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It never ends:

Today, Magistrate Judge John M. Facciola of the U.S. District Court ordered the White House to once and for all provide “precise information” about its e-mail system.

The order stems from a lawsuit by the National Security Archive, filed on September 5, 2007 against the Executive Office of the President and the National Archives and Records Administration, claiming that a possible 5-to-10 million e-mails were either improperly preserved as Presidential records, as required by law, or lost entirely.

House Judiciary Committee chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), in a 2007 address, called such a breach of record-keeping requirements reminiscent of the “18-minute gap” in the infamous Nixon White House tapes, subpoenaed during the Watergate scandal.

The “missing” e-mails cover a 473-day period, which includes the date of CIA agent Valerie Plame’s outing and a string of U.S. Attorney firings widely believed to have been politically motivated. The White House was ordered to preserve all known e-mail records in November of 2007.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Judge_orders_White_House_to_clarify_0424.html

The Central Intelligence Agency knew from the beginning that its secret detention and torturous interrogation tactics probably bordered on illegal from the start, according to new documents identified through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

In a filing yesterday, the CIA said it had identified 7,000 pages of classified memos, emails and other records relating to President Bush’s secret detention and interrogation program. Human rights groups quickly jumped on the filing — which came after their own Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking information about those detained.

The CIA also acknowledged in their filings that the program “will continue.” Terror suspects detained or “renditioned” by the United States are transferred to third party countries that allow torture which gives the US a legal loophole to allow harsh interrogation without being legally liable. Such suspects, who effectively disappear, are held without access to courts.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CIA_knew_secret_detention_interrogation_program_0424.html

It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they!! United States of Bigots. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com

It doesnt seem that the issue is what is Legal or Illegal. It seems to only matter on who does it to who. They dont look at why, just who. One bully over another. We are allowed because we are prodomiantly white. They are prodomiantly non-white. We are Christian to the point of Human Torture. We are allowed to torture because we have an all forgiving GOD. Heathens in control based on lies, false claims and spolied arrogance. The right to hate and respond because we fell out white instead of dark. We have the right to beat someone for spending their money on chicken, because we have stock in beef. How dare they! United States of Bigots. Herbert Lynn West III west.herb@yahoo.com wen2k.com

everyone out to get you Herb?

Too Politcal_mama and others, noone gives positive merit or positive responces here. We give opinions that reflect how we feel the negative side of these subjects bother us and others. Post a positve subject and you will get about 1% responces in comparison to the ones we see now. Is everyone out to get me? No just the spoken of a$$ho(e$ here as posted by all!!!! Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com http://www.wen2k.com

I still see a lot of spam on this blog, despite registration. Has the Eagle considered using Google’s code?
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/01/preventing-comment-spam.html

It won’t block spam, per say, but it will prevent outside sources from profiting by posting links. Normally, there is a referral id when you click on a link that pays these scumbags. This google tool blocks any referral ids, so even if people post spam links, they won’t get credit for them. Might work to cut down the fat.

Herb,though I seldom comment on your posts, I do value them. I tend to be focused on the National over the state. So you do cause me to think once in awhile closer to home…Sorry that I have not been paying more attention to your post or at least enough to note there are here.

writerdog,

Indeed. ‘A picture is worth a thousand words’ and all that.

http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=12532

kansassam
Posted April 25, 2008 at 7:55 am | Permalink

Interesting Statistics from the DOD. Does anyone have any theories to explain the high military death rates in the 80’s?

Sam,

The military was larger in size back, so statistically you will see larger numbers.

Also, the largest contributor was motor vehicle accidents. Drinking and driving combined with cavalier attitudes of driving too fast for conditions (rain, snow, night time) were responsible for most of the deaths.

If you look at the civilian population, motor vehicle accidents were proportionately higher as well.

Thread creep. From yesterday’s open:

From P_Mom
Sol I wish I was a nurse, I did go all the way through school for it, but I am not. I’m merely an aide in that job.
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P_Mom,
There you go. Finish what it is you need to to become and RN. Much better pay scale. Also, consider your location. As I said last night, Florida is RIPE with opportunity for RNs. Great weather too. Head for the Tampa area. Great weather and not too bad on the hurricanes. The housing market is perfect for a buyer right now as well.

Point being, there is opportunity within your grasp. If you choose not to strive for it, that is your shortcoming and not the fault of anyone around you.

From Boortz

‘We in Denmark cannot figure out why you are even bothering to hold an election.
On one side, you have a lawyer who is married to a lawyer, and a lawyer who is married to a lawyer.
On the other side, you have a true war hero married to a blonde with a huge chest who owns a beer distributorship.
Is there a contest here?’

From Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:05 am | Permalink
Sol — You have NEVER proven me a liar yet!!

Find out why you have such inner anger, Sol

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Chas, you have been proven a liar by me and many others. Every time you twist and squirm, but never admit it. So what is the point of digging up all the lies you have posted if you still, after being overwhelmingly proven to be wrong, refuse to admit your lies. Mad of God? Me thinks not.

My inner anger, this from the king of caps lock. Oh, there is one for you chas, you lied that your stroke causes your incessant caps lock problem, that just so happens to occur at just the right times. Kinda like the bolding occurred in that obit you posted.

Heckler,

“CF JM

Take a pill.”

Oh, you mean a Viagra pill, like Rush Limbaugh? And then go molest some children in the Dominican Republic, like Rush Limbaugh?

Wingnuts are fine with terrorist tactics like disrupting party conventions so long as they’re the perpetrators.

CF

There won’t be any Republicans needed to disrupt the Democrat party convention. They’ll take care of that themselves.

We’ll just be standing next to the water cannons RFLOAO.

<b?Proof that Iran is supplying Weapons in Iraq

WASHINGTON — The U.S. military says it has found caches of newly made Iranian weapons in Iraq, leading senior officials to conclude Tehran is continuing to funnel armaments into Iraq despite its pledges to the contrary, the Wall Street Journal reported Friday.

Officials in Washington and Baghdad said the purported Iranian mortars, rockets and explosives had date stamps indicating they were manufactured in the past two months. The U.S. plans to publicize the weapons caches in coming days. A pair of senior commanders said a presentation was tentatively planned for Monday, the paper reported.

“You can see the manufacturing dates right on the armaments themselves,” one senior commander in Baghdad said. “These are very clearly weapons that were made in the last month or so.”
AP

Yeah lindainks, everyone lies – especially those who don’t perform the ’sheeple over the cliff dance’ like Democratic Party automatons.

Do these newly found weapons have…

“Made in Iran”

printed on them….in English?

Like the last bunch of “Iranian” weapons?

I’m kinda with Linda on this one. The administration has been painting Iran in poor light for years. Kind of priming the pump for the next invasion/war.

If the cache was found… what, days ago? Then why are they waiting to go public with it? Seems to me if the data was so damning, there would be no reason to ramp it up, just expose it.

Someone posted a week or so ago about a possible impending military action against Iran. With Cheney’s recent whirl wind unannounced tour of our ‘buddies’ in the region, it seemed plausible.

Given the bad information we used prior to invading Iraq, prudence would be the safest course for the US.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “The persons who have heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly. When something is taken like a sound bite for a political purpose and put constantly over and over again, looped in the face of the public. That’s not a failure to communicate. Those who are doing that are communicating exactly what they want to do, which is to paint me as some sort of fanatic or as the learned journalist from the New York Times called me, a ‘wackadoodle.’ It’s to paint me as something: ‘Something’s wrong with me. There’s nothing wrong with this country…for its policies. We’re perfect. Our hands are free. Our hands have no blood on them.’ That’s not a failure to communicate. The message that is being communicated by the sound bites is exactly what those pushing those sound bites want to communicate.”

Bill Moyers: “What do you think they wanted to communicate?”

Rev. Wright: “I think they wanted to communicate that I am unpatriotic, that I am un-American, that I am filled with hate speech, that I have a cult at Trinity United Church of Christ. And by the way, guess who goes to his church, hint, hint, hint? That’s what they wanted to communicate. They know nothing about the church. They know nothing about our prison ministry. They know nothing about our food ministry. They know nothing about our senior citizens home. They know nothing about all we try to do as a church and have tried to do, and still continue to do as a church that believes what Martin Marty said, that the two worlds have to be together. And that the gospel of Jesus Christ has to speak to those worlds, not only in terms of the preached message on a Sunday morning but in terms of the lived-out ministry throughout the week.”

Moyers: “What did you think when you began to see those very brief sound bites circulating as they did?”

Rev. Wright: “I felt it was unfair. I felt it was unjust. I felt it was untrue. I felt for those who were doing that, were doing it for some very devious reasons.”

The Bill Moyers interview with Reverend Wright airs tonight at 9 on PBS.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/4/25/headlines#1

I agree with Linda that we should proceed with caution. If our troops weren’t there, they couldn’t be killed with Iranian weapons.

At Brownback’s next editorial board, I hope someone asks him if he repudiate’s John Hagee and his bigot ideas about the Catholic Church (”the great whore.”)

Does he still welcome the support of bigots like Hagee? What role did he play in brokering Hagee’s endorsement of McCain? Would he do it again?

Hey Boxlock, if a few million people have to starve to death to save the planet.

Well, Al Gore must think that’s ok.

ksgrm, Posted April 25, 2008 at 9:47 am
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-425/#comment-337003

AGREED!!!

My hatred for you and your party over that decision will linger even after you are decomposing (faster than now) in the grave.

What an absolutely vile individual. You should really seek help for your anger issues.

Dear Nazi,

Al Gore doesn’t think that. But you DO seem to be OK with starving to death a few BILLION people so you can be rich.

Nazi. Do you take viagra and molest children like Rush Limbaugh?

Cf and Jr what about Gore do you think is worth defending even when you are proved to wrong. Gore started the whole GW thing and called for biofuels when he was a Clinton underling. So in 2007 he saw the writing on the wall and backed off that position. Too little too late.

As for the election – once and for all – Gore cut his own throat by trying to undermine the election. He did it – history showed him for the buffoon he was. Not my call. Just my observation.

As for your post of one man’s take on Scalia – Well we could have dueling posts but nothing would be proved. Scalia told it exactly the way it happened.

Live in your delusional world I have an 11 oclock meeting and need to be moving.

Good post at 10:21 KSgrm. I expect to see a very rational and logical rebuttal from the Left now.

(cough, cough)

MaxGrobnik
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:00 am |
“Hey Boxlock, if a few million people have to starve to death to save the planet.
Well, Al Gore must think that’s ok.”

Max, I sometimes think that’s how Gore and the AGW fanatics plan on saving the planet. Exterminating large numbers of people by starvation, etc.
Ya know, I’m a pretty outdoor kind of guy and want a clean, healthy environment, I really do. I do what I can also. My wife an I, in spite of our ages, still camp and hike the mountains, so that is of interest to me as well as the larger, global implications of AGW if it exists. But we have to be somewhat practical. To cause immediate human suffering and destroy the economy for immature science on AGW is just plain dumb.
Same applies to the western coal plant controversy. Coal is cheap and plentiful, if we need energy, lets use it. Sure explore and utilize wind, nuclear sources, hydro where possible, etc. but lets not harm ourselves until sure of the practicality of it’s wide scale use. Plus we have to be a state of laws and not trendy whims. Those plants meet all regulatory requirements in place, there is no legal basis for denying their construction.

Boxlock,

Serious question: what is your threshold for ascertaining what constitutes “mature” science?

Sol,

What possessed you to bring your childish bickering with JR to today’s Open Thread?

You both need a time out in the corner.

group think, mob rule, hysteria incited by their heroes like rush…

Chuckle… It is hilarious to see everyone running from biofuels.

The fact is that there are no easy answers. Nukes are the only real solution. The founder of Greenpeace also thinks so.

“Greenpeace founder Patrick Moore says there is no proof global warming is caused by humans, but it is likely enough that the world should turn to nuclear power – a concept tied closely to the underground nuclear testing his former environmental group formed to oppose.”

“The only viable solution is to build hundreds of nuclear power plants over the next century, Moore told the Boise Metro Chamber of Commerce on Wednesday. There isn’t enough potential for wind, solar, hydroelectric, and geothermal or other renewable energy sources, he said.”

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/360625.html

I love it!
Max and ksgrm, you’re beating them up like they are rabid dogs. :twisted:

CF2K
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:32 am
“Boxlock,
“Serious question: what is your threshold for ascertaining what constitutes “mature” science?”

Fair question…when there are smaller numbers in the scientific community that refute a lot of what is being claimed about AGW.
And when we know the medicine isn’t far more harmful than the problem.

ksgrm,

It is a LIE that Gore filed the suit. Bush did. Here is the timeline.

“2000 Election Chronology

Tuesday, Nov. 7—Election Day. Pundits have predicted a tight race between Texas governor George W. Bush and Vice President Al Gore, but few expect one of the closest elections in U.S. history. By early evening, it’s clear the election hinges on Florida.
Wednesday, Nov. 8—Gore calls Bush at approximately 3 A.M. to concede, but retracts the concession shortly after, because Bush’s razor-slim lead prompts an automatic recount. He leads Gore by about 1,210 votes out of nearly 6 million cast in Florida. Meanwhile Gore leads in both the national popular count and the electoral college.
An unusual amount of votes for third-party candidates in Palm Beach County leads to disputes over the county’s “butterfly ballots.” A number of ballots in other counties are disqualified because the chad > the small piece of paper punched out of punch-card ballots—did not fully detach from the ballot.
Thursday, Nov. 9—Gore’s camp requests a hand recount of the approximately 1.8 million ballots cast in Palm Beach, Miami-Dade, Broward, and Volusia counties, Democratic strongholds.
Friday, Nov. 10—Florida’s automatic recount is completed. The Associated Press reports that Bush has retained his lead but only by 327 votes.
Saturday, Nov. 11—The Bush team, led by former secretary of state James Baker, files suit in federal court to block Gore’s request for a hand recount.”

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0884144.html

Kind of undermines your interpretation of events, now doesn’t it, ksgrm? You’re wrong: just “get over it.”

Say Boxlock, ditto on your 10:30 post.

Also into the great outdoors and enjoy mountain hiking (Colorado!), tent camping, fishing, hunting, etc….

Many people don’t understand the conservation work done by the NRA, Izaak Walton League, and other hunting/conservation groups.

It’s a huge lie the Libs tell about conservatives – that we hate the environment.

Zero emissions car…

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars/4217016.html

You’ll never guess what powers it…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-A3XHFT5qc

Sol,

Sorry, I’m not into kinky. Ask that great wife of yours to do it.

Sol there is so much more to it than you even know man. So don’t even go there with the ‘if you would only’…don’t you think I would do that if i could?

Do I not seem intelligent enough to try to make that happen?

CF, what’s this Rush child molesting thing?

Tara,

It appears that WordPress blogs may be the worst hit when it comes to spam. I deleted over 2,000 spam messages yesterday on a client’s blog. All were on relatively old topics/threads, but it’s going the same way guestbooks went, full of useless spam. Do these companies who pay for this to be done understand that, once I see their listing in a spam post, I won’t bother to check them out or ever purchase their product/services?

Say Dave, you ever work for a company that had an operating loss?

They cut your pay by 80%?

If I was responsible for the company’s performance, I would expect them to can my ass – not reward me.

Predestined
Posted April 25, 2008 at 10:56 am | Permalink

Glad to see you have a sense of humor (cough cough)

Pre, I think those bags are really BIG ones, but rationing / limiting foodstuffs is indicative of very serious times.

Yet, the idiot in charge still says it isn’t as bad as it seems, just a little glitch, a slowdown…

Like he still has credibility on anything. NOT!

That’s not enough for Lilly Epps, an activist who joined the pastors in denouncing Planned Parenthood on Thursday. She said she was 26 years old when she got an abortion in the clinic used to stage the protest. She said the day has come to get “the truth” out about Planned Parenthood and what it is doing her community.

“I am a mad black woman,” she said. “Words cannot say how angry I am, how ignorant I was. But I thank God I came to the truth

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352537,00.html

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Keep up the great work Planned Parenthood and abortion providers everywhere! Just remember, the communities in which you do “business” are worse off because of you.

Predestined
Posted April 25, 2008 at 11:06 am | Permalink

I didn’t find the rice rationing comment on Sam’s Club website, but I did find the link below to a blog discussion about it. Apparently I wasn’t dreaming. Limit of 4 bags at Sam’s, and Cotsco is also limiting. Perhaps only in CA? Not sure.
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SAM’s eh?

What are the bag’s size? 20 pounds? that does make a difference.

hah! A good guess on my part. :)

Sam’s Club, Costco limit rice purchases as prices rise

Sam’s Club said it will limit customers to four bags at a time of imported jasmine, basmati and long grain white rice.

Sam’s Club declined to say if this is first time it has restricted sales of bulk foods. The limits affect 20-pound bags, not retail-sized portions. Costco could not immediately be reached for comment on its limits or whether they are the first ever.

“California’s had a pretty good crop, but basmati and jasmine consumers have a history of not switching,” he said. “They could always have bought cheaper Calrose. But they don’t.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080423/ap_on_bi_ge/wal_mart_rice

This one is going to get ugly…

I think McCain did the right thing.

Dear Fellow Conservative,
It’s safe to say that we’re all watching John McCain closely in trying to assess whether he’s worthy of our support this November.
Senator McCain’s done some good things in recent times, but he’s also committed some blunders that we, as conservatives, need to pay attention to.
Wednesday was one of those blunders.
McCain asked the North Carolina GOP not to run a television ad that highlighted Barack Obama’s ties to his Pastor of twenty years, Jeremiah Wright.
The ad did not involve the presidential election – it merely pointed out that the two Democratic candidates in the North Carolina governor’s race had both endorsed Obama, and that because of that, they were too extreme for conservative North Carolina.
Here’s a link to an article that discusses the situation.
If John McCain is intent on micromanaging the message of individual state parties, and at the same time unwilling to link his potential Democratic opponent with a revealing character issue, then it sheds doubt on whether he’s got the stomach to mount an effective and winning general election campaign.
McCain needs to tell why he should be president, but also why his opponent should not be president.
Seeing as this is a very important matter, we’ve set up a poll at ConservativeHQ.com where you can register your opinion on McCain’s latest blunder, as well as other issues important to conservatives.
Please take a few moments to tell us what you think. Thank you for helping us advance the conservative cause.
Sincerely,
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ConservativeHQ.com
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Are the right wing radio nuts eating their own? Or are they — Laura O’Ingram, Rush O’Limbaugh, Sean O’Hannity — just plain out of touch with reality? O’Limbaugh is goading his dittoheads to riot in Denver? O’Ingram is attacking McCain for telling North Carolina Republican zealots to cease and desist from race baiting? So much for America being a post-racist society.

Do ‘Rice Rockets’, really burn rice!

P-Mom,

Here’s the about Rush Limbaugh, pederast:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/38192/

Rush apparently loves him some child sex in the Dominican Republic.

CF2K,

The only Hypocrite here is you.

First you cry about attacks on Al Gore and then you turn around and spread attacks on Rush Limbaugh.

Just for laughs.

JACK (age 3) was watching his Mom breast-feeding his new baby sister. After a while he asked: ‘Mom, why have you got two? Is one for hot and one for cold milk?’

MELANIE (age 5) asked her Granny how old she was. Granny replied she was so old she didn’t remember any more. Melanie said, ‘If you don’t remember you must look in the back of your panties. Mine say five to six.’

STEVEN (age 3) hugged and kissed his Mom goodnight. ‘I love you so much, that when you die I’m going to bury you outside my bedroom window.’

BRITTANY (age 4) had an earache and wanted a painkiller. She tried in vain to take the lid off the bottle. Seeing her frustration, her Mom explained it was a childproof cap and she’d have to open it for her. Eyes wide with wonder, the little girl asked: ‘How does it know it’s me?’

SUSAN (age 4) was drinking juice when she got the hiccups. ‘Please don’t give me this juice again,’ she said, ‘It makes my teeth cough.’

D.I. (age 4) stepped onto the bathroom scale and asked: ‘How much do I cost?’

MARC (age 4) was engrossed in a young couple that were hugging and kissing in a restaurant. Without taking his eyes off them, he asked his dad: ‘Why is he whispering in her mouth?’

CLINTON (age 5) was in his bedroom looking worried. When his Mom asked what was troubling him, he replied, ‘I don’t know what’ll happen with this bed when I get married. How will my wife fit in?’

JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’

TAMMY (age 4) was with her mother when they met an elderly, rather wrinkled woman her Mom knew. Tammy looked at her for a while and then asked, ‘Why doesn’t your skin fit your face?’

The Sermon: I think this Mom will never forget this particular Sunday sermon…
‘Dear Lord,’ the minister began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look on his upturned face. ‘Without you, we are but dust.’ He would have continued but at that moment my very obedient daughter (who was listening!) leaned over to me and asked quite audibly in her shrill little girl voice, ‘Mom, what is butt dust?

JAMES (age 4) was listening to a Bible story. His dad read: ‘The man named Lot was warned to take his wife and flee out of the city but his wife looked back and was turned to salt Concerned, James asked: ‘What happened to the flea?’

/satire off

Steven,

To take a page from your book…

Who are you to say that Regular is wrong? It could be just his opinion on how Chas looked in those Robes.

A subjective opinion at that and not neccissarily his making things up!

Perhaps that is really the way Chas looked to Regular after all.

LOL

Why don’t you let me take a look at those photos so I can see for myself?

Care to share who posted this >>>

“Care to appear to be a man and admit that you were just flaming?”

Hmmmm??

Chas
Posted April 25, 2008 at 1:15 am

James, the crippled fool!!! Yep thats what you are!!
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Problem James — YOU have gone to great lengths to tell the entire WORLD how crippled up you are… And now you act the role of the Fool… And you call that an attack??? By whom?? By YOU perhaps???

Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years… however, my congregations have it cleaned monthly… it’s part of what is done… But I wont expect any apologies…

Your post of 11:03 am, what spam?

Boxlock,

SPAM: I believe it’s been mentioned before, and also Tara mentioned it upthread. It seems to happen on older threads the most, not current ones, but then I don’t go back and read the old stuff. Sorry, but I don’t have all day to watch and read each post as it comes in, nor is there time to read old threads. Work calls, and I answer. Put in a more relative way: The WEBlog is not my life.

Now you know why my posts are sporadic, at best, and often follow one another.

brought for = brought forth

Glad to see you have a sense of humor (cough cough)

Sol, I was smiling as I typed. Should’ve added the :) so you’d know. ;)

Chas,

Oh… So you do choose to type in caps sometimes?

You Liberals never cease to amaze me.

Ding! Ding! Ding! (I love it when the cons say “you people”.)

Nathaniel,

The topic discussed was food crisis. Although most people aren’t going to buy 100 lbs of rice at one time, there must be at least a few who do. Daycare providers, maybe? Churches? Boy Scout troops for a money raising dinner?

So what’s your preferred topic of discussion? Oh, wait, I know that one! Guns, followed by your interpretation of God and the Bible.

Carry on, my good man. (That was TIC)

BTW, not that it matters to any of you folks, but it is Not a robe — It is a vestment. Choirs wear robes. Just thought I would point that out. Additionally, vestments are not items that are often re-placed. Mended, repaired, or something of that sort, yes, but not very often re-placed. There is a reason for it, but most of you would not comprehend it, and I wont subject it to your typical sacrilege.

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StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

“How about it Steve Davis?

“You going to be a man and be more concerned about a robe or the constant personal attacks your Lib “friends” invoke on others?”

James, I know you are not that stupid. You are missing the point entirely. My point was that it is not a respectable practice to make stuff up. And I think that you are with it enough to know that the only person’s behavior I am responsible for, is my own. I fail sometimes. But I do try to do better.

Stuff someone should have taught you, James:

1) two wrongs do not make a right
2) be the change you want to see in the world.

Guess I got the answer to my question, huh? Very disappointing.
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Steven Davis,

Perhaps you missed the post by Chas.

Footnote — The robe is a bit long in years…

It appears I was correct in my assessment.

So it appears Steven, you are more interested in uni-directional finger pointing that actually stating the truth about your Lib friends.

Be a man.

“Why don’t you let me take a look at those photos so I can see for myself?”

Given that I get Chas’s permission and you provide me with an email address, I could forward them to you.

The appearance of robe or vestment was not the only objection I had to his comments. There was this little bit of flaming, too: “Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”

I hope that you are not so stupid, as to think flaming and stating an opinion are the same thing. Even you, should be able to see the difference.

StevenEDavis
Posted April 25, 2008 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

“Why don’t you let me take a look at those photos so I can see for myself?”

Given that I get Chas’s permission and you provide me with an email address, I could forward them to you.

The appearance of robe or vestment was not the only objection I had to his comments. There was this little bit of flaming, too: “Chas probably bought it used at one of those thrift shops and put it on to claim he’s a minister.”

I hope that you are not so stupid, as to think flaming and stating an opinion are the same thing. Even you, should be able to see the difference.
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Have you seen Chas personally in a church anywhere.

Can you vouch with 100 percent certainty that Chas is an ordained Minister?

Have you seen his registration at the courthouse or in a Church book of Ordination? They do make those you know, I found my Uncle listed.

Chas is hiding something. Perhaps that he is a poor excuse of a Minister(by his conduct here on the blog) or perhaps he never has been or will be an ordained Minister.

Unless he steps up and proves it, provides a public source, the doubt will always be there.

If I’m wrong and absolute proof is provided, I’ll apologize.

But, I have strong suspicions about Chas. Perhaps he was defrocked? I dunno, I remain doubtful.

Sister ksgrm,

You are correct.

I’ll lay off the ad hominem on Chas.

I don’t need to repeat his mistakes.

Yo J M Walker,

Bush was briefed daily by a Clinton appointed head of the CIA.

He should have gotten up to date and accurate information right? :)

Jm I would be much more impressed with this revelation if the man wasn’t hawking a book. It amazes me how many memories are jarred to the realities when writing a book are concerned.

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Jm I would be much more impressed with this revelation if the man wasn’t hawking a book. It amazes me how many memories are jarred to the realities when writing a book are concerned.
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His book and the bs going with it is not the point. The point is his falling off the bushbus, as so many of ex bushco’s have done. Really sick pattern here.

This from a special committee by the United States Senate Intelligence Committee (which has Democrats in it btw)

http://rpc.senate.gov/_files/Feb0706DoDIntellMS.pdf

It appears that J M Walker is repeating unsubstantiated swill that has no foundation and even refuted by a CIA investigation.

September 22, 2005: Senator Levin repeated the same allegation of deception in his letter to
the Department of Defense Inspector General. Senator Levin asserted that DOD “sent to
several congressional committees in January 2004 revised ORCON materials that were
represented as containing the CIA’s requested changes to the October 2003 documents, but
which did not fully and accurately reflect the CIA’s requested changes,” and he asked if this
constituted “mislead[ing] Congress.”40
• Thus, Senator Levin repeated a serious charge, the factual basis of which the CIA had
undercut nearly a year before.

At the July 9, 2004, press conference for the public release of the SSCI report, Senator
Rockefeller asked whether “the number three guy in the Defense Department, Douglas Feith,
. . .was he running a private intelligence failure [sic – the Senator presumably meant
operation], which is not lawful.”
• In response, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs wrote to Senator
Rockefeller asking him to provide “evidence supporting the serious charge, . . . [or] a
retraction and apology would be appropriate.”41
• To this day, Senator Rockefeller has not provided any evidence for the charge, has not
apologized for it, but has not abandoned it.
o SSCI Chairman Pat Roberts summarized the situation: “The Committee is concerned
about persistent and, to date, unsubstantiated allegations that there was something
unlawful or improper about the activities of the Office of Special Plans within the
office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. . . . I have not discovered any
credible evidence of unlawful or improper activity, yet the allegations persist.”42

• To this day, Senator Levin has yet to retract, or apologize for his allegation against Mr. Feith,
which the CIA long ago exposed as having no foundation.

The entire PDF can be read at the link provided above.

Apparently, Regular insists on believing the words coming out of the mouths of this administration. So be it: To believe in the lies of the corrupt is to accept corruption, and nothing portrays that better than this administration.

“Despite extensive planning by the U.S. Department of State’s Future of Iraq Project to deal with post-Saddam chaos, much of which (including museum looting and extensive water and power shortages) was fully anticipated and provided for in those plans, these plans were simply set aside by Rumsfeld. [1].

“Air Force Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, who worked in the Pentagon until her retirement, was with the Office of Special Plans: ‘What I saw was aberrant, pervasive and contrary to good order and discipline,’ Kwiatkowski wrote recently. ‘If one is seeking the answers to why peculiar bits of ‘intelligence’ found sanctity in a presidential speech, or why the post-Saddam occupation has been distinguished by confusion and false steps, one need look no further than the process inside the Office of the Secretary of Defense.’ She described the activities of Rumsfeld’s Office of Special Plans as, ‘A subversion of constitutional limits on executive power and a co-optation through deceit of a large segment of the Congress.’ [2].

In July 2003, “due to ever increasing criticism about the role OSP has played in the gathering of intelligence and the conclusions made to justify the war with Iraq, the Pentagon changed the name of OSP back to its original name, Northern Gulf Affairs Office.” [3].

Julian Borger, in his July 17, 2003 article “The spies who pushed for war,” published by the Guardian/UK, writes that Democratic congressman David Obey said concerning the OSP: “‘The office was charged with collecting, vetting and disseminating intelligence completely outside of the normal intelligence apparatus. In fact, it appears that information collected by this office was in some instances not even shared with established intelligence agencies and in numerous instances was passed on to the National Security Council and the president without having been vetted with anyone other than political appointees’.” [4]

On March 9, 2004, Los Angeles Times’ staff reporter Greg Miller writes that during testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee, George J. Tenet, Director of the CIA, revealed that “A special intelligence unit at the Pentagon provided private prewar briefings to senior White House officials on alleged ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda without the knowledge of [the] CIA Director … [and the] disclosure suggests that a controversial Pentagon office played a greater role than previously understood in shaping the administration’s views on Iraq’s alleged ties to the terrorist network behind the Sept. 11 attacks, and that it bypassed usual channels to make a case that conflicted with the conclusions of CIA analysts.” [5]

In her 4-page article “The New Pentagon Papers” published March 10, 2004, by Salon, Karen Kwiatkowski, “reveals how Defense Department extremists suppressed information and twisted the truth to drive the country to war.” [6]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Office_of_Special_Plans

Oh, Regular, with over 5 million white house emails missing (wink . . . wink), how could one prove anything with this administration?

I also stated congress was a willing partner in looking the other way during the whole fiasco leading up to the war. So just how the hell can that same congress come to any other conclusion? If congress had found against the white house and the CIA, they would have been shooting themselves in the foot. And, gee, that might mean they wouldn’t get reelected. So who are you going to believe, Regular, a corrupt congress bent on getting reelected, or people who were there during this OSP fiasco?

To quote, “Don’t tell me, I already know the answer and that answer is a sad one – it is sad in that it measures the content of your character Regular.”

And you STILL don’t understand why I brought up Douglas Feith’s denials in the first place, so how can you understand anything else brought up here? It had nothing to do with his denials, OSP or his freakin’ book; it had everything to do with how this administration backstabs its own appointees, then cries foul when the appointees bite back. Or how about just the corrupt ones?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/132173/25-Most-Corrupt-Officials-in-the-Bush-Administration

“You can’t erase e-mails, not today,” said Leahy, D-Vermont. “They’ve gone through too many servers. They can’t say they’ve been lost. That’s like saying, ‘The dog ate my homework.’ ”
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/13/white.house.email/index.html

Emails eh?

You want me to bring back those articles on how the Clinton and Gore administration lost millions of emails as well?

It’s still sad that you believe in Internet trash, instead of a Senate Intelligence Committee finding.

As I said, if the people lie in the Senate, they go to prison or at the very least will be admonished by the entire Senate.

So tell me J M Walker, on this particular subject, has that occurred? The answer is of course, no.

James

This time in the part of “Regular” says:

“Or perhaps J R, when he attacks others and talks about their wife or ex-wives and the lies he constantly posts about other posters?”

I have never lied here. If you can prove otherwise I invite you to do so.

“Tip to “peace” loving war protesters: Avoid assaulting people in wheelchairs.
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Sounds like something J R would do.”

I HAVE said I would not hesitate to kick your wrist canes out from under you. But that’s just because you are a despicable person who has threatened to kill me.

“The robe looked well worn and unclean to me. I didn’t make it up.”

YOU’VE room to talk.

Now out of deference to my friend Steven, I chose not to meet you.

For fear Nathan might make trouble.

But I HAVE seen ya James.

You look like a member of ZZ Top that fell through a garbage dump. I should imagine there is an odor I would find nauseating.

Regular:
“But, I have strong suspicions about Chas. Perhaps he was defrocked? I dunno, I remain doubtful.”

Ksgrm:
“Nothing of substance in his posts – Just you are wrong because you are stupid, ignorant, your reading comprehension is bad, etc… His constant lies and exaggerations are ridiculous.

“Does your concern not run in both directions?”

First, of course it does, grm.

I got an email sent to me by Chas, that had a .pdf attachment with his vita and several church ratings on it. It looked ligit to me, but I do confess I am not an expert on such things.

He does appear to do part-time church business as necessitated by his health concerns.

I believe what he says about his business. It is okay with me, if you don’t. I am fairly sure if Christ himself showed up and told you something other than what you wanted to believe, you would not accept it.

Night.

Good night; Good luck;
God Bless – Whatever you conceive God to be!!

Blessings ALL!!

Your schtick is getting real old, McCluer. You accuse Chas of lying about his status as a minister, yet you have clearly lied about your status as a veteran (Viet Nam) your marital status (your wife left you) and your nics (only used one) and your being JM (I am not JM!.)

You have zero credibility, since so many of your lies have been exposed, yet you have the gall to accuse Chas.

What a liar you are, McCluer.

Uh oh — meltdown in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…..

“The problem with people like you Clark, is that you can’t be trusted with personal information.”

Have you ever been to Mississippi, JM?

I never ASKED for your personal information – you have posted SEVERAL version of it, however, Mr. McCluer.

“That’s none of your business either Clark.”

So why do you claim to be a ‘Nam vet one day and then claim to have been too young for ‘Nam the next?

“That’s your problem Clark, no one trusts you and because of your conduct here, you can never be trusted.”

That is funny, JM.

“You don’t get to know the personal aspects of my life Clark.”

I cannot imagine anything more horrifying than knowing the personal aspects of your life, McCluer – my only issue is your credibility and why you lie about the “personal aspects” of your life?

“You use it and abuse it in your daily attacks on posters.”

Using your own words to point out your hypocrisy is not a “daily attack on posters.” It is just showing one know-it-all poster to be the fraud that he is.

So, McCluer, why are you such a liar?

“That’s your problem Clark, no one trusts you and because of your conduct here, you can never be trusted.”

This is from a guy that openly LIES about himself, his experiences and his life.

What a joke?

What a joke!

Hey, McCluer, how was Mississippi?