Another company of Iraqi soldiers abandoned their positions, this time during a battle in Sadr City Tuesday night, the New York Times reported. Two weeks ago, more than 1,000 Iraqi soldiers fled during the fight in Basra.
“It bugs the hell out of me,†said U.S. Sgt. George Lewis. “We don’t see any progress being made at all.â€
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This is what you can expect when you hold the Iraqi government’s hand and do everything for them.
Cowardice and incompetence.
There are elements here reminding me of nam. I witnessed Vietnamese pilots dropping their bombs over open water, rather than face the flak up north.
Running…that’s exactly what the Dems want to do, why is there criticism of the Iraqs.
““We don’t see any progress being made at all.”
This will very much please bush and cheney.
I make you a bet.
The stocks of Halliburton, Blackwater, CACI etc. will uptick today after this statement.
Why don’t you go run and sign up for your tour of DUTY then Boxlock?
If you’ve already served you can serve again. What’s your excuse?
uh huh…
Boxlick,
Yeah, it was Democrats who caused those Iraqi trainees abandon their posts.
Seriously, dude, your cartoonish view of reality just sets you up for ridicule.
JM Walker,
Interesting. Guess it stands to reason that the troops belonging to the client state don’t have much incentive to fight if they know that the troops belonging to the patron state will fight instead of them.
Just another aspect of Bush’s brilliant war planning. Guess if either he or Cheney actually HAD been in Vietnam, they might have expected this.
CF2K, if that ridicule is coming from you I wear it like an honorable badge.
And again your juvenile, no childish, even anal, intentional misspelling of my nic shows your opinions have an utter lack of worth. I get great delight in seeing you lower yourself to that level as I know I’ve WON any argument with you.
“We don’t see any progress being made at all.”
Nuff said. Pack it up boys. Bring it on home. We can train them to fight, but we can’t instill the willingness to enter into harm’s way to serve their country. We can’t train the unwilling.
Kind of like CF stated above, I have been asking this question for a while now, with no answer yet.
Why would an Iraqi risk his life patrolling his streets when an American will do it for free?
How about we start billing the government. Say a rate of $15 per hour per soldier. Now that is a fire sale for the Iraqis. Add in the logistics support and any other costs. Wonder how long it will take before the government is screaming for a draw down.
Boxlick,
And when you use racist and prejudicial terms, as you so often do (though you haven’t yet stunk up this thread with them), that make you look like the bigoted old man that you are, I win.
CF, Examples???? I think not!
deja vu all over again.
It comes as absolutely no surprise to me that many of the ARI would rather join their countrymen rather than support the occupation. I wonder how many of them joined the ARI with the idea of turning against us in the first place. As I recall there was a fair amount of discussion about that some time ago.
I agree JMW – I had many friends over there and they described much the same thing.
I wonder if those Iraqis who are dropping their guns are doing it because of religious reasons. Maybe they belong to the same sect, or perhaps they worry about reprisals against their families in showing support for an American backed governmental policy. There is no historical military experience in that part of the world of fighting to the last man. Slaughtering the last man yes, for they go whichever way the wind blows or to-wards whomsoever seems to be winning. The western concept of chivalry, duty and honor is lost on them, but I don’t think they’re cowards, just realistic and pragmatic as hell. Their regular army also deserted during Gulf War 1…. and with Saddam still in control!
See this is why all instances of occupation eventually fail.
As long as our troops are there in force, as long as it is us telling them what to do?
It’s not their fight. It’s ours.
Boxlick,
Who else, but a racist RushBot like yourself, would have said this with regard to Barack Obama:
“What an opportunistic lier this magic negro is.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/obama-speaks-out-on-wright/
Though I guess I’d rather you said ‘magic negro’ than the word you were REALLY thinking.
Nice job misspelling ‘lier!’
And then there’s this poignant analogy that compares undocumented aliens to birds that shit all over one’s backyard:
“After a while, I couldn’t even sit in my own back garden anymore. So I took down the bird feeder and in three days the birds were gone. I cleaned up their mess and took down the many nests they had built all over the patio.
Soon, the back yard was like it used to be …. quiet, serene and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.
Now let’s see…. our government gives out free food, subsidised housing, free medical care, and free education and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.
Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands.
Suddenly our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child’s 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn’t speak English.
Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to ‘press one’ to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than the Union Jack are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.”
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/02/does-it-matter-what-michelle-obama-says/
That’s a start. More where that came from, including one particularly noxious reference that slandered Muslims as terrorists. Still got to dig that one up.
Running…that’s exactly what the Dems want to do,
Really, I believe they didn’t want to be there in the first place.
Courage is the same thing as stupidity in many cases, as in dying for nothing.
The tide is turning…
Pentagon institute calls Iraq war ‘major debacle’ whose outcome is ‘in doubt’
John Byrne
Published: Friday April 18, 2008
Former senior Rumsfeld aide delivers scathing indictment
A 48-page report written by a former aide to Donald Rumsfeld and issued by the Pentagon’s premier military educational institute has called the Iraq war a “major debacle” whose outcome is “in doubt.”
“Measured in blood and treasure, the war in Iraq has achieved the status of a major war and a major debacle,” the report’s opening line reads. “As of fall 2007, this conflict has cost the United States over 3,800 dead and over 2,800 wounded. Allied casualties accounted for another 300 dead.”
Published by the National Defense Institute’s National Institute for Strategic Studies, a Defense Department research center, the report does not reflect the official views of the Pentagon or the Defense Department. But it delivers a scathing indictment from the key educational arm of the US Armed Forces.
DoD Institute: Iraq ‘a Major Debacle’ April 18, 2008
WASHINGTON – The war in Iraq has become “a major debacle” and the outcome “is in doubt” despite improvements in security from the buildup in U.S. forces, according to a highly critical study published April 17 by the Pentagon’s premier military educational institute.
The report released by the National Defense University raises fresh doubts about President Bush’s projections of a U.S. victory in Iraq just a week after Bush announced that he was suspending U.S. troop reductions.
The report carries considerable weight because it was written by Joseph Collins, a former senior Pentagon official, and was based in part on interviews with other former senior defense and intelligence officials who played roles in prewar preparations.
It was published by the university’s National Institute for Strategic Studies, a Defense Department research center.
“Measured in blood and treasure, the war in Iraq has achieved the status of a major war and a major debacle,” says the report’s opening line.
At the time the report was written last fall, more than 4,000 U.S. and foreign troops, more than 7,500 Iraqi security forces and as many as 82,000 Iraqi civilians had been killed and tens of thousands of others wounded, while the cost of the war since March 2003 was estimated at $450 billion.
“No one as yet has calculated the costs of long-term veterans’ benefits or the total impact on service personnel and materiel,” wrote Collins, who was involved in planning post-invasion humanitarian operations.
The report said that the United States has suffered serious political costs, with its standing in the world seriously diminished. Moreover, operations in Iraq have diverted “manpower, materiel and the attention of decision-makers” from “all other efforts in the war on terror” and severely strained the U.S. armed forces.
“Compounding all of these problems, our efforts there (in Iraq) were designed to enhance U.S. national security, but they have become, at least temporarily, an incubator for terrorism and have emboldened Iran to expand its influence throughout the Middle East,” the report continued.
The addition of 30,000 U.S. troops to Iraq last year to halt the country’s descent into all-out civil war has improved security, but not enough to ensure that the country emerges as a stable democracy at peace with its neighbors, the report said.
“Despite impressive progress in security, the outcome of the war is in doubt,” said the report. “Strong majorities of both Iraqis and Americans favor some sort of U.S. withdrawal. Intelligence analysts, however, remind us that the only thing worse than an Iraq with an American army may be an Iraq after a rapid withdrawal of that army.”
“For many analysts (including this one), Iraq remains a `must win,’ but for many others, despite obvious progress under General David Petraeus and the surge, it now looks like a `can’t win.’”
The report lays much of the blame for what went wrong in Iraq after the initial U.S. victory at the feet of then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. It says that in November 2001, before the war in Afghanistan was over, President Bush asked Rumsfeld “to begin planning in secret for potential military operations against Iraq.”
Rumsfeld, who was closely allied with Vice President Dick Cheney, bypassed the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the report says, and became “the direct supervisor of the combatant commanders.”
“… the aggressive, hands-on Rumsfeld,” it continues, “cajoled and pushed his way toward a small force and a lightning fast operation.” Later, he shut down the military’s computerized deployment system, “questioning, delaying or deleting units on the numerous deployment orders that came across his desk.”
In part because “long, costly, manpower-intensive post-combat operations were anathema to Rumsfeld,” the report says, the U.S. was unprepared to fight what Collins calls “War B,” the battle against insurgents and sectarian violence that began in mid-2003, shortly after “War A,” the fight against Saddam Hussein’s forces, ended.
Compounding the problem was a series of faulty assumptions made by Bush’s top aides, among them an expectation fed by Iraqi exiles that Iraqis would be grateful to America for liberating them from Saddam’s dictatorship. The administration also expected that “Iraq without Saddam could manage and fund its own reconstruction.”
The report also singles out the Bush administration’s national security apparatus and implicitly President Bush and both of his national security advisers, Condoleezza Rice and Stephen Hadley, saying that “senior national security officials exhibited in many instances an imperious attitude, exerting power and pressure where diplomacy and bargaining might have had a better effect.”
Collins ends his report by quoting Winston Churchill, who said: “Let us learn our lessons. Never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. … Always remember, however sure you are that you can easily win, that there would not be a war if the other man did not think that he also had a chance.”
Oh, I bet THIS is going to work:
“April 18, 2008
U.S. Begins Erecting Wall in Sadr City
By MICHAEL R. GORDON
BAGHDAD — Trying to stem the infiltration of militia fighters, American forces have begun to build a massive concrete wall that will partition Sadr City, the densely populated Shiite neighborhood in the Iraqi capital.
The construction, which began Tuesday night, is intended to turn the southern quarter of Sadr City near the international Green Zone into a protected enclave, secured by Iraqi and American forces, where the Iraqi government can undertake reconstruction efforts.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/world/middleeast/18sadrcity.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
The stupidity never ends. It just never ends.
CF2K – reminds me of ‘Operation Phoenix’ and ‘Strategic Hamlets’
begun to build a massive concrete wall
Wonder how much this falure to be will cost American tax payers?
Put in in context of our own history. How do you suppose those that fought on the side of the occupier, the Torries, were viewed by the majority of Americans?
I once worked with a former ARVN Major, that had relocated here. Having seen combat myself, I asked him how many enemies did he kill. He replied “None, why would I want to kill my own countrymen?”
Not a prowestern viewpoint,
http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/
Thursday, April 10, 2008
9th of April – The Fall of America
Everyone says that the 9th of April was the fall of Baghdad…And this Arab Woman says the 9th of April was the Fall of America.
At the gates of Babylon the Great, you are still struggling, fighting away, chasing this or the other, detaining, bombing from above, filling up morgues, hospitals, graveyards and embassies and borders with queues for exit visas.
Not ONE IRAQI wishes your presence. Not ONE IRAQI accepts your occupation.
And don’t give me that shit about your democratic process and elections. You brought the whores from Iran to rule on your behalf and pimp for their Persian motherland.
You are small players in a game that still eludes you…the Iraqi Game is far greater and bigger than all of your strategies. You have lost in Iraq, you have been totally defeated – Politically, psychologically and economically…
Your tanks, your weapons, your artillery, your jets are nothing for us, for we are RESILIENCE and we are RESISTANCE.
I think this belongs here instead of the open thread…
Report: 300,000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression
300,000 US troops who served in Iraq and Afghanistan are suffering from major depression or post-traumatic stress disorder. This, according to a new study by the RAND Corporation. Researchers say nearly 20 percent of the troops who served in the war zones are suffering PTSD and depression, but only half of them have sought treatment. RAND researcher Terri Tanielian said, “Unless they receive appropriate and effective care for these mental health conditions, there will be long-term consequences for them and for the nation.” The study also estimates that 320,000 service members had experienced a possible traumatic brain injury while deployed. Researchers say female soldiers and reservists had the highest rates of post-traumatic stress disorder and major depression. Meanwhile, in Texas, the Dallas VA Medical Center has been forced to close its psychiatric ward to new patients after the suicides of four veterans this year.
Link
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To all the pro-war people, justify this. Justify the torment of these troops. This doesn’t even cover their families. Look at the devastation this idiotic war has wreaked on our soldiers.
You pro-war types say that you support the troops. You support the troops and want to keep putting them through this. That is an oxymoron. You support their torment. Nice job.
Think about the cost of treating these troops long term. How many of them will receive treatment and still not recover? Pro war folks don’t support the troops; they support the troop’s demise. Now, you want to know what an ‘Un-American’ is? It is one who supports the continued devastation of our troops for oil that will never materialize. How American of you.
Y’know, annie, that’s not true. Saw on Mosaic news the other day the 6% of Iraqis think the surge is working and 83% think America needs to get out NOW. So I guess 17% want their presence.
8^b~~~~ *ducks*
But, hey, what do they know? You’d think they actually lived there or sump’n.
fish,
I think you actually have a good point.I try to get as many view points as I can to find the trend. As you know the trend is your friend.
Haliburton stock up about 4% today. War is profitable for some.
bth,
Indeed: as old Karl says, history repeats first as tragedy, then as farce. And it’s hard to envision anything so farcical as the Decider.
annie_moose,
“You are small players in a game that still eludes you.” OUCH. The Gates of Babylon, indeed.
CF..whatever, I meant what I said, Obama is a lier concerning his relationship with that….ah true patriot (not) the Rev. Wright. And the reference to “Barack the Magic Negro” was a take off on the title of Rush Limbaugh’s song by that name that points out some of Obama’s lying. I should have guessed you are to slow and uneducated to have picked up on the fact when I used the term ‘negro’ referring to Obama it was not capitalized as it should and would be if actually using the term to denigrate the race in general.
And the analogy of supporting illegal invaders thereby encouraging more of he same is right on true and needs to be stopped.
Those things are racist simply fact to be faced.
“Those things are racist simply fact to be faced.”
should read ‘aren’t’ as opposed to ‘are’
annie and Sol — those are some powerfully sad words. How can anyone who is human support this war?
Thousands of soldiers fled in panic as the enemy routed them in battle. Their exodus were blocked by equally panicked civilians who had come to watch the battle. It was an embarrassment for the country, their President and the Commanders in the field.
That of course, was one of the first battle of United States Civil War – Bull Run in which the Northern Troops were routed by the Confederates. Green troops tend to run and especially if their Commanders do not respond well in battle scenarios.
That’s the history lesson for today boys and girls.
(chortles)
(CF2K wonders to himself whether it would be TOO obvious to point out the Freudian Slip in Boxlock’s first post, by which Boxlock calls himself a racist. He then remembers Boxlock’s previous, uncharitable reading of CF2K’s observation that the GOP has no African-Americans holding national office, and decides to do unto Boxlock as Boxlock did unto him.)
Boxlock,
You affirmed your own racism, and then you tried to take it back. Guess I win.
Oh, and the word is spelled “liar.”
I would like to propose the idea that some, not all, of those wanting a strategic withdrawal of troops as the Iraqi army is able to step up are not “pro-war” and don’t like it that we are continuing to have casualties and spend massive bucks. But they also believe that the job must be finished.
I would also like to propose the idea that some, not all, of those who want to get out of Iraq yesterday are not “anti-war” nor ignorant of the carnage that would ensue should we leave precipitously. But in their judgment the loss of US lives and money is simply not worth it.
There.
Also, I think that there should be timetables for withdrawal, with a little flexibility. And those timetables should be top secret, known only to top US and Iraqi leaders. Who knows, they may now exist.
“as the Iraqi army is able to step up”
And when they don’t?
Simple typing errors while trying to work at the same time, something I doubt you know anything about..work that is. Errors, as you have committed, that I have not been petty enough to use such minor things as a point to say I won an argument.
“Thousands of soldiers fled in panic as the enemy routed them in battle. Their exodus were blocked by equally panicked civilians who had come to watch the battle. It was an embarrassment for the country, their President and the Commanders in the field.
And, which side was backed by and fighting with a foreign occupier?
How do you expect the Iraqi government to employ soldiers to kill people from their own sect? People tend to join up with the Iraqi military for the money and to get the training to fight against the Americans. Republicans think that by constantly repeating failure will somehow result in something other than failure.
And by the way 2FCK…or whatever, yours was not a simple typing or spelling error it was an error in facts, saying there were no African-Americans holding National offices as opposed to elected National office. A big difference.
MAGGOT you beat me to it, the administration is seeing these Iraqis soldiers and policemen as only being Iraqis. That does not seem to be how the soldiers and cops see themselves. It seem to be a reoccurring problem in this, we keep trying to turn the Iraqis into Americans. Like I was told once by someone in Oklahoma, “ Them there are Yankees, them don’t think like we do!”.
“But they also believe that the job must be finished.”
What is the criteria for the job to be finished in Iraq?
Right, we did one heck of a job understanding the Iraqi mind, and all its subtle sects, prior to this invasion. Great job, boys. Pat yourself on the back and keep telling yourself, “Job well done!” Heck, we should only be there another 200 years or so at this rate.
Grateful_Dave
Posted April 18, 2008 at 11:44 am | \l “comment-333281″
“But they also believe that the job must be finished.”
What is the criteria for the job to be finished in Iraq?
That is the problem that sadly even Mc Cain has no answer for except to keep on keeping on.
I pointed to the real driving force of why we do not simply admit this mistake and back out.
The job is to keep the United States from being labeled the aggressor in this. Its to un ring the bell we rang, yes that means there is no end to this. It calls for certain facts to be ignored by the world and or overlooked.
We will keep this folly up until no one remembers that the reasons given were not valid and that all the people that died because of it are forgotten in time.
Boxlock,
You absolutely have been petty enough to use whatever point you could seize on to win an argument, as the discussion of the lack of Republican African-American ELECTED officials shows.
For your criticism to have been correct, you would have had to assume that I had never heard of Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Rod Paige, Clarenece Thomas, or Alphonso Jackson–a ridiculous assumption. But because you could not go on the attack without it, you made it.
For you to accuse me of making a FACTUAL error rather than an ARGUMENTATIVE error, you would have to assume that a) I had never heard of Powell, Rice, Page, Thomas, and Jackson, or b) that I neither knew they were African-American nor Republican. Those are patently false, cheap assumptions–but they were good enough for you to use in order to try to defend the Repubican Party against the factual charge that it cannot and will not elect even ONE African-American to a national office in the House or Senate.
Was it necessary for me to stipulate that these officials be “elected?” No. Because EVERYBODY KNOWS that the GOP has appointed select African-Americans to certain positions (where they are either denied any real power–Rice–or set up as the fall guy for the administration–Powell), that would have been a ludicrous thing for me to argue, now wouldn’t it, Boxlock?
And yet you accuse me of arguing for it. So you are willing to accuse me of making an obviously ignorant, ludicrous argument, in order to prove yourself right. CF2K may be many, many things, but “ignorant” demonstrably isn’t one of them.
Judging by your defensiveness, Boxlock, sounds like calling you “petty” hit the mark.
“saying there were no African-Americans holding National offices as opposed to elected National office. A big difference.”
Yeah, a big difference that shows the extent to which African-Americans loathe the GOP.
Boxlock, you’re beat and beaten badly.
You’re like the Black Knight in that Monty Python movie: both arms and legs cut off, his torso sits on the ground–”come back and finish me off, you wimp!”
Ahhh,
If I want to feel totally rotten and dismal, all I have to do is come here to the WE Blog and read what Liberal Progressives write.
Some of the most negative based, comments of spew that anyone can read if they really want to feel bad about themselves and wave around their flag of victimhood like some sort of anti-victory banner.
sad.
It does disgust me that this company would withdrawl from battle.
I think the point which needs to be made is that it was one individual leader who took them out of the battle and not simply the Iraqi soldiers who quit.
That officer needs to be fired and disciplined.
However, there were still many other units of the Iraqi military which stayed and fought.
I do hope this situation is dealth with appropriately.
Capn,
Crawl back in your hole, it’s not dark enough out for scavengers yet.
How’re sales after seven years of your man Bush running the country, Boxlock?
Kinda slow, huh.
Sure hope you don’t work on commission . . .
Capn,
Haven’t seen any reduction really, though it varies month to month of course.
For your info., my income is derived 100% from commissions and I pay 100% of my expenses. I pull my own weight in society and then some.
How about you….Capn???
Boxlock,
And if you didn’t mean to call YOURSELF a racist, why did you do so? Your argument against me works perfectly well against you. To a ‘T’, in fact. You have NO ANSWER.
I meant to say EXACTLY what I said, and what I said was ABSOLUTELY clear to any honest hearer–that is, to anyone who grants that I do, in fact, know the racial and ideological characteristics of the Bush Administration’s appointees. To a dishonest hearer, such as yourself, it was not clear, whether through honesty or malice I cannot say. I suspect malice.
Regarding the claim that my invective toward you was racist…how, precisely? Perhaps in Republican world, where calling out a white racist–like you, Boxlock–is the only thing that counts as a “racist” act.
Given your expressed attitudes of racial prejudice and racial hostility, Boxlock, you are utterly discredited as a source of definitions as to what does and doesn’t constitute racism.
The Republican Party has NO elected officials serving in a national office. NOT ONE. No African-American Republican has served in national ELECTIVE office since J.C. Watts left the House in 2003. Think maybe it has something to do with the Republican Party become the home of white southern racists?
And it is UTTERLY racist of you to assert, Boxlock, that African-Americans are so stupid that they can’t see past the Democrats’ “false promises” to vote Republican. Honestly.
“There have been several Blacks who have been elected to public office over the years, by the way.” Many more than “several,” the vast, vast majority of them Democrats. Here’s a list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_the_United_States_Congress
Your racism ranges from patronizing dismissal to outright villification. It is the perfect complement to your argumentative dishonesty and willful inconsistency.
You don’t know what you don’t know, Boxlock. That must be a painful thing to admit for someone of your advanced years.
2FCK,
Oh how easy it is to get you blindingly hysterical over pointing out when you make stupid mistakes and won’t, can’t, even admit it. One would think you would learn to relax and maintain control a little better as many mistakes as you do make. You go completely ballistic also when someone points out your either racism and/or hate for conservative Republicans that causes you to make a laughable fool of yourself.
I never called myself a racist, interchanging ‘are’ and ‘aren’t’ was a simple speed mistake when trying to type between, and even during, frequent phone calls that I am doing as I work and type. And I immediately saw it and corrected, but that’s all you have to hang onto to argue, sad.
You are simply an amusement for me 2FCK here at my desk. But even amusements lose their novelty and ability to hold interest eventually, as conversing with you has long ago, so as much as you’ll miss me I have better things to do than continue with this line. Besides, it’s time to go.
So don’t forget your lesson for today…there have been lots of African-Americans elected to national office, there have been lots of Black Republicans elected to other political offices, there have been lots of Black Americans appointed to the highest offices by Republicans. To blame Republicans for a lack of Republican national elected office holders is simple minded, as Blacks themselves ridicule and denigrate their own that would even try The Republican party has tried to encourage Blacks to run for office but with limited success. That’s not the fault of the party. Remember, the Dems vote too, and national offices are voted on by both parties, so it’s not just the Republicans. It unfortunately boils down to largely a matter of too many listening to the lies of the Dems and unfortunately not looking at history and the facts. Keep trying, you may eventually learn. Maybe we can have class tomorrow too.
Some pretty famous Black Republicans in the areas of Civil Rights, Women Rights and Abolition. :)
Eldridge Cleaver
Frederick Douglass
James L. Farmer, Jr.
Roy Innis – founder of C.O.R.E.
James Meredith
Jesse Lee Peterson
Sojourner Truth
Ladies and Gentlemen this is tuff stuff, but as you all know we are Americans. We are the ones paying for this because we as Americans stand together and history shows this and i will say one more time we Americans stand together In the end. Now back to the anal group in washington can someone answer this for me here now when you read this. Are the people in Americas leadership being Americans? I just don’t have a answer without going to a very low place with this to many words to type. Semper fi.
You’re strange, don johnson — very strange.. a new troll, I do believe
Is there anybody capable of stating, in one or two clear sentences, what “winning” means inn Iraq?
And if you can, then could you share it with George Bush? Cause he she the hell doesnt know what it means!
No doubt, Square Peg.
Nobody, not even Bush, knows what we’re funding over there. Nobody, and I mean nobody, knows what our goal is in Iraq. What angers many Democrats so strongly, in fact, is that Republics accuse them of cowardice, treason, wanting to cut and run, etc., yet Republics have absolutely no clue what winning in Iraq means. It’s easy to see that their idea of winning is this: we win when a Republic president tells us we win, and not before.
So we squander billions in Iraq, we perversely question the patriotism of Americans who ask what we’re borrowing to spend on in Iraq (as if this is some kind of low treason), yet nobody — NOT ONE AMERICAN — can tell us what “winning” there means.
And about a third of voting Americans think Augustus Stupidus is a frickin visionary, a modern American prophet in fact, for putting us in this position.
it is beyond all definition of bizarre.
When every Iraqi sucks George’s dick and blows oil out of his/her ass, we will have won.
Just thought you girlyboys would like to know.
“When every Iraqi sucks George’s dick and blows oil out of his/her ass, we will have won.”
Is it too late to ask you to go away and not come back, Door King?
This involved a few dozen soldiers. The New York Times played it page one because it fits their narrative about Iraq.
“This involved a few dozen soldiers.”
And the morale problem this can create spreads well beyond only a few dozen soldiers. It’s why cowardice and desertion of one’s post in battle are dealt with so severely in most armies, including ours.
Boxlock–
One word: paragraphs.
Boxlock: To blame Republicans for a lack of Republican national elected office holders is simple minded, as Blacks themselves ridicule and denigrate their own that would even try.
Ah, I see it now. The scales have fallen from my eyes. Blacks are simply too stupid to vote Republican.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Boxlock–
Thanks for the evasive answer. I take that as a yes, although when people get laid off, they tend to get sicker, so if you’re selling medical equip., you might be doing okay.
I have the kind of a job in which job layoffs and a slow economy actually creates demand.
So . . . we’re doing great under Worst. President. Ever.