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“We just want all the foreigners to leave and stop causing disasters for our country.”

What a country! al-Maliki’s government has unveiled that they fired 1,300 soldiers and policemen, many of whom were in collusion with the militias.

http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20080413/48018540_3ca6_15526200804131005098462

Yup, time to go.

Why should they do anything? We are doing everything for them! Bush/cheney’s pet country. We feed them, water them, groom them, give them health care, build their schools (as bushco reminds us daily) rebuild their infrastructure, etc.

Sometimes I wish someone would invade us and rebuild OUR infrastructure, schools, etc.

Could some country please send over folks with large bundles of cash to throw around like footballs?

Now THAT’s economic development for western Kansas. The kind our legislative leaders REALLy like!

I wonder who’s quarterbacking for Sunflower and Big Coal? Bring on the cash footballs!

One word. Halliburton. ‘Nuff said.

One question I’ve never had answered by those who support Iraq is this.

Is Iraq the way it is because of Saddam, or was Saddam the monster he was because of the Iraqi people?

Don’t get me wrong, even if herding cats is easier than leading Iraqis, that never excuses or justifies a dictator’s taking shortcuts to law enforcement. Shortcuts like gassing, mass murder, disappearing citizens, Abu Graib, etc.: Saddam’s lack of leadership talent never justified using such means to any of his ends.

Still, I grow more certain by the day that Iraq NEEDS a strongman leader, that’s the only way the various and sundry tribes respond at a national level (with “nation” defined as the geography proscribed by Iraq’s national borders). Among Iraqi tribes, order flows from the bottom up, not from the top down. Top-down authority has historically been ignored unless it was purchased. That’s because the ultimate loyalty isn’t to the nation, it’s to the tribe. Of course, Saddam introduced a new means of “compromise,” in addition to bribery: terror. Fear for one’s life is an ancient source of political power, even if those of us whose governments were formed in the shadow of the Magna Carta deny its moral validity.

In other words, it’s not nearly as easy to ignore the proposition that Saddam was a monster because that’s what it takes to lead Iraqis.

Unfortunately, this still flummoxes too many of us. In fact, I doubt Augustus Stupidus has a clue about it — if one goes by his public statements on Iraq he’s certainly oblivious.

It’s foolish to think that Iraq is going to enlist soldiers to fight their Muslim brothers. The largest militia is Shiite, the government military is predominately Shiite, and the Saudis finance a Sunni militia. Then there is the American military and American mercenary thugs like Blackwater. According to the NRA this place is a world of peace since everyone has an assault rifle.

The government army fights the Madr army on the behest of the Americans who join in. The Sunnis and Blackwater will fight anyone even if just for the entertainment value. Madr is the only militia that’s been relatively peaceful thanks to the Iranians but America won’t stand for any peaceful relations with Iran so we have to promote more fighting.

Nope, there is no progress and there won’t be until American troops withdraw, then there will be less factions involved in the fighting.

BOXLOCK, I sited it before that that entire region see American style democracy as un-intelligence.
I have also pointed out that they ancestors were creating math, the Alphabet and astronomy while our ancestors were painting themselves blue and throwing rock and sticks at each other. But they do have problems and perhaps their idea of governing is no better then ours.

So what do the liberals have to offer?

Both Hilary and Obama are going to pull out the troops over a period of time and that will do what exactly to make this situation better?

You liberals have nothing to offer except for surrender. How can you criticize the efforts there when you offer no solutions?

It is kind of hypocrtical to pretend like you care about success when the only thing you care about is getting out regardless of the cost to the Iraqis.

In one sentence you care about the people there, how many are being hurt, and in the next sentence you are saying leave them to their own devices regardless of what happens to them.

Either you care about the Iraqi people or you don’t. It seems the only thing the Iraqi people mean to you liberals is a political tool to beat the Republicans over the head with.

Some are sure we need to wait until bushco are gone and the fiasco can be blamed on someone else. that way their hero can always be held up and revered as the person who would have / could have defeated terrorism if only…

Some how they are able to ignore the fact that for over five years their hero has not had a single solution.

However, I DO care about the Iraqi people and it seems that US policy has made matters WORSE for them, not better.

“We just want all the foreigners to leave and stop causing disasters for our country”

Note: To an Iraqi an American is a foreigner.

Let’s see, sound like a Lib…

Blah blah, failed-bushco, surrender, disasters, whine, moan, complain, glass half empty, bitch, more of same, spew, spit, venom, blah blah, no solutions, white flag,

That about does it, except blaming the entire history of bad things that have happened to mankind on Bush.

Must be awful to go around life hating and not having one good thing to say ever unless it’s bashing on someone or something.

sad…

Let’s see, sound like a Neocon …

Yada yada, stay the course, 9/11, mushroom cloud, dead-enders, victory is around the corner, last throes, 100 years war, lies, damned lies, and more lies.

That about does it, axcept for blaming anything that goes wrong on Bill Clinton.

Must be great to go around so totally oblivious to what is going on and to take zero responsibility for the consequences of ones actions.

conan the neocon tells us why we have not won in Iraq republic of

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V30tyaXv6EI

How to sound like a CON, by Regular:

stay the course, just keep doing what continues to fail, spend more money (2 billion a week) and charge it to generations yet unborn, criticise anyone who disagrees with continuing the idiocy, call them unpatriotic and “defeatocrats,” ignore the majority who want out now.

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Boxlock has no answer to the logical dilemma he created for himself: the Iraqis are “barbaric” and “incapable of governing themselves,” why did his fearless leader insist on overthrowing the existing gov’t and imposing a “democracy”?

Yup, you can’t have it both ways. Looks like Boxlock has boxed himself in . . .

Rage

Don’t ask me I don’t give a sh*t, next stop is near Tikrit.

I thought that was you, Doc! ;-)

Here we go – when they sit down, we will, eh, send in more troops.

“Iraq: 1,300 men mutinied or wouldn’t fight – Entire infantry battalion was among the deserters during Basra offensive”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24094518/

“including an entire infantry battalion — had mutinied, on some cases handing over vehicles and weapons to the militias.”

Yep, just show a little patience and this will be a great victory.

Just a little while longer.

Boxlick,

“They have had, are having, and will have “disasters” for their country because that’s the culture of the people. Their governments are uncivilized and the people seem uninterested in ever doing anything about it.”

Yeah, boy: “White Man’s Burden,” eh Boxlick? Given how undeserving those Arabs are of the oil under the ground of their countries, it’s only right that we take it. Or so one could infer from your post.

I would call you a racist, Boxlick, but that’s a bit obvious. It is clear, however, that you could use a history lesson regarding who is and is not “civilized.” So here’s a little backstory about how the United States and Great Britain, in the 1950’s, helped to overthrow a democratically-elected government in Iran and install the Shah, who was more, shall we say, amenable to international petroleum interests. It’s called “Operation Ajax,” by the way.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/hrj/iss17/booknotes-All.shtml

I’m sure you’re a fine grandpa, Boxlick. But as a commentator ’round these parts, your racist attitudes and information deficit leave a bit to be desired.

Hi rage – I’m ‘doc’. ‘Ben’ had already been registered by someone.

Here’s how democracy in Iraq is working out for them:

Iraqis expressed anger on Saturday at news the United States had renewed the contract of Blackwater, a private security firm blamed for killing up to 17 people in a shooting incident last year.

(snip)

The FBI is investigating whether Blackwater employees broke the law during the shooting last September when Blackwater staff, apparently believing they were under attack, fired into cars in heavy traffic, killing civilians.

In spite of the criminal probe, the State Department announced on Friday the firm’s contract to protect U.S. personnel in Baghdad would be renewed.

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Yes, their duly-elected and 100 percent democratic government isn’t free to kick out companies that murder its citizens in cold blood.

Wow, some democracy. That democracy sounds a hellovalot like a military dictatorship–and George W. Bush is now the dictator like Saddam Hussein.