Cold Temperatures Freeze Gardening Season
By Mark Geary, Reporter
“MARION, IOWA – All of this cold weather is freezing the start of the gardening season. Now, outdoor fans are eager for a warm-up.”
“I’m 71-years-old and I’ve never seen spring come this late,” Robert Ciesleck said.”
Story; http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/17646694.html
As I look at the frozen tips on the plants in the flower bed this morning, and have the stove going in the family room trying keep warm here during the middle of April, I ponder why more isn’t being done RIGHT NOW to stop this Anthropological Global Warming. If it progress much further I’m going to have to migrate south just to survive.
It makes little sense to me to talk of higher taxes on fuels and CO2 or carbon credits, ad nauseum, when we are having to spend so much for heating now. I guess some folks just need to worry about something, and try and manipulate others lives at the same time.
Abhu Ghraib MP’s should have a new trial with the ‘torture being sanctioned from above’ as a legitimate defense. It’s not fair that only the “Principals” have blanket legal protection. Bush was purposely left out of the loop, so the last stop gap could be a presidential pardon.
And a German citizen ignored by the US court system despite his kidnapping and torture by the CIA has brought his case to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. In 2003, Khaled El-Masri was seized in Macedonia and flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a secret prison and tortured. Attorneys say his kidnapping and torture has left him a “psychological wreck.” Last year, El-Masri lost a final Supreme Court appeal to have his case heard in a US court. The Bush administration had invoked the so-called “state secrets” privilege to deny El-Masri a trial. This week, the American Civil Liberties Union said it would petition the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights to demand an apology from the White House.
Is Kansas really the #10 “pro-business” state in the U.S.?
An annual report by the Pollina Corporate Real Estate group again lists Kansas as the #10 pro-business state. Dr. Ronald R Pollina says “Kansas lead creating a low-tax, low red-tape, and pro-job growth business climate.” And Kansas gets this #10 ranking at the same time bureaucratic red-tape is killing a new power plant that would provide energy and jobs in Western Kansas? Does this ranking make any sense?
The #10 pro-business ranking for Kansas in the Pollina study does not appear to be justified based on studies made by other business and economic groups, which rank Kansas much lower, around #30.
Gov. Sebelius should explain how she can tout the #10 ranking from the Pollina study at the same time she is using regulatory red-tape to kill a $3.6 billion project, which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.
Please watch out for Exit/Depature Pardons from Bush. Look at who/whom will need and get them. Congress included. Herbert West III, wen2k.com west.herb@yhoo.com
Way to go, brandishing a silly metric like “pro-business climate” to badger the governor. It’s what we’ve come to expect of you.
In KSMeadowlark’s world, “bureacratic red tape” = the opposition of Kansas voters. Who do those silly voters think they are to stand in the way of out of state interests that want to pollute–sorry, DEVELOP–Kansas rather than their own states?
Needed - strong but light materials. Also need to be corrosion-resistant. Sounds like aircraft components? NO. WIND TURBINES. These are usually imported since the US does not have the manufacturing capacity for them. Might this be a job-creating industry that could take advantage of the technologies we have here in Wichita?
ksfg - after construction the coal plant wouldn’t hire a whole lot of people either. Both the coal plant and the turbines whould require a certain amount of maintainence. The turbines, however, would NOT suck the acquifer dry and WOULD generate royalties for dispersed land-owners.
Pro business means anti-people. For example, in a pro-business state pay day loan compaines are given a free reign to plunder.
Pro-business also means that specialty interests dictate regulations concerning their specialites; thus, you can’t get a new pair of glasses without first seeing an optomitrist and you have to renew pet shots annually, even though many shots confer life-long immunity.
I imagine there are about a billion other little annoyances that add up to big bucks for biz, and poo on a stick for the rest of us.
Ben, I asked about sebelius’ alternative economic development plans for western Kansas. Not Wichita.
“These are usually imported since the US does not have the manufacturing capacity for them. Might this be a job-creating industry that could take advantage of the technologies we have here in Wichita?”
And this would help western Kansas, um, how?
Still waiting on those alternatives proposed by governor “leadership”. What are they?
ksfg - I agree with you that wind turbines will have a limited impact in that regard. And I also agree that eco devo is needed out there. However, I am not really sure where the state should do it as opposed to local initiatives. My think with the energy situation is that holcomb will HURT western KS; turbines at least help some.
I know that the ‘buffalo commons’ thesis is anathema to many out there but i think that with the depletion of water it might be something that must be looked at. Perhaps some combination of eco-tourism and hunting might bring in revenue and jobs? Chicago lawyers will spend a lot of money to bag a big buck.
If you made western kansas into the great savannah, ksfarm gal could be the great bwana. One thing is for certain; if these farm prices hold up, western kansas will be swarming with brokers. I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.
CF2K
Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink
“BlueJay,
Yeah, Boxlick consistently manages to be both ignorant and smug at the same time. Really something.”
And CF-nitwit consistently manages to be an obnoxious flamer.
His intolerance of anyone or thing that he disagrees with shows his fearful, shallow mentality.
Something I have wondered for some time, what is a “Boxlock”. Is it a chastity belt? Sorry for that, but I have been reading this novel set in the 12th century; that is my only excuse.
If you think this farmland is going to be so valuable, wouldnt it be MORE valuable if it had water? And the cost of inputs for crops has outpaced the prices of grains. Fertilzer, diesel fuel, seed wheat shortages, storage, transportation, etc. And have you looked at the prices for equipment lately?
Farmland prices have gone DOWN here.
And.. could you possibly translate this into English?
“I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.”
Care to backup that statement that erosion is a bigger “threat to population” than water shortages?
Jesus WEPT! You never met a water sucking ethnaol plant or coal burning plant you didnt love.
BlueJay Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:12 am
“DO learn the difference between weather and global climate before further embarrassing yourself.”
I’m am well aware of the difference, and also realize and was pointing out, that the perceptible differences in global climate and weather over recorded history are next to undetectable, that it gets hotter and it gets colder, BIG DEAL. Where you seem to feel man is omnipotent over the climate or weather in truth man, and certainly you, are impotent.
You are like the hypochondriac who frets their life away worrying over a disease that exhibits no symptoms.
I’ve got better things to do.
Once again, Boxlick refutes himself: if he had “better things to do,” presumably he’d be, well, DOING them.
Boxlick,
Huh. “No symptoms,” eh? I’d say the predictions about global warming have erred on the side of UNDERSTATING the problem, if this story is any indication.
“Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf — about 6,180 square miles (about the size of Northern Ireland)— was at risk of collapsing.
David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate.
“Wilkins is the largest ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula yet to be threatened,” he said. “I didn’t expect to see things happen this quickly. The ice shelf is hanging by a thread — we’ll know in the next few days and weeks what its fate will be.”
Moreover, Boxlick, you misrepresent the position of those scientists, and others, who argue for causal explanations of global warming. Nobody, to my knowledge, argues anything like your (mis-)characterization that “man is omnipotent” over weather phenomena. What people DO argue is that climate is a complex, multi-variable system, and that the introduction of man-made effects (i.e. exponentially higher CO2 levels) will have the sorts of effects we have, in fact seen.
I suppose evidence is in the eye of the beholder. But given your ideological commitments, Boxlick, your denial is both predictable and garden variety.
Not sure capn. I know Hank and nathan but I don’t know about RA. Unless, of course, I know the person but don’t connect him with the nic. (Could be my age showing … )
Boxlock
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Capn,
Nobody even cares what you think, least of all me.
You’re a puppet. The slightest pull on the string and off you go. What a joke.
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Sounds just like what Regular is always saying about CapN - eh?? LOL
Antarctic ice shelf did not just melt away
Feb 7 2008 by Abbie Wightwick, Western Mail
Link: http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/02/07/antarctic-ice-shelf-did-not-just-melt-away-91466-20444895/
“The claim we have made is that if you go through Nasa satellite images in sequence you see the changes (in the glacier) are not necessarily climate warming but to do with the way the shelf moves. It’s opening up anyway.”
“There is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything.
“The glacier may have been at the point where it was going to collapse anyway.”
The scientists examined Nasa satellite images of the glacier from the 1980s to 2002.
‘The Future of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet,
Exploring ice thickness, melting and global climate change’
By Marc Airhart, Jackson School of Geosciences, The University of Texas at Austin
“For Antarctica, the emerging picture is far more complex than the headlines. If the hypotheses of polar experts like Blankenship and Holt are correct, Antarctica might resemble less a block of ice liquefying in a sunny greenhouse than a cog in an intricate Rube Goldberg machine.
The surface of Antarctica is so cold and the ice so thick that raising the region’s air temperature a few degrees is not enough to cause significant melting. Instead, scientists have long suspected that warm water in the Amundsen Sea is flowing up under ice shelves—platforms of floating ice attached to the grounded ice sheet—and melting them from below. This increased melting speeds the flow of grounded ice sheet into the water.
But it’s unlikely these warmer waters result directly from recent climate change. By measuring oxygen content, oceanographers have discovered that the warm water welling up below the glaciers has not been near the sea surface in the past few centuries. In oceanographer’s terms, the water is “old.” It is part of a mass known as Circumpolar Deep Water connected to the North Atlantic through the globetrotting ocean conveyor belt. This water has been at depth for too long, scientists believe, for its temperature to reflect recent global warming.”
But you global warming alarmists will never look at anything but what supports your silly obsession.
And CF, I truly don’t care what Capn or you think really, you both are more of an simple amusement for me.
By the way, you say “Keep the self-refuting statements coming, Boxlicker. They save us the bother of interacting with you”, and then you do exactly that and interact. Pretty self-refuting I guess, ha. See, you are such a comedian, sad thing is you don’t mean to be.
Regular,
They, the Libs and especially those two above, are so self-important and self-centered it’s inconceivable to them everyone else doesn’t think just like they do. And, when there is more than one the paranoia sets in and off they go.
I won’t want to create different sign ins, I want them to know who is calling them knot heads as you put it, which is an understatement and a complement at that.
“The tracts of ice shelves bigger than New Hampshire breaking and falling into ocean mean nothing to you apparently.
The fact that ocean warming caused the first ever recorded hurricane events in South America mean nothing to you.
The unprecidented heat waves that kill thousands in Europe, massive floods and more frequent severe storms mean nothing to you.” CapnA……
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Over the past year, informal evidence has begun to stack up supporting a global cooling trend. For example, recently Baghdad saw its first snowfall ever, China has recorded its coldest winter in 100 years, and North America has more snow cover this year than it has had in the last 50 years. Additionally, record low temperatures have been recorded in Texas, Florida, Minnesota, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greenland, South Africa, Greece, Argentina, and Chile, to name a few.
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I think they call these weather variations. It demonstrates no one knows where the temp goes from here. Personally, if it has to go either way, which it does since it can’t remain static, I hope it gets warmer.
The superdelegates have to choose between either Obama, and his statements, or Hillary and hers. The rest of us get to wait on the superdelegates at the convention to decide which candidate will be on the ballot in November.
If integrity is important, and it is to me, what can we judge by the statements of the candidates.
First Obama:
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
“Now it may be that I chose my words badly. It wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last. But when I hear my opponents, both of whom have spent decades in Washington, saying I’m out of touch, it’s time to cut through their rhetoric and look at the reality,” he said.”
It appears his statement was true, but he may have chosen the wrong words to express it. So we can judge him on the content of his statement, and his admission to it.
Thanks outlander! Well put. Agreed.
“I think they call these weather variations… Personally, if it has to go either way, which it does since it can’t remain static, I hope it gets warmer.”
Cleverly understated, ha. Unlike the knuckle heads above.
Clinton has been caught telling a lie so flagrant, so self-serving and so unnecessary that it takes your breath away. The media are on to her, and they’re beginning to unload.
Here’s how it unfolded. On March 17, at a speech at George Washington University Hillary lied, “I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn’t go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.” She also told CNN the preceding week: “There was no greeting ceremony and we were basically told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened.”
By Monday evening, 17 March, Clinton was saying that she “misspoke” on Bosnia, which, of course, she hadn’t. The only credible explanation for her incredible remarks is that she lied and got caught.
April 11th: Bill Clinton said “the news media treated her like she had “robbed a bank” and claimed “she was experiencing end-of-day fatigue”, (even though she had made the claim in morning speeches).
On April 11th, Bill Clinton insulted all of us by telling another lie, to cover Hillary’s lie. (or is this a misspoken about mispoke) Hillary made her comments repeatedly before being caught. Bill dismisses them as being late night and implies Hillary was tired - both more lies.
(Or, Hillary really is not capable of delivering at that 3 AM phone call.)
Conclusion: Obama has integrity. Hillary lies and says nothing.
It’s like the Antarctic Ice Shelves. There was a big hoopla over the far NorthWest Ice shelf melting. At the same time the southern and Eastern Ice shelves were getting bigger.
The key here, is that the climate occurring today in our lifetime takes THOUSANDS of years to make any changes to ice shelves.
Any melting of ice shelves anywhere on earth are most likely the result of climate change occuring hundreds if not a thousand year ago.
Evidently, the research scientists you cite share the conviction that Global Warming exists and is measurable–a conviction you call a “silly obsession.” Here’s a bit you actually edited out of the first article to make your point:
“But Prof Glasser doesn’t doubt that climate change exists and must be slowed.
“I don’t want to be a climate change sceptic,” he said.
“There are climate records showing it has been getting warmer.”
So, Boxlick, you’ve confirmed the claim I made above: that Global Climate Change is a multivariable phenomenon that is measurable, and whose anticipated consequences largely are coming to pass as ordered. Nothing you cited in either paper contradicts my assertion.
Oh, and Boxlicker? I never said I wasn’t going to interact with you, so you come up short, AGAIN. How does that feel, Boxlicker?
“It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:”
Let’s see, the blog opened with someone posting about unusual cold winter. Someone countered that you can’t use short term events to confirm it is not GW.
Then, later in the day, the above was posted, and it will be used to SUPPORT GW.
“It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:”
Let’s see, the blog opened with someone posting about unusual cold winter. Someone countered that you can’t use short term events to confirm it is not GW.
Then, later in the day, the above was posted, and it will be used to SUPPORT GW.
Global Climate Change is a multivariable phenomenon that is measurable, and whose anticipated consequences largely are coming to pass as ordered. Nothing you cited in either paper contradicts my assertion.
True statement.
However, Climate Change is going to happen whether there are any humans about or not.
Global Warming exists and is caused by man which is evil. It must be stopped no matter the cost.
EVERYTHING is proof of Global Warming caused by man. EVERYTHING.
I just hope this stupid debate goes on for another 15-20 years so the trend of temperature change doesn’t match the computer generations and all these worshippers of Climate Change Computer Model will be proven wrong.
Then again, they will just come up with something different, probably back to the Global Cooling scare.
AmWay - while I agree that single anecdotal items cannot be so used when we have a series of records then it adds up. The winter we just had was not ‘record cold’ as claimed but rather was just a bit warmer than normal:
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
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Said one Woolly Mammoth to another: “Why are these humans complaining about climate change! They know nothing of catastrophic climate change!”
But seriously, the argument for me is not one on “IF” we are getting warmer or colder. It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
The last Energy Bill, bragged about by democrats in congress, and applauded in the media, will do little to help the environment and actually will DELAY improved MPG with silly 2020 CAFE standards.
Democrats and republicans announced they were making change - but really it was window dressing for environmentalists and was exactly what the big three US Automakers directed.
The clamor for carbon credits is just another method of government to collect a revenue stream for their assorted pork projects. ANYtime you can give a politician from either party a new revenue stream - you will be a hero. We will pay the carbon tax - you and me. Not the CEO’s.
Yesterday, I posted some problems reported with wind energy. I was quickly called BS and in effect a liar by certain posters. Yet I provided a number of links to sources. I didn’t present it in a derogatory manner either.
But some will blindly pursue stopping the rail coal cars and no more coal, gas, or nuclear electric generators. May not suffer brown outs here where there is little demand. But someone will. And those new clean energy turbines will come at a cost in the form of higher utility bills. So we will empty another pocket.
It is the interest of BOTH sides, that the subject of GW, cleaner air, and more efficient energy production be studied and documented with pro’s AND con’s.
It seems fairly logical to me, that as the Polar regions are warming at faster and faster rates, that the polar wrming woul “push” the colder weather farther to the south ahead of it… This was predicted in a fictional novel by Colleen McCullogh, titled “A Creed for the Third Millenium” a number of years ago…
SolDevVB Posted April 14, 2008 at 11:54 am |
“Does seeing CF write “Boxlick” or “Boxlicker” make anyone else think about cunnilingus?”
Uh…NO, but it does sort of seem like CF has a heck of a crush or fascination with me, doesn’t it. And his choice of words in expressing that certainly could lead one to your thoughts. I think of it more like an immature child pestering another who is the object of their fascination. My wife, who teaches Kindergarten, see that frequently. It is simply an inappropriate and immature expression of attraction.
How about that CF, do you have a misdirected attraction going on here. I hope not, I find the thought repulsive, as I find you most of the time.
CF, you sited the following “David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate”, and you attributed it to global warming. You leave out, and I quote Prof Glasser:
““The claim we have made is that if you go through Nasa satellite images in sequence you see the changes (in the glacier) are not necessarily climate warming but to do with the way the shelf moves. It’s opening up anyway.
“There is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything.
“The glacier may have been at the point where it was going to collapse anyway.”
Again little man it’s a non-event as far as your or any man’s influence on it. Get use to the idea you don’t manage the world.
Typically unable to muster a nuanced argument, I see.
Specifically, how do you reconcile Professor Glaser’s statement that “there is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything” with your assertion that man’s influence with respect to climate change is a “non-event?” If Professor Glaser is right, then it IS a factor, if not the sole one; but you assert that it is NOT a factor, while introducing his view in support of yours.
Ever heard of the principle of noncontradiction, Boxlick? Can’t assert both A and not-A simultaneously, it’s only the MOST BASIC RULE OF ARGUMENTATION.
As for the name I call you, it is a bit of a disservice, since my favorable opinion of cunnilingus is in conflict with my references to you. Still, you were the one who chose a name that was easy to mock, and you are the one who continues to post illogical and bigoted nonsense. So long as you do so, you may also expect logical refutation and personal ridicule from you; you have demonstrated yourself to be amply deserving of both.
The Weblog doesn’t suffer fools gladly. If you continue to act the fool, Boxlick, you should expect to be treated as one.
It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
Exactly my view. That’s why I’ve posted before that if we’re going to be wrong, we’d better be wrong in the right direction. But I do find it telling that most (granted, not all) that promote global warming are non-profit, while most (again, not all) denying global warming recieve their funding from vested interests.
If we act like global warming is true and we set off an ice age, just throw another log on the fire and we’ll offset it. If we act like GW is a farce and it gets too warm, what are we going to do? Turn up the air conditioning and use even more fossil fuels?
“The rising temperatures are likely to cause the melting of at least half the Arctic sea ice by the end of the century. A significant portion of the Greenland ice sheet—which contains enough water to raise the worldwide sea level by about 23 feet (about 7 meters)—would also melt.
The consequences of such a massive meltdown of northern ice would be dramatic, according to the study.
• Low-lying coastal areas in Florida and Louisiana could be flooded by the sea. A 1.5 feet (50-centimeter) rise in sea level could cause the coastline to move 150 feet (45 meters) inland, resulting in substantial economic, social, and environmental impact in low-lying areas.”
nationalgeographic.com
I’m wondering, when The Artic Ocean is open sea, and Greenland is, well green, who will be damaged the most: Red or Blue people?
I notice clusters of Blue along both seaboards of the USA. Places of large urban populations but also the Kennedy playground at Hyannis Port would go under water.
But, there are signficant coastal properties of wealthy republicans (filthy evil rich) who have second homes and beach resorts along both coasts.
Most can afford to relocate (move to their ski resorts in the mountains), so I doubt they will drown.
We won’t ALL suffer. The lowest point in Kansas is 679 feet above sea level. So this red state will survive.
ghotiphaze
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
Exactly my view. That’s why I’ve posted before that if we’re going to be wrong, we’d better be wrong in the right direction. But I do find it telling that most (granted, not all) that promote global warming are non-profit, while most (again, not all) denying global warming recieve their funding from vested interests.
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I call B.S.
The GW Alarmists have goat-roped the World Bank in believing the Carbon Credit Ponzi scheme. There is also a great “blackmailing” of International companies to buy these carbon credits whether they want to or not.
Of course, you know who ultimately pays these carbon credit fees - you and me - the average consumer.
Meanwhile, people like the GORACLE, who is an investor in one of the world’s largest carbon credit firms is getting filthy rich on the backs of the working class and the poor.
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
What PROOF do you offer that Cabon Credits is a Ponzi Scheme?? Link please??
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As you’ve told others many times, find your own source, do your own research.
It is exactly a PONZI scheme.
If I own a factory in England, I can buy some torn up land in Guatemala and get my carbon credit balance sheet back in the black.
All the while, I can continue to spew out the same amount of carbon, because I have played the carbon credit PONZI game.
AmWay, I saw the other day that since DC is right at sea level, and connected to the potomac, which is connected to the bay connected to the ocean, a 1 foot sea rise compounded with a huricane (yeah, they get up to new york sometimes!) would put many areas of the capitol under 15 feet of water. But that’s a GOOD THING!
ghotiphaze,
The term Boxlock refers to a brilliantly designed side-by-side double barrel shotgun action designed in 1875 that hasn’t been improved on to this day in spite of numerous attempts.
“Of all the world’s shotgun actions, none is more imitated than the Anson & Deeley. If you buy a boxlock in Brazil, Turkey, Japan or anywhere in Europe, it will be built on the A&D system. It is a design so successful that more makers have built guns on it than most other designs combined.
The A&D action was patented (no. 1756) on May 11, 1875, and credited to William Anson, foreman of Westley Richards’ gun action department, and John Deeley, Managing director and major share-holder of that company.”
It is beautifully simple mechanically, tremendously reliable and very functional. Proving that what ‘was’ is still sometimes best. And the ‘latest’ is NOT aways the greatest, like many of the Liberal/Socialist/AGW ideas expressed here.
To equate the term on it’s own with what was insinuated by CF2K is simply juvenile gutter thought and shows where that mind resides. It also shows a very weak argument mentality.
Hamas Cleric Predicts ‘Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam’
A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that “the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital,” would soon be conquered by Islam.
The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas’ Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become “an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe.”
“Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion,” al-Astal preached, “so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da’wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.
“Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad,” he added.
Al-Astal last June preached how it was the duty of Palestinian women to martyr themselves by becoming homicide bombers.
“The most exalted form of jihad is fighting for the sake of Allah, which means sacrificing one’s soul by fighting the enemies head-on, even if it leads to martyrdom,” Foxnews.
Uh, I don’t think those will be effected much. It’s mainly the Mall, the lower few steps of the White House, etc.
Rats, there goes the Metro lines. I always enjoy riding the Metro in DC. Takes away the pain of the Shirley Hwy (I395).But from what you describe, it will cover up all the concrete barriers surrounding all our nations buildings. Possibly create some good fish cover..
And the Carbon Credit scam is exactly a PONZI scheme.
The selling of Carbon Credits does zero to reduce carbon emissions.
What it does is offer up land, forested areas or de-forested areas as a carbon offset even though the area being used as an offset has no geographical relationship with the carbon emitter area.
While Factory A in London is spewing out the same or increased amount of carbon, all it has to do is buy some land somewhere in the world and state it is not in violation of carbon emission standards.
I’ve only been to DC once. Stopover on a flight and only saw the terminal and the buildings from the air. It took me about the whole time to get from one terminal to the other.
And YOUR definition of Ponzi Scheme is better than mine because??? Because yours is Wikipedia?? and mine is from an investment web site?? Puhhh leeeze!!!
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
And YOUR definition of Ponzi Scheme is better than mine because??? Because yours is Wikipedia?? and mine is from an investment web site?? Puhhh leeeze!!!
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Yeah, your link gives four short paragraphs.
My link to Wiki, give an in depth look, history and evaluation of types of schemes.
So yes, the Wiki Ponzi description is much better than your four short paragraphs.
Regular, in the carbon footprint, EACH investor can make/save/whatever, the same as the first… The later investor is not penalized for buying his/her carbon footprint…
In the Ponzi Scheme (Like AmWay) just the early investors stand to make any money… because the funds run out… unless you get new investors…
Carbon footprints are not dependent on getting New investors, to subsidize the early investors…
In short, you are WRONG…. No Ponzi Sheme in global warming!! Tell Rush he is all wet on this one too!! LOL
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ghotiphaze
Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
You do cross reference your wiki articles, don’t you, Reg? It’s good for a quickie, but there is a lot of trash on it.
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Got anything relevant to say or are you just trolling as usual?
“Wal-Mart to log guns sold, then used in crimes
Largest seller of firearms will also videotape all transactions”
“J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes at a gathering of Bloomberg’s group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.”
With Nathan’s Christian sensibilities, I would have assumed he started boycotting Wal-Mart when it came out last week that the corporate big-wigs have been dressing in women’s clothes and putting on drag lingerie shows during the last thirty years of corporate meetings.
So your self-attributed nickname is phallic rather than yonic. No surprise that you feel a need to overcompensate: your underperformance is evident to everyone who reads this blog.
Oh, and though I generally frown on referring to people’s families (and to pointing out the grammatically obvious), here’s a bit of unsolicited advice, Boxlick: you ought to ask your wife (who teaches kindergarten, as you have informed us) for some lessons in English grammar and usage.
The smarter you try to sound, Boxlick, the more laughable you become. “A very weak argument mentality,” indeed.
A fraudulent investing scam that promises high rates of return at little risk to investors. The scheme generates returns for older investors by acquiring new investors. This scam actually yields the promised returns to earlier investors, as long as there are more new investors.
The Ponzi scam is named after Charles Ponzi, a clerk in Boston who first orchestrated such a scheme in 1919.
A Ponzi scheme is similar to a pyramid scheme in that both are based on using new investors’ funds to pay the earlier backers. One difference between the two schemes is that the Ponzi mastermind gathers all relevant funds from new investors and then distributes them. Pyramid schemes, on the other hand, allow each investor to directly benefit depending on how many new investors are recruited. In this case, the person on the top of the pyramid does not at any point have access to all the money in the system.
For both schemes, however, eventually there isn’t enough money to go around and the schemes unravel.
CF2K,
What does a shotgun action have to do with phallic.
You poor pathetic numskull, are you on some sex offender list? That’s all you seem able to think about.
You are quite experienced at losing any argument you start obviously as you can’t refrain from misusing nics and attacking anyone you don’t agree with. Your week argument mentality is proven by your predictable denigration of anyone you are losing too.
CF you are a person to be pitied and don’t know when to stop proving it.
Obviously the things I say get to you enough you can’t keep from replying, and you seem to understand every word in my posts so they are certainly effective enough.
Now, lets see you prove it again, dummy.
JR, you’re so full of paranoia it’s funny.
And I usually don’t find humor in sad personalities like your’s.
Think whatever you wish, obviously you’re entitled to that regardless of how ignorant it is.
Amaerican_way: Don’t take every Islamic hubrise on Fox as a genuine “gonna-getcha.” At Easter the Pope publicly baptized a famous leading Italian Moslem, producing an expected backlash, though not as bad as the Danish Cartoons. I’ve seen some goofy things about the conversion of the Jews as a Christian tenet of faith. Aren’t there a few right wing people who pray for Jewish conversion, hastening Armageddon and the rapture or something like that? At the least the Moslems aren’t gonna engineer the end of the world after converting the Roman Church. The threats refer to enemies of Islam only, not friends. We know that Islamic Spain treated Christians and Jews quite well for centuries, producing a glorious, multicultural society well ahead of Europe in the arts, sciences and humanities. It was the Cathloic retaking of the Iberian Peninsula that re-introduced cruelty to all, Moslems, Jews and not-up-to-snuff Catholics alike.
Wow! Walmart is actually gonna comply with the 1968 Gun Control Act!
The FFL selling new guns has had to keep records on gun sales for 40 years now. That’s how they trace guns used in crimes - from the Manufacturer, to the FFL, to the buyer of the gun used in a crime.
Whoopee! Now Walmart will:
- Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.
So? If I legally buy a gun and use it in a crime, won’t I be a felon and unable to legally buy a gun at Walmart or anywhere else? BFD. Already complies with existing laws and is redundent with the Federal instant check system.
-Retaining the recorded images of gun sales in case law enforcement wants to view them later as part of an investigation.
Fine. Big brother at his best. They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room! The Feds have your name, address, and other personal info from the paperwork you sign when you buy the gun. My picture is already on the photo ID I provide when buying a gun. Keep my picture. Couldn’t care less.
-Expanding background checks of employees who handle guns and expanding inventory controls.
Wow! To ensure that the felons that Walmart hires are not allowed to sell guns! Complying with a 40-year old law is a bad thing?
You people, who are for the working man, should not be buying all this Chinese crap from Walmart anyway! I thought you cared about hard working Americans?
Two days before BOHA Executive Director Larry Buening and Chief Counsel Mark Stafford were forced to resign after both houses of the legislature called for their firing, BOHA closed a formal complaint filed against abortionist quack Sherman Zaremski in 2007, again shielding abortion mill crimes from prosecution. Court documents, medical records, and even news reports clearly showed Zaremski never reported an 11-year old child’s pregnancy and abortion, as required by law, allowing perverted rapist Robert Estrada to continue his attacks on her and her sister for an additional four years. This is a case of the abortionist quack deliberately shielding the rapist and exposing children to years of additional abuse, known to be ongoing, in order to collect additional revenue from abortions.
The rest of the BOHA members will now also be forced to turn in their blinders.
We will have law enforcement. We will have justice.
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Candidate Obamanation, at a recent forum on faith issues at Messiah College, PA, admitted that he does not know when human life begins, while still attempting to justify his unflagging promotion of abortion, including taxpayer-funded, post-viable, partial-birth, and live-birth abortions.
Obamanation promotes, not respect for human life and dignity, not change, not hope, but more abortion mill profits.
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Sen. Sam Brownback, is calling on the Food and Drug Administration to reject bids from two human cloning companies, Geron Corp. and Advanced Cell Technology Inc., to start trials on humans with embryonic stem cells. Brownback says there are moral issues involved and medical risks for patients.
Embryonic stem cells are extremely unstable and unpredictable, causing tumors and uncontrollable tissue growth. Their use is unethical and has no prospects whatsoever for producing cures in humans. ACT is notorious for falsifying results of ESCR in order to drive stock prices up.
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Governor Butch Otter of Idaho has signed the first state law that helps prevent women from being pressured or coerced into having an abortion. Coercion involving violence will now be punished as a felony crime, whereas it seems that forcing a mother to contract the killing of her children using threats of job loss, career loss, scholarship loss, demotion, eviction, divorce, or withdrawal by family, friends, or boyfriend will be treated as misdemeanors.
Some mothers are made an offer they cannot refuse.
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A Williamsburg, PA High School girl on March 31 was the victim of attempted forced abortion and attempted poisoning, when someone slipped a cattle drug into her drink. The stolen drug was intended to cause abortions in cattle. Pennsylvania is one of 25 states that protect unborn babies with criminal penalties from such violent assaults throughout a pregnancy.
Clark, you are holier than thou? Don’t get mad Clark. Just cling to church and your guns.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
“(AmWay - quit p-o Clark. You keep making him mad and hurting his feelings by attacking Hillary!!!)”
Max, you ignorant slut - I have been an Obama supporter since Springfield. I have never supported Hillary’s White House bid.
“Farmland prices have gone DOWN here”– ks farm gal.
Maybe, but national trends are up. You’re some kind of chicken lady sitting on 40 acres aren’t you? You’re not a real farmer. Otherwise you wouldn’t blubber that po’ farmer b.s.
Here is just one of about 1,000 URL’s I found in five seconds concerning the explosive increase in farmland values.
Now as for fuel, even at $4 a gallon, the per acre per annum cost is around three or four dollars per acre. Nitrogen has doubled, but you are still looking at only about $20 per acre tops for N, and probably almost as much for Phos. $40 tops. Screw your seed wheat. Many farmers plant bin run. And as for equipment costs, sure it’s high, but if you figure your per acre costs, a tractor is still the cheapest per acre input. Sure they cost $200,000, but they do millions of acres over their lives.
And you don’t need new equipment each year.
I don’t think you’re a farmer at all, otherwise you wouldn’t innundate this board with such bullcrap about the occupation. I think you’re a hobby farmer, a pig slopper, with a few hundred acres and some chickens, and you have no more idea what farming is than a San Francisco hippy does.
You costs have not increased nearly enough to absorb your price increases. And don’t f with me on this subject. From 1997 to 2007, I put 600,000 bushels of wheat in the bin, along with 500,000 bushels of corn, and something like 40,000 bags of beans. I made money when wheat was $2.50. I made money when pinto beans were $12 a bag. I made money on buck and a half corn.
By the way, dryland farming depends on rain, not underground water. The water under the land has little to do with it’s value as the crop does not depend on irrigation. If you really were a farmer, you’d know that.
Same goes for you Clinton supporters, just admit Clinton is against the 2nd Amendment, and your lives will be easier. That’s one less lie Hillary will have to tell.
Oh, and when’s the last time Obama shot a gun? You Democrats are ALL against guns, aren’t you?
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“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.
Asked Sunday when she last fired a gun or attended church services, Clinton said the query was “not a relevant question in this debate.” Watch Clinton face questions on gun use »
“Asked Sunday when she last fired a gun or attended church services, Clinton said the query was “not a relevant question in this debate.” Watch Clinton face questions on gun use”
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That’s a lot of grain beber. I never dealt with big farms before. I have visited my great uncle’s farm down in Oklahoma (6.5 sections or was until he died)
It was ran much like a business rather than a small farm I was used to seeing.
Regarding irrigation, I did some “gun shooters” in Texas as a ‘ranch hand’ in high school. They were powered by an old 289 ford engine and drew the water out of a nearby winter. The only crop raised was winter wheat. The rest of the ranch were that cantankerous breed Char-brahs or whatever they were called (half Charlait, half Brahma.)
Anyway, that was the gawd-awfullest job I ever did. Wading knee deep in mud to move those #@#@ irrigation pipes around in the fields. High humidity fields and a hot Texas sun do not mix!
As a benefit for our low wages (1.50/hour), we got to hunt and fish on the land all we wished - that is, after the chores were done. :)
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Haven’t been around for a few days. Has the registration stopped the trolling?
Cold Temperatures Freeze Gardening Season
By Mark Geary, Reporter
“MARION, IOWA – All of this cold weather is freezing the start of the gardening season. Now, outdoor fans are eager for a warm-up.”
“I’m 71-years-old and I’ve never seen spring come this late,” Robert Ciesleck said.”
Story; http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/17646694.html
As I look at the frozen tips on the plants in the flower bed this morning, and have the stove going in the family room trying keep warm here during the middle of April, I ponder why more isn’t being done RIGHT NOW to stop this Anthropological Global Warming. If it progress much further I’m going to have to migrate south just to survive.
It makes little sense to me to talk of higher taxes on fuels and CO2 or carbon credits, ad nauseum, when we are having to spend so much for heating now. I guess some folks just need to worry about something, and try and manipulate others lives at the same time.
The American Civil Liberties Union is calling for a congressional investigation. ACLU legislative director Caroline Fredrickson said, “With each new revelation, it is beginning to look like the torture operation was managed and directed out of the White House. This is what we suspected all along.”
Let the games begin will congress react?
“I’m 71-years-old and I’ve never seen spring come this late,” Robert Ciesleck said.”
Y’know, I remember Easter ‘75 it blizzarding in that area. Maybe at 71 he just don’t remember.
Abhu Ghraib MP’s should have a new trial with the ‘torture being sanctioned from above’ as a legitimate defense. It’s not fair that only the “Principals” have blanket legal protection. Bush was purposely left out of the loop, so the last stop gap could be a presidential pardon.
CIA Kidnap, Torture Victim Takes Case to Inter-American Commission on Human Rights
And a German citizen ignored by the US court system despite his kidnapping and torture by the CIA has brought his case to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. In 2003, Khaled El-Masri was seized in Macedonia and flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a secret prison and tortured. Attorneys say his kidnapping and torture has left him a “psychological wreck.” Last year, El-Masri lost a final Supreme Court appeal to have his case heard in a US court. The Bush administration had invoked the so-called “state secrets” privilege to deny El-Masri a trial. This week, the American Civil Liberties Union said it would petition the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights to demand an apology from the White House.
More fun with torture…
“. I guess some folks just need to worry about something, and try and manipulate others lives at the same time.”
Yeah that’s pretty much how the bush admininstration got the freedom stealing “Patriot Act” past.
And then there IS that con nose trouble with folks’s sex lives.
Just for starters.
DO learn the difference between weather and global climate before further embarrassing yourself.
BlueJay,
Yeah, Boxlick consistently manages to be both ignorant and smug at the same time. Really something.
Is Kansas really the #10 “pro-business” state in the U.S.?
An annual report by the Pollina Corporate Real Estate group again lists Kansas as the #10 pro-business state. Dr. Ronald R Pollina says “Kansas lead creating a low-tax, low red-tape, and pro-job growth business climate.” And Kansas gets this #10 ranking at the same time bureaucratic red-tape is killing a new power plant that would provide energy and jobs in Western Kansas? Does this ranking make any sense?
http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2008/04-14.htm
Conclusions
The #10 pro-business ranking for Kansas in the Pollina study does not appear to be justified based on studies made by other business and economic groups, which rank Kansas much lower, around #30.
Gov. Sebelius should explain how she can tout the #10 ranking from the Pollina study at the same time she is using regulatory red-tape to kill a $3.6 billion project, which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.
Please watch out for Exit/Depature Pardons from Bush. Look at who/whom will need and get them. Congress included. Herbert West III, wen2k.com west.herb@yhoo.com
KsMeadowlark,
Way to go, brandishing a silly metric like “pro-business climate” to badger the governor. It’s what we’ve come to expect of you.
In KSMeadowlark’s world, “bureacratic red tape” = the opposition of Kansas voters. Who do those silly voters think they are to stand in the way of out of state interests that want to pollute–sorry, DEVELOP–Kansas rather than their own states?
“which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.”
She HAS offered viable alternatives. You just haven’t been paying attention.
More hate. Man, and I thought it was a good day. Guess Monday is just too much for some folks.
In terms of job creation, what would those alternatives be?
Wind generates very few permanent jobs, and the temporary construction jobs mostly send money out of state, or at least out of the region.
Y’all know I’m opposed to the holcomb plants. But…
I’m really curious about what sebelius has done for economic development in western Kansas.
Materials … aerodynamics …
Needed - strong but light materials. Also need to be corrosion-resistant. Sounds like aircraft components? NO. WIND TURBINES. These are usually imported since the US does not have the manufacturing capacity for them. Might this be a job-creating industry that could take advantage of the technologies we have here in Wichita?
I guess according to Meadolark the answer is NO.
And what is the value of this “economic development” vis a vis the value of the water?
Tell the truth guys. The only economic development sebelius has in mind for this region are wind farms and water mining for other purposes.
Other than that? I guess she thinks we can eat cake.
ksfg - after construction the coal plant wouldn’t hire a whole lot of people either. Both the coal plant and the turbines whould require a certain amount of maintainence. The turbines, however, would NOT suck the acquifer dry and WOULD generate royalties for dispersed land-owners.
Pro business means anti-people. For example, in a pro-business state pay day loan compaines are given a free reign to plunder.
Pro-business also means that specialty interests dictate regulations concerning their specialites; thus, you can’t get a new pair of glasses without first seeing an optomitrist and you have to renew pet shots annually, even though many shots confer life-long immunity.
I imagine there are about a billion other little annoyances that add up to big bucks for biz, and poo on a stick for the rest of us.
Ben, I asked about sebelius’ alternative economic development plans for western Kansas. Not Wichita.
“These are usually imported since the US does not have the manufacturing capacity for them. Might this be a job-creating industry that could take advantage of the technologies we have here in Wichita?”
And this would help western Kansas, um, how?
Still waiting on those alternatives proposed by governor “leadership”. What are they?
ksfg - I agree with you that wind turbines will have a limited impact in that regard. And I also agree that eco devo is needed out there. However, I am not really sure where the state should do it as opposed to local initiatives. My think with the energy situation is that holcomb will HURT western KS; turbines at least help some.
I know that the ‘buffalo commons’ thesis is anathema to many out there but i think that with the depletion of water it might be something that must be looked at. Perhaps some combination of eco-tourism and hunting might bring in revenue and jobs? Chicago lawyers will spend a lot of money to bag a big buck.
If you made western kansas into the great savannah, ksfarm gal could be the great bwana. One thing is for certain; if these farm prices hold up, western kansas will be swarming with brokers. I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.
A couple of years ago, we had a blizzard this time of year in Kansas.
The temperatures are entirely within normal fluctuations.
An old geezer in Iowa is not the consensus of climatologists around the globe.
Duh.
CF2K
Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink
“BlueJay,
Yeah, Boxlick consistently manages to be both ignorant and smug at the same time. Really something.”
And CF-nitwit consistently manages to be an obnoxious flamer.
His intolerance of anyone or thing that he disagrees with shows his fearful, shallow mentality.
KFG,
Thanks for the link on the Electoral College yesterday. Was busy then, but saw it today.
Something I have wondered for some time, what is a “Boxlock”. Is it a chastity belt? Sorry for that, but I have been reading this novel set in the 12th century; that is my only excuse.
Boxlock–
Sorry.
Gotta go with CF on this one.
You are ignorant and smug.
But then, that’s CONservativism in a nutshell: stupid and proud of it. Just look at Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly.
Stupid white men, and proud of it!
Ben, this is your post that I am asking about.
““which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.”
She HAS offered viable alternatives. You just haven’t been paying attention.”
I HAVE been paying attention. THAT is why I want you to back up this statement. TELL me what “alternatives” she has posed for western Kansas.
Or do you want to just admit she hasnt proposed a damn thing?
Sollie asks: Haven’t been around for a few days. Has the registration stopped the trolling?
You know . . . I think it has. The sock puppet parade hasn’t been out lately.
It hasn’t stopped the “Gay Sex Incest” spam, but that’s entirely the fault of The Eagle.
Just because you force people to register, doesn’t mean you don’t have to ban users who abuse posting priviledges.
BTW, true to his word, GMC70 has not posted since registration began (as far as I have seen).
So registration has certainly been a positive so far . . .
Doorking=russell the roundhead=beber
Yer an idiot.
If you think this farmland is going to be so valuable, wouldnt it be MORE valuable if it had water? And the cost of inputs for crops has outpaced the prices of grains. Fertilzer, diesel fuel, seed wheat shortages, storage, transportation, etc. And have you looked at the prices for equipment lately?
Farmland prices have gone DOWN here.
And.. could you possibly translate this into English?
“I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.”
Care to backup that statement that erosion is a bigger “threat to population” than water shortages?
Jesus WEPT! You never met a water sucking ethnaol plant or coal burning plant you didnt love.
ksfg - as I noted, a wind farm will ahve at least some jobs effect. Also, the royalties will, at least in part, go into the local economies.
At least wind will not do HARM like the coal plant would do.
Just what kind of eco devo CAN the governor initaite for that region?
BTW - my ‘not paying attention’ comment was directed at KsMeadowlark and referred to the entire state; not just those counties.
Dittos, Ksfarmgrrl.
I couldn’t figure that out either. Dry, dusty conditions and wind are what cause erosion.
How do you combat that?
Water.
Duh.
BlueJay Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:12 am
“DO learn the difference between weather and global climate before further embarrassing yourself.”
I’m am well aware of the difference, and also realize and was pointing out, that the perceptible differences in global climate and weather over recorded history are next to undetectable, that it gets hotter and it gets colder, BIG DEAL. Where you seem to feel man is omnipotent over the climate or weather in truth man, and certainly you, are impotent.
You are like the hypochondriac who frets their life away worrying over a disease that exhibits no symptoms.
I’ve got better things to do.
Actually, soil blowing and flowing can be slowed by no-till farming and other conservation friendly tillage practices. And by grassing waterways, etc.
It is a problem, but NO WHERE NEAR the problem of water mining and water shortages.
And fixing the problem means taking land OUT of production. Which, duh, makes it less valuable…
Hey Ben / bth–
The poster who goes by “Right Angle” says that you can vouch for him that he’s not the same poster as Regular.
True or false?
Capn - I seem to recall RA being a different style (and thus person) from Regular but can never be certain.
Boxlock says that “global warming is a disease with no symptoms.”
Right.
The tracts of ice shelves bigger than New Hampshire breaking and falling into ocean mean nothing to you apparently.
The fact that ocean warming caused the first ever recorded hurricane events in South America mean nothing to you.
The unprecidented heat waves that kill thousands in Europe, massive floods and more frequent severe storms mean nothing to you.
Stupid and proud of it!
Check this out, pretty interesting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103296.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Ben–
“Right Angle” says you know him personally.
Once again, Boxlick refutes himself: if he had “better things to do,” presumably he’d be, well, DOING them.
Boxlick,
Huh. “No symptoms,” eh? I’d say the predictions about global warming have erred on the side of UNDERSTATING the problem, if this story is any indication.
“Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf — about 6,180 square miles (about the size of Northern Ireland)— was at risk of collapsing.
David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate.
“Wilkins is the largest ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula yet to be threatened,” he said. “I didn’t expect to see things happen this quickly. The ice shelf is hanging by a thread — we’ll know in the next few days and weeks what its fate will be.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23797247/
Moreover, Boxlick, you misrepresent the position of those scientists, and others, who argue for causal explanations of global warming. Nobody, to my knowledge, argues anything like your (mis-)characterization that “man is omnipotent” over weather phenomena. What people DO argue is that climate is a complex, multi-variable system, and that the introduction of man-made effects (i.e. exponentially higher CO2 levels) will have the sorts of effects we have, in fact seen.
I suppose evidence is in the eye of the beholder. But given your ideological commitments, Boxlick, your denial is both predictable and garden variety.
Capn,
Nobody even cares what you think, least of all me.
You’re a puppet. The slightest pull on the string and off you go. What a joke.
Not sure capn. I know Hank and nathan but I don’t know about RA. Unless, of course, I know the person but don’t connect him with the nic. (Could be my age showing … )
Yeah, I think he’s just lying.
Thanks for the info, Ben.
Boxlick,
Self-refutation #2: Boxlick SO doesn’t “care what Cap’N America thinks” that he’ll say so, by golly!
Keep the self-refuting statements coming, Boxlicker. They save us the bother of interacting with you.
Boxlock
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Capn,
Nobody even cares what you think, least of all me.
You’re a puppet. The slightest pull on the string and off you go. What a joke.
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Sounds just like what Regular is always saying about CapN - eh?? LOL
Antarctic ice shelf did not just melt away
Feb 7 2008 by Abbie Wightwick, Western Mail
Link: http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/02/07/antarctic-ice-shelf-did-not-just-melt-away-91466-20444895/
“The claim we have made is that if you go through Nasa satellite images in sequence you see the changes (in the glacier) are not necessarily climate warming but to do with the way the shelf moves. It’s opening up anyway.”
“There is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything.
“The glacier may have been at the point where it was going to collapse anyway.”
The scientists examined Nasa satellite images of the glacier from the 1980s to 2002.
‘The Future of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet,
Exploring ice thickness, melting and global climate change’
By Marc Airhart, Jackson School of Geosciences, The University of Texas at Austin
“For Antarctica, the emerging picture is far more complex than the headlines. If the hypotheses of polar experts like Blankenship and Holt are correct, Antarctica might resemble less a block of ice liquefying in a sunny greenhouse than a cog in an intricate Rube Goldberg machine.
The surface of Antarctica is so cold and the ice so thick that raising the region’s air temperature a few degrees is not enough to cause significant melting. Instead, scientists have long suspected that warm water in the Amundsen Sea is flowing up under ice shelves—platforms of floating ice attached to the grounded ice sheet—and melting them from below. This increased melting speeds the flow of grounded ice sheet into the water.
But it’s unlikely these warmer waters result directly from recent climate change. By measuring oxygen content, oceanographers have discovered that the warm water welling up below the glaciers has not been near the sea surface in the past few centuries. In oceanographer’s terms, the water is “old.” It is part of a mass known as Circumpolar Deep Water connected to the North Atlantic through the globetrotting ocean conveyor belt. This water has been at depth for too long, scientists believe, for its temperature to reflect recent global warming.”
But you global warming alarmists will never look at anything but what supports your silly obsession.
And CF, I truly don’t care what Capn or you think really, you both are more of an simple amusement for me.
By the way, you say “Keep the self-refuting statements coming, Boxlicker. They save us the bother of interacting with you”, and then you do exactly that and interact. Pretty self-refuting I guess, ha. See, you are such a comedian, sad thing is you don’t mean to be.
I didn’t even know you could speak welsh.
Paranoia still inflicting the Libs, even with a sign -in.
I bet some believe I actually care enough about this blog to create multiple sign-ins.
What knot heads…
Regular,
They, the Libs and especially those two above, are so self-important and self-centered it’s inconceivable to them everyone else doesn’t think just like they do. And, when there is more than one the paranoia sets in and off they go.
I won’t want to create different sign ins, I want them to know who is calling them knot heads as you put it, which is an understatement and a complement at that.
“The tracts of ice shelves bigger than New Hampshire breaking and falling into ocean mean nothing to you apparently.
The fact that ocean warming caused the first ever recorded hurricane events in South America mean nothing to you.
The unprecidented heat waves that kill thousands in Europe, massive floods and more frequent severe storms mean nothing to you.” CapnA……
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Over the past year, informal evidence has begun to stack up supporting a global cooling trend. For example, recently Baghdad saw its first snowfall ever, China has recorded its coldest winter in 100 years, and North America has more snow cover this year than it has had in the last 50 years. Additionally, record low temperatures have been recorded in Texas, Florida, Minnesota, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greenland, South Africa, Greece, Argentina, and Chile, to name a few.
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I think they call these weather variations. It demonstrates no one knows where the temp goes from here. Personally, if it has to go either way, which it does since it can’t remain static, I hope it gets warmer.
The superdelegates have to choose between either Obama, and his statements, or Hillary and hers. The rest of us get to wait on the superdelegates at the convention to decide which candidate will be on the ballot in November.
If integrity is important, and it is to me, what can we judge by the statements of the candidates.
First Obama:
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
“Now it may be that I chose my words badly. It wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last. But when I hear my opponents, both of whom have spent decades in Washington, saying I’m out of touch, it’s time to cut through their rhetoric and look at the reality,” he said.”
It appears his statement was true, but he may have chosen the wrong words to express it. So we can judge him on the content of his statement, and his admission to it.
Thanks outlander! Well put. Agreed.
“I think they call these weather variations… Personally, if it has to go either way, which it does since it can’t remain static, I hope it gets warmer.”
Cleverly understated, ha. Unlike the knuckle heads above.
Next Hillary:
Clinton has been caught telling a lie so flagrant, so self-serving and so unnecessary that it takes your breath away. The media are on to her, and they’re beginning to unload.
Here’s how it unfolded. On March 17, at a speech at George Washington University Hillary lied, “I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn’t go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.” She also told CNN the preceding week: “There was no greeting ceremony and we were basically told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened.”
By Monday evening, 17 March, Clinton was saying that she “misspoke” on Bosnia, which, of course, she hadn’t. The only credible explanation for her incredible remarks is that she lied and got caught.
April 11th: Bill Clinton said “the news media treated her like she had “robbed a bank” and claimed “she was experiencing end-of-day fatigue”, (even though she had made the claim in morning speeches).
On April 11th, Bill Clinton insulted all of us by telling another lie, to cover Hillary’s lie. (or is this a misspoken about mispoke) Hillary made her comments repeatedly before being caught. Bill dismisses them as being late night and implies Hillary was tired - both more lies.
(Or, Hillary really is not capable of delivering at that 3 AM phone call.)
Conclusion: Obama has integrity. Hillary lies and says nothing.
Outlander - I’d like to see verification of your claims. It seems to run counter to what this meterologist says:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=916&tstamp=200803
Melt date at Barrow Alaska getting earlier:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=65&tstamp=200803
It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp200802.html
I don’t think I have ever seen one this early in the Northern Hemisphere.
It’s like the Antarctic Ice Shelves. There was a big hoopla over the far NorthWest Ice shelf melting. At the same time the southern and Eastern Ice shelves were getting bigger.
The key here, is that the climate occurring today in our lifetime takes THOUSANDS of years to make any changes to ice shelves.
Any melting of ice shelves anywhere on earth are most likely the result of climate change occuring hundreds if not a thousand year ago.
This has been confirmed by scientists.
Phantom,
There was absolutley no evidence that proved what those sick soldiers did at Abu Gharib was apporved from the top.
The immediate Commander should be held responsible, but that is it.
Those soldiers were having their own little sex and porno ring as well.
They were just plain sick and twisted and the things they were doing to their prisoners were a reflection of that.
Does seeing CF write “Boxlick” or “Boxlicker” make anyone else think about cunnilingus?
Boxlick,
Evidently, the research scientists you cite share the conviction that Global Warming exists and is measurable–a conviction you call a “silly obsession.” Here’s a bit you actually edited out of the first article to make your point:
“But Prof Glasser doesn’t doubt that climate change exists and must be slowed.
“I don’t want to be a climate change sceptic,” he said.
“There are climate records showing it has been getting warmer.”
So, Boxlick, you’ve confirmed the claim I made above: that Global Climate Change is a multivariable phenomenon that is measurable, and whose anticipated consequences largely are coming to pass as ordered. Nothing you cited in either paper contradicts my assertion.
Oh, and Boxlicker? I never said I wasn’t going to interact with you, so you come up short, AGAIN. How does that feel, Boxlicker?
“It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:”
Let’s see, the blog opened with someone posting about unusual cold winter. Someone countered that you can’t use short term events to confirm it is not GW.
Then, later in the day, the above was posted, and it will be used to SUPPORT GW.
Can you have in both ways science?
Sol,
Sharp eye, there.
“It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:”
Let’s see, the blog opened with someone posting about unusual cold winter. Someone countered that you can’t use short term events to confirm it is not GW.
Then, later in the day, the above was posted, and it will be used to SUPPORT GW.
Can you have it both ways science?
Global Climate Change is a multivariable phenomenon that is measurable, and whose anticipated consequences largely are coming to pass as ordered. Nothing you cited in either paper contradicts my assertion.
True statement.
However, Climate Change is going to happen whether there are any humans about or not.
American_Way,
Have you not figured out the game yet?
Global Warming exists and is caused by man which is evil. It must be stopped no matter the cost.
EVERYTHING is proof of Global Warming caused by man. EVERYTHING.
I just hope this stupid debate goes on for another 15-20 years so the trend of temperature change doesn’t match the computer generations and all these worshippers of Climate Change Computer Model will be proven wrong.
Then again, they will just come up with something different, probably back to the Global Cooling scare.
Of course you are correct Nathan, but I have to point out the inconsistencies and unfactual matter when I see them.
AmWay - while I agree that single anecdotal items cannot be so used when we have a series of records then it adds up. The winter we just had was not ‘record cold’ as claimed but rather was just a bit warmer than normal:
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=916&tstamp=200803
Then again, they will just come up with something different
maybe something really stupid like El-keeta
Nathan - I hope you are right. And, if the coming data prove you wrong I hope you are man enough to admit that we scientists were right.
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
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Said one Woolly Mammoth to another: “Why are these humans complaining about climate change! They know nothing of catastrophic climate change!”
(chortles)
Good one fish!
But seriously, the argument for me is not one on “IF” we are getting warmer or colder. It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
The last Energy Bill, bragged about by democrats in congress, and applauded in the media, will do little to help the environment and actually will DELAY improved MPG with silly 2020 CAFE standards.
Democrats and republicans announced they were making change - but really it was window dressing for environmentalists and was exactly what the big three US Automakers directed.
The clamor for carbon credits is just another method of government to collect a revenue stream for their assorted pork projects. ANYtime you can give a politician from either party a new revenue stream - you will be a hero. We will pay the carbon tax - you and me. Not the CEO’s.
Yesterday, I posted some problems reported with wind energy. I was quickly called BS and in effect a liar by certain posters. Yet I provided a number of links to sources. I didn’t present it in a derogatory manner either.
But some will blindly pursue stopping the rail coal cars and no more coal, gas, or nuclear electric generators. May not suffer brown outs here where there is little demand. But someone will. And those new clean energy turbines will come at a cost in the form of higher utility bills. So we will empty another pocket.
It is the interest of BOTH sides, that the subject of GW, cleaner air, and more efficient energy production be studied and documented with pro’s AND con’s.
It seems fairly logical to me, that as the Polar regions are warming at faster and faster rates, that the polar wrming woul “push” the colder weather farther to the south ahead of it… This was predicted in a fictional novel by Colleen McCullogh, titled “A Creed for the Third Millenium” a number of years ago…
SolDevVB Posted April 14, 2008 at 11:54 am |
“Does seeing CF write “Boxlick” or “Boxlicker” make anyone else think about cunnilingus?”
Uh…NO, but it does sort of seem like CF has a heck of a crush or fascination with me, doesn’t it. And his choice of words in expressing that certainly could lead one to your thoughts. I think of it more like an immature child pestering another who is the object of their fascination. My wife, who teaches Kindergarten, see that frequently. It is simply an inappropriate and immature expression of attraction.
How about that CF, do you have a misdirected attraction going on here. I hope not, I find the thought repulsive, as I find you most of the time.
CF, you sited the following “David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate”, and you attributed it to global warming. You leave out, and I quote Prof Glasser:
““The claim we have made is that if you go through Nasa satellite images in sequence you see the changes (in the glacier) are not necessarily climate warming but to do with the way the shelf moves. It’s opening up anyway.
“There is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything.
“The glacier may have been at the point where it was going to collapse anyway.”
Again little man it’s a non-event as far as your or any man’s influence on it. Get use to the idea you don’t manage the world.
Boxlicker,
Typically unable to muster a nuanced argument, I see.
Specifically, how do you reconcile Professor Glaser’s statement that “there is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything” with your assertion that man’s influence with respect to climate change is a “non-event?” If Professor Glaser is right, then it IS a factor, if not the sole one; but you assert that it is NOT a factor, while introducing his view in support of yours.
Ever heard of the principle of noncontradiction, Boxlick? Can’t assert both A and not-A simultaneously, it’s only the MOST BASIC RULE OF ARGUMENTATION.
As for the name I call you, it is a bit of a disservice, since my favorable opinion of cunnilingus is in conflict with my references to you. Still, you were the one who chose a name that was easy to mock, and you are the one who continues to post illogical and bigoted nonsense. So long as you do so, you may also expect logical refutation and personal ridicule from you; you have demonstrated yourself to be amply deserving of both.
The Weblog doesn’t suffer fools gladly. If you continue to act the fool, Boxlick, you should expect to be treated as one.
It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
Exactly my view. That’s why I’ve posted before that if we’re going to be wrong, we’d better be wrong in the right direction. But I do find it telling that most (granted, not all) that promote global warming are non-profit, while most (again, not all) denying global warming recieve their funding from vested interests.
If we act like global warming is true and we set off an ice age, just throw another log on the fire and we’ll offset it. If we act like GW is a farce and it gets too warm, what are we going to do? Turn up the air conditioning and use even more fossil fuels?
The Muppet poster CF2K is certainly ‘froggy’ today. Perhaps it’s his inner Kermit.
(chortles)
Uh…NO, but it does sort of seem like CF has a heck of a crush or fascination with me, doesn’t it.
You have to admit, your nick just has a way of bringing out that thought. Natural way the brain works. Like my nick brings to mind ghost.
http://www.linktv.org/video/2142
It’s nearly an hour and a half, but it’s fun.
“The rising temperatures are likely to cause the melting of at least half the Arctic sea ice by the end of the century. A significant portion of the Greenland ice sheet—which contains enough water to raise the worldwide sea level by about 23 feet (about 7 meters)—would also melt.
The consequences of such a massive meltdown of northern ice would be dramatic, according to the study.
• Low-lying coastal areas in Florida and Louisiana could be flooded by the sea. A 1.5 feet (50-centimeter) rise in sea level could cause the coastline to move 150 feet (45 meters) inland, resulting in substantial economic, social, and environmental impact in low-lying areas.”
nationalgeographic.com
I’m wondering, when The Artic Ocean is open sea, and Greenland is, well green, who will be damaged the most: Red or Blue people?
I notice clusters of Blue along both seaboards of the USA. Places of large urban populations but also the Kennedy playground at Hyannis Port would go under water.
But, there are signficant coastal properties of wealthy republicans (filthy evil rich) who have second homes and beach resorts along both coasts.
Most can afford to relocate (move to their ski resorts in the mountains), so I doubt they will drown.
We won’t ALL suffer. The lowest point in Kansas is 679 feet above sea level. So this red state will survive.
Maybe there is a silver lining.
ghotiphaze
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
Exactly my view. That’s why I’ve posted before that if we’re going to be wrong, we’d better be wrong in the right direction. But I do find it telling that most (granted, not all) that promote global warming are non-profit, while most (again, not all) denying global warming recieve their funding from vested interests.
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I call B.S.
The GW Alarmists have goat-roped the World Bank in believing the Carbon Credit Ponzi scheme. There is also a great “blackmailing” of International companies to buy these carbon credits whether they want to or not.
Of course, you know who ultimately pays these carbon credit fees - you and me - the average consumer.
Meanwhile, people like the GORACLE, who is an investor in one of the world’s largest carbon credit firms is getting filthy rich on the backs of the working class and the poor.
What PROOF do you offer that Cabon Credits is a Ponzi Scheme?? Link please??
http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/reports_research.html
That’s just ONE paying out.
And BTW, reg, remember I derive some of my income from the oil industry.
is getting filthy rich on the backs of the working class and the poor.
Sorry, I find that somewhat ironic coming from such a staunch supporter of Halliburton, Blackwater, CACI, Titan, etc.,
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
What PROOF do you offer that Cabon Credits is a Ponzi Scheme?? Link please??
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As you’ve told others many times, find your own source, do your own research.
It is exactly a PONZI scheme.
If I own a factory in England, I can buy some torn up land in Guatemala and get my carbon credit balance sheet back in the black.
All the while, I can continue to spew out the same amount of carbon, because I have played the carbon credit PONZI game.
AmWay, I saw the other day that since DC is right at sea level, and connected to the potomac, which is connected to the bay connected to the ocean, a 1 foot sea rise compounded with a huricane (yeah, they get up to new york sometimes!) would put many areas of the capitol under 15 feet of water. But that’s a GOOD THING!
ghotiphaze,
The term Boxlock refers to a brilliantly designed side-by-side double barrel shotgun action designed in 1875 that hasn’t been improved on to this day in spite of numerous attempts.
“Of all the world’s shotgun actions, none is more imitated than the Anson & Deeley. If you buy a boxlock in Brazil, Turkey, Japan or anywhere in Europe, it will be built on the A&D system. It is a design so successful that more makers have built guns on it than most other designs combined.
The A&D action was patented (no. 1756) on May 11, 1875, and credited to William Anson, foreman of Westley Richards’ gun action department, and John Deeley, Managing director and major share-holder of that company.”
It is beautifully simple mechanically, tremendously reliable and very functional. Proving that what ‘was’ is still sometimes best. And the ‘latest’ is NOT aways the greatest, like many of the Liberal/Socialist/AGW ideas expressed here.
To equate the term on it’s own with what was insinuated by CF2K is simply juvenile gutter thought and shows where that mind resides. It also shows a very weak argument mentality.
“many areas of the capitol under 15 feet of water. But that’s a GOOD THING!”
Yes it is: high murder rate plus they ban guns!
Just curious: Would liberals just ignore this?
Hamas Cleric Predicts ‘Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam’
A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that “the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital,” would soon be conquered by Islam.
The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas’ Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become “an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe.”
“Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion,” al-Astal preached, “so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da’wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.
“Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad,” he added.
Al-Astal last June preached how it was the duty of Palestinian women to martyr themselves by becoming homicide bombers.
“The most exalted form of jihad is fighting for the sake of Allah, which means sacrificing one’s soul by fighting the enemies head-on, even if it leads to martyrdom,” Foxnews.
Not a threat?
The term Boxlock refers to a brilliantly designed side-by-side
I thought it was my Master Combo on my locker.
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Yes it is: high murder rate plus they ban guns!
Uh, I don’t think those will be effected much. It’s mainly the Mall, the lower few steps of the White House, etc.
Not a threat?
No worse than Tom Tancredo talking about bombing Mecca.
Regular, what you described above as a Ponzi Scheme, doesnt even come close to the definition >>>>
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
“No worse than Tom Tancredo talking about bombing Mecca.”
Teaching generations of Muslim believers in their faith martyrdom in taking over the world. Not our problem? Ignore it and it will “go away”?
Or perhaps the hate exists on the same scale as Rev. Jeremiah Wright?
Uh, I don’t think those will be effected much. It’s mainly the Mall, the lower few steps of the White House, etc.
Rats, there goes the Metro lines. I always enjoy riding the Metro in DC. Takes away the pain of the Shirley Hwy (I395).But from what you describe, it will cover up all the concrete barriers surrounding all our nations buildings. Possibly create some good fish cover..
Chas,
This definition is better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
And the Carbon Credit scam is exactly a PONZI scheme.
The selling of Carbon Credits does zero to reduce carbon emissions.
What it does is offer up land, forested areas or de-forested areas as a carbon offset even though the area being used as an offset has no geographical relationship with the carbon emitter area.
While Factory A in London is spewing out the same or increased amount of carbon, all it has to do is buy some land somewhere in the world and state it is not in violation of carbon emission standards.
It’s a pure crock.
create some good fish cover..
8^b~~~~
I’ve only been to DC once. Stopover on a flight and only saw the terminal and the buildings from the air. It took me about the whole time to get from one terminal to the other.
And YOUR definition of Ponzi Scheme is better than mine because??? Because yours is Wikipedia?? and mine is from an investment web site?? Puhhh leeeze!!!
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
And YOUR definition of Ponzi Scheme is better than mine because??? Because yours is Wikipedia?? and mine is from an investment web site?? Puhhh leeeze!!!
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Yeah, your link gives four short paragraphs.
My link to Wiki, give an in depth look, history and evaluation of types of schemes.
So yes, the Wiki Ponzi description is much better than your four short paragraphs.
Got anything else?
Or are you just arm flailing?
Regular, in the carbon footprint, EACH investor can make/save/whatever, the same as the first… The later investor is not penalized for buying his/her carbon footprint…
In the Ponzi Scheme (Like AmWay) just the early investors stand to make any money… because the funds run out… unless you get new investors…
Carbon footprints are not dependent on getting New investors, to subsidize the early investors…
In short, you are WRONG…. No Ponzi Sheme in global warming!! Tell Rush he is all wet on this one too!! LOL
You do cross reference your wiki articles, don’t you, Reg? It’s good for a quickie, but there is a lot of trash on it.
Rush he is all wet on this one too!!
He’s flat and dry so get off his back.
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ghotiphaze
Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
You do cross reference your wiki articles, don’t you, Reg? It’s good for a quickie, but there is a lot of trash on it.
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Got anything relevant to say or are you just trolling as usual?
ghotiphaze
DNFTT
Ok, it was friendly advice. Sorry, it won’t happen again.
Damn, this is going to piss off Nathan and Max…..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24114145/
“Wal-Mart to log guns sold, then used in crimes
Largest seller of firearms will also videotape all transactions”
“J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes at a gathering of Bloomberg’s group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.”
I wonder when they will boycott?
With Nathan’s Christian sensibilities, I would have assumed he started boycotting Wal-Mart when it came out last week that the corporate big-wigs have been dressing in women’s clothes and putting on drag lingerie shows during the last thirty years of corporate meetings.
Boxlick,
So your self-attributed nickname is phallic rather than yonic. No surprise that you feel a need to overcompensate: your underperformance is evident to everyone who reads this blog.
Oh, and though I generally frown on referring to people’s families (and to pointing out the grammatically obvious), here’s a bit of unsolicited advice, Boxlick: you ought to ask your wife (who teaches kindergarten, as you have informed us) for some lessons in English grammar and usage.
The smarter you try to sound, Boxlick, the more laughable you become. “A very weak argument mentality,” indeed.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
Ponzi Scheme
A fraudulent investing scam that promises high rates of return at little risk to investors. The scheme generates returns for older investors by acquiring new investors. This scam actually yields the promised returns to earlier investors, as long as there are more new investors.
The Ponzi scam is named after Charles Ponzi, a clerk in Boston who first orchestrated such a scheme in 1919.
A Ponzi scheme is similar to a pyramid scheme in that both are based on using new investors’ funds to pay the earlier backers. One difference between the two schemes is that the Ponzi mastermind gathers all relevant funds from new investors and then distributes them. Pyramid schemes, on the other hand, allow each investor to directly benefit depending on how many new investors are recruited. In this case, the person on the top of the pyramid does not at any point have access to all the money in the system.
For both schemes, however, eventually there isn’t enough money to go around and the schemes unravel.
CF2K,
What does a shotgun action have to do with phallic.
You poor pathetic numskull, are you on some sex offender list? That’s all you seem able to think about.
You are quite experienced at losing any argument you start obviously as you can’t refrain from misusing nics and attacking anyone you don’t agree with. Your week argument mentality is proven by your predictable denigration of anyone you are losing too.
CF you are a person to be pitied and don’t know when to stop proving it.
Obviously the things I say get to you enough you can’t keep from replying, and you seem to understand every word in my posts so they are certainly effective enough.
Now, lets see you prove it again, dummy.
Teaching generations of Muslim believers in their faith martyrdom in taking over the world. Not our problem? Ignore it and it will “go away”?
What the hell are you talking about? Wahhabi fundamentalism? Hamas? Or just one inflammatory Hamas MP?
Start making sense, if you can.
Until they are in the same room at the same time?
“Boxlock” is “Regular”.
JR, you’re so full of paranoia it’s funny.
And I usually don’t find humor in sad personalities like your’s.
Think whatever you wish, obviously you’re entitled to that regardless of how ignorant it is.
“Wal-Mart to log guns sold, then used in crimes
Largest seller of firearms will also videotape all transactions”
The problem is the Wal-Marts in Wichita do not sell guns.
Rage — Wasnt that a reference from upthread to Obaba??
** Obama even **
RE: WALMART
That would be a good thing Hud
Amaerican_way: Don’t take every Islamic hubrise on Fox as a genuine “gonna-getcha.” At Easter the Pope publicly baptized a famous leading Italian Moslem, producing an expected backlash, though not as bad as the Danish Cartoons. I’ve seen some goofy things about the conversion of the Jews as a Christian tenet of faith. Aren’t there a few right wing people who pray for Jewish conversion, hastening Armageddon and the rapture or something like that? At the least the Moslems aren’t gonna engineer the end of the world after converting the Roman Church. The threats refer to enemies of Islam only, not friends. We know that Islamic Spain treated Christians and Jews quite well for centuries, producing a glorious, multicultural society well ahead of Europe in the arts, sciences and humanities. It was the Cathloic retaking of the Iberian Peninsula that re-introduced cruelty to all, Moslems, Jews and not-up-to-snuff Catholics alike.
Wow! Walmart is actually gonna comply with the 1968 Gun Control Act!
The FFL selling new guns has had to keep records on gun sales for 40 years now. That’s how they trace guns used in crimes - from the Manufacturer, to the FFL, to the buyer of the gun used in a crime.
Whoopee! Now Walmart will:
- Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.
So? If I legally buy a gun and use it in a crime, won’t I be a felon and unable to legally buy a gun at Walmart or anywhere else? BFD. Already complies with existing laws and is redundent with the Federal instant check system.
-Retaining the recorded images of gun sales in case law enforcement wants to view them later as part of an investigation.
Fine. Big brother at his best. They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room! The Feds have your name, address, and other personal info from the paperwork you sign when you buy the gun. My picture is already on the photo ID I provide when buying a gun. Keep my picture. Couldn’t care less.
-Expanding background checks of employees who handle guns and expanding inventory controls.
Wow! To ensure that the felons that Walmart hires are not allowed to sell guns! Complying with a 40-year old law is a bad thing?
You people, who are for the working man, should not be buying all this Chinese crap from Walmart anyway! I thought you cared about hard working Americans?
Two days before BOHA Executive Director Larry Buening and Chief Counsel Mark Stafford were forced to resign after both houses of the legislature called for their firing, BOHA closed a formal complaint filed against abortionist quack Sherman Zaremski in 2007, again shielding abortion mill crimes from prosecution. Court documents, medical records, and even news reports clearly showed Zaremski never reported an 11-year old child’s pregnancy and abortion, as required by law, allowing perverted rapist Robert Estrada to continue his attacks on her and her sister for an additional four years. This is a case of the abortionist quack deliberately shielding the rapist and exposing children to years of additional abuse, known to be ongoing, in order to collect additional revenue from abortions.
The rest of the BOHA members will now also be forced to turn in their blinders.
We will have law enforcement. We will have justice.
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Candidate Obamanation, at a recent forum on faith issues at Messiah College, PA, admitted that he does not know when human life begins, while still attempting to justify his unflagging promotion of abortion, including taxpayer-funded, post-viable, partial-birth, and live-birth abortions.
Obamanation promotes, not respect for human life and dignity, not change, not hope, but more abortion mill profits.
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Sen. Sam Brownback, is calling on the Food and Drug Administration to reject bids from two human cloning companies, Geron Corp. and Advanced Cell Technology Inc., to start trials on humans with embryonic stem cells. Brownback says there are moral issues involved and medical risks for patients.
Embryonic stem cells are extremely unstable and unpredictable, causing tumors and uncontrollable tissue growth. Their use is unethical and has no prospects whatsoever for producing cures in humans. ACT is notorious for falsifying results of ESCR in order to drive stock prices up.
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Governor Butch Otter of Idaho has signed the first state law that helps prevent women from being pressured or coerced into having an abortion. Coercion involving violence will now be punished as a felony crime, whereas it seems that forcing a mother to contract the killing of her children using threats of job loss, career loss, scholarship loss, demotion, eviction, divorce, or withdrawal by family, friends, or boyfriend will be treated as misdemeanors.
Some mothers are made an offer they cannot refuse.
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A Williamsburg, PA High School girl on March 31 was the victim of attempted forced abortion and attempted poisoning, when someone slipped a cattle drug into her drink. The stolen drug was intended to cause abortions in cattle. Pennsylvania is one of 25 states that protect unborn babies with criminal penalties from such violent assaults throughout a pregnancy.
It’s getting pretty warm — You will melt if you dont get out of the sun!!
Rage — Wasnt that a reference from upthread to Obaba??
Yeah, a comparison to the Jeremiah Wright thing I suppose.
I don’t always grasp absurdist arguments.
“They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room!”
You have reached a new low point, Max, even for you.
Do ya’ think you might want to give growing up a shot before too awful long?
Clark, you are holier than thou? Don’t get mad Clark. Just cling to church and your guns.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
“(AmWay - quit p-o Clark. You keep making him mad and hurting his feelings by attacking Hillary!!!)”
Max, you ignorant slut - I have been an Obama supporter since Springfield. I have never supported Hillary’s White House bid.
“Farmland prices have gone DOWN here”– ks farm gal.
Maybe, but national trends are up. You’re some kind of chicken lady sitting on 40 acres aren’t you? You’re not a real farmer. Otherwise you wouldn’t blubber that po’ farmer b.s.
Here is just one of about 1,000 URL’s I found in five seconds concerning the explosive increase in farmland values.
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2008/mar08/mar10/Farmlandvaluesriseascroppri.cfm
Now as for fuel, even at $4 a gallon, the per acre per annum cost is around three or four dollars per acre. Nitrogen has doubled, but you are still looking at only about $20 per acre tops for N, and probably almost as much for Phos. $40 tops. Screw your seed wheat. Many farmers plant bin run. And as for equipment costs, sure it’s high, but if you figure your per acre costs, a tractor is still the cheapest per acre input. Sure they cost $200,000, but they do millions of acres over their lives.
And you don’t need new equipment each year.
I don’t think you’re a farmer at all, otherwise you wouldn’t innundate this board with such bullcrap about the occupation. I think you’re a hobby farmer, a pig slopper, with a few hundred acres and some chickens, and you have no more idea what farming is than a San Francisco hippy does.
You costs have not increased nearly enough to absorb your price increases. And don’t f with me on this subject. From 1997 to 2007, I put 600,000 bushels of wheat in the bin, along with 500,000 bushels of corn, and something like 40,000 bags of beans. I made money when wheat was $2.50. I made money when pinto beans were $12 a bag. I made money on buck and a half corn.
By the way, dryland farming depends on rain, not underground water. The water under the land has little to do with it’s value as the crop does not depend on irrigation. If you really were a farmer, you’d know that.
what’s your tractor; and old 4010?
beber - I think in west KS prices are on a downward slobe due to the fact that the Ogalalla is almost empty.
Dear Max,
Do ya’ think you might want to give growing up a shot before too awful long?
If you choose not to, please die soon.
Sincerely,
WSClark
It must suck, Clark, to be an avid Obama fan and try to deny that Obama is a gun-banner.
Why don’t you just concede that point, and your life would be a lot easier?
Just come out and say the 2nd Amendment doesn’t matter to you?
Same goes for you Clinton supporters, just admit Clinton is against the 2nd Amendment, and your lives will be easier. That’s one less lie Hillary will have to tell.
Oh, and when’s the last time Obama shot a gun? You Democrats are ALL against guns, aren’t you?
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“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.
Asked Sunday when she last fired a gun or attended church services, Clinton said the query was “not a relevant question in this debate.” Watch Clinton face questions on gun use »
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/14/obama.clinton/
WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm | Permalink
Dear Max,
Do ya’ think you might want to give growing up a shot before too awful long?
If you choose not to, please die soon.
Sincerely,
WSClark
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Even the registration system doesn’t work to prevent threats of violence.
Pull this post Eagle.
You Democrats are ALL against guns, aren’t you?
NO. My biggest problem with guns seems to be that the deer always know when I have one with me - and they all split.
“Oh, and when’s the last time Obama shot a gun?”
What diff does that make, Grobnik?
The question is, Grobnik, do you support the other NINE amendments (the Bill of Rights) nearly as much as you support the Second?
I would guess not.
Oh, and make my day, Clark.
“Asked Sunday when she last fired a gun or attended church services, Clinton said the query was “not a relevant question in this debate.” Watch Clinton face questions on gun use”
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And she is EXACTLY right!!
Can’t answer, can you Clark?
Just admit Obama does not support the 2nd Amendment, then I’ll answer your questions.
Doesn’t really matter what I support anyway, but that’s your only way of defending Obama - the gun-banner.
That’s a lot of grain beber. I never dealt with big farms before. I have visited my great uncle’s farm down in Oklahoma (6.5 sections or was until he died)
It was ran much like a business rather than a small farm I was used to seeing.
Regarding irrigation, I did some “gun shooters” in Texas as a ‘ranch hand’ in high school. They were powered by an old 289 ford engine and drew the water out of a nearby winter. The only crop raised was winter wheat. The rest of the ranch were that cantankerous breed Char-brahs or whatever they were called (half Charlait, half Brahma.)
Anyway, that was the gawd-awfullest job I ever did. Wading knee deep in mud to move those #@#@ irrigation pipes around in the fields. High humidity fields and a hot Texas sun do not mix!
As a benefit for our low wages (1.50/hour), we got to hunt and fish on the land all we wished - that is, after the chores were done. :)
oops 2.5 sections, not 6.5 (Grant County,Oklahoma) was trying to convert acreage in my head or something. :D
“Even the registration system doesn’t work to prevent threats of violence.”
Oh, please tell me, Grobnik, how I threatened you will violence? Where do you see a threat?
“If you choose not to, please die soon.”
You want that posted pulled, but you’re okay with this one…..
“They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room!”
Hypocrite.
Oh, and Chas comes on to defend Clinton, the other Democrat gun-banner!
Big surprise there.
It’s RELEVENT? for Hillary to talk about shooting a gun with her Father 50 years ago, but NOT RELEVENT to discuss her latest shooting practice?
HELL Chas, CLINTON is the one who brought up her vast shooting experience! Her Annie Oakley stories are thus - RELEVENT!
sheesh winter=river, time to eat, blood sugar dropping…
Clark, your drug paranoia is growing.
Stop bloggin when taking dope.
I agree Max!!
And Clark, that video of you at Walmart, it’s public info now. It’s on the web.
“Oh, and make my day, Clark.”
Oh, is THAT a threat, Grob?
“but that’s your only way of defending Obama - the gun-banner.”
Bullshit, Grob, Obama neither ant to ban guns, nor will he - a gun banning bill would never make it through either the House or Senate.
And Obama would veto it anyway - it would be unconstitutional.
And the relevance of her most recent shooting experience is IRRELEVANT!!