“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (NIV, John 13:34-35)
Sheesh, why not just equip all passengers with Uzi’s.
“A Canadian company called Lamperd Less Lethal is promoting the EMD Safety Bracelet. It’s equipped with electro muscular disruption technology, which effectively short-circuits the central nervous system. Zap someone and they’ll be completely immobile for several minutes.
The technology isn’t new — cops and security guards have been using it for years in tasers. What’s new is the marketing approach. Lamperd is hawking the EMD bracelet as the ideal tool for fighting terrorists intent on taking over an airplane.
And they’re doing so with a blatantly exploitive promotional video.
You can watch the five minute video, which has gotten more than 33,000 hits at YouTube, but I’ll spare you the trouble by recapping its most egregious claims.
* The video starts with unnecessary footage of 9/11, mugshots of terrorists and a deep-voiced, somber narrator explaining that current airport security equipment doesn’t work. Why? Because it’s operated by TSA employees who make minimum wage — and you know what that means.
* The narrator goes on to say that the next line of defense, armed Federal Air Marshals, also is no good because their aim is so bad that they’ll blow a hole in the fuselage before they actually hit a hijacker.
* That leaves no choice but to equip pilots and cabin crew with EMD safety bracelets, which passengers would have to put on before boarding. When threatened by a highjacker, a flight attendant would transmit an EMD pulse at the terrorist, reducing him to a trembling mass of Jello. The terrorist gets tied up, the plane lands safely and the world is a better place.
Beyond preying on people’s fears and insulting our intelligence, Lamperd is selling a product that’s a horrible idea in the first place. Do you really want those bracelets on your flight? If hijackers get their hands the transmitter, they’ll zap anyone standing in their way. Who’s to say that in the chaos of an emergency a crew member will have time to identify the threat, activate the correct bracelet and fire the EMD pulse before the terrorist has control of the plane?”
I’m going to switch the topic a little. As I picked up my newspaper a few minutes ago, I noticed the Moon is approaching a full moon. I suspect the moon will be full sometime today or tomorrow. The moon is full for that instant when it is exactly on the opposite side of the earth from the sun but it appears to be full for a day or two before or after.
But the subject I want to mention is my thought that Kansas should do away with “daylight savings time.” I believe the states of Arizona and Indiana have already done this. States like Arizona, Indiana and Kansas are located on the west side of their respective time zones so, in effect, they have daylight savings on regular time.
For example, on daylight savings time, yesterday, Friday, 4/19/08, sunrise was at 6:49 AM which is 5 hours, 11 minutes before noon. Sunset was 8:08 or 8 hours, 8 minutes after noon. So total daylight time is 13 hours, 19 minutes.
On standard time, the total daylight time would remain the same of course, but sunrise and sunset would each be an hour earlier.
A couple days ago, I drove west on Highway 54 towards Goddard at 6:30 AM, admittedly under overcast skies. It was dark but the highway and trafficways were loaded with school buses with those eerie strobe lights on their roofs and lots of commuter traffic. WITHOUT daylight savings time, we would have had early morning sunlight at that time.
During the summer, the sun would set an hour earlier with the advantage of earlier cooling in the evenings and less sun in the eyes at baseball games at Lawrence-Dumont Stadium.
The big advantage is we wouldn’t have to reset some 20 clocks and watches twice a year, a pain in the neck.
Today would be a good day to visit the Flint Hills. Right now you can witness the stark interface between spring and winter: the blooming redbuds cast against the still bare bark and limbs of most of the trees, and the sprouting new grass providing a green tinge against the blackened prairie and the denuded limestone ridge lines. Many wildflowers are blossoming now, and the gobbling of tom turkeys searching for hens to add to their harems is especially beautiful to hear at dawn. From death and dormancy emerges life. Take a child with you.
Jwink — I am confused about your early morning sunshine problem driving WESTward to Goddard…. Also, equally confused about how the sun gets in your eyes at a baseball game at Lawrence/Dumont Stadium… The only folks who would be bothered by Sunlight at a ball game would the the Right and Center Fielders, and maybe the 2nd Baseman, on in infield pop fly!!
For everybody else, the sun is at your BACK aat a ball game…
I do hope you can understand my confusion here… Do you play on a team at Lawrence/Dumont??
To be clear: On Monday, I will pay for the lunches of J R, James, and myself. Anyone else is on their own. Will make an exception for Rage if he shows up from AZ.
“KansasNative
Posted April 19, 2008 at 6:11 am | Permalink
“All ypu need is love…love is all you need.”
John Lennon”
“KansasNative
Posted April 19, 2008 at 6:14 am | Permalink
ypu = you (my bad)
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (NIV, John 13:34-35)
Such a simple command from God,”
John Lennon’s idea of love does not equal God’s idea of love.
1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
“1 John 4:8:
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
I guess mcsame already has the “coal vote” locked up, otherwise, he’d be pandering too. Looks like both dem candidates are treating the coal and environmental folks the same way they treat the lgbt community.
Say one thing, do another, and promise both sides
everything. Until “Mr. Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away”.
To those interested in protesting George W. (Worst President Ever) in Greensburg on May 4:
New information, turns out that when President Coward goes anywhere, his vast security team working with the local constabulary shut down the entire town.
Last time he was in Greesburg, even people who lived in town couldn’t get through the cordon.
So given that there’s no chance we’d get anywhere close to President Chickensh!t, no organizations have plans that I know of at this time to protest him.
If my memory serves me correctly, and it does, my original invitations to ‘do lunch’ resulted in the first meet up at Lake Afton. Hosted my Mary and me I thought it a huge success. Many of the attendees I consider friends.
ENVIRONMENT — EPA REFUSES TO ANSWER TO CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENA: This month marks one year since the Supreme Court ordered the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to begin regulating greenhouse gases, which EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson had refused to do. On April 2, the House Global Warming Committee, in a unanimous vote, issued a subpoena for documents relating to the agency’s refusal to follow the Supreme Court mandate. On April 11, the agency asked for an extension on answering the subpoena. However, in a follow-up letter yesterday, the EPA declined to respond to the active subpoena and instead asked the committee to withdraw it. The EPA is also currently defying a subpoena from the House Oversight Committee for related documents. According to a statement by the committee, “If the EPA fails to comply with [the] deadline, Johnson will have triggered a potential contempt process.”
“The big advantage is we wouldn’t have to reset some 20 clocks and watches twice a year, a pain in the neck.”
Life must be hard JWink. LOL. With all the new electronic gadgets these days, we have clocks everywhere! Sometimes, I find a few when we “fall back”, that I never reset to DST.
I’d have to vote NO on the issue. For a working man, I like having more daylight in the evenings to get things done. It’s also much easier to put the night crawlers on the hook when I can see the darn thing.
I used to have a lot of clocks, gave most all of them away to relatives. Got on a clock-buying kick when stationed in Germany. Cost me a fortune shipping them back.
Had coffin style Grandmother Clocks, old 18th century Jungehans Clocks and some other 19th century wall and mantle clocks. Chiming all over the place!
They required a lot of TLC because of their old, mechanical works.
It was a sound to behold though, as none of them were very accurate when on the hour, bells chimed and gonged for about 15-20 minutes.
Parker, who was born April 20, 1893, was recognized by Guinness World Records as the oldest of that group last August after the death of a Japanese woman four months her senior.
JWink I read your post about the bracelets and remembered one of my favor episode of “Cheers”.
Cliff was wearing a shock devise and suddenly someone got hold of the button. “Dance Postman Dance!”.
I LOL every time I watch it! I can picture it now, either the button effects everyone’s bracelet and the cops rush on the plane and the entire passenger list looks like the after math of an orgy. Or two stewardesses are talking in the galley and one is complaining about the rude passenger in seat 36 is being a total jerk. Then the second one smiles and said “watch this” points the button at seat 36 and they both pee their pants laughing!
Fox News ADELANTO, Calif. — A former mayor of a California high desert town and his wife have been sentenced to 6 months in jail for the theft of more than $20,000 from Little League coffers.
Jim Nehmens, 50, and Kelly Nehmens, 44, pleaded guilty to grand theft by embezzlement and perjury Thursday.
The eight-year councilman and Adelanto mayor had resigned from his post on March 31, about a week before he and his wife were arrested.
The former mayor was president of the Adelanto Little League, and his wife was a board member during the years the money from the league’s annual fireworks sales went missing. The money was taken over three years starting in 2004.
Nehmens attorney Grover Porter did not immediately return a call seeking comment Saturday.
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What a rotten person…
I felt it like a hit to the heart, my eyes welled up and I could not breath for a second literally stopped breathing. It was the first time I had heard of it and seeing it made a statement that shook me to the core.
“The doll test” simply it is putting two dolls in front of a child and asking questions about the dolls.
One doll is Black and one doll is White, both look to be modeled after a two year old.
The children in the video are around five years old, all in the video were Black and sweet wide eyed innocents. Each child was asked the same questions independently of each other but the same questions.
“Which is the White doll?” “Which is the Black doll?”.
“which is the Pretty doll?” “which is the ugly doll?”.
“Which is the good doll?” “ Which is the bad doll”.
“Which doll looks like you?”
These sweet, wide eyed beautiful children whom could not have generate one ill feeling in their entire lives.
All of them when asked the first question pointed to the White doll, when asked the second question they pointed to the Black doll. Why oh why do these small innocent sweet children whom should have at such a tender age. Come to see themselves in such a horror able way? Four years old and seeing themselves though these plastic dolls. They can not be ugly or bad at this age I did not see any of them as ugly or bad no more then I see my own four years old grandson being that!
I found the video that was on the special “Meeting David Wilson” a conversation about race.
Watch it please, this said more about how wrong this issue is in this country. How it touches where it should not touch. Those that should never feel this way about themselves at this age or for that matter ever.
John Sidney McCain the Third proposes a repeal of the the gasoline tax between Memorial Day and Labor Day.
Get a load of his reasoning:
“I think psychologically, a lot of our problems today are psychological — confidence, trust, uncertainty about our economic future, ability to keep our own home. [A gas-tax holiday] might give ‘em a little psychological boost. Let’s have some straight talk: it’s not a huge amount of money…. A little psychological boost. That’s what I think [a gas-tax holiday] would help.”
actually. beber, thats a good question — for the test to have real credibility, they would have to use white kids AND black kids… and then do a comparison… they could throw in some oriental kids for a “control” group as well…
I found the questions to be a bit misleading and the conclusion seemed more harsh to the child than anything else.
Why not start with questions like this:
What is the difference between these two dolls?
Do you see any difference between the two dolls?
Is either doll better than the other?
Those questions were set up to lead to a conclusion they obviously wanted to make.
I think it is far more cruel to lead those kids up to saying which doll is more like them after the kid just got done saying which doll was bad and ugly.
There are probably a dozen better ways to do a study like this.
However, I doubt it was anymore of a study than a tool to use as a political statement.
I don’t know Beber, at four I am not sure if white kids even see the difference. I have never noticed any kid at such a young age seeing any differences.
They seem to just see another kid to play with, no different than the other kids they come in contact with.
Sometime ago I started writing something, it is my personal journey involving race relations. One account was witnessing something at Riverside park when I was 12.
two white kids and two black kids about 8 y.o. were playing together, getting along great when a white man paid the white kids to pick a fight with the Black kids. Then took pictures of the black kids hitting the white kids.
Anyway I do not think that it would even occur to white kids that color makes nice or bad, pretty or ugly.
“I think it is far more cruel to lead those kids up to saying which doll is more like them after the kid just got done saying which doll was bad and ugly.” [Nathan(iel)]
If you look at it again, they did not show an entire interview session with just ONE kid… they changed the kids on the video… I amnot at all sure that they kids were asked which one was more like them, before or after they identified the doll as bad and ugly… That is a gross error in making/producing the video… The study itself has been around for quite some time… nothing new there…
Nathan this test has been ran three times since the late forties, each time it has had the same outcome.
The Black kids see the white doll as being better then the Black doll in every way, even picking the white doll over the black doll to play with. These question are not suggestive or directive in any way, except for which doll looks most like you. In another filmed version of the same test, when asked to pick up the doll that looks most like them? Some of the Black children actually picked up the white doll! This is telling in that they do not recognize their own race as being worth being.
Chas this version of the video was truncated and not the full one that was on the special. I am not sure why? But you hit on a point that one of the panel made, if as a child every time you go outside you see the worst actions of those that look like them. very young children are not stupid or unthinking. In many way they are more perceptive then adults and lacking a self centered reasoning. That would allow them to make the difference between themselves and those that seem to be like them. In the same light that a child wants to be like their parent even if that parent has no business being a parent. Its all they know and the role model they have.
Nathan, it is as telling as if I asked you whom do you see as a hero and someone you would like to be like. And you answer, “Charley Mason” instead of Gen. “Chesty” Puller. Its as disturbing as a four years old saying that they do not see anything about their own likeness that is worth being.
We once ran a facsimile of this test on an indian reservation in south dakota… with similar results with the indian kids… they used a white doll — indian doll, and a black doll…
And could that not be the problem Regular? I mean we dismiss it as just the way they are, we recognized that these conditions cause it. Complain about the resulting effects but do nothing to change it as if it does not concern the rest of us. But then it does, when is the last time you were in Northeast Wichita after dark?
I use to spend all night at 21st and Grove, of course I had a model 386 on my hip and was in contact with a dispatcher. You are just as likely to be robbed by someone White as you are someone Black but when you see someone at the front door. Which deep down causes your suspicions to grow?
What color is JR? I mean you seem to be aware he is on public assistances but when someone brings up the topic of welfare what color of people on welfare do you immediately think of? And no I am not accusing you of racism, but pointing out that as much as those children are conditioned to see their own color as being less then their White counter part. WE the Whites also see them that way by nature, how can anyone hope to change it when we dismiss it? Accept it as just the way it is and say Oh yeah we know there is a problem…. Next question?
Nathan as you said they are very straight forward questions, nothing to be confused as to what the question was. It deals with the child perception of themselves, of something that is as superficial as the color of their skin. Their judgment is based solely on the color of the doll, there was nothing other about the appearance that would have lead to their answers. Simply enough as to what these children see as the overall implication of the color of the doll. It transfers they own personal opinion of what they think that color implies. Their color!
Yes, you have a point in that there is more Black on Black crime then White on Black crime and it can be said that the opposite it true too. And since we all live for the most part as a segregated society, the color of your assailant is often determined by where you live. Yet it is true too that deep down one color sets off more red flags in the White community then other whites. In reality seldom are Orientals seen as be a criminal threat when we encounter them within the White community. Latin and Black do not generate the same feeling of comfort about them. Things are getting better, I know what Obama said about his grandmother is a truism as I have witness many white women express the same uneasiness about encounter a Black man.
JR my heart felt sorry, I guess I have seen it so much I thought you were and there have been some of what you have said that made me think that at least your son was on the public medical coverage. You have also made the comment about letting the government take care of you as a way to get back at them. That comment may have been more to get a dig in than the actual case. It does not matter to me if you are or not, it make no difference as to whether your opinions are valid or not. I was using it as an example of how people are not on welfare because of the color of their skin. Yet some make the assumption that people that are on welfare are Black. But it was not meant as a insult, shit guy you have seen what I write. If I was going to insult you I might do better then that! Remember you chastising me for “The total value of your existence at this point in your life is a once a year tax deduction for your parents!” dig I threw at someone that took me to task. I was thinking it was just another fake nic.
Please though, watch the video it said more on the topic then anything I have said.
I dont travel with all of my hardcopy documents… and that Indian study was done WAY before computers… If I could find it, I would scan the results section, so you could all see it… It was done on the Santee Sioux Reservation, on the Missouri River… Somewhere between 1979-81… And, as I said, the results were eerily similar to those in the video here upthread…
Interesting . . . none of the CONs answered why they refuse to speak of love outside of a religious setting.
Oh, sure, they can quote 1st Corinthians 13 chapter and verse, but in real life, it’s always carry a gun to blow somebody’s brains out, lock ‘em up, torture ‘em, execute ‘em, build a missile defense, bomb ‘em back to the stone age.
Dear Members and Friends of The Clergy Letter Project,
As many of you know, Ben Stein’s anti-evolution and anti-intellectual movie, Expelled, was released yesterday. One of the main points the movie makes is that accepting evolution leads directly to atheism. This ridiculous claim is one of many that numerous reviews have attempted to dismiss. More often than not, I’m delighted to say, the evidence used is the existence of The Clergy Letter. The fact that more than 11,100 clergy members from across the United States have signed a statement in support of evolution is making a big difference in countering this claim.
Indeed, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the nation’s largest scientific organization released a statement condemning the film yesterday (http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2008/media/0418aaas_statement.pdf).
The statement begins by saying, “For more than a decade, the nonprofit American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) has been working to build a constructive bridge between scientific and religious communities through its Dialogue on Science, Ethics and Religion and other programs. There also have been many efforts by religious leaders to accomplish the same goal. For example, more than 11,000 clergy have signed an open letter supporting the view that faith and science should be seen as complementary, not competing.” The statement goes on to say that, “We were therefore especially disappointed to learn that the producers of an intelligent design propaganda movie called ‘Expelled’ are inappropriately pitting science against religion.”
Obviously our efforts are being noticed and are making a difference.
I urge you to read the full AAAS statement (at the link above) and to explore a web site set up by the National Center for Science Education entitled Expelled Exposed http://www.expelledexposed.com) if you want to learn more about this movie.
Because of the increased attention The Clergy Letter Project is receiving, this would be a great time to increase the number of clergy who have signed The Clergy Letter, to increase the number of scientists willing to serve as consultants to The Clergy Letter Project and to increase the number of participants in Evolution Weekend 2009 (13-15 February 2009). Please help!!
If your congregation is willing to participate in Evolution Weekend 2009, please let me know. Although it is about 10 months before the event, we already have more than 70 congregations representing 36 states and four countries on board. I’ll post the full list of participants soon, but I’d like for all states to represented when I do that. So please sign up now. And please think about circulating the flyer I’ve created for the event (http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/pdf/evolution%20weekend%202009.doc) to friends and colleagues and on any listserve to which you might subscribe.
Please help spread the word to clergy and scientists and encourage the former to sign The Letter and the letter to enroll as consultants. As you do so, watch our numbers swell and watch our message that religion and science need not be at war take root around the globe.
Because of your efforts to date, we have much to be proud of. Thank you! Unfortunately, there is still a very real need for our message to be heard.
Michael Zimmerman
Office of the Dean
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
Butler University
Indianapolis, IN 46208
Where: Meet in the SE corner of the Lawrence-Dumont Stadium parking
The City of Wichita is coordinating the 7th annual “River Trash Round-Up” scheduled from 10 a.m. to noon on Saturday, May 3.
The City will provide gloves and trash bags for volunteers as well as a packer truck to collect debris. Previous clean-up events have recovered more than a ton of trash from the river and its banks.
Numerous civic and private organizations are joining the clean-up event. They include Schofield Honda, the Sierra Club, the Arkansas River Coalition, the South Central Improvement Alliance, WSU Link students, the WSU Global Awareness Student Project, Coleman Company employees, CDM employees, Bank of America employees and Kansas Department of Health and Environment (KDHE).
Well there Clark, if the answer is not the answer the Libs have in mind, then they can state that whomever doesn’t understand love. (Which defeats the purpose of Lennon’s lyrics imo)
The interpretation of God’s love in my mind is immeasurable and knows no bounds.
“Love is all you need” indicates a one-way street.
That is the acceptance of love, but not the giving of love.
The giving of love, no matter what occurs, is what God’s love is.
Plus, God’s love is spiritual, meant for the being that will be eternal.
I’m sure John Lennon did the best he could offering love and advice. But he died a millionaire didn’t he?
He had no love for the starving or the homeless?
Or is it only when things start to get uncomfortable he can switch off his love and rationalize ill will towards his fellow man.
I liked John Lennon, but he wasn’t perfect, therefore his love nor the understanding of what God’s love isn’t either.
There’s nothing you can do that can’t be done.
Nothing you can sing that can’t be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.
It’s easy.
Nothing you can make that can’t be made.
No one you can save that can’t be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you in time.
It’s easy.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
Nothing you can know that isn’t known.
Nothing you can see that isn’t shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn’t where you’re meant to be.
It’s easy.
All you need is love.
All you need is love.
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together, now!)
All you need is love. (everybody!)
All you need is love, love.
Love is all you need (love is all you need).
I saw “Expelled” last night. It was an extremely thought provoking movie that I would recommend it highly if you are intellectually curious. The fact that there is concern on the part of liberal theocracy as demonstrated in Chas’s post is demonstrative of its impact.
I will put my thoughts together soon about the movie and the its expose’ of the shameful and fearful acts at primarily educational institutions to silence and punish very high caliber scientists who merely mention the possibility of an intelligent designer.
Also, one great scene has the distinguished Darwinist (and atheist)Richard Dawkins admitting that because of the complexity of life, there could be an intelligent designer involved in our development, but it would have to be an alien race capable of space travel. He couldn’t explain how that alien race would have developed but he was very sure it was not by action of God. Space aliens could have done it, But not God!!!!!!!!!!
The evidence is very provocative as to the connection between Darwinism and atheism. Go see the movie Chas. I dare you.
Chas: I was taking Kelly’s advice today to get out and smell the sunflowers. Had morning coffee in Yoder.
Then drove to the Valley of the Ninnescah, west of Kingman. Friends were running their dogs in a amateur and professional dog competition in the Byron Walker Wildlife Area just south of Highway 54. What a beautiful area for those who can appreciate Kansas’ grassland landscapes. Scenery perfect for a Kansas wildlife artist.
But to reply to your questions about my daylight savings time comments. In regard to driving west on Highway 54 BEFORE sunrise Thursday morning (I didn’t say with sun in my eyes), I noticed the amount of commuting traffic mixed with school buses (with some new fangled strobe lights on bus roofs). It occured to me how handy it would be if we were still on STANDARD time so we would have more sunlight at that time for safety of the drivers.
Regarding your astute observation that most baseball fans at Lawrence-Dumont Stadium sit in the covered stands facing east more or less out of the glare of the setting sun. Sorry, I and and number of regular, repeat baseball fans prefer to sit in the HARD BALL CAFE area with the round steel tables to watch the games. Occasionally some dignitaries join us there such as Bob and Mindy Rich, owners of the Wranglers in Wichita, now in Springdale, Arkansas.
I still favor leaving the time in Central Standard Time here in Kansas. Regardless of whether we are on CST or Daylight Savings Time, at any given day, we still have the same number of hours and minutes of sunlight and darkness. Yesterday, we had sunlight 13 hours and 19 minutes. The only question is how the daytime hours are proportioned before and after noon.
Here in Kansas, because we are on the western edge of the Central Standard Time Zone, we automatically have more sunlight after noon than before.
For the fishermen out there, I seem to recall fish bite better during dusk and after dark than before. So don’t give me that excuse.
I would have to ask Ben or Cosmos or other “green” person on this blog … which time system would save more energy here in Kansas? It might be that NOT GOING TO DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME would save more energy than the proposed Holcomb power plants will generate.
Amazing Outlander… Darwin was a VERY religious person… a devout Christian of his time… How Darwin could be linked to Atheism is one of the spurilous claims of the anti Science mongrels… as always…
It takes somebody with a definite mental deficiency to turn away from scientific discovery in the face of so much scientific FACT today, compared to when Darwin lived!!
Every scientific argument that the Christian Church has historically attempted to RULE on has been proven totally wrong!!
Is the CHURCH wrong?? not at all!! Theology and Science may have some common ground… but basically, its apples and oranges…. Science deals in how’s and when’s and if’s… Theology deals in Faith, Love, and he WHY of life… Those things are not intended to be run through the spectrum that is Science…
Dawkins is no better Fundamentalists, wanting to mix up theology in scientific methodology… doesnt work any better for Atheists than for Fundamentalist Christians!! Same old same old!!
Stein’s movie is just more of the same poppy cock that Fundamentalists have been trying to FORCE on the population for years!!
Look — NOBODY would even WANT to tell the Roman Catholic Church that they cannot teach about the Immaculte Conception of Mary… or about the Transubstantiation of the Bread and Wine of the Sacrifice of the Mass….
BUT — You ccan bet your sweet bippy that if the Catholic Church sdaid that their religious doctrines HAD to be taught in public schools… You can bert they would be told to take the Bread and Wine back to the Church Altars!!
Andd the same thing MUST apply to this craziness of teaching ID in public schools… It simply has NO PLACE in public schools… But, by all means, teach it to your heart’s content in your churches!!
That is where it belongs!!
Speaking of sunrise and sunsets and so forth, I am reminded that tonight is the full moon. Technically callendars will give tomorrow, Sunday, as the full moon but that is only because the exact time the Moon is on the opposite side of the Earth is at 6:25 AM tomorrow, Sunday morning. As you can see tonight Saturday night, the rising moon is more full than it will be tomorrow, Sunday night. The difference is not much so the moon will continue to look fairly full for a couple more days.
Of course, in the grand scheme of the moon, on May 5th, the moon will be exactly on the same side of the earth as the sun so it will be basically dark although with some reflected light from the earth … so that’s the NEW MOON.
NOW, FOR THE SPECIAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FULL MOON TO WICHITA AND SOMETHING WICHITA’S MAIN STREAM MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU.
It’s rumored that a local cell of BROWDERITES meet on the top floor of one of the more or less vacant downtown office buildings each month on the night nearest the full moon. Which building? I haven’t been able to find out. Who are Wichita’s Browderites? I also haven’t been able to find out.
So who was Mr. Earl W. Browder? Earl Browder has the distinction of being the only Wichitan nominated twice by his national political party for President of the United States, once in 1936 and again in 1940. Of course, Mr. Browder lost both times to my favorite President of all time, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Earl Browder was born in 1891 in a simple frame house at 621 S. Fern in West Wichita’s Delano community. No need to rush over because it was torn down in the 1990’s for widening of Highway 54 a few blocks east of Friends University.
According to some, Earl married a Wichita girl and even played semi-pro baseball at Wichita’s old Island Park just west of today’s Broadview hotel. Soon after, Earl left Wichita and left little evidence behind.
Browder’s political party, of course, was the American Communist Party for which Browder served a number of years as its national party chairman. Browder was given the dubious honor of coining the phrase “peaceful coexistence” for which he was drummed out of the American Communist Party. He died in 1973 at age 82 in New Jersey.
I suspect one of the goals of this Wichita group of Browderites meeting under the full moon is to promote their slogan, “From the toil, sweat and taxes of the many hard-working middle class Wichitans … to the few regardless of their own perceived needs regardless of their contribution of anything of measurable value.”
It’s said they continue to celebrate their on-going agenda such as building the unwanted, unneeded downtown 1/2 billion dollar downtown ice hockey arena.
So tonight while the full-moon is high overhead, listen for sounds of raucous laughter, strange flickering lights, smells of cheap cigar smoke, floating down from the top floor of a vacant downtown office building.
Relax, it might only be the monthly meeting under the full moon of the Wichita Browderite political club members celebrating their past economic disasters.
Also, one great scene has the distinguished Darwinist (and atheist)Richard Dawkins admitting that because of the complexity of life, there could be an intelligent designer involved in our development, but it would have to be an alien race capable of space travel. He couldn’t explain how that alien race would have developed but he was very sure it was not by action of God. Space aliens could have done it, But not God!!!!!!!!!!
In fact, the scientists interviewed in this movie were not told it was anti-evolution propaganda (as it plainly is), but a more philosophical, balanced treatment of the debate called “Crossroads” (proving, once again, that creationist propagandists have no scruples). So this response wasn’t that hard to understand:
Toward the end of his interview with me, Stein asked whether I could think of any circumstances whatsoever under which intelligent design might have occurred. It’s the kind of challenge I relish, and I set myself the task of imagining the most plausible scenario I could. I wanted to give ID its best shot, however poor that best shot might be. I must have been feeling magnanimous that day, because I was aware that the leading advocates of Intelligent Design are very fond of protesting that they are not talking about God as the designer, but about some unnamed and unspecified intelligence, which might even be an alien from another planet. Indeed, this is the only way they differentiate themselves from fundamentalist creationists, and they do it only when they need to, in order to weasel their way around church/state separation laws. So, bending over backwards to accommodate the IDiots (”oh NOOOOO, of course we aren’t talking about God, this is SCIENCE”) and bending over backwards to make the best case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction scenario.
Well, you will have guessed how Mathis/Stein handled this. I won’t get the exact words right (we were forbidden to bring in recording devices on pain of a $250,000 fine, chillingly announced by some unnamed Gauleiter before the film began), but Stein said something like this. “What? Richard Dawkins BELIEVES IN INTELLIGENT DESIGN.” “Richard Dawkins BELIEVES IN ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE.”
One need not believe what Dawkins says now . He has never been an advocate of the “intelligent aliens” scenario, finding it as silly and lacking in evidence as any intelligent design hypothesis.
Charles: Now come on … are you saying 3,000,000 Kansans must change about 20 clocks each, TWICE A YEAR, so you and your golfing buddies can get in 18 holes between 5 PM and sun down, presumably with time out for a smoke break and a beer?
So, Rage, give them Intelligent Design. They CLAIM it isnt religious. That means it can be anything BUT religion. And THAT would include Evolution! LOL See how fast they balk at that one!!
“my favorite President of all time, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.”
Mine too.
But? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The rest of Jwinks post borders on the absurd. Out of kindness, I’ll not mine it. As I understand it, the man is a salesman. And so knows little about toil and sweat.
And outlander’s flick?
Not interested. Ben Stein is the voice of cartoon characters on shows my kid watches. The poor persecuted Christian majority will earn my concern when they stop THEIR persecutions.
Hey, the smoke break and beer is sort of like the 7th inning stretch… wouldnt be right without it!! ALSO, think of all the little league games that would have to go “under the lights” and tennis courts, and kids soccer games and all kinds of things!! Its not JUST golf… But I am too damned old for the other stuff!!
So, Rage, give them Intelligent Design. They CLAIM it isnt religious. That means it can be anything BUT religion. And THAT would include Evolution! LOL See how fast they balk at that one!!
Were that so, Chas. The only purpose of “intelligent design” is to denigrate and discredit evolutionary theory, the idea being, that this feature and that one and that one couldn’t have evolved–ergo, an intelligent designer (and, of couse, they know who that is–they’re just not saying, believing, stupidly, that faith in a unspecified supernatural intelligence is somehow less of a church/state violation that using the “G” word.
Unfortunately, that pretty much lays bare their mentality. They must honestly believe–contrary to the facts and common sense–that this is all about enforcing some anti-Christian agenda in the schools.
Of course, from their perspective, I suppose that could be considered
correct: mandating anything resembling religious neutrality in the schools is considerd persecution!
When people have power, it’s only natural that they want to keep it!
JWink — WTF it only takes a couple minutes… it really isnt a big deal… And it definitely isnt a liberal CON issue, or a repub. dem. issue… it’s just a CLOCK!!
P.S. Hey, Jay, I see that after months of the right-wingers spouting off the same lie about your personal life, someone finally fell for it.
I still thinking ignoring them is usually the best policy, but I suppose that over enough time the “Big Lie” technique eventually bears fruit. Sigh. . .
Number of clocks: in the car, on the stove, a couple of watches, several wall clocks, and so forth, they add up. Probably should replace with those new “atomic” clocks so they set themselves. I wonder if they correct for daylight savings time?
BTW i have one alarm clock that automatically sets itself no matter where i take it… just plug it in, and Oila!! It displays the right date and time… I think it cost me at most $12
Outlander says,
The evidence is very provocative as to the connection between Darwinism and atheism.
So what? Who cares? Don’t like Darwin’s theory your choice.Don’t believe in God big deal.Why do you guys get so wound up about this stuff.Don’t like public education home school see how easy it is.Want to raise a creepy fundy kid send them to jesus camp I’m sure he will be happy.Just exactly what is it that you want from the liberal side.
Augh I’ve had to sign in repeatedly today. You’d think they’d put the signin right so that it links back here.
Under Intelligent design, just think. We could teach Scientology to the students….afterall it doesn’t say what ‘intelligent designer’ we can use- nobody says an Alien can’t be one!
“For the fishermen out there, I seem to recall fish bite better during dusk and after dark than before. So don’t give me that excuse.”
You miss my point and probably do not fish from a boat.
After working a regular day, I only get so much time to get home, get my boat, travel to the lake, launch, and fish. Then, I have to get up the next day to work, so I don’t stay out beyond dark.
Most boat fishing people I know get OFF the lake before dark. So the more hours of DAYLIGHT we have ON the lake is important fishing time.
Certain species do bite better at dark. Catfish (shore fishing) or Walleye. But if you are casting for bass or crappie/bluegill fishing - that’s a day job.
So it IS my excuse, and millions of other working stiffs and real fishermen.
You didn’t negate it with your comment on “night” fishing.
Why do I bother? Your suggestion is not going anywhere anyway.
I was living in Midwest City at the time of the OKC bombing. I had just taken a shower and was on my way to pay my car insurance. When I got there (in Midwest City) he asked if I had heard the explosion and I replied “no.”
Didn’t think too much of it and had an appointment at the VA hospital in OKC. Well, as you can guess traffic was jammed and there were emergency vehicles everywhere. I ended up pulling over to a friends house to figure out what happened. Everyone was just stunned and speechless.
The only personal connection I had was that I had visited a VA counselor there just two weeks before about my Master’s degree program. He was on the second or third floor I think, don’t remember.
I remember the massive pillars in the lobby and it was hard to believe the bomb took everything out of the front of the building.
Then the TV reminded me of the daycare center in the building. I became ill the rest of the day and quite shaken. No thoughts of revenge, just why. It was quite humbling and drained my emotions.
Political_mama
Posted April 20, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink
There IS PLENTY of evidence of wrongdoing AmWay. Just because you ignore it doesn’t make it so.
You watch those “wives” on Larry King?? Such a brainwashed bunch!! WOW!!
How could ANYbody make any sort of comparison, in their right mind, between what is happening with those Mormon perverts in TX, and the OKC bombing?? That is just REAL damn stupid!! Honest to God, AmWay!! Pull your head out, PLEASE!!
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“All ypu need is love…love is all you need.”
John Lennon
ypu = you (my bad)
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (NIV, John 13:34-35)
Such a simple command from God,
Sheesh, why not just equip all passengers with Uzi’s.
“A Canadian company called Lamperd Less Lethal is promoting the EMD Safety Bracelet. It’s equipped with electro muscular disruption technology, which effectively short-circuits the central nervous system. Zap someone and they’ll be completely immobile for several minutes.
The technology isn’t new — cops and security guards have been using it for years in tasers. What’s new is the marketing approach. Lamperd is hawking the EMD bracelet as the ideal tool for fighting terrorists intent on taking over an airplane.
And they’re doing so with a blatantly exploitive promotional video.
You can watch the five minute video, which has gotten more than 33,000 hits at YouTube, but I’ll spare you the trouble by recapping its most egregious claims.
* The video starts with unnecessary footage of 9/11, mugshots of terrorists and a deep-voiced, somber narrator explaining that current airport security equipment doesn’t work. Why? Because it’s operated by TSA employees who make minimum wage — and you know what that means.
* The narrator goes on to say that the next line of defense, armed Federal Air Marshals, also is no good because their aim is so bad that they’ll blow a hole in the fuselage before they actually hit a hijacker.
* That leaves no choice but to equip pilots and cabin crew with EMD safety bracelets, which passengers would have to put on before boarding. When threatened by a highjacker, a flight attendant would transmit an EMD pulse at the terrorist, reducing him to a trembling mass of Jello. The terrorist gets tied up, the plane lands safely and the world is a better place.
Beyond preying on people’s fears and insulting our intelligence, Lamperd is selling a product that’s a horrible idea in the first place. Do you really want those bracelets on your flight? If hijackers get their hands the transmitter, they’ll zap anyone standing in their way. Who’s to say that in the chaos of an emergency a crew member will have time to identify the threat, activate the correct bracelet and fire the EMD pulse before the terrorist has control of the plane?”
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/04/can-this-little.html
Nice intro Ks Native.
I’m going to switch the topic a little. As I picked up my newspaper a few minutes ago, I noticed the Moon is approaching a full moon. I suspect the moon will be full sometime today or tomorrow. The moon is full for that instant when it is exactly on the opposite side of the earth from the sun but it appears to be full for a day or two before or after.
But the subject I want to mention is my thought that Kansas should do away with “daylight savings time.” I believe the states of Arizona and Indiana have already done this. States like Arizona, Indiana and Kansas are located on the west side of their respective time zones so, in effect, they have daylight savings on regular time.
For example, on daylight savings time, yesterday, Friday, 4/19/08, sunrise was at 6:49 AM which is 5 hours, 11 minutes before noon. Sunset was 8:08 or 8 hours, 8 minutes after noon. So total daylight time is 13 hours, 19 minutes.
On standard time, the total daylight time would remain the same of course, but sunrise and sunset would each be an hour earlier.
A couple days ago, I drove west on Highway 54 towards Goddard at 6:30 AM, admittedly under overcast skies. It was dark but the highway and trafficways were loaded with school buses with those eerie strobe lights on their roofs and lots of commuter traffic. WITHOUT daylight savings time, we would have had early morning sunlight at that time.
During the summer, the sun would set an hour earlier with the advantage of earlier cooling in the evenings and less sun in the eyes at baseball games at Lawrence-Dumont Stadium.
The big advantage is we wouldn’t have to reset some 20 clocks and watches twice a year, a pain in the neck.
I presume all WE bloggers would agree?
I like the long afternoons; many people do as it gives them free time after work.
Today would be a good day to visit the Flint Hills. Right now you can witness the stark interface between spring and winter: the blooming redbuds cast against the still bare bark and limbs of most of the trees, and the sprouting new grass providing a green tinge against the blackened prairie and the denuded limestone ridge lines. Many wildflowers are blossoming now, and the gobbling of tom turkeys searching for hens to add to their harems is especially beautiful to hear at dawn. From death and dormancy emerges life. Take a child with you.
I like this new registration that Weblog requires. Now I can go from Opinion Line to here without having had to register separately. Thanks Eagle.
I LIKE Daylight savings time and wish it would be standard year round.
What wants to have it dark at 6 PM? Let it be dark in the morning when people are asleep.
Jwink — I am confused about your early morning sunshine problem driving WESTward to Goddard…. Also, equally confused about how the sun gets in your eyes at a baseball game at Lawrence/Dumont Stadium… The only folks who would be bothered by Sunlight at a ball game would the the Right and Center Fielders, and maybe the 2nd Baseman, on in infield pop fly!!
For everybody else, the sun is at your BACK aat a ball game…
I do hope you can understand my confusion here… Do you play on a team at Lawrence/Dumont??
To be clear: On Monday, I will pay for the lunches of J R, James, and myself. Anyone else is on their own. Will make an exception for Rage if he shows up from AZ.
Hope that lunch thing works out Steven… sending you an email this morning…
Good morning Steven!
I got a lot of money that says you’ll be eating alone on Monday. I’m surprised no one has called you on your ‘threat’.
In the past when I invited people to lunch they ran like rabbits!
“I presume all WE bloggers would agree?”
Good one JWink.
“KansasNative
Posted April 19, 2008 at 6:11 am | Permalink
“All ypu need is love…love is all you need.”
John Lennon”
“KansasNative
Posted April 19, 2008 at 6:14 am | Permalink
ypu = you (my bad)
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” (NIV, John 13:34-35)
Such a simple command from God,”
John Lennon’s idea of love does not equal God’s idea of love.
“1 Corinthians 13
Love
1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
“1 John 4:8:
8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.”
Hmmmm….
I guess mcsame already has the “coal vote” locked up, otherwise, he’d be pandering too. Looks like both dem candidates are treating the coal and environmental folks the same way they treat the lgbt community.
Say one thing, do another, and promise both sides
everything. Until “Mr. Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away”.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080419/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_coal
Good morning ksfarmgrrl,
What is lgbt?
Thanks!
Lesbian Gay Bi-sexual and Transgendered LGBT
American writes, John Lennon’s idea of love does not equal God’s idea of love.
And isn’t it interesting that one never hears CONs talking about “love thy neighbor.”
It’s always “carry a gun and shoot their head off” or “throw the b@st@rds in jail” or “nuke ‘em.”
Jesus wept (thanks Ksfarmgrrl)
“In the past when I invited people to lunch they ran like rabbits!”
That’s cause they didn’t want to meet you, Hank, no surprise there.
Jay–
Correct.
I would prefer we just stay on daylight saving time all year.
I hate it in October when the days are so short anyway that we have to “fall back” and make the days even “shorter” in the evening.
To those interested in protesting George W. (Worst President Ever) in Greensburg on May 4:
New information, turns out that when President Coward goes anywhere, his vast security team working with the local constabulary shut down the entire town.
Last time he was in Greesburg, even people who lived in town couldn’t get through the cordon.
So given that there’s no chance we’d get anywhere close to President Chickensh!t, no organizations have plans that I know of at this time to protest him.
I have to work all day Monday, Steven. Make it Friday next time and I’ll buy . . .
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HLP
Posted April 19, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
Good morning Steven!
I got a lot of money that says you’ll be eating alone on Monday. I’m surprised no one has called you on your ‘threat’.
In the past when I invited people to lunch they ran like rabbits!
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Awwww Hank,
I’m the real deal. Both will realize that when they meet me. Hopefully it will be a cordial meeting as I wouldn’t want to upset anyone’s mid-day meal.
Hank owes you money Steven.
“I got a lot of money that says you’ll be eating alone on Monday.”
I guess you and he will have to settle on what is “a lot of money”.
I WILL be there.
Good Morning Capn!
If my memory serves me correctly, and it does, my original invitations to ‘do lunch’ resulted in the first meet up at Lake Afton. Hosted my Mary and me I thought it a huge success. Many of the attendees I consider friends.
ENVIRONMENT — EPA REFUSES TO ANSWER TO CONGRESSIONAL SUBPOENA: This month marks one year since the Supreme Court ordered the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to begin regulating greenhouse gases, which EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson had refused to do. On April 2, the House Global Warming Committee, in a unanimous vote, issued a subpoena for documents relating to the agency’s refusal to follow the Supreme Court mandate. On April 11, the agency asked for an extension on answering the subpoena. However, in a follow-up letter yesterday, the EPA declined to respond to the active subpoena and instead asked the committee to withdraw it. The EPA is also currently defying a subpoena from the House Oversight Committee for related documents. According to a statement by the committee, “If the EPA fails to comply with [the] deadline, Johnson will have triggered a potential contempt process.”
“The big advantage is we wouldn’t have to reset some 20 clocks and watches twice a year, a pain in the neck.”
Life must be hard JWink. LOL. With all the new electronic gadgets these days, we have clocks everywhere! Sometimes, I find a few when we “fall back”, that I never reset to DST.
I’d have to vote NO on the issue. For a working man, I like having more daylight in the evenings to get things done. It’s also much easier to put the night crawlers on the hook when I can see the darn thing.
JWink,
I used to have a lot of clocks, gave most all of them away to relatives. Got on a clock-buying kick when stationed in Germany. Cost me a fortune shipping them back.
Had coffin style Grandmother Clocks, old 18th century Jungehans Clocks and some other 19th century wall and mantle clocks. Chiming all over the place!
They required a lot of TLC because of their old, mechanical works.
It was a sound to behold though, as none of them were very accurate when on the hour, bells chimed and gonged for about 15-20 minutes.
Indiana Woman, Oldest Known Person, Turns 115 on Sunday
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351781,00.html
Parker, who was born April 20, 1893, was recognized by Guinness World Records as the oldest of that group last August after the death of a Japanese woman four months her senior.
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Sweet mother of pearl!
Has that lady seen some things in her lifetime!
JWink I read your post about the bracelets and remembered one of my favor episode of “Cheers”.
Cliff was wearing a shock devise and suddenly someone got hold of the button. “Dance Postman Dance!”.
I LOL every time I watch it! I can picture it now, either the button effects everyone’s bracelet and the cops rush on the plane and the entire passenger list looks like the after math of an orgy. Or two stewardesses are talking in the galley and one is complaining about the rude passenger in seat 36 is being a total jerk. Then the second one smiles and said “watch this” points the button at seat 36 and they both pee their pants laughing!
Sorry it was JMWalker who posted about the bracelets.
Fox News
ADELANTO, Calif. — A former mayor of a California high desert town and his wife have been sentenced to 6 months in jail for the theft of more than $20,000 from Little League coffers.
Jim Nehmens, 50, and Kelly Nehmens, 44, pleaded guilty to grand theft by embezzlement and perjury Thursday.
The eight-year councilman and Adelanto mayor had resigned from his post on March 31, about a week before he and his wife were arrested.
The former mayor was president of the Adelanto Little League, and his wife was a board member during the years the money from the league’s annual fireworks sales went missing. The money was taken over three years starting in 2004.
Nehmens attorney Grover Porter did not immediately return a call seeking comment Saturday.
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What a rotten person…
Will make an exception for Rage if he shows up from AZ.
Truly appreciate the offer, Steven, but as you might expect, flying in for Monday lunch ain’t happening. Too bad. Watermark is a cool place to imbibe.
TODAY AND THE DOLL TEST
I felt it like a hit to the heart, my eyes welled up and I could not breath for a second literally stopped breathing. It was the first time I had heard of it and seeing it made a statement that shook me to the core.
“The doll test” simply it is putting two dolls in front of a child and asking questions about the dolls.
One doll is Black and one doll is White, both look to be modeled after a two year old.
The children in the video are around five years old, all in the video were Black and sweet wide eyed innocents. Each child was asked the same questions independently of each other but the same questions.
“Which is the White doll?” “Which is the Black doll?”.
“which is the Pretty doll?” “which is the ugly doll?”.
“Which is the good doll?” “ Which is the bad doll”.
“Which doll looks like you?”
These sweet, wide eyed beautiful children whom could not have generate one ill feeling in their entire lives.
All of them when asked the first question pointed to the White doll, when asked the second question they pointed to the Black doll. Why oh why do these small innocent sweet children whom should have at such a tender age. Come to see themselves in such a horror able way? Four years old and seeing themselves though these plastic dolls. They can not be ugly or bad at this age I did not see any of them as ugly or bad no more then I see my own four years old grandson being that!
I found the video that was on the special “Meeting David Wilson” a conversation about race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG7U1QsUd1g&NR=1
Watch it please, this said more about how wrong this issue is in this country. How it touches where it should not touch. Those that should never feel this way about themselves at this age or for that matter ever.
John Sidney McCain the Third proposes a repeal of the the gasoline tax between Memorial Day and Labor Day.
Get a load of his reasoning:
“I think psychologically, a lot of our problems today are psychological — confidence, trust, uncertainty about our economic future, ability to keep our own home. [A gas-tax holiday] might give ‘em a little psychological boost. Let’s have some straight talk: it’s not a huge amount of money…. A little psychological boost. That’s what I think [a gas-tax holiday] would help.”
What I want from McCain is his psychological evalustion.
Good editorial yesterday I think about the proKan Miller recycling center.
Did you know you can recycle almost everything there except styrofoam?
Everything from old mail (use a black marker to block your personal information) to cereal boxes and all plastics and cardboards.
I HAD been just recycling the stuff that the Dillons bins take.
But what a great place! You can drive right in, park, and there is a labeled location for all your recyclables.
It’s run by volunteers though so the hours are limited.
Check it out.
I wonder what would happen writer if the children were white?
actually. beber, thats a good question — for the test to have real credibility, they would have to use white kids AND black kids… and then do a comparison… they could throw in some oriental kids for a “control” group as well…
I found the questions to be a bit misleading and the conclusion seemed more harsh to the child than anything else.
Why not start with questions like this:
What is the difference between these two dolls?
Do you see any difference between the two dolls?
Is either doll better than the other?
Those questions were set up to lead to a conclusion they obviously wanted to make.
I think it is far more cruel to lead those kids up to saying which doll is more like them after the kid just got done saying which doll was bad and ugly.
There are probably a dozen better ways to do a study like this.
However, I doubt it was anymore of a study than a tool to use as a political statement.
I don’t know Beber, at four I am not sure if white kids even see the difference. I have never noticed any kid at such a young age seeing any differences.
They seem to just see another kid to play with, no different than the other kids they come in contact with.
Sometime ago I started writing something, it is my personal journey involving race relations. One account was witnessing something at Riverside park when I was 12.
two white kids and two black kids about 8 y.o. were playing together, getting along great when a white man paid the white kids to pick a fight with the Black kids. Then took pictures of the black kids hitting the white kids.
Anyway I do not think that it would even occur to white kids that color makes nice or bad, pretty or ugly.
“I think it is far more cruel to lead those kids up to saying which doll is more like them after the kid just got done saying which doll was bad and ugly.” [Nathan(iel)]
If you look at it again, they did not show an entire interview session with just ONE kid… they changed the kids on the video… I amnot at all sure that they kids were asked which one was more like them, before or after they identified the doll as bad and ugly… That is a gross error in making/producing the video… The study itself has been around for quite some time… nothing new there…
ALSO, the video clip doesnt say WHAT neighborhoods the kids were from…
Nathan this test has been ran three times since the late forties, each time it has had the same outcome.
The Black kids see the white doll as being better then the Black doll in every way, even picking the white doll over the black doll to play with. These question are not suggestive or directive in any way, except for which doll looks most like you. In another filmed version of the same test, when asked to pick up the doll that looks most like them? Some of the Black children actually picked up the white doll! This is telling in that they do not recognize their own race as being worth being.
Speaks mountains, eh Dog??
Writerdog,
How is it telling of that?
I would have to see the meat of these studies and how they came to the conclusions you claim.
Chas this version of the video was truncated and not the full one that was on the special. I am not sure why? But you hit on a point that one of the panel made, if as a child every time you go outside you see the worst actions of those that look like them. very young children are not stupid or unthinking. In many way they are more perceptive then adults and lacking a self centered reasoning. That would allow them to make the difference between themselves and those that seem to be like them. In the same light that a child wants to be like their parent even if that parent has no business being a parent. Its all they know and the role model they have.
Nathan, it is as telling as if I asked you whom do you see as a hero and someone you would like to be like. And you answer, “Charley Mason” instead of Gen. “Chesty” Puller. Its as disturbing as a four years old saying that they do not see anything about their own likeness that is worth being.
They usually talk about that study in every freshman General Psychology class.
Usually a test question or two pops up about what type of conditioning, environment and other blah, blah of which I have long forgotten are addressed.
We once ran a facsimile of this test on an indian reservation in south dakota… with similar results with the indian kids… they used a white doll — indian doll, and a black doll…
the indian kids were Pre-K, ages 4 - 5
“John Lennon’s idea of love does not equal God’s idea of love.”
Please tell us the difference.
And could that not be the problem Regular? I mean we dismiss it as just the way they are, we recognized that these conditions cause it. Complain about the resulting effects but do nothing to change it as if it does not concern the rest of us. But then it does, when is the last time you were in Northeast Wichita after dark?
I use to spend all night at 21st and Grove, of course I had a model 386 on my hip and was in contact with a dispatcher. You are just as likely to be robbed by someone White as you are someone Black but when you see someone at the front door. Which deep down causes your suspicions to grow?
What color is JR? I mean you seem to be aware he is on public assistances but when someone brings up the topic of welfare what color of people on welfare do you immediately think of? And no I am not accusing you of racism, but pointing out that as much as those children are conditioned to see their own color as being less then their White counter part. WE the Whites also see them that way by nature, how can anyone hope to change it when we dismiss it? Accept it as just the way it is and say Oh yeah we know there is a problem…. Next question?
Here is my point writerdog:
There is a big gap between those very basic question and your assertion that “they do not see anything about their own likeness that is worth being.”
How do you go from those question to
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“they do not see anything about their own likeness that is worth being.”
Writerdog,
“You are just as likely to be robbed by someone White as you are someone Black.”
I think that would depend on where you lived.
Your test may reflect nothing more than the marketing of dolls.
“What color is JR? I mean you seem to be aware he is on public assistances …”
What the hell writerdog?
I am not on any public assistance. Why are you taking shots at me like that?
I was gonna watch the video that has generated all this discussion. Now I think I won’t bother.
Keep me out of your posts and your shots. I’m not even posting as to this.
Blue Jay, they hit you with that line of BS every day… and for what reason?? Just flaming!!
Dub Dog was not flaming - he is not that type, Chas.
OK — just dont know why so many daily take pot shots at JR being on welfare!! Just fail to understand that…
Nathan as you said they are very straight forward questions, nothing to be confused as to what the question was. It deals with the child perception of themselves, of something that is as superficial as the color of their skin. Their judgment is based solely on the color of the doll, there was nothing other about the appearance that would have lead to their answers. Simply enough as to what these children see as the overall implication of the color of the doll. It transfers they own personal opinion of what they think that color implies. Their color!
Yes, you have a point in that there is more Black on Black crime then White on Black crime and it can be said that the opposite it true too. And since we all live for the most part as a segregated society, the color of your assailant is often determined by where you live. Yet it is true too that deep down one color sets off more red flags in the White community then other whites. In reality seldom are Orientals seen as be a criminal threat when we encounter them within the White community. Latin and Black do not generate the same feeling of comfort about them. Things are getting better, I know what Obama said about his grandmother is a truism as I have witness many white women express the same uneasiness about encounter a Black man.
JR my heart felt sorry, I guess I have seen it so much I thought you were and there have been some of what you have said that made me think that at least your son was on the public medical coverage. You have also made the comment about letting the government take care of you as a way to get back at them. That comment may have been more to get a dig in than the actual case. It does not matter to me if you are or not, it make no difference as to whether your opinions are valid or not. I was using it as an example of how people are not on welfare because of the color of their skin. Yet some make the assumption that people that are on welfare are Black. But it was not meant as a insult, shit guy you have seen what I write. If I was going to insult you I might do better then that! Remember you chastising me for “The total value of your existence at this point in your life is a once a year tax deduction for your parents!” dig I threw at someone that took me to task. I was thinking it was just another fake nic.
Please though, watch the video it said more on the topic then anything I have said.
Well guys I better do something other then sat here.
BTW JR forgive me you know I am not perfect! Afterall I am a Republican!
I dont travel with all of my hardcopy documents… and that Indian study was done WAY before computers… If I could find it, I would scan the results section, so you could all see it… It was done on the Santee Sioux Reservation, on the Missouri River… Somewhere between 1979-81… And, as I said, the results were eerily similar to those in the video here upthread…
American writes:
John Lennon’s idea of love does not equal God’s idea of love.
John writes: “Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.” (John 4:8)
John is right…God is love not an idea of love. However John Lennon practiced love. I hope that American and the other bloggers do as well.
Interesting . . . none of the CONs answered why they refuse to speak of love outside of a religious setting.
Oh, sure, they can quote 1st Corinthians 13 chapter and verse, but in real life, it’s always carry a gun to blow somebody’s brains out, lock ‘em up, torture ‘em, execute ‘em, build a missile defense, bomb ‘em back to the stone age.
Jesus wept.
It’s an easy question to answer Capn.
God’s love is eternal.
John Lennon is dead.
FOR ALL INTERESTED >>>>
Dear Members and Friends of The Clergy Letter Project,
As many of you know, Ben Stein’s anti-evolution and anti-intellectual movie, Expelled, was released yesterday. One of the main points the movie makes is that accepting evolution leads directly to atheism. This ridiculous claim is one of many that numerous reviews have attempted to dismiss. More often than not, I’m delighted to say, the evidence used is the existence of The Clergy Letter. The fact that more than 11,100 clergy members from across the United States have signed a statement in support of evolution is making a big difference in countering this claim.
Indeed, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the nation’s largest scientific organization released a statement condemning the film yesterday (http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2008/media/0418aaas_statement.pdf).
The statement begins by saying, “For more than a decade, the nonprofit American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) has been working to build a constructive bridge between scientific and religious communities through its Dialogue on Science, Ethics and Religion and other programs. There also have been many efforts by religious leaders to accomplish the same goal. For example, more than 11,000 clergy have signed an open letter supporting the view that faith and science should be seen as complementary, not competing.” The statement goes on to say that, “We were therefore especially disappointed to learn that the producers of an intelligent design propaganda movie called ‘Expelled’ are inappropriately pitting science against religion.”
mz@butler.edu
CONCLUSION OF ABOVE >>>>
Obviously our efforts are being noticed and are making a difference.
I urge you to read the full AAAS statement (at the link above) and to explore a web site set up by the National Center for Science Education entitled Expelled Exposed http://www.expelledexposed.com) if you want to learn more about this movie.
Because of the increased attention The Clergy Letter Project is receiving, this would be a great time to increase the number of clergy who have signed The Clergy Letter, to increase the number of scientists willing to serve as consultants to The Clergy Letter Project and to increase the number of participants in Evolution Weekend 2009 (13-15 February 2009). Please help!!
If your congregation is willing to participate in Evolution Weekend 2009, please let me know. Although it is about 10 months before the event, we already have more than 70 congregations representing 36 states and four countries on board. I’ll post the full list of participants soon, but I’d like for all states to represented when I do that. So please sign up now. And please think about circulating the flyer I’ve created for the event (http://www.butler.edu/clergyproject/pdf/evolution%20weekend%202009.doc) to friends and colleagues and on any listserve to which you might subscribe.
Please help spread the word to clergy and scientists and encourage the former to sign The Letter and the letter to enroll as consultants. As you do so, watch our numbers swell and watch our message that religion and science need not be at war take root around the globe.
Because of your efforts to date, we have much to be proud of. Thank you! Unfortunately, there is still a very real need for our message to be heard.
Michael Zimmerman
Office of the Dean
College of Liberal Arts and Sciences
Butler University
Indianapolis, IN 46208
Tel: 317.940.9224
Fax: 317.940.8815
Yes CapN Very interesting!!
Date: April 18, 2008
Contact: Libby Albers, Environmental Specialist, Environmental Services
E-mail: LAlbers@wichita.gov
Phone: (316) 337-9262
What: “River Trash Round-Up”
When: 10 a.m. to Noon, Saturday, May 3
Where: Meet in the SE corner of the Lawrence-Dumont Stadium parking
The City of Wichita is coordinating the 7th annual “River Trash Round-Up” scheduled from 10 a.m. to noon on Saturday, May 3.
The City will provide gloves and trash bags for volunteers as well as a packer truck to collect debris. Previous clean-up events have recovered more than a ton of trash from the river and its banks.
Numerous civic and private organizations are joining the clean-up event. They include Schofield Honda, the Sierra Club, the Arkansas River Coalition, the South Central Improvement Alliance, WSU Link students, the WSU Global Awareness Student Project, Coleman Company employees, CDM employees, Bank of America employees and Kansas Department of Health and Environment (KDHE).
“God’s love is eternal. - John Lennon is dead.”
That was not the question. What is the difference between the “love” of “All You Need Is Love” and God’s love?
Is Jwink one of those “drive by” posters that phillip mentioned in the Sign-in R3gistration thread??
Well there Clark, if the answer is not the answer the Libs have in mind, then they can state that whomever doesn’t understand love. (Which defeats the purpose of Lennon’s lyrics imo)
The interpretation of God’s love in my mind is immeasurable and knows no bounds.
“Love is all you need” indicates a one-way street.
That is the acceptance of love, but not the giving of love.
The giving of love, no matter what occurs, is what God’s love is.
Plus, God’s love is spiritual, meant for the being that will be eternal.
I’m sure John Lennon did the best he could offering love and advice. But he died a millionaire didn’t he?
He had no love for the starving or the homeless?
Or is it only when things start to get uncomfortable he can switch off his love and rationalize ill will towards his fellow man.
I liked John Lennon, but he wasn’t perfect, therefore his love nor the understanding of what God’s love isn’t either.
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Chas
Posted April 19, 2008 at 8:42 pm | Permalink
Is Jwink one of those “drive by” posters that phillip mentioned in the Sign-in R3gistration thread??
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JWink has been posting on the blog forever.
I thought he had Regular, which was why I was surprised that I got no answer out of him earlier on my sunshine questionsd at Lawrence Stqdium
JWink usually just does local issues, says his piece, then heads on out.
He hardly ever interacts.
I think the downtown arena issue was one where he was the most active.
““Love is all you need” indicates a one-way street.
That is the acceptance of love, but not the giving of love.” [Regular]
Ummmm I would suggest you go listen to the lyrics of the song again!! Definitely not talking about a one-way street!!
““Love is all you need” indicates a one-way street.”
Bullshit.
“He had no love for the starving or the homeless?”
Bullshit, again.
“I’m sure John Lennon did the best he could offering love and advice. But he died a millionaire didn’t he?”
What does that have to do with the point?
WSClark
Posted April 19, 2008 at 8:55 pm | Permalink
““Love is all you need” indicates a one-way street.”
Bullshit.
“He had no love for the starving or the homeless?”
Bullshit, again.
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LOL
Clark you are truly predictable.
Only WSClark could reply to a question about love with “Bullshit.”
LOL
“Only WSClark could reply to a question about love with “Bullshit.””
The bullshit comment was in response to your usual idiotic commentary.
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Nothing you can sing that can’t be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game.
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No one you can save that can’t be saved.
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Nowhere you can be that isn’t where you’re meant to be.
It’s easy.
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He you go Clark.
Type love in Google.
There are 1,870,000,000 hits.
“There are 1,870,000,000 hits.”
And?
I saw “Expelled” last night. It was an extremely thought provoking movie that I would recommend it highly if you are intellectually curious. The fact that there is concern on the part of liberal theocracy as demonstrated in Chas’s post is demonstrative of its impact.
I will put my thoughts together soon about the movie and the its expose’ of the shameful and fearful acts at primarily educational institutions to silence and punish very high caliber scientists who merely mention the possibility of an intelligent designer.
Also, one great scene has the distinguished Darwinist (and atheist)Richard Dawkins admitting that because of the complexity of life, there could be an intelligent designer involved in our development, but it would have to be an alien race capable of space travel. He couldn’t explain how that alien race would have developed but he was very sure it was not by action of God. Space aliens could have done it, But not God!!!!!!!!!!
The evidence is very provocative as to the connection between Darwinism and atheism. Go see the movie Chas. I dare you.
Chas: I was taking Kelly’s advice today to get out and smell the sunflowers. Had morning coffee in Yoder.
Then drove to the Valley of the Ninnescah, west of Kingman. Friends were running their dogs in a amateur and professional dog competition in the Byron Walker Wildlife Area just south of Highway 54. What a beautiful area for those who can appreciate Kansas’ grassland landscapes. Scenery perfect for a Kansas wildlife artist.
But to reply to your questions about my daylight savings time comments. In regard to driving west on Highway 54 BEFORE sunrise Thursday morning (I didn’t say with sun in my eyes), I noticed the amount of commuting traffic mixed with school buses (with some new fangled strobe lights on bus roofs). It occured to me how handy it would be if we were still on STANDARD time so we would have more sunlight at that time for safety of the drivers.
Regarding your astute observation that most baseball fans at Lawrence-Dumont Stadium sit in the covered stands facing east more or less out of the glare of the setting sun. Sorry, I and and number of regular, repeat baseball fans prefer to sit in the HARD BALL CAFE area with the round steel tables to watch the games. Occasionally some dignitaries join us there such as Bob and Mindy Rich, owners of the Wranglers in Wichita, now in Springdale, Arkansas.
I still favor leaving the time in Central Standard Time here in Kansas. Regardless of whether we are on CST or Daylight Savings Time, at any given day, we still have the same number of hours and minutes of sunlight and darkness. Yesterday, we had sunlight 13 hours and 19 minutes. The only question is how the daytime hours are proportioned before and after noon.
Here in Kansas, because we are on the western edge of the Central Standard Time Zone, we automatically have more sunlight after noon than before.
For the fishermen out there, I seem to recall fish bite better during dusk and after dark than before. So don’t give me that excuse.
I would have to ask Ben or Cosmos or other “green” person on this blog … which time system would save more energy here in Kansas? It might be that NOT GOING TO DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME would save more energy than the proposed Holcomb power plants will generate.
Amazing Outlander… Darwin was a VERY religious person… a devout Christian of his time… How Darwin could be linked to Atheism is one of the spurilous claims of the anti Science mongrels… as always…
It takes somebody with a definite mental deficiency to turn away from scientific discovery in the face of so much scientific FACT today, compared to when Darwin lived!!
Every scientific argument that the Christian Church has historically attempted to RULE on has been proven totally wrong!!
Is the CHURCH wrong?? not at all!! Theology and Science may have some common ground… but basically, its apples and oranges…. Science deals in how’s and when’s and if’s… Theology deals in Faith, Love, and he WHY of life… Those things are not intended to be run through the spectrum that is Science…
Thanks Jwink!! I like Hrd Ball Cafe are myself once in a while… usually sit out there during the NBC Tournaments…
I prefer Daylight time in Summer… If I get a tee time of 5 p.m., I can still play 18 before dark… Cant do that on Standard time!!
Dawkins is no better Fundamentalists, wanting to mix up theology in scientific methodology… doesnt work any better for Atheists than for Fundamentalist Christians!! Same old same old!!
++ Dawkins isd no better * THAN *
Whether or not Darwin was himself religious, has nothing to do with the practical affect of his theory.
The subject of my post was thee movie Chas. Go see it and then we will have a common frame of reference.
Stein’s movie is just more of the same poppy cock that Fundamentalists have been trying to FORCE on the population for years!!
Look — NOBODY would even WANT to tell the Roman Catholic Church that they cannot teach about the Immaculte Conception of Mary… or about the Transubstantiation of the Bread and Wine of the Sacrifice of the Mass….
BUT — You ccan bet your sweet bippy that if the Catholic Church sdaid that their religious doctrines HAD to be taught in public schools… You can bert they would be told to take the Bread and Wine back to the Church Altars!!
Andd the same thing MUST apply to this craziness of teaching ID in public schools… It simply has NO PLACE in public schools… But, by all means, teach it to your heart’s content in your churches!!
That is where it belongs!!
and Chas puts his fingers in his ears and goes
“la la la la la la la la la la la la”
James you go ahead and teach whatever you want in your Church.. Thats where it belongs!! It doesnt belong in the school room!!
James, I am afrid it is your bunch of folks who have their fingers in their ears!!
Speaking of sunrise and sunsets and so forth, I am reminded that tonight is the full moon. Technically callendars will give tomorrow, Sunday, as the full moon but that is only because the exact time the Moon is on the opposite side of the Earth is at 6:25 AM tomorrow, Sunday morning. As you can see tonight Saturday night, the rising moon is more full than it will be tomorrow, Sunday night. The difference is not much so the moon will continue to look fairly full for a couple more days.
Of course, in the grand scheme of the moon, on May 5th, the moon will be exactly on the same side of the earth as the sun so it will be basically dark although with some reflected light from the earth … so that’s the NEW MOON.
NOW, FOR THE SPECIAL SIGNIFICANCE OF THE FULL MOON TO WICHITA AND SOMETHING WICHITA’S MAIN STREAM MEDIA WON’T TELL YOU.
It’s rumored that a local cell of BROWDERITES meet on the top floor of one of the more or less vacant downtown office buildings each month on the night nearest the full moon. Which building? I haven’t been able to find out. Who are Wichita’s Browderites? I also haven’t been able to find out.
So who was Mr. Earl W. Browder? Earl Browder has the distinction of being the only Wichitan nominated twice by his national political party for President of the United States, once in 1936 and again in 1940. Of course, Mr. Browder lost both times to my favorite President of all time, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
Earl Browder was born in 1891 in a simple frame house at 621 S. Fern in West Wichita’s Delano community. No need to rush over because it was torn down in the 1990’s for widening of Highway 54 a few blocks east of Friends University.
According to some, Earl married a Wichita girl and even played semi-pro baseball at Wichita’s old Island Park just west of today’s Broadview hotel. Soon after, Earl left Wichita and left little evidence behind.
Browder’s political party, of course, was the American Communist Party for which Browder served a number of years as its national party chairman. Browder was given the dubious honor of coining the phrase “peaceful coexistence” for which he was drummed out of the American Communist Party. He died in 1973 at age 82 in New Jersey.
I suspect one of the goals of this Wichita group of Browderites meeting under the full moon is to promote their slogan, “From the toil, sweat and taxes of the many hard-working middle class Wichitans … to the few regardless of their own perceived needs regardless of their contribution of anything of measurable value.”
It’s said they continue to celebrate their on-going agenda such as building the unwanted, unneeded downtown 1/2 billion dollar downtown ice hockey arena.
So tonight while the full-moon is high overhead, listen for sounds of raucous laughter, strange flickering lights, smells of cheap cigar smoke, floating down from the top floor of a vacant downtown office building.
Relax, it might only be the monthly meeting under the full moon of the Wichita Browderite political club members celebrating their past economic disasters.
Also, one great scene has the distinguished Darwinist (and atheist)Richard Dawkins admitting that because of the complexity of life, there could be an intelligent designer involved in our development, but it would have to be an alien race capable of space travel. He couldn’t explain how that alien race would have developed but he was very sure it was not by action of God. Space aliens could have done it, But not God!!!!!!!!!!
In fact, the scientists interviewed in this movie were not told it was anti-evolution propaganda (as it plainly is), but a more philosophical, balanced treatment of the debate called “Crossroads” (proving, once again, that creationist propagandists have no scruples). So this response wasn’t that hard to understand:
Toward the end of his interview with me, Stein asked whether I could think of any circumstances whatsoever under which intelligent design might have occurred. It’s the kind of challenge I relish, and I set myself the task of imagining the most plausible scenario I could. I wanted to give ID its best shot, however poor that best shot might be. I must have been feeling magnanimous that day, because I was aware that the leading advocates of Intelligent Design are very fond of protesting that they are not talking about God as the designer, but about some unnamed and unspecified intelligence, which might even be an alien from another planet. Indeed, this is the only way they differentiate themselves from fundamentalist creationists, and they do it only when they need to, in order to weasel their way around church/state separation laws. So, bending over backwards to accommodate the IDiots (”oh NOOOOO, of course we aren’t talking about God, this is SCIENCE”) and bending over backwards to make the best case I could for intelligent design, I constructed a science fiction scenario.
Well, you will have guessed how Mathis/Stein handled this. I won’t get the exact words right (we were forbidden to bring in recording devices on pain of a $250,000 fine, chillingly announced by some unnamed Gauleiter before the film began), but Stein said something like this. “What? Richard Dawkins BELIEVES IN INTELLIGENT DESIGN.” “Richard Dawkins BELIEVES IN ALIENS FROM OUTER SPACE.”
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins
One need not believe what Dawkins says now . He has never been an advocate of the “intelligent aliens” scenario, finding it as silly and lacking in evidence as any intelligent design hypothesis.
Charles: Now come on … are you saying 3,000,000 Kansans must change about 20 clocks each, TWICE A YEAR, so you and your golfing buddies can get in 18 holes between 5 PM and sun down, presumably with time out for a smoke break and a beer?
Why not begin at 4 PM if necessary?
So, Rage, give them Intelligent Design. They CLAIM it isnt religious. That means it can be anything BUT religion. And THAT would include Evolution! LOL See how fast they balk at that one!!
“my favorite President of all time, Franklin Delano Roosevelt.”
Mine too.
But? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The rest of Jwinks post borders on the absurd. Out of kindness, I’ll not mine it. As I understand it, the man is a salesman. And so knows little about toil and sweat.
And outlander’s flick?
Not interested. Ben Stein is the voice of cartoon characters on shows my kid watches. The poor persecuted Christian majority will earn my concern when they stop THEIR persecutions.
Hey, the smoke break and beer is sort of like the 7th inning stretch… wouldnt be right without it!! ALSO, think of all the little league games that would have to go “under the lights” and tennis courts, and kids soccer games and all kinds of things!! Its not JUST golf… But I am too damned old for the other stuff!!
“are you saying 3,000,000 Kansans must change about 20 clocks each, TWICE A YEAR,”
Who has 20 clocks? And just when did changing a clock become toil?
JWink, as for the clocks, all of mine are already pre-set for Daylight/Standard time settings, as is my computer. I only have three clocks…
Well, 3 clocks plus computer, and cable TV Box…
So Charles, Kansans do 60,000,000, yes that’s 60 million clock changes per year, to and from daylight savings time … for the kids! Wow.
Yeah changing a clock is real hard work.
Anybody that has 20 clocks is in serious need of a life.
So, Rage, give them Intelligent Design. They CLAIM it isnt religious. That means it can be anything BUT religion. And THAT would include Evolution! LOL See how fast they balk at that one!!
Were that so, Chas. The only purpose of “intelligent design” is to denigrate and discredit evolutionary theory, the idea being, that this feature and that one and that one couldn’t have evolved–ergo, an intelligent designer (and, of couse, they know who that is–they’re just not saying, believing, stupidly, that faith in a unspecified supernatural intelligence is somehow less of a church/state violation that using the “G” word.
Unfortunately, that pretty much lays bare their mentality. They must honestly believe–contrary to the facts and common sense–that this is all about enforcing some anti-Christian agenda in the schools.
Of course, from their perspective, I suppose that could be considered
correct: mandating anything resembling religious neutrality in the schools is considerd persecution!
When people have power, it’s only natural that they want to keep it!
JWink — WTF it only takes a couple minutes… it really isnt a big deal… And it definitely isnt a liberal CON issue, or a repub. dem. issue… it’s just a CLOCK!!
P.S. Hey, Jay, I see that after months of the right-wingers spouting off the same lie about your personal life, someone finally fell for it.
I still thinking ignoring them is usually the best policy, but I suppose that over enough time the “Big Lie” technique eventually bears fruit. Sigh. . .
Number of clocks: in the car, on the stove, a couple of watches, several wall clocks, and so forth, they add up. Probably should replace with those new “atomic” clocks so they set themselves. I wonder if they correct for daylight savings time?
“are you saying 3,000,000 Kansans must change about 20 clocks each, TWICE A YEAR”
For some Kansans, changing the time on their clocks twice a year is all the exercise they get.
ROFL Clark!!
JWink — it just isnt that big of a thing!!
It does save some daylight for many who can use it… talk to the farmers!!
BTW i have one alarm clock that automatically sets itself no matter where i take it… just plug it in, and Oila!! It displays the right date and time… I think it cost me at most $12
Outlander says,
The evidence is very provocative as to the connection between Darwinism and atheism.
So what? Who cares? Don’t like Darwin’s theory your choice.Don’t believe in God big deal.Why do you guys get so wound up about this stuff.Don’t like public education home school see how easy it is.Want to raise a creepy fundy kid send them to jesus camp I’m sure he will be happy.Just exactly what is it that you want from the liberal side.
Annie — it’s obvious — they want us GONE!!
it’s obvious — they want us GONE!
Then they need to put us in a camp.I guess that free will stuff doesn’t work very well.
I h ave encountered some of them who would gladly lock us up in camps… since we are so dangerous to the entire Bible Colony!!
Augh I’ve had to sign in repeatedly today. You’d think they’d put the signin right so that it links back here.
Under Intelligent design, just think. We could teach Scientology to the students….afterall it doesn’t say what ‘intelligent designer’ we can use- nobody says an Alien can’t be one!
Well, tomorrow is a busy day…
Good night; Good luck;
God Bless! Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
(pulls bolt back on machine gun)
Märzschweinhunde!!!
FSM might be more fun, PMama!! LOL nite nite!!
Ummm Marz is for the 3rd Month… NOT a command to MOVE… normally they commanded them to Mach Schnell!!
oops
should be
Marsch schweinhunde!!!
Obama gives Hillary the “finger.”
video
http://video.google.com/?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wv
oops wrong video, but that one is funny…
it’s about 1/3 of the way into the video…
here it is
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1609048460993632318&hl=en
She wasnt even there, James!!
Recommended reading:
http://www.incoldblogger.blogspot.com/
“For the fishermen out there, I seem to recall fish bite better during dusk and after dark than before. So don’t give me that excuse.”
You miss my point and probably do not fish from a boat.
After working a regular day, I only get so much time to get home, get my boat, travel to the lake, launch, and fish. Then, I have to get up the next day to work, so I don’t stay out beyond dark.
Most boat fishing people I know get OFF the lake before dark. So the more hours of DAYLIGHT we have ON the lake is important fishing time.
Certain species do bite better at dark. Catfish (shore fishing) or Walleye. But if you are casting for bass or crappie/bluegill fishing - that’s a day job.
So it IS my excuse, and millions of other working stiffs and real fishermen.
You didn’t negate it with your comment on “night” fishing.
Why do I bother? Your suggestion is not going anywhere anyway.
Good link MonkeyHawk. Sadly, our government is going after another religious sect on this sad anniversary.
No evidence of wrongdoing, yet they are taking hundreds of children this time away from their parents.
Government knows best.
Brings back memories MH.
I was living in Midwest City at the time of the OKC bombing. I had just taken a shower and was on my way to pay my car insurance. When I got there (in Midwest City) he asked if I had heard the explosion and I replied “no.”
Didn’t think too much of it and had an appointment at the VA hospital in OKC. Well, as you can guess traffic was jammed and there were emergency vehicles everywhere. I ended up pulling over to a friends house to figure out what happened. Everyone was just stunned and speechless.
The only personal connection I had was that I had visited a VA counselor there just two weeks before about my Master’s degree program. He was on the second or third floor I think, don’t remember.
I remember the massive pillars in the lobby and it was hard to believe the bomb took everything out of the front of the building.
Then the TV reminded me of the daycare center in the building. I became ill the rest of the day and quite shaken. No thoughts of revenge, just why. It was quite humbling and drained my emotions.
There IS PLENTY of evidence of wrongdoing AmWay. Just because you ignore it doesn’t make it so.
I love that you posted the wrong video Regular. Good job….it was excellent.
“You have also made the comment about letting the government take care of you as a way to get back at them.
Can you cite that writerdog?
I have never said anything even close to that.
All due but failing respect, I think you are confused. And I am being kind in the allowance.
My failing here is assuming any good among those on the right.
My assesment of you writerdog is you were a fighter.
Who quit.
I think some time ago you were me. Or a lot like me.
I think I’ll leave it there.
Oh yea, there is wrong doing….
Political_mama
Posted April 20, 2008 at 12:30 am | Permalink
There IS PLENTY of evidence of wrongdoing AmWay. Just because you ignore it doesn’t make it so.
You watch those “wives” on Larry King?? Such a brainwashed bunch!! WOW!!
How could ANYbody make any sort of comparison, in their right mind, between what is happening with those Mormon perverts in TX, and the OKC bombing?? That is just REAL damn stupid!! Honest to God, AmWay!! Pull your head out, PLEASE!!
“No evidence of wrongdoing, yet they are taking hundreds of children this time away from their parents.”
Sub-sixteen year old girls with children or pregnant is NOT evidence of wrongdoing?
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