagon Strangles Our Economy: Why the U.S. Has Gone Broke
By Chalmers Johnson
Le Monde diplomatique
Posted on April 26, 2008
EXCERPT…
Fiscal disaster
It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense’s planned expenditures for the fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations’ military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defense budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defense-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history. The U.S. has become the largest single seller of arms and munitions to other nations on Earth. Leaving out President Bush’s two on-going wars, defense spending has doubled since the mid-1990s. The defense budget for fiscal 2008 is the largest since the second world war.
Before we try to break down and analyze this gargantuan sum, there is one important caveat. Figures on defense spending are notoriously unreliable. The numbers released by the Congressional Reference Service and the Congressional Budget Office do not agree with each other. Robert Higgs, senior fellow for political economy at the Independent Institute, says: “A well-founded rule of thumb is to take the Pentagon’s (always well publicized) basic budget total and double it.” Even a cursory reading of newspaper articles about the Department of Defense will turn up major differences in statistics about its expenses. Some 30-40% of the defense budget is ‘black,’” meaning that these sections contain hidden expenditures for classified projects. There is no possible way to know what they include or whether their total amounts are accurate.
. . . .
But there is much more. In an attempt to disguise the true size of the U.S. military empire, the government has long hidden major military-related expenditures in departments other than Defense. For example, $23.4bn for the Department of Energy goes towards developing and maintaining nuclear warheads; and $25.3bn in the Department of State budget is spent on foreign military assistance (primarily for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Republic, Egypt and Pakistan). Another $1.03bn outside the official Department of Defense budget is now needed for recruitment and re-enlistment incentives for the overstretched U.S. military, up from a mere $174m in 2003, when the war in Iraq began. The Department of Veterans Affairs currently gets at least $75.7bn, 50% of it for the long-term care of the most seriously injured among the 28,870 soldiers so far wounded in Iraq and 1,708 in Afghanistan. The amount is universally derided as inadequate. Another $46.4bn goes to the Department of Homeland Security.
Missing from this compilation is $1.9bn to the Department of Justice for the paramilitary activities of the FBI; $38.5bn to the Department of the Treasury for the Military Retirement Fund; $7.6bn for the military-related activities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; and well over $200bn in interest for past debt-financed defense outlays. This brings U.S. spending for its military establishment during the current fiscal year, conservatively calculated, to at least $1.1 trillion.
http://www.alternet.org/story/83555
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The US cannot keep spending such an outrageous proportion of our tax money on the military.
The pigs feeding at the public trough are bankrupting us . . .
Well JR, Captain AND obama started early with throwing the lgbt community under the bus. I think the more appropriate question is “who will obama pander to or sacrifice next?”
In fact, here’s captain’s own words from yesterday.
“McClurkin was a bad mistake on Obama’s part. No doubt about it.
But it was a calculation he felt he had to make in the early stages of the race.”
Yeah. THERE’s something to be proud of!
Captain admits obama “calculated” that he’d rather pander to the african american vote and that he could AFFORD to throw the lgbt community under the bus. And captain not only admits it, it’s his defense and he’s PROUD of it!
Captain, I’m calling you out on this. Your utter ignorance and lack of understanding of the lgbt community and the issues facing us are dwarfed ONLY by your unquestioning devotion to st. obama and pretending that he is flawless.
If obama killed and ate a live kitten on live television, you’d be supportive and right there with an explanation of why his actions were not only justified, but laudable.
Uniter not a divider indeed.
His “calculations” as you so gently put it, alienated a lot of lgbt voters. Not all, of course, as you implied in your simplistic and biased analysis. Dont forget that 25% of the lgbt vote went for bush in 04. And there are those pesky log cabin republicans. Yet another vast lack of understanding that all lgbt folks dont think alike or vote alike.
But poor captain, he thinks because SOME lgbt folks support obama it absolves st. obama of all his bigotry and sins against other minorities. Because some lgbt voters support obama we all should?
Woof.
I just love how you think st. obama is the second coming of your savior. Unquestioning, and swilling all the koolaide the obama camp will pour. And they are pouring it by the buckets.
Just put your fingers in your ears and sing lalalala. Dont think for one minute when president mcsame is sworn in, that I wont be reminding you about your devotion to a loser.
And you wonder why democrats in general cant find their asses with both hands. Exibit number one?
Captain. Whose unquestioning devotion flies in the face of his professed pride in his intellect. Like the democrats in congress, he just blindly follows his leader, unquestioning in his devotion. And producing about as many results.
Your Hillary hating is blinding you. And it’s gonna lead to president mccain. I mean, the best you can do is to cry “bill clinton bill clinton” when ever someone points out obama’s flaws. Obviously, you have been insincere in your defenses of president clinton with the wingnuts here. You really agreed with them all along, but cleverly hid it from us average bloggers. We bow to your cleverness, but your words whining about Bill whenever Hillary points out a weakness in obama just tells us how authentic and truthful you are. Not.
But please captain, you AND obama just keep whistling past the graveyard. I see how well that’s working as a uniting strategy. You think you can win without us Hillary supporters?
Knock yerself out. But everytime you post yer crap about Hillary, you are driving more Hillary supporters away.
Glad to know you dont need us, because supporters like you ensure that we will NOT be voting for obama in November.
I’m about to paraphrase what I say about jesus and his follower christians.
“Obama, please save us from your followers”.
Keep up that uniting strategy captain.
heheheheh. I’ll remember next time you whine about Hillary throwing someone under the bus. I’ll remember that it isnt betrayal or political pandering.
It’s merely a “calculation” on which “slice and dice” of the democratic party is most beneficial.
So… Hillary’s vote for the war was just a political “calculation”.
I’ll remember that, since you think such “calculations” are ok.
Oh, and in case you want to see captain’s scintilating analysis of lgbt voters, check out his 12:51 post.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/putting-a-number-on-racist-vote/#comments
“ksfarmgrrl” –
You’re upset that there was an Obama campaign appearance on the same stage that McClurkin appeared?
Why didn’t you tell us before?
Very interesting: are uberchristian military commanders trying to force thier beliefs on others?
During my military “career” I was called out for my non-beliefs. “Are you an athiest communist,” I was asked by the company commander. “No sir,” I said, in front of the command. “I’m just a drunk like you.” Uproarious laughter. No more problem.
http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/ap_milburn.html
Monkey, your ignorance of lgbt issues is as vast as captain’s. Coincidence?
I’m upset because obama had mcbigot HEADLINE a fundraising event and PREACH his lgbt bigotry for thirty minutes at the end of the fundraiser.
And also marymary and hezakiah walker performed.
Jesus WEPT. We’ve been over this so many times and you STILL cant get the facts right?
I’d call that WILLFULLY ignorant.
But please monkey, keep showing us how you and obama are uniting, not dividing your party.
After all, it’s just “calculations”, right?
Oh, and monkey? ON the subject of willful ignorance…
obama declined to attend the event where mcclurkin performed
Your lack of understanding of the FACTS of the situation are breathtaking in light of how many times the story has been posted here.
One’s too many and a hundred’s not enough…
Hey monkey and captain, you smart boys CAN use the google, no?
It’s a BEAUTIFUL day outside…why don’t we all go out and plant flowers?
Many have very real and legitimate concerns as to Obama.
We are not reassured much less won over by being ignored and ridiculed.
Yeah JR. Obama is barely leading Hillary, which means HALF the party supports her.
So… given the smug arrogance and condecending attitude of both obama AND his supporters, I guess they think they can win without half the party.
Must be all those “crossover” voters like grm who will put obama over the top. After all, that is what these same guys were saying not too long ago.
…and that is what I mean by putting fingers in ears and singing while whistling past the graveyard.
They just dont listen, and they think if they ignore or make fun of our concerns, it will all go away. They take our votes for granted.
Here’s some real heresy for ya. Electing mcsame will NOT affect my life as an lgbt person. A national constitutional amendment against gay marriage.
Check. Already done in ks.
Dont ask dont tell? Check. Already in place.
Etc. etc. etc.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. WTF difference does it make WHO the lgbt community supports if they ALL use the same pretty words and take no actions? You demcrats, if you nominate obama, have already written us off. Just like the repukes.
So… again… WTF difference does it make to me who YOU ALL elect? Oil prices will still go up, obama is cluesless about the economy, and he says he’ll end the war yet…
his voting record since he’s been IN the senate is identical to Hillary’s.
Words. Just words on a page. His deeds, like mcclurkin and his votes on the war in the senate, do NOT match his pretty words.
So what does wasting time on the blog discussing things we have no control over going to do to change things, Jay?
Maybe spending time outside on a beautiful day will make you feel better about all the uglyness and problems in the world….it’s good to escape from time to time. If you can’t change the world, then change YOUR world.
Mother Theresa said it best, “You can’t do great things, only small things with great love.”
I’m headin’ out and getting my hands dirty in the earth.
Mary, with all due respect, I am planting today. Garden, not flowers.
But you know what I’ll be thinking about?
That in Trego, Ellis and Gove counties, where I sell most of my farm products…
…EIGHTY percent of the folks who buy my food voted against me and for the hate amendment.
Make me not want to sell it to them! F em. Skull F em. Let them raise their own food…
I love you Ksfrmgrl…it’s the ones who stand beside you who are the only ones that count.
Happy planting…and I want some of your tomatoes!
“ksfarmgrrl” and “Blue Jay” –
I really don’t want to go into all this again.
You’re anti-Obama. I’m for Obama.
You’re pro-Hillary. I’m NOT anti-Hillary.
I simply think Barack is the better candidate.
And I have my doubts in some areas.
It’s a judgment call. A matter of perspective.
I don’t think I’ve ever attacked Senator Clinton without recognizing that she is qualified to be President and would get my support if she were to become the nominee. I even think she might be able to defeat John W McCain in November.
I think Barack Obama is a better candidate; the one with the potential to win bigger — with a bigger mandate — in November.
I understand one-issue voters and appreciate how one-issue voters are a part of the election process. I saw a poll recently that said 38% of Americans say they would never vote for a candidate whom they consider to be Pro Choice. And there are 38% of voters who say they would never vote for a candidate who’s Anti-Abortion.
Fine. Neutralize all your One issues.
But there’s a country at stake here.
As we learned in 2000, even if you get fewer votes than your opponent, once the system is manipulated you can act like you won a landslide.
I believe the conservative-dominated mainstream media will not allow an eked-out victory by Hillary Clinton to get away with the arrogance of power we’ve seen from Shrub/Cheney.
Back atchya Mary. I’m sure I’ll have plenty of tomatoes, but I thought you REALLY loved the ‘tater salad!
heheheheheeheheheh
Geez monkey, you just cant help yourself, can you?
I am not a one issue voter. I guess you never read any of my other posts?
But this issue goes beyond just supporting the lgbt community.
Obama holds himself out as the “change” candidate. Yet.. he uses the same dividing “calculations” that EVERY other politician uses.
No change there. Same old same old. Throw the gays under the bus, pander to another group. Who cares, right? The gays will vote with us anyway?
Sounds like mcsame. Same bullshit different day. Even his pastor says he’s “just a politician”.
Hope and change indeed. Not this time. Not for my community. Same crap, different color.
But hey, if it makes you feel superior to paint me as a simple minded one issue voter, go ahead. I’m sure every other Hillary supporter in the party already knows your distain for us.
Good luck with that in November. Glad to know you dont need us.
Heh. That SSDD is really obama’s weakness isnt it?
His “change” mantra is just another illusion. More pretty words. Just wait until the entire electorate gets that. He’s no different than any other candidate.
So… what he’s sellin’ isnt truth in advertising. And when the public sees that clearly?
Toast.
Just keep whistling past the graveyard that the voters wont notice, he’s just version 2.0 of every other politician.
change. Heh. heheheh. Heheheheheh. HEE HEE HEEE…
Good one.
I’m headin’ out and getting my hands dirty in the earth.
I love flowers, but they don’t like me. Brown thumb. But I did just finish fixing my lawn mower (Google says “lawnmower” isn’t correct), so I have gotten my hands dirty.
JayBird,
Take Mary’s advice. Get out and enjoy the weather and life. Feeling grumpy is hazardous to your health. Makes you feel all icky inside, when there is so much around us that is beautiful and enjoyable. So forget politics for a while and enjoy your life and your son’s.
Hey farmgrrl?
What is the best tomato?
And this one is for everyone. Has anybody else seen this neat idea about growing tomatoes and other things upside down? I just learned about it and find it kinda neat.
google upside down tomato.
Hey farmgrrl once I have your suggestion, I am going to try this upside down thing. Sounds like double use for my hanging baskets.
Hope those vegetable and flower gardens are protected from the chilly wind. My dog and I just returned from the park where she read and responded to lots of smell mail — bbrrrrr. I’ll wait for a bit of warming before venturing out again.
My daughter, granddaughter and I visited the Farmer’s Market yesterday morning. Next Saturday is herb day — mark your calendars. Even a no-so-good cook like me makes things that taste better when I start with fresh herbs. Even if I just keep them around for the smells, it’s good!
“lindainks55″ shares –
“Even a no-so-good cook like me makes things that taste better when I start with fresh herbs.”
Ain’t it the damned truth?
I’d forgotten that for a few years; settled for off-the-shelf-in-a-bottle sage and stuff until I found a friend with an herb garden. Talk about Thanksgiving! Last Turkey Day I made my grandmother’s recipe for cornbread dressing for the first time in several years with fresh sage!
Damn!
It was like the difference between lightning and a lightning bug.
Same thing with garlic. I’d fallen into the trap of garlic powder and stuff tasted okay. Then I grew some garlic and got back to slicing and mincing the real stuff and it was like discovering catnip or Panama Red or the smell of new-mown lawn for the first time.
I’m also interested in the upside-down tomato plant thing. Not sure what it does except keep rabbits away from the stuff and, maybe, worms & stuff. All my problems with tomatoes in the past has been with fungus or crap. Dunno if the upside-down growing system will help with that.
And I’ve seen the ads for the “8-foot-tall Tomato Tree!” What if I planted one of those suckers upside-down? I may have to add another story to the house so I can hang one of those things.
I had a friend once who grew tomatoes. I mentioned to him that, if he had any extras to give away I’d welcome them.
He looked at me as if I’d said, “Any time you don’t want to fuc# your wife, gimme a call!”
“What is this concept,” he said, “about ‘extra’ tomatoes?”
Some of us are hard core. I’ve become an annual junkie for the Farmers’ Market people who come up with big red ripe-on-the-vine heirloom juicies from the back of a pick-up. It’s almost like buying dope used to be.
I am hard core. I think pigs were born to be part of a BLT. And when a slowly-cooked hunk of smoked pig belly meets Miracle Whip, Roman Meal toast, and a slice of fresh-off-the-vine heirloom… well, God is in his Heaven and all is well and good.
KFG,
As evident by your post, you seem to be the one absorbed with hate.
JR, there is no “best” tomato. It just depends on use or what you like.
If you are looking for a good producer and an early producer, Early Girl is a good one. I’m not too crazy about it because it is a small fruit, so not a great slicer and I cant GIVE them away at the Farmers Market. People there like big, fat, pretty red slicers like Beefsteak, so if you are looking for a slicer, I suppose any of the beefsteaks or Better Boy and Big Boy will do.
However, I’m personally addicted to the heirlooms, especially Brandywine and Cherokee Purple. I like some yellow ones too, like Lemon Boy, but they are kinda small as well.
Last year we grew some Romas and Yellow Romas, and they were really good and SO pretty in the canning jars. I had one lady come looking for them because she was canning Bloody Mary mix. Heheheh.
The Romas are good for canning and paste and spaghetti sauce, etc. They are ok in salsa too. The little Early Girls and Fourth of July are ok in salsa and GREAT for juice. In fact, the ones I cant sell always go into juice or salsa. Same with Romas.
I never have a problems selling slicers and heirlooms
I like little cherry tomatoes too. I like the yellow Sungold and Sugar Babies. Cant think of the variety names off the top of my head. I like yellow pear tomatoes and red cherry tomatoes too. Not too crazy about grape or current tomatoes, and not much market for them here.
I did grow some “black cherry” little tomatoes, and they look like baby Brandywines. Not as sweet as the Sungold, which are still my fave. I can them and juice them too if I’m overrun!
So… sorry no answer to the question of best tomato. If yer only gonna grow a few, I suggest Sungold, Early Girl, and Black Brandywine with a Beefsteak for slicing.
If you were wanting to sell, I’d look for producers, not tasters. But the four I mentioned above are really tasters, not exceptional producers except the Early Girl.
Wanna talk about peppers? hehehehehheheheh!
OMG, too funny. Nathan lecturing me about hate.
Big eye roll.
KFG,
OMG, too funny. KFG posting about others hating.
Big eye roll.
Oh, and btw, my experience is that the heirlooms can be harder to grow, especially the Brandywines. They have absolutely no will to live. And Lemon Boy is not an heirloom variety. I didnt mean to lump them in with the heirlooms. There are some heirloom yellows and I like the German Stripe and German Green too. Last night I saw Bobby Flay make a fried green tomato out of the ripe German Greens dipped in rice flour. Oy. To die for.
But the secret to tomatoes is fertilizer, water and sunshine. Right side up, upside down, doesnt matter. If you give them enough of the first three, and watch the birds and bugs, you’ll do fine.
Wanna talk about onions?
I’m not biting Nathan. Dont flatter yourself that I care one whit about what you think on any subject.
KFG,
You make the fatal mistake of telling me you don’t care.
If you really didn’t care, you wouldn’t post to me at all. Just ignore more.
But you feel the need to tell me, which means you do care.
I don’t care if you bite or not now, you already did.
I’m off anyhow, I’m supposed to be out helping my father build a duck pen.
Thanks the advice farmgrrl.
I can’t eat alot of tomatoes because of the acid.
Too much extreme eating/life early on.
But sometimes I gotta just endure it and indulge.
And sure, any advice you have as to peppers is appreciated. I don’t have enough room to do onions and other stuff. Just planted a bunch of squash and zucchini and cantaloupes at my brothers yesterday. I don’t like cantaloupe or watermelon but the rest of the family does.
JR, in the seed catalogs they have varieties that are supposed to be low acid. You might try some of those. I’ve heard from my customers that they think yellow tomatoes have less acid, but I havent found that to be the case.
I struggle when I eat raw onions, but I probably wouldnt if I didnt eat them at EVERY meal. heheheheh! I’ve got six varieties of onions out, and I will have several varieties of peppers.
Bells in every color, lots of jalapenos, Big Jims, Anaheims, Serranos and Poblanos. I like a few skinny reds, like Red Cayenne and Thai Bird. And I usually plant several Italian frying peppers too, like Cubanelles. I have a pal that grows every variety of Habanero, so I dont grow them. I usually do a lot of sweet banana peppers and some mild cherry peppers for canning. No Hungarian Wax, too hot with no flavor, and too prolific.
And we all grow garlic…
Nevermind!
No duck pens today. So if you don’t care what I have to say, you have the opportuinty to tell me how much you don’t care…
LOL
I’ve never tried growing garlic.
Maybe I’ll try that in the top of the upside down tomato.
Bluejay,
I’m growing garlic for the first time this year. That stuff sprouts up like weeds. Probably the easiest thing I’ve grown, next to catgrass.
KFG would you mind if I sent you an email please?
Hi WE Bloggers: I presented my recent idea for a possible solution to the Middle East/Iraq/Iran situation. My idea is presented in the John McCain thread a few subjects below and was entered today about 12:40 P.M. I would like to read your replies to see if you think my plan is a pie-in-the-sky solution. As I said, it should be better than the “shock and awe” approach by the present administration. The thought struck me as I was recently visiting with very bright Iranian and Vietnamese female students here in Wichita. Please enter your thoughts on the McCain thread so I can find them. JWink
Sure Pmom.
Saw it, JWink. Pretty thoughtful, actually–I have to have to mull it over.
Most intriguing possibility JWink… It has a basis in history, as well as just good thinking… I think you might be on to something… I presume you know who NOT to take it to, as a proposal, right??
Jennifer Schmidt of KPTS, Kansas Public Television Station, just put the “Bullet” in “Trooper 11″. 10 Kansas Troopers have been killed in the Line of Duty in the history of the kansas Highway Patrol. Jennifer refused my e-mails and calls, to “Ask the Legislatures” at KPTS. In this she just shot “Trooper 11″. She could have cornered the Legislation into reconsidering the July 1st Gun Bill. She turned them into a Lottery Ticket. She is sick and stabbed them in the back while sucking up to Legislatures. When she calls 911, will the Legislature show up??? I hope so, the Cops are busy trying to stay alive. please boycott KPTS, support LAW ENFORCEMENT, save “Trooper 11″. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com I support Kansas Troopers above and beyond, a bumper sticker trying to get out of a ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Boycott and Vote None-of-The-Above this Election Year!!!!!!! For the record, I will never pull the trigger on a Cop/Trooper. She just helped secure the other citizens options to exercise this. Troopers/Cops dont shoot Troops/Cops, citizens do!!!
I missed the program. Which legislators appeared on the show earlier this evening?
H.W.: I missed the program. Which legislators appeared on the show this evening?
I have no doubt that Hillary can and will stand toe to toe with the Right-wing conspiracy. That is why the Right wing would want her to oppose. It is the game they play the best, they have to as what issue could they defend? This election Mc Cain has but one answer to all the major concerns, Iraq= Stay the course, The housing crisis = Stay the course, To the Economy = Stay the course. But the question is can Hillary actually resist the temptation to stick to the issues? She will be assaulted at every turn, pulling her into their game. A game that is the only hope the Right has of keeping the White House and the Bush agenda.
So There is the danger that Hillary faces, the Democratic party faces, the country faces.
Wonderful evening for baseball, movies, or NBA
Dear Wingnuts,
Just saw your pig Antonin Scalia lie on a national broadcast that Al Gore brought suit in Federal Court in Florida in 2000. It’s a lie: Bush did.
“November 12
Volusia county and the larger Palm Beach county carry out manual recounts. Since manual counts allow more ballot papers to pass as valid than machine counts, this is good news for Al Gore. George W Bush applies to a federal court to block the counts.
November 24
The US supreme court agrees to hear arguments in the Bush lawsuit challenging Florida supreme court’s decision to allow continued hand counts of votes. Mr Cheney is released from hospital.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2000/dec/14/uselections2000.usa
Justice Scalia just told a boldface lie on national televsion. Does anybody REALLY think he doesn’t know who filed the suit?
Any of you other Wingnuts who claimed that Al Gore was the one who brought the suit–I’m looking at YOU, ksgrm–want to retract your false statements?
And if our resident attorneys could help me out here: in a lawsuit, say, for example, ‘Bush v. Gore,’ isn’t the party bringing suit the first one named?
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Though Gore came in second in the electoral vote, he received 543,816 more individual votes than Bush. Gore failed to win the popular vote in his home state, Tennessee, which both he and his father had represented in the Senate. Had he won Tennessee, he could have won the election without Florida. Gore was the first major-party presidential candidate to have lost his home state since George McGovern lost South Dakota in 1972. Wiki
(chortles)
And the point is??
Sigh,
I knew this time would come.
“INDIANAPOLIS, April 27 (UPI) — Sen. Barack Obama refused a challenge from rival Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Clinton to a one-on-one debate, representatives say.
“I’m offering Senator Obama a chance to debate me one-on-one, no moderators. … Just the two of us going for 90 minutes, asking and answering question. We’ll set whatever rules seem fair,” Clinton, D-N.Y., said.
In an interview Sunday with Chris Wallace of Fox News, Obama, D-Ill., said there have been enough debates in the presidential contest so far, CNN said.
“I’m not ducking one. We’ve had 21,” Obama said. “We want to make sure we’re talking to as many folks possible on the ground taking questions from voters.”
Obama spokesman David Axelrod told reporters Saturday debates have taken up “a full work week of time already … and we have 10 days, nine days left to meet voters in two important and large states.”
“We want to use our time in that way. I don’t think the public is clamoring for more debates,” he added.
Well it sure SOUNDS as if Obama is ducking debate. I call on his supporters to appeal to Obama to accept Senator Clinton’s challenge. MAYBE he can still impress me in debate. He hasn’t so far.
Seeing him in front of more rapt crowds does NOT impress me. Britney Spears can do that.
No moderators. No loving press.
Just the two candidates hashing things out in front of America.
Hey it HAS to happen anyway. Why not make it public?
““I’m not ducking one. We’ve had 21,”
True. And the first one was just a little over a year ago.
But things have changed in that time have they not?
The first maybe 15 of those debates had several other candidates on stage. SOME of them I liked better than Obama or Clinton.
But those other candidates are gone now.
I think there was ONE debate with these two and Edwards. And things have changed much since then.
Senators Clinton and Obama have had what? 5 or 6 debates with just them? And things have changed even since the last of those.
It is a LONG time til August. Does Senator Obama have nothing further to discuss for the foreseeable future?
Mercy, sort of a dead thread today..
Here’s Daniel Schorr on NPR a couple of days ago.
“Who is the real patriot, willing to service his country? One such man in 1963 served two years in the Marines, then volunteered to become a Navy medical corpsman. In that capacity, he helped to care for President Johnson after his surgery in 1966. … And who was that patriot? A young, African-American man who went on to become the pastor of a church in Chicago. That’s right, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.Who loves America?
Jeremiah Wright loved it enough that while Dick Cheney was getting his string of five deferments, Wright voluntarily gave up his student deferment, left college and joined the United States Marine Corps. Wright was valedictorian of his class in Corpsman School. When asked about the sacrifices he’d made, Wright said he was inspired by the words of John Kennedy that he should “ask what he could do for his country.”
And he did that at a time where there were many restaurants in this country that wouldn’t serve him food, hotels where he could not get a room, neighborhoods where he could not hope to live, and whole states where he could not obtain justice. That, damn it, is how much Jeremiah Wright loves this country. What Stephanopoulos asked isn’t fair, because there are very few people who have expressed their love for America as clearly as Reverend Wright, especially when America — then and now — rarely seems to appreciate their dedication.
How about you, Stephanopolus? Does Jeremiah Wright love America more than you? How about you, Charlie Gibson? It happens that you started college at the same time as Wright, and graduated while Wright was attending President Johnson. From what I can see, the two of you love your country so much, that you’re willing to go to any lengths to demean both the candidates and your own profession.”
Search on: http://www.npr.org
Senator Susan Wagle, and Senator Derek Schmidt’s wife, Jennifer Schmidt. I am not sure of the other Legislature. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com They acted, as to the effect, of “Dodging Bullets” Pardon the Pun!!! Weird, is that there is a Under Sheriff Mark Schmidt here in Miami Couty who helped launder guns out of Osawatomie Ks thru the Osawatomie Police Department. He refused investigating the case. See http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=1897 and http://www.wen2k.com/tell.php?Id=1714 . These types of guns are the ones listed for altered use as of July 1st 2008. The Sheriffs Office is still refusing to investigate these problems. Herbert west III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com And for the record, I told them on April 13th on the “Ask you Legislatures” that i was possibly going to run for Miami County Sheriff. I have decided. I will let eveyone know later. HLWIII
Herb, I can understand you have many concerns… But I really wish you would use your spell checker, and work on your writing skills. You might make a whole lot more sense that way, and it really doesnt take all that much effort. Thanks!!
Miss spelled words dont kill, alowable corruption and falsified credibilities kill. All these guns, as listed above, ended up under Klines watch as the DA of Johnson County. And by the way, where is the spell check here at kansas.com?? I understand your point. I really do. I just dont feel typos are that prevelant. Like any and all subjects, opinions vary. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com Thanks again.
Carry on Herb!! By allmeans!!
“Miss spelled words dont kill, alowable corruption and falsified credibilities kill.”
Wow…………………………..
Misspelled words - don’t - allowable ———-
Damn, Herbster, what ELEMENTARY school did you attend?
By the way, there are many spell check programs available for blogs, chat rooms, etc.
Check ‘em out.
So Max brings this issue up months ago, and look what’s in the news today –
Homeland Security to Unveil Plan to Guard Against Small Boat Attacks
Sunday , April 27, 2008
WASHINGTON — As boating season approaches, the Bush administration wants to enlist the country’s 80 million recreational boaters to help reduce the chances that a small boat could deliver a nuclear or radiological bomb somewhere along the country’s 95,000 miles of coastline and inland waterways.
According to an April 23 intelligence assessment obtained by The Associated Press, “The use of a small boat as a weapon is likely to remain Al Qaeda’s weapon of choice in the maritime environment, given its ease in arming and deploying, low cost, and record of success.”
While the United States has so far been spared this type of strike in its own waters, terrorists have used small boats to attack in other countries.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352790,00.html
CF:
I know this is late, but here goes. No, the party initiating the litigation is not always listed first. In SCOTUS decisions, the party seeking petition for review is listed first, no matter which party originally brought the suit.
And the litigation ultimately decided as Bush v. Gore was originally filed by Gore. The decision itself lays out the procedural history:
“On November 26, the Florida Elections Canvassing Commission certified the results of the election and declared Governor Bush the winner of Florida’s 25 electoral votes. On November 27, Vice President Gore, pursuant to Florida’s contest provisions, filed a complaint in Leon County Circuit Court contesting the certification. Fla. Stat. §102.168 (2000). He sought relief pursuant to §102.168(3)(c), which provides that “[r]eceipt of a number of illegal votes or rejection of a number of legal votes sufficient to change or place in doubt the result of the election” shall be grounds for a contest.” That litigation ultimately became Bush v. Gore.
There was an earlier case, brought by Bush, referred to in the case as Bush I, but that case was resolved on remand by the SC of Florida, and the second litigation, brought by Gore originally, was ultimately the one decided.
Read it all for yourself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZPC.html
So, as usual, Scalia was correct. And is it too much to ask to treat others with basic respect, including, indeed especially, those you disagree with? Will you be apologizing anytime soon for your error?
I doubt it.
BTW - it also appears that it was a 7-2 vote, as to the constitutional problems with the recount; the dissentd were over remedy, not the problems with the recount as ordered. Unfortunately, the deadline imposed by Florida law (Dec. 12) made any remedies impossible to be timely.
It’s time to put this one to bed. This decision, and the 2000 election was decided by rule of law, by valid legal process. Even if one disagrees with the analsis, the reality is that the law decided the matter. Part of that rule of law is that decisions, once arrived at, even if we disagree with them, are abided by. Gore understood that, and accepted the Court’s decision. For us to abandon that moves us toward that “reset button” that no one wants to push. Whatever the failures of law (and they are indeed there), the abandonment of rule of law is much worse.
It’s done. Historians will hash it out for years, just as other closely contested elections in history are debated; for example, check out the 1876 election. But for us, it’s over.
“But for us, it’s over.”
Nope, not quite, just about eight months to go until the long, national nightmare is over.
From the above link >>>>
“The proceedings leading to the present controversy are discussed in some detail in our opinion in Bush v. Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd., ante, p. ____ (per curiam) (Bush I). On November 8, 2000, the day following the Presidential election, the Florida Division of Elections reported that petitioner, Governor Bush, had received 2,909,135 votes, and respondent, Vice President Gore, had received 2,907,351 votes, a margin of 1,784 for Governor Bush.”
This information seems to say that BUSH is the petitioner, and GORE is the respondent. Doesnt that say BUSH filed the case first?? The day AFTER the election??
So, as usual, Scalia was correct.
Like when he stated–tonight–that torture was not punishment?
Maybe you’re a Cylon, GMC. . .
P.S. I mulled over your late-nite “analysis” there GMC. A few tired observations.
1) It should be noted that, whoever initiated the case, it was a statewide recount, ordered the Florida Supreme Court, that was stopped on a Saturday, 2 days before the deadline, by a five-justice majority. This is beyond dispute.
2) I saw Scalia throw out that 7-2 figure, and it didn’t make any more sense then than it does now. You previously accused me of misrepresenting the case, for daring to state what Justice Breyer explicitly stated in his dissent (and he happened to be right). You have also, ridiculously, accused me of mispresenting what U.S. v. Miller said, even though, as anyone who saw what I eventually posted can attest, it was written in about the most plain, blunt language that I’ve ever seen in any judicial decision.
So yeah, fine: you want respect for your view? Fine. Earn it. Details, please. I haven’t read Bush v. Gore in the better part of a decade, but I call bullshit.
Interesting editorial:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/25/AR2008042503098.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
What Does a President Really Do All Day?
BTW - it also appears that it was a 7-2 vote, as to the constitutional problems with the recount; the dissentd were over remedy, not the problems with the recount as ordered.
Okay, counselor, call this an amended filing: what does that even mean? Are you saying they thought the recount was peachy, but they could find an appropriate remedy for. . .their own stopping the recount?? Or something different?
And by the way: I don’t think CF2K or anyone is challenging the Supreme Court’s Article III powers. That’s a straw man. Separation of powers issues are quite relevant (albeit, as usual, complex) but, even if the decision was squarely within the Court’s constitutional ambit, the constant revisionism we see these days will not go unchallenged.
Rage
Posted April 28, 2008 at 2:34 am | Permalink
“P.S. I mulled over your late-nite “analysis” there GMC. A few tired observations.
1) It should be noted that, whoever initiated the case…”
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Yeah Rage, rock-solid argument by starting your counter with the phrase “whoever initiated the case.”
The base your argument on “whoever” of which you don’t have a “whenever” or “wherever.”
Ya know,
That’s a “whatever.”
Thanks for the excerpt from NPR Chas…..I believe the Rev Wright is correct in much of what he says…maybe he just needs to find a more delicate and politically correct way of expressing himself so that those who refuse to acknowledge what he’s saying and only focus on how he’s saying it will get the picture.
GMC70,
Indeed: Al Gore did file in Leon County Circuit Court. I am wrong.
And it was George Bush who appealed the decision of the Florida Court to the United States Supreme Court. So is Antonin Scalia saying that the Supreme Court didn’t CHOOSE to take the case and to get involved in a State Court matter? And is Antonin Scalia saying that the petitioner to bring the matter before the Supreme Court was NOT George Bush?
Scalia’s answer frames the issue in a way that makes it seems as if the Supreme Court does not have discretion over which cases it doesn’t hear. This is obviously not the case.
So for Scalia to say that “Al Gore wanted this,” “my hands are tied,” or some other nonsense is a slick ruse to wash his hands of the decision to hear the case in the first place, and in the second, to absolve himself of his role in the 5-4 conservative majority’s decision to force through the results certified by Katherine Harris. The 7-2 doesn’t matter, GMC70: what matters is the 5-4 by which the Rehnquist Court forced through the results certified by a Bush partisan, by insisting on the narrowest of procedural grounds (there isn’t time for a recount) while sacrificing the overriding priority in a democratic society: counting the votes.
And then there’s THIS:
“Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, for the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities.”
If this ruling was such a legitimate exercise of judicial authority, GMC70, then why did it come with the proviso that it was NOT to be used as precedent for any further decision? That isn’t law-making: it’s exceptionalism masquerading as law. I believe this presages the Roberts Court’s contempt for stare decisis.
“Get over it,” GMC70, when a majority of the Supreme Court steals an election and hands it to their ideological brethren? Not on your life.
Until the “60 Minutes” interview, one might have thought there were things that Justice Scalia wouldn’t do or say because they would be beneath him. Then he said “get over it” to the citizens of Florida whose votes he voted to overrule.
GMC70, we will NEVER “get over it.” Maybe you should “get used to it.”
I watched a video this weekend with my son. Napoleon Dynamite. Offbeat, but hilarious.
It had in it a character, Napoleon’s uncle. He was a loser. He obsessed often about a high school football game. If only the coach had put him in the 4th quarter of the championship game, they would have won that game and he’d have gone on to a great college and pro career, and right then he’d have been sitting in a hot tub with a couple of honeys.
outlander,
Yeah; if only the Supreme Court hadn’t stolen an election, the United States wouldn’t be mired in an unwinnable occupation in Iraq, and the budget deficit wouldn’t be where it is, and the economy perhaps wouldn’t be tanking due to the Fed’s failure to oversee Wall Street.
What you Wingnuts don’t get, outlander, and never will get, is that the “loser” (as you put it) in the Supreme Court’s decision wasn’t Al Gore: it was American democracy.
“why did it come with the proviso that it was NOT to be used as precedent for any further decision?”
That’s easy. It is indeed an exceptional case, depending upon particular circumstances and facts. Duh.
The interesting thing about Florida 2000 is that NO recounting would likely ever get a clear “right” result; “intent of the voter” is an inherently subjective standard. Had the SCOTUS not ruled as they did, the recount ordered by the partisan Florida SC would be just as subject to the charge of “handing the election to their ideological brethren.”
This one will be hashed by historians and scholors forever. But it’s over, your whining notwithstanding.
BTW - the Roberts court has no “contempt” for stare decisis, any more than the Warren court, who often overturned previous precedent, did. Stare decisis does not mean “cast in stone,” unless we believe that previous courts are inherently superior to current ones. Would you have the stare decisis of Plessy cast in stone? Is that the respect for stare decisis you have in mind?
Or is it (shockingly) just respect for stare decisis you happen to agree with?
CF
What you REALLY need to remember is that Gore could have had a statwide recount if he had simply asked for it at the beginning. There was plenty of time. And that’s what Florida law called for. But that’s not what Gore wanted, he wanted selective recounts.
GORE effed up!!
move on
“You have also, ridiculously, accused me of mispresenting what U.S. v. Miller said, even though, as anyone who saw what I eventually posted can attest, it was written in about the most plain, blunt language that I’ve ever seen in any judicial decision.”
Nothing ridiculous about it.
And it’s not just you, Rage. Most of academia has misrepresented Miller for decades to serve an ideological goal of gun control. A reading of the REST of Miller makes that clear.
Still wanna make that bet on Heller? Even the legal minds who want the DC law upheld are assuming it won’t be - the DC law simply cannot be defended, constitutionally, with a straight face.
Obama, not surprisingly, speaks of “respect for the 2nd amendment” and upholding the DC law in the same breath. Talk about speaking out of both sides of one’s mouth . . .
“if only the Supreme Court hadn’t stolen an election, the United States wouldn’t be mired in an unwinnable occupation in Iraq, and the budget deficit wouldn’t be where it is, and the economy perhaps wouldn’t be tanking due to the Fed’s failure to oversee Wall Street.”
NONE of which we know would, or would not, have happened. The Clinton administration had evaluated Saddam’s regime much as did Bush, and a majority of congressional democrats voted to authorize the use of military force. BIll Clinton endorsed such a decision.
So the idea that absent Florida 2000 things would have been quite different is little more than guesswork and assumptions. It may have been, then again, it may not have been. We cannot know.
GM don’t shake up their fairy tale world. They need this story so they can sleep at night. Rewrite history.
The failure of Gore to win Tennessee and call for a state wide Florida recount helped him to lose fair and square. He outsmarted himself. Wasn’t hard for him to do.
Oh well.
GMC70,
By that standard, what case would not be “an exceptional case, depending upon particular circumstances and facts?” I think the only “exceptional” thing involved was the majority’s rationale that the Equal Protection was needed to protect one candidate’s interests against the interests of the voters. If a ruling is pre-emptorily exempted from serving as precedent, that tends, does it not, GMC70, to undercut its claim to legitimacy.
What is interesting, GMC70, about your discussion of the “interesting thing” about the 2000 recount is that it EXACTLY confirms the rationale which Justice Stevens, in his dissent, imputes to the five-member majority.
“Finally, neither in this case, nor in its earlier opinion in Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd. v. Harris, 2000 WL 1725434 (Fla., Nov. 21, 2000), did the Florida Supreme Court make any substantive change in Florida electoral law.6 Its decisions were rooted in long-established precedent and were consistent with the relevant statutory provisions, taken as a whole. It did what courts do7–it decided the case before it in light of the legislature’s intent to leave no legally cast vote uncounted. In so doing, it relied on the sufficiency of the general “intent of the voter” standard articulated by the state legislature, coupled with a procedure for ultimate review by an impartial judge, to resolve the concern about disparate evaluations of contested ballots. If we assume–as I do–that the members of that court and the judges who would have carried out its mandate are impartial, its decision does not even raise a colorable federal question.
What must underlie petitioners’ entire federal assault on the Florida election procedures is an unstated lack of confidence in the impartiality and capacity of the state judges who would make the critical decisions if the vote count were to proceed. Otherwise, their position is wholly without merit. The endorsement of that position by the majority of this Court can only lend credence to the most cynical appraisal of the work of judges throughout the land. It is confidence in the men and women who administer the judicial system that is the true backbone of the rule of law. Time will one day heal the wound to that confidence that will be inflicted by today’s decision. One thing, however, is certain. Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year’s Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation’s confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-949.ZD.html
As Justice Stevens concludes, what drove the decision was a distrust of the state judges as partisan. What resulted from the decision has been the discrediting of the Supreme Court as partisan. Way to go.
“What resulted from the decision has been the discrediting of the Supreme Court as partisan.”
You missed the point, CF. Your claim is that the Florida election was “stolen” to take it from the “right” winner. The point is that the “right” winner is ultimately unknowable; under the best of circumstances (and Florida’s “intent of the voter” is hardly the best of circumstances) the vote margin was well inside any margin of error, whether for polls or actual ballots.
I’d be tempted to say that anyone who cannot clearly mark a simple ballot doesn’t deserve to be counted anyway, but . . . .
“By that standard, what case would not be “an exceptional case, depending upon particular circumstances and facts?””
MOST cases are not particularly exceptional. In fact, the SCOTUS takes cases, typically, IN ORDER for them to serve as precedents, and writes opinions with that purpose. While cases are certainly fact-driven, the fact patterns are fairly predictable and the decisions applied to other similar fact patterns; i.e. the car stop search, the Miranda violation, etc.
Florida 2000 is quite different. It was entirely new for the courts to be appealed to on so clearly a political matter (and perhaps the court should have declined jurisdiction on those grounds, deferring to the Congress per Art. I) and involved a fact pattern involving a unique set of ballot problems; i.e. the infamous “hanging chad.” Even had the Court not inserted that line, the precedent value of Bush v. Gore is nearly nil, if any.
“What resulted from the decision has been the discrediting of the Supreme Court as partisan.”
Just a last passing thought - Are you saying, then, that a partisan Florida court is acceptable, while an allegedly partisan SCOTUS is not? Your objection, CF, then is based not on principle, but on outcome. Your objection is not that courts are partisan, but that the particular court you object to here was ‘partisan’ the wrong way.
Partisanship again trumps principle. I wish I could say I was shocked. But I’m not.
For all the Democratic Party whiners, this needs to be repeated again.
Only one other Democratic Candidate has failed to win his home state in a Presidential Election, that was George McGovern.
It is indeed factual and more to the point of the final out come, that if Al Gore had won his home State of Tennessee, he would have won the election to the office of the President of the United States.
It’s that simple Libs, really it is.
GMC, a few brief points.
1) Miller is short enough that I could post the whole thing here (and get yelled at, but still). For you to claim that passage I posted somehow misrepresented the holding of the Court is ludicrous.
2) Haven’t had time to read the transcript of the oral arguments in Heller. I would note a few things. First, a law that outright bans any type of weapon naturally faces a heavier burden that mere regulation. Thus I see it quite possible that you will get 6 votes to overturn the ordinance. However, you won’t get six for the revisionist reasoning you’ve presented regarding the Urdugo case. That would require misrepresenting both the holding and the (mor relevant) dicta in that case.
3) It’s curious that you represent the Florica Supreme Court as “partisan.” How exactly is ordering a statewide recount of a hotly disputed election, using the only standard that was on the books–”clear intent of the voter”–partisan? Even assuming they were partisan, the previous remand from the Supremes didn’t leave them much wiggle room–though, as we saw, it turned out to be s sucker punch anyway!
Now compare that to stopping a state-ordered recount– in progress –on a Saturday –based on the “irreperable harm” it would do. To whom?? Naturally , the person who had been certified 535 votes ahead by Katherine Harris.
And then, of course, declaring, outrageously on Dec. 13 that the time had run out–after their own actions made certain that the deadline was not met. Even if one could somehow argue that Bush v. Gore made coherent sense, stopping the recount was dirty pool, and you know it.
I hope Eugene Scalia liked his job in the Bush administration.
For all the Democratic Party whiners, this needs to be repeated again.
For your information, Regular, I am registered “unaffiliated” and voted for Nader in 1996 and 2000.
Gore won in 2000 but, more importantly, democracy lost.
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Rage
Posted April 28, 2008 at 12:33 pm | Permalink
For all the Democratic Party whiners, this needs to be repeated again.
For your information, Regular, I am registered “unaffiliated” and voted for Nader in 1996 and 2000.
Gore won in 2000 but, more importantly, democracy lost.
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So your one of those people who can’t commit, but is a mouthpiece for Democratic Party issues eh?
How comfortable for you.
Obviously Gore didn’t win - so go back to sleep and smoke more of that Arizona peyote. You’re gonna need it to avoid reality yet once again.
“Urdugo” case?
There’s nothing revisionist about the 2nd amendment position as I argue it. Prior to the revisionism which followed Miller (far from clear, but a vague and incomplete decision if there ever was one), that the 2nd amendment protected an individual right was indeed the accepted view of the 2nd amendment - that “the people” in fact means, shockingly, “the people.” That indeed is a view reflected by the Founders’ writings, the early commentators, and Congress in its debates over the 14th amendment.
It was the overly broad reading of Miller’s very limted decision by advocates who wanted to cover a gun control agenda that is, in fact, revisionist.
And remember, the DC statute did more than just ban one type of weapon. It banned the possession ANY operable weapons. Long guns, to be legal, had to be disassembled or trigger-locked; hardly in an operable state. Even if one had a legal handgun (grandfathered in) it was a violation of law to move it from room to room in one’s own home under the DC statute as written. Let’s not misrepresent the ordinance at issue here.
You “threaten” to post Miller - hell, PLEASE post ALL of Miller. Be my guest. I dare ya, in fact. Then you can explain your reading of Miller in light of the numerous examples Miller cites where “the people” in fact means “the people.”
And no, I don’t “know it.” Please do not presume to tell me what I know. The Dec. 12, deadline, BTW, was one imposed by Florida law, not the SCOTUS. The complaints over Bush v. Gore are partisan, not principled. Partisanship masquarading as principle.
“The People” — En Masse
“The People” — As individuals making up the larger entity knows as “The People”
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