I Googled for something completely different, but found your page…and have to say thanks. nice read….

Any place I’ve ever worked I’ve been ‘on the same side’, working for the same goals, as my employer. Maybe that’s why I’ve done alright.
Repeal of the ‘right to work’ laws would put organizations in a more confrontational employee - employer situation with a damn union orchestrating it. I don’t need no damn union speaking for me.
I suppose there are some unions that are beneficial, I just haven’t seen any lately.

2)Try to change conditions where you work,

Sounds like the same thing?

Repeal the “right to work” laws and let it work.

No other place to work for her?

I’ve found people have 3 basic choices if they don’t like their jobs.

1)Live with it and btich constantly.

2)Try to change conditions where you work, possibly moving your way up.

3)Leave for something else. There’s a whole wide world of opportunities out there. Sometimes you need to move to get something better.

Why no “Max”. Unless you mean by “chained” that she would be giving up a job she had worked at for several years, her insurance, etc.

Incidentally? The same company denied her 9 years of pension funding.

Now you can blame old, patriarchal attitudes like yours for that.

Or you could blame me. My mom was fired from the same company in 1965 because she was pregnant with me. The nine years she had in before that are not counted in her pension.

She was an office worker. Non union. They only got a…trickle down of the union won benefits from the loving caring company.

Mom was FORCED to stay in that job? Did they chain her to it?

Now I see where JR gets his insubordinate attitude. You’ll go far with that chip on your shoulder JR.

My mother had had no college at all.

She was in her early 50’s. Really not practical for her to start college at that age.

And besides they MADE her do the job anyway. They just didn’t pay her what they paid someone with a degree. Economically it likely would have been a wash to get a piece of paper that said she was smart enough to do what she was doing.

That is why I stressed to Pmom about furthering her education now while still young is easier that waiting until you’re old.

I don’t need all of the zingers about being a rich white woman. Just saying when life hand you lemons make lemonade. Nobody owes us anything but we can make our life what we want it to be.

I have no ability to negotiate my pay. I have done so in the past at other jobs. Sometimes it doesn’t make a hill of beans at how good you are.

We truly need to get back to working your way to the top instead of having these barely out of college degreed kids running everything based on education alone. Some of these people spent their whole college years guzzling beer bongs on mommy and daddy’s cushy college fund instead of working and learning hands on. Experience counts for a lot. And I’m sick of not being able to get a decent job simply because I don’t have a piece of 50,000 paper that certifies my brainpower.

JR’s mother is a good example. Hire those who can do the job, who are willing to work hard and REWARD THEM. Don’t do it based on what you can sap them out of, do the right thing as an employer.

Because if you don’t, you’ll have a whole lot of people like me, like JR, who are fed up and are going to demand it a different way.

Welcome to reaping what you sow, Sol. Remember those who used to get rich off the backs of slaves and child labor?

Throw those bums out!

They sure are. And LOTSA companies feeling the sting of going that route. There will always be development work in America. The job I am in now requires an American citizen.

And I will have only myself to blame as my business becomes more and more successful.

My mom was a contract analyst. She did the work for years. She was one of the best at it.

Then one day, the company decides a contract analyst has to have a college degree. SO mom gets busted back to Secretary.

And told she will continue to do contract analyst work!

Mom told them she wouldn’t do it. They told her she would do it if she wanted to keep her job.

And so, on pain of termination, she was forced for more than 10 years to do a job she was not paid for. Until she could retire. On which occasion she told them to stick the retirement party AND the clock up their ass.

If he is your first line supervisor, why not? Otherwise you are just throwing out silly rhetoric, again.

“The only power I have as a negotiator is if I stand with my fellow employees and there’s a structured pay scale.”

Sounds like a false assumption. Do you not have annual reviews and discuss your pay?

“and she’d take the job for $30,000. But when her predecessor was hired with the same skill-set, he was paid $36,000. “

Why didn’t she ask for 36K then? Her fault…

“even if she’s willing to take less.”

Now that is just dumb.

“If a company can’t prosper unless it cheats its workers, that company has no reason to exist.”

If a worker is willing to be cheated, the worker will be cheated.

Do liberals normally have this much problem analyzing problems or is it in their natures to look as stupid as possible?