Today in the paper, maybe, there is an article on breeder license registration. On December 21st last year the city council without debate or public input caved to Environmental services and amended the requirements for dog breeder licenses in Wichita.
They attached the amendment to a housing bill. When I contacted the city council members via email most did not bother to reply and the ones that did couldn’t answer basic questions about the new requirements for breeder licenses.
The new requirements are vague and oppressive. They basically allow interpretation and enforcement by an Environmental Services department that is out of control.
For the purposes of full disclosure, HLP=Hank. It seems I registered a long time ago as Hank. I forgot my password/email and couldn’t get logged in as Hank anymore.
I have about a half dozen favorite passwords and four different emails that I could have used. Oh well, I’m now HLP.
With little fanfare, a small number of prominent academic scientists have made a decision that was until recently all but unheard of. They decided to stop accepting payments from food, drug and medical device companies.
No longer will they be paid for speaking at meetings or for sitting on advisory boards. They may still work with companies. It is important, they say, for knowledgeable scientists to help companies draw up and interpret studies. But the work will be pro bono.
The scientists say their decisions were private and made with mixed emotions. In at least one case, the choice resulted in significant financial sacrifice. While the investigators say they do not want to appear superior to their colleagues, they also express relief. At last, they say, when they offer a heartfelt and scientifically reasoned opinion, no one will silently put an asterisk next to their name.
They are part of a group responding to accusations of ethical conflicts inherent in these arrangements, and their decisions repudiate decades of industry influence, says Dr. Jerome P. Kassirer, a professor at the Tufts School of Medicine, who has written a book on conflicts of interest.
Five years ago, “nobody paid any attention to taking money from industry,” he said, adding: “They just took it. In some instances, I think people thought they were suckers if they didn’t.”
No . . . trying to stir something up? No . . . couldn’t be. Why, the republicans would never do that . . . (sarcasm off)
Associated Press director William Dean Singleton, who serves as the publisher of Denver Post, the Salt Lake Tribune and the Detroit News and is one of about twenty newspaper owners that run the wire service, asked Sen. Barack Obama about shifting troops into Afghanistan to fight al Qaeda leader “Obama bin Laden.”
“Can you imagine shifting a substantial number of Afghanistan — a substantial number to Afghanistan where the Taliban has been gaining strength and Obama Bin Laden is still at large?” Singleton queried.
Dang, Hank, I always knew you were a lawbreaker. Why, it’s people like you who support dog babies that are just ruining this world! Why that schnauzer is obviously a foreign dog. Do you have immigration papers on her? You paying her for her motherhood? I’ll bet your skipping the ss tax as well on her:-)
Iraq Fighting Worsens with Killing of Top Sadr Aide
Iraq’s sectarian conflict has escalated with the killing of a top aide to Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The aide, Riyadh al-Nouri, was killed Friday in Najaf. No group has claimed responsibility. Al-Nouri was Sadr’s top negotiator with the Iraqi government and also his brother-in-law. Hundreds of Sadr followers crowded Najaf’s cemetery on Saturday, blaming the US for al-Nouri’s death.
Meanwhile, US and Iraqi forces continue their attacks on Shiite fighters in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City. Witnesses say a series of clashes this weekend marked the heaviest fighting since the crackdown began late last month. In Baghdad Saturday, hundreds of demonstrators turned out in Baghdad to protest the US occupation. Sheikh Abu Talib al-Amin of the Iraqi Farmers Organization condemned ongoing attacks on Iraqi civilians.
Sheikh Abu Talib al-Amin: “The Iraqi people were expecting good things and reformation when the US forces invaded Iraq. We thought that they would solve all the troubles that we suffered from. Now, we can see different things. When they impose a blockade on an area, killing its people, that means that they are not going to give a chance to oppressed people to express their opinions.”
The Bush administration has escalated its rhetoric against Iran. This weekend senior US officials told the Washington Post that Iran now poses the primary threat to Iraq. The officials said Iran has increased its support for Shia militias battling US and Iraqi troops. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has previously ridiculed US allegations of Iranian interference in Iraq, saying it’s the US that invaded and continues to occupy the country.
Bush Admits Knowledge of White House Meetings on Interrogation Techniques
President Bush has confirmed he was aware top administration officials personally discussed and approved how top suspects in the so-called war on terror would be interrogated by the CIA. Last week, ABC News revealed a Principals Committee on the National Security Council agreed on controversial interrogation techniques, including physical assault, sleep deprivation and waterboarding. The officials involved included Vice President Cheney, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell. In an interview with ABC News Friday, Bush said he had approved the meetings but did not take part. He said, “We started to connect the dots, in order to protect the American people. And yes, I’m aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved.” In a separate interview, Powell said he could not remember the details of the meetings. The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to appoint an independent prosecutor. ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said, “It is a very sad day when the President of the United States subverts the Constitution, the rule of law and American values of justice.”
Group: US Military Prisoners Sent to Unfair Trials in Afghanistan
A leading human rights group has issued new allegations over the plight of US military prisoners in Afghanistan. Human Rights First says dozens of prisoners transferred from US military to the Afghan government have been subjected to unfair trials based almost entirely on allegations from US officials. The prisoners’ attorneys have been unable to call witnesses or conduct cross-examinations. The trials have lasted between thirty minutes to one hour, resulting in sentences ranging from three to twenty years.
New figures show congressional lobbying reached a new high last year. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, corporations, industries and other interests spent a record $2.79 billion last year. It was an eight percent rise over 2006, amounting to an average of $17 million for every day of Congress. The drug industry saw the highest rise, increasing its lobbying spending by 25 percent. Center for Responsive Politics executive director Sheila Krumholz said, “At a time when our economy is contracting, Washington’s lobbying industry has been expanding. Lobbying seems to be a recession-proof industry.”
Admin Rejects Congressional Challenge to Satellite Surveillance
The Bush administration is rebuffing a congressional challenge to the Department of Homeland Security’s new satellite surveillance system. Last week, Democrats threatened to shut down the program unless privacy concerns could be addressed. The satellite program is designed to provide federal, state and local officials with extensive access to spy satellite imagery to assist with emergency response and other domestic security needs. But critics say the Bush administration hasn’t created legal safeguards to ensure that the program won’t be used for domestic spying. In a letter to lawmakers, Chertoff said the system poses no civil liberties concerns and will be slowly activated in the coming weeks.
“Kansans for Affordable Energy, which has received funding from Sunflower and the world’s largest private coal company, Peabody Energy, spent $11,000 last month on “communications,” including letters and media spots.”
When I was a child my family would travel
Down to western kentucky where my parents were born
And there’s a backwards old town that’s often remembered
So many times that my memories are worn.
Chorus:
And daddy won’t you take me back to muhlenberg county
Down by the green river where paradise lay
Well, I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking
Mister peabody’s coal train has hauled it away
Well, sometimes we’d travel right down the green river
To the abandoned old prison down by adrie hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we’d shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill.
Repeat chorus:
Then the coal company came with the world’s largest shovel
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.
Repeat chorus:
When I die let my ashes float down the green river
Let my soul roll on up to the rochester dam
I’ll be halfway to heaven with paradise waitin’
Just five miles away from wherever I am.
Sol you left a lot of meat to chew on, but as to the spy satellite, in public you have no inherent right to privacy. On the street or in a structure that is public access, it maybe aggravating but not illegal.
I think “Paradise” was recorded big time by the late Johnny Cash… Peabody Coal Co. is still in existence… They float many barges up and down the Mississippi River…
Just a quick word about John Prine: His work is tremendous — as extensive as Dylan’s and maybe more extensive, as Dylan, as great as he is, wrote so many dogs.
Former President Jimmy Carter has announced plans to go ahead with his plans to meet with the top leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, in Damascus despite protests from the Israeli government. Carter says he wants to get Hamas to agree to a peaceful resolution of differences, both with the Israelis and the rival Palestinian faction Fatah. Carter is meeting with Palestinian officials today in the West Bank, but Israel has refused to allow him to enter Gaza.
Jimmy Carter: “Well, I haven’t been able to get permission to go into Gaza. I would like to. I asked for permission, but I was turned down. But maybe we can find a way to circumvent that. I was in Sderot yesterday, and I don’t approve of rockets being fired, you know, that might very well hit civilians, and I don’t approve of the killing of innocent people in Gaza either by Israeli bombs and missiles. So that’s what, you know, the Carter Center is—our major purpose is to bring peace to people who are in conflict.”
Israel’s Shin Bet security service has also refused to offer security for Carter’s visit to the occupied West Bank, as is customary during such visits by former US presidents.
And Four American documentary filmmakers and a Nigerian citizen have been arrested by the Nigerian military in the Niger Delta. The Seattle-based crew has been detained since Saturday. The film crew was finishing work on the documentary Sweet Crude. Arrested were director Sandy Cioffi and crew members Tammi Sims, Cliff Worsham and Sean Porter, as well as Joel Bisina, founder of the Niger Delta Professionals for Development. Sandy Cioffi appeared on Democracy Now! in 2006 to discuss the situation in the Niger Delta and the role women played in protesting multinational oil corporations.
Sandy Cioffi: “And those women were demanding fairly basic things, like jobs, some remediation of the environment, water, electricity, healthcare, basic infrastructure that you would expect, that if you have $38 billion annually of revenue going to your government, that you would have, and they have none of those things. In fact, they have quite the opposite. They have their livelihood taken away from them.”
The Committee to Protect Journalists has called on Nigeria to immediately release Sandy Cioffi and the four other members of her crew and to end what it described as a pattern of censorship of the conflict over oil in the region.
” but Israel has refused to allow him to enter Gaza.”
So much for US and Israeli claims that the Palestiians are allowed to rule Gaza. If there were the case it would be up to the Palestinians who they allow to visit there.
In a true Bi-partisan effort, “The only real thing that can be pointed to as the main difference between Hillary Clinton and John Mc Cain being President. Would be whether the toilet seat is up or down in the restroom!”.
Attempting to explain the electoral psychology of blue-collar Pennsylvanians to the limousine liberals in attendance, Obama noted that in “these small towns… the jobs have been gone for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them”–even though “the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate.” So far, so good–that’s an accurate enough analysis of broken political promises and working-class decline. But then Obama went a step further. “It’s not surprising then they get bitter,” he said. “They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Well, in commemoration of my 40th birthday, which is TODAY, thank you all very much, I declare a unilateral moratorium (only applying to me) on acrimonious posts. Call it Blog Aggressor Amnesty Day, if you need to call it something. The pressing needs of debate and argument can wait until tomorrow.
My cup of happiness runneth over. The wind is blowing (hard, actually), the sun is shining, and I have a relatively light workload. Hell, for the next twelve hours, I may even forgo sarcasm.
I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.
I personally took no offense to what the man said.
I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear. Not unheard of in politics. The problem is those who blindly believe what she says.
Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’
Or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’.
* Were you lying when you said you served in the Vietnam War (actually Thailand) or were you lying when you said you were too young to serve in the Vietnam War?
* Were you lying when you said you were married or were you lying when you said you had never been married?
Now that you claim that you have stopped lying, it would be good to confess your past lying.
That might begin to convince the readers that you’ve really changed. Admitting wrong-doing in the past is the only way to start to believably atone for it.
Instead, however, you just name-call and lash out at others for pointing out the obvious: you lie.
Monday, April 14, 2008
Obama would ask his AG to “immediately review” potential of crimes in Bush White House
Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to “immediately review the information that’s already there” and determine if an inquiry is warranted — but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as “a partisan witch hunt.” However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because “nobody is above the law.”
The question was inspired by a recent report by ABC News, confirmed by the Associated Press, that high-level officials including Vice President Dick Cheney and former Cabinet secretaries Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld, among others, met in the White House and discussed the use of waterboarding and other torture techniques on terrorism suspects.
“I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.”
And the only so-called gaffe was the word “cling.” Had he said “they embrace relgion or guns or fear or hate for strangers…” there’d've been no problem. “Cling” conjures up images of fear.
“I personally took no offense to what the man said.
“I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear. Not unheard of in politics. The problem is those who blindly believe what she says.”
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hillary Clinton has all the qualities for remaining a superb United States Senator. We’ve seen her like before. Lyndon Johnson was a helluva Senator, but what works in the cloakrooms and committee hearings in Congress requires an altogether different skill set that what works in the Oval Office.
Is she capable of being a good POTUS? Yeah, probably. But she falls far short of the mark, in my opinion, with the requirements of a presidential candidate.
She has a tin ear for politics. She’s out there shootin’ ducks and doin’ shots at a redneck bar… but insists on Crown Royal?! You don’t drink Crown Royal boilermakers, Hil. Sheesh.
The poster previously known as “J R” (sorry, guy, I haven’t figured out all the new nics yet) approves of the Clintons’ gutter-fighting style, believing the Democratic Party’s candidate will have to be willing to throw an elbow and pull a knife against the Republic Party. He has an argument.
But Obama is handling the Hillary onslaught with strength and grace… and she’s not gonna win enough delegates to change his inevitable nomination and victory. He is, quite simply, the better candidate against Clinton or McSame.
Another IRS deadline date is upon us! The final day to rob from the rich to give to the poor! The final day to rob from us all to give to the war! The final day to rob from us all to give to corporate welfare, farmer welfare, foreign aid, Unearned Income Credits, and greedy pork barrel earmarks for all!! (Did I make this generic enough to please libs and cons alike?)
Tax Freedom Day will be April 23rd, 2008. America will work three days less to pay taxes in 2008 than in 2007; Stimulus Rebates push day of celebration up. For Kansans, our state Tax Freedom Day is April 18th, making us 26th in the nation.
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
But bring lot’s of tax money!!!!!!!!
Bring on the National Sales Tax (Consumption Tax), and disband the IRS forever!!!!!!!!!
Least we forget our anger at the complicated forms and paperwork should not be directed at the IRS but at the United States Congress instead. They make the fiscal policy. The IRS is just the instrument which carries it out. God bless em one and all.
I still have trouble playing video right now, but I think this is the link. I dont know if it is the WHOLE link to the “shot and beer” thing.
The truth is out there….
And I also resent obama making fun of her as “annie oakley”. It’s an insult to all the women who really do shoot and/or hunt. I’m sure she doesnt spend every weekend at the trap range or duck blind, but then… She didnt say she did, now did she?
Nope. That’s spin. The obama supporters now adopt the rhetoric of the wingnuts who smeared Kerry when he went duck hunting. They HOWLED back then, and now? They do the same to Hillary. I dont think she claimed to be Harold Ensley.
But keep believing these comments by obama are no big deal. Keep thinking the country is as in love with obama as you are.
You can get him nominated. Let’s see ya get him elected.
So p.m., you were the one from Salina who hit the old Hazink site 10 times a day for months and went through every old photo? What were you looking for bitch? Like I said before, there are people on these blogs who seriously mean to harm others, and you are probably one of them. However, I’ll give you the benny of a doubt, and just assume were obsessed with me chops.
I am an old hippy, except hippies never get old; we just age. We were right, and still are; we’ll be playing music for three weeks beginning this May 22 at the Kerrville Music Festival. Anyone want a ride?
I really dont remember Captain, but I think it was the poster formerly known as SOB, or golfnutz or tippy. I dont think it was JM, but I think he was posting as Khan at that time, and it could have been Khan.
I dont really care. Tippy was threatening to out me, posted my initials, claimed to know things that were NOT true, made vague threats, so I outed myself by name to take that nonsense away. Like I was afraid of it. That’s when the whole hee haw gang googled me and posted links.
I dont have anything to hide, but I agree that the blog has gotten nasty and dangerous ever since tippy, golfnutz, and JM arrived. And I think they all arrived at the same time.
If I had to do it all over again, I wouldnt have posted so much, but… whatever.
It’s a damn blog, and not even a good one at that! I know a lot of folks in Topeka used to read here. And they dont anymore. Boring and childish for the most part.
“I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear.”
Bill Clinton=Hillary Clinton=Liars
“And I also resent obama making fun of her as “annie oakley”. It’s an insult to all the women who really do”
Obama’s comments were not directed at any other females use of firearms. Obama was simply reminding voters of Hillary’s true nature concerning gun control and her previous position on the same. Obama wasn’t trying to offend women shooters - he was reminding ALL gun owners that Hillary again is wishy-washy on her convictions.
“that Hillary again is wishy-washy on her convictions”
Only on the campaign trail. Once elected, all bets are off. Her string of lies should outline that.
I’m no supporter of Obama. Hell I don’t support any of the top three of the four remaining candidates. Hillary lies. McCain wants to nuke Iran. Obama is an unknown and scares the hell out of me. He does handle himself politically better than Hillary or McCain, but that alone doesn’t win my vote.
Well, as an actual woman who actually hunts, thanks for telling me how I should feel, and how I should interpret obama’s comments.
typical male. Thinks I couldnt POSSIBLY know what to think or feel on my own without correction or input.
Unless YOU are a woman who hunts? You have no right to tell me how to interpret those remarks.
I hate being patronized, and I also hate it when folks talk down to me about my support for Hillary being just “sista hood” or having my gay dander up about obigot.
Patronizing is as patronizing does.
Oh, and btw? As a woman who hunts, I’m not afraid of any boogy man taking away my guns. And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.
RAMALLAH, West Bank — Jimmy Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank on a Mideast visit that will culminate in a meeting with the terror group’s exiled leader in Syria later this week.
Interesting editorial on NAFTA and how democrats are “users” when it comes to bashing a program which has had mixed results - many positive:
“Many Americans — those in the middle and on the lower end of the economic spectrum — are feeling vulnerable right now. And so candidates — at least, Democratic ones — seem to be banking on denunciations of NAFTA as a way to win voters, especially in the Rust Belt.”
“Remember the “giant sucking sound” presidential candidate Ross Perot prophesied about in 1992? Well, the suction turned out to have come from China and India, not from Mexico, as he warned. In fact, Mexico has lost manufacturing jobs to foreign competition since NAFTA was passed in 1994. Meanwhile, the United States has added 26 million new jobs.
Agriculture offers a largely positive picture of free trade. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, from 1992 to 2007 the value of U.S. agriculture exports in the world rose by 65 percent. During the same time period, farm and food exports to Canada and Mexico grew by 156 percent. It’s not so great if you get affected by the out-of-work Mexican farmer who comes to the United States searching for work after being displaced by all the corn the United States now sends south of the border.”
Democrats, intent on gathering voters to their side, are crying wolf on free trade. There is no doubt that many Americans are dealing with very real economic insecurity. The world is changing, and the United States needs to take steps to keep up. That includes reforming health care, education and a host of other policy areas.
Bashing free trade, as easy as it is to do on the campaign stump, won’t solve anything.”
“Unless YOU are a woman who hunts? You have no right to tell me how to interpret those remarks.”
God forbid anyone telling YOU anything farm girl.
But I resent the fact that you feel because of your sex - no one else can have an opinion on a candidates comments.
That you took his comments as directed at females, and I took it that his comments were directed at Hillary’s track record on gun control, reflects a difference of opinions.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I guess I and anyone else here who is not gay, should have no right to comment on gays?
Democrats, Republicans Coming to Agreement: Iraq Must Start Paying the Bill
After five years, Republicans and Democrats seem to have found common ground on at least one aspect of the war. From the fiercest war foes to the most steadfast Bush supporters, they are looking at Iraq’s surging oil income and saying Baghdad should start picking up the tab, particularly for rebuilding hospitals, roads, power lines and the rest of the shattered country.
SolDevVB
Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink
RAMALLAH, West Bank — Jimmy Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank on a Mideast visit that will culminate in a meeting with the terror group’s exiled leader in Syria later this week.
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You got a problem with hugged and kissed part?? Same thing there as shaking hands here…
And that Hamas leader was elected by his PEOPLE, in an open, free, and democratic election!! I remember how shocked, I say shocked, Bush was when the Palestinian people elected Hamas members to their government high positions…
We must not forget that there are TWO Hamas groups… One that is governmental, and one that is military… Once again, we show a failure to understand how folks in the Middle East live, and conduct their governmental business…
You might not have a problem with the “Well Regulated” part of the 2nd Amendment.
You do have a problem with any type of comprehension of the 2nd Amendment and completely ignore the context of it, what the founding fathers meant when they wrote it, and what is actually said in it, when you highlight the “well regulated” part like you do.
Bush has suggested that Congress is preaching to the choir. Last week, he noted that Baghdad’s latest budget would outspend the U.S. by more than 10 to one on Iraq reconstruction, with American funding for large-scale projects “approaching zero.”
“Ultimately, we expect Iraq to shoulder the full burden of these costs,” he said.
“A well regulated Militia, [National Guard?] being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people [this be you and me?]to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
I think the “shall not be infringed” part covers it.
Well, Naathan, aint that just too gosh drned bad — I happen to disagree with you — That doesnt mean I dont understand it, any more or less than YOU do… unless of course, you have hopped on the time machine, gone back in history, and watched and listened to those proceedings…
I personally stood at Cape Kennedy and watched the space shuttle take off. Now I am an expert on aeronautics, physics, propulsion, life-support systems in space, and space flight.
Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.
Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.
You have an amazing mindset, Nathan… I too have read most — if not all — that the founding fathers wrote about the Bill of Rights.
BUT — heaven forbid that somebody disagree with Nathan, because if they DO, then they cant possibly be reading it right!! And here I thought you only had that attitude about the Bible!! But now, I see that that mindset seems to work for you on anything!! Disagree with Nathan, and be told you are wrong — After all, HE has read it, and HE knows the real TRUTH!! Yea, sure, right!!
American_Way
Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.
Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.
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Now, AmWay, every bit of that fits in exactly with what Obama said… And it is such a pile of neocon TRASH!!! You should be very qashamed of yourself!!
“She didnt suggest the shot. She didnt suggest what KIND of shot. The BARTENDER said “how about Crown Royal” and she said “good idea”.”
I’ve seen the clip once. But I thought she said something like “Oh! The good stuff!”
Sounded to me like a desperate fat chick in a rural Kansas bar late on a Saturday night. (And, yeah, that’s sexist and fat-ist and probably elitist… but that’s what it sounded like.)
Certainly even you, “ksfarmgrrl,” are a bit nonplussed by Senator Clinton bragging about her duck-hunting. Doesn’t it border on silliness just a little bit?
You and I have seen posters such as the one previously known as “Nathan” who’s so afraid of the world he can’t go to the mail box without packing heat. And he clings to his religion so desperately he cannot even accept any theology but his own.
Consider the issues that really matter: Iraq, terrorism, healthcare, economic justice, equal opportunity, preserving and restoring constitutional rights… and this election will turn on Hillary Clinton shooting a duck?!
We’re nearly six months away from the election that really matters. Think there won’t be Bosnias and Rev. Wrights and Crown Royal shots and “Sunni vs. Shi’ites? Whatever…” moments between now and then?
And don’t you see how all these fringe “issues” have bearing on how any election turns out… probably to distract us from what really matters when the next President takes office?
“The town name included “crown” something, and that is why the tradition in that bar was Crown Royal.”
Yeah, and that’s an issue on which we should select the leader of the free world.
How did any of us get that crazy?
“I guess if you cant whip somebody on substance, you can always play loose with the facts.”
And if you consider boilermakers and duck blinds to be “substance,” you’ve got a clear choice in presidential candidates.
And the Militia will carry what with them into a battle??? 5 smoothe stones from Brook Kidron, OR their firearms??? You all are always saying “Guns dont kill people; People kill people…” That MILITIA will be carrying guns — Now if the MILITIA is well regulated, then their firearms will be regulated along with them!!
What your precious, holy, and mighty 2nd Amendment does NOT say, is that the government has NO RIGHT to make laws concerning Guns and Gun owners… It does NOT say that, because the founders knew better than that!!
Now, Sol, dont start this nonsense… I didnt say ONE WORD about the right to keep and bear arms… Not ONE WORD, But here you go jumping on me for something I did not say… You people really gotta stop doing that!! Makes you look bad!! There is NOTHING in your precious 2nd Amendment that denies the government the right to pass laws regarding guns, and/or gun owners… It simply isnt there!!
No Sol — Guns and gun ownership are not the TWO THINGS in the entire nation that government has NO say about!! I’m sorry… you are just plain wrong (I will restrain myself to not use the term ignorant)… The government can damn well pass laws regulating gun ownership, and gun controls… Such laws do not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms!!
“But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Now, what AmWay said about the poor folks is right in there “antipathy to people who arent like them or aanti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment” AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks… the ones whose jobs have gone aay in the past 25 or so years?? Everything AmWay said about his delusion of being forced to help these poor folks is all right here in Obama’s words…
Regarding your gun ownership… So, does a law requiring you to own car insurance prevent you from owning a car?? Does the requirement that you REGISTER your vehicle prevent you from owning your car?? Does failure to have a Driver’s License prohibit you from owning said automobile??
Why do you not see that reasonable controls on WEAPONS do not in any way, shape or form, prohibit you from owning a gun?? Even if a law says what TYPE of gun you cannot own… doesnt mean that you are prohibited from owning a different type…
And Sol, calling me a liar will not change what the Constitution does NOT say!! But, if you must — you know if you are clinging to them guns THAT hard… well, I guess you really cant help it…
If “shall not be infringed” is really a constitutional right, guns should be for sale in vending machines… in prisons, mental hospitals, and legislatures.
This so-called “sacred” right has been infringed upon six ways to Sunday. And no matter how crazed you find yourself when addressing the gun issue, most of you guys admit to a bit of diffidence when it comes to an un-infringed right to keep and bear arms when somebody is on trial for mass murder. So “…shall not be infringed” is a non-issue.
The right to keep and bear arms is and should be “infringed.”
Now we’re only talking about a matter of degree.
It’s like the old joke:
He says, “Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?”
She says, “Yes!”
He says, “Would you sleep with me for ten dollars?”
She says, “What kind of girl do you think I am?”
He says, “We know what you are. Now we’re negotiating the price.”
“…shall not be infringed” makes the 2nd Amendment as anachronistic as the 3rd Amendment.
Your imaginary unlimted “…right to keep and bear arms…” was lost long ago.
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon on my person infringe on my right to bear arms?
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon in my vehicle infringe on my right to bear arms?
Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.
Read it S L O W L Y chas.
SolDevVB
Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink
Is he right or wrong?
“I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.
I personally took no offense to what the man said.”
SolDevVB
Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon on my person infringe on my right to bear arms?
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon in my vehicle infringe on my right to bear arms?
Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.
Read it S L O W L Y chas.
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In a word, Sol — NO!!!
Why?? None of those restrictions say you cannot OWN a weapon…. Where do any of your cutesy examples say you cannot OWN a weapon?? NOWHERE!! Its in your dimly lighted BRAIN, Sol!! All in your head!! Hey, are you and Max, and Nathan all related??? That might explain it!!
Sol, restrictions on “bearing” arms have been in existence since the beginning of this nation… It isnt some new thing thought up by stupid democrats… Been around a LONG time… Guess you must not read much, eh??
The Old West was full of towns where guns had to be checked at the door to the local saloons.. Dodge City was one of those… MANY towns hve always banned guns within the local city government buildings… and courthouses… and yea, even churches and hospitals…
“Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.”
There has to be some sort of limitations or restrictions, Mr. DevVB, or Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Michael Bloomberg could just go out and buy a few ICBM’s with nuke warheads, etc.
You whine and bitch about Bush taking away civil liberties with the Patriot act and warrantless wire tapping, then you get your panties all in a wad when I want to defend a civil liberty.
Cafeteria style constitution for chas. Pick and choose what you want, screw the rest. Nice attitude chas. Liar.
Sol, Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata, is exactly what Obama means when he talks about the angry folks who have Antipathy toward those not like themselves… The VERY epitome of Obama’s words are in what AmWay said about poor folks, and about HIS money having to pay for somebody’s EIC (which is totally false)!!
SOL — Either you show me and the entire Blog where I have EVER said you cant have your guns…. or just forever stop badgering me about it!! You wont find anything, but, please, do try!!
Agreed Mr. Clark. I don’t want my neighbor to have a 155mm howitzer. I don’t want m=one myself. I don’t own a fire arm.
It pisses me off when you get ill-informed (poster’s name left out) people that want to preach gun control when they don’t even fully understand the constitutional rights. When they don’t even fully understand the laws that are already in place that aren’t enforced.
Sol, Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata,
He doesn’t dislike the people, he dislikes the tax code. Get a clue.
Obama means when he talks about the angry folks who have Antipathy toward those not like themselves
Immigration dolt.
and about HIS money having to pay for somebody’s EIC (which is totally false)!!
Whiffed again scooter. The gov’t. need X amount of “revenue” – read taxes. So they tax our income. When a sector of the populace “can not afford” to pay their share, that burden is passed on to others.
“AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks…”
Excuse me. But I never said anything about my IRA’s helping the poor. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. I didn’t even imply that my IRA’s would help the poor. I merely stated I had to go take care of my IRA paperwork (Roth IRA’s over age 50), so I’d be leaving.
There are various types and requirements, but basically, anyone who ever worked and has bought IRA’s knows at some point in time (immediately for a deductible/in retirement for a nondeductible), IRA’s in some fashion (either base amount reduces immediate liability/interest amount decreased liability) REDUCE payment of my worth to the IRS/US Government. (It gets more complicated, but that’s why I go to someone else to do the paperwork and I sign).
But bottom line is an IRA helps shield or protect my money from taxation.
This would never help “the poor folk”.
Hence, I never implied that it would. Just that I had to leave.
SO, you dont want your neighbor to own a 155mm Howitzer… But you dont believe in gun control, Sol!! How amazing!! You want CONTROL over what kind of gun your neighbor owns… But I cant say it because WHY??
And what in God’s Green Earth makes you think you know more about the Constitution than I do, or anybody else does?? You’re just like Nathan(iel)…. I disagree with you… so, therefore I am WRONG, and YOU are right… RIGHT!!! Wow, now we got that out in the open!!
Have fun, Sollie!! I do hope your neighbor doesnt go buy a 155 Howitzer!! After all, you wouldnt want to RESTRICT what kind of gun he owns, now would you??
Sol, I never SAID there was a link… I STATED, perfectly clearly, so that even YOU could understand, that you posted earlier from Obama’s speech… NO LINK was ever mentioned!!! YOU were the one w
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I have a suggestion. The first person who casts a stone towards another should be put in bloggie time out for the day.
Lets get a handle on all the ‘no I’m not but you are” posts.
Good Morning children!
Today in the paper, maybe, there is an article on breeder license registration. On December 21st last year the city council without debate or public input caved to Environmental services and amended the requirements for dog breeder licenses in Wichita.
They attached the amendment to a housing bill. When I contacted the city council members via email most did not bother to reply and the ones that did couldn’t answer basic questions about the new requirements for breeder licenses.
The new requirements are vague and oppressive. They basically allow interpretation and enforcement by an Environmental Services department that is out of control.
For the purposes of full disclosure, HLP=Hank. It seems I registered a long time ago as Hank. I forgot my password/email and couldn’t get logged in as Hank anymore.
I have about a half dozen favorite passwords and four different emails that I could have used. Oh well, I’m now HLP.
Are ethics making a comeback? It would be nice:
With little fanfare, a small number of prominent academic scientists have made a decision that was until recently all but unheard of. They decided to stop accepting payments from food, drug and medical device companies.
No longer will they be paid for speaking at meetings or for sitting on advisory boards. They may still work with companies. It is important, they say, for knowledgeable scientists to help companies draw up and interpret studies. But the work will be pro bono.
The scientists say their decisions were private and made with mixed emotions. In at least one case, the choice resulted in significant financial sacrifice. While the investigators say they do not want to appear superior to their colleagues, they also express relief. At last, they say, when they offer a heartfelt and scientifically reasoned opinion, no one will silently put an asterisk next to their name.
They are part of a group responding to accusations of ethical conflicts inherent in these arrangements, and their decisions repudiate decades of industry influence, says Dr. Jerome P. Kassirer, a professor at the Tufts School of Medicine, who has written a book on conflicts of interest.
Five years ago, “nobody paid any attention to taking money from industry,” he said, adding: “They just took it. In some instances, I think people thought they were suckers if they didn’t.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/health/15conf.html?partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print
HANK! Saw your picture in today’s paper - why do you look a bit greyer than I remember?
I agree with you on the puppy issue - perhaps people like you can get with the city to develop an ordinance that works.
The first person who casts a stone towards another should be put in bloggie time out for the day.
We can try.
No . . . trying to stir something up? No . . . couldn’t be. Why, the republicans would never do that . . . (sarcasm off)
Associated Press director William Dean Singleton, who serves as the publisher of Denver Post, the Salt Lake Tribune and the Detroit News and is one of about twenty newspaper owners that run the wire service, asked Sen. Barack Obama about shifting troops into Afghanistan to fight al Qaeda leader “Obama bin Laden.”
“Can you imagine shifting a substantial number of Afghanistan — a substantial number to Afghanistan where the Taliban has been gaining strength and Obama Bin Laden is still at large?” Singleton queried.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/obama-corrects.html
HANK! Saw your picture in today’s paper - why do you look a bit greyer than I remember?
Now, Ben, that’s not nice!
Dang, Hank, I always knew you were a lawbreaker. Why, it’s people like you who support dog babies that are just ruining this world! Why that schnauzer is obviously a foreign dog. Do you have immigration papers on her? You paying her for her motherhood? I’ll bet your skipping the ss tax as well on her:-)
Iraq Fighting Worsens with Killing of Top Sadr Aide
Iraq’s sectarian conflict has escalated with the killing of a top aide to Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. The aide, Riyadh al-Nouri, was killed Friday in Najaf. No group has claimed responsibility. Al-Nouri was Sadr’s top negotiator with the Iraqi government and also his brother-in-law. Hundreds of Sadr followers crowded Najaf’s cemetery on Saturday, blaming the US for al-Nouri’s death.
Meanwhile, US and Iraqi forces continue their attacks on Shiite fighters in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City. Witnesses say a series of clashes this weekend marked the heaviest fighting since the crackdown began late last month. In Baghdad Saturday, hundreds of demonstrators turned out in Baghdad to protest the US occupation. Sheikh Abu Talib al-Amin of the Iraqi Farmers Organization condemned ongoing attacks on Iraqi civilians.
Sheikh Abu Talib al-Amin: “The Iraqi people were expecting good things and reformation when the US forces invaded Iraq. We thought that they would solve all the troubles that we suffered from. Now, we can see different things. When they impose a blockade on an area, killing its people, that means that they are not going to give a chance to oppressed people to express their opinions.”
Linkiepoo
Now we’ll see how things heat up. IMHO Sadr is more in controll of Iraq than the sham government or the US military. Time will tell.
Bush Admin: Iran Poses “Primary Threat” to Iraq
The Bush administration has escalated its rhetoric against Iran. This weekend senior US officials told the Washington Post that Iran now poses the primary threat to Iraq. The officials said Iran has increased its support for Shia militias battling US and Iraqi troops. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has previously ridiculed US allegations of Iranian interference in Iraq, saying it’s the US that invaded and continues to occupy the country.
Linkiepoo
Bomb bomb bomb…
Bush Admits Knowledge of White House Meetings on Interrogation Techniques
President Bush has confirmed he was aware top administration officials personally discussed and approved how top suspects in the so-called war on terror would be interrogated by the CIA. Last week, ABC News revealed a Principals Committee on the National Security Council agreed on controversial interrogation techniques, including physical assault, sleep deprivation and waterboarding. The officials involved included Vice President Cheney, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell. In an interview with ABC News Friday, Bush said he had approved the meetings but did not take part. He said, “We started to connect the dots, in order to protect the American people. And yes, I’m aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved.” In a separate interview, Powell said he could not remember the details of the meetings. The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to appoint an independent prosecutor. ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero said, “It is a very sad day when the President of the United States subverts the Constitution, the rule of law and American values of justice.”
Linkiepoo
When one sacrifices liberty for saftey, one deserves neither.
Group: US Military Prisoners Sent to Unfair Trials in Afghanistan
A leading human rights group has issued new allegations over the plight of US military prisoners in Afghanistan. Human Rights First says dozens of prisoners transferred from US military to the Afghan government have been subjected to unfair trials based almost entirely on allegations from US officials. The prisoners’ attorneys have been unable to call witnesses or conduct cross-examinations. The trials have lasted between thirty minutes to one hour, resulting in sentences ranging from three to twenty years.
Linkiepoo
ahhh our wonderful legal system at work…
2007 Record Year for Lobbying in US
New figures show congressional lobbying reached a new high last year. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, corporations, industries and other interests spent a record $2.79 billion last year. It was an eight percent rise over 2006, amounting to an average of $17 million for every day of Congress. The drug industry saw the highest rise, increasing its lobbying spending by 25 percent. Center for Responsive Politics executive director Sheila Krumholz said, “At a time when our economy is contracting, Washington’s lobbying industry has been expanding. Lobbying seems to be a recession-proof industry.”
linkiepoo
Why don’t the congressmen just put themselves on e-bay?
Our government, for sale
Admin Rejects Congressional Challenge to Satellite Surveillance
The Bush administration is rebuffing a congressional challenge to the Department of Homeland Security’s new satellite surveillance system. Last week, Democrats threatened to shut down the program unless privacy concerns could be addressed. The satellite program is designed to provide federal, state and local officials with extensive access to spy satellite imagery to assist with emergency response and other domestic security needs. But critics say the Bush administration hasn’t created legal safeguards to ensure that the program won’t be used for domestic spying. In a letter to lawmakers, Chertoff said the system poses no civil liberties concerns and will be slowly activated in the coming weeks.
Linkiepoo
Big brother 10?
Eye in the sky?
Meanwhile - of interest to Wichita:
Gander Mountain 4Q Profit Tumbles
Gander Mountain’s 4Q Profit Drops 62 Percent As Earnings and Sales Miss Wall Street Estimates
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/apwire/248630fc4060a6d08ea9029174af7af1.htm
Charges were incurred from closing two unprofitable stores.
I wonder how the Wichita store is doing …
“I have a suggestion. The first person who casts a stone towards another should be put in bloggie time out for the day.” — p.m.
pot kettle black bitch
How’s about you tell us who we better know you as “beber”?
And let’s take it easy on the language with the ladies.
Jay, beber is Door King. He posted it earlier.
P.S. I don’t mind the language, Dork, but what an appalling lack of class.
*picks up big rock, aims at dk*
Ok, since beber threw the first rock, I guess I’m out of danger for a time out?
hehehehehehheheehehehhehehehehehehehe……
So…. let’s talk about lobbying, shall we?
“Kansans for Affordable Energy, which has received funding from Sunflower and the world’s largest private coal company, Peabody Energy, spent $11,000 last month on “communications,” including letters and media spots.”
“http://www.saljournal.com/rdnews/story/HNS-coal-lobby-spending-4-14-08
Ya know Peabody Energy, right? The company formerly known as Peabody Coal? As in John Prine’s song “Mr. Peabody’s Coal train has hauled it away”.
Maybe we all need a refresher on “Paradise”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6svtzfZhlI&feature=related
John Prine - Paradise lyrics
When I was a child my family would travel
Down to western kentucky where my parents were born
And there’s a backwards old town that’s often remembered
So many times that my memories are worn.
Chorus:
And daddy won’t you take me back to muhlenberg county
Down by the green river where paradise lay
Well, I’m sorry my son, but you’re too late in asking
Mister peabody’s coal train has hauled it away
Well, sometimes we’d travel right down the green river
To the abandoned old prison down by adrie hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we’d shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill.
Repeat chorus:
Then the coal company came with the world’s largest shovel
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.
Repeat chorus:
When I die let my ashes float down the green river
Let my soul roll on up to the rochester dam
I’ll be halfway to heaven with paradise waitin’
Just five miles away from wherever I am.
So, bush was telling a bald face lie, when he told the country “The U.S. doesn’t torture.”
Elsewhere: 5o dead in car bomb attacks in Iraq. Iran isn’t the biggest threat to Iraq, Iraq is the biggest threat to Iraq!
HLP, did you happen to notice that pretty devil in the picture? And the human being was statesmen looking too.
Hey Ben,
Hell, I’m even greyer than I remember!
I had to go out and buy a paper this morning. I expected that the story would be page 5, section B.
Must be a slow news day!
Saw a OL comment from someone from Kentucky who stated he moved to Ks. to get away from the coal plants.
Sol you left a lot of meat to chew on, but as to the spy satellite, in public you have no inherent right to privacy. On the street or in a structure that is public access, it maybe aggravating but not illegal.
Hey writerdog!
Lily Beth is the boss of the house hold. Her nickname is ‘chainsaw’. She can strike fear in in the hearts of all the Beardies!
Fuel Choices, Food Crises and Finger-Pointing
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/business/worldbusiness/15food.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Hey Farmgirl!
Watched John Prine on Austin City Limits Saturday. “Paradise” is one of my favorite songs of his. He didn’t sing it.
Since his cancer, he might nt be able to sing it like he use to.
And let’s take it easy on the language with the ladies — bluejay
P.M. is no lady. She’s a libber activist.
Even if you arent a Billy Joel fan, this is good:
http://yeli.us/Flash/Fire.html
I think “Paradise” was recorded big time by the late Johnny Cash… Peabody Coal Co. is still in existence… They float many barges up and down the Mississippi River…
Just a quick word about John Prine: His work is tremendous — as extensive as Dylan’s and maybe more extensive, as Dylan, as great as he is, wrote so many dogs.
Yeah and you DoorKing(beber) are a really old creepy freaky hippy who looks like a complete loser and likes to leer at preteen girls.
Israel Blocks Jimmy Carter from Entering Gaza
Former President Jimmy Carter has announced plans to go ahead with his plans to meet with the top leader of Hamas, Khaled Meshaal, in Damascus despite protests from the Israeli government. Carter says he wants to get Hamas to agree to a peaceful resolution of differences, both with the Israelis and the rival Palestinian faction Fatah. Carter is meeting with Palestinian officials today in the West Bank, but Israel has refused to allow him to enter Gaza.
Jimmy Carter: “Well, I haven’t been able to get permission to go into Gaza. I would like to. I asked for permission, but I was turned down. But maybe we can find a way to circumvent that. I was in Sderot yesterday, and I don’t approve of rockets being fired, you know, that might very well hit civilians, and I don’t approve of the killing of innocent people in Gaza either by Israeli bombs and missiles. So that’s what, you know, the Carter Center is—our major purpose is to bring peace to people who are in conflict.”
Israel’s Shin Bet security service has also refused to offer security for Carter’s visit to the occupied West Bank, as is customary during such visits by former US presidents.
Linkiepoo
Israel may take Carter out and make it look like the Pals. did it.
Oy vey, looks like a long day on the Blog…
Later all… got appointments….
Four US Journalists Arrested in Niger Delta
And Four American documentary filmmakers and a Nigerian citizen have been arrested by the Nigerian military in the Niger Delta. The Seattle-based crew has been detained since Saturday. The film crew was finishing work on the documentary Sweet Crude. Arrested were director Sandy Cioffi and crew members Tammi Sims, Cliff Worsham and Sean Porter, as well as Joel Bisina, founder of the Niger Delta Professionals for Development. Sandy Cioffi appeared on Democracy Now! in 2006 to discuss the situation in the Niger Delta and the role women played in protesting multinational oil corporations.
Sandy Cioffi: “And those women were demanding fairly basic things, like jobs, some remediation of the environment, water, electricity, healthcare, basic infrastructure that you would expect, that if you have $38 billion annually of revenue going to your government, that you would have, and they have none of those things. In fact, they have quite the opposite. They have their livelihood taken away from them.”
The Committee to Protect Journalists has called on Nigeria to immediately release Sandy Cioffi and the four other members of her crew and to end what it described as a pattern of censorship of the conflict over oil in the region.
Linkeepoo
” but Israel has refused to allow him to enter Gaza.”
So much for US and Israeli claims that the Palestiians are allowed to rule Gaza. If there were the case it would be up to the Palestinians who they allow to visit there.
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In a true Bi-partisan effort, “The only real thing that can be pointed to as the main difference between Hillary Clinton and John Mc Cain being President. Would be whether the toilet seat is up or down in the restroom!”.
Obama says:
Attempting to explain the electoral psychology of blue-collar Pennsylvanians to the limousine liberals in attendance, Obama noted that in “these small towns… the jobs have been gone for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them”–even though “the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate.” So far, so good–that’s an accurate enough analysis of broken political promises and working-class decline. But then Obama went a step further. “It’s not surprising then they get bitter,” he said. “They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Is he right or wrong?
Well, in commemoration of my 40th birthday, which is TODAY, thank you all very much, I declare a unilateral moratorium (only applying to me) on acrimonious posts. Call it Blog Aggressor Amnesty Day, if you need to call it something. The pressing needs of debate and argument can wait until tomorrow.
My cup of happiness runneth over. The wind is blowing (hard, actually), the sun is shining, and I have a relatively light workload. Hell, for the next twelve hours, I may even forgo sarcasm.
“CF2K” proclaims –
“…for the next twelve hours, I may even forgo sarcasm.”
Stop! Stop!! STOP!!!
Eight hours of no sarcasm wll likely give you bends.
Is he right or wrong?
I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.
I personally took no offense to what the man said.
I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear. Not unheard of in politics. The problem is those who blindly believe what she says.
Hillary, fit for presidency?
You share a birthday with one of my good liberal friends, CF. I wonder, is there is something idealogical about being born on tax day?
Ah well; happy birthday CF.
Bob Dylan wins Pulitzer award…
Come gather ’round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You’ll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin’
Then you better start swimmin’
Or you’ll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin’.
Happy birthday, CF2K! Here’s an entertaining memory from 2 days ago today!
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/04/_open_thread_/#comment-39066
So which is it, Regular?
* Were you lying when you said you served in the Vietnam War (actually Thailand) or were you lying when you said you were too young to serve in the Vietnam War?
* Were you lying when you said you were married or were you lying when you said you had never been married?
Now that you claim that you have stopped lying, it would be good to confess your past lying.
That might begin to convince the readers that you’ve really changed. Admitting wrong-doing in the past is the only way to start to believably atone for it.
Instead, however, you just name-call and lash out at others for pointing out the obvious: you lie.
Er, two years ago. . .
To those that think Obama will sell out to RepubliCONs, consider this:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html
Monday, April 14, 2008
Obama would ask his AG to “immediately review” potential of crimes in Bush White House
Obama said that as president he would indeed ask his new Attorney General and his deputies to “immediately review the information that’s already there” and determine if an inquiry is warranted — but he also tread carefully on the issue, in line with his reputation for seeking to bridge the partisan divide. He worried that such a probe could be spun as “a partisan witch hunt.” However, he said that equation changes if there was willful criminality, because “nobody is above the law.”
The question was inspired by a recent report by ABC News, confirmed by the Associated Press, that high-level officials including Vice President Dick Cheney and former Cabinet secretaries Colin Powell, John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfeld, among others, met in the White House and discussed the use of waterboarding and other torture techniques on terrorism suspects.
Rage,
Too funny! The CF/CF2K self-posted birthday notice seems to be morphing from a simple tic into a habit.
I sure seem to like talking about myself, don’t I? Must be that whole narcissistic Aries thing.
“SolDevVB” –
“I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.”
And the only so-called gaffe was the word “cling.” Had he said “they embrace relgion or guns or fear or hate for strangers…” there’d've been no problem. “Cling” conjures up images of fear.
“I personally took no offense to what the man said.
“I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear. Not unheard of in politics. The problem is those who blindly believe what she says.”
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Hillary Clinton has all the qualities for remaining a superb United States Senator. We’ve seen her like before. Lyndon Johnson was a helluva Senator, but what works in the cloakrooms and committee hearings in Congress requires an altogether different skill set that what works in the Oval Office.
Is she capable of being a good POTUS? Yeah, probably. But she falls far short of the mark, in my opinion, with the requirements of a presidential candidate.
She has a tin ear for politics. She’s out there shootin’ ducks and doin’ shots at a redneck bar… but insists on Crown Royal?! You don’t drink Crown Royal boilermakers, Hil. Sheesh.
The poster previously known as “J R” (sorry, guy, I haven’t figured out all the new nics yet) approves of the Clintons’ gutter-fighting style, believing the Democratic Party’s candidate will have to be willing to throw an elbow and pull a knife against the Republic Party. He has an argument.
But Obama is handling the Hillary onslaught with strength and grace… and she’s not gonna win enough delegates to change his inevitable nomination and victory. He is, quite simply, the better candidate against Clinton or McSame.
Nice try monkey, but I actually watched the video of that “beer and shot” moment.
She didnt suggest the shot. She didnt suggest what KIND of shot. The BARTENDER said “how about Crown Royal” and she said “good idea”.
The town name included “crown” something, and that is why the tradition in that bar was Crown Royal.
I guess if you cant whip somebody on substance, you can always play loose with the facts.
Just like you say about her.
Another IRS deadline date is upon us! The final day to rob from the rich to give to the poor! The final day to rob from us all to give to the war! The final day to rob from us all to give to corporate welfare, farmer welfare, foreign aid, Unearned Income Credits, and greedy pork barrel earmarks for all!! (Did I make this generic enough to please libs and cons alike?)
Tax Freedom Day will be April 23rd, 2008. America will work three days less to pay taxes in 2008 than in 2007; Stimulus Rebates push day of celebration up. For Kansans, our state Tax Freedom Day is April 18th, making us 26th in the nation.
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
But bring lot’s of tax money!!!!!!!!
Kansans Tax Burden:
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/455.html
Bring on the National Sales Tax (Consumption Tax), and disband the IRS forever!!!!!!!!!
Least we forget our anger at the complicated forms and paperwork should not be directed at the IRS but at the United States Congress instead. They make the fiscal policy. The IRS is just the instrument which carries it out. God bless em one and all.
I still have trouble playing video right now, but I think this is the link. I dont know if it is the WHOLE link to the “shot and beer” thing.
The truth is out there….
And I also resent obama making fun of her as “annie oakley”. It’s an insult to all the women who really do shoot and/or hunt. I’m sure she doesnt spend every weekend at the trap range or duck blind, but then… She didnt say she did, now did she?
Nope. That’s spin. The obama supporters now adopt the rhetoric of the wingnuts who smeared Kerry when he went duck hunting. They HOWLED back then, and now? They do the same to Hillary. I dont think she claimed to be Harold Ensley.
But keep believing these comments by obama are no big deal. Keep thinking the country is as in love with obama as you are.
You can get him nominated. Let’s see ya get him elected.
oops. here’s the crown royal link. And the name of the town was Crown Point, Indiana.
Dammit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V4fffzU1wA
Oh, and a happy birthday to you, CF. It sure would be nice to hear the WEblog Trio again.
KSFrmGrrl–
Would you clear something up:
I thought it was JM-Regular who posted a link to a web photo of you. He claims he didn’t.
Who’s right?
old creepy freaky hippy — p.m.
So p.m., you were the one from Salina who hit the old Hazink site 10 times a day for months and went through every old photo? What were you looking for bitch? Like I said before, there are people on these blogs who seriously mean to harm others, and you are probably one of them. However, I’ll give you the benny of a doubt, and just assume were obsessed with me chops.
I am an old hippy, except hippies never get old; we just age. We were right, and still are; we’ll be playing music for three weeks beginning this May 22 at the Kerrville Music Festival. Anyone want a ride?
I really dont remember Captain, but I think it was the poster formerly known as SOB, or golfnutz or tippy. I dont think it was JM, but I think he was posting as Khan at that time, and it could have been Khan.
I dont really care. Tippy was threatening to out me, posted my initials, claimed to know things that were NOT true, made vague threats, so I outed myself by name to take that nonsense away. Like I was afraid of it. That’s when the whole hee haw gang googled me and posted links.
I dont have anything to hide, but I agree that the blog has gotten nasty and dangerous ever since tippy, golfnutz, and JM arrived. And I think they all arrived at the same time.
If I had to do it all over again, I wouldnt have posted so much, but… whatever.
It’s a damn blog, and not even a good one at that! I know a lot of folks in Topeka used to read here. And they dont anymore. Boring and childish for the most part.
beber = scroll over territory
Political Mama,
Your offer at the start of this thread ended up being about as hollow as it sounded when you made it.
If you want to inspire change on this blog you don’t do it by jumping into the mud with the very poster who ended up throwing a stone at you.
Hey Dad,
Congratulations on getting Lillybeth in the paper.
I bet Mom is just thrilled that her little girl is on the front page!
Oh yeah, and you too, lol.
“I do take offense at seeing Hillary change her tune in every state she visits. Now she is anti-NAFTA? Where was she when her husband was finishing the ground work? Now she is pro-second amendment? She will tell the voters anything they want to hear.”
Bill Clinton=Hillary Clinton=Liars
“And I also resent obama making fun of her as “annie oakley”. It’s an insult to all the women who really do”
Obama’s comments were not directed at any other females use of firearms. Obama was simply reminding voters of Hillary’s true nature concerning gun control and her previous position on the same. Obama wasn’t trying to offend women shooters - he was reminding ALL gun owners that Hillary again is wishy-washy on her convictions.
“that Hillary again is wishy-washy on her convictions”
Only on the campaign trail. Once elected, all bets are off. Her string of lies should outline that.
I’m no supporter of Obama. Hell I don’t support any of the top three of the four remaining candidates. Hillary lies. McCain wants to nuke Iran. Obama is an unknown and scares the hell out of me. He does handle himself politically better than Hillary or McCain, but that alone doesn’t win my vote.
Hmmmm…..
Well, as an actual woman who actually hunts, thanks for telling me how I should feel, and how I should interpret obama’s comments.
typical male. Thinks I couldnt POSSIBLY know what to think or feel on my own without correction or input.
Unless YOU are a woman who hunts? You have no right to tell me how to interpret those remarks.
I hate being patronized, and I also hate it when folks talk down to me about my support for Hillary being just “sista hood” or having my gay dander up about obigot.
Patronizing is as patronizing does.
Oh, and btw? As a woman who hunts, I’m not afraid of any boogy man taking away my guns. And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.
RAMALLAH, West Bank — Jimmy Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank on a Mideast visit that will culminate in a meeting with the terror group’s exiled leader in Syria later this week.
Linkiepoo
Interesting editorial on NAFTA and how democrats are “users” when it comes to bashing a program which has had mixed results - many positive:
“Many Americans — those in the middle and on the lower end of the economic spectrum — are feeling vulnerable right now. And so candidates — at least, Democratic ones — seem to be banking on denunciations of NAFTA as a way to win voters, especially in the Rust Belt.”
“Remember the “giant sucking sound” presidential candidate Ross Perot prophesied about in 1992? Well, the suction turned out to have come from China and India, not from Mexico, as he warned. In fact, Mexico has lost manufacturing jobs to foreign competition since NAFTA was passed in 1994. Meanwhile, the United States has added 26 million new jobs.
Agriculture offers a largely positive picture of free trade. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, from 1992 to 2007 the value of U.S. agriculture exports in the world rose by 65 percent. During the same time period, farm and food exports to Canada and Mexico grew by 156 percent. It’s not so great if you get affected by the out-of-work Mexican farmer who comes to the United States searching for work after being displaced by all the corn the United States now sends south of the border.”
Democrats, intent on gathering voters to their side, are crying wolf on free trade. There is no doubt that many Americans are dealing with very real economic insecurity. The world is changing, and the United States needs to take steps to keep up. That includes reforming health care, education and a host of other policy areas.
Bashing free trade, as easy as it is to do on the campaign stump, won’t solve anything.”
http://www.kansascity.com/276/story/575637.html
KFG says >>>
“And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.”
AMEEN!!! I second that!!
“Unless YOU are a woman who hunts? You have no right to tell me how to interpret those remarks.”
God forbid anyone telling YOU anything farm girl.
But I resent the fact that you feel because of your sex - no one else can have an opinion on a candidates comments.
That you took his comments as directed at females, and I took it that his comments were directed at Hillary’s track record on gun control, reflects a difference of opinions.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I guess I and anyone else here who is not gay, should have no right to comment on gays?
BS
Democrats, Republicans Coming to Agreement: Iraq Must Start Paying the Bill
After five years, Republicans and Democrats seem to have found common ground on at least one aspect of the war. From the fiercest war foes to the most steadfast Bush supporters, they are looking at Iraq’s surging oil income and saying Baghdad should start picking up the tab, particularly for rebuilding hospitals, roads, power lines and the rest of the shattered country.
Linkiepoo
A-FREAKIN-MEN !!! Bout damn time too. Bout time for them to police their own damn streets too
Sol - I’ll believe it when I see it. Bush will veto anything that mandates it.
SolDevVB
Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink
RAMALLAH, West Bank — Jimmy Carter reportedly hugged — and kissed — a Hamas leader Tuesday in the West Bank on a Mideast visit that will culminate in a meeting with the terror group’s exiled leader in Syria later this week.
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You got a problem with hugged and kissed part?? Same thing there as shaking hands here…
And that Hamas leader was elected by his PEOPLE, in an open, free, and democratic election!! I remember how shocked, I say shocked, Bush was when the Palestinian people elected Hamas members to their government high positions…
We must not forget that there are TWO Hamas groups… One that is governmental, and one that is military… Once again, we show a failure to understand how folks in the Middle East live, and conduct their governmental business…
Amway, real slow for ya now…
You can interpret obama’s comments any way you like. Just dont tell me how I have to interpret them.
I know bigotry and sexism when I see it. The fact that you dont? That’s your problem.
Chas - sort of like the Irish - and bringing those groups together finally worked.
Chas and KFG,
You might not have a problem with the “Well Regulated” part of the 2nd Amendment.
You do have a problem with any type of comprehension of the 2nd Amendment and completely ignore the context of it, what the founding fathers meant when they wrote it, and what is actually said in it, when you highlight the “well regulated” part like you do.
bth (Ben?)
From the link:
Bush has suggested that Congress is preaching to the choir. Last week, he noted that Baghdad’s latest budget would outspend the U.S. by more than 10 to one on Iraq reconstruction, with American funding for large-scale projects “approaching zero.”
“Ultimately, we expect Iraq to shoulder the full burden of these costs,” he said.
The article explains it.
“You can interpret obama’s comments any way you like. Just dont tell me how I have to interpret them.”
Whatever. I never mentioned your name nor did I tell you how to interpret anything.
Awful touchy. BTW, that’s my opinion.
“A well regulated Militia, [National Guard?] being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people [this be you and me?]to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
I think the “shall not be infringed” part covers it.
Well, Naathan, aint that just too gosh drned bad — I happen to disagree with you — That doesnt mean I dont understand it, any more or less than YOU do… unless of course, you have hopped on the time machine, gone back in history, and watched and listened to those proceedings…
SolDevVB,
[sarcasm]
Oh, you mean there is more than the “well regulated” part?
I would never have known that by reading what KFG and Chas said.
[sarcasm]
“highlight the “well regulated” part”
Nathan, they can highlight any part of the constitution they want, anyone can - but there is no geting around the comma and the words that follow.
That’s the whole of it.
Chas,
Are you really that stupid?
I read. I know it is a hard concept, but the founding fathers wrote quite a bit on the subject and I READ about it.
And yes, you don’t understand it at all.
Just like you have no idea about self defense, you have no idea about ammo, and you have no idea about guns.
Nathan - say hi to your dad for me.
I personally stood at Cape Kennedy and watched the space shuttle take off. Now I am an expert on aeronautics, physics, propulsion, life-support systems in space, and space flight.
All that, without a Holiday Inn Express.
I saw a gun on Maverick, the rifleman, and the movie True Grit.
Now I am a firearms expert.
“We’re drowning, and all
because you vote for republicans.”
Boooo who. (sniffle, sniffle)
Gotta blame someone. Cannot accept personal responsibility.
It’s a democrat trait.
Operation Chaos is working
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOXVuGO_je8&feature=related
Gotta go. IRA’s to get signed.
Still, thousands paid in.
Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.
Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.
You have an amazing mindset, Nathan… I too have read most — if not all — that the founding fathers wrote about the Bill of Rights.
BUT — heaven forbid that somebody disagree with Nathan, because if they DO, then they cant possibly be reading it right!! And here I thought you only had that attitude about the Bible!! But now, I see that that mindset seems to work for you on anything!! Disagree with Nathan, and be told you are wrong — After all, HE has read it, and HE knows the real TRUTH!! Yea, sure, right!!
Scroll over material!!
Bye AmWay — Dont let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya!! LOL
American_Way
Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:51 pm | Permalink
Will be back for my trophy for providing for all those poor people when I get done. They could probably save the taxpayers some money if they just did a debit to my checking and a credit to an EIC recipients account.
Just hope they don’t start any new entitlement programs before I retire.
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Now, AmWay, every bit of that fits in exactly with what Obama said… And it is such a pile of neocon TRASH!!! You should be very qashamed of yourself!!
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
A well regulated militia. How can you contort that into “gun control” when it is followed by “shall not be infringed”?
every bit of that fits in exactly with what Obama said
What the hell are you talking about? You gotta link?
Sure Sol… YOU posted the link earlier, upthread!!
And if you havent learned to parse a sentence in the English language, I’m sorry, I dont have time to teach remedial reading on the Blog…
uhm… o..k..? I don’t see a link from me on this thread about Obama.
I dont have time to teach remedial reading on the Blog…
Sounds more lik you don’t have a clue. Whiffed on that one scooter
Alaska and vermont are the only states that remotely follow the 2nd Adm.
“ksfarmgrrl” –
“She didnt suggest the shot. She didnt suggest what KIND of shot. The BARTENDER said “how about Crown Royal” and she said “good idea”.”
I’ve seen the clip once. But I thought she said something like “Oh! The good stuff!”
Sounded to me like a desperate fat chick in a rural Kansas bar late on a Saturday night. (And, yeah, that’s sexist and fat-ist and probably elitist… but that’s what it sounded like.)
Certainly even you, “ksfarmgrrl,” are a bit nonplussed by Senator Clinton bragging about her duck-hunting. Doesn’t it border on silliness just a little bit?
You and I have seen posters such as the one previously known as “Nathan” who’s so afraid of the world he can’t go to the mail box without packing heat. And he clings to his religion so desperately he cannot even accept any theology but his own.
Consider the issues that really matter: Iraq, terrorism, healthcare, economic justice, equal opportunity, preserving and restoring constitutional rights… and this election will turn on Hillary Clinton shooting a duck?!
We’re nearly six months away from the election that really matters. Think there won’t be Bosnias and Rev. Wrights and Crown Royal shots and “Sunni vs. Shi’ites? Whatever…” moments between now and then?
And don’t you see how all these fringe “issues” have bearing on how any election turns out… probably to distract us from what really matters when the next President takes office?
“The town name included “crown” something, and that is why the tradition in that bar was Crown Royal.”
Yeah, and that’s an issue on which we should select the leader of the free world.
How did any of us get that crazy?
“I guess if you cant whip somebody on substance, you can always play loose with the facts.”
And if you consider boilermakers and duck blinds to be “substance,” you’ve got a clear choice in presidential candidates.
Ah, me…
Sorry Sollie — you know damned well what “well regulated” means… and what it might allow for with regard to laws…
A well regulated MILITIA chas.
And the Militia will carry what with them into a battle??? 5 smoothe stones from Brook Kidron, OR their firearms??? You all are always saying “Guns dont kill people; People kill people…” That MILITIA will be carrying guns — Now if the MILITIA is well regulated, then their firearms will be regulated along with them!!
What your precious, holy, and mighty 2nd Amendment does NOT say, is that the government has NO RIGHT to make laws concerning Guns and Gun owners… It does NOT say that, because the founders knew better than that!!
Uhm, chas?
Did you miss this part?
“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
The right of the people.
That be you and me chas.
To keep and bear Arms.
That means we get to have guns chas.
Shall not be infringed upon.
That means no laws chas.
Now, Sol, dont start this nonsense… I didnt say ONE WORD about the right to keep and bear arms… Not ONE WORD, But here you go jumping on me for something I did not say… You people really gotta stop doing that!! Makes you look bad!! There is NOTHING in your precious 2nd Amendment that denies the government the right to pass laws regarding guns, and/or gun owners… It simply isnt there!!
No Sol — Guns and gun ownership are not the TWO THINGS in the entire nation that government has NO say about!! I’m sorry… you are just plain wrong (I will restrain myself to not use the term ignorant)… The government can damn well pass laws regulating gun ownership, and gun controls… Such laws do not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms!!
Point “A”
I didnt say ONE WORD about the right to keep and bear arms… Not ONE WORD
Chas
Posted April 15, 2008 at 1:24 pm | Permalink
KFG says >>><
“And I do favor the “well regulated” part of the second amendment. I dont find that a problem.”
AMEEN!!! I second that!!
So…. what did you mean then chas?
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Point “B”
There is NOTHING in your precious 2nd Amendment that denies the government the right to pass laws regarding guns
“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Point “C”
Chas
Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:06 pm | Permalink
Sure Sol… YOU posted the link earlier, upthread!!
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Yeah… so where is that post?
can damn well pass laws regulating gun ownership, and gun controls… Such laws do not infringe on your right to keep and bear arms!!
Are you freakin kidding me? No really chas, this is just a joke right? Can you not see how you refuted yourself in the same sentence?
Point C — YOU posted Obama’s Quote… YOU find it!!
I still said nothing in either one of your points 1 OR 2, about your right to bear arms… R E A D C A R E F U L L Y
YOU posted Obama’s Quote… YOU find it!!
Whiffed again scooter. Just a liar chas. If not, prove me wrong.
laws regulating gun ownership
gun controls
Your words. Exactly how is that not infringing on an individual’s right to keep and bear arms?
Obama said (and you posted earlier) >>>>
“But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Now, what AmWay said about the poor folks is right in there “antipathy to people who arent like them or aanti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment” AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks… the ones whose jobs have gone aay in the past 25 or so years?? Everything AmWay said about his delusion of being forced to help these poor folks is all right here in Obama’s words…
Regarding your gun ownership… So, does a law requiring you to own car insurance prevent you from owning a car?? Does the requirement that you REGISTER your vehicle prevent you from owning your car?? Does failure to have a Driver’s License prohibit you from owning said automobile??
Why do you not see that reasonable controls on WEAPONS do not in any way, shape or form, prohibit you from owning a gun?? Even if a law says what TYPE of gun you cannot own… doesnt mean that you are prohibited from owning a different type…
Now, did you read all of that S L O W L Y??
Chas
Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:48 pm | Permalink
Obama said (and you posted earlier) >>>>
Such a liar chas.
Liar liar liiiiaaaaaaarrrr
And Sol, calling me a liar will not change what the Constitution does NOT say!! But, if you must — you know if you are clinging to them guns THAT hard… well, I guess you really cant help it…
SOL YOU posted from Obama’s quote earlier… Monkey Hawk even quoted from YOUR earlier post!! So, just stop calling ME a liar!!
“…shall not be infringed.”
Sorry, but that toothpaste is outta the tube.
If “shall not be infringed” is really a constitutional right, guns should be for sale in vending machines… in prisons, mental hospitals, and legislatures.
This so-called “sacred” right has been infringed upon six ways to Sunday. And no matter how crazed you find yourself when addressing the gun issue, most of you guys admit to a bit of diffidence when it comes to an un-infringed right to keep and bear arms when somebody is on trial for mass murder. So “…shall not be infringed” is a non-issue.
The right to keep and bear arms is and should be “infringed.”
Now we’re only talking about a matter of degree.
It’s like the old joke:
He says, “Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?”
She says, “Yes!”
He says, “Would you sleep with me for ten dollars?”
She says, “What kind of girl do you think I am?”
He says, “We know what you are. Now we’re negotiating the price.”
“…shall not be infringed” makes the 2nd Amendment as anachronistic as the 3rd Amendment.
Your imaginary unlimted “…right to keep and bear arms…” was lost long ago.
Consider reality. You’ll be happier.
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon on my person infringe on my right to bear arms?
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon in my vehicle infringe on my right to bear arms?
Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.
Read it S L O W L Y chas.
Chas
Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:58 pm | Permalink
SOL YOU posted from Obama’s quote earlier…
Then prove it liar.
The right to keep and bear arms is and should be “infringed.”
Nuff said.
HERE A$$OLE — YOUR POST >>>>
SolDevVB
Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:50 am | Permalink
Is he right or wrong?
“I’m sure they are bitter about being lied to. Whether they cling to anything is an assumption. Why they cling to guns or religion, and even if they do cling, is an assumption.
I personally took no offense to what the man said.”
Still don’t see a link, uhm A$$HOLE.
SolDevVB
Posted April 15, 2008 at 2:59 pm | Permalink
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon on my person infringe on my right to bear arms?
Do laws saying I cannot keep a weapon in my vehicle infringe on my right to bear arms?
Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.
Read it S L O W L Y chas.
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In a word, Sol — NO!!!
Why?? None of those restrictions say you cannot OWN a weapon…. Where do any of your cutesy examples say you cannot OWN a weapon?? NOWHERE!! Its in your dimly lighted BRAIN, Sol!! All in your head!! Hey, are you and Max, and Nathan all related??? That might explain it!!
Thats YOUR FRIGGIN POST Sol…. You want a link to your OWN POST???
chas,
Try using your “dimly lighted BRAIN” and read “keep and BEAR arms”
whiffed again scooter.
Chas, again, your “dimly lighted BRAIN”. You said that I posted a link regarding Obama. I have not. I called you on it and you still can’t fess up.
“dimly lighted BRAIN” indeed.
AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks…
Wow, not even in the same ball park. Go back and read the EIC part chas.
Sol, restrictions on “bearing” arms have been in existence since the beginning of this nation… It isnt some new thing thought up by stupid democrats… Been around a LONG time… Guess you must not read much, eh??
The Old West was full of towns where guns had to be checked at the door to the local saloons.. Dodge City was one of those… MANY towns hve always banned guns within the local city government buildings… and courthouses… and yea, even churches and hospitals…
IT AINT NEW, SOL!! GET OVER IT!!
“Yes, a law that states which type of weapon I may own is an infringement.”
There has to be some sort of limitations or restrictions, Mr. DevVB, or Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Michael Bloomberg could just go out and buy a few ICBM’s with nuke warheads, etc.
The question is not if, but how much?
SOL, WHY SHOULD I READ AMWAY’S STUPID REMARK ABOUT THE EIC AGAIN… IT WASNT TRUE THE FIRST TIME I READ IT… IT WONT BE ANY MORE TRUE NOW!!
IT AINT NEW, SOL!! GET OVER IT!!
Never said it was new. You lyin again chas?
I will never get over it.
You whine and bitch about Bush taking away civil liberties with the Patriot act and warrantless wire tapping, then you get your panties all in a wad when I want to defend a civil liberty.
Cafeteria style constitution for chas. Pick and choose what you want, screw the rest. Nice attitude chas. Liar.
Sol, Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata, is exactly what Obama means when he talks about the angry folks who have Antipathy toward those not like themselves… The VERY epitome of Obama’s words are in what AmWay said about poor folks, and about HIS money having to pay for somebody’s EIC (which is totally false)!!
SOL — Either you show me and the entire Blog where I have EVER said you cant have your guns…. or just forever stop badgering me about it!! You wont find anything, but, please, do try!!
buy a few ICBM’s
Agreed Mr. Clark. I don’t want my neighbor to have a 155mm howitzer. I don’t want m=one myself. I don’t own a fire arm.
It pisses me off when you get ill-informed (poster’s name left out) people that want to preach gun control when they don’t even fully understand the constitutional rights. When they don’t even fully understand the laws that are already in place that aren’t enforced.
They see a party line talking point and jump in.
Dammit Sol — Here is your blessed Obama post… Now — either you posted this, or you did not… It IS your post…. cant steal nics anymore….
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-415/#comment-331473
Sol, Amway’s dislike for those in the economic sub-strata,
He doesn’t dislike the people, he dislikes the tax code. Get a clue.
Obama means when he talks about the angry folks who have Antipathy toward those not like themselves
Immigration dolt.
and about HIS money having to pay for somebody’s EIC (which is totally false)!!
Whiffed again scooter. The gov’t. need X amount of “revenue” – read taxes. So they tax our income. When a sector of the populace “can not afford” to pay their share, that burden is passed on to others.
“AmWay seems convinced that his IRA’s will somehow help the poor folks…”
Excuse me. But I never said anything about my IRA’s helping the poor. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. I didn’t even imply that my IRA’s would help the poor. I merely stated I had to go take care of my IRA paperwork (Roth IRA’s over age 50), so I’d be leaving.
There are various types and requirements, but basically, anyone who ever worked and has bought IRA’s knows at some point in time (immediately for a deductible/in retirement for a nondeductible), IRA’s in some fashion (either base amount reduces immediate liability/interest amount decreased liability) REDUCE payment of my worth to the IRS/US Government. (It gets more complicated, but that’s why I go to someone else to do the paperwork and I sign).
But bottom line is an IRA helps shield or protect my money from taxation.
This would never help “the poor folk”.
Hence, I never implied that it would. Just that I had to leave.
But I’m baaaaack!
Chas
Posted April 15, 2008 at 3:26 pm | Permalink
Dammit Sol — Here is your blessed Obama post
Quite right, liar. And in said post is ne’ery a link. Liar.
“I don’t want my neighbor to have a 155mm howitzer.”
Damn, I don’t want my ex-wife to have a squirt gun, but that might be over doing it.
The bottom line gun control, or whatever you might want to call it, is that cooler heads on both sides need to address the issue upfront and fairly.
As I have posted many, many times - if the answer to the question is “more guns” then it is the wrong answer.
If the answer to the question is “no guns” it is still the wrong answer.
SO, you dont want your neighbor to own a 155mm Howitzer… But you dont believe in gun control, Sol!! How amazing!! You want CONTROL over what kind of gun your neighbor owns… But I cant say it because WHY??
And what in God’s Green Earth makes you think you know more about the Constitution than I do, or anybody else does?? You’re just like Nathan(iel)…. I disagree with you… so, therefore I am WRONG, and YOU are right… RIGHT!!! Wow, now we got that out in the open!!
Have fun, Sollie!! I do hope your neighbor doesnt go buy a 155 Howitzer!! After all, you wouldnt want to RESTRICT what kind of gun he owns, now would you??
just too damned funny!!! ROFLMAO!!!
Sol, I never SAID there was a link… I STATED, perfectly clearly, so that even YOU could understand, that you posted earlier from Obama’s speech… NO LINK was ever mentioned!!! YOU were the one w