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Haven’t been around for a few days. Has the registration stopped the trolling?
Cold Temperatures Freeze Gardening Season
By Mark Geary, Reporter
“MARION, IOWA – All of this cold weather is freezing the start of the gardening season. Now, outdoor fans are eager for a warm-up.”
“I’m 71-years-old and I’ve never seen spring come this late,” Robert Ciesleck said.”
Story; http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/17646694.html
As I look at the frozen tips on the plants in the flower bed this morning, and have the stove going in the family room trying keep warm here during the middle of April, I ponder why more isn’t being done RIGHT NOW to stop this Anthropological Global Warming. If it progress much further I’m going to have to migrate south just to survive.
It makes little sense to me to talk of higher taxes on fuels and CO2 or carbon credits, ad nauseum, when we are having to spend so much for heating now. I guess some folks just need to worry about something, and try and manipulate others lives at the same time.
The American Civil Liberties Union is calling for a congressional investigation. ACLU legislative director Caroline Fredrickson said, “With each new revelation, it is beginning to look like the torture operation was managed and directed out of the White House. This is what we suspected all along.”
Let the games begin will congress react?
“I’m 71-years-old and I’ve never seen spring come this late,” Robert Ciesleck said.”
Y’know, I remember Easter ‘75 it blizzarding in that area. Maybe at 71 he just don’t remember.
Abhu Ghraib MP’s should have a new trial with the ‘torture being sanctioned from above’ as a legitimate defense. It’s not fair that only the “Principals” have blanket legal protection. Bush was purposely left out of the loop, so the last stop gap could be a presidential pardon.
CIA Kidnap, Torture Victim Takes Case to Inter-American Commission on Human Rights
And a German citizen ignored by the US court system despite his kidnapping and torture by the CIA has brought his case to the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights. In 2003, Khaled El-Masri was seized in Macedonia and flown to Afghanistan, where he was held in a secret prison and tortured. Attorneys say his kidnapping and torture has left him a “psychological wreck.” Last year, El-Masri lost a final Supreme Court appeal to have his case heard in a US court. The Bush administration had invoked the so-called “state secrets” privilege to deny El-Masri a trial. This week, the American Civil Liberties Union said it would petition the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights to demand an apology from the White House.
More fun with torture…
“. I guess some folks just need to worry about something, and try and manipulate others lives at the same time.”
Yeah that’s pretty much how the bush admininstration got the freedom stealing “Patriot Act” past.
And then there IS that con nose trouble with folks’s sex lives.
Just for starters.
DO learn the difference between weather and global climate before further embarrassing yourself.
BlueJay,
Yeah, Boxlick consistently manages to be both ignorant and smug at the same time. Really something.
Is Kansas really the #10 “pro-business” state in the U.S.?
An annual report by the Pollina Corporate Real Estate group again lists Kansas as the #10 pro-business state. Dr. Ronald R Pollina says “Kansas lead creating a low-tax, low red-tape, and pro-job growth business climate.” And Kansas gets this #10 ranking at the same time bureaucratic red-tape is killing a new power plant that would provide energy and jobs in Western Kansas? Does this ranking make any sense?
http://www.kansasmeadowlark.com/2008/04-14.htm
Conclusions
The #10 pro-business ranking for Kansas in the Pollina study does not appear to be justified based on studies made by other business and economic groups, which rank Kansas much lower, around #30.
Gov. Sebelius should explain how she can tout the #10 ranking from the Pollina study at the same time she is using regulatory red-tape to kill a $3.6 billion project, which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.
Please watch out for Exit/Depature Pardons from Bush. Look at who/whom will need and get them. Congress included. Herbert West III, wen2k.com west.herb@yhoo.com
KsMeadowlark,
Way to go, brandishing a silly metric like “pro-business climate” to badger the governor. It’s what we’ve come to expect of you.
In KSMeadowlark’s world, “bureacratic red tape” = the opposition of Kansas voters. Who do those silly voters think they are to stand in the way of out of state interests that want to pollute–sorry, DEVELOP–Kansas rather than their own states?
“which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.”
She HAS offered viable alternatives. You just haven’t been paying attention.
More hate. Man, and I thought it was a good day. Guess Monday is just too much for some folks.
In terms of job creation, what would those alternatives be?
Wind generates very few permanent jobs, and the temporary construction jobs mostly send money out of state, or at least out of the region.
Y’all know I’m opposed to the holcomb plants. But…
I’m really curious about what sebelius has done for economic development in western Kansas.
Materials … aerodynamics …
Needed – strong but light materials. Also need to be corrosion-resistant. Sounds like aircraft components? NO. WIND TURBINES. These are usually imported since the US does not have the manufacturing capacity for them. Might this be a job-creating industry that could take advantage of the technologies we have here in Wichita?
I guess according to Meadolark the answer is NO.
And what is the value of this “economic development” vis a vis the value of the water?
Tell the truth guys. The only economic development sebelius has in mind for this region are wind farms and water mining for other purposes.
Other than that? I guess she thinks we can eat cake.
ksfg – after construction the coal plant wouldn’t hire a whole lot of people either. Both the coal plant and the turbines whould require a certain amount of maintainence. The turbines, however, would NOT suck the acquifer dry and WOULD generate royalties for dispersed land-owners.
Pro business means anti-people. For example, in a pro-business state pay day loan compaines are given a free reign to plunder.
Pro-business also means that specialty interests dictate regulations concerning their specialites; thus, you can’t get a new pair of glasses without first seeing an optomitrist and you have to renew pet shots annually, even though many shots confer life-long immunity.
I imagine there are about a billion other little annoyances that add up to big bucks for biz, and poo on a stick for the rest of us.
Ben, I asked about sebelius’ alternative economic development plans for western Kansas. Not Wichita.
“These are usually imported since the US does not have the manufacturing capacity for them. Might this be a job-creating industry that could take advantage of the technologies we have here in Wichita?”
And this would help western Kansas, um, how?
Still waiting on those alternatives proposed by governor “leadership”. What are they?
ksfg – I agree with you that wind turbines will have a limited impact in that regard. And I also agree that eco devo is needed out there. However, I am not really sure where the state should do it as opposed to local initiatives. My think with the energy situation is that holcomb will HURT western KS; turbines at least help some.
I know that the ‘buffalo commons’ thesis is anathema to many out there but i think that with the depletion of water it might be something that must be looked at. Perhaps some combination of eco-tourism and hunting might bring in revenue and jobs? Chicago lawyers will spend a lot of money to bag a big buck.
If you made western kansas into the great savannah, ksfarm gal could be the great bwana. One thing is for certain; if these farm prices hold up, western kansas will be swarming with brokers. I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.
A couple of years ago, we had a blizzard this time of year in Kansas.
The temperatures are entirely within normal fluctuations.
An old geezer in Iowa is not the consensus of climatologists around the globe.
Duh.
CF2K
Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:29 am | Permalink
“BlueJay,
Yeah, Boxlick consistently manages to be both ignorant and smug at the same time. Really something.”
And CF-nitwit consistently manages to be an obnoxious flamer.
His intolerance of anyone or thing that he disagrees with shows his fearful, shallow mentality.
KFG,
Thanks for the link on the Electoral College yesterday. Was busy then, but saw it today.
Something I have wondered for some time, what is a “Boxlock”. Is it a chastity belt? Sorry for that, but I have been reading this novel set in the 12th century; that is my only excuse.
Boxlock–
Sorry.
Gotta go with CF on this one.
You are ignorant and smug.
But then, that’s CONservativism in a nutshell: stupid and proud of it. Just look at Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly.
Stupid white men, and proud of it!
Ben, this is your post that I am asking about.
““which would bring economic development and jobs to Western Kansas, when she has not offered viable alternatives.”
She HAS offered viable alternatives. You just haven’t been paying attention.”
I HAVE been paying attention. THAT is why I want you to back up this statement. TELL me what “alternatives” she has posed for western Kansas.
Or do you want to just admit she hasnt proposed a damn thing?
Sollie asks: Haven’t been around for a few days. Has the registration stopped the trolling?
You know . . . I think it has. The sock puppet parade hasn’t been out lately.
It hasn’t stopped the “Gay Sex Incest” spam, but that’s entirely the fault of The Eagle.
Just because you force people to register, doesn’t mean you don’t have to ban users who abuse posting priviledges.
BTW, true to his word, GMC70 has not posted since registration began (as far as I have seen).
So registration has certainly been a positive so far . . .
Doorking=russell the roundhead=beber
Yer an idiot.
If you think this farmland is going to be so valuable, wouldnt it be MORE valuable if it had water? And the cost of inputs for crops has outpaced the prices of grains. Fertilzer, diesel fuel, seed wheat shortages, storage, transportation, etc. And have you looked at the prices for equipment lately?
Farmland prices have gone DOWN here.
And.. could you possibly translate this into English?
“I should point out too, that in dryland farming situations, the erosion of the soil is a far greater threat to population that the depletion of water, if the food shortage situation does not get so serious that water mining remains profitable to the point where there is no water left even for cattle.”
Care to backup that statement that erosion is a bigger “threat to population” than water shortages?
Jesus WEPT! You never met a water sucking ethnaol plant or coal burning plant you didnt love.
ksfg – as I noted, a wind farm will ahve at least some jobs effect. Also, the royalties will, at least in part, go into the local economies.
At least wind will not do HARM like the coal plant would do.
Just what kind of eco devo CAN the governor initaite for that region?
BTW – my ‘not paying attention’ comment was directed at KsMeadowlark and referred to the entire state; not just those counties.
Dittos, Ksfarmgrrl.
I couldn’t figure that out either. Dry, dusty conditions and wind are what cause erosion.
How do you combat that?
Water.
Duh.
BlueJay Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:12 am
“DO learn the difference between weather and global climate before further embarrassing yourself.”
I’m am well aware of the difference, and also realize and was pointing out, that the perceptible differences in global climate and weather over recorded history are next to undetectable, that it gets hotter and it gets colder, BIG DEAL. Where you seem to feel man is omnipotent over the climate or weather in truth man, and certainly you, are impotent.
You are like the hypochondriac who frets their life away worrying over a disease that exhibits no symptoms.
I’ve got better things to do.
Actually, soil blowing and flowing can be slowed by no-till farming and other conservation friendly tillage practices. And by grassing waterways, etc.
It is a problem, but NO WHERE NEAR the problem of water mining and water shortages.
And fixing the problem means taking land OUT of production. Which, duh, makes it less valuable…
Hey Ben / bth–
The poster who goes by “Right Angle” says that you can vouch for him that he’s not the same poster as Regular.
True or false?
Capn – I seem to recall RA being a different style (and thus person) from Regular but can never be certain.
Boxlock says that “global warming is a disease with no symptoms.”
Right.
The tracts of ice shelves bigger than New Hampshire breaking and falling into ocean mean nothing to you apparently.
The fact that ocean warming caused the first ever recorded hurricane events in South America mean nothing to you.
The unprecidented heat waves that kill thousands in Europe, massive floods and more frequent severe storms mean nothing to you.
Stupid and proud of it!
Check this out, pretty interesting:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR2008041103296.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Ben–
“Right Angle” says you know him personally.
Once again, Boxlick refutes himself: if he had “better things to do,” presumably he’d be, well, DOING them.
Boxlick,
Huh. “No symptoms,” eh? I’d say the predictions about global warming have erred on the side of UNDERSTATING the problem, if this story is any indication.
“Scambos alerted colleagues at the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) that it looked like the entire ice shelf — about 6,180 square miles (about the size of Northern Ireland)— was at risk of collapsing.
David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate.
“Wilkins is the largest ice shelf on the Antarctic Peninsula yet to be threatened,” he said. “I didn’t expect to see things happen this quickly. The ice shelf is hanging by a thread — we’ll know in the next few days and weeks what its fate will be.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23797247/
Moreover, Boxlick, you misrepresent the position of those scientists, and others, who argue for causal explanations of global warming. Nobody, to my knowledge, argues anything like your (mis-)characterization that “man is omnipotent” over weather phenomena. What people DO argue is that climate is a complex, multi-variable system, and that the introduction of man-made effects (i.e. exponentially higher CO2 levels) will have the sorts of effects we have, in fact seen.
I suppose evidence is in the eye of the beholder. But given your ideological commitments, Boxlick, your denial is both predictable and garden variety.
Capn,
Nobody even cares what you think, least of all me.
You’re a puppet. The slightest pull on the string and off you go. What a joke.
Not sure capn. I know Hank and nathan but I don’t know about RA. Unless, of course, I know the person but don’t connect him with the nic. (Could be my age showing … )
Yeah, I think he’s just lying.
Thanks for the info, Ben.
Boxlick,
Self-refutation #2: Boxlick SO doesn’t “care what Cap’N America thinks” that he’ll say so, by golly!
Keep the self-refuting statements coming, Boxlicker. They save us the bother of interacting with you.
Boxlock
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Capn,
Nobody even cares what you think, least of all me.
You’re a puppet. The slightest pull on the string and off you go. What a joke.
=================================
Sounds just like what Regular is always saying about CapN – eh?? LOL
Antarctic ice shelf did not just melt away
Feb 7 2008 by Abbie Wightwick, Western Mail
Link: http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2008/02/07/antarctic-ice-shelf-did-not-just-melt-away-91466-20444895/
“The claim we have made is that if you go through Nasa satellite images in sequence you see the changes (in the glacier) are not necessarily climate warming but to do with the way the shelf moves. It’s opening up anyway.”
“There is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything.
“The glacier may have been at the point where it was going to collapse anyway.”
The scientists examined Nasa satellite images of the glacier from the 1980s to 2002.
‘The Future of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet,
Exploring ice thickness, melting and global climate change’
By Marc Airhart, Jackson School of Geosciences, The University of Texas at Austin
“For Antarctica, the emerging picture is far more complex than the headlines. If the hypotheses of polar experts like Blankenship and Holt are correct, Antarctica might resemble less a block of ice liquefying in a sunny greenhouse than a cog in an intricate Rube Goldberg machine.
The surface of Antarctica is so cold and the ice so thick that raising the region’s air temperature a few degrees is not enough to cause significant melting. Instead, scientists have long suspected that warm water in the Amundsen Sea is flowing up under ice shelves—platforms of floating ice attached to the grounded ice sheet—and melting them from below. This increased melting speeds the flow of grounded ice sheet into the water.
But it’s unlikely these warmer waters result directly from recent climate change. By measuring oxygen content, oceanographers have discovered that the warm water welling up below the glaciers has not been near the sea surface in the past few centuries. In oceanographer’s terms, the water is “old.” It is part of a mass known as Circumpolar Deep Water connected to the North Atlantic through the globetrotting ocean conveyor belt. This water has been at depth for too long, scientists believe, for its temperature to reflect recent global warming.”
But you global warming alarmists will never look at anything but what supports your silly obsession.
And CF, I truly don’t care what Capn or you think really, you both are more of an simple amusement for me.
By the way, you say “Keep the self-refuting statements coming, Boxlicker. They save us the bother of interacting with you”, and then you do exactly that and interact. Pretty self-refuting I guess, ha. See, you are such a comedian, sad thing is you don’t mean to be.
I didn’t even know you could speak welsh.
Paranoia still inflicting the Libs, even with a sign -in.
I bet some believe I actually care enough about this blog to create multiple sign-ins.
What knot heads…
Regular,
They, the Libs and especially those two above, are so self-important and self-centered it’s inconceivable to them everyone else doesn’t think just like they do. And, when there is more than one the paranoia sets in and off they go.
I won’t want to create different sign ins, I want them to know who is calling them knot heads as you put it, which is an understatement and a complement at that.
“The tracts of ice shelves bigger than New Hampshire breaking and falling into ocean mean nothing to you apparently.
The fact that ocean warming caused the first ever recorded hurricane events in South America mean nothing to you.
The unprecidented heat waves that kill thousands in Europe, massive floods and more frequent severe storms mean nothing to you.” CapnA……
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Over the past year, informal evidence has begun to stack up supporting a global cooling trend. For example, recently Baghdad saw its first snowfall ever, China has recorded its coldest winter in 100 years, and North America has more snow cover this year than it has had in the last 50 years. Additionally, record low temperatures have been recorded in Texas, Florida, Minnesota, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greenland, South Africa, Greece, Argentina, and Chile, to name a few.
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I think they call these weather variations. It demonstrates no one knows where the temp goes from here. Personally, if it has to go either way, which it does since it can’t remain static, I hope it gets warmer.
The superdelegates have to choose between either Obama, and his statements, or Hillary and hers. The rest of us get to wait on the superdelegates at the convention to decide which candidate will be on the ballot in November.
If integrity is important, and it is to me, what can we judge by the statements of the candidates.
First Obama:
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
“Now it may be that I chose my words badly. It wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last. But when I hear my opponents, both of whom have spent decades in Washington, saying I’m out of touch, it’s time to cut through their rhetoric and look at the reality,” he said.”
It appears his statement was true, but he may have chosen the wrong words to express it. So we can judge him on the content of his statement, and his admission to it.
Thanks outlander! Well put. Agreed.
“I think they call these weather variations… Personally, if it has to go either way, which it does since it can’t remain static, I hope it gets warmer.”
Cleverly understated, ha. Unlike the knuckle heads above.
Next Hillary:
Clinton has been caught telling a lie so flagrant, so self-serving and so unnecessary that it takes your breath away. The media are on to her, and they’re beginning to unload.
Here’s how it unfolded. On March 17, at a speech at George Washington University Hillary lied, “I certainly do remember that trip to Bosnia, and as Togo said, there was a saying around the White House that if a place was too small, too poor, or too dangerous, the president couldn’t go, so send the First Lady. That’s where we went. I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.” She also told CNN the preceding week: “There was no greeting ceremony and we were basically told to run to our cars. Now that is what happened.”
By Monday evening, 17 March, Clinton was saying that she “misspoke” on Bosnia, which, of course, she hadn’t. The only credible explanation for her incredible remarks is that she lied and got caught.
April 11th: Bill Clinton said “the news media treated her like she had “robbed a bank” and claimed “she was experiencing end-of-day fatigue”, (even though she had made the claim in morning speeches).
On April 11th, Bill Clinton insulted all of us by telling another lie, to cover Hillary’s lie. (or is this a misspoken about mispoke) Hillary made her comments repeatedly before being caught. Bill dismisses them as being late night and implies Hillary was tired – both more lies.
(Or, Hillary really is not capable of delivering at that 3 AM phone call.)
Conclusion: Obama has integrity. Hillary lies and says nothing.
Outlander – I’d like to see verification of your claims. It seems to run counter to what this meterologist says:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=916&tstamp=200803
Melt date at Barrow Alaska getting earlier:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=65&tstamp=200803
It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp200802.html
I don’t think I have ever seen one this early in the Northern Hemisphere.
It’s like the Antarctic Ice Shelves. There was a big hoopla over the far NorthWest Ice shelf melting. At the same time the southern and Eastern Ice shelves were getting bigger.
The key here, is that the climate occurring today in our lifetime takes THOUSANDS of years to make any changes to ice shelves.
Any melting of ice shelves anywhere on earth are most likely the result of climate change occuring hundreds if not a thousand year ago.
This has been confirmed by scientists.
Phantom,
There was absolutley no evidence that proved what those sick soldiers did at Abu Gharib was apporved from the top.
The immediate Commander should be held responsible, but that is it.
Those soldiers were having their own little sex and porno ring as well.
They were just plain sick and twisted and the things they were doing to their prisoners were a reflection of that.
Does seeing CF write “Boxlick” or “Boxlicker” make anyone else think about cunnilingus?
Boxlick,
Evidently, the research scientists you cite share the conviction that Global Warming exists and is measurable–a conviction you call a “silly obsession.” Here’s a bit you actually edited out of the first article to make your point:
“But Prof Glasser doesn’t doubt that climate change exists and must be slowed.
“I don’t want to be a climate change sceptic,” he said.
“There are climate records showing it has been getting warmer.”
So, Boxlick, you’ve confirmed the claim I made above: that Global Climate Change is a multivariable phenomenon that is measurable, and whose anticipated consequences largely are coming to pass as ordered. Nothing you cited in either paper contradicts my assertion.
Oh, and Boxlicker? I never said I wasn’t going to interact with you, so you come up short, AGAIN. How does that feel, Boxlicker?
“It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:”
Let’s see, the blog opened with someone posting about unusual cold winter. Someone countered that you can’t use short term events to confirm it is not GW.
Then, later in the day, the above was posted, and it will be used to SUPPORT GW.
Can you have in both ways science?
Sol,
Sharp eye, there.
“It’s only April and we already have a Tropical Storm in the West Pacific:”
Let’s see, the blog opened with someone posting about unusual cold winter. Someone countered that you can’t use short term events to confirm it is not GW.
Then, later in the day, the above was posted, and it will be used to SUPPORT GW.
Can you have it both ways science?
Global Climate Change is a multivariable phenomenon that is measurable, and whose anticipated consequences largely are coming to pass as ordered. Nothing you cited in either paper contradicts my assertion.
True statement.
However, Climate Change is going to happen whether there are any humans about or not.
American_Way,
Have you not figured out the game yet?
Global Warming exists and is caused by man which is evil. It must be stopped no matter the cost.
EVERYTHING is proof of Global Warming caused by man. EVERYTHING.
I just hope this stupid debate goes on for another 15-20 years so the trend of temperature change doesn’t match the computer generations and all these worshippers of Climate Change Computer Model will be proven wrong.
Then again, they will just come up with something different, probably back to the Global Cooling scare.
Of course you are correct Nathan, but I have to point out the inconsistencies and unfactual matter when I see them.
AmWay – while I agree that single anecdotal items cannot be so used when we have a series of records then it adds up. The winter we just had was not ‘record cold’ as claimed but rather was just a bit warmer than normal:
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=916&tstamp=200803
Then again, they will just come up with something different
maybe something really stupid like El-keeta
Nathan – I hope you are right. And, if the coming data prove you wrong I hope you are man enough to admit that we scientists were right.
“The planet was much snowier and warmer than usual during the winter of 2007-2008, according to statistics released today by the National Climatic Data Center.”
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Said one Woolly Mammoth to another: “Why are these humans complaining about climate change! They know nothing of catastrophic climate change!”
(chortles)
Good one fish!
But seriously, the argument for me is not one on “IF” we are getting warmer or colder. It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
The last Energy Bill, bragged about by democrats in congress, and applauded in the media, will do little to help the environment and actually will DELAY improved MPG with silly 2020 CAFE standards.
Democrats and republicans announced they were making change – but really it was window dressing for environmentalists and was exactly what the big three US Automakers directed.
The clamor for carbon credits is just another method of government to collect a revenue stream for their assorted pork projects. ANYtime you can give a politician from either party a new revenue stream – you will be a hero. We will pay the carbon tax – you and me. Not the CEO’s.
Yesterday, I posted some problems reported with wind energy. I was quickly called BS and in effect a liar by certain posters. Yet I provided a number of links to sources. I didn’t present it in a derogatory manner either.
But some will blindly pursue stopping the rail coal cars and no more coal, gas, or nuclear electric generators. May not suffer brown outs here where there is little demand. But someone will. And those new clean energy turbines will come at a cost in the form of higher utility bills. So we will empty another pocket.
It is the interest of BOTH sides, that the subject of GW, cleaner air, and more efficient energy production be studied and documented with pro’s AND con’s.
It seems fairly logical to me, that as the Polar regions are warming at faster and faster rates, that the polar wrming woul “push” the colder weather farther to the south ahead of it… This was predicted in a fictional novel by Colleen McCullogh, titled “A Creed for the Third Millenium” a number of years ago…
SolDevVB Posted April 14, 2008 at 11:54 am |
“Does seeing CF write “Boxlick” or “Boxlicker” make anyone else think about cunnilingus?”
Uh…NO, but it does sort of seem like CF has a heck of a crush or fascination with me, doesn’t it. And his choice of words in expressing that certainly could lead one to your thoughts. I think of it more like an immature child pestering another who is the object of their fascination. My wife, who teaches Kindergarten, see that frequently. It is simply an inappropriate and immature expression of attraction.
How about that CF, do you have a misdirected attraction going on here. I hope not, I find the thought repulsive, as I find you most of the time.
CF, you sited the following “David Vaughan of the BAS had predicted in 1993 that the northern part of the Wilkins Ice Shelf was likely to be lost within 30 years if warming on the Peninsula continued at the same rate”, and you attributed it to global warming. You leave out, and I quote Prof Glasser:
““The claim we have made is that if you go through Nasa satellite images in sequence you see the changes (in the glacier) are not necessarily climate warming but to do with the way the shelf moves. It’s opening up anyway.
“There is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything.
“The glacier may have been at the point where it was going to collapse anyway.”
Again little man it’s a non-event as far as your or any man’s influence on it. Get use to the idea you don’t manage the world.
Boxlicker,
Typically unable to muster a nuanced argument, I see.
Specifically, how do you reconcile Professor Glaser’s statement that “there is a role for climate change in the collapse, but it is not everything” with your assertion that man’s influence with respect to climate change is a “non-event?” If Professor Glaser is right, then it IS a factor, if not the sole one; but you assert that it is NOT a factor, while introducing his view in support of yours.
Ever heard of the principle of noncontradiction, Boxlick? Can’t assert both A and not-A simultaneously, it’s only the MOST BASIC RULE OF ARGUMENTATION.
As for the name I call you, it is a bit of a disservice, since my favorable opinion of cunnilingus is in conflict with my references to you. Still, you were the one who chose a name that was easy to mock, and you are the one who continues to post illogical and bigoted nonsense. So long as you do so, you may also expect logical refutation and personal ridicule from you; you have demonstrated yourself to be amply deserving of both.
The Weblog doesn’t suffer fools gladly. If you continue to act the fool, Boxlick, you should expect to be treated as one.
It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
Exactly my view. That’s why I’ve posted before that if we’re going to be wrong, we’d better be wrong in the right direction. But I do find it telling that most (granted, not all) that promote global warming are non-profit, while most (again, not all) denying global warming recieve their funding from vested interests.
If we act like global warming is true and we set off an ice age, just throw another log on the fire and we’ll offset it. If we act like GW is a farce and it gets too warm, what are we going to do? Turn up the air conditioning and use even more fossil fuels?
The Muppet poster CF2K is certainly ‘froggy’ today. Perhaps it’s his inner Kermit.
(chortles)
Uh…NO, but it does sort of seem like CF has a heck of a crush or fascination with me, doesn’t it.
You have to admit, your nick just has a way of bringing out that thought. Natural way the brain works. Like my nick brings to mind ghost.
http://www.linktv.org/video/2142
It’s nearly an hour and a half, but it’s fun.
“The rising temperatures are likely to cause the melting of at least half the Arctic sea ice by the end of the century. A significant portion of the Greenland ice sheet—which contains enough water to raise the worldwide sea level by about 23 feet (about 7 meters)—would also melt.
The consequences of such a massive meltdown of northern ice would be dramatic, according to the study.
• Low-lying coastal areas in Florida and Louisiana could be flooded by the sea. A 1.5 feet (50-centimeter) rise in sea level could cause the coastline to move 150 feet (45 meters) inland, resulting in substantial economic, social, and environmental impact in low-lying areas.”
nationalgeographic.com
I’m wondering, when The Artic Ocean is open sea, and Greenland is, well green, who will be damaged the most: Red or Blue people?
I notice clusters of Blue along both seaboards of the USA. Places of large urban populations but also the Kennedy playground at Hyannis Port would go under water.
But, there are signficant coastal properties of wealthy republicans (filthy evil rich) who have second homes and beach resorts along both coasts.
Most can afford to relocate (move to their ski resorts in the mountains), so I doubt they will drown.
We won’t ALL suffer. The lowest point in Kansas is 679 feet above sea level. So this red state will survive.
Maybe there is a silver lining.
ghotiphaze
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:13 pm | Permalink
It is the block headed refusal by extremes on both sides to admit there are uncertainties and the steps being railroaded in to deal with the problem.
Exactly my view. That’s why I’ve posted before that if we’re going to be wrong, we’d better be wrong in the right direction. But I do find it telling that most (granted, not all) that promote global warming are non-profit, while most (again, not all) denying global warming recieve their funding from vested interests.
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I call B.S.
The GW Alarmists have goat-roped the World Bank in believing the Carbon Credit Ponzi scheme. There is also a great “blackmailing” of International companies to buy these carbon credits whether they want to or not.
Of course, you know who ultimately pays these carbon credit fees – you and me – the average consumer.
Meanwhile, people like the GORACLE, who is an investor in one of the world’s largest carbon credit firms is getting filthy rich on the backs of the working class and the poor.
What PROOF do you offer that Cabon Credits is a Ponzi Scheme?? Link please??
http://www.exxposeexxon.com/facts/reports_research.html
That’s just ONE paying out.
And BTW, reg, remember I derive some of my income from the oil industry.
is getting filthy rich on the backs of the working class and the poor.
Sorry, I find that somewhat ironic coming from such a staunch supporter of Halliburton, Blackwater, CACI, Titan, etc.,
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
What PROOF do you offer that Cabon Credits is a Ponzi Scheme?? Link please??
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As you’ve told others many times, find your own source, do your own research.
It is exactly a PONZI scheme.
If I own a factory in England, I can buy some torn up land in Guatemala and get my carbon credit balance sheet back in the black.
All the while, I can continue to spew out the same amount of carbon, because I have played the carbon credit PONZI game.
AmWay, I saw the other day that since DC is right at sea level, and connected to the potomac, which is connected to the bay connected to the ocean, a 1 foot sea rise compounded with a huricane (yeah, they get up to new york sometimes!) would put many areas of the capitol under 15 feet of water. But that’s a GOOD THING!
ghotiphaze,
The term Boxlock refers to a brilliantly designed side-by-side double barrel shotgun action designed in 1875 that hasn’t been improved on to this day in spite of numerous attempts.
“Of all the world’s shotgun actions, none is more imitated than the Anson & Deeley. If you buy a boxlock in Brazil, Turkey, Japan or anywhere in Europe, it will be built on the A&D system. It is a design so successful that more makers have built guns on it than most other designs combined.
The A&D action was patented (no. 1756) on May 11, 1875, and credited to William Anson, foreman of Westley Richards’ gun action department, and John Deeley, Managing director and major share-holder of that company.”
It is beautifully simple mechanically, tremendously reliable and very functional. Proving that what ‘was’ is still sometimes best. And the ‘latest’ is NOT aways the greatest, like many of the Liberal/Socialist/AGW ideas expressed here.
To equate the term on it’s own with what was insinuated by CF2K is simply juvenile gutter thought and shows where that mind resides. It also shows a very weak argument mentality.
“many areas of the capitol under 15 feet of water. But that’s a GOOD THING!”
Yes it is: high murder rate plus they ban guns!
Just curious: Would liberals just ignore this?
Hamas Cleric Predicts ‘Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam’
A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that “the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital,” would soon be conquered by Islam.
The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas’ Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become “an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe.”
“Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion,” al-Astal preached, “so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da’wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.
“Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad,” he added.
Al-Astal last June preached how it was the duty of Palestinian women to martyr themselves by becoming homicide bombers.
“The most exalted form of jihad is fighting for the sake of Allah, which means sacrificing one’s soul by fighting the enemies head-on, even if it leads to martyrdom,” Foxnews.
Not a threat?
The term Boxlock refers to a brilliantly designed side-by-side
I thought it was my Master Combo on my locker.
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Yes it is: high murder rate plus they ban guns!
Uh, I don’t think those will be effected much. It’s mainly the Mall, the lower few steps of the White House, etc.
Not a threat?
No worse than Tom Tancredo talking about bombing Mecca.
Regular, what you described above as a Ponzi Scheme, doesnt even come close to the definition >>>>
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
“No worse than Tom Tancredo talking about bombing Mecca.”
Teaching generations of Muslim believers in their faith martyrdom in taking over the world. Not our problem? Ignore it and it will “go away”?
Or perhaps the hate exists on the same scale as Rev. Jeremiah Wright?
Uh, I don’t think those will be effected much. It’s mainly the Mall, the lower few steps of the White House, etc.
Rats, there goes the Metro lines. I always enjoy riding the Metro in DC. Takes away the pain of the Shirley Hwy (I395).But from what you describe, it will cover up all the concrete barriers surrounding all our nations buildings. Possibly create some good fish cover..
Chas,
This definition is better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme
And the Carbon Credit scam is exactly a PONZI scheme.
The selling of Carbon Credits does zero to reduce carbon emissions.
What it does is offer up land, forested areas or de-forested areas as a carbon offset even though the area being used as an offset has no geographical relationship with the carbon emitter area.
While Factory A in London is spewing out the same or increased amount of carbon, all it has to do is buy some land somewhere in the world and state it is not in violation of carbon emission standards.
It’s a pure crock.
create some good fish cover..
8^b~~~~
I’ve only been to DC once. Stopover on a flight and only saw the terminal and the buildings from the air. It took me about the whole time to get from one terminal to the other.
And YOUR definition of Ponzi Scheme is better than mine because??? Because yours is Wikipedia?? and mine is from an investment web site?? Puhhh leeeze!!!
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:36 pm | Permalink
And YOUR definition of Ponzi Scheme is better than mine because??? Because yours is Wikipedia?? and mine is from an investment web site?? Puhhh leeeze!!!
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Yeah, your link gives four short paragraphs.
My link to Wiki, give an in depth look, history and evaluation of types of schemes.
So yes, the Wiki Ponzi description is much better than your four short paragraphs.
Got anything else?
Or are you just arm flailing?
Regular, in the carbon footprint, EACH investor can make/save/whatever, the same as the first… The later investor is not penalized for buying his/her carbon footprint…
In the Ponzi Scheme (Like AmWay) just the early investors stand to make any money… because the funds run out… unless you get new investors…
Carbon footprints are not dependent on getting New investors, to subsidize the early investors…
In short, you are WRONG…. No Ponzi Sheme in global warming!! Tell Rush he is all wet on this one too!! LOL
You do cross reference your wiki articles, don’t you, Reg? It’s good for a quickie, but there is a lot of trash on it.
Rush he is all wet on this one too!!
He’s flat and dry so get off his back.
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ghotiphaze
Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:42 pm | Permalink
You do cross reference your wiki articles, don’t you, Reg? It’s good for a quickie, but there is a lot of trash on it.
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Got anything relevant to say or are you just trolling as usual?
ghotiphaze
DNFTT
Ok, it was friendly advice. Sorry, it won’t happen again.
Damn, this is going to piss off Nathan and Max…..
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24114145/
“Wal-Mart to log guns sold, then used in crimes
Largest seller of firearms will also videotape all transactions”
“J.P. Suarez, the chief compliance officer for Wal-Mart Stores Inc., appeared with outspoken gun control advocate Mayor Michael Bloomberg of New York to announce the changes at a gathering of Bloomberg’s group Mayors Against Illegal Guns.”
I wonder when they will boycott?
With Nathan’s Christian sensibilities, I would have assumed he started boycotting Wal-Mart when it came out last week that the corporate big-wigs have been dressing in women’s clothes and putting on drag lingerie shows during the last thirty years of corporate meetings.
Boxlick,
So your self-attributed nickname is phallic rather than yonic. No surprise that you feel a need to overcompensate: your underperformance is evident to everyone who reads this blog.
Oh, and though I generally frown on referring to people’s families (and to pointing out the grammatically obvious), here’s a bit of unsolicited advice, Boxlick: you ought to ask your wife (who teaches kindergarten, as you have informed us) for some lessons in English grammar and usage.
The smarter you try to sound, Boxlick, the more laughable you become. “A very weak argument mentality,” indeed.
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
Ponzi Scheme
A fraudulent investing scam that promises high rates of return at little risk to investors. The scheme generates returns for older investors by acquiring new investors. This scam actually yields the promised returns to earlier investors, as long as there are more new investors.
The Ponzi scam is named after Charles Ponzi, a clerk in Boston who first orchestrated such a scheme in 1919.
A Ponzi scheme is similar to a pyramid scheme in that both are based on using new investors’ funds to pay the earlier backers. One difference between the two schemes is that the Ponzi mastermind gathers all relevant funds from new investors and then distributes them. Pyramid schemes, on the other hand, allow each investor to directly benefit depending on how many new investors are recruited. In this case, the person on the top of the pyramid does not at any point have access to all the money in the system.
For both schemes, however, eventually there isn’t enough money to go around and the schemes unravel.
CF2K,
What does a shotgun action have to do with phallic.
You poor pathetic numskull, are you on some sex offender list? That’s all you seem able to think about.
You are quite experienced at losing any argument you start obviously as you can’t refrain from misusing nics and attacking anyone you don’t agree with. Your week argument mentality is proven by your predictable denigration of anyone you are losing too.
CF you are a person to be pitied and don’t know when to stop proving it.
Obviously the things I say get to you enough you can’t keep from replying, and you seem to understand every word in my posts so they are certainly effective enough.
Now, lets see you prove it again, dummy.
Teaching generations of Muslim believers in their faith martyrdom in taking over the world. Not our problem? Ignore it and it will “go away”?
What the hell are you talking about? Wahhabi fundamentalism? Hamas? Or just one inflammatory Hamas MP?
Start making sense, if you can.
Until they are in the same room at the same time?
“Boxlock” is “Regular”.
JR, you’re so full of paranoia it’s funny.
And I usually don’t find humor in sad personalities like your’s.
Think whatever you wish, obviously you’re entitled to that regardless of how ignorant it is.
“Wal-Mart to log guns sold, then used in crimes
Largest seller of firearms will also videotape all transactions”
The problem is the Wal-Marts in Wichita do not sell guns.
Rage — Wasnt that a reference from upthread to Obaba??
** Obama even **
RE: WALMART
That would be a good thing Hud
Amaerican_way: Don’t take every Islamic hubrise on Fox as a genuine “gonna-getcha.” At Easter the Pope publicly baptized a famous leading Italian Moslem, producing an expected backlash, though not as bad as the Danish Cartoons. I’ve seen some goofy things about the conversion of the Jews as a Christian tenet of faith. Aren’t there a few right wing people who pray for Jewish conversion, hastening Armageddon and the rapture or something like that? At the least the Moslems aren’t gonna engineer the end of the world after converting the Roman Church. The threats refer to enemies of Islam only, not friends. We know that Islamic Spain treated Christians and Jews quite well for centuries, producing a glorious, multicultural society well ahead of Europe in the arts, sciences and humanities. It was the Cathloic retaking of the Iberian Peninsula that re-introduced cruelty to all, Moslems, Jews and not-up-to-snuff Catholics alike.
Wow! Walmart is actually gonna comply with the 1968 Gun Control Act!
The FFL selling new guns has had to keep records on gun sales for 40 years now. That’s how they trace guns used in crimes – from the Manufacturer, to the FFL, to the buyer of the gun used in a crime.
Whoopee! Now Walmart will:
- Creating a record and alert system to record when a gun sold at Wal-Mart is later used in a crime. If the purchaser of that gun later tries to buy another gun at Wal-Mart, the system would alert the sales clerk of the prior buy and could refuse to make the sale.
So? If I legally buy a gun and use it in a crime, won’t I be a felon and unable to legally buy a gun at Walmart or anywhere else? BFD. Already complies with existing laws and is redundent with the Federal instant check system.
-Retaining the recorded images of gun sales in case law enforcement wants to view them later as part of an investigation.
Fine. Big brother at his best. They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room! The Feds have your name, address, and other personal info from the paperwork you sign when you buy the gun. My picture is already on the photo ID I provide when buying a gun. Keep my picture. Couldn’t care less.
-Expanding background checks of employees who handle guns and expanding inventory controls.
Wow! To ensure that the felons that Walmart hires are not allowed to sell guns! Complying with a 40-year old law is a bad thing?
You people, who are for the working man, should not be buying all this Chinese crap from Walmart anyway! I thought you cared about hard working Americans?
Two days before BOHA Executive Director Larry Buening and Chief Counsel Mark Stafford were forced to resign after both houses of the legislature called for their firing, BOHA closed a formal complaint filed against abortionist quack Sherman Zaremski in 2007, again shielding abortion mill crimes from prosecution. Court documents, medical records, and even news reports clearly showed Zaremski never reported an 11-year old child’s pregnancy and abortion, as required by law, allowing perverted rapist Robert Estrada to continue his attacks on her and her sister for an additional four years. This is a case of the abortionist quack deliberately shielding the rapist and exposing children to years of additional abuse, known to be ongoing, in order to collect additional revenue from abortions.
The rest of the BOHA members will now also be forced to turn in their blinders.
We will have law enforcement. We will have justice.
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Candidate Obamanation, at a recent forum on faith issues at Messiah College, PA, admitted that he does not know when human life begins, while still attempting to justify his unflagging promotion of abortion, including taxpayer-funded, post-viable, partial-birth, and live-birth abortions.
Obamanation promotes, not respect for human life and dignity, not change, not hope, but more abortion mill profits.
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Sen. Sam Brownback, is calling on the Food and Drug Administration to reject bids from two human cloning companies, Geron Corp. and Advanced Cell Technology Inc., to start trials on humans with embryonic stem cells. Brownback says there are moral issues involved and medical risks for patients.
Embryonic stem cells are extremely unstable and unpredictable, causing tumors and uncontrollable tissue growth. Their use is unethical and has no prospects whatsoever for producing cures in humans. ACT is notorious for falsifying results of ESCR in order to drive stock prices up.
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Governor Butch Otter of Idaho has signed the first state law that helps prevent women from being pressured or coerced into having an abortion. Coercion involving violence will now be punished as a felony crime, whereas it seems that forcing a mother to contract the killing of her children using threats of job loss, career loss, scholarship loss, demotion, eviction, divorce, or withdrawal by family, friends, or boyfriend will be treated as misdemeanors.
Some mothers are made an offer they cannot refuse.
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A Williamsburg, PA High School girl on March 31 was the victim of attempted forced abortion and attempted poisoning, when someone slipped a cattle drug into her drink. The stolen drug was intended to cause abortions in cattle. Pennsylvania is one of 25 states that protect unborn babies with criminal penalties from such violent assaults throughout a pregnancy.
It’s getting pretty warm — You will melt if you dont get out of the sun!!
Rage — Wasnt that a reference from upthread to Obaba??
Yeah, a comparison to the Jeremiah Wright thing I suppose.
I don’t always grasp absurdist arguments.
“They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room!”
You have reached a new low point, Max, even for you.
Do ya’ think you might want to give growing up a shot before too awful long?
Clark, you are holier than thou? Don’t get mad Clark. Just cling to church and your guns.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
“(AmWay – quit p-o Clark. You keep making him mad and hurting his feelings by attacking Hillary!!!)”
Max, you ignorant slut – I have been an Obama supporter since Springfield. I have never supported Hillary’s White House bid.
“Farmland prices have gone DOWN here”– ks farm gal.
Maybe, but national trends are up. You’re some kind of chicken lady sitting on 40 acres aren’t you? You’re not a real farmer. Otherwise you wouldn’t blubber that po’ farmer b.s.
Here is just one of about 1,000 URL’s I found in five seconds concerning the explosive increase in farmland values.
http://www.hpj.com/archives/2008/mar08/mar10/Farmlandvaluesriseascroppri.cfm
Now as for fuel, even at $4 a gallon, the per acre per annum cost is around three or four dollars per acre. Nitrogen has doubled, but you are still looking at only about $20 per acre tops for N, and probably almost as much for Phos. $40 tops. Screw your seed wheat. Many farmers plant bin run. And as for equipment costs, sure it’s high, but if you figure your per acre costs, a tractor is still the cheapest per acre input. Sure they cost $200,000, but they do millions of acres over their lives.
And you don’t need new equipment each year.
I don’t think you’re a farmer at all, otherwise you wouldn’t innundate this board with such bullcrap about the occupation. I think you’re a hobby farmer, a pig slopper, with a few hundred acres and some chickens, and you have no more idea what farming is than a San Francisco hippy does.
You costs have not increased nearly enough to absorb your price increases. And don’t f with me on this subject. From 1997 to 2007, I put 600,000 bushels of wheat in the bin, along with 500,000 bushels of corn, and something like 40,000 bags of beans. I made money when wheat was $2.50. I made money when pinto beans were $12 a bag. I made money on buck and a half corn.
By the way, dryland farming depends on rain, not underground water. The water under the land has little to do with it’s value as the crop does not depend on irrigation. If you really were a farmer, you’d know that.
what’s your tractor; and old 4010?
beber – I think in west KS prices are on a downward slobe due to the fact that the Ogalalla is almost empty.
Dear Max,
Do ya’ think you might want to give growing up a shot before too awful long?
If you choose not to, please die soon.
Sincerely,
WSClark
It must suck, Clark, to be an avid Obama fan and try to deny that Obama is a gun-banner.
Why don’t you just concede that point, and your life would be a lot easier?
Just come out and say the 2nd Amendment doesn’t matter to you?
Same goes for you Clinton supporters, just admit Clinton is against the 2nd Amendment, and your lives will be easier. That’s one less lie Hillary will have to tell.
Oh, and when’s the last time Obama shot a gun? You Democrats are ALL against guns, aren’t you?
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“You know, my dad took me out behind the cottage that my grandfather built on a little lake called Lake Winola outside of Scranton and taught me how to shoot when I was a little girl,” she said.
Asked Sunday when she last fired a gun or attended church services, Clinton said the query was “not a relevant question in this debate.” Watch Clinton face questions on gun use »
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/14/obama.clinton/
WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm | Permalink
Dear Max,
Do ya’ think you might want to give growing up a shot before too awful long?
If you choose not to, please die soon.
Sincerely,
WSClark
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Even the registration system doesn’t work to prevent threats of violence.
Pull this post Eagle.
You Democrats are ALL against guns, aren’t you?
NO. My biggest problem with guns seems to be that the deer always know when I have one with me – and they all split.
“Oh, and when’s the last time Obama shot a gun?”
What diff does that make, Grobnik?
The question is, Grobnik, do you support the other NINE amendments (the Bill of Rights) nearly as much as you support the Second?
I would guess not.
Oh, and make my day, Clark.
“Asked Sunday when she last fired a gun or attended church services, Clinton said the query was “not a relevant question in this debate.” Watch Clinton face questions on gun use”
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And she is EXACTLY right!!
Can’t answer, can you Clark?
Just admit Obama does not support the 2nd Amendment, then I’ll answer your questions.
Doesn’t really matter what I support anyway, but that’s your only way of defending Obama – the gun-banner.
That’s a lot of grain beber. I never dealt with big farms before. I have visited my great uncle’s farm down in Oklahoma (6.5 sections or was until he died)
It was ran much like a business rather than a small farm I was used to seeing.
Regarding irrigation, I did some “gun shooters” in Texas as a ‘ranch hand’ in high school. They were powered by an old 289 ford engine and drew the water out of a nearby winter. The only crop raised was winter wheat. The rest of the ranch were that cantankerous breed Char-brahs or whatever they were called (half Charlait, half Brahma.)
Anyway, that was the gawd-awfullest job I ever did. Wading knee deep in mud to move those #@#@ irrigation pipes around in the fields. High humidity fields and a hot Texas sun do not mix!
As a benefit for our low wages (1.50/hour), we got to hunt and fish on the land all we wished – that is, after the chores were done. :)
oops 2.5 sections, not 6.5 (Grant County,Oklahoma) was trying to convert acreage in my head or something. :D
“Even the registration system doesn’t work to prevent threats of violence.”
Oh, please tell me, Grobnik, how I threatened you will violence? Where do you see a threat?
“If you choose not to, please die soon.”
You want that posted pulled, but you’re okay with this one…..
“They also film you Clark when you try on ladies underwear in their dressing room!”
Hypocrite.
Oh, and Chas comes on to defend Clinton, the other Democrat gun-banner!
Big surprise there.
It’s RELEVENT? for Hillary to talk about shooting a gun with her Father 50 years ago, but NOT RELEVENT to discuss her latest shooting practice?
HELL Chas, CLINTON is the one who brought up her vast shooting experience! Her Annie Oakley stories are thus – RELEVENT!
sheesh winter=river, time to eat, blood sugar dropping…
Clark, your drug paranoia is growing.
Stop bloggin when taking dope.
I agree Max!!
And Clark, that video of you at Walmart, it’s public info now. It’s on the web.
“Oh, and make my day, Clark.”
Oh, is THAT a threat, Grob?
“but that’s your only way of defending Obama – the gun-banner.”
Bullshit, Grob, Obama neither ant to ban guns, nor will he – a gun banning bill would never make it through either the House or Senate.
And Obama would veto it anyway – it would be unconstitutional.
And the relevance of her most recent shooting experience is IRRELEVANT!!
“Stop bloggin when taking dope.”
I don’t “take” dope.
“And Clark, that video of you at Walmart, it’s public info now. It’s on the web.”
Ever the asshole, Grobnik………
Fine, just reposting the Clinton/Obama gun-ban record later this evening.
Give me a couple of minutes.
Max, did you take your pills today?? Sure doesnt look like it!!
Gosh Chas, you agree or disagree?
Make up your mind!
How can Obama and Clinton expect to be President when they don’t support the entire Constitution?
Scary. What parts will the defend, and which ones will they attack?
Max, what interest do you have in Wichita?? Or is this the only Blog that lets you post anymore?? I should think you have plenty of issues in Iowa to tackle, without clogging up this blog with your CRAP!!
“Fine, just reposting the Clinton/Obama gun-ban record later this evening.”
Your posts in that regard are strictly scroll over – you know damned well that neither Obama, nor Clinton nor Congress is going to ban guns – we all know that would be unconstitutional – so just get off it.
Damn, talk about a one trick (stupid) pony.
Give it a rest, Grobnik.
For the most part, Kansans dont go much for your style of John Birchism, Max… Kansas went through a bad spell of Birchism back in the late 50’s/early 60’s… We dont want/need it anymore… it is SO FAKE!! AND PHONY!!
Aren’t you living in Texas Chas?
Why are you clogging up the blog if you don’t even live here? :)
“Why are you clogging up the blog if you don’t even live here?”
Why are you clogging up this blog if you’re down in Mississippi, JM?
No Mississippi Blogs?
I have my main home base in Wichita, McCluer… Same house where I grew up… My wife, and daughter, and grandson, and two dogs live there… I work where the work takes me!!
So, I have a fairly solid interest in Wichita, James!! I might even run for City Council, or County Commission one of these years… and give something BACK to the City for all it has given me!!
Because I don’t live in Mississippi. A nice try Clark, but your drug-alcohol- induced mania has caused you to slip a cog again.
Besides Chas has already slipped up and gave a hint where he lives by describing how long it would take to drive to reach certain areas in Kansas.
Come on Obama and Clinton fans! Just admit to your gun-ban agenda!
You should be proud of that, those Dems like Mary are proud to be the party that will ban all guns!
Stand on the highest mountain top and proclaim that you will ban all guns forever!
Or post something relevent, that shows how Obama and Clinton actually do support the 2nd Amendment. Not just what they have SAID, but how they have VOTED in the past, and what they said BEFORE this campaign started 15 months ago!
Make my day.
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Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:24 pm | Permalink
I have my main home base in Wichita, McCluer… Same house where I grew up… My wife, and daughter, and grandson, and two dogs live there… I work where the work takes me!!
So, I have a fairly solid interest in Wichita, James!! I might even run for City Council, or County Commission one of these years… and give something BACK to the City for all it has given me!!
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Just don’t run in my district or I’ll post all your posts from the WE Blog and see how the people react. :D
Now, James, I do believe that was open and blatant blackmail — or at least a seriously flawed attempt at it!! LOL You better ask the Editors to PULL that one!! LOL
Even If I did run, nobody on the Blog would know it… :-)
One-trick pony?
The 2nd Amendment protects an EXISTING right, the most basic of fundamental rights. That is, the right of a human being to defend their own life.
If the President of the United States will not protect the right of a human being to defend their own life, then how can we expect that President to defend any of our other rights of Freedom?
One-trick pony? Nope. The right to defend one’s own life is a prerequisite right. That is, if we cannot protect our own life, then we cannot enjoy any other rights.
BTW, much of whast I say here on the Blog would most likely serve to HELP me get elected!! LOL
“Because I don’t live in Mississippi.”
Well, you SAID that you were going to Mississippi and never coming back, McCluer.
So, what up with that, JM?
The 2nd Amendment is THE litmus test, for anyone who would desire to be President.
It’s the test to determine if the candidate will be a President who directs Government to Control the People vs a President who defends the Right of The People to be FREE.
Awww whats wrong Max?? Iowa tired of hearing all about your precious, beloved 2nd Amendment??
I still want to know what those magic words in the Amendment mean to you… You know the ones you are SOOO AGAINST???
Well-regulated…. Max wants to CHANGE it to read NO-regulated!!! ROFLMAO!!!
“If the President of the United States will not protect the right of a human being to defend their own life, then how can we expect that President to defend any of our other rights of Freedom?”
One trick pony – neither Obama nor Hillary nor any other Democrat has said that they want to ban all guns.
Next stupid point, Grobnix?
And the Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
“The 2nd Amendment is THE litmus test, for anyone who would desire to be President.”
Really? And who is the president supporting the DC gun ban?
Guesses?
Hints?
Clark, shall I repost the evidence of the Obama and Clinton agenda to ban guns?
Or shall you concede that point?
Or, perhaps you can post something to support your view? Not.
“They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.”
Answered before you asked, Grobnix.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:33 pm | Permalink
“Because I don’t live in Mississippi.”
Well, you SAID that you were going to Mississippi and never coming back, McCluer.
So, what up with that, JM?
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It means you are ate up with a case of the dumb ass and posting while drunk once again.
Right, attack Bush.
Great defense for Obama and Clinton.
I don’t support Bush’s attacks on Freedom. Do you?
Awww whats wrong Max?? Iowa get tired of your rants on your precious, beloved 2nd Amendment?? Those right wingers up there pay you extra money to spew your outdated John Birchism all the way to Kansas?? Who Pays you??? Grassly, or that Bozo Rep. from Sioux City???
And Max, what do those two magic words in that 2nd Amendment mean to you…. You know… the words you are SOOOO AGAINST!!!
Well-regulated…. Those words you want to change Max… change to NO-regulated???
“Or shall you concede that point?”
There is no agenda to BAN guns, Grobnix.
Please consider growing up, Grobnix, or please die soon.
Max,
Can’t argue with a drunk like Clark or an insane megalomaniac like Chas.
“Well, you SAID that you were going to Mississippi and never coming back, McCluer.”
So, why are you back, JM?
And why did you deny BEING JM for so long?
And the Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/
No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away this record – unless they LIE!
I can defend Obama’s position on the 2nd Amendment Max… It’s really quite simple… He doesnt want to ban your guns…
He DOES however, want to add some controls to gun ownership!! There’s those two little magic words again, Max… Well-regulated…
“I don’t support Bush’s attacks on Freedom. Do you?”
Nope.
WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:42 pm | Permalink
“Or shall you concede that point?”
There is no agenda to BAN guns, Grobnix.
Please consider growing up, Grobnix, or please die soon.
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Oh I don’t know Regular. Look how effectively they argue their case!
DENY! DENY! DENY!
The good ole boy Redneck Clinton strategy!
“No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away this record – unless they LIE!”
Are you talking about McCluer again, Grobnix?
Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:44 pm | Permalink
I can defend Obama’s position on the 2nd Amendment Max… It’s really quite simple… He doesnt want to ban your guns…
He DOES however, want to add some controls to gun ownership!! There’s those two little magic words again, Max… Well-regulated…
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Or this one Regular. “Add some controls to gun ownership!!”
LOL!
Like gun registration!
Like banning hand-guns!
Like Brady Bill II!!!
Great defense they put on here!
DENY! DENY! DENY!
The good ole boy Redneck Clinton strategy!
(Just put a pinch between your cheek and gum, without lighten up! Pttthhh!)
Yeah Max, they think blogging is dredging up old posts or arguing about the same lame stance they take on indefensible items.
They cry about the constitution, but are the first to scream to take away rights from others.
They just don’t have what it takes. Both screamers and finger pointers – merely children in an adult world.
Right Mr. Density… Clinton strategy used by a couple of Obama supporters… Yea, sure, right!! Now I KNOW you havent had your pills today, Max!!
“Look how effectively they argue their case!”
Sigh, you are just like a child that dropped his lollipop, Grobnix.
You know damned well that neither a president nor a congress could totally ban guns without a Constitutional amendment, subject to a two/third majority of Congress and two/thirds of the States.
The president would have NOTHING to do with it.
But, nice try, Grobnix.
“Both screamers and finger pointers – merely children in an adult world.”
Jeez, JM must have left what was left of his brain in Mississippi.
So, JM, why DID you come back to lil old Kansas?
Just remeber this folks:
The 2nd Amendment protects an EXISTING right, the most basic of fundamental rights. That is, the right of a human being to defend their own life.
If the President of the United States will not protect the right of a human being to defend their own life, then how can we expect that President to defend any of our other rights of Freedom?
One-trick pony? Nope. The right to defend one’s own life is a prerequisite right. That is, if we cannot protect our own life, then we cannot enjoy any other rights.
Clinton nor Obama cannot honestly defend their votes and past statements regarding their desire to ban guns.
Just remember.
If you are ever disarmed by your government, then all of us will subjects to our government, and no longer free.
So, Max, what about those magic words, “Well-regulated”?
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink
“Both screamers and finger pointers – merely children in an adult world.”
Jeez, JM must have left what was left of his brain in Mississippi.
So, JM, why DID you come back to lil old Kansas?
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Don’t worry folks, it’s all Clark has in his bag of dirt.
He has nothing else, he can’t even stay on topic.
Sad to go through life as a drunk, repeating yourself, having your driver’s license taken away and all that.
Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:50 pm | Permalink
Right Mr. Density… Clinton strategy used by a couple of Obama supporters… Yea, sure, right!! Now I KNOW you havent had your pills today, Max!!
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Clinton defense: Attack and Divert.
Max, furthermore, Mr. Density… Neither Clinton, nor Obama, nor any body else in Congress has voted to BAN GUNS…. There has never EVER been a bill put forward to BAN GUNS!!!
Guess your stupid flaming BS/CRAP falls apart there, eh??
WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:52 pm | Permalink
“Both screamers and finger pointers – merely children in an adult world.”
Jeez, JM must have left what was left of his brain in Mississippi.
So, JM, why DID you come back to lil old Kansas?
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Obama Defense: Attack and Divert.
Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:54 pm | Permalink
Max, furthermore, Mr. Density… Neither Clinton, nor Obama, nor any body else in Congress has voted to BAN GUNS…. There has never EVER been a bill put forward to BAN GUNS!!!
Guess your stupid flaming BS/CRAP falls apart there, eh??
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DENY! DENY! DENY!
Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/
No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away this record – unless they LIE!
Hey Clark, James is getting careless… First he tries to blackmail ME… NOW he makes a statement on the Blog that you lost your driver’s license to a DWI!!! James, you are playing with FIRE boy, and you might get burned!!
Chas., there are three words “Well regulated Militia”, not one hyphened word.
And “Well regulated” describes “Militia” not guns.
Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm | Permalink
So, Max, what about those magic words, “Well-regulated”?
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In 60 days or so Chas, we’ll hear the latest intepretation of those and other words, from those on the Supreme Court.
MAX you gotta have a bill to BAN GUNS, before you can vote on it!! There hasnt been such a bill in Congress!! And Max, you cant FIND one!! Not even on your John Birch/NRA/GOA web sites!! It AINT THERE!!!
I suppose you have judicial proof for that absurd statement, right Hud???
Do you have proof for your absurd statement.
If the Chas-Clark character is the best defense of the gun-ban views of Obama and Clinton, then there is no hope for Democrat vitory in 2008.
Better hope for the Cavalry! (Cause they will bring guns!)
These Chas/Clark boys be dumb.
Dumb and Dumber for sure.
Entertaining in a Hee Haw sorta way. Pthhh.
Chas didn’t see the DOZENS of gun-ban bills I posted yesterday.
Dumb or just a liar? Who can tell for sure?
I think Hillary last shot a gun while in Bosnia, gettin off that plane.
With all the sniper fire around, Hillary let off a few rounds from her M-16, to protect herself and Chelsea from attack, whilst they ran for it!
Now you know why Bill didn’t go with her!
Max, and your gun totin friends… There is NOTHING in your precious, GOD-like amendment, that BANS government controls on Guns/gunowners… It just doesnt exist… So, why dont you all just go shine up your weapons, and get ready for your absurd attack on your gun collections…
“If you are ever disarmed by your government, then all of us will subjects to our government, and no longer free.”
Ease back on the paranoia, Grobnix, it ain’t gonna happen.
“He has nothing else, he can’t even stay on topic.”
It’s an open thread – there ain’t no topic, JM, I just want to know why you DENIED being JM for so freakin’ long.
“Obama Defense: Attack and Divert.”
Nope, Grobnix, two topics going on here – guns and why McCluer denied being JM.
Easy, right?
“having your driver’s license taken away and all that.”
Nope, I have never lost my license, never had a breathalyser test, never had a field sobriety test, never even been pulled over for suspicion of DUI, never came close to losing my license.
And, I use my use my real name on my license – what name to you use on your’s JM?
You gun people worship at the feet of Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson, and Mr. Colt, and Mr. Thompson, and Mr. Glock… etc, etc, ad infinitum, ad nauseum!!! Please write to the Editors to give you lunatics your very own GUN THREAD… EVERY DAY… so the rest of us dont have to read this filth and vile BS every day of every friggin week!!!
Like I’ve said before, Clark, when James has nothing else, he resorts to LIES, and SLANDER, and even BLACKMAIL just so he can keep on being NOTICED on the Blog!!
“… so the rest of us dont have to read this filth and vile BS every day of every friggin week!!!”
Apparently, you do not read your own postings.
Great Britain.
Australia.
New Orleans, LA, USA.
“It can’t happen here.”
That’s what they said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2BRoCd2I
“when James has nothing else”
James never has anything else, Chas, just try to ignore him – he has a serious lack of self-esteem, so he tries to play the “expert on everything” on the blog, complete with lies and puffing up up his pitiful resume.
He deserves more pity than anything else, but his arrogance makes it difficult to extend anything except contempt.
He is nothing but a Blog Clown – a sorry excuse – but do try to ignore him.
And, I use my use my real name on my license – what name to you use on your’s JM?
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I use Chas Herzog
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“It can’t happen here.”
There will never be a constitutional amendment to ban guns, Grobnix, get over it.
It is not going to happen.
And the Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/
No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away this record – unless they LIE!
Max, in ANY case of national emergency, the Government has a right to declare martial law… And you better believe Gun Controls could well be a part of that martial law…
Max, as a good citizen, and a believer in the Constitutional Law (Which is not present in Australia and Great Britain) YOU would want to be sure to obey the law of your government during such an emergency, wouldnt you??
OR, would you be an insurgent?? A renegade?? An ENEMY combatant???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FNy_8TMSe4
Gun Control History
“I use Chas Herzog”
I would have thought that you have used Mississippi James McCluer…..
Max, I already defended it once… how many times to do you want it posted??
Deny.
Deny.
Deny.
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:22 pm | Permalink
Max, in ANY case of national emergency, the Government has a right to declare martial law… And you better believe Gun Controls could well be a part of that martial law…
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The true Liberal Agenda, unveiled by Chas.
Who has no idea what happened in New Orleans, when law-abiding citizens were disarmed.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:25 pm | Permalink
“I use Chas Herzog”
I would have thought that you have used Mississippi James McCluer…..
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No. That’s only for losers like you who keep using personal information on a blog to score blog points to boost your alcoholic ego.
I know DAMNED well what happened in New Orleans!! And iln a time of emergency, Max, that is the appropriate thing to do!!
One, get over yourself, Grobnix, no one is coming after you and your little popguns. It ain’t gonna happen.
Two, just cut the bullshit, it is truly unbecoming and makes you look like an idiot – hardly a point in your favor.
Three, you know the rules for Constitutional Amendments – and you know that it is not going to happen.
Get over it.
“No. That’s only for losers like you who keep using personal information on a blog to score blog points to boost your alcoholic ego”
Damn, YOU were the one that vehemently denied being JM for over a year, McCluer, why are you blaming me?
Just answer – why did you deny being JM for so damned long?
And, ummm, Max, Your BOY Bush signed off on the powers to allow HIM to do that very thing… He extended the powers to declare martial law… Did it last May!! And it isnt a Liberal Agenda… it is an AMERICAN AGENDA
And Max, ummmm, if YOU didnt go along with the declaration of martial law, then YOU, Max, would be an ENEMY of the government… YOU Max, would become an enemy combatant… YOU Max, could even have a new address at Gitmo… without habeus corpus, or anything close to it!!
Is THAT what you are telling us Max??? YOU would become an itentional ENEMY COMBATANT of our Constitution and our Government??
Thats what it sounds like, Max!!
Perhaps the two Reds (Max and Jimmy) on the blog should get married.
They certainly are made for each other.
I doubt that either of them would ever find women who would put up with their living their lives on a blog.
Getting a real life or a job is just not their thing.
Oh well, they can always continue to live in their moms’s basements and collect welfare from the guvmint.
To answer your question, Heil Hitler, I will not be surrendering my guns, my property, nor my life, to you or anyone else, PERIOD.
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And the Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/
No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away this record – unless they LIE!
Oh, and note once again, in risk of being redundent in the face of redundent personal attacks:
And the Clinton/Obama supporters on this blog cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
They can attack Max, but they cannot defend the 2nd Amendment position of their candidate.
Just search for Max’s posts at this link, and you will see the gun-ban record of Clinton/Obama.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-413/
No one on this blog, or anywhere else, can explain away this record – unless they LIE!
In ONE sentence, Barack Obama destroys the US 1st and 2nd Amendments of the Constitution!
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“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Barack Obama recently said at a San Francisco fundraiser, trying to explain his lack of appeal to some small-town working-class voters.
And there you have it, ladies and gentlemen… MAX admits he would rather become an enemy combatant, than be a good patriotic citizen, and work with everything he had, to get our great nation through a time of crisis….
MAX would rather have the government that he says he loves SO MUCH kill him and all he now owns, just so he didnt have to OBEY a direct order of the President of the United States of America…
I have thought for some time that Max is a true enemy of this greatest nation on the face of the Earth… BUT NOW MAX HIMSELF ADMITS IT TO THE WHOLE WORLD… RIGHT HERE ON THE WE BLOG!!!
And everytime he tries to demean, or belittle anybody else on this Blog, he will be reminded over and over and over, what a low life scum of a mortal enemy of this great nation that Max really is!!
Jeez, I read that and did not see where Obama said anything about wanting to take away your guns or to deny you freedom of religion, Grobnix.
Are you clinically paranoid?
MAX STFU about OBAMA… You just proved to everybody who and what you REALLY ARE!! YOU dont even deserve the right to vote!!!
Anti-government Nazi!!
Max, your words upthread PROVE Obama to be Right on Target with what he said!!! Obama was talking about people like you, and all of those other America haters like you!!!
Folks, you just cant make this stuff up!!
And McCluer, unless you can explain why you lied about being JM for over a year and a half, the rest of your blog “resume” is useless – you have no credibility. You lied over and over and over again.
Why should anyone believe anything on your so-called resume?
You are a fraud, at best.
Yes, Clark, he IS clinically paranoid!! PLUS, Max has allowed his hatred of our government to cause him to forget how to read!!
MAX personifies Obama’s words >>>>
“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
Max is one of those who proves the statement: “Kansas…as crazy as you think.”
Gee and to think he is fellow Red traveler Jimmy’s blog buddy and pal’
How ’bout it James, you gonna go on record as saying you would rather fight your country than support it in a time of crisis?
Native, I dont THINK James will go that far in defending the insurgents like Max…
Such blind fools that will vote for Obama, because he’s Democrat, and he promises the most gifts from Government!
Goodnight, Socialists!
Sure Max, bck to your cage with your Un/Anti-American ideology!!! And you best be careful about coming back again!!
Cling to your religion and your guns for now Max.
The Reds aren’t going to solve your problems but a good psychiatrist would be a good start for you.
Please consider getting some help for your condition.
“Goodnight, Socialists!”
Goodnight, idiots!
Max still cant define a Socialist, Clark… He thinks they are Communists… But now that Max has declared himself to be an Anarchist, it doesnt really matter!! True capitalists would be trying to figure out how to make $$$$ from building/selling firearms storage facilities in event of national emergency… NOT bunkering down, and fighting the power of government!!
I second that suggestion, Native!! :-)
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 7:53 pm | Permalink
And McCluer, unless you can explain why you lied about being JM for over a year and a half, the rest of your blog “resume” is useless – you have no credibility. You lied over and over and over again.
Why should anyone believe anything on your so-called resume?
You are a fraud, at best.
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Because I knew what would happen, happened. People posted my private information on the Web. I got a letter from some nut sent to my sister. I got phone calls. I had CapnAmerica driving by every day and insulting who I was (disabled)
You Libs don’t know how to keep private lives out of a public blog. You love the opportunity to try and ruin people.
Would you like it if I started posting personal information about your family, exactly where you live, your email.
I don’t know why I bother, you think I deserve it.
Those like the coward CapnAmerica who did it needs to have everything in his life exposed right here on the blog and see how much he likes it. Wonder if he would mind if I posted photos of his wife and daughter on the web and where they live?
The trouble with you Libs, is you don’t know how to discuss anything without dragging something personal into it.
As I’ve always said, shows a lack of intelligence and maturity.
Now go ahead Clark, spew your venom, you’re good at it. You’ve already admitted to being an asshole in the past.
Every post you make verifies that.
I’m definitely not a gun enthusiast, but I would stand by those who are.
It is a second amendment right and it will not fall, not on my watch. :)
James, I dont give two hoots where you live, but yet, you have a real fetish for trying to figure out where I am working… Sometimes you get that for which you look for in return….???
“Because I knew what would happen, happened.”
A year and a half and a half dozen nics later.
“You love the opportunity to try and ruin people.”
Nope, just like to point out hypocrisy and lies.
“Would you like it if I started posting personal information about your family, exactly where you live, your email.”
Go for it – you have already falsely accused me of having inappropriate relations with my granddaughter – what could be worse?
“The trouble with you Libs, is you don’t know how to discuss anything without dragging something personal into it.”
Do you mean like accusing me of being gay, having multiple DUI’s or being a Heebie?
“As I’ve always said, shows a lack of intelligence and maturity.”
I agree, McCluer, you do show a marked lack of intelligence and maturity.
So, McCluer, why do you switch nics every few months – why did you switch from JM to one of your other nics – and why did you lie about it for so long?
No guts? Couldn’t admit who you were?
How much credibility do you think your blog resume has now?
What should we believe from you or about you now?
Zip.
“not on my watch.”
The only watch you have McCluer is a Timex – with a missing second hand.
Geez, Clark, yer feedin’ him with a friggin’ shovel.
Just sayin’, man. Peace.
Have I ever posted any of your personal information on this Blog Chas? Do you think that would be fair?
No, I didn’t even know you when CapnAmerica, Steven Davis and J R started in on this. This had gone on for two years.
Look at Clark, he has made several references today, by using my real name, my initials and approximately where I live and that’s just today.
I have to put up with this every day. But Brownlee doesn’t consider this harassment and does nothing about it.
I know Ben’s address and where he lives. I live his private life private. I only ask for the same.
As far as where you work, I don’t care. It would be nice to know what state you live in though. I might want something from there you could send me that I can’t get here.
I don’t wear watches. Something about my physiology makes them stop running. I dunno what it is. If I put on a watch, within a month it will no longer work.
Since I posted a minute ago, I’m seeing the correct response .
Keep it up, guys!
How much credibility do you think your blog resume has now?
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LMAO!
Blog resume…
“…J R started in on this. This had gone on for two years.”
Wrong on both counts there James.
YOUR “this” has gone on for just over a year. And during much of that year, I was largely absent.
My best guess is you do it to yourself. My observation after the fact is that you continue it as you crave attention. My suggestion is you hold to your OWN words, leave the blog, and find the help that you need.
Yeah J R, that’s why you accuse me of being other posters. You don’t care if it’s true or not, you just do it to be an asshole.
Why don’t you leave the blog J R. It was much, much better without you.
You threaten and harass Econ101 and me every day.
You’re the one with the problem J R. You should leave.
Multiple daily harassments qualify for a ban imo.
Regular
Posted April 14, 2008 at 8:43 pm | Permalink
Have I ever posted any of your personal information on this Blog Chas? Do you think that would be fair?
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Not yet… but you do keep trying!! You seem to be on qa crusade to try to prove that I am not ordained clergy. You just tonite were trying to figure out where I am working, because I said something a few days ago how far away I am from Greensburg…
So, have you posted anything personal about me?? NO, not in the strictest sense… But you keep pushing, and trying…. And it wont get you ANYwhere at all!!
James says >>>>
“Multiple daily harassments qualify for a ban imo.”
You might want to re-think that one James… You might be one to be banned!!
Shooting blanks Rage??
“You threaten and harass Econ101 and me every day.”
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, why didn’t you just stick with the JM nic and leave it be?
Why do you continually accuse me of inappropriate relations with my granddaughter, accuse me of being gay or accuse me of crimes against society?
But most of all, you condemn others for having had accused you of being JM, when, after all was said and done, you WERE JM.
Don’t you owe a few folks an apology?
And don’t you think that your “credibility” has vanished?
Just asking…….
“Something about my physiology makes them stop running.”
You must have the proverbial “face that could stop a clock.”
Shooting blanks Rage??
Nope. Just trying to be subtle.
I can see it’s pointless.
Good night, folks.
Why do you continually accuse me of inappropriate relations with my granddaughter, accuse me of being gay or accuse me of crimes against society?
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Where the heck did that come from? I never made any accusations like that. Didn’t even know you had a granddaughter. I think you mentioned a grandson though.
Why don’t you just drop it Clark?
What does it matter?
I owe no one an apology. You don’t like me because I’m on the right and you’re on the left.
Just confess it.
If you can’t address me now as regular, my registered name, then I will consider any other posts about my name and where I live, what I do as harassment and will forward those to the WE Editor in charge.
Wasn’t it YOU James who wanted to make nics irrelevant?
Congrats. You succeeded.
For the con posters anyway. My take is any con poster that I have not met (with a few exceptions) is more of your nic switching.
So FAR I have been wrong only once. That was assuming ksgrm was also one of your nics.
I was wrong and I said so.
You did this to yourself and your side James. Just as your pal “econ paulie Franklin” has made his own bed here.
Invisible ink, Rage?? LOL
No J R, you spent months threatening to post private information about me.
Don’t deny it, I have the posts logged.
You’re the problem J R, not me.
You threaten everyone that gets in your way.
“LMAO! Blog resume…”
We’ll remember that when you claim to be a West Tejas rancher or a Research Analyst for the USAF or a combat veteran or a computer software expert or a champion athlete or a Renaissance Man or one of the many, many, many personas that you have claimed for yourself.
We now know that they are all lies.
I note also that the “spam posts” with the vile nics only started after James threatened the entire blog with his “blog warfare software”.
In fact, I’m firing off an email tonight about you accusing me of being Boxlock. I will build and build and knock your house of cards down J R.
My search engine math is pretty good too there James.
I’m prepared to let the matter drop. YOU brought my former nic into YOUR argument.
I will not add to your attempts to bring yourself attention beyond defending myself against your attacks.
“Didn’t even know you had a granddaughter”
Ya’ want me to find it, McCluer? Do you want to make the accusation about me to my son-in-law, face to face?
Will you go away if I copy and paste it here?
It wasn’t all the long ago.
Come on tough guy, ‘fess up or shut up!
“J R” also accused me of being Regular.
In fact, I’m firing off an email tonight about you denying being JM.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:10 pm | Permalink
“LMAO! Blog resume…”
We’ll remember that when you claim to be a West Tejas rancher or a Research Analyst for the USAF or a combat veteran or a computer software expert or a champion athlete or a Renaissance Man or one of the many, many, many personas that you have claimed for yourself.
We now know that they are all lies.
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Why don’t you try telling the truth Minister? Or is that against your interpretation of the Bible?
I worked as a teenager on a ranch.
I did work in two different research areas and more if you count TDY’s (temporary duty) Kirkland and Brooks AFB.
I played High School sports and intramural in the Military. You got something against pickup basketball during lunchtime?
I stated I was in a declared combat area during the First Gulf War.
Renaissance man – yeah so what, I’ve had diverse experience which you Libs appear to be jealous about. I’ve traveled the globe, have several talents and am educated. What a pity huh?
So how about writing the truth Minister? Or are you going do a “Jeremiah Wright” and explode right here on the blog?
I am firing an email of to Santa about you Clark…tisk, tisk..
Phillip, you have my enduring sympathy. :roll:
oops that should have been addressed to Clark, not chas.
sorry chas…
Who the HELL are you talking to, James??? As you pointed out there, you were quoting from Clark!!! Or are you merely having a meltdown???
I should imagine the editors are rather tired of hearing from you James.
And this needs to be said.
Before you started your ….whatever here, the editors had called two meetups.
Since then, none.
My take is that that is your fault.
LOL Rage :-D
It’s quite simple Rage.
Tell your buddies to stop accusing other of being other posters.
And tell them that dragging in private data on the blog is against the rules.
If they don’t know that, then they will soon find out.
Why should we believe you, McCluer?
After all, you LIED about who you were and denied it for over a year and a half.
You have ZERO credibility – for all we know – you are a sixteen year old girl in her parents basement.
Oh yes Rage, I have a couple of your posts where you implied you were going to post my private information on the blog as well. As far as I’m concerned, you have done so.
“Tell your buddies to stop accusing other of being other posters.”
Unless they accuse you of being JM and then are proven to have been correct?
Like that, JM?
Ask Randy Scholfield, he met me once and interviewed me for a job at the Eagle. :)
Rendering done…time to release the mechanisms of After Effects software…(more renders – blah)
JM is lying about why he is lying.
Typical.
He’s a liar.
He completely humilitated himself as JM. So he had to make up a big song and dance about how he was “moving to Mississippi and wouldn’t be back.”
Then he came out with his new nics thinking that we’d be too dumb to notice that it was the same a$$wipe.
Regular, you think we don’t recognize the same smell of bullsh!t when we smell it?
Instead of apologizing for being a repellent jerk, he just played games, just like he’s playing games with us now about “how we put personal information on the web.”
I never put any personal information about Regular on the web. I drive by his house because it’s on a major street and I can’t help but drive by it, just like thousands of other cars do every effing day.
Even now, he won’t apologize for lying his ass off. One doesn’t apologize when one has no intention of reforming oneself.
What’s with the blanks, Rage??
The editors have only recently decided to make a half hearted attempt to police this blog.
SO, these last almost three years, it has largely been left to the posters to do so.
I am in a new and announced nic only because of the protocols of registration.
The chief problem causer here is WELL documented. I will let the record stand.
Rage, Amnesty International?
And speaking of outing people publicly, it was none other than Regular who posted a link to Ksfrmgrrl’s photo.
“Ask Randy Scholfield, he met me once and interviewed me for a job at the Eagle.”
I guess the broom was too heavy for you to handle on a regular (pun intended) basis?
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:27 pm | Permalink
And speaking of outing people publicly, it was none other than Regular who posted a link to Ksfrmgrrl’s photo.
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No I didn’t, that was someone else. She had talked about her cafe and someone posted a link to it and on the webpage was a group shot of the employees standing in front.
Yet another lie repeated by CraponAmerica.
I didn’t even know she lived in Kansas before that time.
Rage, Amnesty International?
Yeah, ANTI. I’m not affiliated; I just added the link during the “torture” debate.
“I didn’t even know she lived in Kansas before that time.”
LOL OK!
Was it the nic ksfarmgrrl confused you?
I mean really.
You LIVE on the blog.
What’s with the blanks, Rage??
An appropriate response.
Ksfrmgrrl would live in where?? Vermont?? IDAHO?? Uh huh….
Sorry Rage… just thought it was strange…
I have only been on the blog for 6 months, and from what I have seen, generally Regular brings something to the table while WSClark, J R, CapnA, bring nastiness. That is just my opinion. Sure people get pissed and say/type things, but it seems to be constant with the said posters.
Where does CraponAmerica live Chas?
He claims to have lived in Singapore. He gives no details about it, so as far as I’m concerned he still lives there.
“WSClark”
Sorry, ANTI, but when someone accuses me of having inappropriate relations with my seven year old granddaughter, I tend to get a wee bit nasty about it.
Wouldn’t you?
Is that right “Anti”?
Is that why your “initial” posts were as “Anti J R”? That being my former nic?
Like I say, there is an archive.
I guess it is the “return fire” issue that bothers you, ANTI.
Libs do return fire…………………………………………………………….
Sorry, ANTI, but when someone accuses me of having inappropriate relations with my seven year old granddaughter, I tend to get a wee bit nasty about it.
Wouldn’t you?
Damn straight, Clark.
But what does this accomplish? Here, right now?
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:40 pm | Permalink
“WSClark”
Sorry, ANTI, but when someone accuses me of having inappropriate relations with my seven year old granddaughter, I tend to get a wee bit nasty about it.
Wouldn’t you?
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Show where I wrote that or shut up about it Clark.
It was most likely Door King. You know that time you accused him of being a child molester (you said it several times.)
You’ve made lots of enemies on this blog Clark.
Yes “BJ” that is right…..but I thought you said I was Regular? ANTI is all caps- it is not one word in my case “Blew Jay”…..sorry I will try not to do that again.
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Regular
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:24 pm | Permalink
Ask Randy Scholfield, he met me once and interviewed me for a job at the Eagle. :)
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. . . read some of regs posts, figured out he couldn’t read, write or use logic, and showed him da door!
My previous post is and example of what I would expect from Clark in a response….no offense to BlueJay
WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:41 pm | Permalink
I guess it is the “return fire” issue that bothers you, ANTI.
Libs do return fire
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No they return cheap shots.
Even when every thing is smooth. They’ll pop up out of the blue and launch a personal insult or post some private data about someone.
J R has done it many times with me, Econ101 and even threatened ksgrm at her place of business.
J R has threatened Econ101 with knocking out his teeth.
And that’s just a start, J R, Clark and CraponAmerica are the blog disrupters and cause 99 percent of the problems on this blog.
They know it too and try to blame others.
“Show where I wrote that or shut up about it Clark.”
And when I do, you will what, McCluer? Shrivel up and die? (please, please)
“You’ve made lots of enemies on this blog Clark.”
Damn, I am frightened now! Whoa, boy? Woooo!
(Not even a fraction of the enemies that YOU have made, JM.)
I had asked that the offending post be removed, since it was so sick, but I will find it in due time……..
And then you will just go away, right JM?
The archive ALSO reveals where “Regular” aka many other nics tried to negotiate a deal where by he would leave.
But only if he could take out at least 3 other posters with him. Those being myself, Steven, and Capn.
I suspect that is his effort here this evening. He knows how to game the rules and is hoping to use them to do away with posters who do not.
And with that, I end my contribution to his efforts here.
Glad to see you made it, Walker!
Can you talk our friends here into the wisdom of not feeding trolls?
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
“Show where I wrote that or shut up about it Clark.”
And when I do, you will what, McCluer? Shrivel up and die? (please, please)
“You’ve made lots of enemies on this blog Clark.”
Damn, I am frightened now! Whoa, boy? Woooo!
(Not even a fraction of the enemies that YOU have made, JM.)
I had asked that the offending post be removed, since it was so sick, but I will find it in due time……..
And then you will just go away, right JM?
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So you are just making crap up about a post that doesn’t exist.
Typical Clark.
“And that’s just a start, J R, Clark and CraponAmerica are the blog disrupters and cause 99 percent of the problems on this blog.”
Only because we refuse to kiss your big fat ass and bow down to your “superiority,” McCluer.
“So you are just making crap up about a post that doesn’t exist.”
What will you do when I find it, copy and paste it here for everyone to see?
Eh?
Go away forever? Drop the hammer?
Eh?
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Rage
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
Glad to see you made it, Walker!
Can you talk our friends here into the wisdom of not feeding trolls?
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So Rage,
What makes you think others that don’t agree with your life philosophies are classified as trolls?
I would say that the accusations that your buddies make daily and the nasty comments they make daily qualify them as trolls.
Yet, you never call them trolls?
No balls Rage?
Wanna talk about threatening and stalking?
“rob67 and glfr48m
Two emails so easy to track…
wealth of information…
photossexual preferencesaddressesphone numbersweb sites visitedoccupationscities
oh yeah.
Posted by: Republican | April 21, 2007 at 12:20 AM”
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink
“So you are just making crap up about a post that doesn’t exist.”
What will you do when I find it, copy and paste it here for everyone to see?
Eh?
Go away forever? Drop the hammer?
Eh?
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Post it.
I’ve had my nic stolen more than once. I would remember a post like that.
Post it or shut up.
For newbies, Republican is one of Regular’s many nics.
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm | Permalink
Wanna talk about threatening and stalking?
“rob67 and glfr48m
Two emails so easy to track…
wealth of information…
photossexual preferencesaddressesphone numbersweb sites visitedoccupationscities
oh yeah.
Posted by: Republican | April 21, 2007 at 12:20 AM”
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What the heck are you talking about Crapn?
“Post it or shut up.”
It will take a bit of time, but I will, and then you will kindly “drop dead” right?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_19-8/
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:54 pm | Permalink
For newbies, Republican is one of Regular’s many nics.
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Actually, it’s from my Blog/RepubliKansas.
So, it’s for another blog entirely.
Besides Crapn, you switched nics so many times, no one can keep track anymore.
What a hypocrite you are.
James, here’s the problem — just a little while ago, you made the statement that CapN was driving by your house, bugging you… NOW, later, you say you think he llives in Singapore… And YOU also said that you dont care where people on the Blog live, and you wish people would leave you alone!!
OK, BIG GUY, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU REALLY WANT HERE??? TIME FOR SOME ANSWERS!!!
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/04/open_thread_19-8/
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Yeah, that link goes to my blog.
Want an update?
http://republikan.typepad.com/
I don’t know Chas, maybe the Crapn wants to deny working at Central and Rock as well. But I’m not going to post his personal information here.
If he keeps pushing it though – one never knows where that might end up.
It’s time for correct the record with your host J R.
“Even when every thing is smooth. They’ll pop up out of the blue and launch a personal insult or post some private data about someone.
J R has done it many times with me, Econ101 and even threatened ksgrm at her place of business.
J R has threatened Econ101 with knocking out his teeth.
I can prove you threatened to shoot me James. And on more than one occasion.
“Econ” said he would spit on me. I said he would spit teeth. Again, I can prove this.
And I told ksgrm that if I knew what business she was in I would boycott it. HARDLY a threat. Merely the free market at work.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:55 pm | Permalink
“Post it or shut up.”
It will take a bit of time, but I will, and then you will kindly “drop dead” right?
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Post a link to the post.
I can prove you threatened to shoot me James. And on more than one occasion.
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Prove it J R.
You will look as stupid now the first time you made that claim.
J R
Posted January 9, 2008 at 11:17 pm | Permalink
Who is it you live with there James?
You said your wife left and took your kid.
That said, you threatened me on many occasions. If I can destroy you more than you already have…
You’ll wish you were confined to protect you from yourself.
Example of JR’s stealing nics and threatening people: “We have the force of numbers. If there is a poster we want to destroy out of neccesity? We ALL use their nic!” (The multiple JMs posters)
Remember how Republican-Regular said he was too young to have been in ‘Nam?
JM
Posted January 7, 2007 at 11:50 am | Permalink
I remember a Captain coming back from a mission for photo recon over North Nam. His hands were shaking a bit as he drank a cup of coffee. (evidently a SAM missle had clipped one of his wings.)
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/01/im_doing_well_b/
Which time was he lying?
“If he keeps pushing it though – one never knows where that might end up.”
Wow! That sounds like a threat. Woooooooooooooooooo.
Steven–
I put plan A into effect a little early.
We’ll see what happens . . .
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 01, 2007 at 02:13 PM
As per our agreement, I asked Mr. Brownlee to check to see if Kansas’s IP has been used to post any other nics on this thread.
He sent a response back a few minutes ago.
No.
So . . . until further notice, Kansas appears to be NOT GUILTY of nic switching lately.
That is all.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 01, 2007 at 03:13 PM
BTW, Kansas, I’ve had time to do a bone-dig on you that pretty much proves you are JM.
It might be a good idea for you to simply admit it now before you are forever shown to be an unrepentant liar.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 16, 2007 at 10:35 AM
The difference is that important word you used: “admitted” nic-changing.
I don’t lie about it.
I believe you do.
I just thought I’d do the decent thing and allow you to come clean before you’re publicly humiliated.
But . . . have it your way.
Posted by: CapnAmerica | October 16, 2007 at 10:54 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2007/11/open-thread–20.html#comment-90999466
Why don’t you get a clue?
Or should I say . . . get a McClue?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 23, 2007 at 12:03 PM
You know, Kansas, every time I drive by your house, I notice again that your license plates don’t have a handicapped icon on them.
What’s up with that?
Posted by: CapnAmerica | November 28, 2007 at 07:18 PM
Neither did you, you p*zzy willow.
You are one extremely pathic dude. Go FYS. Thanks.
James McCl… lives at… let tell you more, if you are interested in this puzzy willow…
Seriously though, who care about this POS?
Posted by: Steven Davis | November 28, 2007 at 11:51 PM
J
Posted January 6, 2008 at 7:54 pm | Permalink
kool breez this nu 4mat!
Meester KKKKKK….house that seester p**n?
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/01/open-thread-15/#comment-205926
JR I still have copy of a day of posting when you and WSclark threathen me, and my family business. You said you would both picket and come down and put us out of business. I took that very personal. So don’t act so lilly white and say you never threathen.
Posted by: ksgrm | November 28, 2007 at 06:30 PM
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outlanders friend
Posted December 20, 2007 at 11:53 pm | Permalink
Oh come on, you all should quit picking on James McClu–. He looks kind of homeless and lives in a neighborhood that would support that conclusion. Yet, he is picked on by this blog, and he gets his tires slashed…
Chuckle, as the outlander would say.
WELL, JAMES, SO FAR YOU GOT CAPN LIVING IN SINGAPORE, AND WICHITA(DRIVING BY YOUR HOUSE) AND NOW YOU WANT TO HAVE HIM WORKING AT CENTRAL AND ROCK… I DONT THINK YOU TRUTHFULLY KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT, BUT IT DOES GET RATHER OLD TO HAVE YOU FLAMING AWAY ABOUT SOMEBODY POSTING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS ON THE BLOG, WHILE YOU SPEND DAY AFTER DAY, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE PEOPLE LIVE AND WHERE THEY WORK… AND YOU KNOW, WHEN PEOPLE DO TELL YOU, YOU MAKE FUN OF THEM, YOU DEMEAN THEM, AND YOU CHALLENGE THEIR STATEMENTS… I DO THINK YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SHOULD JUST SHUT UP ABOUT IT… EH?? I KNOW THERE ARE PLENTY OF BONE DIGS OF YOUR USUAL CRAP ALL OVER THE ARCHIVES….
A quick search.
You were in your “Kansas” nic then “James Regular”
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Kansas
Posted December 14, 2007 at 9:48 pm | Permalink
Here’s one for you J R, I’m cleaning my twice barrel.
Well James were you cleaning it to present to me for inspection?
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Pleefer
Posted January 27, 2008 at 9:47 pm | Permalink
Cap’n, I already know who you are, Steve Rogers…duh.
“Post a link to the post.”
I will. You accused me of having “my granddaughter sit on my lap when I had ‘morning wood’ just as I had when my daughter was growing up.”
Are you going to go away when I find the post?
Yeah J R, go on with your paranoid delusions about me cleaning a twice barrel.
What a moron.
James is in meltdown.
Editors PLEASE do not interfere.
The blog will be well rid of this guy.
“Example of JR’s stealing nics and threatening people: “We have the force of numbers. If there is a poster we want to destroy out of neccesity? We ALL use their nic!” (The multiple JMs posters)”
Not the first time you have tried this James.
But there is never a link.
I would say that the accusations that your buddies make daily and the nasty comments they make daily qualify them as trolls.
Occasionally, yes , James. Absolutely. I try to encourage people to stick to the facts, but, ya know, sometimes rampant (and occasionally, really stupid-ass) speculation takes over. And also extended, full-on, personal nastiness.
I think it’s because you’re so likeable.
Ummmm If I remember right, a side by side twice barrell is in some cases known as a Ummmmm Boxlock???
Everyone that was on the blog knows that you J R, Steven Davis and CraponAmerica used the Multiple JM’s posting. You stole a nic and all of you freely admitted to it.
As I said before, hypocrites.
Regular has not responded to how he was in ‘Nam and not in ‘Nam at the same time.
James,
You poor dear, you come here all the time and all you get is abuse. Do you like it? It would be hard to understand your motives, otherwise.
You are a very sad, sad-sack. :)
Rage
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm | Permalink
I would say that the accusations that your buddies make daily and the nasty comments they make daily qualify them as trolls.
Occasionally, yes , James. Absolutely. I try to encourage people to stick to the facts, but, ya know, sometimes rampant (and occasionally, really stupid-ass) speculation takes over. And also extended, full-on, personal nastiness.
I think it’s because you’re so likeable
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No, it’s because I fight back.
Duh Libs weren’t used to having someone to fight back.
They thought everyone was just going to lay down and take their insults.
They were wrong.
I can post your words in more full context James.
And there is more than one example.
Of course you COULD clear this up right now.
Do you harbor a desire to shoot or kill me? Will you act on your earlier threats on me and my family?
So how’s Dillons Crapn? Squeezing the two-legged produced still?
Like I said J R, post where I threatened to kill you.
You can’t do it. It’s a paranoid delusion made up in your tiny little mind.
Ahhhhh but there is a big difference between insults and standing for Truth!!
You notice how the pathological liar will argue about everything except his overt and unmistakable lie.
JM = I was in Vietnam.
Republican/Regular = I was never in Vietnam.
Poor innocent Regular would never out anyone on the WEBlog–
With the proper gear and software, I can not only sniff your computer with its MAC address or Data Link Control and have it notify me everytime you come online.
Posted by: JM | November 04, 2006 at 09:53 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/11/when_politician.html
modify the ‘Super Cookie’ to burrow into this particular computer when it visits my website and now I own him.
I know he logs in, what’s on his computer and where he’s connecting from. His computer is mine.
Posted by: JM | November 04, 2006 at 10:22 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/11/when_politician.html
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StevenEDavis
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:21 pm | Permalink
James,
You poor dear, you come here all the time and all you get is abuse. Do you like it? It would be hard to understand your motives, otherwise.
You are a very sad, sad-sack. :)
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You’re the worst Steven Davis.
You hide behind multiple nics and post your ugliness with those hidden nics – Brownlee confirmed that as you slipped up by using the same IP’s.
I have never posted under any name but this one.
Posted by: RepubliKhan | March 09, 2007 at 10:36 PM
Regular, typical Lib threats…..with no back-up. They want to get their accusations in print, and then when the facts come out they will change the subject and say “move on”. Never admitting to the snaky things they do….
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm | Permalink
Poor innocent Regular would never out anyone on the WEBlog–
With the proper gear and software, I can not only sniff your computer with its MAC address or Data Link Control and have it notify me everytime you come online.
Posted by: JM | November 04, 2006 at 09:53 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/11/when_politician.html
modify the ‘Super Cookie’ to burrow into this particular computer when it visits my website and now I own him.
I know he logs in, what’s on his computer and where he’s connecting from. His computer is mine.
Posted by: JM | November 04, 2006 at 10:22 AM
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2006/11/when_politician.html
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Still paranoid about that eh Crapn?
Good.
Forgive this editors and readers.
But some messes must be cleaned up.
The individual currently in the nic “Regular” has caused an awful lot of problems for a very long time.
The editors seem unable to cope with this.
You poor dear, you come here all the time and all you get is abuse. Do you like it? It would be hard to understand your motives, otherwise.
Steven, as Ksag would say: Exactly .
Re: Regular. DNFTT.
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ANTI
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:26 pm | Permalink
Regular, typical Lib threats…..with no back-up. They want to get their accusations in print, and then when the facts come out they will change the subject and say “move on”. Never admitting to the snaky things they do….
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I know ANTI – I’m toying with them and Rage is the only one that sees it. Got to give him credit for that.
They are just too easy ANTI and I’m tired, time for sleep.
(chortles)
“You’re the worst Steven Davis.
“You hide behind multiple nics and post your ugliness with those hidden nics – Brownlee confirmed that as you slipped up by using the same IP’s.”
You will kindly prove this lie, asshole. Thank you very much.
Poor McCluer, he’s kind of like the guy at an orgy that can’t get it up…….
He wants to play, he just doesn’t have anything to play WITH.
“Regular” says he will email the editors to complain about me.
I am on record here as saying this blog does NOT need a babysitter.
And as we are seeing, it does not.
James it is time for you to go and get the help that you really need.
And as he toddles off to bed with his night stand candle dimly burning, he imagines himself the Master of the Blog, which is, after all, his entire world!! The End.
About ready to take off for Miss. Thought I’d leave a parting shot for those who miss laying into me.
Having spent eleven and half years of my life overseas in various countries, most of you don’t have a clue of what your talking about on this subject. :)
Anyway have fun throwing punches at me, won’t be here to receive them after tomorrow.
Heading to that foreign country of Mississippi and river life. :)
Posted by: JM | January 25, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Good bye all,
I’m leaving this blog as I’m spending entirely too much time on it. (Getting cabin fever and all that.)
I will probably head to Mississippi to help out an old friend on his re-construction of his business after Katrina got a hold of it. I’ll still keep my legal residence here.
cya
Posted by: JM | January 24, 2007 at 01:27 AM
BlueJay- your evidence?
There is a psychological term for one who fancies him/herself as “toying” with others… That term is called: Psychic Vampire.
“Chas
“Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:31 pm | Permalink
And as he toddles off to bed with his night stand candle dimly burning, he imagines himself the Master of the Blog, which is, after all, his entire world!! The End.”
Chas,
Homerun! Too funny!!!
It is cowards like you that piss me off, you talk a big game- but have nothing to back it up.
Do the people in Hutchinson know about Crapn’s activities.
let’s drop them a line…
Chas,
As a so called Christian Minister, shouldn’t you at least attempt to place yourself above such petty conversations like this?
Instead, you jump right in, attacking Regular.
I am looking forward to being contacted by the Chaplians office. I am going to love sharing with them your attitude on this blog.
CapN — Earlier today James claimed he went to Mississippi in order to work in the field of Safety and Development, but the conditions were such as he was not needed to stay there… NOW you post up that he wanted to go help a friend re-build a business…. Meantime, my denomination has had people ion the ground in all sorts of volunteer situations since about 48 hours after the hurricane…. Oh well…..
ANTI – don’t bother with J R (aka BlueJay), he’s sniffed entirely too much lighter fluid.
You could possibly be hearing from the Chief of Chaplains office within the next couple of weeks, Nathan(iel)…. And I dont have a clue what my vocation has to do with being in a conversation on this blog, or not… Does being a Marine have anything to do with this conversation, Nathan(iel)???
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:33 pm | Permalink
There is a psychological term for one who fancies him/herself as “toying” with others… That term is called: Psychic Vampire.
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Chas really is into that occult stuff and UFO’s isn’t he. Oh yeah, that 100,000 year old written language originated from Tibet and the Atlantis folks.
Really, I’m tired – going to bed…
Regular- He has had to many back yard flag burings- “honestly it makes a difference!…I am serious you guys! (J R)”
“Regular
“Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
Do the people in Hutchinson know about Crapn’s activities.
“let’s drop them a line…”
Reg,
You sorry SOB, Capn lives nowhere close to Hutch. You are such a dumb, sorry butthead. More evidence that anything this poster (Regular) says is complete B.S.
Night all…
Chas,
I see, you put on the act of being a minister only at church?
Figures.
Nathan,
Chas won’t do anything, he can’t even afford to keep up his house payments and taxes. That third notice on his taxes is coming due any day now. It will have to be auctioned off. Ooops! His wife forgot to tell him about it! Oh my!
By the way?
My friend Rage is essentially correct in this.
It is best NOT to feed folks like James.
It is what he wants.
But I for one am ready to feed him until he blows up. I am sick of what he is doing to this blog.
He wanted to make nics irrelevant. That to protect himself from his own previous posts. He has marginally succeeded but only so far as making MOST right wing posts suspect.
He wanted to have the ego lift that he had changed the forum. The editors gave him that twice. Once when they changed blog providers and again when they changed the rules.
And of course we most of us give him that lift every day on demand.
James? I don’t know what your problem is here. I don’t think you will find your answers here.
But I quite frankly am tired of you having your way here.
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StevenEDavis
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:42 pm | Permalink
“Regular
“Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:38 pm | Permalink
Do the people in Hutchinson know about Crapn’s activities.
“let’s drop them a line…”
Reg,
You sorry SOB, Capn lives nowhere close to Hutch. You are such a dumb, sorry butthead. More evidence that anything this poster (Regular) says is complete B.S.
Night all…
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Never said the Crapn lived in Hutchinson, now did I?
“But I quite frankly am tired of you having your way here.”
It’s really quite simple J R.
Leave me alone. Stop making crap up and saying I’m other posters and accusing other posters that they are me.
It
is
really
that
simple.
Ummmm Naathan(iel) this conversation has nothing to do with being a Marine, or about being Pastor of a Church… I dont see you quoting the UCMJ now do I??? Where is your Marine manliness??? And your spit-shined boots??? Do you wear them at every event you go to??? NO!! YOU ARE JUST FLAMING, AND TROLLING LIKE A GOOD FOR NOTHING ATTACKER THAT YOU ARE!!!
You made your bed here “Regular”
You are on record as wanting nics to be irrelevant.
Well? They are now.
At least for your con side.
Unless they have been met in person, no con poster here is regarded as anything more than more of your ample free and government funded time.
“Leave me alone. Stop making crap up and saying I’m other posters and accusing other posters that they are me.” [JAMES]
You think maybe you can do the same, James?? Surely you wouldnt want J R to do something that you yourself dont seem to want to do… Hmmmm???
Chas,
When you choose to interject yourself as an authority on this blog when it comes to matters of Christianity calling yourself a minister, the way you act and carry yourself on this blog should also be a reflection of that.
I would expect more from someone like you.
You should consider seriously looking at yourself and the way you act here and think about actually trying to present yourself as a Christian minister and then people might actually respect you as such.
J R, seriously you need to back up your mindless threats. Talk a big game, it’s like a play with no conclusion…very disappointing I must say. “speaks volumes about you”
Remember how Kansas/Republican/Regular said he was “never married . . . nobody owned me”
I was a virgin when I got married and don’t mind admitting it.
Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 11:02 AM
I was just under 23 when I married, finished college first. I was married for twenty-five years and was happy for the majority of the marriage. We (my X and I were unevenly yoked) that is, I went to church, she didn’t. The result was that at around age 45 she got to feeling her lack of youthfulness and sought comfort with younger men.
Yes, it was quite painful to the both of us and eventually went beyond reconciliation. It was a dark moment in my life.
Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 11:43 AM
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BlueJay
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:51 pm | Permalink
You made your bed here “Regular”
You are on record as wanting nics to be irrelevant.
Well? They are now.
At least for your con side.
Unless they have been met in person, no con poster here is regarded as anything more than more of your ample free and government funded time.
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Meeting someone doesn’t mean squat to you J R.
You continued to harass KSGolfnut after you met him several times a day.
You just love to harass people don’t you J R?
You love to put your hate out on people.
Just admit you are a hater J R and you love to spread your hate around.
Just admit who you are J R – a hater.
Nathan???? SHOVE IT!!! I DONT ANSWER TO YOU, AND THANK GOD FOR SMALL FAVORS!!!
JUST LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!! GOT IT, YOU DEVIL IN SHEEPS CLOTHING??? LEAVE ME ALONE, AND I DONT WANT ANY MORE TRASH OUT OF YOU ABOUT MY VOCATION, OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT!!
JUST GO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU LITTLE PIP SQUEAK!!!
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:55 pm | Permalink
Remember how Kansas/Republican/Regular said he was “never married . . . nobody owned me”
I was a virgin when I got married and don’t mind admitting it.
Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 11:02 AM
I was just under 23 when I married, finished college first. I was married for twenty-five years and was happy for the majority of the marriage. We (my X and I were unevenly yoked) that is, I went to church, she didn’t. The result was that at around age 45 she got to feeling her lack of youthfulness and sought comfort with younger men.
Yes, it was quite painful to the both of us and eventually went beyond reconciliation. It was a dark moment in my life.
Posted by: JM | December 26, 2006 at 11:43 AM
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My point further made by the Crapn.
This is what they do folks and Brownlee doesn’t do anything about it.
They hold nothing sacred but their own venomous, expletive filled statements.
People like the Crapn are modern day demons, sucking the life blood out of decent people by trying to destroy them.
The Crapn is a gossip and a rumor monger. He will stop at nothing to destroy a person.
Yet Brownlee does nothing.
Brownlee is impotent, wearing the chastity belt provided by McClatchey.
Concentrating your fire on me James?
Why is that? I hit a nerve?
“You continued to harass KSGolfnut after you met him several times a day.”
Uh NO. I never met the goofnut. I WAS at a meetup with him at the Eagle ONCE. I chose not to make his acquaintance.
Chas,
You see? Right there is what I am talking about.
A Christian Minister should be kind, compassionate, and understanding.
You seem to have a hard time being any of those here on this blog.
I will ALWAYS expect you to behave better than you do on this blog. You claim to be a Christian minister and you should start acting like one.
Chas.
Posted September 30, 2007 at 8:58 pm | Permalink
Ahh yes…. JM Jimmy, I think… and last name starts with an M… and I do believe I could post that, but I wont do it
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Chas.
Posted September 30, 2007 at 9:02 pm | Permalink
I have plenty of friends Jimmy boy… dont need you…
“I never met the goofnut. I WAS at a meetup with him at the Eagle ONCE. I chose not to make his acquaintance.”
So “J R” is willfully ignorant.
How is it that the Eagle is responsible for your own words James?
Well, time for bed ….
Good night; Good luck; and
God bless; Whatever you conceive God to be!
Blessings ALL!!
Special blessings for all those, who,
like Nathan, seem to believe they are
better than others…
Nite all!!
“ANTI” is clearly “Regular”
So much for registration.
BJ, again you show your ignorance and cowardice..by the way the Bush AND the GOP is making your bread mold as we speak….better go check it out.
Time for me to go too.
I think the right has been amply embarrassed here this evening.
There J R goes again, Mr. WebTV. JBIRD, BLUE JAY
You know that nic switching J R accusing people of switching nics.
The one that denies meeting KSGolfnut. Yet talks about him daily for months, insulting him.
Yeah, that old hater boy J R.
and no evidence to his claims…COWARD!
ANTI — you always say that… but ya know, you just never say HOW BJ shows ignorance or cowardice… Your words, in and of themselves, are totally worthless and meaningless!!
You see ANTI, these attacks is what I put up with every day for two years.
And they call me the problem.
Go figure huh?
BJ, I seriously doubt that it is the Right or Left, or Red or Blue, embarrassed or not… But I do think opinions have been expressed… Nite BJ!!
I can only report on what I have seen, and as I have said, I don’t see you as the problem Regular. That is all from me…..I expect the coward to chime in as I sign off, again typical lib behavior.
Nite ANTI — Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!!
Okay, folks, looking over this thread, this is how the flame war started. Clark got irritated at Regular, and started talking about a previous nic that’s associated with Regular: JM. Regular didn’t like that.
Don’t worry folks, it’s all Clark has in his bag of dirt.
He has nothing else, he can’t even stay on topic.
Sad to go through life as a drunk, repeating yourself, having your driver’s license taken away and all that.
How hard was it to avoid everything that followed?
(Yeah, yeah, I know, Regular–being accused of having lived in Mississippi is a horrible allegation!)
Clark should have laughed off his allegations of drunkeness and DUI–the same way I laughed off his allegations of racism.
He didn’t, and the result was predictable. The cascading baggage going back to 2006, like an overpacked suitcase.
Why bother?
Rage — One comment — Clark uses his REAL name on the blog… Allegatiions of DUI, or child abuse can have reak repurcussions — even n a blog… much more than Rage being accused of racism… Just thought I would toss that in there!!
Nice try covering for your buddies Rage. But it starts as it always started. Crapon America once again, starts the crap.
He did it the very first day we moved from typepad to WordPress.
He did it previously on the other blog (typepad)
Here’s the real sequence.
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:31 am | Permalink
Hey Ben / bth–
The poster who goes by “Right Angle” says that you can vouch for him that he’s not the same poster as Regular.
True or false?
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CapnAmerica
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:41 am | Permalink
Yeah, I think he’s just lying.
Thanks for the info, Ben.
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Chas
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:06 am | Permalink
Boxlock
Posted April 14, 2008 at 9:38 am | Permalink
Capn,
Nobody even cares what you think, least of all me.
You’re a puppet. The slightest pull on the string and off you go. What a joke.
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Sounds just like what Regular is always saying about CapN – eh?? LOL
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Regular
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
Paranoia still inflicting the Libs, even with a sign -in.
I bet some believe I actually care enough about this blog to create multiple sign-ins.
What knot heads…
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CraponAmerica is always the instigator. His paranoid delusions always start this crap.
Why in the hell would CapN have anything to be paranoid about YOU McCluer?? Did you threaten him with some kind of harm??? Did you threaten to publish on the Blog where he works?? Where he lives?? Other than that, there is NO REASON to call him paranoid… See that is YOUR word, and therefore, if you insist it is accurate, you MUST therefore know why it is accurate…. So, James, what threats have you made on CapN??
As usual Chas, you are clueless and just making crap up about threats.
Everyone that knows CraponAmerica on this blog knows he attacks posters he doesn’t agree with.
He has it in for me, because he slunk off the blog one day and form the gang of Fisters because he couldn’t get Brownlee to do his bidding, that is, make it a Lib blog.
Crapn used to come off topic and post just to harass me and others. Didn’t matter what the topic was about, it was his usual, “this poster is so and so and lies about this, and blah blah.”
No one provoked him, Crapn did this all by himself.
He got his ass kicked at the very beginning of the WE Blog when conservative posters caught him NIC switching.
Perhaps the Crapn wants to get even for being outed so easily, I don’t know.
Just as the Marvel Comic Magazine creator Steve Rogers created a fictional character, Captain America – the Crapn created a cheaper imitation of the same. Of course, no one admires the Crapn and he wants so to be admired.
Why you would ever want to defend that filth Chas, I have no clue.
Perhaps screwed up brains like yours and the Crapn think alike.
BTW, Marvel Comics had Captain America killed off by a brainwashed woman.
Appears that the Crapn has a lot of brainwashed followers.
Who among the brainwashed Libs will apply the virtual bullets into the Crapn?
Stay tuned for real life fiction.
James, now its your paranoia shining bright… See, I didnt say ANYTHING even resembling that said YOU made a threat… I merely questioned if you did? Big difference, eh?? Now, you can shoot back at me all you want… But I know how you work here… And you just look for things to mmake your ever present “expert” opinion turn into facts…. You honestly arent nearly as bright of a bulb on the marquee as you think you are… but please, do carry on!!
Chas,
You are like a dried out gourd. Nothing left, but the rattle of seeds. No substance.
Regular: The seeds are the substance.
I think from here on out, the person who casts the first stone should be put in time out.
Allegatiions of DUI, or child abuse can have reak repurcussions — even n a blog…
. . .which makes the way Clark handled it even worse .
I never saw the child-sex allegations, until Clark brought them up. Notice that Regular denies even making them, so what purpose was served there–other than to bring out an old allegation that no one –not even the supposed accuser–takes seriously?
People who are famous get accused of ugly things all the time. Does George Clooney immediately call a press conference to deny, say, being a heroin addict–because it was on the cover on the National Enquirer? (just making up an example).
I’m sure the real world believes that some guy named Regular on the comments section of a newspaper blog is the most credible source on the planet. :roll:
Public figures can and do sue. Private figures can sue more successfully. And either can (1) Formally notify the offending party to cease-and-desist (2) Formally notify the webmaster and (3) If necessary, drag the offending party into court (Note: Not legal advice, just what I would do).
At any rate, it’s a bad idea to hash it out here. It may make you feel better, but you don’t put out a fire with gasoline.
I never saw the child-sex allegations, until Clark brought them up. Notice that Regular denies even making them, so what purpose was served there–other than to bring out an old allegation that no one –not even the supposed accuser–takes seriously?
Ummm one note, Rage… Regular doesnt deny making the allegations.. just does a well practiced end around, and tells Clark to post his proof (knowing it will take time) … I remember seeing such things previously…
As to the drunk, or druggie aallegation, that is nearly a daily occurrence now…
I told Clark I never made any such allegations. If you tiny brained Libs would read back I discussed this and didn’t even know Clark had a granddaughter.
When I asked for proof, Clark said the post entry had been conveniently deleted. Nice to make allegations against me with no one seeing them but Clark eh?
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Regular
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
Paranoia still inflicting the Libs, even with a sign -in.
I bet some believe I actually care enough about this blog to create multiple sign-ins.
What knot heads…
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Regs first post. And he complains about others. Talk about a knothead.
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JMWalker
Posted April 15, 2008 at 11:13 am | Permalink
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Regular
Posted April 14, 2008 at 10:21 am | Permalink
Paranoia still inflicting the Libs, even with a sign -in.
I bet some believe I actually care enough about this blog to create multiple sign-ins.
What knot heads…
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Regs first post. And he complains about others. Talk about a knothead.
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Context is everything J M Walker, not that you care.
I was commenting on two posters, CapnAmerica and Chas, making allegation that was logging in as other posters.
These accusations occurs several times daily and it gets very old.
So which is it, Regular?
* Were you lying when you said you served in the Vietnam War (actually Thailand) or were you lying when you said you were too young to serve in the Vietnam War?
*Were you lying when you said you were married or were you lying when you said you had never been married?
Now that you claim that you have stopped lying, it would be good to confess of your past lying.
That might begin to convince the readers that you’ve really changed.
Instead, however, you just name-call and lash out at others for pointing out the obvious: you lie.
This is the post from Regular – he stole my nic and posted this crap……………
“Posted March 21, 2008 at 11:37 pm | Permalink
I let my grand daughter sit on my lap when I get wood She likes it a lot just like my daughters did”
You can tell that it was posted by a nic stealer because I posted at the exact same time – and obviously I do not abuse my grandchildren or children.
Maybe it WASN’T McCluer, but he did post immediately before that and tried to smokescreen his filth with a “stolen” nic post aimed at him.
Maybe it WASN’T McCluer – but who is the worst troll, nic switching, nic stealing poster on the blog?
WS Clark,
You do nothing to further getting the conversation beyond this type of behavior when you continue to make claims about Regular which you can’t prove.
“You do nothing to further getting the conversation beyond this type of behavior”
So I take it that you approve of this type of nic stealing/obscene posting, Price.
WS Clark,
I have had my fair share of people using some nic to attack me.
I ignore it.
I don’t like it, but I ignore it.
The nic stealing, that would be a bit more frustrating, and I have not had that done to me for a long time now.
Hopefully, now with registration, that will be a permanent thing of the past.