Open thread 4/15

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375 Comments

  1. Political_mama
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    I have a suggestion. The first person who casts a stone towards another should be put in bloggie time out for the day.

    Lets get a handle on all the ‘no I’m not but you are” posts.

  2. HLP
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:13 am | Permalink

    Good Morning children!

    Today in the paper, maybe, there is an article on breeder license registration. On December 21st last year the city council without debate or public input caved to Environmental services and amended the requirements for dog breeder licenses in Wichita.

    They attached the amendment to a housing bill. When I contacted the city council members via email most did not bother to reply and the ones that did couldn’t answer basic questions about the new requirements for breeder licenses.

    The new requirements are vague and oppressive. They basically allow interpretation and enforcement by an Environmental Services department that is out of control.

  3. HLP
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    For the purposes of full disclosure, HLP=Hank. It seems I registered a long time ago as Hank. I forgot my password/email and couldn’t get logged in as Hank anymore.

    I have about a half dozen favorite passwords and four different emails that I could have used. Oh well, I’m now HLP.

  4. JMWalker
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Are ethics making a comeback? It would be nice:

    With little fanfare, a small number of prominent academic scientists have made a decision that was until recently all but unheard of. They decided to stop accepting payments from food, drug and medical device companies.

    No longer will they be paid for speaking at meetings or for sitting on advisory boards. They may still work with companies. It is important, they say, for knowledgeable scientists to help companies draw up and interpret studies. But the work will be pro bono.

    The scientists say their decisions were private and made with mixed emotions. In at least one case, the choice resulted in significant financial sacrifice. While the investigators say they do not want to appear superior to their colleagues, they also express relief. At last, they say, when they offer a heartfelt and scientifically reasoned opinion, no one will silently put an asterisk next to their name.

    They are part of a group responding to accusations of ethical conflicts inherent in these arrangements, and their decisions repudiate decades of industry influence, says Dr. Jerome P. Kassirer, a professor at the Tufts School of Medicine, who has written a book on conflicts of interest.

    Five years ago, “nobody paid any attention to taking money from industry,” he said, adding: “They just took it. In some instances, I think people thought they were suckers if they didn’t.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/health/15conf.html?partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

  5. bth
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    HANK! Saw your picture in today’s paper – why do you look a bit greyer than I remember? :)

    I agree with you on the puppy issue – perhaps people like you can get with the city to develop an ordinance that works.

  6. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    The first person who casts a stone towards another should be put in bloggie time out for the day.

    We can try.

  7. JMWalker
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    No . . . trying to stir something up? No . . . couldn’t be. Why, the republicans would never do that . . . (sarcasm off)

    Associated Press director William Dean Singleton, who serves as the publisher of Denver Post, the Salt Lake Tribune and the Detroit News and is one of about twenty newspaper owners that run the wire service, asked Sen. Barack Obama about shifting troops into Afghanistan to fight al Qaeda leader “Obama bin Laden.”

    “Can you imagine shifting a substantial number of Afghanistan — a substantial number to Afghanistan where the Taliban has been gaining strength and Obama Bin Laden is still at large?” Singleton queried.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/obama-corrects.html

  8. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    HANK! Saw your picture in today’s paper – why do you look a bit greyer than I remember?

    Now, Ben, that’s not nice! :)

  9. JMWalker
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    Dang, Hank, I always knew you were a lawbreaker. Why, it’s people like you who support dog babies that are just ruining this world! Why that schnauzer is obviously a foreign dog. Do you have immigration papers on her? You paying her for her motherhood? I’ll bet your skipping the ss tax as well on her:-)

  10. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Iraq Fighting Worsens with Killing of Top Sadr Aide

    Iraq’s sectarian conflict has escalated with the killing of a top aide to Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The aide, Riyadh al-Nouri, was killed Friday in Najaf. No group has claimed responsibility. Al-Nouri was Sadr’s top negotiator with the Iraqi government and also his brother-in-law. Hundreds of Sadr followers crowded Najaf’s cemetery on Saturday, blaming the US for al-Nouri’s death.

    Meanwhile, US and Iraqi forces continue their attacks on Shiite fighters in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City. Witnesses say a series of clashes this weekend marked the heaviest fighting since the crackdown began late last month. In Baghdad Saturday, hundreds of demonstrators turned out in Baghdad to protest the US occupation. Sheikh Abu Talib al-Amin of the Iraqi Farmers Organization condemned ongoing attacks on Iraqi civilians.

    Sheikh Abu Talib al-Amin: “The Iraqi people were expecting good things and reformation when the US forces invaded Iraq. We thought that they would solve all the troubles that we suffered from. Now, we can see different things. When they impose a blockade on an area, killing its people, that means that they are not going to give a chance to oppressed people to express their opinions.”

    Linkiepoo

    Now we’ll see how things heat up. IMHO Sadr is more in controll of Iraq than the sham government or the US military. Time will tell.

  11. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    Bush Admin: Iran Poses “Primary Threat” to Iraq

    The Bush administration has escalated its rhetoric against Iran. This weekend senior US officials told the Washington Post that Iran now poses the primary threat to Iraq. The officials said Iran has increased its support for Shia militias battling US and Iraqi troops. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has previously ridiculed US allegations of Iranian interference in Iraq, saying it’s the US that invaded and continues to occupy the country.

    Linkiepoo

    Bomb bomb bomb…

  12. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Bush Admits Knowledge of White House Meetings on Interrogation Techniques

    President Bush has confirmed he was aware top administration officials personally discussed and approved how top suspects in the so-called war on terror would be interrogated by the CIA. Last week, ABC News revealed a Principals Committee on the National Security Council agreed on controversial interrogation techniques, including physical assault, sleep deprivation and waterboarding. The officials involved included Vice President Cheney, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell. In an interview with ABC News Friday, Bush said he had approved the meetings but did not take part. He said, “We started to connect the dots, in order to protect the American people. And yes, I’m aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved.” In a separate interview, Powell said he could not remember the details of the meetings. The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to appoint an independent prosecutor. ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said, “It is a very sad day when the President of the United States subverts the Constitution, the rule of law and American values of justice.”

    Linkiepoo

    When one sacrifices liberty for saftey, one deserves neither.

  13. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Group: US Military Prisoners Sent to Unfair Trials in Afghanistan

    A leading human rights group has issued new allegations over the plight of US military prisoners in Afghanistan. Human Rights First says dozens of prisoners transferred from US military to the Afghan government have been subjected to unfair trials based almost entirely on allegations from US officials. The prisoners’ attorneys have been unable to call witnesses or conduct cross-examinations. The trials have lasted between thirty minutes to one hour, resulting in sentences ranging from three to twenty years.

    Linkiepoo

    ahhh our wonderful legal system at work…

  14. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    2007 Record Year for Lobbying in US

    New figures show congressional lobbying reached a new high last year. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, corporations, industries and other interests spent a record $2.79 billion last year. It was an eight percent rise over 2006, amounting to an average of $17 million for every day of Congress. The drug industry saw the highest rise, increasing its lobbying spending by 25 percent. Center for Responsive Politics executive director Sheila Krumholz said, “At a time when our economy is contracting, Washington’s lobbying industry has been expanding. Lobbying seems to be a recession-proof industry.”

    linkiepoo

    Why don’t the congressmen just put themselves on e-bay?

    Our government, for sale

  15. Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Admin Rejects Congressional Challenge to Satellite Surveillance

    The Bush administration is rebuffing a congressional challenge to the Department of Homeland Security’s new satellite surveillance system. Last week, Democrats threatened to shut down the program unless privacy concerns could be addressed. The satellite program is designed to provide federal, state and local officials with extensive access to spy satellite imagery to assist with emergency response and other domestic security needs. But critics say the Bush administration hasn’t created legal safeguards to ensure that the program won’t be used for domestic spying. In a letter to lawmakers, Chertoff said the system poses no civil liberties concerns and will be slowly activated in the coming weeks.

    Linkiepoo

    Big brother 10?

    Eye in the sky?

  16. bth
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:14 am | Permalink

    Meanwhile – of interest to Wichita:

    Gander Mountain 4Q Profit Tumbles
    Gander Mountain’s 4Q Profit Drops 62 Percent As Earnings and Sales Miss Wall Street Estimates

    http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/apwire/248630fc4060a6d08ea9029174af7af1.htm

    Charges were incurred from closing two unprofitable stores.

    I wonder how the Wichita store is doing …

  17. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    “I have a suggestion. The first person who casts a stone towards another should be put in bloggie time out for the day.” — p.m.

    pot kettle black bitch

  18. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    How’s about you tell us who we better know you as “beber”?

    And let’s take it easy on the language with the ladies.

  19. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Jay, beber is Door King. He posted it earlier.

  20. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    P.S. I don’t mind the language, Dork, but what an appalling lack of class.

  21. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    *picks up big rock, aims at dk*

    Ok, since beber threw the first rock, I guess I’m out of danger for a time out?

    hehehehehehheheehehehhehehehehehehehe……

  22. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    So…. let’s talk about lobbying, shall we?

    “Kansans for Affordable Energy, which has received funding from Sunflower and the world’s largest private coal company, Peabody Energy, spent $11,000 last month on “communications,” including letters and media spots.”

    “http://www.saljournal.com/rdnews/story/HNS-coal-lobby-spending-4-14-08

    Ya know Peabody Energy, right? The company formerly known as Peabody Coal? As in John Prine’s song “Mr. Peabody’s Coal train has hauled it away”.

    Maybe we all need a refresher on “Paradise”?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6svtzfZhlI&feature=related

  23. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    John Prine – Paradise lyrics

    When I was a child my family would travel
    Down to western kentucky where my parents were born
    And there’s a backwards old town that’s often remembered
    So many times that my memories are worn.

    Chorus:
    And daddy won’t you take me back to muhlenberg county
    Down by the green river where paradise lay
    Well, I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking
    Mister peabody’s coal train has hauled it away

    Well, sometimes we’d travel right down the green river
    To the abandoned old prison down by adrie hill
    Where the air smelled like snakes and we’d shoot with our pistols
    But empty pop bottles was all we would kill.

    Repeat chorus:

    Then the coal company came with the world’s largest shovel
    And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
    Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
    Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.

    Repeat chorus:

    When I die let my ashes float down the green river
    Let my soul roll on up to the rochester dam
    I’ll be halfway to heaven with paradise waitin’
    Just five miles away from wherever I am.

  24. Phantom
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    So, bush was telling a bald face lie, when he told the country “The U.S. doesn’t torture.”

    Elsewhere: 5o dead in car bomb attacks in Iraq. Iran isn’t the biggest threat to Iraq, Iraq is the biggest threat to Iraq!

  25. writerdog
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    HLP, did you happen to notice that pretty devil in the picture? And the human being was statesmen looking too.

  26. HLP
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Hey Ben,

    Hell, I’m even greyer than I remember!

    I had to go out and buy a paper this morning. I expected that the story would be page 5, section B.

    Must be a slow news day!

  27. Phantom
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Saw a OL comment from someone from Kentucky who stated he moved to Ks. to get away from the coal plants.

  28. writerdog
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Sol you left a lot of meat to chew on, but as to the spy satellite, in public you have no inherent right to privacy. On the street or in a structure that is public access, it maybe aggravating but not illegal.

  29. HLP
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Hey writerdog!

    Lily Beth is the boss of the house hold. Her nickname is ‘chainsaw’. She can strike fear in in the hearts of all the Beardies!

  30. Hud
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Fuel Choices, Food Crises and Finger-Pointing

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/business/worldbusiness/15food.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

  31. HLP
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Hey Farmgirl!

    Watched John Prine on Austin City Limits Saturday. “Paradise” is one of my favorite songs of his. He didn’t sing it.

    Since his cancer, he might nt be able to sing it like he use to.

  32. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    And let’s take it easy on the language with the ladies — bluejay

    P.M. is no lady. She’s a libber activist.

  33. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Even if you arent a Billy Joel fan, this is good:

    http://yeli.us/Flash/Fire.html

  34. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    I think “Paradise” was recorded big time by the late Johnny Cash… Peabody Coal Co. is still in existence… They float many barges up and down the Mississippi River…

  35. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Just a quick word about John Prine: His work is tremendous — as extensive as Dylan’s and maybe more extensive, as Dylan, as great as he is, wrote so many dogs.

  36. Political_mama
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Yeah and you DoorKing(beber) are a really old creepy freaky hippy who looks like a complete loser and likes to leer at preteen girls.

  37. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Israel Blocks Jimmy Carter from Entering Gaza

    Former President Jimmy Carter has announced plans to go ahead with his plans to meet with the top leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, in Damascus despite protests from the Israeli government. Carter says he wants to get Hamas to agree to a peaceful resolution of differences, both with the Israelis and the rival Palestinian faction Fatah. Carter is meeting with Palestinian officials today in the West Bank, but Israel has refused to allow him to enter Gaza.

    Jimmy Carter: “Well, I haven’t been able to get permission to go into Gaza. I would like to. I asked for permission, but I was turned down. But maybe we can find a way to circumvent that. I was in Sderot yesterday, and I don’t approve of rockets being fired, you know, that might very well hit civilians, and I don’t approve of the killing of innocent people in Gaza either by Israeli bombs and missiles. So that’s what, you know, the Carter Center is—our major purpose is to bring peace to people who are in conflict.”

    Israel’s Shin Bet security service has also refused to offer security for Carter’s visit to the occupied West Bank, as is customary during such visits by former US presidents.

    Linkiepoo

  38. Phantom
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Israel may take Carter out and make it look like the Pals. did it.

  39. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Oy vey, looks like a long day on the Blog…

    Later all… got appointments….

  40. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Four US Journalists Arrested in Niger Delta

    And Four American documentary filmmakers and a Nigerian citizen have been arrested by the Nigerian military in the Niger Delta. The Seattle-based crew has been detained since Saturday. The film crew was finishing work on the documentary Sweet Crude. Arrested were director Sandy Cioffi and crew members Tammi Sims, Cliff Worsham and Sean Porter, as well as Joel Bisina, founder of the Niger Delta Professionals for Development. Sandy Cioffi appeared on Democracy Now! in 2006 to discuss the situation in the Niger Delta and the role women played in protesting multinational oil corporations.

    Sandy Cioffi: “And those women were demanding fairly basic things, like jobs, some remediation of the environment, water, electricity, healthcare, basic infrastructure that you would expect, that if you have $38 billion annually of revenue going to your government, that you would have, and they have none of those things. In fact, they have quite the opposite. They have their livelihood taken away from them.”

    The Committee to Protect Journalists has called on Nigeria to immediately release Sandy Cioffi and the four other members of her crew and to end what it described as a pattern of censorship of the conflict over oil in the region.

    Linkeepoo

  41. bth
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    ” but Israel has refused to allow him to enter Gaza.”

    So much for US and Israeli claims that the Palestiians are allowed to rule Gaza. If there were the case it would be up to the Palestinians who they allow to visit there.

  42. Grateful_Dave
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    test

  43. writerdog
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    In a true Bi-partisan effort, “The only real thing that can be pointed to as the main difference between Hillary Clinton and John Mc Cain being President. Would be whether the toilet seat is up or down in the restroom!”.

  44. Grateful_Dave
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Obama says:

    Attempting to explain the electoral psychology of blue-collar Pennsylvanians to the limousine liberals in attendance, Obama noted that in “these small towns… the jobs have been gone for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them”–even though “the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate.” So far, so good–that’s an accurate enough analysis of broken political promises and working-class decline. But then Obama went a step further. “It’s not surprising then they get bitter,” he said. “They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Is he right or wrong?

  45. CF2K
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Well, in commemoration of my 40th birthday, which is TODAY, thank you all very much, I declare a unilateral moratorium (only applying to me) on acrimonious posts. Call it Blog Aggressor Amnesty Day, if you need to call it something. The pressing needs of debate and argument can wait until tomorrow.

    My cup of happiness runneth over. The wind is blowing (hard, actually), the sun is shining, and I have a relatively light workload. Hell, for the next twelve hours, I may even forgo sarcasm.

  46. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    “CF2K” proclaims –

    “…for the next twelve hours, I may even forgo sarcasm.”

    Stop! Stop!! STOP!!!

    Eight hours of no sarcasm wll likely give you bends.

  47. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Is he right or wrong?

    I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.

    I personally took no offense to what the man said.

    I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear. Not unheard of in politics. The problem is those who blindly believe what she says.

    Hillary, fit for presidency?

  48. outlander
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    You share a birthday with one of my good liberal friends, CF. I wonder, is there is something idealogical about being born on tax day?

    Ah well; happy birthday CF.

  49. Grateful_Dave
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Bob Dylan wins Pulitzer award…

    Come gather ’round people
    Wherever you roam
    And admit that the waters
    Around you have grown
    And accept it that soon
    You’ll be drenched to the bone.
    If your time to you
    Is worth savin’
    Then you better start swimmin’
    Or you’ll sink like a stone
    For the times they are a-changin’.

  50. Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Happy birthday, CF2K! Here’s an entertaining memory from 2 days ago today!

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/04/_open_thread_/#comment-39066

  51. Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    So which is it, Regular?

    * Were you lying when you said you served in the Vietnam War (actually Thailand) or were you lying when you said you were too young to serve in the Vietnam War?

    * Were you lying when you said you were married or were you lying when you said you had never been married?

    Now that you claim that you have stopped lying, it would be good to confess your past lying.

    That might begin to convince the readers that you’ve really changed. Admitting wrong-doing in the past is the only way to start to believably atone for it.

    Instead, however, you just name-call and lash out at others for pointing out the obvious: you lie.

  52. Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Er, two years ago. . .

  53. Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    To those that think Obama will sell out to RepubliCONs, consider this:

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html

    Monday, April 14, 2008
    Obama would ask his AG to “immediately review” potential of crimes in Bush White House

    Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to “immediately review the information that’s already there” and determine if an inquiry is warranted — but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as “a partisan witch hunt.” However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because “nobody is above the law.”

    The question was inspired by a recent report by ABC News, confirmed by the Associated Press, that high-level officials including Vice President Dick Cheney and former Cabinet secretaries Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld, among others, met in the White House and discussed the use of waterboarding and other torture techniques on terrorism suspects.

  54. CF2K
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Rage,

    Too funny! The CF/CF2K self-posted birthday notice seems to be morphing from a simple tic into a habit.

    I sure seem to like talking about myself, don’t I? Must be that whole narcissistic Aries thing.

  55. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    “SolDevVB” –

    “I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.”

    And the only so-called gaffe was the word “cling.” Had he said “they embrace relgion or guns or fear or hate for strangers…” there’d've been no problem. “Cling” conjures up images of fear.

    “I personally took no offense to what the man said.

    “I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear. Not unheard of in politics. The problem is those who blindly believe what she says.”

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hillary Clinton has all the qualities for remaining a superb United States Senator. We’ve seen her like before. Lyndon Johnson was a helluva Senator, but what works in the cloakrooms and committee hearings in Congress requires an altogether different skill set that what works in the Oval Office.

    Is she capable of being a good POTUS? Yeah, probably. But she falls far short of the mark, in my opinion, with the requirements of a presidential candidate.

    She has a tin ear for politics. She’s out there shootin’ ducks and doin’ shots at a redneck bar… but insists on Crown Royal?! You don’t drink Crown Royal boilermakers, Hil. Sheesh.

    The poster previously known as “J R” (sorry, guy, I haven’t figured out all the new nics yet) approves of the Clintons’ gutter-fighting style, believing the Democratic Party’s candidate will have to be willing to throw an elbow and pull a knife against the Republic Party. He has an argument.

    But Obama is handling the Hillary onslaught with strength and grace… and she’s not gonna win enough delegates to change his inevitable nomination and victory. He is, quite simply, the better candidate against Clinton or McSame.

  56. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Nice try monkey, but I actually watched the video of that “beer and shot” moment.

    She didnt suggest the shot. She didnt suggest what KIND of shot. The BARTENDER said “how about Crown Royal” and she said “good idea”.

    The town name included “crown” something, and that is why the tradition in that bar was Crown Royal.

    I guess if you cant whip somebody on substance, you can always play loose with the facts.

    Just like you say about her.

  57. Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Another IRS deadline date is upon us! The final day to rob from the rich to give to the poor! The final day to rob from us all to give to the war! The final day to rob from us all to give to corporate welfare, farmer welfare, foreign aid, Unearned Income Credits, and greedy pork barrel earmarks for all!! (Did I make this generic enough to please libs and cons alike?)

    Tax Freedom Day will be April 23rd, 2008. America will work three days less to pay taxes in 2008 than in 2007; Stimulus Rebates push day of celebration up. For Kansans, our state Tax Freedom Day is April 18th, making us 26th in the nation.

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
    But bring lot’s of tax money!!!!!!!!

    Kansans Tax Burden:

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/455.html

    Bring on the National Sales Tax (Consumption Tax), and disband the IRS forever!!!!!!!!!

    Least we forget our anger at the complicated forms and paperwork should not be directed at the IRS but at the United States Congress instead. They make the fiscal policy. The IRS is just the instrument which carries it out. God bless em one and all.

  58. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    I still have trouble playing video right now, but I think this is the link. I dont know if it is the WHOLE link to the “shot and beer” thing.

    The truth is out there….

    And I also resent obama making fun of her as “annie oakley”. It’s an insult to all the women who really do shoot and/or hunt. I’m sure she doesnt spend every weekend at the trap range or duck blind, but then… She didnt say she did, now did she?

    Nope. That’s spin. The obama supporters now adopt the rhetoric of the wingnuts who smeared Kerry when he went duck hunting. They HOWLED back then, and now? They do the same to Hillary. I dont think she claimed to be Harold Ensley.

    But keep believing these comments by obama are no big deal. Keep thinking the country is as in love with obama as you are.

    You can get him nominated. Let’s see ya get him elected.

  59. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    oops. here’s the crown royal link. And the name of the town was Crown Point, Indiana.

  60. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Dammit!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V4fffzU1wA

  61. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and a happy birthday to you, CF. It sure would be nice to hear the WEblog Trio again.

  62. Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    KSFrmGrrl–

    Would you clear something up:

    I thought it was JM-Regular who posted a link to a web photo of you. He claims he didn’t.

    Who’s right?

  63. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    old creepy freaky hippy — p.m.

    So p.m., you were the one from Salina who hit the old Hazink site 10 times a day for months and went through every old photo? What were you looking for bitch? Like I said before, there are people on these blogs who seriously mean to harm others, and you are probably one of them. However, I’ll give you the benny of a doubt, and just assume were obsessed with me chops.

    I am an old hippy, except hippies never get old; we just age. We were right, and still are; we’ll be playing music for three weeks beginning this May 22 at the Kerrville Music Festival. Anyone want a ride?

  64. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    I really dont remember Captain, but I think it was the poster formerly known as SOB, or golfnutz or tippy. I dont think it was JM, but I think he was posting as Khan at that time, and it could have been Khan.

    I dont really care. Tippy was threatening to out me, posted my initials, claimed to know things that were NOT true, made vague threats, so I outed myself by name to take that nonsense away. Like I was afraid of it. That’s when the whole hee haw gang googled me and posted links.

    I dont have anything to hide, but I agree that the blog has gotten nasty and dangerous ever since tippy, golfnutz, and JM arrived. And I think they all arrived at the same time.

    If I had to do it all over again, I wouldnt have posted so much, but… whatever.

    It’s a damn blog, and not even a good one at that! I know a lot of folks in Topeka used to read here. And they dont anymore. Boring and childish for the most part.

  65. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    beber = scroll over territory

  66. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Political Mama,

    Your offer at the start of this thread ended up being about as hollow as it sounded when you made it.

    If you want to inspire change on this blog you don’t do it by jumping into the mud with the very poster who ended up throwing a stone at you.

  67. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Hey Dad,

    Congratulations on getting Lillybeth in the paper.

    I bet Mom is just thrilled that her little girl is on the front page!

    Oh yeah, and you too, lol.

  68. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    “I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear.”

    Bill Clinton=Hillary Clinton=Liars

    “And I also resent obama making fun of her as “annie oakley”. It’s an insult to all the women who really do”

    Obama’s comments were not directed at any other females use of firearms. Obama was simply reminding voters of Hillary’s true nature concerning gun control and her previous position on the same. Obama wasn’t trying to offend women shooters – he was reminding ALL gun owners that Hillary again is wishy-washy on her convictions.

  69. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    “that Hillary again is wishy-washy on her convictions”

    Only on the campaign trail. Once elected, all bets are off. Her string of lies should outline that.

    I’m no supporter of Obama. Hell I don’t support any of the top three of the four remaining candidates. Hillary lies. McCain wants to nuke Iran. Obama is an unknown and scares the hell out of me. He does handle himself politically better than Hillary or McCain, but that alone doesn’t win my vote.

  70. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Hmmmm…..

    Well, as an actual woman who actually hunts, thanks for telling me how I should feel, and how I should interpret obama’s comments.

    typical male. Thinks I couldnt POSSIBLY know what to think or feel on my own without correction or input.

    Unless YOU are a woman who hunts? You have no right to tell me how to interpret those remarks.

    I hate being patronized, and I also hate it when folks talk down to me about my support for Hillary being just “sista hood” or having my gay dander up about obigot.

    Patronizing is as patronizing does.

    Oh, and btw? As a woman who hunts, I’m not afraid of any boogy man taking away my guns. And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.

  71. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    RAMALLAH, West Bank — Jimmy Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank on a Mideast visit that will culminate in a meeting with the terror group’s exiled leader in Syria later this week.

    Linkiepoo

  72. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Interesting editorial on NAFTA and how democrats are “users” when it comes to bashing a program which has had mixed results – many positive:

    “Many Americans — those in the middle and on the lower end of the economic spectrum — are feeling vulnerable right now. And so candidates — at least, Democratic ones — seem to be banking on denunciations of NAFTA as a way to win voters, especially in the Rust Belt.”

    “Remember the “giant sucking sound” presidential candidate Ross Perot prophesied about in 1992? Well, the suction turned out to have come from China and India, not from Mexico, as he warned. In fact, Mexico has lost manufacturing jobs to foreign competition since NAFTA was passed in 1994. Meanwhile, the United States has added 26 million new jobs.

    Agriculture offers a largely positive picture of free trade. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, from 1992 to 2007 the value of U.S. agriculture exports in the world rose by 65 percent. During the same time period, farm and food exports to Canada and Mexico grew by 156 percent. It’s not so great if you get affected by the out-of-work Mexican farmer who comes to the United States searching for work after being displaced by all the corn the United States now sends south of the border.”

    Democrats, intent on gathering voters to their side, are crying wolf on free trade. There is no doubt that many Americans are dealing with very real economic insecurity. The world is changing, and the United States needs to take steps to keep up. That includes reforming health care, education and a host of other policy areas.

    Bashing free trade, as easy as it is to do on the campaign stump, won’t solve anything.”

    http://www.kansascity.com/276/story/575637.html

  73. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    KFG says >>>

    “And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.”

    AMEEN!!! I second that!!

  74. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    “Unless YOU are a woman who hunts? You have no right to tell me how to interpret those remarks.”

    God forbid anyone telling YOU anything farm girl.

    But I resent the fact that you feel because of your sex – no one else can have an opinion on a candidates comments.

    That you took his comments as directed at females, and I took it that his comments were directed at Hillary’s track record on gun control, reflects a difference of opinions.

    Nothing more, nothing less.

    I guess I and anyone else here who is not gay, should have no right to comment on gays?

    BS

  75. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Democrats, Republicans Coming to Agreement: Iraq Must Start Paying the Bill

    After five years, Republicans and Democrats seem to have found common ground on at least one aspect of the war. From the fiercest war foes to the most steadfast Bush supporters, they are looking at Iraq’s surging oil income and saying Baghdad should start picking up the tab, particularly for rebuilding hospitals, roads, power lines and the rest of the shattered country.

    Linkiepoo

    A-FREAKIN-MEN !!! Bout damn time too. Bout time for them to police their own damn streets too

  76. bth
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Sol – I’ll believe it when I see it. Bush will veto anything that mandates it.

  77. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink
    RAMALLAH, West Bank — Jimmy Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank on a Mideast visit that will culminate in a meeting with the terror group’s exiled leader in Syria later this week.
    ===============================

    You got a problem with hugged and kissed part?? Same thing there as shaking hands here…

    And that Hamas leader was elected by his PEOPLE, in an open, free, and democratic election!! I remember how shocked, I say shocked, Bush was when the Palestinian people elected Hamas members to their government high positions…

    We must not forget that there are TWO Hamas groups… One that is governmental, and one that is military… Once again, we show a failure to understand how folks in the Middle East live, and conduct their governmental business…

  78. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Amway, real slow for ya now…

    You can interpret obama’s comments any way you like. Just dont tell me how I have to interpret them.

    I know bigotry and sexism when I see it. The fact that you dont? That’s your problem.

  79. bth
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Chas – sort of like the Irish – and bringing those groups together finally worked.

  80. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Chas and KFG,

    You might not have a problem with the “Well Regulated” part of the 2nd Amendment.

    You do have a problem with any type of comprehension of the 2nd Amendment and completely ignore the context of it, what the founding fathers meant when they wrote it, and what is actually said in it, when you highlight the “well regulated” part like you do.

  81. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    bth (Ben?)

    From the link:

    Bush has suggested that Congress is preaching to the choir. Last week, he noted that Baghdad’s latest budget would outspend the U.S. by more than 10 to one on Iraq reconstruction, with American funding for large-scale projects “approaching zero.”

    “Ultimately, we expect Iraq to shoulder the full burden of these costs,” he said.

    The article explains it.

  82. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    “You can interpret obama’s comments any way you like. Just dont tell me how I have to interpret them.”

    Whatever. I never mentioned your name nor did I tell you how to interpret anything.

    Awful touchy. BTW, that’s my opinion.

  83. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    “A well regulated Militia, [National Guard?] being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people [this be you and me?]to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    I think the “shall not be infringed” part covers it.

  84. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Well, Naathan, aint that just too gosh drned bad — I happen to disagree with you — That doesnt mean I dont understand it, any more or less than YOU do… unless of course, you have hopped on the time machine, gone back in history, and watched and listened to those proceedings…

  85. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB,

    [sarcasm]
    Oh, you mean there is more than the “well regulated” part?

    I would never have known that by reading what KFG and Chas said.
    [sarcasm]

  86. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    “highlight the “well regulated” part”

    Nathan, they can highlight any part of the constitution they want, anyone can – but there is no geting around the comma and the words that follow.

    That’s the whole of it.

  87. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Are you really that stupid?

    I read. I know it is a hard concept, but the founding fathers wrote quite a bit on the subject and I READ about it.

    And yes, you don’t understand it at all.

    Just like you have no idea about self defense, you have no idea about ammo, and you have no idea about guns.

  88. bth
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Nathan – say hi to your dad for me.

  89. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    I personally stood at Cape Kennedy and watched the space shuttle take off. Now I am an expert on aeronautics, physics, propulsion, life-support systems in space, and space flight.

    All that, without a Holiday Inn Express.

  90. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    I saw a gun on Maverick, the rifleman, and the movie True Grit.

    Now I am a firearms expert.

  91. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    “We’re drowning, and all
    because you vote for republicans.”

    Boooo who. (sniffle, sniffle)

    Gotta blame someone. Cannot accept personal responsibility.

    It’s a democrat trait.

  92. annie_moose
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Operation Chaos is working

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOXVuGO_je8&feature=related

  93. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Gotta go. IRA’s to get signed.

    Still, thousands paid in.

    Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.

    Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.

  94. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    You have an amazing mindset, Nathan… I too have read most — if not all — that the founding fathers wrote about the Bill of Rights.

    BUT — heaven forbid that somebody disagree with Nathan, because if they DO, then they cant possibly be reading it right!! And here I thought you only had that attitude about the Bible!! But now, I see that that mindset seems to work for you on anything!! Disagree with Nathan, and be told you are wrong — After all, HE has read it, and HE knows the real TRUTH!! Yea, sure, right!!

    Scroll over material!!

  95. Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Bye AmWay — Dont let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya!! LOL

  96. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.

    Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.
    ==============================

    Now, AmWay, every bit of that fits in exactly with what Obama said… And it is such a pile of neocon TRASH!!! You should be very qashamed of yourself!!

  97. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    A well regulated militia. How can you contort that into “gun control” when it is followed by “shall not be infringed”?

  98. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    every bit of that fits in exactly with what Obama said

    What the hell are you talking about? You gotta link?

  99. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Sure Sol… YOU posted the link earlier, upthread!!

  100. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    And if you havent learned to parse a sentence in the English language, I’m sorry, I dont have time to teach remedial reading on the Blog…

  101. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    uhm… o..k..? I don’t see a link from me on this thread about Obama.

  102. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    I dont have time to teach remedial reading on the Blog…

    Sounds more lik you don’t have a clue. Whiffed on that one scooter

  103. TomPaine
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Alaska and vermont are the only states that remotely follow the 2nd Adm.

  104. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    “ksfarmgrrl” –

    “She didnt suggest the shot. She didnt suggest what KIND of shot. The BARTENDER said “how about Crown Royal” and she said “good idea”.”

    I’ve seen the clip once. But I thought she said something like “Oh! The good stuff!”

    Sounded to me like a desperate fat chick in a rural Kansas bar late on a Saturday night. (And, yeah, that’s sexist and fat-ist and probably elitist… but that’s what it sounded like.)

    Certainly even you, “ksfarmgrrl,” are a bit nonplussed by Senator Clinton bragging about her duck-hunting. Doesn’t it border on silliness just a little bit?

    You and I have seen posters such as the one previously known as “Nathan” who’s so afraid of the world he can’t go to the mail box without packing heat. And he clings to his religion so desperately he cannot even accept any theology but his own.

    Consider the issues that really matter: Iraq, terrorism, healthcare, economic justice, equal opportunity, preserving and restoring constitutional rights… and this election will turn on Hillary Clinton shooting a duck?!

    We’re nearly six months away from the election that really matters. Think there won’t be Bosnias and Rev. Wrights and Crown Royal shots and “Sunni vs. Shi’ites? Whatever…” moments between now and then?

    And don’t you see how all these fringe “issues” have bearing on how any election turns out… probably to distract us from what really matters when the next President takes office?

    “The town name included “crown” something, and that is why the tradition in that bar was Crown Royal.”

    Yeah, and that’s an issue on which we should select the leader of the free world.

    How did any of us get that crazy?

    “I guess if you cant whip somebody on substance, you can always play loose with the facts.”

    And if you consider boilermakers and duck blinds to be “substance,” you’ve got a clear choice in presidential candidates.

    Ah, me…

  105. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Sorry Sollie — you know damned well what “well regulated” means… and what it might allow for with regard to laws…

  106. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    A well regulated MILITIA chas.

  107. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    And the Militia will carry what with them into a battle??? 5 smoothe stones from Brook Kidron, OR their firearms??? You all are always saying “Guns dont kill people; People kill people…” That MILITIA will be carrying guns — Now if the MILITIA is well regulated, then their firearms will be regulated along with them!!

    What your precious, holy, and mighty 2nd Amendment does NOT say, is that the government has NO RIGHT to make laws concerning Guns and Gun owners… It does NOT say that, because the founders knew better than that!!

  108. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Uhm, chas?

    Did you miss this part?

    “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

  109. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    The right of the people.

    That be you and me chas.

    To keep and bear Arms.

    That means we get to have guns chas.

    Shall not be infringed upon.

    That means no laws chas.

  110. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Now, Sol, dont start this nonsense… I didnt say ONE WORD about the right to keep and bear arms… Not ONE WORD, But here you go jumping on me for something I did not say… You people really gotta stop doing that!! Makes you look bad!! There is NOTHING in your precious 2nd Amendment that denies the government the right to pass laws regarding guns, and/or gun owners… It simply isnt there!!

  111. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    No Sol — Guns and gun ownership are not the TWO THINGS in the entire nation that government has NO say about!! I’m sorry… you are just plain wrong (I will restrain myself to not use the term ignorant)… The government can damn well pass laws regulating gun ownership, and gun controls… Such laws do not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms!!

  112. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Point “A”
    I didnt say ONE WORD about the right to keep and bear arms… Not ONE WORD

    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
    KFG says >>><

    “And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.”

    AMEEN!!! I second that!!

    So…. what did you mean then chas?

    ***************************************

    Point “B”
    There is NOTHING in your precious 2nd Amendment that denies the government the right to pass laws regarding guns

    “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Point “C”

    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink
    Sure Sol… YOU posted the link earlier, upthread!!

    **********************************
    Yeah… so where is that post?

  113. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    can damn well pass laws regulating gun ownership, and gun controls… Such laws do not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms!!

    Are you freakin kidding me? No really chas, this is just a joke right? Can you not see how you refuted yourself in the same sentence?

  114. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Point C — YOU posted Obama’s Quote… YOU find it!!

    I still said nothing in either one of your points 1 OR 2, about your right to bear arms… R E A D C A R E F U L L Y

  115. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    YOU posted Obama’s Quote… YOU find it!!
    Whiffed again scooter. Just a liar chas. If not, prove me wrong.

    laws regulating gun ownership
    gun controls

    Your words. Exactly how is that not infringing on an individual’s right to keep and bear arms?

  116. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Obama said (and you posted earlier) >>>>

    “But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

    Now, what AmWay said about the poor folks is right in there “antipathy to people who arent like them or aanti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment” AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks… the ones whose jobs have gone aay in the past 25 or so years?? Everything AmWay said about his delusion of being forced to help these poor folks is all right here in Obama’s words…

  117. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Regarding your gun ownership… So, does a law requiring you to own car insurance prevent you from owning a car?? Does the requirement that you REGISTER your vehicle prevent you from owning your car?? Does failure to have a Driver’s License prohibit you from owning said automobile??

    Why do you not see that reasonable controls on WEAPONS do not in any way, shape or form, prohibit you from owning a gun?? Even if a law says what TYPE of gun you cannot own… doesnt mean that you are prohibited from owning a different type…

    Now, did you read all of that S L O W L Y??

  118. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
    Obama said (and you posted earlier) >>>>

    Such a liar chas.

    Liar liar liiiiaaaaaaarrrr

  119. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    And Sol, calling me a liar will not change what the Constitution does NOT say!! But, if you must — you know if you are clinging to them guns THAT hard… well, I guess you really cant help it…

  120. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    SOL YOU posted from Obama’s quote earlier… Monkey Hawk even quoted from YOUR earlier post!! So, just stop calling ME a liar!!

  121. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    “…shall not be infringed.”

    Sorry, but that toothpaste is outta the tube.

    If “shall not be infringed” is really a constitutional right, guns should be for sale in vending machines… in prisons, mental hospitals, and legislatures.

    This so-called “sacred” right has been infringed upon six ways to Sunday. And no matter how crazed you find yourself when addressing the gun issue, most of you guys admit to a bit of diffidence when it comes to an un-infringed right to keep and bear arms when somebody is on trial for mass murder. So “…shall not be infringed” is a non-issue.

    The right to keep and bear arms is and should be “infringed.”

    Now we’re only talking about a matter of degree.

    It’s like the old joke:

    He says, “Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?”

    She says, “Yes!”

    He says, “Would you sleep with me for ten dollars?”

    She says, “What kind of girl do you think I am?”

    He says, “We know what you are. Now we’re negotiating the price.”

    “…shall not be infringed” makes the 2nd Amendment as anachronistic as the 3rd Amendment.

    Your imaginary unlimted “…right to keep and bear arms…” was lost long ago.

    Consider reality. You’ll be happier.

  122. Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon on my person infringe on my right to bear arms?
    Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon in my vehicle infringe on my right to bear arms?
    Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.
    Read it S L O W L Y chas.

  123. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
    SOL YOU posted from Obama’s quote earlier…

    Then prove it liar.

  124. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    The right to keep and bear arms is and should be “infringed.”

    Nuff said.

  125. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    HERE A$$OLE — YOUR POST >>>>

    SolDevVB
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink
    Is he right or wrong?

    “I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.

    I personally took no offense to what the man said.”

  126. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Still don’t see a link, uhm A$$HOLE.

  127. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    SolDevVB
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
    Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon on my person infringe on my right to bear arms?
    Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon in my vehicle infringe on my right to bear arms?
    Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.
    Read it S L O W L Y chas.
    ================================

    In a word, Sol — NO!!!

    Why?? None of those restrictions say you cannot OWN a weapon…. Where do any of your cutesy examples say you cannot OWN a weapon?? NOWHERE!! Its in your dimly lighted BRAIN, Sol!! All in your head!! Hey, are you and Max, and Nathan all related??? That might explain it!!

  128. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Thats YOUR FRIGGIN POST Sol…. You want a link to your OWN POST???

  129. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    chas,

    Try using your “dimly lighted BRAIN” and read “keep and BEAR arms”

    whiffed again scooter.

  130. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Chas, again, your “dimly lighted BRAIN”. You said that I posted a link regarding Obama. I have not. I called you on it and you still can’t fess up.

    “dimly lighted BRAIN” indeed.

    AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks…

    Wow, not even in the same ball park. Go back and read the EIC part chas.

  131. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Sol, restrictions on “bearing” arms have been in existence since the beginning of this nation… It isnt some new thing thought up by stupid democrats… Been around a LONG time… Guess you must not read much, eh??

    The Old West was full of towns where guns had to be checked at the door to the local saloons.. Dodge City was one of those… MANY towns hve always banned guns within the local city government buildings… and courthouses… and yea, even churches and hospitals…

    IT AINT NEW, SOL!! GET OVER IT!!

  132. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    “Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.”

    There has to be some sort of limitations or restrictions, Mr. DevVB, or Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Michael Bloomberg could just go out and buy a few ICBM’s with nuke warheads, etc.

    The question is not if, but how much?

  133. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    SOL, WHY SHOULD I READ AMWAY’S STUPID REMARK ABOUT THE EIC AGAIN… IT WASNT TRUE THE FIRST TIME I READ IT… IT WONT BE ANY MORE TRUE NOW!!

  134. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    IT AINT NEW, SOL!! GET OVER IT!!

    Never said it was new. You lyin again chas?

    I will never get over it.

    You whine and bitch about Bush taking away civil liberties with the Patriot act and warrantless wire tapping, then you get your panties all in a wad when I want to defend a civil liberty.

    Cafeteria style constitution for chas. Pick and choose what you want, screw the rest. Nice attitude chas. Liar.

  135. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Sol, Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata, is exactly what Obama means when he talks about the angry folks who have Antipathy toward those not like themselves… The VERY epitome of Obama’s words are in what AmWay said about poor folks, and about HIS money having to pay for somebody’s EIC (which is totally false)!!

  136. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    SOL — Either you show me and the entire Blog where I have EVER said you cant have your guns…. or just forever stop badgering me about it!! You wont find anything, but, please, do try!!

  137. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    buy a few ICBM’s

    Agreed Mr. Clark. I don’t want my neighbor to have a 155mm howitzer. I don’t want m=one myself. I don’t own a fire arm.

    It pisses me off when you get ill-informed (poster’s name left out) people that want to preach gun control when they don’t even fully understand the constitutional rights. When they don’t even fully understand the laws that are already in place that aren’t enforced.

    They see a party line talking point and jump in.

  138. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Dammit Sol — Here is your blessed Obama post… Now — either you posted this, or you did not… It IS your post…. cant steal nics anymore….

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-415/#comment-331473

  139. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Sol, Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata,
    He doesn’t dislike the people, he dislikes the tax code. Get a clue.

    Obama means when he talks about the angry folks who have Antipathy toward those not like themselves
    Immigration dolt.

    and about HIS money having to pay for somebody’s EIC (which is totally false)!!
    Whiffed again scooter. The gov’t. need X amount of “revenue” – read taxes. So they tax our income. When a sector of the populace “can not afford” to pay their share, that burden is passed on to others.

  140. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    “AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks…”

    Excuse me. But I never said anything about my IRA’s helping the poor. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. I didn’t even imply that my IRA’s would help the poor. I merely stated I had to go take care of my IRA paperwork (Roth IRA’s over age 50), so I’d be leaving.

    There are various types and requirements, but basically, anyone who ever worked and has bought IRA’s knows at some point in time (immediately for a deductible/in retirement for a nondeductible), IRA’s in some fashion (either base amount reduces immediate liability/interest amount decreased liability) REDUCE payment of my worth to the IRS/US Government. (It gets more complicated, but that’s why I go to someone else to do the paperwork and I sign).

    But bottom line is an IRA helps shield or protect my money from taxation.

    This would never help “the poor folk”.

    Hence, I never implied that it would. Just that I had to leave.

    But I’m baaaaack!

  141. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
    Dammit Sol — Here is your blessed Obama post

    Quite right, liar. And in said post is ne’ery a link. Liar.

  142. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    “I don’t want my neighbor to have a 155mm howitzer.”

    Damn, I don’t want my ex-wife to have a squirt gun, but that might be over doing it.

    The bottom line gun control, or whatever you might want to call it, is that cooler heads on both sides need to address the issue upfront and fairly.

    As I have posted many, many times – if the answer to the question is “more guns” then it is the wrong answer.

    If the answer to the question is “no guns” it is still the wrong answer.

  143. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    SO, you dont want your neighbor to own a 155mm Howitzer… But you dont believe in gun control, Sol!! How amazing!! You want CONTROL over what kind of gun your neighbor owns… But I cant say it because WHY??

    And what in God’s Green Earth makes you think you know more about the Constitution than I do, or anybody else does?? You’re just like Nathan(iel)…. I disagree with you… so, therefore I am WRONG, and YOU are right… RIGHT!!! Wow, now we got that out in the open!!

    Have fun, Sollie!! I do hope your neighbor doesnt go buy a 155 Howitzer!! After all, you wouldnt want to RESTRICT what kind of gun he owns, now would you??

    just too damned funny!!! ROFLMAO!!!

  144. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Sol, I never SAID there was a link… I STATED, perfectly clearly, so that even YOU could understand, that you posted earlier from Obama’s speech… NO LINK was ever mentioned!!! YOU were the one who wanted a link — a link that doesnt exist… I NEVER said you posted a LINK…. Go look it up, ummmm…. LIAR yourself!!

  145. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    “Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata”

    Where’s the link Chas. Your statement is a falsification of what I posted.

  146. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    But I cant say it because WHY??

    Because you are an idiot?

    Ignorance proved:

    Why?? None of those restrictions say you cannot OWN a weapon….

    Why do you not see that reasonable controls on WEAPONS do not in any way, shape or form, prohibit you from owning a gun??

    There is NOTHING in your precious 2nd Amendment that denies the government the right to pass laws regarding guns

    Ahhh, this is getting boring. Everyone already knows…

  147. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    ““AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks…””

    Again Chas, please read more carefully. Slow down. I know you read can read well. I think you get excited/riled by what people post, so you quickly post back without thinking about the content.

    I never made the above statement.

    LOL

  148. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
    Gotta go. IRA’s to get signed.

    Still, thousands paid in.

    Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.

    Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.
    ================================

    Say what AmWay??? Nothing about providing for poor folks, eh??? Hmmmmm…. and even bitching about the EIC….

    Sucks to be you AmWay!!

  149. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
    Sol, I never SAID there was a link…
    ^
    ^
    ^
    ^
    ^
    Chas
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink
    Sure Sol… YOU posted the link earlier, upthread!!
    ^
    ^
    ^
    ^
    ^
    Liar liar liiiiiaaaaar
    Liar liar liiiiiaaaaar
    Liar liar liiiiiaaaaar

  150. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    OK Sol, I used a term WRONG…. You posted a QUOTE above… not a link… I dug out your friggin quote, and STILL you rattled on…. Just a bunch of poorly attempted misdirection!!! Go suck an egg, Sol!!!

  151. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    OK Sol, I used a term WRONG…You posted a QUOTE above… not a link…I dug out your friggin quote, and STILL you rattled on…. Just a bunch of poorly attempted misdirection!!!

  152. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    IOW, SOL, I didnt LIE… You posted a quote, and not a link… No LIE there, DumbA$$

  153. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Come on Chas, I don’t want this to go on for hours.

    Anyone, please read what I posted.

    1. Never said my IRA’s help the poor. (your clue Chas is the thousands “paid” in – not the acronym IRA.)

    2. Never said I dislike the poor. That is a complete fabrication on your part.

  154. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Nothing about providing for poor folks, eh??? Hmmmmm…. and even bitching about the EIC….

    Sucks to be you AmWay!!

    Must suck to be so ignorant chas. EIC is paying for the lower income. What they don’t pay is made up for by everyone else that does pay. Do you understand taxation at all chas?

    First you say I posted a link. Then you say I posted a link from Obama. Whiffed again scooter.

    Liar liar liiiiiaaaaar
    Liar liar liiiiiaaaaar
    Liar liar liiiiiaaaaar

  155. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    You posted a quote, and not a link… No LIE there, DumbA$$

    So did you see snipers in Bosnia too chas?

  156. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Then you say I posted a [quote] from Obama

  157. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    AmWay… my CLUE is in your coming back for a trophy award “for providing for all those poor people” Not to mention your somewhat demeaning, and misleading comment about EIC money going directly from your account to somebody else’s….

    It wont go on for hours… seconds maybe… but not hours!! LOL

  158. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    In fact, thats all I have to say about it… :-)

  159. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Sol, I was one time taught that when I wrote an article for the newspaper, letter to editor, speech, or instructional material, that I should structure my words to address an audience of 8th graders. Dumb it down.

    I don’t know if that says anything nationally, about our education system.

  160. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    SOL — have a beer — Chill Out!! You are entirely too worked up!! It is quite clear that you believe in gun restrictions as much as I do… Thats OK… Maybe a different kind of restriction… But still, a restriction… Thats all I have to say about that too!! :-D

  161. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Amway,
    Same thing they taught us in the Army. Keep It Simple, Stupid.

  162. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    have a beer — Chill Out!!

    I think your shift key is dented.

  163. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    “Not to mention your somewhat demeaning, and misleading comment about EIC…”

    “They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.”

    CHAS: DO YOU FEEL THE AIR MOVING DIRECTLY OVER YOUR HEAD?

  164. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Wow AmWay — when I was in school, they said write it at a 3rd grade level – We’ve come up in the world!!! LOL

  165. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Amway I KNOW what you said about the EIC payments… And I still find it somewhat demeaning, and misleading… got it??

    Now, I really have no more to say about it!!

  166. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    CHAS: DO YOU FEEL THE AIR MOVING DIRECTLY OVER YOUR HEAD?

    LMFAO. Think I peed a little ;-)

  167. Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Great article by Beck.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/14/beck.taxday/index.html

  168. annie_moose
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Anymore gun control is a dead issue. Guns are
    everywhere.If you don’t have it you can build it.

    http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/introduction.shtml

  169. Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the info, KsFrmGrrl.

    *****

    Listen to AmWay: “Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people”

    Total BS. More than 50 percent of your income taxes go the same place mine and everybody else’s go–to funding the biggest war machine the world has ever seen.

    And of course, most of that money goes to big contractors like Boeing, Raytheon, McDonald-Douglas (or what’s left of it), Halliburton, Blackwater, Kellogg-Brown and Root, Bechtold, etc etc.

    How long do you have to get hit over the head before you see who’s hitting you? Harry Truman famously asked.

    When you’re as dumb as AmWay, the answer is forever . . .

  170. Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of dumb capn, when those folks get EIC and pay nothing in, who picks up the slack and contributes their share?

    Dumb indeed.

  171. Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Now, I really have no more to say about it!!

    Sound familiar?

    Forest: That’s all I have to say about that

  172. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    There is nothing reasonable in a conversation on gun control when people like Chas resort to using a 155mm howitaer as their argument for gun control.

    In the most broad sense of the term “arms” and “gun control”, why yes, it is reasonable to restrict ownership of a 155mm howitzer.

    Where things stop being reasonable is when you try to say that then extends to other areas like magazine capacity, assualt rifles, etc…etc…etc…

    Most all of the restrictions on guns that the gun control crowd wants are merely to get rid of guns and not be reasonable.

    When people like Chas say all ammo which can penetrate a cops body armor should be banned, is a perfect example of a few things:

    1. That people like Chas have no clue what they are talking about.

    2. That people like Chas are not interested in being reasonable, they just want to restrict to absuridty.

    3. That people like Chas will develop and coin terms like “cop killer bullets” to further their cause regardless of the stupidity of the label.

  173. glfr48m
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Just filed my taxes — rather large check I had to write them —- As a consumer of the government services my taxes purchase, I am definitely NOT GETTING MY MONEY’S WORTH …………

    I’d like at least 50% of the money my taxes paid to DOD and Foreign relations. I don’t feel any safer and I got your foreign relations right here (doing a rosey o’dennell crotch grab)

    That should get half my taxes back — I’ll go out and get a CCpermit for my own defense and still be money ahead …..

    Now — what form is that again?

    Sidenote : the zip code for sending in Kansas State taxes begins with 666 —— ominous,

  174. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    beber = scroll over territory — ks phoney farm girl

    I suspect I’ve been scroll over territory since you wrote this:

    Doorking=russell the roundhead=beber

    Yer an idiot.

    If you think this farmland is going to be so valuable, wouldnt it be MORE valuable if it had water? And the cost of inputs for crops has outpaced the prices of grains. Fertilzer, diesel fuel, seed wheat shortages, storage, transportation, etc. And have you looked at the prices for equipment lately?

    Farmland prices have gone DOWN here.

    And.. could you possibly translate this into English?

    “I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.”

    Care to backup that statement that erosion is a bigger “threat to population” than water shortages?

    Jesus WEPT! You never met a water sucking ethnaol plant or coal burning plant you didnt love.

    “Farmland prices have gone DOWN here”– ks farm gal.

    And I wrote this.

    Maybe, but national trends are up. You’re some kind of chicken lady sitting on 40 acres aren’t you? You’re not a real farmer. Otherwise you wouldn’t blubber that po’ farmer b.s.

    Here is just one of about 1,000 URL’s I found in five seconds concerning the explosive increase in farmland values.

    http://www.hpj.com/archives/2008/mar08/mar10/Farmlandvaluesriseascroppri.cfm

    Now as for fuel, even at $4 a gallon, the per acre per annum cost is around three or four dollars per acre. Nitrogen has doubled, but you are still looking at only about $20 per acre tops for N, and probably almost as much for Phos. $40 tops. Screw your seed wheat. Many farmers plant bin run. And as for equipment costs, sure it’s high, but if you figure your per acre costs, a tractor is still the cheapest per acre input. Sure they cost $200,000, but they do millions of acres over their lives.

    And you don’t need new equipment each year.

    I don’t think you’re a farmer at all, otherwise you wouldn’t innundate this board with such bullcrap about the occupation. I think you’re a hobby farmer, a pig slopper, with a few hundred acres and some chickens, and you have no more idea what farming is than a San Francisco hippy does.

    You costs have not increased nearly enough to absorb your price increases. And don’t f with me on this subject. From 1997 to 2007, I put 600,000 bushels of wheat in the bin, along with 500,000 bushels of corn, and something like 40,000 bags of beans. I made money when wheat was $2.50. I made money when pinto beans were $12 a bag. I made money on buck and a half corn.

    By the way, dryland farming depends on rain, not underground water. The water under the land has little to do with it’s value as the crop does not depend on irrigation. If you really were a farmer, you’d know that.

    what’s your tractor; and old 4010?

    You’re a phoney, ks farm girl. You’re an egg lady, a gal with a tater patch, but you ain’t no farmer, and you don’t know squat about farming. Or water.

  175. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    (drums fingers)

    takes a long time to defrag 8 hard drives…

  176. parkay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Pro-lifers are now specifically targeting Kansas BOHA member Myra Christopher, appointed by Bilious Sebelius, as unfit to protect public health and safety. She is an advocate instead for useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research, euthanasia, and abortion, and is in fact an abortion mill director, being a member of Planned Parenthood’s advisory board.
    After abortionist quack Sherman Zaremski was found to have invented years of medical records to cover-up his business partner’s drug-addiction, BOHA merely declared him censured, but never published the censure anywhere. BOHA refused to lift the medical license of an abortionist quack who committed an illegal abortion on a 13-year-old incest victim because the quack was too old to discipline. BOHA refused to lift the medical license of an abortionist quack who was twice officially labeled a danger to the public. BOHA refused to lift the medical license of a quack who committed gross negligence in ending the life of an elderly patient without permission from anyone. BOHA failed to enforce the state post-viability abortion ban during at least five former “investigations” and issued no disciplinary actions against the criminal abortionist quacks.
    We will not have a medical board, supposedly charged with the protection of public health and safety, carry on with such blatant neglect of duty. We will have law enforcement. We will have justice.

  177. Posted April 15, 2008 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Uh huh — And Forest was a millionaire too!!

  178. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Chas Forest was a movie character. Not real. Stop digging, put down the shovel. Now.

  179. Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Granny, I KNOW who Forest Gump was… dumb old woman!! Geez!! Never misses a chance to throw out your barbs!! Must be hell to live a life so bad that your best time is finding somebody on a Blog you can shoot ad hominem CRAP at!!

  180. Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    So which is it, Regular?

    * Were you lying when you said you served in the Vietnam War (actually Thailand) or were you lying when you said you were too young to serve in the Vietnam War?

    *Were you lying when you said you were married or were you lying when you said you had never been married?

    Now that you claim that you have stopped lying, it would be good to confess of your past lying.

    That might begin to convince the readers that you’ve really changed.

    Instead, however, you just name-call and lash out at others for pointing out the obvious: you lie.

  181. Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    While you’re not doing anything — wait, that’s always for you — maybe you can answer a simple question.

  182. Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Not sure he’s here, CapN

  183. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Hey Crapn, you certain enjoy getting into my privates?

    Do you want to touch me Crapn?

    Are you longing to touch me?

    Your obsession Crapn, indicates some sort of attraction.

    You got something special on the law books that states you can put private information on the Blog without penalty?

    Do you really wanna do it Crapn?

    You gotta ask yourself this question.

    Do you feel lucky punk?

    Well, do you?

  184. Political_mama
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Yes Parkay, because forcing a 13 year old incest victim to have a baby is just the right thing to do!

    Sick f’er. You should join the cultists in Texas.

  185. Phantom
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Hank looks almost sane in the photo!

  186. Phantom
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Looks like China is our buddy, almost as much as Israel is our buddy!

    U.S. physicist guilty of arms-export violation 34 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A U.S. physicist pleaded guilty to conspiracy to violate export control laws by giving a Chinese research assistant technology for a weapons-type unmanned plane, the Justice Department said on Tuesday.

    ADVERTISEMENT

    The department said Daniel Max Sherman, a former employee of Knoxville, Tennessee-based Atmospheric Glow Technologies, entered his plea as part of an agreement with prosecutors.

    It said Sherman, the Atmospheric Glow company and a retired University of Tennessee professor conspired to transmit the data, which related to a U.S. Air Force contract to develop “plasma actuators” that improve a plane’s aerodynamics.

    The data was given to a Chinese national who was a graduate research assistant at the university, the department said.

    The violation carries a maximum punishment of five years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

    (Reporting by Randall Mikkelsen)

  187. ksfarmgrrl
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Looks like in addition to idiot day, it’s also the day to attack the messenger instead of the message.

    Like I said, if you cant refute my posts, or Pmom’s posts, you can always whine about her or whine about me as a poster.

    Jesus WEPT!

    Anyone think dorking has a problem with women, especially strong women? And he whines about the treatment of convicted sex offenders.

    I think we see a pattern here…

  188. Phantom
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    If Condi were any kind of leader, she’d lead by example and do a stint in Iraq or Afghanistan. With modern technology, there’s no reason she has to work out of Washington!
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080415/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_iraq_embassy_7

  189. Political_mama
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Hey is there a way to access the old blog comments?

  190. Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Archives P-Mama

  191. Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    “Hey is there a way to access the old blog comments?”

    A quicker way, P Mom, is to go to Google, advanced search, enter the WE Blog URL, enter what info you remember in the appropriate sections, hit search.

    The Internet is forever.

  192. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    dorking that’s TWO of my pals you’ve messed with today.

    I don’t know what you have up your butt.

    But if you’re looking for trouble?

    Here I is.

  193. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Oh an happy bday CF.

    I didn’t realize I was older than you.

    Forty is rough.

    But I cried it all out at 30.

    Yeah the net is forever politcal mama.

    I used to post greatest hits from time to time. Maybe I should do that again.

  194. HerbertWestIII
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    1.”"Everday”", I have too go to the member site and re-register my e-mail address. Why?? I keep trying to comment and I get my e-mail address is wrong. I go to the registration site and re-register only to find that I have to re-register the next day. I hope they work out this glitch soon.
    2. I would also like to reflect on blogs and communications lately. I see alot of “BAR ROOM FIGHT COMMUNICATIONS” lately. What are those? They are communications where if we all stop and ask ourselves and eachother, what started the fight or who threw the first swing, we could not answer. We swing and dont know why. I do this also. I find myself swinging and I dont know why. I see the Candidates for the Presidentcy doing the same. I see Politicians and Constituants doing this. I was just trying too make the point, we should look at why we swing. Anyone can throw blows. But can any of us remember why??
    3. Herbert West III, west.herb@yahoo.com , http://www.wen2k.com

  195. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Anyone think dorking has a problem with women, especially strong women? — kansas farm girl.

    What I have called you out on is your bonifides, egg lady. Your statement that costs have outstripped the new high prices makes it obvious you’re nothing but a conduit for propaganda, and propaganda, by the way, opposed to the way of life you seem to be supporting. It’s K-State/Farm Bureau crap.

    And I will agree, anyone who can plant 200 pounds of seed potatoes is strong. Strong of arm and odor. Didn’t I interview you once on the outskirts of WaKeeney regarding a hog odor problem. That wasn’t you, was it?

    What kind of tractor do you have?

  196. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Oh I don’t know.

    My grandparents lived on a farm and worked it.

    For over 40 years.

    It was only a hundred acres though. So I guess they don’t qualify as farmers?

    I don’t think you’ve met the farmgrrl “beber dorking”.

    From what I read, seems you spend your time looking to chat up the Hannah Montana demo. What else you might do with them I’d really rather not think about.

  197. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Just because I post that I am opposed to the tax system does not mean I think people are lazy or that I dislike “poor” people. When President Clinton signed Welform Reform, did you also call him mean? Did he hate the poor?

    I believe the income tax, as incorporated into our Constitution in Amendment 16, was intended to collect revenue to keep the basic functions of government operating. We have come a long way from that basic function. Today we use the 16th Amendment to form social behavior of our citizens, to promote economic activities, belief systems, and to redistribute the wealth to whomever the Congress decides “deserves” it. That does not mean I hate the poor. The income tax should not be used to change individual behavior of the citizens, should not promote social change, nor influence private economic activity beyond the tax itself. To that end, it also should not be molded to provide breaks for corporations (corporate welfare is not quite the correct name for this), breaks for farmers, breaks for investors (I guess I hate the rich), incentives nor deductions for business (I guess I hate big business too heh?)and not for homeownership. We have come a long way from simply trying to meet the financial needs of a growing nation.

    Over the nearly 100 years, the Congress and President have used the IRS for whatever toy, whim, or social belief they believe at the time is appropriate. They have bowed to industry, the rich, the poor, and a bizarre number of lobbies tweaking the revenue system.
    The result is an IRS Code which can be stacked to the ceiling and is a nightmare (that is for anyone filing beyond a simple short form) for many Americans. Heck, investigations, studies, and tests by a number of interests have confirmed the confusion. The same individual taxpayer datum was supplied to dozens of “professional” income tax preparers’ – and rarely do any two come out computed the same. This has been done over, and over again. If the experts can’t agree – is it any wonder the average Joe can’t figure it out?
    Way too complex and burdensome. Time is money, and it takes hours.

    The Earned Income Credit is just one of my favorites. It is neither Earned nor Income.
    It is flat out using the revenue collection system to redistribute wealth. Business tax credits, corporate rules, and breaks for investors are others (the difference being the former directly distributes Treasury funds to individuals, the later is a decrease in the funds paid to the Treasury).

    Because I want change – does not mean I hate “poor” people. It’s a nice line for labeling by certain people. But it does not make it the truth. It is true that as a NOT rich person, I pay lots of thousands of dollars in federal, states, and local taxes. I have every right to protest and work to change a system which has gotten too big and too complex. The way to do that is to get back to the basics. Basically, our income tax was to provide needed revenue for the nation.

  198. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    “From what I read, seems you spend your time looking to chat up the Hannah Montana demo. What else you might do with them I’d really rather not think about.” — Blue Jay.

    Hanna has a nice ass, but her tits are too damned small.

  199. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    “When you’re as dumb as….”

    Good evening CapnAmerica. I see your vocabulary has not improved. Still reverts to childhood with the name calling too.

    Some things never change……

  200. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    When Regular is caught in several transparent lie, instead of saying, “yeah, I lied. I was wrong” he comes out with this:

    Do you want to touch me Crapn?

    Are you longing to touch me?

    Your obsession Crapn, indicates some sort of attraction.

    You got something special on the law books that states you can put private information on the Blog without penalty?

    Do you really wanna do it Crapn?

    You gotta ask yourself this question.

    Do you feel lucky punk?

    Well, do you?

    *****

    All I wanted to do is show that you are an unrepentant liar, Regular.

    Mission Accomplished.

  201. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    AmWay–

    Your post was so long that I forgot what it was saying after the first 25 lines, I lost track of what you were saying after the second 25 lines, and toward the end, I feel asleep.

    One word, dude: summarize.

  202. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Summarize? Thanks Capn. Is that what you do with “dumb ass”…?

    Anyway, let me know now if this is going to be another one of those Capn/Chas?BlueJay nights of posting all about Regular?

    If it is, I have other things to do.

  203. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Berber–

    Giant mechanized strip-mining of environmental resources is agribusiness, it’s not necessarily farming.

    According to you, the Amish who’ve been farming for ten generations in this country, aren’t real farmers because they don’t have giant tractors that burn massive quanities of diesel fuel.

    I disagree.

  204. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Someday, AmWay will learn how to scroll over posts he’s not interested in.

    Until then, make sure you’re writing about what he’s interested in . . .

    :roll:

  205. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    All I wanted to do is show that you are an unrepentant liar, Regular.

    Mission Accomplished.
    —————————

    Nope, all it shows is that you are wannabe Blog Monitor that is powerless or should I say impotent to do anything.

    Guess that just sucks now doesn’t it Crapn?

    (chortles)

  206. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Okay, maybe you’re right, Regular.

    Let’s take a poll.

    How many people think that when one person writes on this Blog that I was married and I have never been married that this constitutes a lie?

    LIE or NOT LIE

    I vote lie.

  207. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    (chortles)

  208. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Sucks to be you doesn’t it Crapn?

    Now Crapn is asking for polls, because he has failed his attempt to be a wannabe Blog Monitor.

  209. Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I’m not the one caught in the transparent lies, so no it doesn’t suck to be me . . .

    (chortles)

  210. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    “Until then, make sure you’re writing about what he’s interested in . . .”

    touché Capn. Good point.

    But scrolling over “Everyone Loves Regular” gets old too. Miss the opinions on issues.

    Anyway new episode of “Deadliest Catch” is on the Discovery HD channel tonight. Love that show. Except everytime I watch it I get hungry for Alaskan King Snow crab. Crabs great. But it’s the hot butter that will kill you.

  211. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Actually, I’m not the one caught in the transparent lies, so no it doesn’t suck to be me . . .

    (chortles)
    ——————-
    Actually Crapn, no one cares.

    What you are doing is intentionally harassing a poster which is against the rules of the blog.

    Let’s do a poll.

    How many think CapnAmerica harasses posters on a regular basis and should be banned from the WE Blog?

    See there Crapn? With you being gone, no more problems, no one would care because you wouldn’t be around to ask your irrelevant, petty and inane accusatory questions.

    Go join a sewing circle Crapn, you appear to like to gossip. You’d fit right in with the ladies.

  212. Apophis
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    I vote the troll-boy a liar.

  213. American_Way
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Hey Regular, no offense intended in my posts to CapnAmerica about you.

    You are o.k., and have a right to post too without being attacked. I like you – but not to the point of obsesssion. (You aren’t my type)

  214. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I vote liar — its obvious!!

  215. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Awwww, lookee there, the Minister Chas wants to be part of the Wannabe’s lynching party.

    How KKK of Chas.

  216. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Not KKK — KKK represents Bigoted Raqcial Injustice and hatred… This is just the facts, James… just the facts!!

  217. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    That’s three votes for Regular is a liar to zero that he’s not a liar.

    All Regular would have to say is “yes, I have lied” and I wouldn’t have to remind the Blog of his repeated lying.

  218. beber
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    “According to you, the Amish who’ve been farming for ten generations in this country, aren’t real farmers because they don’t have giant tractors that burn massive quanities of diesel fuel.” Cappy

    So why don’t you buy your groceries from the Amish? Farmers don’t burn massive quantities of diesel fuel; in fact, per unit I’d wager they use less power than the Amish. Remember, a no till spray rig runs on a smallish Perkins engine and covers 70 to 100 acres an hour; a huge tractor burns the same amount of fuel per hour as the tractor-trailer rig which stocks your grocery store, and covers 30 to 40 acres per hour, so you can see, the fuel input isn’t really that great. The real energy hog is an irrigation well. But that does not apply in dryland conditions. Harvest is very energy-intensive, too. It took around 3,000 gallons of fuel to harvest 1500 acres. That’s 3.6 million loaves of bread.

    We often covered 700 acres a day using cheap Chinese glysophosphate (Round-up and pardon my spelling), at a total cost of less than $4 per acre per operation. The fuel consumption would have been about 50 gallons, or in your terms, a couple of fill-ups.

  219. Apophis
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    I vote for BANISHMENT from the blog as punishment.

    …………WAIT, isn’t that what Jimmiemac PROMISED at the end of 2007?

    …………….just another LIE!

  220. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    When I was a kid, a group of us neighborhood kids played baseball almost every day unless it was raining… there was one kid who was only there about one week out of the month… visitation time…

    Well, this kid insisted that in the part of town he lived in, they had different baseball rules than in our part of town… he insisted that where he lived you get 4 strikes!!

    WQell, we didnt give him 4 strikes, cause that just isnt baseball!! So, either he had to play the rules we used — like everywhere else in the world… or he could sit on the sidelines and watch..

    He watched, but he called us liars becuse we played by the rules… he called us cheaterss, becauyse we played by the rules… he called us punks, because hew couldnt play unless he agreed to play with 3 strikes!!

    By the time we were in our teens, he was still coming around… and he still insisted we were liars and cheaters — but by then, he could drive a car… And we only got ridf of him when he decided it wasnt against HIS rules to borrow the Mustang of one of the other guys dads that played ball with us…. her even told the cop that where he lived, it wasnt called auto theft… he just borrowed it!!

    He spent the next two years in Hutch… where they played ball with three strikes… and he couldnt get away with calling the others liars and cheaters!!

  221. Political_mama
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Liar, that’s my vote.

    And I think we might have a runnerup for the next troll poster.

  222. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Here is a New Year’s Resolution that all the Libs will enjoy.

    I will stop blogging forever.

    Primarily because I will be busy from obligations.

    That, and the Libs here on the blog will not be able to use me as a target.

    Posted by: Kansas (now Regular) | December 24, 2007 at 07:20 PM

    When you break your promise and don’t “stop blogging forever,” will you then admit that you are a liar?

    Posted by: CapnAmerica | December 28, 2007 at 12:19 AM

    I won’t be here to make such a statement Capn.
    So, get over yourself, you’ll have to spew out your angst against something or someone else.

    Posted by: Kansas (now Regular)| December 28, 2007 at 12:27 AM

  223. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Right CapN — Instead, he attacks me as KKK!! Thats the great truth teller in action!!

  224. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, P-Mom.

    4 votes for LIE
    0 votes for NOT LIE

    Not looking good for your side, Regular . . .

  225. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Regular is madly googling old posts trying to find a seeming lie by one of us.

    Hey, Regular, if one just posts honestly instead of making all kinds of fantasies about oneself, one doesn’t get called out as a liar.

    You should try it.

  226. Posted April 15, 2008 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    “My tires got slashed because of the mean libs . . . ”

    Wahaaa!

    Lie

    Of course . . .

  227. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Ahh, I see the gun banners were active today.

    The irrational and emotional attacks by the Capn/Chas twins was displayed again – enmasse. Their ignorance continues to feed their fear. Their inability to research the issue and learn the truth paralyzes them. And their hope for a Socialist Government to meet their every need, supercedes any semplence of want or desire for Freedom.

    I pity them.

  228. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and note once again, in risk of being redundent in the face of redundent personal attacks:

    The Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate. Clinton/Obama do NOT suppor the 2nd Amendment.

    They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.

    Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/

    No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away the Clinton/Obama record – unless they LIE!

  229. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Awww Max, stow it!! You got nothing!! You proved your true self last nite… You are anti government, and anti constitution!! You HATE this country, Max… you proved that last nite!! You would rather be an enemy combatnt against our government, than work to help out in a catastrophic event!!

  230. outlander
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Oh, what an interesting thread…, or not.

    I vote that… Capn America needs to get a life if he has time to obsess about another poster on a stupid blog.

  231. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Just remeber this folks:

    The 2nd Amendment protects an EXISTING right, the most basic of fundamental rights. That is, the right of a human being to defend their own life.

    If the President of the United States will not protect the right of a human being to defend their own life, then how can we expect that President to defend any of our other rights of Freedom?

    One-trick pony? Nope. The right to defend one’s own life is a prerequisite right. That is, if we cannot protect our own life, then we cannot enjoy any other rights.

    Clinton nor Obama cannot honestly defend their votes and past statements regarding their desire to ban guns.

    Just remember.

    If you are ever disarmed by your government, then all of us will subjects to our government, and no longer free.

  232. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Capn has a certain fetish for Regular.

    Strange.

    Very strange.

  233. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Out I vote with you. Chas needs a vocation and Cap needs a life. When I was a kid I played games with kids and then I grew up.

  234. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    And when the Pesident orders all weapons confiscated in the event of an emergency, which BUSH gave himself the power to do last May, in a new Presidential Directive — Then MAX by hisd own admission, will stand against the president… against our beloved country… and against our constitution!! MAX will be an insurgent… an enemy combatant!! Because his GUNS are more important to Max, than our precious Country!!

    MAX is the true enemy of our country, and our government!! Max is truly Anti-American!!

  235. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Cap few people would have to google to find lies of Chas. He posts them daily then tries to spin it so that it is someone else’s words and not his. This is a stupid game you play every night and it is not pretty.

    Why not act like adults and have adult discussions.

  236. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    As aa good Capitalist, Max SHOULD be trying to figure out a way to SELL arms storage facilities to the government, and make some major $$$$ off of the Catastrophe!!

  237. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Many extreme leftist Libs on this blog attack the 2nd Amendment defenders. These Libs actually defend Obama’s comments by stating that those who defend the 2nd Amendment affirm Obama’s comments!

    Obama said: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”

    What a great way for the attackers of the 2nd Amendment to attempt to mischaracterize and make fun of those who love Freedom and recognize the power of the 2nd Amendment to enable The People to maintain ALL of the rest of their Freedoms protected by the Constitution.

    Anyone with a brain, can see thru Obama’s ruse. Obama’s attack on 2nd Amendment defenders only serves to highlight OBAMA’s lack of support for Freedom in America. And the same is true for those who defend Obama’s attack on those who support the 2nd Amendment.

  238. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    FIND a LIE Granny good witch… FIND ONE!! That should take you all nite, and half of the week!! LOL!!!

  239. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Remembe Granny — A LIE is not a lie just because it is an opinion that differs from YOURS!!! ROFLMAO!!!

  240. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Max–

    What the hell are you talking about?

    I am the proud owner of a Remington 11-87 (magnum), a Mossberg 12 gauge pump (not so proud of that one, I can’t hit anything with it), a Savage .410 / .22 rifle over-under, a Winchester .22 semi-auto, and an old 12 gauge full-choke single shot.

    I’m also seriously considering getting a .357 magnum pistol, a WW2 era military rifle, a cowboy style 30-30 lever action carbine, and I wouldn’t mind getting a short-barrel side-by-side 12 gauge for home defense, although the 11-87 would do just fine for that too I’m guessing.

    I grew up plinking cans with a .22 all summer when I was a kid. We also hunted pheasants and rabbits during the winter.

    I love guns. I just don’t worship them, like you and Nathan apparently do.

  241. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    “Obama said: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
    [MaxGrobnik]

    MAX Obama is right, and your ranting about it is PROOF that Obama is right on taarget!!!

  242. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Wow.

    Not a single one of Regular’s political pals will go so far as to say that he’s not lying.

    The best they can come up with is that I am somehow at fault for pointing out his lies.

    If you people hadn’t done so much harm to our country, I would feel sorry for you.

    But since you have, I simply loathe you.

  243. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Max, you arent a 2nd Amendment defender… You are a 2nd Amendment Fanatic!! yOU WOULD FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT

  244. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Max, you arent a 2nd Amendment defender… You are a 2nd Amendment Fanatic!! yOU WOULD FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT

  245. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Max, you arent a 2nd Amendment defender… You are a 2nd Amendment Fanatic!! yOU WOULD FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT

  246. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Chas’s lies continue in his 9:17 post.

    Can you believe ANYTHING this jerk says? You believe he’s a pastor?

    If he lies about being a Christian pastor, what won’t he lie about?

    Chas, you have ZERO credibility on this blog. You play here like a child gone wild, with no parental supervision. Keep making a fool of yourself, post in ALL CAPS EVEN, until you arrive at the terminus of your journey on your path to self-destruction.

  247. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    And two more from Chas – both at 9:28.

    You are sad Chas.

    Burn in hell for your lies.

  248. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Max, you arent a 2nd Amendment defender… You are a 2nd Amendment Fanatic!! yOU WOULD FIGHT AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT JUST TO KEEP YOUR BLESSED, HOLY, MAJESTIC GUNS!! EVEN IN THE EVENT OF A NATIONAL CATASTROPHE!! YOU HAVE PROVEN THAT… LAST NITE AND TONITE…

    You are a blight on our Constitution, and our Government, and our way of life!!

  249. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Find the lie in my 9:17 p.m. post Max… Show where I lied!! You cant do it, but good luck trying!! And if you cant find the lie, then just go crawl into your super duper anti government bunker, and wait for the “END” to come!! LOL

  250. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Chas show me a link on that directive. Stating that the executive branch would have control of all law enforcement depts doesn’t say that.

    The biggest lie was the one about counseling SS beneficiaries about what they could draw. Took four days before that one went away because you wouldn’t admit you were wrong. Still don’t.

    I don’t have the time or patience to list them all but anyone who blogs here knows.

  251. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    I was wrong, 3 more lies from Chas, not 2. All posted at 9:28.

    3 posts and 3 lies in one minute.

    That should tell you something about the desparate shape of the mind of Chas.

    Seek mental help Chas.

  252. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry about it Max, ksgrm, it’s amusing watching the juveniles play. Sad though.

    Perhaps the Crapn should invest in some insurance?

    (chortles)

  253. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    “The biggest lie was the one about counseling SS beneficiaries about what they could draw. Took four days before that one went away because you wouldn’t admit you were wrong. Still don’t.” [grnny]

    That wasnt a LIE Granny!! Vaughn even Said i it wasnt a lie!! Furthermnore, I never counseled anybody to DO anything… I gave an opinion… and sent them to a SSA agent!!

    But you WANTED it to be a lie so much that you are still lying about it now!!

  254. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    FIND THE LIE MAX… WHAT IS THE LIE MAX??? YOU CANT FIND IT, BECAUSE IT DOESNT EXIST!!!

    YOU ARE THE ANTI-GOVERNMENT RANTER… NOT ME!!

  255. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how many poor lil widows Chas mislead with his bad advice on Social Security.

    Sad.

    It’s bad enough he has to fill up this blog with crap. He has to harm lil old widows too.

  256. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Chas is a pastor, Max.

    I met him.

    Also his 9:17 post is not a lie. A lie is a fact that is proven false–like when Regular pledges he will not post after Jan 1st and then he continues to post through April or when Bush says that “we found two WMD mobile weapons labs” when he knew damn well they weren’t mobile weapons labs.

    Those are lies.

    What Chas wrote was an opinion, expressed as an opinion. It can’t be proven true or false, so it can’t be a lie.

  257. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    ALL CAPS AGAIN CHAS!

    S-E-E-K MENTAL HELP NOW!

  258. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Reg I guess that is right I expected them to act like adults.

  259. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    “Chas show me a link on that directive. Stating that the executive branch would have control of all law enforcement depts doesn’t say that.”

    WRONG AGAIN, GRANNY GOOD WITCH!!! You tried to tear me to shreds when I first posted that Presidential Directive Laast May!! It gives FULL POWERS to the President in the event of a national catastrophe/emergency… You want to find it and try to p rove me a liar, then YOU, by God, go find the damn thing!!! B***h

  260. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Ok, smart a$$es Capn/Crunch, show how Obama and Clinton SUPPORT the 2nd Amendment!

  261. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Granny, the President has that power NOW… it is called Martial Law!! Are you really that stupid???

  262. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Cap take up for Chas all you want but he called me a liar because I said a widower could draw on his spouse if the benefit was greater that his own would be. He ranted for days that it wasn’t true because his own father couldn’t do it. I refuse to waste my time digging it all up again. He lied. Wouldn’t admit it. Just as he always does. He is an expert on every subject and knows some famous person in every position. He lies.

  263. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Chas, your 9:41 and earlier posts are being reported. You have been warned.

  264. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Chas I wouldn’t call others stupid. So the prez can seize all of the weapons that belong to private citizens?

  265. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Chas you really are pathetic. Have you no shame?

  266. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    GOOD MAX… YOU THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THOSE POSTS, GO AHEAD AND REPORT THEM!! BUT MAX, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO KEEPS POSTING ANTI-AMERICAN BS HERE… NOT ME!! I KEEP SAYING WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE GOVERNMENT IN EVENT OF NATIONAL CATASTROPHE OR EMERGENCY… YOU ARE THE ONE WHO WILL NOT COOPERATE WITH GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY!! YOU ARE THE ENEMY COMBATANT…

    AND MAX… BTW… YOIU STILL DIDNT POST ON HERE WHAT LIE I POSTED AT 9:17 P.M. WHATS THE MATTER MAX??? CANT FIND IT, EH??

    PSSST!!! THATS CAUSE ITS NOT THERE!!

  267. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    “He lied. Wouldn’t admit it. Just as he always does. He is an expert on every subject and knows some famous person in every position. He lies.”

    You are describing “Regular” to a T.

    “Regular” by the way is also “Max” and “American way” among many others.

    Chas is a good guy. I met him briefly at an anti war rally. He noticed that my son and I were on foot.

    (We had parked away and walked in.)

    Chas offered us a ride.

    And grmie?

    While she IS real, she is just a cranky old crone who makes her living on the work of others. I doubt she has ever turned a tap her whole life.

  268. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Shame??? for what granny??? I am fed up with trying to make nice nice with a bunch of right wing fanatics!! You cant even find ONE LIE to post here on me, CAUSE THERE ARENT ANY!!! YOU OLD WENCH!!

  269. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Cap as you can see Regular is twice the man Chas is. You ragged on Reg most of the day and never got a rise out of him. Look what happened with Chas when he has to justify what he posts. A total meltdown.

    I still say we should have adult discussions.

  270. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    JR – Bluejay – no one has to tell me who you are. I would expect you to defend the indefensible. Still waiting for that hand out?

  271. Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:45 pm | Permalink
    Chas I wouldn’t call others stupid. So the prez can seize all of the weapons that belong to private citizens?
    ==============================

    YES — under martial law… absolutely…

  272. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    From a poster that knows the Crapn well.

    ——————————————–
    writerdog
    Posted March 14, 2007 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    It is good to see some I had only found anger in are being polite and thinking. I actually just remarked earlier I was a bit shocked by Republikan’s milder and thoughtful response to the post I made in the Conservative thread. Just a point of order, as I said I had met up with Captain America before, the first time was on the message board. As soon as I made the statement I am a Republican, he (then Galahad) set upon me. Accusing me of using several different names and just spreading lies. He stopped only after he “Reposted” something he said I had posted. When I noticed that my name was misspelled, I pointed out that if it had been me that I would think I would know how to spell my own name! And if he was going to make up things he thought I had said at least next time spell my name right! Busted!!
    —————————————–

    So writerdog knows the real Crapn, the nic stealer and purveyor of lies against others.

    Nuff said, the dog has shown what the Crapn really is.

  273. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Chas martial law give a prez specific powers. The have broad powers to utilize U.S. military forces to address domestic disturbances. No where does it give them the power to seize private weapons.

    Another unfounded lie?

  274. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    As a Christian minister, you really shouldn’t be using language like this:

    “CAUSE THERE ARENT ANY!!! YOU OLD WENCH!!”

    Seriously, start acting like what you claim to be.

  275. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Uh yeah “Regular”?

    James?

    I KNOW writerdog. Writerdog is a friend of mine.

    TRUST me James. ‘dog don’t want you on his side or anywhere NEAR him.

    And grmie?

    What I want for others is what I have for me.

    People should be able to work for themselves and not be slaves to exploitive old crones like you.

  276. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Chas,

    Really? Should a Christian minister be saying things like this:

    “You want to find it and try to p rove me a liar, then YOU, by God, go find the damn thing!!! B***h”

    Wow, I expect more from you and probably so does the Lord.

    You are not being a very good representative.

  277. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Notice folks how no one can defend the anti-2nd Amendment positions of Clinton and Obama.

    They keep blasting Max though.

    That’s ok, your continued personal attacks on me only serve as evidence that you cannot defend Clinton and Obama.

    Vote for Clinton or Obama and give up 2nd Amendment protection. What other Freedoms will be lost after that, God only knows.

    I rest my case.

  278. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Nathan?

    Would you care for me to do an expose on you?

    The whole bit about “false witness” and such?

  279. ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    On that Reg I just rest. Chas obviously can’t defend his positions and has resorted to cap and exclamation points. What else is new?

    Good Nite.

  280. Nathaniel
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Max,

    The problem is that what you and I see as defending the 2nd Amendment liberals don’t.

    They think that restricting everything involved in guns and ammo to the point that all you can own is a .22 pistol which has to be locked and not assembled, registerd, with government approved and stamped ammo…etc…etc… is “protecting” the 2nd Amendment.

  281. outlander
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    “There is no place in a fanatic’s head where reason can enter.” – Napoleon

  282. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Know thyself there outlander.

  283. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE OF MAY 9, 2007 >>>

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html

  284. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Nathan, they live in the fear of ignorance.

    I didn’t call them stupid. They just have not studied history enough or visited the gun range enough to know any better.

    Some follow the party line right or wrong. And that is a very dangerous path indeed.

    And JR, you WISH I was regular, because you can’t comprehend how you are outnumbered here! Believe it JR, your worst fear has just been realized – the Conservatives have surrounded you!

  285. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Great quote Outlander. Very descriptive of some here.

  286. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Naathan… in answer to your stupidity above — YES, I AM ALLOWED TO EXPRESS MY FEELINGS!!

    AND NO, YOU STILL DO NOT HAVE ANY KIND OF AUTHORITY OVER ME… SO SHUT UP!!

    Granny still cant find a lie to post… So, I guess she will just waddle off to her corner… Told you you couldnt find one, Granny!! LOL

  287. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Sigh……………………

    More guns – bad answer.

    No guns – bad answer, too.

    Once you can accept those two points, then a reasonable discussion can be had, not until.

    Digging in foxholes and tossing grenades at each other isn’t going to get anyone anywhere.

  288. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    You know it’s strange, how the City of New Orleans would go door to door to confiscate guns.

    Yet they couldn’t bother to ensure their town was evacuated before Katrina hit. Those buses were left parked, and unused.

    What’s the priority of the Government of New Orleans? The People? Nope.

    Power.

  289. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    MAX still has not posted the alleged LIE at my 9:17 post… CAUSE THERE ISNT ONE THERE TO FIND!! JUST AS I SAID!!

    And now Nathan wants to bring his religious fanticism out to the Blog yet again!!

    Yet more harassment from Nathan, and his JAYZUS

  290. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    “Great quote Outlander. Very descriptive of some here.”

    On both sides of the argument.

  291. annie_moose
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Geez Charles,
    Why are the wingnuts so scared of you? Your God must be stronger than their god.

  292. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Yeah James,

    I’m surrounded by your puppets.

    For the history of this blog, the left outnumbered the right.

    And then along came James.

    On the dole James.

    (Damn I wish I could remember the lyrics to that song!)

    In any case, along came James and suddenly anywhere at all hours con puppets rise to battle.

    The rantings are the same. And always there is a puppet to attaboy the puppeteer.

  293. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    You people just dont get it… Differences of OPINION are not lies… They are just differences of opinion…. That difference of opinion doesnt make the other person WRONG, OR RIGHT… it makes their opinion different!!

    If you all would just get that through your thick heads, there could maybe be intelligent discussion here…

  294. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Well, Good night; Good luck;
    God bless; whatever you conceive
    God to be!!

    Blessings ALL!!

    Special blessings to Max…

  295. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Gee, Annie I dont know — never thought of it that way before!! :-)

  296. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    JR, I know other conservatives who have joined this blog in the last year.

    Your constant harping on Regular being a multi-nic for all conservatives is not accurate.

    But carry on with your delusions, if that’s what get’s you thru the day, and the night.

    Regular has been sitting back for a year I bet, while being accused of being so many others!

    JR, you are just making Regular’s day! I’m sure he appreciates it more then you know!

    Remember, Capn complained once to the WE, and confirmed – Regular wasn’t nic switching!

  297. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Regular has been sitting back for a year I bet, laughing his tail off, while being accused of being so many others!

  298. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    ksgrm
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 9:59 pm | Permalink
    Chas martial law give a prez specific powers. The have broad powers to utilize U.S. military forces to address domestic disturbances. No where does it give them the power to seize private weapons.

    Another unfounded lie?
    ===============================

    NO Granny…. You havent done your homework… Martial Law displaces ALL Constitutional Rights for the duration of the Martial Law…

  299. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    “Remember, Capn complained once to the WE, and confirmed – Regular wasn’t nic switching!”

    JM, Kansas, Eagle Beak, Republikhan, Blog Monitor, Republican, McCluer, Regular.

    Those are just a few.

  300. annie_moose
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Think about it Chas. it seems like your God just isn’t old testament enough for them. A sign of weakness in wingnut world.Which is why they attack. Don’t let me keep you up. Good night.

  301. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Nice gun collection Capn.

    Some would say you have an arsenal.

    So why do you not fear what Obama or Clinton will do with your collection, given so many anti-gun bills pending in this current Congress?

    With a few more Democrat Senators and Clinton or Obama as President, they can pass anything.

  302. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Clark — Registration/Sign-in should slow that crap down quite a bit…

  303. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    It’s real simple “Max”.

    I know Hank and Nathan.

    There was some very real confusion as to whether they were separate people early on.

    I have NOT met grmie. But as much as I despise the Price’s, I trust them when they say they met grmie.

    And it WAS “Regular” who wanted to make nics irrelevant.

    He succeeded. With con nics anyway.

    I HAVE volunteered. We can clear this up easy.

    All “Regular” has to do is call a meetup and have you and “American way” and some of the other “posters” there.

  304. blogmonitor
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Summary of today’s posts to save readers time:

    HLP introduces himself as the new (old) Hank.

    Discussion of Hanks photo in newspaper.

    Sol provides more barf on Iraq and Bush.

    Beber, Door King admonishes us on casting stones and later language. Feeble attempt.

    BlueJay (JR) continues to identify posters

    FarmGirl on energy usual trash.

    WriterDog chimes in on proper toilet ethics.

    Grateful Dave (?) arrives with a test and trial post. Wet noodle effect.

    CF2K wishes himself a happy bday.
    Hours spent by others acknowledging same.

    Capn American arrives noonish and begins daily rant regular on Regular attack.

    Good discussion from many on Obama and Hillary drinks for awhile.

    American Way chimes in with his usual MY MONEY posts. Today dedicated to Tax April 15th day.
    Wet noodle response.

    FarmGirl takes four posts to give us a link to a silly utube video.

    Nathan arrives and challenges libs on 2nd amendment and says hi to dad.

    Farmgirl calls Obama a bigot. Minor discussion.

    Sol and Chas go rounds from 1 PM to 4ish PM. No opinion. No value added. Wasted space.

    Amway (American Way) tries to get through to Chas with zero success.

    Parkay surprise abortion ho-hum post.

    CapnAmerica at 5 PM continues his all day Regular dig (usual ho-hum)

    THe Phantom arrives and posts on China. Another wet noodle.

    Farmgirl gets her daily Jesus Wept comment (ho-hum)

    Political Mama continues to show her computer savy.

    BlueJay joines the attack at 5ish double and triple team on Regular

    Herbert the Tird (I mean third) chimes in with normal nothing post.

    American Way again on his tax position. CapnAmerican slams as usual.

    Regular eggs them all on. No opinions. Seems to enjoy the attention.

    Apophs joins Chas, Capn, and BlueJay attacking Regular as regularly they do.

    Max arrives late to square them away on 2nd Amendment. All libs attack, flame, and put downs as usual.

    That’s all folks.

  305. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Blog Monitor.

    It will save much time to just read your summary. Can you do this every day? I hear the WE Blog raised your pay to $6/hour now so you can work harder.

  306. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    6 dollars an hour? Well! The Eagle only offered me 5.50 an hour when I applied for job. :)

  307. blogmonitor
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    You’re welcome Max. My blogometer was a little low today on actual opinions and discussion on those few who did present them. It was an average day of attacks and flames. Mostly by the usuals.

  308. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Forgot about tax day, or tried to. I got my big refund a month ago. Can’t wait till I get my second refund in May.

    That Democrat Congress sure knows how to buy votes! I wonder how they paid for that tax cut?

    If tax cuts are good for boosting the economy, I wonder why the Democrats don’t make the tax cuts permanent? They must not care about the economy every year.

  309. annie_moose
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Max controlling guns is about as effective as the war on drugs or stopping the flow of porn.For most part the laws are useless feel good legislation for the bills sponsor.

  310. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Blogmonitor = Regular

  311. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Only the law-abiding majority is affected by gun control Annie. That would include me.

    Those who would use guns for lawful means, including self-defense ARE harmed by gun-control.

    I knew a couple who lived through the LA riots. They had 2 guns, kept them loaded and ready as rioters marched in their neighborhood for several days. The 15-day waiting period in CA prevented many law-abiding citizens who did not own guns, from buying one legally to use for self-defense.

    Just one example.

  312. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    #
    CapnAmerica
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Blogmonitor = Regular
    ——————
    Buzz!!!
    wrong again.

  313. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    “Blogmonitor = Regular”

    Yup

    AND “Max”

    Told ya.

  314. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t pay to be bitter, running a campaign based on hate and dividing America into races and classes.

    http://www.newsday.com/news/local/politics/ny-uscamp0416,0,5168270.story

    PITTSBURGH – The “bitter” bounce Hillary Rodham Clinton was counting on to jump-start her flagging presidential campaign hasn’t yet materialized, at least according to polls released Tuesday — possibly dashing her hopes for blow-out wins in key states.

    A Quinnipiac University poll gave Clinton a 50 percent to 44 percent edge over Barack Obama — the same margin as a week ago — and pollsters said there was no appreciable dip for Obama after his comments about blue-collar workers surfaced Friday.

  315. BlueJay
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Trust the BlueJay.

    BlueJay is good BlueJay is wise.

  316. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    CapnJR, just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean Regular isn’t out to get you.

  317. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    If Blog monitor writes many more summaries like that one, he wont get paid at all!!! That was terrible!!

  318. Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Max–

    I have no worries that Clinton or Obama will “take away my guns.”

    Unlike you, I worry about real problems — like the fact that we spend 16 percent of GDP on health care and don’t live as long as Cubans. Taiwan by contrast spends 6 percent of GDP with a two percent administrative cost and everyone is covered. We spend 18 percent on administrative overhead, and we don’t even cover everybody.

    The never-ending war in Iraq paid for by borrowing from China. The doubling of the national debt under Worst. President. Ever. The absolutely zero progress we’ve made on clean, green energy under Worst. President. Ever.

    These are real problems, Max. Not the imaginary problems of Social Security 100 years from now or an army of liberals coming to take away my guns that you people seem to worry about.

  319. annie_moose
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Max,

    I’m surprised Martha Stewart hasn’t had a show on this.

    http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/introduction.shtml

  320. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    It’s amusing isn’t it Max?

  321. blogmonitor
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Words of wisdom to CapnAmerica, Chas, and Bluejay.

    You again attack the poster and as usual have no opinion on the content of the posts.

    Please try to show some self control and be mature in your postings. Do not respond to every perceived flame, and you will help keep the trolls and flamers to a minimum.

    Tomorrow’s challenge is for you: Post opinions and not about other posters. Refrain from attacking others. Use the ultimate skill at posting when you disagree with the content of a post – without flaming the originator. Help me win my bet that I believe you are all mature enough to do so.

  322. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Max — James couldnt get anybody who lived outside of his house… sort of saad, really…

  323. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if McCain is rising in the polls?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16obama.html?hp

    The battle between Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama over whether Mr. Obama belittled voters in small towns appears to have hardened the views of both candidates’ supporters and stirred anxiety among many Democrats about the party’s prospects in the fall.

  324. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Regular, you must laugh your a$$ off how many times every day?

  325. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    BTW, Chas may have made an error about who gets what SS benefits. I don’t know — the conversation frankly bored me and I didn’t pay attention.

    But I’ll tell you this: Chas. didn’t say he was quitting the blog forever not once but twice and then continued to blog. Chas. never said he was married and then later said he was never married. Chas never claimed he fought in Vietnam and then later claimed he was “too young” to fight in Vietnam. Chas never claimed he was a black man. He never claimed he wasn’t JM when he was JM. He never said that because of liberals, the tires on his car got slashed when anyone driving by his house on a busy public street could see that they hadn’t been slashed.

    Why you CONs stick up for the POS liar I don’t know. But then again, you stick up for the POS liar who’s running our beloved country and running it into the ground no less.

    So, I guess you have to willfully ignore lies to be a CON.

  326. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    You’re right Crapn, I was too busy avoiding snipers in Bosnia with her Royal Thighness to be in Vietnam.

    No wait, I was the goalie on the non-existent soccer team that bullied the Hillster.

    No, that can’t be right – Oh I got it now. I was Barry Jr. and I was for Reverend Wright before I was “agin’ him.

    (chortles)

  327. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Annie, I saw that link earlier today I think. Very interesting.

    I’d be afraid to test fire something I made from scratch! Looked interesting though.

  328. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a very cool new Glock!

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=D99NHb6B03s

    FMG9 Flashlight/Gun convertable.

  329. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    CapnAmerica
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 10:58 pm | Permalink
    Max–

    I have no worries that Clinton or Obama will “take away my guns.”

    Unlike you, I worry about real problems
    =================================================

    Defending Freedom and our eroding Constitutional Rights is the #1 Problem. Without Freedom, who cares about the economy, social security, or anything else.

    I hear China has a booming economy now. Wonder how nice it is to live without Freedom?

  330. blogmonitor
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    The ultimate skill in persuasive speech is the ability to tell an opponent to go to hell, and making sure they truly do enjoy the trip.

    Believe it or not, bloggers can disagree without flaming the originator. But it takes skill.

  331. StevenEDavis
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    The liar Max, has this to say from Iowa:

    Max Grobnik
    Des Moines, IA Reply »
    |Report Abuse |Judge it! |#7 Apr 1, 2007
    Well, Obama:

    Favors banning 1/2 the guns sold today.
    Favors more gun laws restricting gun sales.
    Favors free health care and raising all our taxes.
    Even favors Welfare, Medicaid, and Social Security for illegal immigrants.
    Favors an amnesty program for illegal immigrants.
    Went to both Muslim and Catholic schools and now attends the United Church of Christ?

    MaX, you are one serious liar. Prove, what you assert here. We know you can’t, so go f*ck yourself. The closest you will get to any relief from you stupidity. Night. Asshole…

  332. HerbertWestIII
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Any updates on the “Wild West Theme ParK”???? Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com

  333. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Funny you should mention that, Max.

    Because I lived in China for a year.

    Their press is nothing but a shill for the gov’t, just like here.

    They can’t confront leaders with their complaints, just like here.

    They can be thrown into prison without trial, just like here.

    If they protest a military installation, they’ll get thrown into jail, just like if we protest at the terrorist training camp called School of the Americas our gov’t runs.

    The difference is that China doesn’t go halfway around the world to overthrow a soverign nation based on a pack of lies.

    Other than that, I didn’t notice that I had less “freedom” in China.

  334. Political_mama
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    I have seriously got someone on another board stating that killing or preventing child predators from breeding is genocide.

    Uh. Mommy my head hurts.

  335. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Max, if you were truly FREE now, you wouldnt be chained to your bloody guns!! Guns wont make you free…. Freedom has roots that a barrell of a gun, and the best ammo cannot tbegin o buy!! When you learn that, you MIGHT be Free, Max!!

    “That’s ok, your continued personal attacks on me only serve as evidence that you cannot defend Clinton and Obama.” [MAX]

    That has got to be a nearly textbook example of a severe type of mental illness… It could be either bi-polar disorder, or borderline pesonality disorder… Either one of them, the patient has the delusional notion that a personal attack on their thought processes only proves the attacker has the real illness LOL Thats why they call it mental illness!!

  336. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Nite folks!!

  337. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    P-Mama — Sounds like you found Door King!!

  338. Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Got to get some sleep. Man was not made to fly American Airlines, during inspection time!!

  339. Regular
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    Poor Chas must really be bored, bringing back SquarePeg.

    Now he’s an Airline Pilot and not a wealthy businessman?

    (chortles)

  340. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Where on earth do you find Airline Pilot in anything I said? You need some sleep, or more likely pills, you old fool!! And dont even start on your stupid, idiotic Chas routine! You sir, are quite an idiot!!

  341. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Stevie, go to Des Moines, IA.

    But you won’t find me there.

    Nice try bud. If you do knock on my door, you will make my day!

    Good night.

  342. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    And a blithering idiot to boot! Liar!

  343. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Oh, Obama’s gun positions are very nicely summarized at:

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

    Banning Semi-Automatic guns, will ban more then 1/2 the guns in America. So Obama is in favor of banning 1/2 the guns in America.

    Good nite all!!!!

    :)

  344. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    SquarePeg
    Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:41 pm | Permalink
    Max, if you were truly FREE now, you wouldnt be chained to your bloody guns!! Guns wont make you free…. Freedom has roots that a barrell of a gun, and the best ammo cannot tbegin o buy!! When you learn that, you MIGHT be Free, Max!!

    “That’s ok, your continued personal attacks on me only serve as evidence that you cannot defend Clinton and Obama.” [MAX]
    =================================================

    Hmmmm…..

    I wonder who this is!

  345. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Max our corporate computer analysts put you some where near either Independence… or Ottumwa… You arent brave enough to post your semi-literate swill in Des Moines!

  346. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    But your loccation is rather irrelevant. It’s not Who you are. It’s What you are!

  347. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Who is “our”?

    You and Stevie can both try to track me down. Make my day twice!

    Your threats do nothing to me, but make me post more!

  348. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Why would you say threats Grobnik?? Nobody has threatened you. If you were being threatened by my company, believe me, you would know it. So, relax, eh??

  349. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    Notice folks how no one can defend the anti-2nd Amendment positions of Clinton and Obama.

    They keep blasting Max though.

    That’s ok, your continued personal attacks on me only serve as evidence that you cannot defend Clinton and Obama.

    Vote for Clinton or Obama and give up 2nd Amendment protection. What other Freedoms will be lost after that, God only knows.

  350. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Oh, and note once again, in risk of being redundent in the face of redundent personal attacks:

    The Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate. Clinton/Obama do NOT support the 2nd Amendment.

    They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.

    Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.

    http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/

    No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away the Clinton/Obama record – unless they LIE!

  351. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    BTW, you should really try to read better, Grobnik. I just posted that your location is totally irrelevant. So, nobody that I know of is tracking you. But you do have the interest of some well placed folks in DC!

  352. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Oh, and notice the limited uses Clinton sees for guns. Sporting, collecting, hunting.

    Clinton has no idea what the 2nd Amendment is all about. And it’s not about hunting!

    In Britain, guns are just for sporting and hunting – so they are locked up at your local gun sporting/hunting club. You are not allowed to take your own gun home.

    That’s the purpose for guns – according to Heelary.

    ————————————————-

    http://www.campaignsandelections.com/stories/?StoryID=4DF76911-1422-17E0-F81A664CDF017C03

    And Clinton brought up the flap again at a voter forum in Pittsburgh Monday. “[Obama] said that they cling to religion and guns and dislike people who are different from them. Well, I don’t believe that. I believe that people don’t cling to religion, they value their faith. You don’t cling to guns, you enjoy hunting or collecting or sport shooting,” Clinton said.

  353. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Square Peg/Chas,

    Your location is irrelevent too.

  354. Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Grobnik, I dont give a damn how many guns you have. But, if I was you I sure the hell wouldnt be screaming about your macho attitude like you have a habit of doing on this Blog.

    Oh, and If you would study one of your kids’ government books, you would find that a President cant introduce any amendments that could stop your crazy hang ups about that 2nd Amendment! If you knew as much as you think you know, Grobnik, you would know the process required to do away with the 2nd Amendment, and that NO president could do that on their own, OR with the aid of Congress. Old Man Hesston must not have done his teaching job right, or you would know that Grobnik, and you would also know that all of your damn flaming about Clinton and Obama on this Blog is total nonsense!

    Do you really think that anybody who reads this Blog is fooled by your kind of delusional Bull Shit?? Again, go read one of your kids’ government books, or maybe try reading the entire Constitution — There is a whole lot more to it than just one Amendment!

  355. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    The Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate. Clinton/Obama do NOT support the 2nd Amendment.

    They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.

  356. libdave
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    Oh no! The scary democrats are going to take our guns. Good grief, get real.

  357. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Look Grobnik, I am not Chas. You might aas well tell that to your other demented buddies here too. Ask the Editors. My Corporate Board is sick and tired of you idiots here trying to connect me with some preacher. My name is Southar Park. I was given clearance to post my name on this Blog. Now I am only warning you one time. Stop calling me Chas. Get it?

  358. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Grobnik, you arent worth attacking! You are all but worthless! Do you think you can grasp that teeny tiny little fact? Worthless, Grobnik!

  359. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    This is way cool.

    Cause of global warming too:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7348064.stm

    Eruption rips off comet tail

  360. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    Max, you are more pathetic than I thought! And you and your buddies complain about Blue Jay for saying Regular is more than one person??

    You are worse than pathetic. You are SICK Max!!

  361. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    BTW, Max, you SSTILL have not posted where I lied at the 9:17 p.m. post!! And that is simply because THERE IS NO LIE AT THE 9:17 POST!!! THAT WOULD MAKE MAX THE TWO BIT LIAR!!!

  362. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    “MaxGrobnik” –

    Someone once defined a “fanatic” as “Some who won’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.”

    Okay. We know. You’ve got a thing for guns. If you really think Hillary or Barack are in this race simply so they can storm “MaxGrobnik’s” front porch and cart away his weapons, you’re not worthy of discussion gun or any policy like a grown-up.

    I suspect it’s a form of autism. Like what they used to call “Idiot Savants,” you seem to have crammed every ounce of your brain cells into one tiny niche: the NRA’s talking points.

  363. MaxGrobnik
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.

  364. Regular
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    #
    SquarePeg
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Look Grobnik, I am not Chas. You might aas well tell that to your other demented buddies here too. Ask the Editors. My Corporate Board is sick and tired of you idiots here trying to connect me with some preacher. My name is Southar Park. I was given clearance to post my name on this Blog. Now I am only warning you one time. Stop calling me Chas. Get it?
    ————————————

    I get it Chas.

    Southar Park

    South Park

    (chortles)

  365. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    M H it’s much worse than autism… This is a full blown mental illness… and it’s heavily armed!! And dangerous!!

  366. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    All due respect, “Chas” –

    And you’re my WE Blog pal & all that…

    The ALL CAP shouting is beneath you.

    I’ve been attacked in all sorts of ways by the wingnuts but you’ll notice I’ve never been involved in a protacted flame war. MonkeyHawk don’t do that.

    Anyone who’s ever paid attention to anything knows “Regular” is a sad, pathetic excuse for a human being. More often than not, he’s reduced to name-calling like a third-grader: “CRapn America?” “Monkey-hock?”

    Ha ha ha ha ha. How clever he must feel.

    He’s the fat kid on the elementary school playground. The only way people will play with him is if he goads others into fighting him. Then he goes crying and whining to teacher.

    And those were the best years of “Regular’s” life

  367. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    M H I have explained the CAPS problem before, perhaps when you havent been around… I had a lite stroke 4 yrs ago, and many times, if I dont hit the CCAPS key, I have a problem hitting keys on the left side of my keyboard… Sorry for the inconvenience… its a nuisance to me too!!

  368. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    “MaxGrobnik” (who I’m beginning to picture as a little kid who’s not allowed to sit in a corner without wearing a helmet) says –

    “They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.”

    First off, “MaxGrobnik,” you’re speaking in “Bob Dole Third Person.” Just a bit creepy.

    “…but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.”

    What’s to defend?

  369. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    AAAMEN M H

  370. Posted April 16, 2008 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Hey, MH: I’ve taken a shot or two at you when I thought appropriate, but thanks for being an adult.

    All too rare these days.

  371. Posted April 16, 2008 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    I think Max’s keepers called him back in for the night :-D

  372. Monkeyhawk
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Sorry, “Chas” –

    I guess I missed the stroke thing.

    The brain is somethin’, ain’t it?

    Have you seen those shows about stroke-survivors whose brains work like the defevil to restore function in a lobe that’s not designed for it?

    My brother-in-law has a disease similar to — but altogether differenrt from — Alzheimer’s. They think the cause is the same, but different syanapses (or whatever) in the brain are affected.

    So he periodically makes what appears to be progress. One day he’s a 190-pound toddler and another day he’s good ol’ John again.

    Like Emo Phillips noted, “The brain is thought to be the most important organ in the human body. But who’s telling us that?”

  373. Posted April 16, 2008 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    Mostly, its just frustrating for me… cant find keys on the piano with the left hand like i should… cant pick guitar so good either… took away most of my music!! DAMN!!

  374. StevenEDavis
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    MH,

    Max is an old man who can’t get it up anymore and that is why he’s so obsessed with guns. It’s a phallic thing. Please don’t belittle the poor old guy. He’s our pet around here. We enjoy his impotent threats to shoot people. He is a barrel of laughs. :)

  375. blogmonitor
    Posted April 16, 2008 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    Upon review, all posts IRT Max’s posted opinion, confirm his evaluation of the other posters.

    “They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.”

    All subsequent posts this evening were in fact flaming a poster: MaxGrobnik

    No content whatsoever.

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