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Yawn.

It brings Kansas in line with federal law, and most of the states. If you can afford them, vintage full auto weapons are great investments; they’re going to go nowhere but up in value. But be prepared to open the checkbook to get one!

You’ll need to go through the federal hoops to get one. Personally, I’d like an MG42, or perhaps a Sturmgewehr – anyone got one out there they wanna sell? A Browning .30? BAR? MP40? Thompson? No?

Damn.

Silencers! Now we can shoot burglers without waking the dog!

I would like to have a Thompson, for old times sake. Really enjoyed firing them when in the Navy. Besides I have about 4000 rounds of ammo for one.

The NRA is merely a marketing arm of the gun manufacturers.

All the constitutional talk is a distraction designed to leverage paranoid panty-wastes who are so craven the’re sure they’ll be mugged, accosted, invaded, raped, robbed, and murdered every time they visit the mail box.

All I’m asking is for you 2nd Amendment extremists to get your stories straight.

If you are the militia protecting me from political oppression from invaders of a tyranical government, I want you to own state-of-the-art firepower. But why do you need silencers to wage war?!

Maybe you can make a legitimate argument as to why you need an Uzi to hunt deer. (And, I suppose, a silencer wouldn’t disturb Bambi as much when his mother dies.)

Do you really need a sawed-off shotgut to sneak up on quail?

If you really need a pistol under your pillow because you’re afraid of the bogeyman, just how is that candy-assed .22 gonna help me when I expect you to defend me from invading Islamists?!

But the only thing the NRA wants is to sell guns to the rubes. Whatever weapon, whatever rationalization, whatever cut-from-whole-cloth political attacks can be contrived… all the NRA wants is to sell more guns.

You know that.

Own it.

Then tell us exactly what the 2nd Amendment is for, in your opinion.

Paul – but I might be able to go you one better – I know how to make chemical, biological and nuclear ‘devices’

oops – the dreaded ‘null’

Monkey obviously never reads the news, or he would see how many times Americans defend themselves from criminals with firearms. Or he would see how many times unarmed law-abiding Americans are unable to defend themselves from criminals.

Instead, Monkey attempts to brand all gun-owners (all 100 Million of us) as paranoid frady cats, when in fact, it is the people like Monkey – who are afraid of others who choose to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, and God-given rights of self-defense.

“null” –

Just where in your holy scripture did you get your “God-given rights to self-defense?”

Verse and chapter would be helpful.

Senator Phil Journey: Perhaps provide a special time for criminals, thugs, terrorists to go to the courthouse to submit two federal background checks and obtain permission from Sheriff Steed to own submachine guns, silencers and sawed off shotguns.

Otherwise they might not go to the trouble.

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Randy,

Do you ever plan on actually acting like a journalist?

As already mentioned, you can easily go to the NRA-ILA website to see thier agenda.

There is nothing crazy with wanting to enjoy owning a machine gun or silencer.

Max-Boxlock-Nathan,

Give me guidance . . . how can the libs both want to take our guns away and give us more legal access to guns?

I’m so confused. Someone help me!

BTW, she also signed a law making it legally impossible for law enforcement to confiscate guns during an emergancy.

Again, I’m so confused! Can’t reconcile the paradox . . .

CapnAmerica,

Part of the reason she probably signed the bill into law was because it passed with enough votes to override a veto anyway.

This is hardly proof that she is not any less anti-gun now than she has already proven herself to be.

This is total and absolute bs. I can’t believe Sebelius signed it. I can’t believe our legislature passed it.

Perhaps once some nut comes in there with these fantastic weaponry they’ll figure it out.

And don’t think those drug cartels can’t afford to get one. They most certainly can.

Oh…Political_mama, those “drug cartels” are sure, don’t ya know, gone’a pay attention to some stupid law that says they can’t have something like an illegal firearm. Geeeeez!!
This law doesn’t change a thing for really anybody but the dealers who would sell to law enforcement or the very occasional guy with a lot of money and absolutely NO criminal record.
What is with your irrational fear of firearms?

Thanks for the good advice, Boxlock.

The forums seem to be pretty mixed. Some love it, but a lot of people report one barrel doesn’t shoot true or misfires even with the double trigger.

Will look into some others like the CZ.

“Fully automatics are expensive, limiting the market …”

TO?

People who have a lot of money and power and want to be armed to protect themselves against our socioeconomic woes.

Little good may it do them.

If the crap ever really hits the fan, they will be the first people targeted.

There is absolutely NO good reason for anyone to own a machine gun or a silencer.

Political Mama,

The passing of this law doesn’t make it any easier for a drug cartel to get machine guns.

Almost every other state has the same type of law regarding the purchase of these things and we have yet to see crazy nuts doing what you seem to be so afraid of.

Oooh, I like the CZ.

Have you — or anyone else — ever bought guns through a local dealer instead of a retail store?

And can you save money that way?

American
Posted April 22, 2008 at 5:30 pm |
“How about rubber band guns? Are they OK?”

Sure! They’re great for bedroom shooting games.

Interesting, Max.

I thought I wanted a Browning Cynergy when I watched their video. But when I handled one at the store, I couldn’t get it to shoulder well for my build, short arms – wide chest.

I ended up getting a Remington 11-87 on sale that handles better for me. Can hit with it most of the time, unlike the previous shotgun I was using.

Also, love the Benellis but can’t really justify that much coin for no more shooting than I do.

Gotta run now.

I don’t know if Gander Mountain is like that for “all” their guns, but my friends and I just go there to look.

It seems like everything is overpriced or right at retail.

It never hurts to look. We usually start there and then drive East to Sportsmans Warehouse.

IMHO — I think if gun owners/lovers want this much free reign in owning their weapons, including this idiocy of owning machine guns and sawed off shotguns, then the State should require License, Registration, & Insurance on each weapon… just like with vehicles… Own a weapon?? Get a License, and Registration, and Insurance. That should solve some problems…

Chas,

Since you want to start talking about weapons here, you never did answer my question from before:

How do you subdue someone with a knife without threatening their life?

Capn posts; “The forums seem to be pretty mixed. Some love it, but a lot of people report one barrel doesn’t shoot true or misfires even with the double trigger.”

CZ shotguns are made by Huglu Arms in Turkey and Huglu, pronounced WHO-Lew, make a lot of different quality firearms. CZ, Czech Republic, contracts with Huglu to manufacture the shotguns, and at first there were some problems. Mostly with the single trigger models occasionally firing both barrels simultaneously…not twice as good of course, ha. And they broke firing pins occasionally if dry fired, which you shouldn’t do, but neither should they break anyway.
CZ, which makes excellent pistols and rifles, went over and helped them learn to ‘harden’ their steels for the firing pins and corrected the mechanism problems I read. There have not been problems since. Look at the dates of the forum posts of those that had problems…they’re back a ways.
Okay…I’ll stop now, whew, out of breath. :lol:

Then Nathan, your opinions are just as open to criticism as mine… I dont need supporting facts to post an opinion… Thats why it is an opinion, and not an article… Surely you know that!! AT least you should…

See, it is my opinion that if you put all these people on the streets with their damned guns, you are just inviting trouble — trouble than could easily be diverted…

That is an OPINION… last I looked, a Blog is for opinions… My only supporting “evidence” as you put it, is that I dont much trust a man with a loaded gun that I cant SEE… If you really wanted to cut down on the possibility of violence, and attacks, then you would be pushing for laws that allowed for OPEN CARRY — instead of Concealed!!

Chas,
The purchase and sale of National Firearms Act weapons is heavily taxed and regulated, as follows.
To own a fully auto, class 3 machine gun, or silencer, one must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain permission from the ATF, obtain a signature from the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and finger prints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax. The request to transfer ownership of an NFA item is made on an ATF Form 4.[2]
It’s expensive and there are a lot of regs to meet and follow. Bad guys don’t do it, the legal part, they just break laws like all bad guys do. And good guys don’t do bad things with them.
Just relax, it’s no big deal.

Chas,

The fact that you can’t support what you say is what makes you wrong.

Thanks Boxlock for the clarification on registration/taxes for Machine guns, etc.

I truly believe that people like Nathan secretly LONG for the opportunity to shoot someone.

Every day they are not accosted must be a disappointment.

I don’t believe that having open carry vs concealed carry is better. The element of surprise is no longer yours.

Your trusting someone has nothing to do with lowering violence or attacks. It seems you are more interested in feeling good not results.

Please tell me how you can subdue someone with a knife without threatening their life?

I have never said anything about subduing anybody with a knife!! Where on earth do you come up with this stuff??

“I truly believe that people like Nathan secretly LONG for the opportunity to shoot someone.”

I don’t think so, at all.
I think “people like Nathan”, if he will allow me to project my personal feeling to him, (sorry Nathan), simple realize bad things happen as a result of bad acts done by most likely bad people. Just read the paper and listen to the news. To say “it won’t happen to me or mine” is not realistic because it can. And he wants to protect himself as much as possible from that.
It really takes a somewhat courageous commitment to seriously commit to defend oneself and family. That may sound strange, but it really does. It’s much easier, out of fear to acquiesce and to try to lower the level of conflict in a violent situation than to potentially raise it by defending oneself. But it rarely works out for the good because the one causing the violence is not motivated to lower it. It’s similar to standing up to a bully when small, it take guts, you can get hurt, but in more violent situations you’ve got much more to lose than with a young bully, you’re going to get hurt anyway.
Like anything difficult, one must at least somewhat prepare for it and think about it. That doesn’t make it an obsession, that makes it possible to function if necessary.
I am not critical of those that don’t agree and would prefer to rely on submission, or a cell phone, a knife, pepper spray, whatever, it’s their decision but I can assure you those methods rarely work and those relying on them when something happens are going to be hurt or killed.
Not wanting what I’ve described, and thinking about defense and preparing to prevent harm, doesn’t mean I, or Nathan, want something to happen or by extension want to kill anybody.
Although we all might sometimes figuratively feel like it a little on this blog. :(

“Silencers! Now we can shoot burglers without waking the dog!”

I cite the cavalier attitude.

I don’t find it in any way courageous. In fact it is rather creepy.

“WS, ya like this post better?”

Scroll over territory.

WS,
Crawl back under your rock, you invertebrate.

“It was discovered later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun.”

The moral of this story?

For close-range home defense, you can’t beat a 12 gauge . . .

Well done, Patricia. You go, Girl!

I am kinda surprised that the second criminal bled to death that fast.

Must have blown quite a hole in his shoulder.

If he just got peppered from 20 yards, he probably would have survived, not that I’d want him to survive . . .

Wonder what size shot it was.

Capn posts; “The forums seem to be pretty mixed. Some love it, but a lot of people report one barrel doesn’t shoot true or misfires even with the double trigger.”

Actually, Boxlock, I was referring to the Stoeger side-by-side I had researched (well . . . read through a few reviews and web-forums like shotgunworld.com).

But thanks for the info on CZ. It looks like a good upgrade for not that much more.

Besides, if I buy it through a dealer or a low-cost retailer, it may not be that much more, hehe.

Good luck with whatever you decide Capn.

My favorite all round shotgun is an 870. Seems like I’ve always owned one. It comes up to my shoulder automatically and I can almost will it to hit what I’m shooting at.

I have one with two barrels currently. 12GA full and improved cylinder.

If you’ve never shot one Capn. borrow mine for a week or two before you buy!

Chas,

Chas today:

“I have never said anything about subduing anybody with a knife!! Where on earth do you come up with this stuff??”

Chas a couple of days ago:

“IF it was unsheathed, it would have more effect, up close, than the bat… at least it would subdue the thief long enough to call law enforcement…”

http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/04/open-thread-420/#comment-334427

I got the idea based on your comments about your bayonet. So “technically” you didn’t say knife, you were talking about your bayonet. Same difference.

Nathan, the trust YOU described (WHICH YOU DIDNT POST THERE) was different than what I said… You are trying to invent a subject not visited… NOTE>>>>

Your trusting someone has nothing to do with lowering violence or attacks. It seems you are more interested in feeling good not results.

Please dont try to do that, Nathan…. It isnt an honest way to enter discussion…

I got the idea based on your comments about your bayonet. So “technically” you didn’t say knife, you were talking about your bayonet. Same difference.
[Nathan]

You ever hear of mounting a “knife” on the end of a stick??? Sorry, Nathan, A knife and a Bayonet are two very different weapons!! You arent going to get by on that lunacy!!

Gov. Sebelius is simply assisting Wichita assemble the resources to address that ferel cat problem the City Council was so worried about a couple of months ago. It might be the solution to that nagging wallaby problem, too.

A bayonet (from French baïonnette) is a knife-, dagger-, or spike-shaped weapon designed to fit on or over the muzzle of a rifle barrel or similar weapon, effectively turning the gun into a spear. It is a close-combat or last-resort weapon.

From Wikipedia.

Opinions, you have a right to an opinion. Doesn’t make your opinion right. There can be two opposing opinions in an argument. One or the other can be right. Both can be wrong. Both can’t be right.

As I said Hank, ya need to put the bayonet on the end of a stick, to make it effective… And the one I got is a whole lot bigger than a knife — like one might use in aa “knife fight” — provides some distance from a perpetrator… a bit of safety…

Asd for opinions, I dont know what you and Nathan are hung up on insisting one opinion has to be right and one wrong!! THEY ARE ONLY OPINIONS!!! GET OVER IT, EVEN!!

Hank, there is no such thing as discussion possible with you or Nathan… Wikipedia can define a bayonet as a knife if they like… they also describe it as a weapon on the end of a rifle (or a stick, perhaps?) You want to try mounting your average hunting knife on the end of a rifle, or a stick??

NATHAN — IF you, as a marine, cant figure out how to subdue a home invader with a bayonet (or a baseball bat) long enough “to call law enforcement” (that was my quote before) then I think YOU are the one with the problem here… I can think of several possible ways to subue without the intent to KILL….

But, see, from every indication I have ever seen you post here about defending yourself from an intruder, I have NEVER seen you say you would disable the intruder to be turned over to law enforcement… I have ALWAYS seen you post here that you would intend to KILL the intruder outright… as that is the way you understand your use of your weapon… Your choice, I guess…

Oh yea, last comment — I never SAID my bayonet was ready for action…. You even quoted from my statement…. I clearly stated that my bayonet is in a Sheath… and that IF I could get it unsheathed, it would be valuable at subduing an intruder until law enforcement could be called…

All the rest about my use of a bayonet has been your invention!! I also stated I much prefer the Bat!!

And you talk about MY reading comprehension??? Yea, sure, right!!

“There is absolutely NO good reason for anyone to own a machine gun or a silencer.”

How ’bout because I want to? It would be fun to shoot? Isn’t that good enough?

Tell me how my doing so harms you in any way, JR . . .

The article already listed the reason most will do so; investment. The shame is that investment firearms will not be shot, they’ll be stashed away for later sale. A shame.

Chas,

From earlier, you have yet to explain the conflict in your statements:

Chas after:

“Ummm Nathan, I havent said AANYthing about trust — that must be your invention…”

Chas before:

“My only supporting “evidence” as you put it, is that I dont much trust a man with a loaded gun that I cant SEE…”

Chas, it would appear to me that you did indeed say something about trust. Forget your own words that quickly?

NATHAN — IF you, as a marine, cant figure out how to subdue a home invader with a bayonet (or a baseball bat) long enough “to call law enforcement” (that was my quote before) then I think YOU are the one with the problem here… I can think of several possible ways to subue without the intent to KILL….

Good god, Chas, are you that dense.

Well, yes. Either as Chas, or as Square Peg. Equally as dense.

Nathan, you might as well argue with the wall. Except the wall will be consistent, at least. That’s more than Chas.

JR – what say you! Is because I’d enjoy it good enough? And how does my doing so infringe remotely on you?

Chas,

Read my question again. It says nothing about the intent to kill.

Intent to kill and the threat of killing are too different things.

Either way, you said you know of several ways to subdue someone with a bayonet without the intent to kill.

Lets hear them.

And what did I respond?? You already know the answer to that, since you are a well trained Marine… My response will only allow you to add more belittling and demeaning commentary to what you have already attempted!!

I’ll give you one — If you ram the friggin bayonet in the invafer’s upper thigh from the back side, he isnt gonna go ANYwhere… Major hamstring difficulty!!

Ever play football much??

Or, you just flip up in the air over the top of the intruder and stab em in the back of the leg.

When you do that, you have to do it with style.

You do it in (Matrix) style, slow-motion so that people standing by can witness the full effect.

:)

I could grab the baby 9, but that’s a pu**y gun.

Oh, gee, what fun! Another gun thread!

Nathaniel, I’m sorry to tell you, but your “opinion” is no more objective than anyone else’s here. Doesn’t make it right or wrong, because an opinion is neither. Disagree or agree, but that’s all you have. Gun deaths and gun “saves” can be posted until hell freezes over, but they probably won’t change opinion.

So here’s what I’m wondering. So many of the guns carried and used by gang members are stolen. Doesn’t having more guns legal mean there are more to be stolen? Gun safes can definitely cut the percentage of that, and for collectors, I’m sure those are a must. Only time will tell if this was a wise decision by our state government.

Ironic that guns are readily available, yet people are screaming for no smoking laws.

I would like to pass this on to MonkeyHawk who posted earlier about the bible. In section 8 it has bible references.

Chas,

The one thing that sticks out in my mind from this link is that the police are truly under no obligation to protect an “individual,” just the general public. Kind of really makes me feel unsafe.

http://www.gunowners.org/skeptic.htm

Chas, read all of the articles above, then comment again why we can’t have what we have given rights too. In fact re-read the constitution of the united states and open your eyes.

For other reasons that really want me to own weapons, look here.

http://www.myspace.com/anamericanwarning

If we are going to be a thouroughfare for “free trade,” then I think I will need to protect me and my own more.

By the way Troll ronjon, You cannot find anywhere in any post where I have said I would want to see the 2nd Amendment repealed.

So, climb down off of your right win rickety horse… You need to find something else to bitch about!!! LOL

You’re all such big tough guys with your guns whooo I’m skeered. Such a big man you must be to have to have your guns.

Dang, missed another good gun thread, complete with pant crapping hysterics from people who don’t know what they are talking about.

just crap

Seems to me it’s the gun diehards that are irrationale and emotional when it comes to gun control issues. Irrational with fear, irrational with insecurity, irrational with their distorted sense of masculinity. None of you are logical in your arguments. You really buy into the culture of fear that the media loves to perpetrate. It’s sad you live with such paranoia toward you fellow citizens. I feel sorry for you.

These are the facts regarding gun deaths in the USA…there is nothing irrational or emotional about it…it’s just the numbers.

From the CDC:

The United States has by far the highest rate of gun deaths — murders, suicides and accidents — among the world’s 36 richest nations, a government study found.
The U.S. rate for gun deaths was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000.
The study, done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is the first comprehensive international look at gun-related deaths.
The CDC would not speculate why the death rates varied, but other researchers said easy access to guns and society’s acceptance of violence are part of the problem in the United States.
“If you have a country saturated with guns — available to people when they are intoxicated, angry or depressed — it’s not unusual guns will be used more often,” said Rebecca Peters, a Johns Hopkins University fellow specializing in gun violence.
The 36 countries chosen were listed as the richest in the World Bank’s World Development Report, with the highest GNP per capita income.
Of the 88,649 gun deaths reported by all the countries, the United States accounted for 45 percent, said Etienne Krug, a CDC researcher and co-author of the article.
Japan, where very few people own guns, averages 124 gun-related attacks a year, and less than 1 percent end in death. Police often raid the homes of those suspected of having weapons.
The study found that gun-related deaths were five to six times higher in the Americas than in Europe or Australia and New Zealand and 95 times higher than in Asia.
Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in the world’s 36 richest countries in 1994: United States 14.24; Brazil 12.95; Mexico 12.69; Estonia 12.26; Argentina 8.93; Northern Ireland 6.63; Finland 6.46; Switzerland 5.31; France 5.15; Canada 4.31; Norway 3.82; Austria 3.70; Portugal 3.20; Israel 2.91; Belgium 2.90; Australia 2.65; Slovenia 2.60; Italy 2.44; New Zealand 2.38; Denmark 2.09; Sweden 1.92; Kuwait 1.84; Greece 1.29; Germany 1.24; Hungary 1.11; Republic of Ireland 0.97; Spain 0.78; Netherlands 0.70; Scotland 0.54; England and Wales 0.41; Taiwan 0.37; Singapore 0.21; Mauritius 0.19; Hong Kong 0.14; South Korea 0.12; Japan 0.05.

Nathan, they would have us all be defenseless, with nothing but Big Brother to save us, IF they had their way.

To ignore the crime stats AND make people defenseless at the same time, is ITSELF a crime.

So you read the stats as…those countries with fewer guns and fewer gun deaths…means nothing?

By all means put more out there- so you can shoot the perp and he can shoot you, then you’ll have two more stats.

Whatever Nathan, whatever you can use to justify what you believe. It’s that way with everything you post.

I have twice as many guns now as I did 10 years ago.

Still haven’t shot anybody.

Those guns laying everywhere could turn people into criminals!

When people walk thru a gun store or a gun show, just how do they resist?

Funny, don’t hear about too many shootings at gun stores or gun shows.

“You can show absolutely no correlation between more guns = more gun death beyond the most simple comparison of another country to ours excluding every other factor which could be involved except for numbers of guns.”

Possible formula >>>> (just an example)

# of Guns in USA circa 1930 =
# of Gun deaths in USA circa 1930 =

# of Guns in USA circa 2007 =
# of Gun deaths in USA circa 2007 =

IF the number of guns since 1930 has increased until 2007, AND if the number of gun deaths has also increased since 1930,
That would be a measurable correlation.

I have no way of knowing if such information can be located, but it MIGHT prove interesting…

Max,

I don’t know about 1900.

I did a study for Mary a few months ago where I took the number of gun deaths for the last 40 years and compared them to the number of guns owned.

The the last 40 years, Americans have been buying and owning more and more guns.

Yet the number of gun deaths has been stagnant for the past 15-20 years and before that it didn’t correlate with the number of guns at all.

Of course Mary never had much to say to that.

She still goes on and on about how more guns equal more gun death.

Most of the gun death in our country is cause by suicide.

If you want to look at other countries, Japan has a huge suicide rate and they have no guns.

Yet people like Mary want us to believe that easy access to guns causes those people to kill themselves.

When you take out suicide, that is about 10,000 gun deaths a year. Less than a 1,000 are accidents.

Guns are not the problem.

Maybe Chas is not afraid like you Nathan.

Maybe he is a real Christian and addresses the root causes of crime and violence.

Instead of like you just being ever ready to deliver summary justice on someone who has less than you.

Note to anyone who actually cares about defending themselves and being succesful:

Do not listen to Chas.

You see, I do not consider this our usual disagreement.

I take self defense very seriously.

The things Chas says about self defense will get you seriously hurt or killed.

You do not want to attempt to subdue someone with a knife unless it is a last resort.

Even then, trying to “subdue” someone is almost absurd with a knife if that person is trying to harm you.

Proper knife fighting techniques quite honestly involve immobilizing someone with severe bodily harm.

Any type of severe bodily harm is considered to be deadly force.

Whenever you use a knife there is always the possibility that you could hit a major artery or organ and cause serious damage. It is not a precision way of defending yourself when you are scrapping with someone bent on harming you.

Chas tries to play it off as if he has some magical way of subdueing someone with a knife like it is no problem at all.

Thinking like that will get you killed and only proves what an idiot Chas is.

I will pray for your sanity, Nathan… Thats all I know to do… Why do you keep ignoring the fact that I said I much prefer a baseball bat to the bayonet?? Is it because you know that a perpetrator can be subdued easily with a baseball bat?? Anybody who has ever played the game knows that to be true…

And, furthermore, I NEVER said anything about confronting a home invader face to face!!

You and Max made that part up, so you could tear down your strawman!! LOL

If you dont understand that, I dont know what else to tell you!!

And if you would use your brain, instead of your gun barrell… You would clearly see that it is indeed possible to ram a bayonet into the back of a perps upper leg, and render him/her nearly helpless, UNTIL law enforcement can be called!! From that point on, its all up to Law and Order!!

Now, if in your stupidity, and your irrational anger and fear, you cant see how that is possible — Then I will not only pray for you, I will feel great pity for you as well!!

Now, this discussion is OVER… You keep thinking about how great you are if you kill somebody… I will keep thinking about all of the ways I can stop the perpetrator, and turn him/her over to the police, and let them do their jobs!!

So Nathan would kill someone rather than follow the way and words of Jesus Christ his Saviour?

It’s easy to be non-Christian but difficult to be Christian.

Nathan, talk to your minister at least. Tell him what you have been saying on these blogs. Ask him if this is ‘normal’.

I find it interesting Nathan would use Jesus as a reference for owning automatic weapons and silencers. Why would one even bring religion into the mix? Man invented firearms, not God.

It must be the religious right need some kind of acknowledgment from a higher being to justify owning weapons whose only design is to kill people.

I don’t mind gun owners, and have been one, but owning automatic weapons and silencers has every thing to do with testosterone and nothing to do protecting ones self. Unless, of course, Nathan needs that auto for that super prairie chicken out west that’s been giving him fits:-)

“I take self defense very seriously.”

Oh I don’t blame you.

Being defensive I mean. You and your family have yours. And you aren’t deaf to the rising noise around you among those who don’t.

Ya can’t kill us all.

JR

You are such a pathetic little snot. Nathans folks worked hard and took risks to gain what they have.

If they had sat on their ass and whined the way you do they’d be in the same spot.

Man up and make your own instead of waiting for the government to take from others to give to you.

JR

You have it backwards
Middle management kisses MY ass because I took the initiative to learn a valuable skill that they need.

I worked hard for what I have and I work hard to support my family.

I could be in the same place you are.

If I had sat on my ass and waited on others to do for me.

You are a product of your own decisions JR. Stop blaming others.

Nathaniel
Posted April 24, 2008 at 12:09 am | Permalink
Max,

I have trained in knife fighting just a little bit.

The more I train in it, the more I realize that I would NEVER want to be in a knife fight let alone PREFER to use one for self defense.

It is very ugly.

Why on Earth would you ever want to use a knife for self defense over a pistol?

Only an idiot like Chas would want to and that is exaclty why I don’t hold back on letting him and everyone else know that.
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That’s why I asked if they even bother to train Marines in bayonet fighting anymore.

Must be prepared for everything, but no one in their right mind would CHOSE a knife vs a gun in a fight for your life, or when protecting your family.

Chas’s claim to be able to defend himself and/or his family with a bayonet and a baseball bat is nothing but delusional, false bravado.

Calling 911 simply gets the police and ambulances there to pick up the bodies and file the police reports. When seconds count, the police will be there in minutes.

JR

Because I have a gun and know how to use it(and have a 90 lb lab and a 110 lb German Sherpard) I feel no need to hide under the bed.

JR

…and if you keep waiting on others to “make” you you’ll be waiting a long time.

Max

Hecklers formula for success:

1. Work hard.
2. Work smart.
3. Repeat as required.

From JR, to Nathan:

“Oh I don’t blame you.

Being defensive I mean. You and your family have yours. And you aren’t deaf to the rising noise around you among those who don’t.

Ya can’t kill us all.”
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JR – Now you’ve taken up threats of violent theft. I’ve said it before, and it’s even more true: PLEASE GET HELP. NOW.

You’re becoming increasingly unhinged. What started as a giggle when I read your little bits of ranting has become serious concern. You have a child, I understand. For his sake, if not your own, seek help. Please.

GMC

I’ve been hanging around this crappy little blog as long as it’s been here. JR has always had a tendency to make references to violence when he gets a little tweaked off.

He does seem to have become more of a militant socialist over time and his references to violence seem to be more directed to violence between the “classes” than anything else.

He needs to quit reading whatever Marxist garbage he’s been reading and get a job.

Wonder how many Che t-shirts he has?

KansasNative,

Jesus purpose on Earth was to die on the cross. It was his destiny to do so for our sins that all may be forgiven.

It is not my purpose or destiny from God to simply die because some criminal wants to hurt me or my family.

Several others and myself have talked to my Pastor and we have formed a group of people who the Pastor knows about who will be carrying concealed to church events for security.

Max,

It is not just the stupidity of wanting to use a knife over a pistol for self defense.

It is saying you can subdue someone with a knife with such certainty like Chas does.

I highly doubt that Chas knows the first things about knife fighting let alone how to stab someone in the thigh.

He obviously doesn’t grasp the concept of what deadly force is.

Does he think the criminal is just going to stand there and let Chas stab him in the leg?

Then Chas has the audacity to say that he is a pacifist?

LOL

How anyone can sit here and read what Chas posts and not think he is an idiot is beyond me.

VPC. ‘Nuff said. No credibility.

Actually, MH, I prefer to read this VPC site:

http://vpcblog.wordpress.com/

Enjoy. What makes the parody so devastating, of course, is that it is hardly distinguishable from the kind of crap the “real” VPC, or the Brady Bunch, regularly puts out as “facts.”

Yeah, that’s right. The CDC is conspiring against you. You! Right now! In a closed meeting! They’ve even ordered in lunch!

“GMC70″ squirms –

“Criminals don’t obey gun laws – that’s why they’re called ‘criminals’.”

You and the poster previously known as “Nathan” are left with the ol’ “kill the messenger” defense. Although you’re prefectly willing to cite, say, statistician John Lott who tortured the numbers long enough to come up with his cockamaney “more guns, less crime” thesis. (Under Lott’s paradigm, the shortage of gun crimes in Trego County in Kansas counterbalances the gun crimes in Wyandotte County).

Oh! And Lott published that study at Chicago University while occupying the “Olin Chair,” which if funded by the Winchester Arms ammunition tycoon.

Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi… all those states with more guns than teeth… lead the nation in gun deaths.

You and the poster previously known as “Nathan” are left with the ol’ “kill the messenger” defense.

Wow – It’s apparant MH didn’t pass reading comprehension. Would you like to comment on the ‘real’ CDC’s ‘real’ study?

No?

Didn’t think so.

“Liars, damn liars, & staticians”

??
Shouldn’t it be ” Liars, damn lawyers, & staticians”?

Makes a lot more sense.

“Hell. I CITED the CDS’s study with my original link!”

Au contraire mon frier! You’d better try your link again, it returns ONLY to the VPC’s ’scholarship.’ And it includes no link, or even cite to, any CDC study, only a vague reference that the numbers came from the CDC.

This is too easy.

Now GMC.

I DO mean what I say.

We ARE moving toward a place and time when the have nots are gonna have had enough. It takes no more than a simple review of history to predict the result.

And as to concern for me? Now you’ve moderated a bit. But I can dig up posts where you were clearly pounding the desk and foaming at the mouth. Vowing to leave this “left wing circle jerk” (your words.) never to return ONLY to return and blow up again.

Heckler suffers from a brown nose. You have trouble with an oversized head and a fetish for guns that makes one wax Freudian about its basis.

I’ve posted this dare before, JR. Do your best “bone dig.” Knock yourself out. I double dog dare ya!

As to humorless – let’s look back over this very thread and see who lacks humor. Let’s see . . . that would be you, sir.

Let’s see who is the pompous self-important blowhard. Shall we read up on past postings? That, again, would be you, sir. Yes, we’ve met. And you are just as self-aggrandizing and pompous in person. You are, after all, the Great JR: Savior of the Blog.

Just ask him, he’ll tell you.

I’ve already noted your sexual issues are your own; only you raise that. Apparantly there are deeper issues there – care to share?

My concern for you is genuine, but I have greater concern for your son. It’s a shame to see anyone suffer, but you’ve reveled in hate for so long, I frankly think it’s effecting you. I have little doubt it is observed by your son, and it’s not healthy. I’m certain those around you see it. Get help.

Were you drinking that night, JR? Because you’re clearly delusional.

Yes, I do remember. You clearly do not.

Well you were concerned about my son there GMC.

HE remembers you.

As the fat balding guy who I made everyone laugh at.

Let me help.

You were in the row behind me. I asked if you would be following me around here as you do on the blog.

Room laughter.

I opined that “Great, I’ve got two lawyers sitting behind me.”
Again room laughter.

MY memory? Steven was sitting next to me. Outlander was at the door. YOU were seated behind me with Vaughn.

That about right?

It appears that common sense is busting out all over, even in Mayor Daley’s machine paradise.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0424chapmanapr24,0,5976650.column

A sample:

“When a rash of gun murders takes place, it makes sense for the police to do one of two things: renew tactics that have been effective in the past at curbing homicides, or embrace ideas that have not been tried before. But those options don’t appeal to Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis. What he proposes instead is a crackdown on assault weapons.

I’m tempted to say this is the moral equivalent of a placebo—a sugar pill that is irrelevant to the malady at hand. But that would be unfair. Placebos, after all, sometimes have a positive effect. Assault weapons bans, not so much.”
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Read the rest for yourself. And read the comments. The tide is turning, and people are beginning to wake up. When the SCOTUS finishes with the DC ban in June, as I expect they will, Chicago’s ban will likely be next in the crosshairs of the Constitution.

And the good citizens of Chicago will be better off for it.

And yes, JR, the answer is delusional. Get help.

Hmmmm. Yes, issues.

JR mentions it six times. People at the meet up laughed at GMC. JR made them laugh at GMC. It must have been the highlight of the evening for JR.

What’s that say? Any doctors in the audience?

Nathan…Your numbers are wrong, or maybe you twist the numbers to suit your opinion.
Human beings are violent, not just Americans. Have you ever watched the crowd at an English football game? Just throw in a bunch of guns and you can bet the gun deaths would sky rocket in the UK.

“You can show absolutely no correlation between more guns = more gun death beyond the most simple comparison of another country to ours excluding every other factor which could be involved except for numbers of guns.”

It’s not me making the correlation, Nathan, it’s the experts at the CDC and John Hopkins who have studied the issue.
I do have to laugh that when you boast that you only consider facts when making an argument to support your opinions…don’t you believe that the earth is only 8-10 thousand years old? I know that’s off the subject, but is is indicative of your twisted ideas that are not based at all on facts.

Mary,

What numbers have I posted here that are wrong?

Please cite this CDC study of yours?

Yes, I know all about John Hopkins. They have an anti-gun agenda and are out to prove it.

When are you going to come over and watch Bowling for Columbine with me so I can point out all the editing tricks that Moore used and you bought hook line and sinker?