Today, Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola of the U.S. District Court ordered the White House to once and for all provide “precise information” about its e-mail system.
The order stems from a lawsuit by the National Security Archive, filed on September 5, 2007 against the Executive Office of the President and the National Archives and Records Administration, claiming that a possible 5-to-10 million e-mails were either improperly preserved as Presidential records, as required by law, or lost entirely.
House Judiciary Committee chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), in a 2007 address, called such a breach of record-keeping requirements reminiscent of the “18-minute gap” in the infamous Nixon White House tapes, subpoenaed during the Watergate scandal.
The “missing” e-mails cover a 473-day period, which includes the date of CIA agent Valerie Plame’s outing and a string of U.S. Attorney firings widely believed to have been politically motivated. The White House was ordered to preserve all known e-mail records in November of 2007.
Rush finally showing his true colors, and latching himself onto Coulter. Hey, maybe he’s trying for another wife. How many has this bastion of Republican politics had now? Really excellent example for those Neo-Cons kids, what?
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Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is sparking controversy again after he made comments calling for riots in Denver during the Democratic National Convention this summer.
He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens.
“Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don’t elect Democrats,” Limbaugh said during Wednesday’s radio broadcast. He then went on to say that’s the best thing that could happen to the country.
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Limbaugh cited Al Sharpton, saying the Barack Obama supporter threatened to superdelegates that “there’s going to be trouble” if the presidency is taken from Obama.
Several callers called in to the radio show to denounce Limbaugh’s comments, when he later stated, “I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver.”
Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called “Operation Chaos,” the people on the far left would look bad.
“There won’t be riots at our convention,” Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children. We don’t do half the things the American left does.”
He believes electing Democrats will hurt America’s security and economy and appeared to call on his listeners to make sure that doesn’t happen.
“We do, hopefully, the right thing for the sake of this country. We’re the only one in charge of our affairs. We don’t farm out our defense if we elect Democrats … and riots in Denver, at the Democratic Convention will see to it we don’t elect Democrats. And that’s the best damn thing that can happen to this country, as far as I can think,” Limbaugh said.
Later, Limbaugh downplayed his “dreaming of riots in Denver” statement, and said that he wasn’t calling for riots and was referring to warnings of trouble if superdelegates decide the nomination at the Democratic National Convention.
Limbaugh’s comments prompted Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper to say: “Anyone who would call for riots in an American city has clearly lost their bearings.”
The Central Intelligence Agency knew from the beginning that its secret detention and torturous interrogation tactics probably bordered on illegal from the start, according to new documents identified through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
In a filing yesterday, the CIA said it had identified 7,000 pages of classified memos, emails and other records relating to President Bush’s secret detention and interrogation program. Human rights groups quickly jumped on the filing — which came after their own Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking information about those detained.
The CIA also acknowledged in their filings that the program “will continue.” Terror suspects detained or “renditioned” by the United States are transferred to third party countries that allow torture which gives the US a legal loophole to allow harsh interrogation without being legally liable. Such suspects, who effectively disappear, are held without access to courts.
It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they!! United States of Bigots. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.comhttp://www.wen2k.com
It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they! United States of Bigots. Herbert Lynn West III west.herb@yahoo.com wen2k.com
It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they! United States of Bigots. Herbert Lynn West III west.herb@yahoo.com wen2k.com
It keeps saying duplicate post detected when I am trying to post 1 time. They are falsifying this and putting multiple posts to fake a justification to cancel registrations. Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.comhttp://www.wen2k.com
“I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver.”
Gee that sounds familiar, Kind of like when my oldest son hit his younger brother and I told him he was not to hit his brother. “I did not hit him…. I touched him really hard!”. I then asked him after a swat, “Would you call that a spanking or a love pat?”. Maybe Rush should get a spanking for that…. the line forms here people! :>
Too Politcal_mama and others, noone gives positive merit or positive responces here. We give opinions that reflect how we feel the negative side of these subjects bother us and others. Post a positve subject and you will get about 1% responces in comparison to the ones we see now. Is everyone out to get me? No just the spoken of a$$ho(e$ here as posted by all!!!! Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.comhttp://www.wen2k.com
It won’t block spam, per say, but it will prevent outside sources from profiting by posting links. Normally, there is a referral id when you click on a link that pays these scumbags. This google tool blocks any referral ids, so even if people post spam links, they won’t get credit for them. Might work to cut down the fat.
Indeed. Rush Limbaugh’s incitements to violence in order disrupt the Democratic Party’s convention in Denver confirm just what a fascist he is and always has been.
That’s right, Wingnuts: FASCIST. The fascist he reminds me of most is Julius Streicher, publisher of the anti-Jewish Nazi paper “Der Sturmer.”
“For the course of some twenty-five years, Streicher educated the German people in hatred and incited them to the persecution and to the extermination of the Jewish race. He was an accessory to murder, on a scale perhaps never attained before.”
Herb,though I seldom comment on your posts, I do value them. I tend to be focused on the National over the state. So you do cause me to think once in awhile closer to home…Sorry that I have not been paying more attention to your post or at least enough to note there are here.
OK I know its coming, it was just to tasty to not to, a Republican running for re-election that gave a speech to the American Nazi party on Hitler’s birthday! He had said he would speak to any group that invited him to speak. He accepted the invite from the American Nazi party and I am sure there is a picture somewhere of him standing in front of a portrait of Hitler! I just was not going to look it up! Can anyone say “ahhh Dumb azzz move there bud!”
Food Crisis Starts Eclipsing Climate Change Worries
Gore Ducks, as a Backlash Builds Against Biofuels
By JOSH GERSTEIN, Staff Reporter of the Sun | April 25, 2008
“With prices for rice, wheat, and corn soaring, food-related unrest has broken out in places such as Haiti, Indonesia, and Afghanistan. Several countries have blocked the export of grain. There is even talk that governments could fall if they cannot bring food costs down.” http://www.nysun.com/news/food-crisis-eclipsing-climate-change
“Mr. Gore was not available for an interview yesterday on the food crisis, according to his spokeswoman. A spokesman for Mr. Gore’s public campaign to address climate change, the Alliance for Climate Protection, declined to comment for this article.”
Well I guess so, the goon! This was an obvious result of ‘warming hysteria’ from the start.
Where the heck is ‘cosmos’ when we want to hear his take on this?
kansassam
Posted April 25, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink
Interesting Statistics from the DOD. Does anyone have any theories to explain the high military death rates in the 80’s?
Sam,
The military was larger in size back, so statistically you will see larger numbers.
Also, the largest contributor was motor vehicle accidents. Drinking and driving combined with cavalier attitudes of driving too fast for conditions (rain, snow, night time) were responsible for most of the deaths.
If you look at the civilian population, motor vehicle accidents were proportionately higher as well.
From P_Mom
Sol I wish I was a nurse, I did go all the way through school for it, but I am not. I’m merely an aide in that job.
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P_Mom,
There you go. Finish what it is you need to to become and RN. Much better pay scale. Also, consider your location. As I said last night, Florida is RIPE with opportunity for RNs. Great weather too. Head for the Tampa area. Great weather and not too bad on the hurricanes. The housing market is perfect for a buyer right now as well.
Point being, there is opportunity within your grasp. If you choose not to strive for it, that is your shortcoming and not the fault of anyone around you.
‘We in Denmark cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a lawyer who is married to a lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a blonde with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.
Is there a contest here?’
From Junior
And now solie calls me junior.
All the respect is gone fella.
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My heart is broken. I may never recover. The blame everyone but myself, my hand is forever open to gov’t hand outs whine baby has no respect for me. Boo hoo.
Because I divorced a mental case, I ‘failed’ my first wife and child. Mmmm K. You too are divorced junior. The difference is I have moved on, met an amazing woman 8 years ago and have been with her ever since, and become quite successful in my business endeavors. This somehow makes me an elitist.
So being successful and finding love is something junior has failed to accomplish. Instead of looking to himself for his faults, he projects them on to others. Great socialist outlook there junior. Try growing up and acting like an adult. Personal responsibility. It isn’t just for conservatives anymore. Try it once.
Chas, you have been proven a liar by me and many others. Every time you twist and squirm, but never admit it. So what is the point of digging up all the lies you have posted if you still, after being overwhelmingly proven to be wrong, refuse to admit your lies. Mad of God? Me thinks not.
My inner anger, this from the king of caps lock. Oh, there is one for you chas, you lied that your stroke causes your incessant caps lock problem, that just so happens to occur at just the right times. Kinda like the bolding occurred in that obit you posted.
Here’s a real sob story for you. Company loses 700+ million so salary is reduced to only 10 million.
Countrywide’s CEO takes home millions
Associated Press
Published: Friday April 25, 2008
SEC filing shows Angelo Mozilo was paid $10.8 million in compensation and realized $121.5 million in stock options last year, when lender was slammed by housing crisis.
CALABASAS, Calif. (AP) — A securities filing shows Countrywide Financial Corp. CEO Angelo Mozilo earned about $10.8 million in total compensation and cashed out $121.5 million in stock options last year.
The compensation disclosed in the Securities and Exchange Commission filing released Thursday represents a nearly 80% cut from the 70-year-old’s 2006 pay of about $51 million.
The Calabasas, Calif.-based company reported a yearly loss of $704 million in 2007 amid the nationwide mortgage market meltdown.
Countrywide (CFC, Fortune 500) agreed in January to be acquired by Bank of America Corp. (BAC, Fortune 500) for $4.1 billion in stock.
The SEC has been scrutinizing the timing of Mozilo’s stock sales. Mozilo has said he’s cooperating with the inquiry and has denied making any improper trades. To top of page
WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly made Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to conclude Tehran is continuing to funnel armaments into Iraq despite its pledges to the contrary, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday.
Officials in Washington and Baghdad said the purported Iranian mortars, rockets and explosives had date stamps indicating they were manufactured in the past two months. The U.S. plans to publicize the weapons caches in coming days. A pair of senior commanders said a presentation was tentatively planned for Monday, the paper reported.
“You can see the manufacturing dates right on the armaments themselves,” one senior commander in Baghdad said. “These are very clearly weapons that were made in the last month or so.”
AP
“WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly made Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to conclude…”
“Officials in Washington…”
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Because of their many past lies I don’t believe anything they have to say. They have NO credibility. This is their latest victim, the latest place to lay the blame. The sky is falling, the sky is falling…
CF2K,
“It takes around 400 pounds of corn to make 25 gallons of ethanol,” Mr. Senauer, also an applied economics professor at Minnesota, said. “It’s not going to be a very good diet but that’s roughly enough to keep an adult person alive for a year.”
Corn = Food OR Ethanol. Make Ethanol and the corn used cannot be used for food.
Go back and read the link.
I’m kinda with Linda on this one. The administration has been painting Iran in poor light for years. Kind of priming the pump for the next invasion/war.
If the cache was found… what, days ago? Then why are they waiting to go public with it? Seems to me if the data was so damning, there would be no reason to ramp it up, just expose it.
Someone posted a week or so ago about a possible impending military action against Iran. With Cheney’s recent whirl wind unannounced tour of our ‘buddies’ in the region, it seemed plausible.
Given the bad information we used prior to invading Iraq, prudence would be the safest course for the US.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “The persons who have heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly. When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public. That’s not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a ‘wackadoodle.’ It’s to paint me as something: ‘Something’s wrong with me. There’s nothing wrong with this country…for its policies. We’re perfect. Our hands are free. Our hands have no blood on them.’ That’s not a failure to communicate. The message that is being communicated by the sound bites is exactly what those pushing those sound bites want to communicate.”
Bill Moyers: “What do you think they wanted to communicate?”
Rev. Wright: “I think they wanted to communicate that I am unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ. And by the way, guess who goes to his church, hint, hint, hint? That’s what they wanted to communicate. They know nothing about the church. They know nothing about our prison ministry. They know nothing about our food ministry. They know nothing about our senior citizens home. They know nothing about all we try to do as a church and have tried to do, and still continue to do as a church that believes what Martin Marty said, that the two worlds have to be together. And that the gospel of Jesus Christ has to speak to those worlds, not only in terms of the preached message on a Sunday morning but in terms of the lived-out ministry throughout the week.”
Moyers: “What did you think when you began to see those very brief sound bites circulating as they did?”
Rev. Wright: “I felt it was unfair. I felt it was unjust. I felt it was untrue. I felt for those who were doing that, were doing it for some very devious reasons.”
The Bill Moyers interview with Reverend Wright airs tonight at 9 on PBS.
“Just a bunch of rich old white guys trying really hard to stay awake.”
Hmmm…stay out of the public bathrooms, watch for old coots dressed in women’s underwear/clothes, and for godsakes don’t let your children (male or female) near the pervs!
Boxlock a little more on the topic from above. Once again the GWers have pushed through their agenda and the poor of the world have been suffering. Now it is moving up to us all.
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“One factor being blamed for the price hikes is the use of government subsidies to promote the use of corn for ethanol production. An estimated 30% of America’s corn crop now goes to fuel, not food.
“I don’t think anybody knows precisely how much ethanol contributes to the run-up in food prices, but the contribution is clearly substantial,” a professor of applied economics and law at the University of Minnesota, C. Ford Runge, said. A study by a Washington think tank, the International Food Policy Research Institute, indicated that between a quarter and a third of the recent hike in commodities prices is attributable to biofuels.
Last year, Mr. Runge and a colleague, Benjamin Senauer, wrote an article in Foreign Affairs, “How Biofuels Could Starve the Poor.”
“We were criticized for being alarmist at the time,” Mr. Runge said. “I think our views, looking back a year, were probably too conservative.”
At Brownback’s next editorial board, I hope someone asks him if he repudiate’s John Hagee and his bigot ideas about the Catholic Church (”the great whore.”)
Does he still welcome the support of bigots like Hagee? What role did he play in brokering Hagee’s endorsement of McCain? Would he do it again?
This is for WS who was throwing Scalias name around as being against the Bush v Gore decision.
“”I say nonsense,” Scalia responds to Stahl’s observation that people say the Supreme Court’s decision in Gore v. Bush was based on politics and not justice. “Get over it. It’s so old by now. The principal issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn’t even close. The vote was seven to two,” he says, referring to the Supreme Court’s decision that the Supreme Court of Florida’s method for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.
Furthermore, says the outspoken conservative justice, it was Al Gore who ultimately put the issue into the courts. “It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question…. We didn’t go looking for trouble. It was he who said, ‘I want this to be decided by the courts,’” says Scalia. “What are we supposed to say — ‘Not important enough?’” he jokes.”
You pathetic Wingnuts and your strawman arguments: you can’t defeat Gore on what he DID say, so you have to INVENT things you SAY that he said.
Here’s Al Gore in 2007:
“Former US Vice President Al Gore spoke in Argentina aboutthe pros and cons of biofuels as a means to combat global climate change. Gore was talking to representatives of the biofuel industry in a Buenos Aires hotel. He warned that the drive to produce alternative fuels must not create new forms of environmental damage. Recently, it has become more clear that in many cases biodiesel is produced in an unsustainable way. Especially in Indonesia and Malaysia, oil palm plantations have caused massive deforestation. The government is encouraging more forest clearing to meet the growing demand for palm oil.
Speaking in Argentina yesterday, Gore, whose global warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth won an Academy Award this year, said: “Every potential solution much be handled carefully and the danger with biofuels is that extremely valuable forests will be destroyed unnecessarily. “Another danger is that, if it is not pursued carefully, it will drive food prices up.” US President George Bush has announced that he intends to reduce gasoline consumption by 20% in 2017. This would require 35 billion gallons of alternative fuels to replace fossil fuels.
Not only are the concerns in the industrialized world. South American sceptics worry that the production of biofuels from corn, sugarcane, palm oil and other agricultural products will cause environmental damage and worsen the already severe environmental problems in the third world. As Gore spoke, demonstrators on bicycles and wearing surgical masks chanted slogans outside against multinational agribusinesses, saying the biofuel boom will cause deforestation.”
(What’s especially funny is that the story has Bush pushing biofuels, and Gore urging caution.)
Once again: if I were a pathetic Wingnut who had no facts on my side, I’d lie about everything, too. In this case, Boxlock, that the story you cite actually DOES mention Gore’s caution regarding biofuels.
Guess the fact that I called out your avatar, Rush Limbaugh, as a drug-addicted child molester might gotten under your skin a bit, Boxlock. How does it feel to take orders from a drug-addicted child molester, Boxlock?
ksgrm,
You show as much class–and as much understanding of the law–as Antonin Scalia. Here’s Digby’s take on Scalia’s frantic attempt to slam the book on his assistance to the stealing of American democracy:
“Nev. Er. That decision will be hung around his neck like a dead albatross all the way down through the rest of history until the day the world ends.
It proved he personally was nothing more than a cheap partisan hack. He knows it. He even uses the old cheap partisan hack slogan, “get over it.” The court disgraced itself and the Republican party showed the country and the world that they no longer cared about legitimacy.”
Cf and Jr what about Gore do you think is worth defending even when you are proved to wrong. Gore started the whole GW thing and called for biofuels when he was a Clinton underling. So in 2007 he saw the writing on the wall and backed off that position. Too little too late.
As for the election - once and for all - Gore cut his own throat by trying to undermine the election. He did it - history showed him for the buffoon he was. Not my call. Just my observation.
As for your post of one man’s take on Scalia - Well we could have dueling posts but nothing would be proved. Scalia told it exactly the way it happened.
Live in your delusional world I have an 11 oclock meeting and need to be moving.
Prove it: document Al Gore’s support for biofuels in the Clinton Administration. Your hearsay doesn’t cut it.
And, if as is entirely possible, Al Gore DID offer unqualified support to biofuels, well, if John McCain can reverse his position on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE and this is acceptable for him, I see no reason the same logic shouldn’t apply to Vice-President Gore.
All Scalia “told” was how embarrassed he still feels, and how vindictive he is–and you are–toward anyone who says what everyone knows: the Supreme Court stole the 2000 Florida election for George Bush.
MaxGrobnik
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:00 am |
“Hey Boxlock, if a few million people have to starve to death to save the planet.
Well, Al Gore must think that’s ok.”
Max, I sometimes think that’s how Gore and the AGW fanatics plan on saving the planet. Exterminating large numbers of people by starvation, etc.
Ya know, I’m a pretty outdoor kind of guy and want a clean, healthy environment, I really do. I do what I can also. My wife an I, in spite of our ages, still camp and hike the mountains, so that is of interest to me as well as the larger, global implications of AGW if it exists. But we have to be somewhat practical. To cause immediate human suffering and destroy the economy for immature science on AGW is just plain dumb.
Same applies to the western coal plant controversy. Coal is cheap and plentiful, if we need energy, lets use it. Sure explore and utilize wind, nuclear sources, hydro where possible, etc. but lets not harm ourselves until sure of the practicality of it’s wide scale use. Plus we have to be a state of laws and not trendy whims. Those plants meet all regulatory requirements in place, there is no legal basis for denying their construction.
The terms “rational” and “logical” don’t sound terribly significant coming from you, given your penchant for calling anyone even slightly to the left of Attila the Hun a “socialist.”
…especially those who don’t perform the ’sheeple over the cliff dance’ like Democratic Party automatons.
I present Rush Limbaugh as evidence of the untruth of your statement, Regular.
Funny how Republicans taunt Democrats and Liberals with the term “sheeple”, when it’s the Conservatives who have and continue to march in lock step with their leaders, never questioning anything.
Chuckle… It is hilarious to see everyone running from biofuels.
The fact is that there are no easy answers. Nukes are the only real solution. The founder of Greenpeace also thinks so.
“Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.”
“The only viable solution is to build hundreds of nuclear power plants over the next century, Moore told the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday. There isn’t enough potential for wind, solar, hydroelectric, and geothermal or other renewable energy sources, he said.”
A Strong Supporter of Ethanol. As Vice President, and as a Member of Congress, Al Gore has been a strong supporter of ethanol. In 1994, he cast the tie-breaking vote to defeat legislation that would have prohibited the EPA from implementing its rule mandating the use of ethanol in reformulated gasoline. In addition, Al Gore cosponsored Senate legislation to promote and encourage the development of ethanol.
The Vehicle Energy Efficiency Performance Standards Act. In 1988, Al Gore was an original cosponsor of the Vehicle Energy Efficiency Performance Standards Act, which attempted to establish a national farm ethanol program.
Resolution Supporting Use of Ethanol. In 1987, Al Gore cosponsored a resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) should encourage states to mandate the use of alternative fuels, such as ethanol, in commercial fleets as part of an air pollution control strategy.
The Methanol and Ethanol Vehicle Incentives Act. In 1985, Al Gore cosponsored the Methanol and Ethanol Vehicle Incentives Act, which sought to encourage the development of automobiles that run on methanol or ethanol fuels.
CF2K
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:32 am
“Boxlock,
“Serious question: what is your threshold for ascertaining what constitutes “mature” science?”
Fair question…when there are smaller numbers in the scientific community that refute a lot of what is being claimed about AGW.
And when we know the medicine isn’t far more harmful than the problem.
It is a LIE that Gore filed the suit. Bush did. Here is the timeline.
“2000 Election Chronology
Tuesday, Nov. 7—Election Day. Pundits have predicted a tight race between Texas governor George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore, but few expect one of the closest elections in U.S. history. By early evening, it’s clear the election hinges on Florida.
Wednesday, Nov. 8—Gore calls Bush at approximately 3 A.M. to concede, but retracts the concession shortly after, because Bush’s razor-slim lead prompts an automatic recount. He leads Gore by about 1,210 votes out of nearly 6 million cast in Florida. Meanwhile Gore leads in both the national popular count and the electoral college.
An unusual amount of votes for third-party candidates in Palm Beach County leads to disputes over the county’s “butterfly ballots.” A number of ballots in other counties are disqualified because the chad > the small piece of paper punched out of punch-card ballots—did not fully detach from the ballot.
Thursday, Nov. 9—Gore’s camp requests a hand recount of the approximately 1.8 million ballots cast in Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Broward, and Volusia counties, Democratic strongholds.
Friday, Nov. 10—Florida’s automatic recount is completed. The Associated Press reports that Bush has retained his lead but only by 327 votes.
Saturday, Nov. 11—The Bush team, led by former secretary of state James Baker, files suit in federal court to block Gore’s request for a hand recount.”
Quite a trick, copying materials from the Al Gore site. When I tried, a warning box came up that said I couldn’t use their materials without permission.
Did you ask real nice, Nazi?
As for the evidence you present, I said, above, that if Wingnuts have no problems McCain’s reversals for political expedience–such as his inquiries into switching to the Democratic Party earlier this decade), they shouldn’t have any problem with Al Gore’s change of mind on ethanol on the grounds of the principle of double effect.
And in fact, given that in “An Inconvenient Truth,” he expressed the willingness for his family to move away from producing tobacco once its destructive effects became known, it’s equally consistent for him to reconsider his support for ethanol in the light of unforeseen consequences.
What is telling is that Bush still supports ethanol and other biofuels. But then, nobody ever expected Bush to do anything BUT to starve the poor–as in New Orleans.
“Many people don’t understand the conservation work done by the NRA, Izaak Walton League, and other hunting/conservation groups.
It’s a huge lie the Libs tell about conservatives - that we hate the environment.”
Exactly Max, it’s so much easier to hate us, and folks like the NRA, than to find out what we/they really stand for, and how much we/they do to promote exactly what the Libs are trying to force through socialistic ideologies that end up harming.
Sol there is so much more to it than you even know man. So don’t even go there with the ‘if you would only’…don’t you think I would do that if i could?
Do I not seem intelligent enough to try to make that happen?
It appears that WordPress blogs may be the worst hit when it comes to spam. I deleted over 2,000 spam messages yesterday on a client’s blog. All were on relatively old topics/threads, but it’s going the same way guestbooks went, full of useless spam. Do these companies who pay for this to be done understand that, once I see their listing in a spam post, I won’t bother to check them out or ever purchase their product/services?
I didn’t find the rice rationing comment on Sam’s Club website, but I did find the link below to a blog discussion about it. Apparently I wasn’t dreaming. Limit of 4 bags at Sam’s, and Cotsco is also limiting. Perhaps only in CA? Not sure.
Predestined,
Your post of 11:03 am, what spam?
I’m serious, I am not seeing any coming to me, where would it be coming to that I would see it.
Is it spam on the blog itself, or email or what?
Sorry, just trying to understand what’s going on with that.
All I have to go by is what you offered. From what you offered, you are in your situation because of decisions you have made. I can’t justify bitching or blaming my lot in life on someone else when it was my decisions that got me where I am. And also that by making other decisions now, I can pull myself up.
That’s not enough for Lilly Epps, an activist who joined the pastors in denouncing Planned Parenthood on Thursday. She said she was 26 years old when she got an abortion in the clinic used to stage the protest. She said the day has come to get “the truth” out about Planned Parenthood and what it is doing her community.
“I am a mad black woman,” she said. “Words cannot say how angry I am, how ignorant I was. But I thank God I came to the truth
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Keep up the great work Planned Parenthood and abortion providers everywhere! Just remember, the communities in which you do “business” are worse off because of you.
Predestined
Posted April 25, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink
I didn’t find the rice rationing comment on Sam’s Club website, but I did find the link below to a blog discussion about it. Apparently I wasn’t dreaming. Limit of 4 bags at Sam’s, and Cotsco is also limiting. Perhaps only in CA? Not sure.
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SAM’s eh?
What are the bag’s size? 20 pounds? that does make a difference.
A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents had told him to shut up, authorities said Wednesday.
Sam’s Club, Costco limit rice purchases as prices rise
Sam’s Club said it will limit customers to four bags at a time of imported jasmine, basmati and long grain white rice.
Sam’s Club declined to say if this is first time it has restricted sales of bulk foods. The limits affect 20-pound bags, not retail-sized portions. Costco could not immediately be reached for comment on its limits or whether they are the first ever.
“California’s had a pretty good crop, but basmati and jasmine consumers have a history of not switching,” he said. “They could always have bought cheaper Calrose. But they don’t.”
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Posted April 25, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents had told him to shut up, authorities said Wednesday.
Dear Fellow Conservative,
It’s safe to say that we’re all watching John McCain closely in trying to assess whether he’s worthy of our support this November.
Senator McCain’s done some good things in recent times, but he’s also committed some blunders that we, as conservatives, need to pay attention to.
Wednesday was one of those blunders.
McCain asked the North Carolina GOP not to run a television ad that highlighted Barack Obama’s ties to his Pastor of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright.
The ad did not involve the presidential election – it merely pointed out that the two Democratic candidates in the North Carolina governor’s race had both endorsed Obama, and that because of that, they were too extreme for conservative North Carolina. Here’s a link to an article that discusses the situation.
If John McCain is intent on micromanaging the message of individual state parties, and at the same time unwilling to link his potential Democratic opponent with a revealing character issue, then it sheds doubt on whether he’s got the stomach to mount an effective and winning general election campaign.
McCain needs to tell why he should be president, but also why his opponent should not be president.
Seeing as this is a very important matter, we’ve set up a poll at ConservativeHQ.com where you can register your opinion on McCain’s latest blunder, as well as other issues important to conservatives.
Please take a few moments to tell us what you think. Thank you for helping us advance the conservative cause.
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It seems a few shoppers might be speculating that bags of rice are going to be of greater value then the dollars originally paid for them. Stock up now and sell for a profit later as the global food crisis worsens.
Those darn speculators! Let’s tax the re-selling rice at a profit!
I think we can blaim this on Big Rice. Those Big Rice companies are manipulating the price of rice to earn greater profits. Didn’t one of Dick Cheney’s college roomates go into the rice business?
Time for a senate investigation requiring the CEO’s of rice companies to testify why it is that rice is going up.
Are the right wing radio nuts eating their own? Or are they — Laura O’Ingram, Rush O’Limbaugh, Sean O’Hannity — just plain out of touch with reality? O’Limbaugh is goading his dittoheads to riot in Denver? O’Ingram is attacking McCain for telling North Carolina Republican zealots to cease and desist from race baiting? So much for America being a post-racist society.
“O’Ingram is attacking McCain for telling North Carolina Republican zealots to cease and desist from race baiting? So much for America being a post-racist society.”
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Makes McCain look very moderate and very electable.
You will ignore and question the evidence we have of Iranian involvement in arming those people killing our troops in Iraq, but then turn around and think there is a food crisis because a couple of Sams Clubs and Costco’s are limiting the sale of 20 lb bags of rice.
JACK (age 3) was watching his Mom breast-feeding his new baby sister. After a while he asked: ‘Mom, why have you got two? Is one for hot and one for cold milk?’
MELANIE (age 5) asked her Granny how old she was. Granny replied she was so old she didn’t remember any more. Melanie said, ‘If you don’t remember you must look in the back of your panties. Mine say five to six.’
STEVEN (age 3) hugged and kissed his Mom goodnight. ‘I love you so much, that when you die I’m going to bury you outside my bedroom window.’
BRITTANY (age 4) had an earache and wanted a painkiller. She tried in vain to take the lid off the bottle. Seeing her frustration, her Mom explained it was a childproof cap and she’d have to open it for her. Eyes wide with wonder, the little girl asked: ‘How does it know it’s me?’
SUSAN (age 4) was drinking juice when she got the hiccups. ‘Please don’t give me this juice again,’ she said, ‘It makes my teeth cough.’
D.I. (age 4) stepped onto the bathroom scale and asked: ‘How much do I cost?’
MARC (age 4) was engrossed in a young couple that were hugging and kissing in a restaurant. Without taking his eyes off them, he asked his dad: ‘Why is he whispering in her mouth?’
CLINTON (age 5) was in his bedroom looking worried. When his Mom asked what was troubling him, he replied, ‘I don’t know what’ll happen with this bed when I get married. How will my wife fit in?’
JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’
TAMMY (age 4) was with her mother when they met an elderly, rather wrinkled woman her Mom knew. Tammy looked at her for a while and then asked, ‘Why doesn’t your skin fit your face?’
The Sermon: I think this Mom will never forget this particular Sunday sermon…
‘Dear Lord,’ the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. ‘Without you, we are but dust.’ He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter (who was listening!) leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little girl voice, ‘Mom, what is butt dust?
StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted April 25, 2008 at 12:42 am | Permalink
“I saw those photos of Chas in the robe. That was the worst robe I’ve ever seen. Looked like it hadn’t been to the cleaners in years. Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”
Just to set the record straight - a full time job around this place, unfortunately. I showed those photos to James at the request of Chas.
James’s characterization of Chas’s attire is inaccurate - to put it in the kindest terms.
James,
I sure wish I understood your needs to make up stuff. Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?
JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’
James’ Dad said:Son, you dont understand. That isnt what I said.
JAMES (age4) But Dad you said the man waas warned to take his wife and flea out of the city! I heard you say that. Now you lie to me and say you didnt say that!
James’ Dad said: Son I didnt lie to you! You just dont understand. Flee means “leave”
James (age 4) C’mon Dad, I have spent time with Rover, I know what a flea is, and it doesnt leave unless you and mom spray Rover with that smelly stuff. You’re just lying how Dad to make me think you know what you are talking about!
James’ Dad said: Son, I am NOT lying to you. You just refuse to hear what I am telling you. They used different words back then. We really need to change these words so everybody can understand them.
Oh well, another kid brought up by lying liberal parents who just want to change the Bible and God to fit their own needs!!
And you, “Nathaniel,” never cease to amaze me me with your willful ignorance.
You start with –
“You will ignore and question the evidence we have of Iranian involvement in arming those people killing our troops in Iraq…”
Uhm, “Nethaniel?” The issue is that George WMD Bush has put our troops in the midddle of a Shi-ite/Sun’ni civil war. Iran isn’t “killing our troops in Iraq,” they’re trying to kill Sun’nis in Iraq and Srub put our troops in the crossfire. And John W McCain wants it to continue for a hundred years.
But then, the brilliant mind (which might not be severely injured as are 1 in 3 Iraqi veterans) of “Nathaniel” adds –
“…then turn around and think there is a food crisis because a couple of Sams Clubs and Costco’s are limiting the sale of 20 lb bags of rice.”
Since you haven’t been paying attention, “Nathaniel,” look up on the rice shortatges, inflating prices, and food riots in Asia and Africa. (You know, places that eat a lot of rice?)
Sam’s (Wal-Mart) and CostCo are limiting sales because they are afraid overseas supplies might dry up.
Oh, and Australia’s last four rice crops have been wiped out by drought many attribute to climate change.
“Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?”
Funny, disagree with Chas and you are called all kinds of names.
Funnier still, I have never seen where he admitted to be just “Flaming”. Yeah, I heard Chas is just expressing his opinion, several times in lower and upper case.
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StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted April 25, 2008 at 12:42 am | Permalink
“I saw those photos of Chas in the robe. That was the worst robe I’ve ever seen. Looked like it hadn’t been to the cleaners in years. Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”
Just to set the record straight - a full time job around this place, unfortunately. I showed those photos to James at the request of Chas.
James’s characterization of Chas’s attire is inaccurate - to put it in the kindest terms.
James,
I sure wish I understood your needs to make up stuff. Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?
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The robe looked well worn and unclean to me. I didn’t make it up.
Care to be a man and tell Chas what a low life he is?
Or perhaps J R, when he attacks others and talks about their wife or ex-wives and the lies he constantly posts about other posters?
Do you want to be man and tell J R to stop his personal attacks?
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Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:15 am
James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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How about it Steve Davis?
You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?
James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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Problem James — YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how crippled up you are… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???
Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years… however, my congregations have it cleaned monthly… it’s part of what is done… But I wont expect any apologies…
YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how a stroke has crippled you… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???
SPAM: I believe it’s been mentioned before, and also Tara mentioned it upthread. It seems to happen on older threads the most, not current ones, but then I don’t go back and read the old stuff. Sorry, but I don’t have all day to watch and read each post as it comes in, nor is there time to read old threads. Work calls, and I answer. Put in a more relative way: The WEBlog is not my life.
Now you know why my posts are sporadic, at best, and often follow one another.
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Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:15 am
James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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Problem James — YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how crippled up you are… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???
Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years… however, my congregations have it cleaned monthly… it’s part of what is done… But I wont expect any apologies…
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So you see Steven Davis, my assessment was correct on both parts brought for by Chas and previously described by me.
Nathan conveeeeniently forgets that typing the word “you” doesnt use any fingers of the Left hand. Oh well, I suppose he is fully entitled to his opinion.
Ding! Ding! Ding! (I love it when the cons say “you people”.)
Nathaniel,
The topic discussed was food crisis. Although most people aren’t going to buy 100 lbs of rice at one time, there must be at least a few who do. Daycare providers, maybe? Churches? Boy Scout troops for a money raising dinner?
So what’s your preferred topic of discussion? Oh, wait, I know that one! Guns, followed by your interpretation of God and the Bible.
BTW, not that it matters to any of you folks, but it is Not a robe — It is a vestment. Choirs wear robes. Just thought I would point that out. Additionally, vestments are not items that are often re-placed. Mended, repaired, or something of that sort, yes, but not very often re-placed. There is a reason for it, but most of you would not comprehend it, and I wont subject it to your typical sacrilege.
“You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?”
James, I know you are not that stupid. You are missing the point entirely. My point was that it is not a respectable practice to make stuff up. And I think that you are with it enough to know that the only person’s behavior I am responsible for, is my own. I fail sometimes. But I do try to do better.
Stuff someone should have taught you, James:
1) two wrongs do not make a right
2) be the change you want to see in the world.
Guess I got the answer to my question, huh? Very disappointing.
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StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink
“How about it Steve Davis?
“You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?”
James, I know you are not that stupid. You are missing the point entirely. My point was that it is not a respectable practice to make stuff up. And I think that you are with it enough to know that the only person’s behavior I am responsible for, is my own. I fail sometimes. But I do try to do better.
Stuff someone should have taught you, James:
1) two wrongs do not make a right
2) be the change you want to see in the world.
Guess I got the answer to my question, huh? Very disappointing.
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Steven Davis,
Perhaps you missed the post by Chas.
Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years…
It appears I was correct in my assessment.
So it appears Steven, you are more interested in uni-directional finger pointing that actually stating the truth about your Lib friends.
I repeat Scalia said: Not me - Scalia. Not your timeline - Scalia.
“”I say nonsense,” Scalia responds to Stahl’s observation that people say the Supreme Court’s decision in Gore v. Bush was based on politics and not justice. “Get over it. It’s so old by now. The principal issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn’t even close. The vote was seven to two,” he says, referring to the Supreme Court’s decision that the Supreme Court of Florida’s method for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.
Furthermore, says the outspoken conservative justice, it was Al Gore who ultimately put the issue into the courts. “It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question…. We didn’t go looking for trouble. It was he who said, ‘I want this to be decided by the courts,’” says Scalia. “What are we supposed to say — ‘Not important enough?’” he jokes.”
Gore made it a judicial matter - not Bush, not me, not the Florida election board, which was ran by the democrats - but Gore.
“Why don’t you let me take a look at those photos so I can see for myself?”
Given that I get Chas’s permission and you provide me with an email address, I could forward them to you.
The appearance of robe or vestment was not the only objection I had to his comments. There was this little bit of flaming, too: “Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”
I hope that you are not so stupid, as to think flaming and stating an opinion are the same thing. Even you, should be able to see the difference.
Steven, I still admire you for doing the right thing. You are truly a good man. Don’t let this change you.
The other day I asked, “why does someone always need to be wrong?”
What I was really questioning is why do arguments go onandon in an attempt to make someone right and someone wrong? And usually on topics that don’t make a hill of beans of difference.
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It never ends:
Today, Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola of the U.S. District Court ordered the White House to once and for all provide “precise information” about its e-mail system.
The order stems from a lawsuit by the National Security Archive, filed on September 5, 2007 against the Executive Office of the President and the National Archives and Records Administration, claiming that a possible 5-to-10 million e-mails were either improperly preserved as Presidential records, as required by law, or lost entirely.
House Judiciary Committee chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), in a 2007 address, called such a breach of record-keeping requirements reminiscent of the “18-minute gap” in the infamous Nixon White House tapes, subpoenaed during the Watergate scandal.
The “missing” e-mails cover a 473-day period, which includes the date of CIA agent Valerie Plame’s outing and a string of U.S. Attorney firings widely believed to have been politically motivated. The White House was ordered to preserve all known e-mail records in November of 2007.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Judge_orders_White_House_to_clarify_0424.html
Rush finally showing his true colors, and latching himself onto Coulter. Hey, maybe he’s trying for another wife. How many has this bastion of Republican politics had now? Really excellent example for those Neo-Cons kids, what?
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Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is sparking controversy again after he made comments calling for riots in Denver during the Democratic National Convention this summer.
He said the riots would ensure a Democrat is not elected as president, and his listeners have a responsibility to make sure it happens.
“Riots in Denver, the Democrat Convention would see to it that we don’t elect Democrats,” Limbaugh said during Wednesday’s radio broadcast. He then went on to say that’s the best thing that could happen to the country.
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Limbaugh cited Al Sharpton, saying the Barack Obama supporter threatened to superdelegates that “there’s going to be trouble” if the presidency is taken from Obama.
Several callers called in to the radio show to denounce Limbaugh’s comments, when he later stated, “I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver.”
Limbaugh said with massive riots in Denver, which he called “Operation Chaos,” the people on the far left would look bad.
“There won’t be riots at our convention,” Limbaugh said of the Republican National Convention. “We don’t riot. We don’t burn our cars. We don’t burn down our houses. We don’t kill our children. We don’t do half the things the American left does.”
He believes electing Democrats will hurt America’s security and economy and appeared to call on his listeners to make sure that doesn’t happen.
“We do, hopefully, the right thing for the sake of this country. We’re the only one in charge of our affairs. We don’t farm out our defense if we elect Democrats … and riots in Denver, at the Democratic Convention will see to it we don’t elect Democrats. And that’s the best damn thing that can happen to this country, as far as I can think,” Limbaugh said.
Later, Limbaugh downplayed his “dreaming of riots in Denver” statement, and said that he wasn’t calling for riots and was referring to warnings of trouble if superdelegates decide the nomination at the Democratic National Convention.
Limbaugh’s comments prompted Denver Mayor John Hickenlooper to say: “Anyone who would call for riots in an American city has clearly lost their bearings.”
Denver will host the DNC on Aug. 25 to Aug. 28.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/detail.html
The Central Intelligence Agency knew from the beginning that its secret detention and torturous interrogation tactics probably bordered on illegal from the start, according to new documents identified through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.
In a filing yesterday, the CIA said it had identified 7,000 pages of classified memos, emails and other records relating to President Bush’s secret detention and interrogation program. Human rights groups quickly jumped on the filing — which came after their own Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking information about those detained.
The CIA also acknowledged in their filings that the program “will continue.” Terror suspects detained or “renditioned” by the United States are transferred to third party countries that allow torture which gives the US a legal loophole to allow harsh interrogation without being legally liable. Such suspects, who effectively disappear, are held without access to courts.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CIA_knew_secret_detention_interrogation_program_0424.html
Good Morning Webloggers, ready for another day of catfighting, personal attacks, and snark?
Ah, the smell of fresh meat.
It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they!! United States of Bigots. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they! United States of Bigots. Herbert Lynn West III west.herb@yahoo.com wen2k.com
It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they! United States of Bigots. Herbert Lynn West III west.herb@yahoo.com wen2k.com
It keeps saying duplicate post detected when I am trying to post 1 time. They are falsifying this and putting multiple posts to fake a justification to cancel registrations. Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
everyone out to get you Herb?
“I am not inspiring or inciting riots, I am dreaming of riots in Denver.”
Gee that sounds familiar, Kind of like when my oldest son hit his younger brother and I told him he was not to hit his brother. “I did not hit him…. I touched him really hard!”. I then asked him after a swat, “Would you call that a spanking or a love pat?”. Maybe Rush should get a spanking for that…. the line forms here people! :>
Too Politcal_mama and others, noone gives positive merit or positive responces here. We give opinions that reflect how we feel the negative side of these subjects bother us and others. Post a positve subject and you will get about 1% responces in comparison to the ones we see now. Is everyone out to get me? No just the spoken of a$$ho(e$ here as posted by all!!!! Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com
Interesting Statistics from the DOD. Does anyone have any theories to explain the high military death rates in the 80’s?
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASUALTY/Death_Rates.pdf
I still see a lot of spam on this blog, despite registration. Has the Eagle considered using Google’s code?
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/01/preventing-comment-spam.html
It won’t block spam, per say, but it will prevent outside sources from profiting by posting links. Normally, there is a referral id when you click on a link that pays these scumbags. This google tool blocks any referral ids, so even if people post spam links, they won’t get credit for them. Might work to cut down the fat.
JMWalker,
Indeed. Rush Limbaugh’s incitements to violence in order disrupt the Democratic Party’s convention in Denver confirm just what a fascist he is and always has been.
That’s right, Wingnuts: FASCIST. The fascist he reminds me of most is Julius Streicher, publisher of the anti-Jewish Nazi paper “Der Sturmer.”
“For the course of some twenty-five years, Streicher educated the German people in hatred and incited them to the persecution and to the extermination of the Jewish race. He was an accessory to murder, on a scale perhaps never attained before.”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Streicher.html
Rush Limbaugh is a drug-addict who appears to have a taste for purchasing Viagra-fueled child sex in the Dominican Republic.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0706062rush1.html
He also is the most powerful voice in the Republican Party.
Herb,though I seldom comment on your posts, I do value them. I tend to be focused on the National over the state. So you do cause me to think once in awhile closer to home…Sorry that I have not been paying more attention to your post or at least enough to note there are here.
OK I know its coming, it was just to tasty to not to, a Republican running for re-election that gave a speech to the American Nazi party on Hitler’s birthday! He had said he would speak to any group that invited him to speak. He accepted the invite from the American Nazi party and I am sure there is a picture somewhere of him standing in front of a portrait of Hitler! I just was not going to look it up! Can anyone say “ahhh Dumb azzz move there bud!”
writerdog,
Indeed. ‘A picture is worth a thousand words’ and all that.
http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=12532
Food Crisis Starts Eclipsing Climate Change Worries
Gore Ducks, as a Backlash Builds Against Biofuels
By JOSH GERSTEIN, Staff Reporter of the Sun | April 25, 2008
“With prices for rice, wheat, and corn soaring, food-related unrest has broken out in places such as Haiti, Indonesia, and Afghanistan. Several countries have blocked the export of grain. There is even talk that governments could fall if they cannot bring food costs down.”
http://www.nysun.com/news/food-crisis-eclipsing-climate-change
“Mr. Gore was not available for an interview yesterday on the food crisis, according to his spokeswoman. A spokesman for Mr. Gore’s public campaign to address climate change, the Alliance for Climate Protection, declined to comment for this article.”
Well I guess so, the goon! This was an obvious result of ‘warming hysteria’ from the start.
Where the heck is ‘cosmos’ when we want to hear his take on this?
kansassam
Posted April 25, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink
Interesting Statistics from the DOD. Does anyone have any theories to explain the high military death rates in the 80’s?
Sam,
The military was larger in size back, so statistically you will see larger numbers.
Also, the largest contributor was motor vehicle accidents. Drinking and driving combined with cavalier attitudes of driving too fast for conditions (rain, snow, night time) were responsible for most of the deaths.
If you look at the civilian population, motor vehicle accidents were proportionately higher as well.
CF2K
Really…they aren’t NAZIs!!!
Thread creep. From yesterday’s open:
From P_Mom
Sol I wish I was a nurse, I did go all the way through school for it, but I am not. I’m merely an aide in that job.
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P_Mom,
There you go. Finish what it is you need to to become and RN. Much better pay scale. Also, consider your location. As I said last night, Florida is RIPE with opportunity for RNs. Great weather too. Head for the Tampa area. Great weather and not too bad on the hurricanes. The housing market is perfect for a buyer right now as well.
Point being, there is opportunity within your grasp. If you choose not to strive for it, that is your shortcoming and not the fault of anyone around you.
CF JM
Take a pill.
From Boortz
‘We in Denmark cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a lawyer who is married to a lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a blonde with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.
Is there a contest here?’
From Junior
And now solie calls me junior.
All the respect is gone fella.
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My heart is broken. I may never recover. The blame everyone but myself, my hand is forever open to gov’t hand outs whine baby has no respect for me. Boo hoo.
Because I divorced a mental case, I ‘failed’ my first wife and child. Mmmm K. You too are divorced junior. The difference is I have moved on, met an amazing woman 8 years ago and have been with her ever since, and become quite successful in my business endeavors. This somehow makes me an elitist.
So being successful and finding love is something junior has failed to accomplish. Instead of looking to himself for his faults, he projects them on to others. Great socialist outlook there junior. Try growing up and acting like an adult. Personal responsibility. It isn’t just for conservatives anymore. Try it once.
From Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink
Sol — You have NEVER proven me a liar yet!!
Find out why you have such inner anger, Sol
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Chas, you have been proven a liar by me and many others. Every time you twist and squirm, but never admit it. So what is the point of digging up all the lies you have posted if you still, after being overwhelmingly proven to be wrong, refuse to admit your lies. Mad of God? Me thinks not.
My inner anger, this from the king of caps lock. Oh, there is one for you chas, you lied that your stroke causes your incessant caps lock problem, that just so happens to occur at just the right times. Kinda like the bolding occurred in that obit you posted.
sb Man of God…
Heckler,
“CF JM
Take a pill.”
Oh, you mean a Viagra pill, like Rush Limbaugh? And then go molest some children in the Dominican Republic, like Rush Limbaugh?
Wingnuts are fine with terrorist tactics like disrupting party conventions so long as they’re the perpetrators.
Boxlock,
People are hungry because Al Gore fooled them into thinking they didn’t have any food?
Your post makes sense…how?
CF
There won’t be any Republicans needed to disrupt the Democrat party convention. They’ll take care of that themselves.
We’ll just be standing next to the water cannons RFLOAO.
Here’s a real sob story for you. Company loses 700+ million so salary is reduced to only 10 million.
Countrywide’s CEO takes home millions
Associated Press
Published: Friday April 25, 2008
SEC filing shows Angelo Mozilo was paid $10.8 million in compensation and realized $121.5 million in stock options last year, when lender was slammed by housing crisis.
CALABASAS, Calif. (AP) — A securities filing shows Countrywide Financial Corp. CEO Angelo Mozilo earned about $10.8 million in total compensation and cashed out $121.5 million in stock options last year.
The compensation disclosed in the Securities and Exchange Commission filing released Thursday represents a nearly 80% cut from the 70-year-old’s 2006 pay of about $51 million.
The Calabasas, Calif.-based company reported a yearly loss of $704 million in 2007 amid the nationwide mortgage market meltdown.
Countrywide (CFC, Fortune 500) agreed in January to be acquired by Bank of America Corp. (BAC, Fortune 500) for $4.1 billion in stock.
The SEC has been scrutinizing the timing of Mozilo’s stock sales. Mozilo has said he’s cooperating with the inquiry and has denied making any improper trades. To top of page
<b?Proof that Iran is supplying Weapons in Iraq
WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly made Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to conclude Tehran is continuing to funnel armaments into Iraq despite its pledges to the contrary, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday.
Officials in Washington and Baghdad said the purported Iranian mortars, rockets and explosives had date stamps indicating they were manufactured in the past two months. The U.S. plans to publicize the weapons caches in coming days. A pair of senior commanders said a presentation was tentatively planned for Monday, the paper reported.
“You can see the manufacturing dates right on the armaments themselves,” one senior commander in Baghdad said. “These are very clearly weapons that were made in the last month or so.”
AP
“WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly made Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to conclude…”
“Officials in Washington…”
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Because of their many past lies I don’t believe anything they have to say. They have NO credibility. This is their latest victim, the latest place to lay the blame. The sky is falling, the sky is falling…
Yeah lindainks, everyone lies - especially those who don’t perform the ’sheeple over the cliff dance’ like Democratic Party automatons.
““There won’t be riots at our convention,”
The (GOP convention)
Or cameras. Or reporters. Or any media.
Just a bunch of rich old white guys trying really hard to stay awake.
Do these newly found weapons have…
“Made in Iran”
printed on them….in English?
Like the last bunch of “Iranian” weapons?
CF2K,
“It takes around 400 pounds of corn to make 25 gallons of ethanol,” Mr. Senauer, also an applied economics professor at Minnesota, said. “It’s not going to be a very good diet but that’s roughly enough to keep an adult person alive for a year.”
Corn = Food OR Ethanol. Make Ethanol and the corn used cannot be used for food.
Go back and read the link.
I’m kinda with Linda on this one. The administration has been painting Iran in poor light for years. Kind of priming the pump for the next invasion/war.
If the cache was found… what, days ago? Then why are they waiting to go public with it? Seems to me if the data was so damning, there would be no reason to ramp it up, just expose it.
Someone posted a week or so ago about a possible impending military action against Iran. With Cheney’s recent whirl wind unannounced tour of our ‘buddies’ in the region, it seemed plausible.
Given the bad information we used prior to invading Iraq, prudence would be the safest course for the US.
So Sol,
You agree with lindainks and really don’t care if Iran is supplying weapons to Iraqi insurgents to kill our troops.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “The persons who have heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly. When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public. That’s not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a ‘wackadoodle.’ It’s to paint me as something: ‘Something’s wrong with me. There’s nothing wrong with this country…for its policies. We’re perfect. Our hands are free. Our hands have no blood on them.’ That’s not a failure to communicate. The message that is being communicated by the sound bites is exactly what those pushing those sound bites want to communicate.”
Bill Moyers: “What do you think they wanted to communicate?”
Rev. Wright: “I think they wanted to communicate that I am unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ. And by the way, guess who goes to his church, hint, hint, hint? That’s what they wanted to communicate. They know nothing about the church. They know nothing about our prison ministry. They know nothing about our food ministry. They know nothing about our senior citizens home. They know nothing about all we try to do as a church and have tried to do, and still continue to do as a church that believes what Martin Marty said, that the two worlds have to be together. And that the gospel of Jesus Christ has to speak to those worlds, not only in terms of the preached message on a Sunday morning but in terms of the lived-out ministry throughout the week.”
Moyers: “What did you think when you began to see those very brief sound bites circulating as they did?”
Rev. Wright: “I felt it was unfair. I felt it was unjust. I felt it was untrue. I felt for those who were doing that, were doing it for some very devious reasons.”
The Bill Moyers interview with Reverend Wright airs tonight at 9 on PBS.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/25/headlines#1
“Just a bunch of rich old white guys trying really hard to stay awake.”
Hmmm…stay out of the public bathrooms, watch for old coots dressed in women’s underwear/clothes, and for godsakes don’t let your children (male or female) near the pervs!
I agree with Linda that we should proceed with caution. If our troops weren’t there, they couldn’t be killed with Iranian weapons.
Boxlock a little more on the topic from above. Once again the GWers have pushed through their agenda and the poor of the world have been suffering. Now it is moving up to us all.
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“One factor being blamed for the price hikes is the use of government subsidies to promote the use of corn for ethanol production. An estimated 30% of America’s corn crop now goes to fuel, not food.
“I don’t think anybody knows precisely how much ethanol contributes to the run-up in food prices, but the contribution is clearly substantial,” a professor of applied economics and law at the University of Minnesota, C. Ford Runge, said. A study by a Washington think tank, the International Food Policy Research Institute, indicated that between a quarter and a third of the recent hike in commodities prices is attributable to biofuels.
Last year, Mr. Runge and a colleague, Benjamin Senauer, wrote an article in Foreign Affairs, “How Biofuels Could Starve the Poor.”
“We were criticized for being alarmist at the time,” Mr. Runge said. “I think our views, looking back a year, were probably too conservative.”
http://www.nysun.com/news/food-crisis-eclipsing-climate-change
Where is Cosmos when we need him to explain how this is fake science and not peer reviewed.
At Brownback’s next editorial board, I hope someone asks him if he repudiate’s John Hagee and his bigot ideas about the Catholic Church (”the great whore.”)
Does he still welcome the support of bigots like Hagee? What role did he play in brokering Hagee’s endorsement of McCain? Would he do it again?
This is for WS who was throwing Scalias name around as being against the Bush v Gore decision.
“”I say nonsense,” Scalia responds to Stahl’s observation that people say the Supreme Court’s decision in Gore v. Bush was based on politics and not justice. “Get over it. It’s so old by now. The principal issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn’t even close. The vote was seven to two,” he says, referring to the Supreme Court’s decision that the Supreme Court of Florida’s method for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.
Furthermore, says the outspoken conservative justice, it was Al Gore who ultimately put the issue into the courts. “It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question…. We didn’t go looking for trouble. It was he who said, ‘I want this to be decided by the courts,’” says Scalia. “What are we supposed to say — ‘Not important enough?’” he jokes.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/24/60minutes/main4040290.shtml
As I said the other day “Get over it”.
Hey Boxlock, if a few million people have to starve to death to save the planet.
Well, Al Gore must think that’s ok.
Hey old rich lady?
“As I said the other day “Get over it”.
Never.
My hatred for you and your party over that decision will linger even after you are decomposing (faster than now) in the grave.
ksgrm, Posted April 25, 2008 at 9:47 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-425/#comment-337003
AGREED!!!
Say Dave, you ever work for a company that had an operating loss?
They cut your pay by 80%?
My hatred for you and your party over that decision will linger even after you are decomposing (faster than now) in the grave.
What an absolutely vile individual. You should really seek help for your anger issues.
You pathetic Wingnuts and your strawman arguments: you can’t defeat Gore on what he DID say, so you have to INVENT things you SAY that he said.
Here’s Al Gore in 2007:
“Former US Vice President Al Gore spoke in Argentina aboutthe pros and cons of biofuels as a means to combat global climate change. Gore was talking to representatives of the biofuel industry in a Buenos Aires hotel. He warned that the drive to produce alternative fuels must not create new forms of environmental damage. Recently, it has become more clear that in many cases biodiesel is produced in an unsustainable way. Especially in Indonesia and Malaysia, oil palm plantations have caused massive deforestation. The government is encouraging more forest clearing to meet the growing demand for palm oil.
Speaking in Argentina yesterday, Gore, whose global warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth won an Academy Award this year, said: “Every potential solution much be handled carefully and the danger with biofuels is that extremely valuable forests will be destroyed unnecessarily. “Another danger is that, if it is not pursued carefully, it will drive food prices up.” US President George Bush has announced that he intends to reduce gasoline consumption by 20% in 2017. This would require 35 billion gallons of alternative fuels to replace fossil fuels.
Not only are the concerns in the industrialized world. South American sceptics worry that the production of biofuels from corn, sugarcane, palm oil and other agricultural products will cause environmental damage and worsen the already severe environmental problems in the third world. As Gore spoke, demonstrators on bicycles and wearing surgical masks chanted slogans outside against multinational agribusinesses, saying the biofuel boom will cause deforestation.”
http://www.energyportal.eu/news/biomass/al-gore-warns-against-negative-effects-of-biofuels.html
(What’s especially funny is that the story has Bush pushing biofuels, and Gore urging caution.)
Once again: if I were a pathetic Wingnut who had no facts on my side, I’d lie about everything, too. In this case, Boxlock, that the story you cite actually DOES mention Gore’s caution regarding biofuels.
Guess the fact that I called out your avatar, Rush Limbaugh, as a drug-addicted child molester might gotten under your skin a bit, Boxlock. How does it feel to take orders from a drug-addicted child molester, Boxlock?
ksgrm,
You show as much class–and as much understanding of the law–as Antonin Scalia. Here’s Digby’s take on Scalia’s frantic attempt to slam the book on his assistance to the stealing of American democracy:
“Nev. Er. That decision will be hung around his neck like a dead albatross all the way down through the rest of history until the day the world ends.
It proved he personally was nothing more than a cheap partisan hack. He knows it. He even uses the old cheap partisan hack slogan, “get over it.” The court disgraced itself and the Republican party showed the country and the world that they no longer cared about legitimacy.”
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
Scum defends scum.
Dear Nazi,
Al Gore doesn’t think that. But you DO seem to be OK with starving to death a few BILLION people so you can be rich.
Nazi. Do you take viagra and molest children like Rush Limbaugh?
Ah, the beloved Nazi routine by CFUK’R.
We have Chas’s lies, and JR’s/CF’s absurd, hateful, and jealous personal attacks.
Cf and Jr what about Gore do you think is worth defending even when you are proved to wrong. Gore started the whole GW thing and called for biofuels when he was a Clinton underling. So in 2007 he saw the writing on the wall and backed off that position. Too little too late.
As for the election - once and for all - Gore cut his own throat by trying to undermine the election. He did it - history showed him for the buffoon he was. Not my call. Just my observation.
As for your post of one man’s take on Scalia - Well we could have dueling posts but nothing would be proved. Scalia told it exactly the way it happened.
Live in your delusional world I have an 11 oclock meeting and need to be moving.
Dear Nazi,
And we have your hateful ad hominems, inability to mount a response, and refusal to take responsibilty for your own words and actions.
Be a man, MG: stop being a Nazi.
Good post at 10:21 KSgrm. I expect to see a very rational and logical rebuttal from the Left now.
(cough, cough)
ksgrm,
Prove it: document Al Gore’s support for biofuels in the Clinton Administration. Your hearsay doesn’t cut it.
And, if as is entirely possible, Al Gore DID offer unqualified support to biofuels, well, if John McCain can reverse his position on EVERY SINGLE ISSUE and this is acceptable for him, I see no reason the same logic shouldn’t apply to Vice-President Gore.
All Scalia “told” was how embarrassed he still feels, and how vindictive he is–and you are–toward anyone who says what everyone knows: the Supreme Court stole the 2000 Florida election for George Bush.
MaxGrobnik
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:00 am |
“Hey Boxlock, if a few million people have to starve to death to save the planet.
Well, Al Gore must think that’s ok.”
Max, I sometimes think that’s how Gore and the AGW fanatics plan on saving the planet. Exterminating large numbers of people by starvation, etc.
Ya know, I’m a pretty outdoor kind of guy and want a clean, healthy environment, I really do. I do what I can also. My wife an I, in spite of our ages, still camp and hike the mountains, so that is of interest to me as well as the larger, global implications of AGW if it exists. But we have to be somewhat practical. To cause immediate human suffering and destroy the economy for immature science on AGW is just plain dumb.
Same applies to the western coal plant controversy. Coal is cheap and plentiful, if we need energy, lets use it. Sure explore and utilize wind, nuclear sources, hydro where possible, etc. but lets not harm ourselves until sure of the practicality of it’s wide scale use. Plus we have to be a state of laws and not trendy whims. Those plants meet all regulatory requirements in place, there is no legal basis for denying their construction.
Dear Nazi,
The terms “rational” and “logical” don’t sound terribly significant coming from you, given your penchant for calling anyone even slightly to the left of Attila the Hun a “socialist.”
Boxlock,
Serious question: what is your threshold for ascertaining what constitutes “mature” science?
…especially those who don’t perform the ’sheeple over the cliff dance’ like Democratic Party automatons.
I present Rush Limbaugh as evidence of the untruth of your statement, Regular.
Funny how Republicans taunt Democrats and Liberals with the term “sheeple”, when it’s the Conservatives who have and continue to march in lock step with their leaders, never questioning anything.
Sol,
What possessed you to bring your childish bickering with JR to today’s Open Thread?
You both need a time out in the corner.
Looks like all commodities are getting in on the action, and going through the roof. Not just bio fuel crops.
group think, mob rule, hysteria incited by their heroes like rush…
Predestined
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:35 am | Permalink
Can you just spank me instead?
Chuckle… It is hilarious to see everyone running from biofuels.
The fact is that there are no easy answers. Nukes are the only real solution. The founder of Greenpeace also thinks so.
“Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power - a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.”
“The only viable solution is to build hundreds of nuclear power plants over the next century, Moore told the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday. There isn’t enough potential for wind, solar, hydroelectric, and geothermal or other renewable energy sources, he said.”
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/360625.html
“Those plants meet all regulatory requirements in place, there is no legal basis for denying their construction.”
Except that the people of Kansas do not need or want them.
I love it!
Max and ksgrm, you’re beating them up like they are rabid dogs.
Gore was instrumental in pushing America’s ethanol production and the burning of the worlds food supply. And the children are now starving.
From his own frickin web site:
http://algore2008.net/accomplishments2.html
GORE HAS BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF ETHANOL
A Strong Supporter of Ethanol. As Vice President, and as a Member of Congress, Al Gore has been a strong supporter of ethanol. In 1994, he cast the tie-breaking vote to defeat legislation that would have prohibited the EPA from implementing its rule mandating the use of ethanol in reformulated gasoline. In addition, Al Gore cosponsored Senate legislation to promote and encourage the development of ethanol.
The Vehicle Energy Efficiency Performance Standards Act. In 1988, Al Gore was an original cosponsor of the Vehicle Energy Efficiency Performance Standards Act, which attempted to establish a national farm ethanol program.
Resolution Supporting Use of Ethanol. In 1987, Al Gore cosponsored a resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) should encourage states to mandate the use of alternative fuels, such as ethanol, in commercial fleets as part of an air pollution control strategy.
The Methanol and Ethanol Vehicle Incentives Act. In 1985, Al Gore cosponsored the Methanol and Ethanol Vehicle Incentives Act, which sought to encourage the development of automobiles that run on methanol or ethanol fuels.
CF2K
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:32 am
“Boxlock,
“Serious question: what is your threshold for ascertaining what constitutes “mature” science?”
Fair question…when there are smaller numbers in the scientific community that refute a lot of what is being claimed about AGW.
And when we know the medicine isn’t far more harmful than the problem.
This is precisely why government should not intervene. By the government, and not just Gore, promoting Ethanol, we have the problem we have today.
No subsidies, no tax breaks, no grants. Let the market dictate the most viable alternative energy source.
ksgrm,
It is a LIE that Gore filed the suit. Bush did. Here is the timeline.
“2000 Election Chronology
Tuesday, Nov. 7—Election Day. Pundits have predicted a tight race between Texas governor George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore, but few expect one of the closest elections in U.S. history. By early evening, it’s clear the election hinges on Florida.
Wednesday, Nov. 8—Gore calls Bush at approximately 3 A.M. to concede, but retracts the concession shortly after, because Bush’s razor-slim lead prompts an automatic recount. He leads Gore by about 1,210 votes out of nearly 6 million cast in Florida. Meanwhile Gore leads in both the national popular count and the electoral college.
An unusual amount of votes for third-party candidates in Palm Beach County leads to disputes over the county’s “butterfly ballots.” A number of ballots in other counties are disqualified because the chad > the small piece of paper punched out of punch-card ballots—did not fully detach from the ballot.
Thursday, Nov. 9—Gore’s camp requests a hand recount of the approximately 1.8 million ballots cast in Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Broward, and Volusia counties, Democratic strongholds.
Friday, Nov. 10—Florida’s automatic recount is completed. The Associated Press reports that Bush has retained his lead but only by 327 votes.
Saturday, Nov. 11—The Bush team, led by former secretary of state James Baker, files suit in federal court to block Gore’s request for a hand recount.”
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884144.html
Kind of undermines your interpretation of events, now doesn’t it, ksgrm? You’re wrong: just “get over it.”
“smaller numbers”
You MEAN negligible numbers. And paid off by fossil fuels to boot.
“whenn we know the medicine isn’t far more harmful than the problem.”
You mean the fossil fuels industries are gonna take a hit?
Uh…
SO?
Say Boxlock, ditto on your 10:30 post.
Also into the great outdoors and enjoy mountain hiking (Colorado!), tent camping, fishing, hunting, etc….
Many people don’t understand the conservation work done by the NRA, Izaak Walton League, and other hunting/conservation groups.
It’s a huge lie the Libs tell about conservatives - that we hate the environment.
CF2K
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:44 am
Kind of undermines your interpretation of events, now doesn’t it, ksgrm? You’re wrong: just “get over it.”
Gore lost, just get over it.
Zero emissions car…
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html
You’ll never guess what powers it…
Dear Nazi,
Quite a trick, copying materials from the Al Gore site. When I tried, a warning box came up that said I couldn’t use their materials without permission.
Did you ask real nice, Nazi?
As for the evidence you present, I said, above, that if Wingnuts have no problems McCain’s reversals for political expedience–such as his inquiries into switching to the Democratic Party earlier this decade), they shouldn’t have any problem with Al Gore’s change of mind on ethanol on the grounds of the principle of double effect.
And in fact, given that in “An Inconvenient Truth,” he expressed the willingness for his family to move away from producing tobacco once its destructive effects became known, it’s equally consistent for him to reconsider his support for ethanol in the light of unforeseen consequences.
What is telling is that Bush still supports ethanol and other biofuels. But then, nobody ever expected Bush to do anything BUT to starve the poor–as in New Orleans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-A3XHFT5qc
“Many people don’t understand the conservation work done by the NRA, Izaak Walton League, and other hunting/conservation groups.
It’s a huge lie the Libs tell about conservatives - that we hate the environment.”
Exactly Max, it’s so much easier to hate us, and folks like the NRA, than to find out what we/they really stand for, and how much we/they do to promote exactly what the Libs are trying to force through socialistic ideologies that end up harming.
Sol,
Sorry, I’m not into kinky. Ask that great wife of yours to do it.
Nice try CF, keep defending Gore by attacking McCain and Bush.
Can you not mount a response defending Gore?
(Copy and paste CF, real tough. LOL!)
Sol there is so much more to it than you even know man. So don’t even go there with the ‘if you would only’…don’t you think I would do that if i could?
Do I not seem intelligent enough to try to make that happen?
CF, what’s this Rush child molesting thing?
The U.S. is not the only country affected by the drop in food production and higher prices.
Was it on Sam’s Club website that I saw the purchase of rice is limited? Gotta check that out again.
Tara,
It appears that WordPress blogs may be the worst hit when it comes to spam. I deleted over 2,000 spam messages yesterday on a client’s blog. All were on relatively old topics/threads, but it’s going the same way guestbooks went, full of useless spam. Do these companies who pay for this to be done understand that, once I see their listing in a spam post, I won’t bother to check them out or ever purchase their product/services?
I didn’t find the rice rationing comment on Sam’s Club website, but I did find the link below to a blog discussion about it. Apparently I wasn’t dreaming. Limit of 4 bags at Sam’s, and Cotsco is also limiting. Perhaps only in CA? Not sure.
http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/D/0/9/walmarts_sams_club_chain_limits_rice_purchase/
Say Dave, you ever work for a company that had an operating loss?
They cut your pay by 80%?
If I was responsible for the company’s performance, I would expect them to can my ass - not reward me.
Predestined,
Your post of 11:03 am, what spam?
I’m serious, I am not seeing any coming to me, where would it be coming to that I would see it.
Is it spam on the blog itself, or email or what?
Sorry, just trying to understand what’s going on with that.
Predestined
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink
Glad to see you have a sense of humor (cough cough)
“Limit of 4 bags at Sam’s, and Cotsco is also limiting. Perhaps only in CA? Not sure.”
I read on the east and west coasts in the ethnic communities that eat a lot of rice.
Pre, I think those bags are really BIG ones, but rationing / limiting foodstuffs is indicative of very serious times.
Yet, the idiot in charge still says it isn’t as bad as it seems, just a little glitch, a slowdown…
Like he still has credibility on anything. NOT!
P_Mom,
All I have to go by is what you offered. From what you offered, you are in your situation because of decisions you have made. I can’t justify bitching or blaming my lot in life on someone else when it was my decisions that got me where I am. And also that by making other decisions now, I can pull myself up.
That’s not enough for Lilly Epps, an activist who joined the pastors in denouncing Planned Parenthood on Thursday. She said she was 26 years old when she got an abortion in the clinic used to stage the protest. She said the day has come to get “the truth” out about Planned Parenthood and what it is doing her community.
“I am a mad black woman,” she said. “Words cannot say how angry I am, how ignorant I was. But I thank God I came to the truth
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html
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Keep up the great work Planned Parenthood and abortion providers everywhere! Just remember, the communities in which you do “business” are worse off because of you.
Boxlock
Go to the WEblog Open Thread from like 3/31 and scroll to the bottom. You will find the spam!
Predestined
Posted April 25, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink
I didn’t find the rice rationing comment on Sam’s Club website, but I did find the link below to a blog discussion about it. Apparently I wasn’t dreaming. Limit of 4 bags at Sam’s, and Cotsco is also limiting. Perhaps only in CA? Not sure.
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SAM’s eh?
What are the bag’s size? 20 pounds? that does make a difference.
A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents had told him to shut up, authorities said Wednesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352498,00.html
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Tip to “peace” loving war protesters: Avoid assaulting people in wheelchairs.
hah! A good guess on my part.
Sam’s Club, Costco limit rice purchases as prices rise
Sam’s Club said it will limit customers to four bags at a time of imported jasmine, basmati and long grain white rice.
Sam’s Club declined to say if this is first time it has restricted sales of bulk foods. The limits affect 20-pound bags, not retail-sized portions. Costco could not immediately be reached for comment on its limits or whether they are the first ever.
“California’s had a pretty good crop, but basmati and jasmine consumers have a history of not switching,” he said. “They could always have bought cheaper Calrose. But they don’t.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080423/ap_on_bi_ge/wal_mart_rice
#
RFL
Posted April 25, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents had told him to shut up, authorities said Wednesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352498,00.html
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Tip to “peace” loving war protesters: Avoid assaulting people in wheelchairs.
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Sounds like something J R would do.
This one is going to get ugly…
I think McCain did the right thing.
Dear Fellow Conservative,
It’s safe to say that we’re all watching John McCain closely in trying to assess whether he’s worthy of our support this November.
Senator McCain’s done some good things in recent times, but he’s also committed some blunders that we, as conservatives, need to pay attention to.
Wednesday was one of those blunders.
McCain asked the North Carolina GOP not to run a television ad that highlighted Barack Obama’s ties to his Pastor of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright.
The ad did not involve the presidential election – it merely pointed out that the two Democratic candidates in the North Carolina governor’s race had both endorsed Obama, and that because of that, they were too extreme for conservative North Carolina.
Here’s a link to an article that discusses the situation.
If John McCain is intent on micromanaging the message of individual state parties, and at the same time unwilling to link his potential Democratic opponent with a revealing character issue, then it sheds doubt on whether he’s got the stomach to mount an effective and winning general election campaign.
McCain needs to tell why he should be president, but also why his opponent should not be president.
Seeing as this is a very important matter, we’ve set up a poll at ConservativeHQ.com where you can register your opinion on McCain’s latest blunder, as well as other issues important to conservatives.
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Sam’s claims to be preventing hoarding.
It seems a few shoppers might be speculating that bags of rice are going to be of greater value then the dollars originally paid for them. Stock up now and sell for a profit later as the global food crisis worsens.
Those darn speculators! Let’s tax the re-selling rice at a profit!
I think we can blaim this on Big Rice. Those Big Rice companies are manipulating the price of rice to earn greater profits. Didn’t one of Dick Cheney’s college roomates go into the rice business?
Time for a senate investigation requiring the CEO’s of rice companies to testify why it is that rice is going up.
Are the right wing radio nuts eating their own? Or are they — Laura O’Ingram, Rush O’Limbaugh, Sean O’Hannity — just plain out of touch with reality? O’Limbaugh is goading his dittoheads to riot in Denver? O’Ingram is attacking McCain for telling North Carolina Republican zealots to cease and desist from race baiting? So much for America being a post-racist society.
Maybe Condolezza’s behind this one!
Do ‘Rice Rockets’, really burn rice!
“O’Ingram is attacking McCain for telling North Carolina Republican zealots to cease and desist from race baiting? So much for America being a post-racist society.”
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Makes McCain look very moderate and very electable.
P-Mom,
Here’s the about Rush Limbaugh, pederast:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/38192/
Rush apparently loves him some child sex in the Dominican Republic.
outlander,
Makes McCain look like a hypocrite to normal folks, and a sellout to the Wingnuts.
CF2K,
The only Hypocrite here is you.
First you cry about attacks on Al Gore and then you turn around and spread attacks on Rush Limbaugh.
You Liberals never cease to amaze me.
You will ignore and question the evidence we have of Iranian involvement in arming those people killing our troops in Iraq, but then turn around and think there is a food crisis because a couple of Sams Clubs and Costco’s are limiting the sale of 20 lb bags of rice.
Just for laughs.
JACK (age 3) was watching his Mom breast-feeding his new baby sister. After a while he asked: ‘Mom, why have you got two? Is one for hot and one for cold milk?’
MELANIE (age 5) asked her Granny how old she was. Granny replied she was so old she didn’t remember any more. Melanie said, ‘If you don’t remember you must look in the back of your panties. Mine say five to six.’
STEVEN (age 3) hugged and kissed his Mom goodnight. ‘I love you so much, that when you die I’m going to bury you outside my bedroom window.’
BRITTANY (age 4) had an earache and wanted a painkiller. She tried in vain to take the lid off the bottle. Seeing her frustration, her Mom explained it was a childproof cap and she’d have to open it for her. Eyes wide with wonder, the little girl asked: ‘How does it know it’s me?’
SUSAN (age 4) was drinking juice when she got the hiccups. ‘Please don’t give me this juice again,’ she said, ‘It makes my teeth cough.’
D.I. (age 4) stepped onto the bathroom scale and asked: ‘How much do I cost?’
MARC (age 4) was engrossed in a young couple that were hugging and kissing in a restaurant. Without taking his eyes off them, he asked his dad: ‘Why is he whispering in her mouth?’
CLINTON (age 5) was in his bedroom looking worried. When his Mom asked what was troubling him, he replied, ‘I don’t know what’ll happen with this bed when I get married. How will my wife fit in?’
JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’
TAMMY (age 4) was with her mother when they met an elderly, rather wrinkled woman her Mom knew. Tammy looked at her for a while and then asked, ‘Why doesn’t your skin fit your face?’
The Sermon: I think this Mom will never forget this particular Sunday sermon…
‘Dear Lord,’ the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. ‘Without you, we are but dust.’ He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter (who was listening!) leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little girl voice, ‘Mom, what is butt dust?
StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted April 25, 2008 at 12:42 am | Permalink
“I saw those photos of Chas in the robe. That was the worst robe I’ve ever seen. Looked like it hadn’t been to the cleaners in years. Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”
Just to set the record straight - a full time job around this place, unfortunately. I showed those photos to James at the request of Chas.
James’s characterization of Chas’s attire is inaccurate - to put it in the kindest terms.
James,
I sure wish I understood your needs to make up stuff. Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?
JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’
James’ Dad said:Son, you dont understand. That isnt what I said.
JAMES (age4) But Dad you said the man waas warned to take his wife and flea out of the city! I heard you say that. Now you lie to me and say you didnt say that!
James’ Dad said: Son I didnt lie to you! You just dont understand. Flee means “leave”
James (age 4) C’mon Dad, I have spent time with Rover, I know what a flea is, and it doesnt leave unless you and mom spray Rover with that smelly stuff. You’re just lying how Dad to make me think you know what you are talking about!
James’ Dad said: Son, I am NOT lying to you. You just refuse to hear what I am telling you. They used different words back then. We really need to change these words so everybody can understand them.
Oh well, another kid brought up by lying liberal parents who just want to change the Bible and God to fit their own needs!!
/satire off
And you, “Nathaniel,” never cease to amaze me me with your willful ignorance.
You start with –
“You will ignore and question the evidence we have of Iranian involvement in arming those people killing our troops in Iraq…”
Uhm, “Nethaniel?” The issue is that George WMD Bush has put our troops in the midddle of a Shi-ite/Sun’ni civil war. Iran isn’t “killing our troops in Iraq,” they’re trying to kill Sun’nis in Iraq and Srub put our troops in the crossfire. And John W McCain wants it to continue for a hundred years.
But then, the brilliant mind (which might not be severely injured as are 1 in 3 Iraqi veterans) of “Nathaniel” adds –
“…then turn around and think there is a food crisis because a couple of Sams Clubs and Costco’s are limiting the sale of 20 lb bags of rice.”
Since you haven’t been paying attention, “Nathaniel,” look up on the rice shortatges, inflating prices, and food riots in Asia and Africa. (You know, places that eat a lot of rice?)
Sam’s (Wal-Mart) and CostCo are limiting sales because they are afraid overseas supplies might dry up.
Oh, and Australia’s last four rice crops have been wiped out by drought many attribute to climate change.
Steven,
To take a page from your book…
Who are you to say that Regular is wrong? It could be just his opinion on how Chas looked in those Robes.
A subjective opinion at that and not neccissarily his making things up!
Perhaps that is really the way Chas looked to Regular after all.
LOL
Why don’t you let me take a look at those photos so I can see for myself?
“Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?”
Funny, disagree with Chas and you are called all kinds of names.
Funnier still, I have never seen where he admitted to be just “Flaming”. Yeah, I heard Chas is just expressing his opinion, several times in lower and upper case.
So where is you statement to Chas to “admit”.
Care to share who posted this >>>
“Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?”
Hmmmm??
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StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:43 pm | Permalink
StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink
Regular
Posted April 25, 2008 at 12:42 am | Permalink
“I saw those photos of Chas in the robe. That was the worst robe I’ve ever seen. Looked like it hadn’t been to the cleaners in years. Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”
Just to set the record straight - a full time job around this place, unfortunately. I showed those photos to James at the request of Chas.
James’s characterization of Chas’s attire is inaccurate - to put it in the kindest terms.
James,
I sure wish I understood your needs to make up stuff. Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?
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The robe looked well worn and unclean to me. I didn’t make it up.
Care to be a man and tell Chas what a low life he is?
Or perhaps J R, when he attacks others and talks about their wife or ex-wives and the lies he constantly posts about other posters?
Do you want to be man and tell J R to stop his personal attacks?
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Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:15 am
James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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How about it Steve Davis?
You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?
Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:15 am
James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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Problem James — YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how crippled up you are… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???
Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years… however, my congregations have it cleaned monthly… it’s part of what is done… But I wont expect any apologies…
YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how a stroke has crippled you… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???
Your post of 11:03 am, what spam?
Boxlock,
SPAM: I believe it’s been mentioned before, and also Tara mentioned it upthread. It seems to happen on older threads the most, not current ones, but then I don’t go back and read the old stuff. Sorry, but I don’t have all day to watch and read each post as it comes in, nor is there time to read old threads. Work calls, and I answer. Put in a more relative way: The WEBlog is not my life.
Now you know why my posts are sporadic, at best, and often follow one another.
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Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 3:01 pm | Permalink
Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:15 am
James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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Problem James — YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how crippled up you are… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???
Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years… however, my congregations have it cleaned monthly… it’s part of what is done… But I wont expect any apologies…
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So you see Steven Davis, my assessment was correct on both parts brought for by Chas and previously described by me.
Be a man.
brought for = brought forth
Chas,
I see your stroke is selectively making you hit the CAPS LOCK button again on cue with typing the word “you.”
LOL
Glad to see you have a sense of humor (cough cough)
Sol, I was smiling as I typed. Should’ve added the
so you’d know. 
Nathan conveeeeniently forgets that typing the word “you” doesnt use any fingers of the Left hand. Oh well, I suppose he is fully entitled to his opinion.
Chas,
Oh… So you do choose to type in caps sometimes?
“So you see Steven Davis, my assessment was correct on both parts brought for by Chas and previously described by me.” [James]
That statement makes no sense, James. None at all!
You Liberals never cease to amaze me.
Ding! Ding! Ding! (I love it when the cons say “you people”.)
Nathaniel,
The topic discussed was food crisis. Although most people aren’t going to buy 100 lbs of rice at one time, there must be at least a few who do. Daycare providers, maybe? Churches? Boy Scout troops for a money raising dinner?
So what’s your preferred topic of discussion? Oh, wait, I know that one! Guns, followed by your interpretation of God and the Bible.
Carry on, my good man. (That was TIC)
Starting in rather early today, aren’t you boys?
BTW, not that it matters to any of you folks, but it is Not a robe — It is a vestment. Choirs wear robes. Just thought I would point that out. Additionally, vestments are not items that are often re-placed. Mended, repaired, or something of that sort, yes, but not very often re-placed. There is a reason for it, but most of you would not comprehend it, and I wont subject it to your typical sacrilege.
“How about it Steve Davis?
“You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?”
James, I know you are not that stupid. You are missing the point entirely. My point was that it is not a respectable practice to make stuff up. And I think that you are with it enough to know that the only person’s behavior I am responsible for, is my own. I fail sometimes. But I do try to do better.
Stuff someone should have taught you, James:
1) two wrongs do not make a right
2) be the change you want to see in the world.
Guess I got the answer to my question, huh? Very disappointing.
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StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink
“How about it Steve Davis?
“You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?”
James, I know you are not that stupid. You are missing the point entirely. My point was that it is not a respectable practice to make stuff up. And I think that you are with it enough to know that the only person’s behavior I am responsible for, is my own. I fail sometimes. But I do try to do better.
Stuff someone should have taught you, James:
1) two wrongs do not make a right
2) be the change you want to see in the world.
Guess I got the answer to my question, huh? Very disappointing.
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Steven Davis,
Perhaps you missed the post by Chas.
Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years…
It appears I was correct in my assessment.
So it appears Steven, you are more interested in uni-directional finger pointing that actually stating the truth about your Lib friends.
Be a man.
CF Just got back and saw your responses:
I repeat Scalia said: Not me - Scalia. Not your timeline - Scalia.
“”I say nonsense,” Scalia responds to Stahl’s observation that people say the Supreme Court’s decision in Gore v. Bush was based on politics and not justice. “Get over it. It’s so old by now. The principal issue in the case, whether the scheme that the Florida Supreme Court had put together violated the federal Constitution, that wasn’t even close. The vote was seven to two,” he says, referring to the Supreme Court’s decision that the Supreme Court of Florida’s method for recounting ballots was unconstitutional.
Furthermore, says the outspoken conservative justice, it was Al Gore who ultimately put the issue into the courts. “It was Al Gore who made it a judicial question…. We didn’t go looking for trouble. It was he who said, ‘I want this to be decided by the courts,’” says Scalia. “What are we supposed to say — ‘Not important enough?’” he jokes.”
Gore made it a judicial matter - not Bush, not me, not the Florida election board, which was ran by the democrats - but Gore.
Get over it.
“Why don’t you let me take a look at those photos so I can see for myself?”
Given that I get Chas’s permission and you provide me with an email address, I could forward them to you.
The appearance of robe or vestment was not the only objection I had to his comments. There was this little bit of flaming, too: “Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”
I hope that you are not so stupid, as to think flaming and stating an opinion are the same thing. Even you, should be able to see the difference.
Steven, I still admire you for doing the right thing. You are truly a good man. Don’t let this change you.
The other day I asked, “why does someone always need to be wrong?”
What I was really questioning is why do arguments go onandon in an attempt to make someone right and someone wrong? And usually on topics that don’t make a hill of beans of difference.
StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink
“Why don’t you