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By ignoble whips of pain man is finally driven into the Divine Presence, who’s beauty alone should lure him.
Any chance of getting some UN observers to monitor our school bond election?
http://www.wichita259truth.blogspot.com/
Here’s an interesting compilation of contemporary Right Wing hate speech:
http://tinyurl.com/2adazs
Monkey”boy”
I don’t know who Dean Franks is but I liked the quote from him.
Just curious if anyone knows whether the “log-in” is required yet?
Here’s an interesting compilation of contemporary Right Wing hate speech:
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Not that I excuse stupidity, but there’s a lot worse than that from the left right here. (See Greensburg thread) Everyday. You don’t have to have Media Matters compile years of questionable quotes to find worse from the left.
Oh, and the first Limbaugh quote. He didn’t say the first part. I heard it. I wonder how many of the others are fabricated or taken out of context?
“Just curious if anyone knows whether the “log-in” is required yet?”
Not sure Linda. I haven’t quite figured out what “login” entails. I’m “logged in” for the Eagle online right now, but not under this nic.
I’m going to bet that “login” isn’t in effect yet.
I think you’re right, Nano. There were a bunch of the sex, etc. names this morning and I thought (hoped!) log-in would eliminate those.
I don’t know what it entails either. Maybe we will know “it” when we see “it.” ;-)
Ok I need help, I do not see it and no one that is trying to tie it to it seem to give an explanation.
Just what the f**k does a treaty that would allow the selling of tractors, fruit and fertilizer to Columbia. Have to do with National security? It had been hit on hard yesterday in an appearance of SOD and the joint chiefs before a committee of the Senate. Gates wrote an opinion piece that stated that it was a vital National security interest for the Free trade treaty with Columbia to go through as fast as possible.
Several Senators kept harping on how great an ally Columbia has been in the fight on Terrorism and how this is the most important issue to our National security. But in the end it seems as much connected as if they were saying that they had to pass a Resolution recognizing K.U. Basketball team! And to not do it would mean the Terrorists would win and our entire economy would collapse.
I dunno WD, but Columbia is next door neighbor to Hugo.
Try looking up Narco-Terrorism Dog.
Regular
Posted April 11, 2008 at 7:54 am | Permalink
Try looking up Narco-Terrorism Dog.
Of course you’ll find Reagan’s picture (as in arms/drugs/Contras/Iran).
But then Reagan can’t be held accountable because he was suffering from alzheimer’s and didn’t know what he was doing most of the time.
can’t = couldn’t
duh Libs up and at=em early this morning, putting on a fresh coat of whine and complain.
God bless their tortured minds.
Nice. Florida is experiencing record drought, and the state sells Nestle unlimited rights to pump water out of a state park. For less than $300.
Privatizing water supplies. The next big thing.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×3137364
Don’t watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUE65Lea6kQ
Another disaster! Sri Lankan Government using tsunami to privatize water
MONLAR – February 24, 2005
http://www.tradewatch.org/cmep/Water/cmep_Water/reports/srilanka/articles.cfm?ID=13111
Ok, KFG, old news, I know. Just backing your position and showing it’s just the same old Same-o.
It might be a good idea to start bottling air now.
Don’t watch this
You know what kids’ll do when you tell them don’t!
8^b~~~~
The average lifespan of an American male who hasn’t spent five years of torture and deprivation is 74.2 years. On January 20, 2009 John McCain will be 72.5 years old. And he’s an old 72.
It’s not only logical but prudent to consider that President McCain’s Vice-President will be thrust into office. Mittens Romney, Sam Brownback, and Mike Huckabee are kissing so much McCain rump right now with that very prospect in mind.
Exxon (with a fragile single-hulled tanker named “The Condaleezza Rice” hauling Alaskan oil to China) would love to have her a septagenerian’s heartbeat away from the Oval Office.
Florida’s governor, Crist, is a thin, rich, handsome and successful man “who just hasn’t found the right girl to marry yet.” Oh, yeah. The Republic Party’s really gonna swing that way.
The more Americans see John Sidney McCain the Third, the more he looks like Tim Conway doing a John McCain impersonation.
thanks for the clip, Annie. The picture of Max at the end looked a lot better than I’d thought he’d look in real life.
Another example of Drug war BS…
Cost of 5 pot plants: Jobs, not house
By Peter Mucha
Inquirer Staff Writer
Why the burglar alarm went off, Steve Haver still doesn’t know.
Because it did, while Haver and his wife, Karen, were away in the Poconos on the morning of July 8, 2006, Reading police searched the couple’s semidetached three-story home and found five pot plants growing under lights.
Because of that discovery, the Havers were soon caught in a swirl of legal decisions that overturned their lives, prompted questions about the enforcement of marijuana laws, and served as a lesson to homeowners with security services.
Steve Haver spent a weekend in jail on $1 million bail, wound up with a felony conviction for drug manufacturing, lost his driver’s license for six months, and expects to lose his job as general manager of the performing arts center at Penn State’s York campus.
The case has been on the front page of the local paper more than most murders, he said.
After being arrested and jailed on $500,000 bail, Karen Haver quickly lost her job as manager of the Sovereign Performing Arts Center in Reading.
Monday, though, the couple got some good news: Authorities wouldn’t seize her house after all – just the growing equipment.
Under Pennsylvania law, property can be seized by police in connection with a felony drug arrest, and police not only seized the growing apparatus but former Berks County District Attorney Mark Baldwin filed for forfeiture of the house.
Steve Haver described it as an “1895 Romanesque revival semidetached rowhome,” last appraised at $137,000.
As part of a settlement approved Monday by Berks County Judge Jeffrey K. Sprecher, prosecutors withdrew that request while the Havers, through their attorney, agreed to forfeit the seized equipment.
“It was a rather sophisticated growing operation,” Assistant District Attorney Adrian Shchuka said. “… It wasn’t like somebody went to Home Depot and bought some peat moss.”
Besides five three-foot-high plants, police found a high-powered lighting system, a self-contained water system, a fan with a dehumidifier, and devices for measuring temperature and testing soil, Shchuka said.
“The timer came from Wal-Mart, that’s how high-tech it was,” Haver said, confirming he was the occasional user and grower, not his wife.
The equipment, worth only “a couple hundred dollars,” was originally purchased to grow plants for their backyard garden, which was part of a recent garden tour, he said.
What got him interested in indoor growing, he said, “was an interest in gardening, not an interest in drugs. … The true irony of this whole situation is that I really hadn’t been a regular user for about 15 years.”
On Feb. 29, Haver, now 47, pleaded guilty “to put an end to this thing,” he said yesterday. The same day, his wife, 38, began a 30-day probationary period in a program under which charges have already been dismissed.
The consequences, however, haven’t ended.
“I anticipate losing my employment, losing my health insurance, losing my educational benefits, nine credits away from getting an MBA,” Steve Haver said.
Haver is currently on administrative leave, and the university is forbidden by law from commenting on personnel matters, said Barbara Dennis, spokeswoman for Penn State York.
His contract likely won’t be renewed at the end of June, Haver said.
He also is rankled by Pennsylvania marijuana laws and how they are sometimes enforced.
“It’s been quite an ordeal. I don’t think your average citizen has any idea how destructive and draconion our justice system has become,” he said.
People have been sympathetic, sending emails and postcards from across the country, sticking kind notes in the door.
A neighbor even donated to his legal defense.
“People in the community have generally been supportive and have been appalled at the direction this has taken,” Haver said.
Ironically, buying marijuana from a dealer can be a misdemeanor, while growing some at home leaves a person open to felony manufacturing charges, he said.
I thought the same thing myself ghoti!
I bet all the Republican would be presidents are salivating at the chance to be his running mate. Should he somehow win, their dreams would be assured. He will either succumb to dementia, or die of a stroke/heart attack/ or even old age!
5 plants about 3′ high? That’d yield, what?, about a joint a week? Yep, a definite threat to society.
Phantom, saw a bit of a documentary on stem cell bio-industry the other day. Part of what I saw showed sweatshops filled with 70, 80, and 90 year olds (the contention of the industry was with stem cells people can live longer/healthier lives–to work the sweatshops, I guess). And those old farts in the sweatshops looked a lot better than McCain. Must be the makeup.
More on the bushonomy: Consumer confidence at its lowest since 1982 (jr. beat out daddy again); GE reports biggest decline in revenue/profit in decades.
Oh, KFG, just remembered, wate3r privatization (ok, I’m slow, but I eventually get there!). You’ve probably seen this, but here goes anyway. It’s an hour, so take it or not.
http://www.linktv.org/programs/special_water
No REGULAR that can not be it, we have been helping Columbia with that very effectively with that.
Escobar died because we helped and that turned the tide in narco-terroristism. Since then the Columbia government has been hand and hand with us and given us free rein to do what ever we want. This has allowed the Columbians to find their feet and be on the winning side in that battle. Besides how would doing away with Columbia tariffs on imported good from the U.S. effect that? It was already said that imported goods from Columbia into the U.S. are virtually tariff free.
OUTLANDER, that maybe why they were constantly mentioning Hugo but as I pointed out.
We already have the full access to Columbia through our help with their Narco-terrorism actions.
And since Hugo is a greater danger to the Columbians then he is to us, I doubt we would need to sweeten that pie with a trade deal. Bush maybe wanting the Columbians to attack Hugo and then since we are such great allies we would rush in and help or take over. See what I mean, there just is no clear reasoning behind trying to tie the trade deal with National security.
KANSAS, now if I were to bring up Bill Clinton as the reason would you than attack me by pointing out that he has not been President for over eight years! BTW Reagan and the whole Contra affair was Nicaragua. I know I know it is a little pay back for Clinton being said to have been the problem with everything that is happening today. But it does not work for Regular and outlander why should it work for you?
As of 2004 the lifespan for an average American man who has reached 65 is 17 more years, or 82 years old. As evidenced by his Mom’s age and health McCain has some long-lived genes. So it is not likely at all that he would die in office.
I dunno dog, maybe you need to look up how terrorists of all flavors are tied to the drug trade. Including, deals with drug cartels for financing their operations in exchange for services rendered (thuggery, assassinations, etc.)
Drug money is huge and it is still money, terrorists look closely and carefully into this huge pot of almost untraceable source of income.
But since you already appear to have formulated an answer to your question, what do I know. :)
Yeah fish, I love Link TV!
It’s crazy that municipalities are looking at selling or leasing their water systems to private operators. And folks like Coke and Nestle are buying up water rights to sell more bottled water.
I love those commercials about “forty minutes with a book” and a billion years in a landfill. Then it cuts to someone pouring “responsible” water from a Brita pitcher.
Did I mention I love my Brita pitcher? heheheheheh
Bring back Coleman jugs and ice…
From Boortz
“Interesting … Randi Rhodes calls for someone to assassinate George Bush and nothing happens. She calls Hillary Clinton a whore and she’s off Air America. Hmmmmmm”
“outlander” squirms –
“As evidenced by his Mom’s age and health McCain has some long-lived genes. So it is not likely at all that he would die in office.”
“Not likely?” At what age did John Sidney McCain the Second die? And, best as I remember, McBush’s Mom didn’t spend five years of torture and fish-head soup.
At best, at the most optimistic, McPain is treading in a pretty treacherous gene pool.
Ah, but “outlander” tries a feeble attempt to dismiss the (elderly) elephant in the living room: McSame is an old coot.
McCain has bragged about remembering people and conversations and details about hearing of Pearl Harbor. I’m way older than I care to admit but I don’t remember a world without television.
I saw a run-of-the-mill campaign appearance on C-SPAN the other day. Maybe it was a long day. Maybe John Sidney McCain the Third couldn’t make it and “Dorf” was filling in.
The Republic Party candidate will have to walk that tightrope between trying to convince people he won’t die and picking a veep candidate whom Americans have every reason to expect will be elevated into the job.
So who’s your choice for McSame’s running-mate, “outlander?”
Show your work.
Not at all Regular, that’s the problem I do not have a answer and have already taken into account the drug trade. I am not belittling it, certainly drugs are a major funding source for terrorists. Look at Afghanistan and the poppies, but as to fighting it my point is that we are already there and fighting it with their help. So how would the trade deal help that or have an effect?
The drug trade is a law enforcement issue and not a military one for the most part.
The question is valid and I do not have a reasonable answer to it. And before someone said it is just more of the fear tactic. surly there are more tricks to the pony then that one trick? If that was it then that implies that either they think we are just that stupid or they are. Maybe I will get an answer in a few moments, on CSPAN there is going to be a discuss at the Cato institute about the Columbia trade deal.
Did I mention I love my Brita pitcher? heheheheheh
Bring back Coleman jugs and ice…
You drink water? Fish (not me, REAL fish) make babies in water.
I usually cite a more vernacular version of that.
Monkey, I don’t remember a world without television (It came out in the 30s, right? debuted in the 26 world’s fair? a handful of really rich had some in the 40s? Really took off in the 50s?) I do reemmber when Bonanza came out in color.
You can tell when you’re getting old when you know more people in the obits than in the police notes.
““Interesting … Randi Rhodes calls for someone to assassinate George Bush and nothing happens. She calls Hillary Clinton a whore and she’s off Air America. Hmmmmmm”
And ann coulter calls for someone to blow up the NYT building and she’s STILL ON THE AIR!
hmmmmmmm…..
Heh fish. That’s why I use a Brita…
Living in the desert, I wouldn’t think they could get away with privatizing the Colorado river, but I suppose anything is possible. I know they sell plenty of the the bottled stuff during the 6-month summers.
I have a Brita tap filter myself–Tucson water usually tastes awful unfiltered.
but ya know, the best and sweetest water in the WORLD is at the end of my garden hose when I’m working in the produce patch.
Mmmmmmmmmm. Comes out at about 58 degrees and clear as a bell.
I wonder how long THAT will last out here?
kfg
Coulter doesnt have a radio show. She writes. And her column has been dumped from numerous papers.
But she’s still Hot!
But she’s still Hot!
Of course she is: that’s just due to the extreme temperatures in her natural habitat .
Does she still have the pointed stick?
Hope it lasts along time kfg. My irrigation well water has that nice, chemically benzene taste to it.
Thanks outie. The water table drops every year, and I’m only about 30ft. to water.
“But she’s still Hot!”
Good one Rage!
I guess, heckie, if you like Skeletor in your bed.
Anorexic women are just too high maintenance for me!
P.S. Henry Rollins had the perfect job opportunity for her!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgSBhlw-o9E
She just need some steak and taters to fill her out a bit.
I guess, heckie, if you like Skeletor in your bed.
Oh, Christ, KFG, I choked on my tea! You trying to kill me? :)
This remains my favorite Ann Coulter web site:
http://tinyurl.com/bjtun
Warning: Probably NSFW for you wage slaves.
But it’s funny.
Uhm, same warning for my link.
Sorry (get a good severance package!).
heheheheheheh!
What the hell! Is this the United Socialist States of America – or do we still have freedom in this country?
What RIGHT does society have to tell private industry what to pay their employers, leaders, or anyone else for that matter?
“Obama, in remarks he planned to make to reporters Friday morning, wants Congress to pass legislation he has sponsored that would require corporations to have a nonbinding vote by shareholders on executive compensation packages.
Under Obama’s legislation, shareholders could not veto a compensation package offered to an executive and would not place limits on pay. Rather, they would have a means to publicly express their position”
“We” the government should keep it’s paws OUT of private industry.
The far left, has gone way too far. I would hope some of you are smart enough to realize Obama’s proposal has ZERO impact, and is only an election year ploy to feed off the anger of the proletariat.
Do you all feel this way?
“The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. ” Lenin.
The closer to election day it gets, the more “Leftist” Obama will get and people will see why Obama is the most Liberal person in the Senate.
Well, the Songbird will be taking her leave soon. My temp. assignment will soon end; my home PC has been broken for nearly two years; so I won’t have access to a computer unless I go to Kinko’s and frigging well rent one.
Last night, while idly perusing some old videotapes I had made while a younger woman, I came across a Discovery Health Channel program on human reproduction. It was a lovely, graphic program – one which buttressed my conviction that not every man is a direct derivative of the drippings of a rabid vit viper.
At one point, I heard this gem: A woman’s chances of becoming pregnant are greatly enhanced if she…..well, if she…..oh gee, can I use that word here? I mean, we’re still in Kansas.
Well, let’s just say – if she crosses over that yellow brick road into the Story of O(z). I got a good laugh out of that one, I must say.
I hadn’t yet read the late Pope John Paul II’s 1960 book “Love and Responsibility” in December 1974, so I wasn’t sure about all that stuff – or how the Lollipop Guild had anything to do with it.
But, oh, I just found this and other claims just so delightful. My ex once belched, “You ain’t gonna git pregnunt – ’cause yew worry ’bout it! It’s only the b–tches that don’t worry ’bout it who git themselves in trouble!” (Funny how the Mayor of Thimbleton left ‘imself out of the equation.)
Oh, my – I just thank my goody two shoes for a sense of humor. ‘Cause I need it. I’m not sure what the story of ‘O’ has to do with sperm meeting egg any easier, but evidently it do. Oh well, I’m not the first young girl who “got herself in trouble” after the last of four very woeful acts of coitus contradictus.
Gee, to think I did all this s–t on my own. WITHOUT crossing over into the enchanted Elyssian fields which evidently aid conception.
Wow, I must REALLY be hot s–t – all that and the Wednesday papers……
Pssst. . . AW, publicly-held corporations are not exactly “private industry.”
A corporation is a legal entity (technically, a juristic person) which has a legal personality distinct from those of its members.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation
Corporations enjoy several benefits from their government-bestowed legal status.
And going from something as wimpy as a nonbinding shareholder vote to V.I. Lenin is about as silly as it gets.
Of course, this came from the fine mind who believes the “top 10 percent” pay for everything in America.
Well, the Songbird will be taking her leave soon.
That’s too bad. Come back when you can–you’ve been a quite positive addition to this zoo! :)
heh Songbird,
You haven’t ever resorted to proactive remedies like cold cream, hair curlers and that time of month scenarios have ya? :D
Mayor of Thimbleton
coitus contradictus – heh
Thank you, gentlemen: Perhaps, if I can find a permanent job, I can have my ‘puter fixed.
Only time will tell, I guess. Or perhaps I’ll be sold into white slavery by the drug dealers in my neighborhood. But probably not. At six feet of fightin’ female, most criminals are ‘fraid of me!!!!
On April 18, the documentary film “Expelled: No
Intelligence Allowed” opening at 1000 theaters will clearly expose the links between atheism, secularism, liberalism, Darwinism, Naziism, eugenics, abortion, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, and genocide.
There may be riots at theater entrances.
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“She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
. . . Democrat Jerry Zeifman, the general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee who supervised the work of Hog Futures Hillary, then a 27-year-old shyster on the Watergate investigation in 1974, on firing her for her conspiracy to deny counsel to President Nixon during the investigation
- – -
“I never cease to be amazed at the misogynist attitude of some of the people in this country. I say to hell with them.”
. . . British sodomite Elton John, in support of Hog Futures Hillary
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“I don’t care. Charlton Heston is the head of the
National Rifle Association. He deserves whatever
anyone says about him.”
. . . leftist Hollywood actor George Clooney, on the criticism of his ridiculing of Heston’s incurable and eventually fatal Alzheimer’s disease
Why Cheney is grinning?
Check out the reflection in the sun glasses. heh heh
http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/photoessays/outdoors/06.html
Why do you wingnuts need guns when you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI
Rage,
Publicly held corporations are not government-held corporations. They are not US property.
Those of us who are shareholders, do not need Soviet style leadership directing affairs. Hell, our government cannot direct their OWN affairs.
They have no business directing any legislation on salaries. Maybe government should directly control the salaries of ALL workers, heh?
In case anyone was interested, the discussion at the Cato Institution was informative. They presented a sound and reasonable argument in support of the agreement. It would be in the best interest of the U.S. and as to one possible thought of like other FTAs. The suspected allowing for U.S. Job loss to Columbia appears not to be the motive. We already had an agreement that would have allowed such losses and has not.
The only argument that might stand some looking into, was one of the audience read from a 1989 DEA intelligence report naming the current President as a close associate of Escobar. And active at the time within the cartel and having opposing the extradition of drug criminals.
There was no mention of National security, so the question remains. “Why are they trying to tie it to National Security?”. My conclusions based on what I hear, this may come as a shock to you.
But it does appear both the Democrats and Republicans are playing partisan politics with it.
The Democrats are delaying it as a way to show Bush they are bulls too. And the Republicans are in deed throwing the old bug-a-boo up of National security.
Songbird, I have one junking up my basement. I’d give it away just to get rid of it and it’s perfectly good.
Why do you wingnuts need guns
Annie, some get corvettes, some get big, red trucks, some just get a mistress, the others need guns to compensate.
“On April 18, the documentary film ‘Expelled: No
Intelligence Allowed’ opening at 1000 theaters will clearly expose the links between atheism, secularism, liberalism, Darwinism, Naziism, eugenics, abortion, Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, and genocide.
There may be riots at theater entrances.”
I doubt that, because most people are not as stupidly credulous as you appear to be.
Sorry to hear Songbird. you’re the only homie I have here.
damn, annie, get that guy some Right Guard. Everytime he raises his arms whole crowds die!
Publicly held corporations are not government-held corporations. They are not US property.
Straw-man. Corporations are regulated by government. And, generally speaking, private contracts are also regulated by government. The SEC exists for a reason–we saw all too well what happened in the unregulated environments of the 1890s and the 1930s.
The power of government to do so derives from the commerce clause of the Constitution, and the legal entitlements given to this fictional “person” by law. And, by the way, government regulation of private contracts goes back a long, long time in the common law–long before there were corporations, and before Karl Marx was even born.
I suppose the shareholders could object on First Amendment grounds, but they could also try to close their books from public inspection under the same rationale. How well do you think that’d fly?
Those of us who are shareholders, do not need Soviet style leadership directing affairs. Hell, our government cannot direct their OWN affairs.
They have no business directing any legislation on salaries. Maybe government should directly control the salaries of ALL workers, heh?
This is just silly. No one is legislating salaries. Obama’s legislation simply mandates that shareholders express their views on the subject (hence the possible First Amendment objection).
And by the way: I assume you also think that mininum wage laws are a Soviet tactic, too?
How about SEC filings?
Or OSHA and USDA inspections?
What are the contours of your simple-minded “no governmnent interference” doctrine?
SONGBIRD you will be missed, hope you enjoyed your time with us old cranky winers. You did bring some light into here.
Oops s/1930s/1920s
“Why do you wingnuts need guns when you can do this?”
Well annie, why should you leftwingers need big government when you can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwqjYIMh6bs
did you see the cat’s name on his tag? Blackwater.
Sorry Rage, it’s still government interference where it doesn’t belong. More importantly, it is a campaign tactic to rile up the working class against the big and evil CEO’s and corporations.
It will accomplish nothing, except continue down the road of government interference with free enterprise.
Since our government (president and congress) insist on spending our nation into debt, they have zero intelligence or capability to direct the salaries of private citizens.
Obama is playing you.
“cat’s name on his tag”
Cute fish, but there was no tag. But it perfectly illustrates the nature of the liberal left – cannot survive without mana from the government god.
AmWay, I agree it accomplishes nothing, rage practically said as much. And as for it being an election year, yeah, Obama is playin’.
As for “tactic to rile up the working class against the big and evil CEO’s and corporations”, too late. The ‘evil Ceo’s and corporations’ already did a fine job all on their own.
I would agree that it’s more symbol than substance. Like I said, “wimpy.”
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a
trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
Thomas Jefferson, 1812
Source:Liberty Quotes
http://home.att.net/~jrhsc/jeff.html
“The ‘evil Ceo’s and corporations’ already did a fine job all on their own.”
I don’t think so. It’s a media blitz. Great propoganda.
But I’ll bet you have plenty of products in your home, garage, and fuel tank – from those corporations.
Petty jealously of the working class. And NOW?
“The government needs to DO SOMETHING about these evil business people.”
Y’know, that really isn’t the case. Makes a good story though. You don’t get welfare forever. And many of those I’ve known over the years who’ve resided in the tenements, tracts, projects, or as I call them, Stay Free Mini-Pads, used that Gov’t stipend to actually survive while they got their education and are now high tax paying members of the Republican Party.
Some of them even bitch about welfare people. Is that how you got your start?
Indeed aw like those fine lib outfits like bear sterns, country wide mortgage big corporate agriculture ect. Everytime I look up the free market keeps getting bailed out by the Fed.
Anyone else impressed by the editorials of
Davis Merritt lately? He seems to be nailing some issues on the head for me (everything from the abrogation of responsibility of the poltical media to the disingenuous of the Bush Adminstration and its management of the FDA).
AmWay, I’m by no means saying all companies are inheirantly evil. Actually, I just found it easier to c/p the ‘evil Ceo’s and corporations’ from your post, so they’re your words. but you have to admit, the biggest and best are not setting a very good track record for themselves.
BTW, the ‘in your fuel tank’ is a push for me. What I get in oil royalties every month is practically all spent on gasoline prices
Toto’s not in Kansas anymore, so I don’t always see Buzz Merritt’s work. I would agree that the older he gets the smarter he gets.
And I’m grateful.
Throughout history, when the corporations and aristocracy, in concert with the government, keep their heel on the necks of the working man, the working man rises up to reclaim their place in society.
If you don’t think it can happen here, just keep pushing a pro-corporation, pro-business, anti-worker agenda.
Since the beginning of the Bush presidency, the gap between the haves and have-nots has steadily grown. McCain promises more of the same.
Yeah, it PROBABLY will not happen, but if the pendulum continues to swing in favor of big business, don’t count it out.
Login works. :)
So I noticed. And there’s a preview window that mirrors the same thing in real time. How goofy! :)
If you’re having trouble posting under the new system, I found that I had to log out, then long back in and I’ve had no problems after that.
A message under your name of:
You are logged in as Whomever – means you’re good to go.
I really like the comment preview – that is an enhancement
Merritt is a treasure. I would recommend his book: Knightfall:Knight Ridder and How the Erosion of Newspaper Journalism is Putting Democracy at Risk. I believe you could argue with how dire the problem is as reflected in the title, but he does give one a great deal of info about the newspaper business in general.
I really like the comment preview – that is an enhancement.
It’s definitely an improvement, but I think most people catch their mistakes when they’re removed from what they’re currently typing — in the second pass. I could be wrong–the different background and typeface make the mistakes more noticeable–especially the HTML mistakes, obviously.
Oh, well, maybe I’m just being a cranky whiner, or a wanky criner.
I just regestered under 2 names, so registration of different nics seems to only be limited by how many different e-mail addresses you have.
I found that out too Steven, log out, then log back in.
I’m glad the registration is finally here. Of course you’ll be able to do it under different emails, how much a pain in the butt that will be though.
just regestered under 2 names, so registration of different nics seems to only be limited by how many different e-mail addresses you have.
I thought about doing that to test it out.
So it’s like I said: those with multiple personality disorder will have to work a little harder. On-the-fly sock puppeting is impossible (but also, alas, will be some of the interesting on-the-fly posts we’ve seen from new people before).
To new people : the registration process is indeed easy.
I see on the old threads that some of the spammers have had no problem with registration!
Hog Futures….
HOG FUTURES? Now that’s a terrible thing to say about an individual, no matter what you may think of her politics!
I can understand why some people are acutely angry. Why they believe they’ve gotten a raw deal in life. Why they’re meaner than cat s–t. My neighborhood is full of these forlorn, bereft souls: There’s the dude with the hygiene problem whose presence would melt stone. There’s the dude with the miserable stuttering problem who simply cannot communicate – even with Conway Twitty on a semi-cogent day. There are countless cast-offs who cannot find meaning in their lives, no matter how diligently they try.
And then there’s the ironic George Clooney reference.
My, my. “Liberal” to one person isn’t necessarily person’s definition. And, no, I certainly do not condone his callousness toward Charlton Hesston or any other Alzheimer’s sufferer.
Not everything is so black and white. Not everything is so easily understood; that’s probably why I’ve been scratching my fo-head on this one.
Too much gray area for one day………………
“OBAMA EXPLAINS GROWING SMALL TOWN AMERICA RESENTMENTS:
‘And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations’…”
http://drudgereport.com/
Well I’m the same-same American Way who started posting here last summer. However, when I went to register, that name apparently has already been taken. I notice a few of the other posters have slightly changed their NIC’s upon registration.
Does this mean some low-life troll has already registered using a bunch of our NIC’s?
Anyway, the American_Way is the real McCoy.
Still standing for truth, justice, and the American way of life…….
“Does this mean some low-life troll has already registered using a bunch of our NIC’s?”
Beginning to look like it. Wonder what time will tell?
I have returned to be the bane of all of you reichwingers who want to destroy this great country.
Yuck,
Registration.
It won’t even let you use a space in your nic.
Hence the end of “J R”
Bluejay was my nickname when I was a kid.
Guess why?
My prdiction, as ever, is that this will cut down very little on the bad behavior. But it DOES make it more difficult for readers and new posters who will likely not bother anymore. Hits WILL go down. Count on it.
Blue jay? That must be a liberal bird.
I’m sorry for you.
…..so amway, what’s WRONG with a “liberal” POV?
My nickname in High School was…………….. Captain America.
Can’t use that one – spoken for…………….
Ha!
Americanway: What’s a liberal? I’m told the term came from Economic policies of 19th century England where those who wanted to pay low wages so as to keep things cheap and plentiful thereby benefifcial to the masses were called Conservatives theretofore, Tories. Big problem with that thesis is that you had to have money in the first place to benefit. Then there were the other guys who felt the workers should be able to consume the products the make. They were called Liberal thertofore, Whigs. Problem with that theses is that no worker was ever gonna be able to buy a Rolls Royce. So,there are two ideal situations that could never be fully experienced, hence both flawed. Is that what you mean, or do you assume that the Toronto Blue Jays, twice World Series Champions, function in some kind of socialist dungeon called Canada? PS Now that we’re all logged in, I do declare that I am not an agent for the Chinese Communists Government, as hinted at the other day…their damn cheque bounced!
They are talking a lot about what Hud posted, LOL OH the righteous indignation! Clinton has jumped on it and so has Mc Cain. Both are accusing Obama of being out of touch with the Common Man! Maybe I hang with more common a man then most. I have heard and seen all that Obama said for over thirty years!
The truth might hurt be what he said was the truth, people ARE embitter and when they are embittered, disillusioned, lost and hurting they do turn to Religion for comfort. They do turn to the gun when they feel they are being attack or that the world it turning to crap. THEY do blame illegal immigration others whom do not look like them to explain why they lost a job or can’t find a job.
Obama is doomed, a politician whom said something that is true has no future in America! Hillary has accused him of being an elitist, I don’t know from what he said it sound like he has been hanging around with the common man to me….
TEST
“writerdog” –
I, too, see the people Obama is talking about. I see them every day. You can practically smell the fear. They’re afraid of terrorists, afraid of Muslims, afraid of Mezkins, afraid of Jesus’ wrath, afraid of their boss, afraid of their bank, afraid of the cops, afraid of their daughter’s boyfriends, afraid of gays, afraid of the guy at the wife’s job who’s been hitting on her….
The Republic Party has cultivated and nurtured fear for political gain. It’s part of their plan to promote fear among white lower-to-middle class males. And it’s worked.
We see it in this forum every day.
evening wingnuts!
Good post, MHawk.
*****
Here’s another one for “the fish rots from the head down” catagory:
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/story?id=4635175&page=1
Bush Aware of Advisers’ Interrogation Talks
President Says He Knew His Senior Advisers Discussed Tough Interrogation Methods
By JAN CRAWFORD GREENBURG, HOWARD L. ROSENBERG and ARIANE de VOGUE
April 11, 2008—
President Bush says he knew his top national security advisers discussed and approved specific details about how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the Central Intelligence Agency, according to an exclusive interview with ABC News Friday.
“Well, we started to connect the dots in order to protect the American people.” Bush told ABC News White House correspondent Martha Raddatz. “And yes, I’m aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved.”
As first reported by ABC News Wednesday, the most senior Bush administration officials repeatedly discussed and approved specific details of exactly how high-value al Qaeda suspects would be interrogated by the CIA.
The high-level discussions about these “enhanced interrogation techniques” were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed — down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic.
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Poor semi-retarded Lyndie England had to go to jail. Bush and Rumsfeld go on to lucrative “consulting” jobs . . .
On another note, I thought this illustated the problems in our health care system bery well:
PAUL KRUGMAN: MARKET VOODOO WON’T CURE HEALTH CARE WOES
Elizabeth Edwards has cancer. John McCain has had cancer in the past. Edwards bluntly pointed out that neither of them would be able to get insurance under McCain’s health care plan.
It’s about time someone said that and, more generally, made the case that McCain’s approach to health care is based on voodoo economics — the foolish claim, refuted by all available evidence, that the magic of the marketplace can produce cheap health care for everyone.
As Edwards pointed out, the McCain health plan would do nothing to prevent insurance companies from denying coverage to those, like her and McCain, who have pre-existing medical conditions.
The McCain campaign’s response was condescending and dismissive — a statement that Edwards doesn’t understand the comprehensive nature of the senator’s approach, which would harness “the power of competition to produce greater coverage for Americans,” reducing costs so that even people with pre-existing conditions could afford care.
This is nonsense on multiple levels.
For one thing, even if you buy the premise that competition would reduce health care costs, the idea that it could cut costs enough to make insurance affordable for Americans with a history of cancer or other major diseases is sheer fantasy.
Beyond that, there’s no reason to believe in these alleged cost reductions. Insurance companies do try to hold down “medical losses” — the industry’s term for what happens when an insurer actually ends up having to honor its promises by paying a client’s medical bills. But they do it by only covering healthy people, screening out those who need coverage the most. They also deny as many claims as possible, forcing doctors and hospitals to spend large sums fighting to get paid.
And the international evidence on health care costs is overwhelming: The United States has the most privatized system, with the most market competition — and it also has by far the highest health care costs in the world.
Yet the McCain health plan is entirely based on blind faith that competition among private insurers will solve all problems.
“very well” not “bery well” LOL
Test!!
Been on the roads since Tuesday.. Wife’s surgery turned out OK so far.. Long Week!!
Good night; Good luck; God bless –
Whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
SO Obama is now coming out as the elitist he is?
Well he was willing to throw gay people under the bus.
I guess the blue collar and no collar is expendable too?
MAYBE he doesn’t really intend to cut so many loose to work with the enemy.
Maybe.
For now, the process plays out and we learn more and more about Obama. This is a good thing.
Chas–
Are you busy on May 4th . . . heheheh . . .
(Bush in Greensburg)
Maybe now the Editors can get the clock up to speed on CDT… LOL
JR.
Guys who grow up in one-parent families living on welfare and food stamps . . . elitist? I don’t think so.
CapN — Would it be worth going to see Bush??
Can we march in protest, and carry signs??
It would be a 3 1/2 hr. drive from where I am right now…
Well, news travels at Internet speed.
Obama’s response, which I offer without comment:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/samgrahamfelsen/gGBWx9
“Guys who grow up in one-parent families living on welfare and food stamps . . . elitist? I don’t think so.”
I have to say up front. I could be entirely wrong here. And if I am I will apologize.
But?
My take from posts here is that Nathan grew up in a one parent family on food stamps and in public housing.
And as I say, this is only my perception from posts here.
Would I vote for Nathan Capn?
Would you?
I agree! If the news will cover the perfect PR set-up for bushco in Greensburg and show Kansans in that light…
Let’s make sure there is another side to the story! I’m up for a march, a protest, sign carrying, whatever tells that Kansas has intelligent life!
It won’t do any good.
I TRIED to protest bush along his parade route when he visited Wichita.
I was run off because my Tshirt identified me as a “security risk”.
All it had was bush, cheney, and ashcrofts picture with the logo “Axis of evil”.
Definition of a Progressive Liberal:
A person who is in favor of the following:
Redistribution of wealth by the government.
Creating a level playing field for everyone, regardless of their philosophical, religious, ethnic, racial, gender or sexual preference up to and including homosexuals, bi-sexuals and the transgendered.
Full acceptance of sexual preferences up to and including homosexuals, bi-sexuals and the transgendered. These individuals are equally qualified and should be acceptible to be parents, teachers, etc., etc.
The government is the final solution for everything.
A total belief in evolution as perfect and proven science and the total opposition to anything that disagrees or is percieved to threaten it. There is no god but man himself because he is the highest level of evolution.
To always negotiate with terrorists, no matter how close they are to the border.
To provide equal rights under the US Constitution for terrorists.
To subject the sovereignty of the US to UN laws.
Worship the creation itself. Seek to save the planet by all means necessary, expecting to control creation itself and fully sustain it.
That is mostly just plain BS American…
We could give it a try! Our in the boondocks we MIGHT get media coverage even if the idiots in charge of bushco pushed us many miles back! It’s worth a try so Kansas isn’t ALL buchco wants it to be. I’ll drive! The biggest vehicle we own will only seat five adults..
s/b OUT in the boondocks…
That is ALL bs! Scroll over that nonsense.
I know Kansans are mainly what bushco thinks reality is, let’s show the world he is wrong AGAIN. bushco won’t ever know reality, but aren’t you tired of being thought of being as stupid as he is?
The responses of the Progressive Liberals begin….
Linda, I will have to pass…
#1) Its a Sunday
#2) It’s a 3 1/2 hr. drive…
#3) I willl be working on the Baccalaureate Service here.
Walk on by!!! Walk on by!!
Oh this will be fun!
The righties are always STRICT interpreters of the Constitution.
Let’s go line by line through “American’s ” post
“Redistribution of wealth by the government”
“…provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare..”
“Creating a level playing field for everyone, regardless of their philosophical, religious, ethnic, racial, gender or sexual preference up to and including homosexuals, bi-sexuals and the transgendered.”
From the Declaration of Independence:
“created equal, endowed with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
“The government is the final solution for everything.”
“That government of by and for the people, shall not perish from this Earth”
Abraham Lincoln
Then “American goes on a religious rant. That’s his right. NOT enshined in law but implicit in it’s founding is the seaparation of church from state.
Either the bs or walk on by strategy worked for me.
Organize it and I’ll go.
But in seven years, has any of the voice of dissent reached bush?
Yeah at a ballgame here recently.
And what you have to remember is,
the louder average Americans protest, the better job bush feels he is doing for the haves and the have mores. For bush, protest is affirmation he is doing a good job.
But in seven years, has any of the voice of dissent reached bush?
Heh, when it did, it made the guy famous!
Remember Harry Taylor? Did you get the same email as me, JR? He’s running for Congress!
And this one goes out for “Songbird” if she can still see it.
I know what it is to have your technology fail.
I have a friend who helped me to get back here when my web access failed.
He doesn’t post here anymore. Maybe with registration, he will come back.
But I think he would help you.
“It won’t do any good.
“I TRIED to protest bush along his parade route when he visited Wichita.
“I was run off because my Tshirt identified me as a ’security risk’.
“All it had was bush, cheney, and ashcrofts picture with the logo ‘Axis of evil’.”
Wouldn’t it make a great story if they tried to shut down desent in Greensburg, KS? “Yes, Steven, it would!” I hear you cry. Lets give some thought to doing this. I can drive too, my car gets 30+ MPG and I could take 3 or 4 besides myself. This is a great idea. We need to do this, y’all; all y’all as they say…
And I can write, regardless of the outcome. There is no way to lose here. It is time for assaults against the machine.
Let’s do it.
Is that right Rage?
Cool!
Oh I remember Harry alright.
My tag line for awhile was “bush? Answer Harry!”
“I have a friend who helped me to get back here when my web access failed.”
I would say you had friends – plural – J R. We can be relied upon for more support, I am sure.
Damn but I love a road trip and a lost cause!
kfg from the west and some of us from the East?
To quote Rooster Cogburn, I was born game and I intend to go out that way.
My little truck cannot carry but me and one other. And I do not trust it for such a drive.
But I’ll ride along.
Damn I hate losing my J R nic.
BlueJay fits me better though.
What Steven says is true Songbird.
Sing out. We’ll get ya fixed up.
“have a friend who helped me to get back here when my web access failed.”
That’s correct. Liberals are always begging for handouts. Just like J R got a free computer from another poster, he KNOWS the ropes on federal handouts and any others he can garner.
EVERYONE one not working or not supporting their own children should own a free puter – best way to advoctate stealing money from other people who worked hard for it.
“My little truck cannot carry but me and one other. And I do not trust it for such a drive.
But I’ll ride along.”
Consider the above as confirmation of my earlier post.
Beggars one and all.
I thought it was JBird not BlueJay
jbird web JIMMEH tv
protesting can be mighty dangerous in these here United States especially if your under 2 feet tall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NiCBfKkvSs
“That’s correct. Liberals are always begging for handouts. ”
I see James “Regular” “American way” has figured to game registration.
I predicted it.
Well James? What YOUR side does is reduce people to begging. Keep them living paycheck to paycheck on their kness.
It is true. I was given a computer by a friend when my webtv failed.
Shortly after, I found my own computer and that same giving friend, with the help of others, helped me improve it.
Here I am.
And here I am pledging whatever help I can bring to get another American a continued hearing here.
Against that? What has YOUR side got “American way”
A Progressive Liberal response?:
“BlueJay
Posted April 11, 2008 at 10:11 pm | Permalink
Oh this will be fun!
The righties are always STRICT interpreters of the Constitution.
Let’s go line by line through “American’s ” post
“Redistribution of wealth by the government”
“…provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare..”
“Creating a level playing field for everyone, regardless of their philosophical, religious, ethnic, racial, gender or sexual preference up to and including homosexuals, bi-sexuals and the transgendered.”
From the Declaration of Independence:
“created equal, endowed with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
“The government is the final solution for everything.”
“That government of by and for the people, shall not perish from this Earth”
Abraham Lincoln
Then “American goes on a religious rant. That’s his right. NOT enshined in law but implicit in it’s founding is the seaparation of church from state.”
“…provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare..”
Defense of the country – Yeah, we should defend the country and retain it’s sovereignty!
Promote for the general welfare. We all benefit in our own welfare (not state sponsered welfare) from being citizens and have more freedom than anyone in the world and are created equal by and for God’s plan (the creator here mentioned) and endowed with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. We are given freedom in Christ.
“The government is the final solution for everything.”
Emphasis should be placed on the “of” and “by” because we as voters and as people engaged in the process us our God given abilities to enable others to have life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Not as something given to them without effort.
“Then “American goes on a religious rant. That’s his right. NOT enshined in law but implicit in it’s founding is the seaparation of church from state.””
If you read the constitution you will find no reference to the seperation of church and state. I challenge you to show me where it does.
It was only referred to in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a church and in the letter it refers to the concept (my words) that the church should not be controlled by the state, but that it was good that godly men were in government to sustain a lasting and succesful democracy.
. . . and the troll posts start, right on time.
JR he’s pissed cuz your cutting out the middle man.That’s where they make their ill gotten gains.
Try http://www.Thomasjefferson.org Search under “religion” You will be surprised what you will discover…
Am_Way, JR is now a Blue Jay.
Not sure all Libs are beggars. All Socialists are though.
Rge, did you expect anything else?>?
Rage, did you expect anything else?>?
Told ya.
Registration won’t stop James aka “Regular” aka “American” aka “American way”
“What YOUR side does is reduce people to begging.”
I don’t have a “side” J R… Your comment indicates everyone is a “victim” of the actions of other people. You must have someone to “blame”.
Unfortunately, the liberals live by this proverb, and use it repeatedly to garner more from those who earn it – to redistribute like Robin Hood to those who don’t.
I do not have ANY obligation to you J R/Bluebirdie.
I don’t own YOU or anyone else zelch.
But you and your kind BLAME someone, so you can use that as an excuse to steal from others what is rightfully theirs.
Stop the troll nonsense with me. I registered, and now, like I HAVE POSTED TO YOUR IGNORANT TROLL CLAIMS A MILLION TIMES:
Please email the editor of the WEBLOG and complain.
I registered like everyone else. Now the editor can confirm. Whenever BLUEJAY feels someone does not agree with him, or when he cannot respond to an opinon posted by anyone else – he resorts to name calling and labeling. If he can successfully “lump” everyone opposed to his posts as “REGULAR” he feels he is successful in his endeavors.
So suck an egg.
Hi Max! I see someone stole you normal NIC too. Just waiting and bidding their time to nic-switch.
Trolls one and all.
Yes, I caught J R is Blue Bird. Hence my:
American_Way
Posted April 11, 2008 at 10:37 pm | Permalink
Naw, Chas, I even said so upthread.
Like I said, it just makes it harder to splatter randomly. Every post has to have a registration associated to it.
So far, assuming “American” is AoUSA, we’re at least dealing with known quantities.
No sign of “Blog Editor” etc.
Hey Chas,
http://www.Thomasjefferson.org
This is not a good link. Takes me to the twilight zone.
Yeah you created several email accounts and attached nics to them James.
Big whoop.
I guess it DOES make you keep notes as to your passwords.
You would not be so defensive if I was not hitting a nerve.
J R/Bluejay or anyone bothering to read his rantings:
EMAIL THE WEBLOG EDITOR AND COMPLAIN IF YOU THINK AMERICAN_WAY = REGULAR.
Ignorant name calling to stop any reasonable discussion on the blog by Bluejay. Period.
Nuf said.
AW, one definition of “trolling” is nasty personal comments made to provoke a flame war, and no other reason. Your comments are pure trolling and deserve no response.
P.S. The registration system applies to probably most Wordpress blogs. I was very surprised that “Rage” was available.
“Max” is about as generic as it gets.
“Unfortunately, the liberals live by this proverb, and use it repeatedly to garner more from those who earn it – to redistribute like Robin Hood to those who don’t.”
Your correct Am_way,
Perfect examples of these people are Bill Gates Warren Buffet George Clooney Steven Speilberg George Lucas on and on.They are constantly calling the Moose house and trying to shake down the herd.
I guess I should welcome registration.
It does not hurt me. I only ever posted under one nic.
I just do not like that it makes it difficult for new posters and readers.
James?
I can smell him in any nic. As I have shown this evening.
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BlueJay
Posted April 11, 2008 at 11:12 pm | Permalink
James?
I can smell him in any nic. As I have shown this evening.
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Points and laughs at the paranoid.
Am_Way, we could all be Regular.
OK try http://www.jeffersonhour.org
Hey, the registration requires name, and mailing address, in addition to Username and password… A little tough to make up addresses that are different, just to have more than one name on the Blog…
Regular, since you signed up for everybody’s nics, are you going to sell them their names back?
I don’t need “Max” back though. I’ll live with the full name.
$995 per nic.
Sound about right Regular?
Or 2 for $1750. (For the double nics out there)
Or 3 for $2000. (For the tripple nics out there)
I keep all names in my ‘nerf’ jar, occasionally feeding them Triscuits and rain water.
An online auction might be fun.
I’ll bid $4.99 for “J R”
Don’t let em out after Midnight, and whatever you do Regular, don’t let them have water!
“Perfect examples of these people are Bill Gates Warren Buffet”
Warren Buffett’s Tax Math Fuzzy at Best
by Todd Sullivan
CNBC has an interview today in which Buffett describes the taxes on his office. He pays 17.5% tax “on average” on his income and that the rest of his office pays 32%. This is the “unfairness” in the tax system he alludes to.
Here is the flaw, the higher taxes those people pay? It is social security taxes, a “tax” for a program those people will need far more than Buffett ever will. After $85,000 in income you no longer need to pay the 7% tax on your income. Buffett takes a $100,000 income from Berkshire plus the thousands he makes from board seats and dividends in stocks he owns privately. It also does not take into account any tax free income Buffett may receive from Federal or Municipal bonds he owns which would dramatically lower his “percentage”.
Now, Buffett has said 90% of his net worth is in Berkshire stock which means he has some $5 billion in other investments which could generate $10 million in income taxable at 15% if invested in dividend paying stocks that have an average 2% yield.
I do not know what the secretary in the office makes but lets say she is paid a fortune in Omaha, $85,000. Her “average” tax will average the 32%. Now Warren, will pay the same percentage of his first $85,000 and then pay only 25% on the next $15,000 since no SS tax is paid. Now, if we add the dividend stocks scenario, we lower his “average” tax rate to 15.5%.
I have no idea what Warren has the $5 billion invested in but the exercise is meant to show not that the “income” tax rates are “unfair” or tilted to the rich (although they all should be lowered) but that Warren’s wealth allows him to invest vast sums in investments that lower his “average” rate easily. It is important to note that these investments are perfectly legal and available to all people and everyone can lower their average rate by using them.
The bottom line is that the only way for Warren’s argument to have any real legitimacy is for him to detail his income sources. Without the details, the whole argument has no merit.
Another note: The last time congress tried to “sock it to” the fat cats, we got the AMT which is systematically now killing the middle class.. be careful what you wish for…
Just lower all the rates and we all win…”
Gurufocus.com
Hey, the registration requires name, and mailing address, in addition to Username and password… A little tough to make up addresses that are different, just to have more than one name on the Blog…
It’s possible, but it would require a hilarious amount of hassle to pull it off–particularly in real time. You’ll excuse me if I don’t post the details! :)
The joke would be on them.
Hey Capn?
If ya see this?
I told you so.
BLUEBIRD: I told ya CapiN! See! Dem Yoo EFF OOOOO’s exist!
Look at em CapiN!
eeeets “invasion of the body snatchers” all over again!
CapiN! I’m deja vuing my pants!
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(chortles)
“Spock” would have been a better name then “Blue Jay”.
Then when Spock cries out for Capn, it would bring back great Star Trek memories.
AmWay, Max’s Modified Flat Tax would take care of everybody.
The rich, like the Kerry’s, tie up much of their money in tax-free municipal bonds.
Kerry’s earn something like $100 million/year on her inheritance stash of $1 billion. Much of it tax free.
Get out Pat Herron or Eier too there James.
Me I’m going to bed.
Max I could live with a flat tax. I was just responding to the liberals who ask themselves, “What would Warren Buffett do?” like Christians ask themselves about what JC would do.
Warren Buffett is an extremely wealthy man, who has made his money off the very evil corporations run by evil CEO’s the liberals are gunning for. He has been and is invested in corporations which individually hold less than ideal positions in a perfect world. Supporting children slave workers overseas, dirty oil, gas, and nasty coal companies, is all part of a well balanced portfolio. And now, feeling guilty and very comfortable in his happy golden years, he wants to be remembered as being a good man. Of course, he really doesn’t part with much in the way of his pocketbook by doing so. He has amassed billions off the “slave labor of the working poor”.
But hey! Everyone needs a hero. And liberals need a leader. Who better to lead them than millionaires and billionaires?
AmWay, they wonder why some of the rich pay a lower percentage tax, but they forget:
1)To look at the total tax paid.
2)All the tax shelters and tax-exempt money the rich have.
3)The % of the total tax paid by the top 10%!
The Libs will NEVER say what percentage tax should the rich pay? Or, how much of the total income tax should the rich pay? Or, how much they should have to pay themselves! (They won’t admit to wanting to pay nuthin!)
Well lookee here, mature discussions when the Libs vacate the blog.
Dependfs on how one defines mature LOL
AmWay -
I think it is worthy of mention that, with respect to your analysis of Buffet’s tax bill versus his secretary, those payroll taxes she pays are actually being siphoned off to pay for the war, with IOUs being written to the SSA. In other words, she and the rest of the middle class are paying the war bills, and the wealthy class have been let off the hook. This is why the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy need to be reversed. Not only is it a question of tax fairness to the middle class, but it is also a question of preserving the health of Social Security. Whether she is actually able to receive the benefit of her “investment” in the SSA will depend on how long she lives, how long she continues to work, and how many years it takes to restore tax fairness to the middle class.
there is the professional world of warcraft power leveling here. welcome.