Democrats are understandably worried about their prospects in November, given how much Hillary Clinton and Jeremiah Wright have weakened Barack Obama. But Frank Rich of the New York Times noted that John McCain has his own electoral challenges to worry about. Will anti-war Ron Paul supporters vote for McCain? How about all those religious conservatives who still hate McCain’s guts? And what about the millions of new voters Obama has helped register in the Democratic Party? Rich also noted national trends that are going against the GOP:
“A Democrat won the first round of a special congressional election in Mississippi, even though the national GOP outspent the Democrats by more than double and President Bush carried this previously safe Republican district by 25 percentage points in 2004. A Gallup poll last week found Mr. Bush’s national disapproval rating the worst (69 percent) for any president in Gallup’s entire 70-year history. For all his (and Mr. McCain’s) persistent sightings of ‘victory’ in Iraq, the percentage of Americans calling the war a mistake (63) also set a new record.â€
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While wondering why 800,000 Pennsylvania Republic Party members even bothered to show up for last week’s meaningless primary election, it’s significant that more than 25% voted against McCain. The twice-born gave Huckabee 11% of the PA vote; the Paul-bearers come in second with 14% of the GOP vote.
And there’s a big issue that’s coming; one that’s 71 years in the making.
John WMD McCain’s age will come into play, especially when the old man picks a running mate. If he turns to loony wing for vice-president people will become concerned about the ability of a man in his 70s to fully perform in the world’s most important office.
Here are two words that should terrify you: “President Brownback.”
Phillip acts as if Obama is the only choice the democrats have. Once he and Hillary pair up, whoever is in the lead…we will easily take this election as well as state elections as well.
MOST people are onto how messed up the Republican party is and are turning away.
“given how much Hillary Clinton and Jeremiah Wright have weakened Barack Obama.”
Jeremiah Wright has sabotaged Obama.
Obama has hurt Obama. With his own words.
Hillary Clinton has done nothing but provide an alternative to that business.
A problem ALL candidates face is how to hold their flank (right or left) without losing the middle. In 2000 the 3% that Ralph Nader took easily cost Gore the election - hanging chads notwithstanding. That 3% would have easily swung BOTH Florida and New Hampshire into the Gore column. McCain, a man I once respected as a maverick, seems to be pandering to the right with Hagee, Parsley, etc. And as noted above - who will he pick as a running mate? If I were advising him I would tell him the same thing I would tell Clinton or Obama: pick a moderate governor.
Over on the Democratic side this has not been quite as big a problem this year as in other years. However it is still important IMO for the nominee to pick a running mate from the center.
“Hillary Clinton has done nothing but provide an alternative to that business.”
LMFAO. Yeah and snipers in Bosnia, being named after Sir Hillary. Chelsea jogging in NY on 9-11. The FALN pardons. Paid for pardons. Firing her travel officer. Peter Paul. Opposed NAFTA. Instrumental in the Irish peace process. Rwanda. Billing records. The release of the Macedonia refugees…
The list goes on and on. If you support a habitual liar, at least admit it.
Will Ron Paul supporters support McCain? Not likely. Not likely at all. I am hoping to see a strong turnout for the Libertarian party. I am hoping the GOP will take notice and take the party back to its origin.
And that picture of McCain. “D’Oh”. You can almost hear him saying it. Like all those times he confused Shia with Sunni. He knows he is supposed to bomb Iran, just can’t remember why. D’OH !!!!!
Good points Sol. I pose a question to you: Who might McCain choose as a running mate that could possibly swing your vote to him?
Wow, I’m starting to have a new respect for the party-hearty Bush daughters.
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First daughter Jenna Bush isn’t as committed to Republican candidate John McCain as her parents are, who are firmly behind the party’s expected presidential nominee.
Jenna Bush told CNN’s Larry King that she is open to learning about all the candidates - including the Democrats.
King asked Jenna Bush and her mother, Laura Bush, who appeared with her, whether they had a favorite between Democratic candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
“My favorite is the Republican,” said Laura Bush.
Her daughter wasn’t as sure. “I don’t know,” Jenna Bush said.
I think the Dems should dreg up that attack ad that Bush ran accusing McCain of fathering an illegitimate black child.
Although . . . it didn’t seem to hurt Jesse Helms much.
“dredge up” . . . my bad
Ben,
Absolutely no one. I will never vote McCain. I think his best bet, though, would be Huckster first, then Romney. Huckster might garner more of the Southern and definitely more of the Christian vote. Mittens would garner more of the corporate and Mid-West vote.
Won’t amount to dried poo for me though. I loathe McCain and all he stands for. I will most likely vote Bob Barr should he get the Libertarian nod. Thanx for asking. Are you a Hillary or Obama backer?
I think it is extremely disheartening what a popularity/scandal laden primary this has been. It has all been about connections and lies. Fluff if you ask me. I want to hear about policies. I want to see track records. McCain’s speak for themselves.
‘Ol “Free Ride” has sure lived up to his name recently, what with the kid gloves the media put on every time he asks them to.
Here’s Josh Marshall’s takedown of the Repuke spin that when John McCain said that we’d stay in Iraq for “100 years,” he meant “100 years.”
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/04/tpmtv_in_his_own_words.php
As Josh Marshall says, “He’s asking that when his opponents quote him, he’s demanding that they pre-spin his own words on his behalf.”
And, just like clockwork, our McCain lovin’ media is only too happy and quick to oblige. Here’s the lead of an AP story, which claims as TRUE the Republicans’ objection:
“The Republican National Committee demanded Monday that television networks stop running a television ad by the Democratic Party that falsely suggests John McCain wants a 100-year war in Iraq.”
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MCCAIN_100_YEARS?SITE=VTBEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
Nothing false about it: McCain ABSOLUTELY suggested “100 years” (shoot, he even said “1000″ or “10,000″) on numerous occasions. Why should the press be in the business of explaining that what McCain SAID was not what he MEANT?
“Liberal media,” my ass. Our media is designed to protect Republican Presidential candidates and to destroy Democratic ones. Howard Dean in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008: end of story. The machine does what it is designed to do.
This year the real contest is between the American people, who want change, and the corporate, insider media, that likes the status quo just fine, thanks.
Oh, and regarding the topic of the thread? Later in the clip, at 3:25, we have RON PAUL hitting McCain on this same point.
Sol,
Interesting. I wonder how widely your sentiments are shared.
Cap’N,
Actually, I believe it’s Strom Thurmond you had in mind.
Carleton ‘Carly’ Fiorina may be McLame’s choice for VP.
“Interesting. I wonder how widely your sentiments are shared.”
I pray for ¾ of the GOP base.
And don’t leave out Al Gore “I invented the internet,” CF.
Then there was “Governor Moonbeam” Jerry Brown who had the temerity to propose alternative energy when it could have actually done some good.
The “liberal media” had no compunction about “correcting the record” when Michael Dukkais’s face morphed into murder-rapist’s Willie Horton.
Gary Hart too was hounded out of the running by the “liberal media.”
And even today, CONs may not remember that Jimmy Carter brokered peace in the Mid-East, but thanks to “the liberal media,” they remember he was attacked by a rabbit.
I suppose we should be happy the Dems are pursuing the lies. Must not have much to work with.
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“The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a nonprofit and nonpartisan project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, says: “It’s a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage ‘endless war’ based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea.”
The Democrats are undeterred. “It’s seldom you get such a clean shot,” a senior Obama adviser told the Politico. It’s seldom that you see such a dirty lie.”
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZWZlYWU5ZjViYjU0NjMyMmQ5ZTY3NjhkODI2MzI5MWI=&w=MQ==
Yeah, Gallup Polls. Poll those who live in the most liberal districts or when all else fails, poll your fellow MSM liberal buddies.
Ah . . . Strom Thurmond
You are correct, sir.
In the immortal words of Al Franken, “The peckah! . . . it knows no bigotry.”
McCain: “simply loathed by many fellow Republicans”
http://www.americablog.com/2008/01/mccain-simply-loathed-by-many-fellow.html
But prominent conservatives like David Keene and Grover Norquist still loathe McCain,
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/2005/11/mccain_2008_hyp.html
I loathe McCain and all he stands for…selfish,, unabashedly self-promoting
http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02/21/what-we-actually-know-about-mccain-and-iseman.aspx
Keep hope alive !!!!
Hell I think the bulk of conservatives that will/do support him do so solely because he is all “our” side has to offer and “we” just can’t have a democrat in office…
Rich is right. McCain and Republican candidates for Congress are going to get their collective rear ends kicked. Why? The elephant in the room that Republicans hate to acknowledge is Bush’s Misbegotten War. The number one issue in the public mind is not Bush’s Recession, it’s Bush’s War. The primary reason that the economy is sucking wind is the price of oil; the economy will not truly re-track until we stop deficit spending and reduce the price of oil, and that will not happen until we throw off the cost and other burdens of trying to occupy Iraq. Bush’s War was a colossal blunder. Truly patriotic voters understand that fact.
The second reason that the Republicans will lose is because McCain will throw a temper trantrum when pressed on the irrationality of his support for Bush’s War. It’s inevitable.
Taking bets on the date that McCain will lose it emotionally? I’ll take mid to late August.
At his age McCain shouldn’t be buying green bananas, much less worrying about the next election!
Economy grows by 0.6% in first quarter.
That means we were NOT in a recession!
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080430/economy.html?.v=4
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/dnc_vs_mccain.html
What factcheck.org has to say about the Democratics willfully misleading (lying) 100 year ad.
Maybe even if McSame was just talking about having permanent bases in Iraq for the next 100 yrs., people don’t like the idea. Especially, when we will be actively engaging the natives for 3/4 of that time.
We need to get out of the Al-Sadr/ Malaki class wars revolution. They’ll decide how to split up the spoil oil income eventually.
I’ve listened recently when McCain is speaking, like yesterday when he delivered his “health care package.” I think they might be giving him downers to prevent him “losing it,” as he has in the past. He sure put me to sleep and I thought it was possible he was going to fall asleep mid sentence.
“It’s a rank falsehood for the DNC to accuse McCain of wanting to wage ‘endless war’ based on his support for a presence in Iraq something like the U.S. role in South Korea.”
Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Buffet says that under 1 % growth in GDP in recessionary. But what would he know.
Sol - I have become somewhat unhappy with both Clinton and Obama due to the tone of their internecine battle. However, against McBush I will easily vote for the Democratic nominee.
I see the media repeating history and treating Mcsame with kid gloves like they did bush, and look what that got us!
Sol, I’m about to the point where I must resign myself to voting libertarian (yet again) Bar looks pretty good. I hope that he can keep his 7%
Actually, there are several different definitions of the word “recession” —
But no matter which definition suits you, a “recession” with positive economic growth is a very mild recession:
http://economics.about.com/cs/businesscycles/a/depressions.htm
Turns out John WMD McCain was against a 100 year occupation of Iraq before he was for it –
“Three years before the Arizona Republican argued on the campaign trail that U.S. forces could be in Iraq for 100 years in the absence of violence, he decried the very concept of a long-term troop presence.
“In fact, when asked specifically if he thought the U.S. military should set up shop in Iraq along the lines of what has been established in post-WWII Germany or Japan — something McCain has repeatedly advocated during the campaign — the senator offered nothing short of a categorical “no.”
Read it all here:
http://tinyurl.com/6ag2qk
McCain looks like he just read this after giving a “Surge is Working” speech!
U.S. deaths in Iraq at seven-month high in April By Peter Graff
27 minutes ago
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The death toll for U.S. troops in Iraq reached a seven month high in April, with the reported deaths of three more soldiers on Wednesday bringing the monthly toll to 47, the highest since last September.
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U.S. and Iraqi forces have been engaged in intense fighting over the past month with Shi’ite militia fighters in Baghdad’s tightly-packed Sadr City slum.
Listen to the Repukes whine and moan about the McCain ad.
“It’s not what he meant . . . wahhh!”
Didn’t bother them in the least when they were hammering Sen. Kerry about “if you don’t pay attention in college, you end up in Iraq,” which was referring to President Bush’s idiocy, not the troops.
But they didn’t have any problem hammering him with it.
Then there’s the Swiftboat Liars who practically had their own show on Fox.
Al “I invented the internet” Gore was pounded non-stop for something he never said.
So . . . is it somewhat misleading? Yeah.
And you McCain people deserve it.
In this case, two wrongs DO make a right.
To hell with “fair play,” this time we win by any means necessary.
Sol, did you see this?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2008/04/nev_gop_recesses_state_convent.php
Oh, and btw, I’ve got a real, whole brisket on the smoker today while I weed and water my half acre of potatoes and onions! Homemade sause too, although it will never reach Rudy’s nirvana!
Note to self . . . send DNC more money and tell them to keep the pressure on.
The more the CONs whine and moan, the more good it’s doing.
“To hell with “fair play,” this time we win by any means necessary.”
What happened to st. obama? I dont think he shares that sentiment. He’d rather lose than get off his high hat, I mean high horse…
Surely the candidate of hope and change wont be willing to take part in “any means necessary”?
KGrrl,
Our onions are up and growing like weeds.
When are you supposed to pull them? Or do you just leave them in the ground until you want them?
New bartering ploy: Will weed for brisket! ??
Any takers??
And Ksdem? Poll after poll shows it’s “the economy, stupid”.
But keep thinking you can ride that iraq horse to the white house….
You sure are a ksdem. Completely unaware of the number one issue in every poll.
Surely the candidate of hope and change wont be willing to take part in “any means necessary”?
Well . . . that’s where we apparently disagree.
The Obama 50 state registration drive is one way we’ll win.
Clinton bringing new people into the party?
Yeah, not so much . . .
Hee hee hee gster. Hell, if y’all come out here and weed for brisket, I’ll even buy the beer!
Ya know, I initially misread “weed for brisket”. I thought that would be a damn fine trade.
If it was good weed!
Heh heh
The pic.
“Dammit! Crapped my pants again!”
Hee hee hee gster. Hell, if y’all come out here and weed for brisket, I’ll even buy the beer!
Ya know, I initially misread “weed for brisket”. I thought that would be a damn fine trade.
If it was good weed!
Cap, if they are short day onions, you can pick them when they are the size you want, and yeah, I do leave them in the ground, but I stomp down the tops so they dont go to seed.
If they are long day onions, I wait until the tops die back, then dig them and put ‘em in a cool, dry place outside to “cure” and store.
Believe it or not, I’m getting a dollar an onion for the BIG sweet Candy variety, in both yellow and red.
oops, sorry for the double post.
Is this blog slow or is it me and mine?
capn - kfg - I cut the onion and garlic greens and use them in salads and cooking. Garlic greens especially add a lot of zip.
Farmie,
Thanx for the link. I have GoogleAlerts set for anything Ron Paul. This is happening all over the nation. About 1/3 of the time the GOP steps in and shuts it down. I myself am going to ‘run’ for a precinct delegate slot. I won’t go to the convention, but I will help elect those that do. Should be interesting. You betchyerass I’m going to cause some problems if the GOP steps in again.
I haven’t yet had the balls to smoke a brisket. I have a decent smoker, but DAMN a full brisket is expensive. If I wrecked it, I’d hang myself. I mean with that kind of money, you could buy 2 gallons of gas.
Hope it turns out for you.
Hmmm . . . this is the first time we ever grew them . . . have no idea what type they are.
They were smallish yellow sets.
A dollar an onion! Whoa. Looks like the Bush economy isn’t all bad.
As the dollar becomes worth less than the paper it’s printed on, “real stuff” like crops and copper are going out of sight.
outlander,
Here’s McCain upping the ante
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com
But if you’re going to use the word “liar,” outlander, you really need to defend yourself rather than hiding behind a bunch of websites.
Did McCain repeatedly say that he would approve of the U.S. being in Iraq for 100, and, now we hear, 1,000,00 years in Iraq? He did. Repeatedly. Unprovoked.
If your objection that the remark needs to be restored to its context, fine: McCain said something to the effect that Americans would be fine with continuing their occupation in Iraq if the end result were to be an ongoing U.S. presence such as one sees in South Korea, Germany, or Japan.
This changes nothing about what he said, and actually makes things worse for him. Iraq is no South Korea. It is no Germany or Japan. Iraq is completely disanalogous to any of the precedents that McCain tries to invoke. And the fact that he tries to make the comparison not only does not get him off the hook for saying what he said, it actually raises new lines of questioning both with respect to his geopolitical and historical sanity, and with the fact that he is now reversing his earlier remarks concerning Korea.
“However, the article did not note that McCain has also previously dismissed the need for a Korea-like troop presence in Iraq. As Media Matters for America noted, on the November 27, 2007, edition of PBS’ Charlie Rose, McCain was asked by Rose if South Korea “is an analogy of where Iraq might be … in terms of an American presence over the next, say, 20, 25 years, that we will have a significant amount of troops there.” McCain replied, “I don’t think so.” Rose then asked: “Even if there are no casualties?” McCain replied, “No. But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws.”
http://mediamatters.org/items/200804140003
McCain said what he said, and said it repeatedly. So much the worse for the Annenberg School and Factcheck that they fail to provide this crucial “context.”
Hey Farmie,
How long per pound do you smoke it for? What do you use for seasoning? Been wanting to try my hand at BBQ sauce as well. You should still have my email addy. Care to share?
KFG- Now that I’m drooling all over my desk, what material do you use for smoking, ie, different woods, etc.?
“You should still have my email addy.”
Drop me an e-mail Mr. Dev VB, and I will send you a FEW of my secrets.
I have been smoking for about the last ten years or so. It is addictive - I even smoked a turkey on New Years Day - it was about ten degrees out - once you start you can’t stop.
Anyway, if you care to…… WSClark52@gmail.com
Thanks for the video link CF. If people will look at it, McCain puts it all into context.
Umm… And your defense to the lying DNC’s “100 year” ad is?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/breaking-news-hillary-clinton.php
Hillary Clinton Required to Testify in November to FEC Fraud
In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election.
While Bill Clinton, Chelsea Clinton, Al Gore, Ed Rendell, Barabara Streisand, Cher, Stan Lee, Brad Pitt, Mike Wallace, Larry King et al. may be called to testify and be deposed starting in May, Hillary alone has been protected from explaining her role in her husband’s fraud charges.
In an astonishing ruling by the Judge, Hillary Clinton may NOT be deposed about her role in the illegal solicitation and cover up of the largest contribution made to her Senate campaign until after the presidential election. This is the same contribution Hillary denied knowing about or receiving when Lloyd Grove of the Washington Post asked her specifically about it and her relationship with the donor, Peter Paul, in August 2000. It’s the same contribution for which her finance director David Rosen was criminally tried in May, 2005, for hiding from her and her campaign. It’s the same contribution the FEC fined her campaign for hiding from the voters in three false FEC reports by her treasurer between 2000-2006. (www.paulvclinton.com)
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Hey, Media! Look over there! Obama’s not wearing a flag pin!
McBush has been getting a free ride while the “liberal media” has been slicing and dicing Clinton and Obama. I have a feeling that free ride might be over.
Umm… And your defense to the lying DNC’s “100 year” ad is?
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Well for Capn America it is;
“In this case, two wrongs DO make a right.
To hell with “fair play,” this time we win by any means necessary.”
You Democrats must be so proud.
Capn?
The thread is about Senator McCain.
Not Senator Clinton.
Or Senator Obama.
For now.
Did the Republicans pull the Rev Wright ad?
Huhmmm.
By any means necessary kinda scares ya don’t it?
outlander is admitting that he doesn’t have the brains to understand CF2K’s explanation.
Okay . . . well . . . that explains the staunch Republicanism then.
outlander - how about “turnabout is fair play” or “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander”? Karma is a bitch ain’t it.
Besides - McCain DID say it. Gore NEVER said “I invented the internet”
The diff, of ocurse, KN is that it was true. Sorry it offended you. And “by any means necessary” sure doesn’t scare me coming from a blowhard like CapnA.
Or you.
The modern Democrat party. Reduced to “the end justifies the means”
To be fair, may be true to some extent for Republicans too.
Politics my friends, as I have pointed out before, is a dishonorable game.
Too bad.
Just wait…the best is yet to come…McLame loves to hear himself talk and more totally outrageous soundbites are being prepared as we blog.
This election reminds me of 1996 when Dole was sacrificed.
As far as Mcains flanks it looks like Alan keyes will run as a Constitution party candidate that certainly has the potential to siphon off the RR kooks, the Libertarians look to have a interesting convention with a possible bob Barr, mike gravel, and activist Steve Kubby in the mix.
The modern Democratic Party. Not standing idly by while Republics sling mud at them. Responding in kind.
Some Republics want the Democratic Party to unilaterally disarm. Not likely.
I want to know more about McCain’s illegitimate black children. How many were there and how old are they now?
Wasn’t one of them Chinese?
“Some Republics want the Democratic Party to unilaterally disarm. Not likely.”
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Disarm? Nah Ben. But it would be nice if you could stop the lies.
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KGrrl,
Our onions are up and growing like weeds.
When are you supposed to pull them? Or do you just leave them in the ground until you want them?
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What a city slicker…
When the tops get floppy and start falling to the ground is when you pull them.
“Gore NEVER said ‘I invented the internet’ “
Well, he kind of did.
“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet…”
I used to jump on that too. Until I looked at all he did to get the internet going in this country. He didn’t create it, but without him, it would have been longer coming.
“How long per pound do you smoke it for? What do you use for seasoning? Been wanting to try my hand at BBQ sauce as well. You should still have my email addy. Care to share?”
Well Sol, I’d send you my recipe if I had one! I just dump and taste. Of course, the secret is in the drippings. But you already knew that. I make a thin sauce with lots of vinegar and spices and brown sugar and drippings. Some tomato juice.
As for seasoning, I make a rub. I WILL email you that and not post it on the internet. I make a different rub for chicken, which has more sage and herbs, and another one for pork, which uses sweet spices like cinnamon and cloves, etc.
But they ALL have a bunch ‘o cayenne!
The time per pound depends on the smoker and the heat. I use a smoker that has an offset firebox, and I wont use anything else. I cook a little hotter than most, as I start it out at 350 and then go down to 250. I leave it on the smoker, for a 12 lb brisket, for 6-12 hours, then wrap in foil and either let it rest or put it in the oven at 200 for a while. This lets the juices accumulate for the sause or au jus.
I have left them on the smoker for 18 hrs before, and it was just a little dryer and smokier. I like the “moist” brisket at rudy’s, not the lean, so I like to finish it in the oven. And I score the fat before cooking, but dont trim it off.
I am partial to hickory wood for all purpose smoking. I also like the oak from Texas, and I used pecan wood too, as there were always branch trimmings to pick up in my ‘hood. About every three years, I haul back a half cord each of hickory, oak and pecan. Fruitwood and nutwood are good in general. You have to watch the oak around here, as it can be bitter. Must be a variety thing.
Hell Sol, you oughta be able to get LOTS of cherry wood up there!
I got this brisket for $1.69 lb. In Texas you can still get brisket for a buck a pound. I have no idea what it costs in Michigan. Hell, you might have to import it! It may be expensive, but it sure goes a long way.
Especially with a pot of pinto beans and some ‘tater salad!
Heh Ben! Cajuns and Texans cant cook without green onion tops and garlic, both tops and bulb! I grow some regular chives and some garlic chives that I snip into things, but I use a hell of a lot of green onions in my salsa and general cooking.
Thanx Farmie.
I got this brisket for $1.69 lb. In Texas you can still get brisket for a buck a pound. I have no idea what it costs in Michigan. Hell, you might have to import it! It may be expensive, but it sure goes a long way.
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$1,69 a pound?
You sure that brisket wasn’t barking in its previous life?
I don’t follow recipes either. With baked beans, it is a little hard, because they taste so different after they cook.
OK, you’ve got my gander up. I might try it this weekend. I think I’ll get the beans about half done, then park them under the brisket to get some smoke and some drippings.
Hell yeah Farmie. Sounds good. I’ll let ya know how it turns out.
Unfortunately no garden this year. Just isn’t in the budget. We have lots of deer and bunnies. I just can’t justify the cost of 6-8 foot fencing this year.
Sol - and a very important distinction. He (and others) helped fund the old ARPANet that I used ‘way back when’. So, his statement was truthful.
Of course, I missed my big chance back then. I crashed the entire thing three times one night. Perhaps if I had tried harder I could have killed it so it would have never come back!
Sollie’s baked beans:
Three large cans of Campbell’s pork & beans.
1 lb bacon
1 med to large Vidalia onion
Healthy portion dark brown cane sugar (bout 1-2.5 cups?)
worcestershire 3 table spoons to ½ cup?
BBQ sauce that you are grilling with (good splash)
Ketchup – bout 3-5 table spoons
Mustard – bout 1 – 2 table spoons
Lowery’s seasoned PEPPER – to taste
Garlic powder to taste
Line the bottom of the bake dish with the bacon. Cut the onion to desired units. Mix ingredients. Taste, mix, add, repeat. Bake 250-300 deg until the top darkens. Damn fine beans them.
Ben,
As I said, he had his hand in the net bog time. He was in no way technical, but he helped fund, promote the net. Now what we have today is going away. Welcome in The Net 2.0 and The Grid.
The Grid has been developed and deployed much like the original net, for collegiate and scientific data sharing. Difference is, it is all fiber optic with – dynamic routing . Given a large stream of data, The Grid opens up a huge dedicated pipe, just for you. When you are done with it, you go back to packet swapping. Dare you to crash THAT one !!!
Now what we have today is going away.
Yeah, when the IPv4 address space runs out!
Yep - early 70s I could bring it down. Don’t think I could today. Missed my big chance.
Actually I was told that I exposed a weakness that they then remedied. I never crashed it again after that even though I was doing much the same stuff.
Sol - and a very important distinction. He (and others) helped fund the old ARPANet that I used ‘way back when’. So, his statement was truthful.
Actually, it was more than that, Ben. It was the critical funding we saw Gore put thru in 1986 that made the modern Internet technically feasible.
Sorry for being a smarass, Sol, but you know very well all that AJAX, .NET and whatnot still sits atop plain ol’ TCP/IP and it ain’t going anywhere.
My claim to fame was deleting the accounts receivable data for the world’s largest breakfast food manufacturer.
Talk about stained shorts….
Hmmm. . .I’m thinking either Kellogg or General Mills (of course, that’s because I used to be a cereal killer. . .)
Kellogg
cereal killer
Good one…
Regular–
When I want advice from you, I’ll . . . nevermind, I can’t think of any conceivable exingency in which I’d want advice from you.
Now yer talkin’! Brisket makes damn fine jerky, my own recipe being the best But for something truly awesome, try catfish jerky. Again, secret recipe (but will trade for major bucks:-))!
(but will trade for major bucks:-))!
Shooooooot,
Farmie trades for weed
Farmie - I’ll trade some of my home-grown garlic for some brisket.
outlander,
The ad does not lie. You’re demonstrated nothing. Prove that John McCain did NOT say that he would be willing to keep American troops in Iraq for 100, 1000, or 1,000,000 years. Prove that he didn’t say, and I’m a liar.
However, given that I’ve proven that he DID say it, on multiple occasions, that ship has sailed. I’ve met the burden of proof, and we’re now at the point of arguing what he meant when he said it. And as my post above demonstrates, what he meant is actually more damaging than what he said.
Given the incredible lies and deliberate misunderstanding that Republicans fostered in 2004 against John Kerry, I have NO problem with interpreting John McCain’s own words at face value–sans context. Remember this one?
“Sen. John Kerry on Monday lambasted as “pathetic” scaremongering, Republican criticism of his comments during last Thursday’s debate in which he said the president’s decision to go to war should pass a “global test” of legitimacy.”
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/kerry.global/
Oddly enough, outlander, on that occasion, Republicans weren’t falling over themselves to be sensitive to the need for context in treating Kerry’s own words. Indeed, they ignored the sentences immediately preceding Kerry’s comment, and proceded to misrepresent it as a willingness on Kerry’s part to compromise American sovereignty. It was a lie, but Repukes were cool with it then. They rode it for the rest of the campaign, it seems to me, not just Bush, but surrogates all the way down the food chain.
So you can whine, outlander, but tough shit. This is how the GOP plays the game. Spare me the hypocrisy and pearl-clutching. I do, though, acknowledge your qualified acknolwedgment that Republicans are guilty of same “to some extent, too.”
Oh, and here’s the passages that remark by Kerry over which Repukes swarmed like flies to shit:
“”No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded — and nor would I — the right to preempt in any way necessary, to protect the United States of America,” the Democrat told moderator Jim Lehrer during the debate.
“But if and when you do it, Jim, you’ve got to do it in a way that passes the, the test, that passes the global test where your countrymen, your people, understand fully why you’re doing what you’re doing, and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons.”
What is Kerry saying? That he would never cede the right to act preemptively; and that when one DOES act preemptively, one justifies it to one’s countrymen. And what does the Repuke weasel word “global” mean? Here’s the Oxford English Dictionary:
“1. Globular. rare. 2. Pertaining to or embracing the totality of a group of items, categories, or the like.”
Kerry obviously meant that rationales for preemption had to pass muster with the American electorate. Repukes lied the word ‘global’ into some paranoid Right-Wing black helicopters conspiracy fantasy.
What’s interesting, outlander, is your express resignation about how politics is an enterprise for the fallen, contrasted with your own manifest involvement. For my part, I don’t unfavorably compare the ’so below’ with the ‘as above.’ I believe politics actually CAN make us better–not that it is, particulalry, at the moment.
The internet used to be very elitist, back in the old days. Sometime kind of miss those days, but not my 400 kb modem.
Or was it 28 kb, been too long ago!
CF2K
Posted April 30, 2008 at 12:19 pm | Permalink
Given the incredible lies and deliberate misunderstanding that Republicans fostered in 2004 against John Kerry, I have NO problem with interpreting John McCain’s own words at face value–sans context. Remember this one?
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Are all Liberal Progressive snot-driveling, whiny babies as you Muppet Poster?
Never mind, you just answered that whining about Kerry’s thorough and complete ass kicking in 2004.
Hee hee hee….
“home-grown garlic”
Seems like that would really clog the bong, no?
Walker, when I’m not in the garden, I’m a fishin’!
We’ve been getting lots of good size bullheads and even a channel cat or two.
But we’re full up on deer jerky right now. When we get tired of catfish, I’ll dig up some “big bucks” for a trade.
I bet you could make chicken jerky too!
28k. I remember… jeeze did it start at 8 and 18kb? I know there for a while, 28kb was absolutely SMOKIN. Back in the 10” floppy disc days!!!
Writing Pascal back in those days. Don’t miss that a bit. Was better than FORTRAN though. You know there are COBOL positions still available?
A three percent margin of loss is not more an “ass kicking”, than such a win is “political capitol”.
Dems, the problem with the lying strategy, is that you do it long enough, you start to believe it.
Regular - as noted, Democrats have learned a lesson from the Repukes and are now returning the favor. That is what makes it so comical when outlander acts like a “snot-driveling, whiny babies” when McLame deservedly gets bashed.
Oh, forgot this:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/
Turn about is fair play. McCain said something stupid and he should get called out for it. Like Hillary says “If you can’t stand the heat…”
Farmie,
I fish for big & small mouth bass. Trout when I can. I’ve gotten my line wet exactly once this year. All those days that were nice here, we were jammed. Now that things settled down, the freakin weather went to crap.
They raised the damn price for licenses here too. $40 for an all species. For that, you should be guaranteed a bite or two each outing.
For those that have not tried it, check out CraigsList.org. Like an online garage sale. We’ve bought so much damn stuff from there!!! Better than ebay because you know the cost, if you’re going to get it, and you get to see it before you drop your green backs. Wonderful place. No ads either. Still haven’t figured out how they maintain it with no source of income.
Sol, I wish you could wind yer way down here. Cedar Bluff has WORLD CLASS bass fishing. Crappie and Walleye too.
In fact, in one of the little creeks here, we got a 3lb black bass by accident when we were fishing for bullheads.
And the stilling basin at Cedar Bluff has TROUT. Big’uns.
Or at least it will until Hays and Russell drain the lake. And that’s not too far off. Thank you ethanol.
I’ve been preaching against ethanol for a couple years now. I preached against it for the food shortage we have now and the water problems we will have in the future, thanks to Farmie.
Are you telling me that in the wake of this food crisis, they are STILL moving forward with an ethanol plant?
Pond scum has proven better yield and has a net effect of MORE water as it treats ‘brown’ water. Guess big oil and big ag haven’t discovered how to make a big enough buck. That and the stupid government subsidizing ethanol production.
Agree 100% sol. And the great thing about the ‘pond scum’ (if they can engineer it) is that it can be a direct CO2 trap.
“Regular - as noted, Democrats have learned a lesson from the Repukes and are now returning the favor. That is what makes it so comical when outlander acts like a “snot-driveling, whiny babies” when McLame deservedly gets bashed.”
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Thanks Ben.
I expected better from you.
But I forgot the Democrat creed. The end justifies the means- the end justifies the means- the end justifies the means. In fairness, I suppose when you had been losing for so long you could become willing to compromise principles if you aren’t strong.
Ben,
I read an article about a guy that grows the scum vertically. He has ‘chains’ of special bags. Like sausage casings that are connected on the long edge instead of the ends. And one hell of a lot bigger. Says that he can use space exponentially more efficiently. Rotates the bags every so often and as Emeril says “BAM”.
Should be an excellent source for jets, tractor trailers, farm equipment… Even cars generally are more efficient on diesel. Good stuff that.
outlander,
And when Republicans have evaded or denied responsibility for so long (Watergate, Iran/Contra, the 2000 election, the occupation of Iraq, the destruction of New Orleans and the turning of the Federal government into an arm of the GOP), they get, well, sort of pissy when somebody calls them on their 40-year campaign of lies. Kind of like you are, actually.
If you don’t like being guilty by association for lining up with the GOP’s legacy of lies, outlander, don’t blame the folks who are pointing out your hypocrisy and disingenuousness. “Principles?” Coming from a Republican apologist, outlander, the word almost sounds like profanity.
And it’s notable, isn’t it, outlander, that you’ve provided ZERO response to my challenge to you to prove that McCain didn’t say what he said. Who is lying here, outlander? The same ones who have raised playing the victim to an art form: Republicans.
“I expected better from you.”
Pot, meet kettle. Outlander - when you and your quit your own ‘end justifies means’ mud-slinging please let me know.
As for “you had been losing for so long you could become willing to compromise principles if you aren’t strong” you do make a point. We have lost to EXACTLY those tactics you now whine about. So now we point out the flaws in your guy and you whine ans snivel like a spoiled child.
Sol - the full-scale algae plant that Sunflower claims to know how to build would be great to see. That is why I have called upon them to build one at their existing Holcomb plant.
CF2K
Posted April 30, 2008 at 1:53 pm | Permalink
outlander,
And when Republicans have evaded or denied responsibility for so long (Watergate, Iran/Contra, the 2000 election, the occupation of Iraq, the destruction of New Orleans and the turning of the Federal government into an arm of the GOP), they get, well, sort of pissy when somebody calls them on their 40-year campaign of lies. Kind of like you are, actually.
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You’re just on your own personal whine quest today aren’t ya CF2K?
Go get laid or something, people are tired of hearing you whine about the same things, every day, day in and day out, whine whine whine, bitch bitch bitch, complain complain complain.
Want a tissue?
“Go get laid or something”
When’s the last time you got laid, McCluer?
Previous life? Certainly not in this one………
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS183560+07-Jan-2008+BW20080107
ARLINGTON, Va.–(Business Wire)–In response to John McCain’s comment at a recent town hall event
that he would be fine with keeping American troops in Iraq for 100 -
or even 1 million years - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul
issued the following statement:
see link …
“LA TIMES: http://tinyurl.com/2clmy9 The United States military could stay in Iraq for “maybe a hundred years” and that “would be fine with me,” John McCain told two hundred or so people at a town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire, on Jan 3. And U.S. troops could be in Iraq for “a thousand years” or “a million years,” as far as he was concerned”
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/McCain_100_years_in_Iraq
McCain: 100 years in Iraq “would be fine with me”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk
So - are you claiming he did NOT say it?
Gee, lets have some more war!
“McCain laughs, Sings Bomb Iran”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I&NR=1
Just like his buddy Hagee wants!
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul
issued the following statement:
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“John McCain’s statement in favor of keeping troops in Iraq for
100 years or longer puts him out of sync with the majority of
Americans, who want our troops to come home. Further, his
comments recklessly put America at risk as such a statement will
likely serve as a recruiting tool for Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, who
appeal to radicals and incite violence against Americans by
claiming that the US desires to occupy the Middle East
indefinitely.
“It is time to act in the true national security interest of the
United States and begin withdrawal from Iraq and the rest of the
Middle East immediately. Americans will be far safer under a pro-
America foreign policy that seeks to end the dangerous idea that
the US should be the policeman of the world.
“Further, the financial costs of keeping troops in Iraq for a
century would be massive - in addition to the steep price in
American lives. If John McCain really wants such a long term
presence, he needs to level with the American people and tell
them that his policy means we will not be able to fulfill our
obligations here at home.”
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You just got to love this guy. Straight Talk Express? Meet the truth…
Whoops, forgot the best part
” According to quarterly FEC reports, Dr. Ron Paul is supported by
more active duty and retired military retirees than any other
candidate to be the next commander in chief. An investigation by the
Houston Chronicle revealed that Congressman Paul received “more
donations from current military…and retired military…than any
other candidate.”
Nevada is stealing the election there…what State is next?
The Good Dr. Paul is still in.
Ben: if you would stick to the truth in your posts you wouldn’t hear me complain. But when you lie, you have to expect to be called on it.
I can just see it now. The occupation in Iraq. It brings back such fond memories. Farmers calling the Brigade S4 the night after a hail strom to bring a lawsuit on the US Army for Maneuver damage (who cares if it is 2 weeks before the maneuvers start) Then of course there would be the rent on apartments on the Economy for the brass and high-ranking NCO’s 30% higher than the towns that didn’t have a base. Why should the brass care? They will get an overseas housing allowance courtesy of the taxpayers. Of course, then we will have the $1 million dollar mess hall for 86 soldiers. I am just so looking forward to all of this efficiency in action. I’m just waiting for the next bright, young soldier to try to save the government some money only to be told that the SOFA won’t allow it. This is what will happen AFTER Hallyburton (I misspell on purpose)
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ksfarmgrrl
Posted April 30, 2008 at 12:41 pm | Permalink
Hee hee hee….
“home-grown garlic”
Seems like that would really clog the bong, no?
Walker, when I’m not in the garden, I’m a fishin’!
We’ve been getting lots of good size bullheads and even a channel cat or two.
But we’re full up on deer jerky right now. When we get tired of catfish, I’ll dig up some “big bucks” for a trade.
I bet you could make chicken jerky too!
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Ever known a guy who failed at jerkin’ anything:-0
Seriously, the bigger the cat, the better jerk. If you can find my eddy, send me sumpin, and I’ll email the fixins.
GDP = consumption + gross investment + government spending + (exports - imports)
And if we weren’t spending trillions on the war? How would Gov’t spending look?
Hmmmm… I STILL call BS Franklin.
JW- What flavor is the fish jerky?
100 minutes of that kind of abuse is wrong.
gster
Uhh…. fish flavored?
I guess it depends on where the fish has been!
Quote from Chief Warrant Officer II (His branch being Finance and Budget) Richard Teeney in 1988, Schweinfurt Germany. Before I give the quote, let me just tell you people who don’t know the Army. Warrant Officers are not commissioned, they receive the esteem of officers because of their expertise on subjects. Here is his quote: “If Germany alone could pay us back just for the spending of the Army alone, just in Germany alone, the U.S. would have a national surplus 40% as large as our national debt.”
Sol - I guess you are a liar now too since we have both said the same thing about McBush and his 100 years!
By the way - did you check out McLame on youtube?
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WSClark
Posted April 30, 2008 at 2:08 pm | Permalink
“Go get laid or something”
When’s the last time you got laid?
oh nm, you keep reminding everyone your daughter visits on occasion.
outie - do you deny the 100 years statement?
You are a smart man Ben. You know what the objection is. Taking something out of context and then using it to imply something that wasn’t meant is a lie.
And please don’t come back again with that weak; “well Republicans said that Gore said he created the internet”. The subject is the DNC’s misleading 100 year commercial and those who are defending and spreading the lie.
Do you to deny it is a lie Ben?
Yes, I deny it is a lie. It is McCain’s own words. Let your boy disavow them.
Actually McCain said “100 years, as long as our troops are being harmed.”
McCain was referring to the stance of military in NATO and the Far East when he made that statement.
Ben is just twisting and playing words, Outlander.
You won’t change his hippified Liberal mind. He’ll carry that mantle of distortion and repeat it over and over.
It’s what Ben does, it’s what Ben is.
(chortles)
oops are not being harmed….
(mumble)
chortles right back …
By the way - how is that WMD search coming along?
Sort of like a policeman testifying in court that the defendant had confessed to to him when he said “I was leaving the murder scene with blood on my hands….” and not mentioning the rest of the sentence “…from the wounds I gave the murderer before he fled”.
That’s not a lie either.
Adults playing games.
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bth
Posted April 30, 2008 at 4:39 pm | Permalink
chortles right back …
By the way - how is that WMD search coming along?
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Oh, you haven’t been watch the news?
They found the Oh-Bomb-ah and it was located behind the pulpit in a Chicago church. It had KKK class explosives and a Jeremiah tracking mechanism.
No doubt teams of Clintonistas will be sent in for closer surveys.
I posted the video of McCain so the viewer could draw his own conclusions. If you do not like McCain being shown ‘in the flesh’ then too damn bad.
LOL
I suppose that is the best you have regular …
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bth
Posted April 30, 2008 at 4:45 pm | Permalink
I suppose that is the best you have regular …
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No, but there are women and children watching.
outlander,
Exactly what Ben said. McCain said those words MULTIPLE TIMES. For you to say that they were taken “out of context” in the DNC ad ignores that McCain used them repeatedly and in even more hyperbolic form on a number of other occasions. Those were his words, outlander. If he now wants to disavow them, he should have thought about it before he SAID THEM, REPEATEDLY, in a variety of different venues.
If your candidate isn’t disciplined enough not to say absurd or discrediting things, outlander, since when is it the opposition’s job to delicately avoid pointing that out to him? Are you saying that Democrats have an obligation not to point out the political vulnerabilities of their opponents?
Your special pleading and compartmentalizing, outlander, identifies you as yet another Wingnut Authoritarian Personality. You’re like Nathan without the gun fetish.
Oh, and THIS is good. Saw it on a thread over at Digby’s place:
“Obama = Black Man so is responsible for everything every black man says.
Digby = Female so is responsible for everything every woman says.
John McCain = White man so is not responsible for even his own words.”
ESaund | 04.30.08 - 2:36 pm | # ”
Why DO Wingnuts run from accountability the way cockroaches run from the light? Why IS that?
What are those words CF? All of them now.
BTW, thanks for the the psych eval, CF2K. You said the same thing a little while back. I’m afraid though that I will have to consider the source when weighing the words.
Having done that, I’m ignoring them.
It’s okay Outlander, let the lemmings repeat their mantra about McCain.
Neither HillBilly nor Obama are stupid enough to repeat that in a debate because they’ll get their asses handed to them when the truth is told.
So, let them play their game, it’s all they have.
impotent-little-games…
C2FK - did you check out McCain singing Bomb Iran? That one will make another great ad!
FOX News Poll: Obama’s Favorable Rating Drops
Nearly half of Democrats (48 percent) think Hillary Clinton has a better chance of beating John McCain in November — 10 percentage points higher than the 38 percent who think Barack Obama can win, according to a FOX News poll released Wednesday. This represents a significant shift from March, when Democrats said Obama was the candidate more likely to beat McCain.
The ongoing controversy over Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, appears to have damaged how Americans view Obama. His favorable rating is now 47 percent, down 7 percentage points since February when 54 percent had a positive view of him. As may be expected, his unfavorable rating went up from 33 percent to 42 percent today.
Tuesday’s votes in NC and IN will be quite interesting.
outlander,
McCain said what he said, unprompted, multiple times. Saying that somebody left out X from his statement, whether true or not (I happen to think that what you’re calling ‘context’ makes zero difference), doesn’t entail, outlander, that McCain DID NOT say Y.
Coming from the person who again and again has breezily–and quite aggressively–dismissed facts that were “inconvenient” to his position, I’m not terribly surprised that your response here has been to go into a defensive crouch, yelling “I can’t HEAR you!” over and over with your fingers stuck in your mouth.
I’m not playing your sub-infantile Nathan game, thanks. I produced my evidence, repeatedly: you produce yours. You’re the one making the accusation that Democrats are liars–burden of proof is on you.
Outie, ya got CF’s panties in a bind now, just leave him to squirm.
bth,
Actually, when McCain was singing that, what the video prevents us from making out is that he was singing was “Bomb, I ran,” and he was actually telling his friend, Mr. Bomb, that during the Boston Marathon, he ran. See?
And you thought McCain meant “Bomb Iran!” Silly bth! Who are you gonna believe–CF2K or your own lyin’ eyes?
Obama linked to funding Terrorists
A top official at the Pentagon during former-President George H. W. Bush’s Administration and a former CIA intelligence officer maintain that Barack Obama and former Weather Underground honcho William Ayers funneled money to Professor Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer.
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/illinoisreview/2008/03/obama-connected.html
Dear Nazi,
Guess you need a break after that long day of exploiting children to satisfy your sexual needs.
“McCain said what he said, unprompted, multiple times. Saying that somebody left out X from his statement, whether true or not (I happen to think that what you’re calling ‘context’ makes zero difference), doesn’t entail, outlander, that McCain DID NOT say Y.”
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Baloney CF. You aren’t producing any evidence whatsoever. You are just arguing, and doing so disingenuously. So, I repeat my earlier question that has been ignored.
What are “those words” CF? All of them, now.
Obama and his terrorist connections
Khalidi has been accused of having ties to the Palestinian Liberation Organization, based on his work for Wafa in the late 1980s. Khalidi has been accused of being “a director of the Palestinian press agency,” publishing an “adulatory book” on the PLO in which he personally thanked Yasser Arafat,[16] and acting as an advisor to the Palestinian delegation during peace negotiations.
A reported friendship between Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and Khalidi’s family when Khalidi taught at the University of Chicago. Articles by Aaron Klein and John Bachelor, writers respectively for conservative outlets World Net Daily and Human Events, were referenced by rival political campaigns and reprinted in wider-circulation media.
In Chicago in 1995, Mr. Khalidi and his wife Mona founded the Arab American Action Network (AAAN), a group associated with confrontational statements of support for Palestinians and antagonism toward Israel. In 2001 and again in 2002, the Woods Fund of Chicago, with directors Ayers and Obama, made grants of $40,000 and $35,000 to the AAAN. Importantly, the AAAN vice-president Ali Abunimah of Electronic Intifada has remembered Mr. Obama’s speaking in 1999 against “Israeli occupation” at a charity event for a West Bank refugee camp; and Mr. Abunimah, an American citizen, Hyde Park resident and Princeton graduate, has also recalled Mr. and Mrs. Obama at a fundraiser held for the then-Congressional candidate Obama in 2000 at Rashid and Mona Khalidi’s home, where Mr. Obama made convincing statements in support of the Palestinian cause.
There is also a report that Mr. Obama attended a farewell dinner for Professor Khalidi on the latter’s appointment to Columbia University and move to New York, at which Mr.
Obama socialized with the Khalidis as well as with Edward Saïd, and at which Mr. Obama left a polite testimonial, as did Mayor Daley and Governor Blagojevich.
It is necessary to consider, in light of Mr. Obama’s politically rich relationship with Mr. Khalidi and his colleagues, that Palestinian sources in Ramallah confirm, for Aaron
Klein of WorldNetDaily.com and my radio shows on WABC and KFI, that Rashid Khalidi was a paycheck-receiving PLO agent when it was formally named as a terrorist organization. In Beirut from 1976 to 1982, Mr. Khalidi headed the Palestinian press agency WAFA, for which his wife Mona Khalidi also worked. Mr. Khalidi also served Yasser Arafat’s PLO at the Madrid conference in 1991. Mr. and Mrs. Khalidi have yet to comment on their reported political, financial and programmatic association with Mr. Obama in Chicago; as recently as last week neither of the Khalidis would speak on the telephone when asked about Mr. Obama, Mr. Rezko or Mr. Auchi.(Batchelor)
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