The account I read in the Eagle stated she had lost sight in one eye and hearing in one ear…and the issue is about kids out of control who act out violently…like I said before, kids mirror what they live and it’s a reflection of our culture when these things happen. There is no doubt that there is a serious problem with violence in this country that needs ot be addressed. The last thing we need is to minimize the impact of these sort of crimes…with all the school shootings, teacher assaults, etc. by kids…just saying this is how kids act doesn’t cut it. Kids didn’t act out like this when I was young. There is a real problem here.

Does this mean that those players should not be
“protected” by foul rules, themselves?

And, I rarely hear any basketball players crying about how the rules need to be changed to fit them, personally!

I would go further: I would guess that a very large number of convicts, serving time in prison right now, would say that these attackers, in this case, deserve at least a little bit of prison time.

I would even guess that a large number of current prison inmates would say that these thugs should be tried as adults.

Convicted criminals have families, too.

The primary purpose of law is the protection of the innocent. These thugs are dangerous.

Yes, we are ALL sinners, we all fall short at times, in various ways. This is not about retribution or punishment, it is about the protection of our society.

People like this must be removed from society.

Society also has a right and a duty to keep track of these thugs. Trying them in a criminal court, giving them an adult, criminal record, will make it easier for law enforcement and future courts to consider what and who they are dealing with.

Young people in packs do stupid things. They shouldn’t be ruined by this, no matter what Nancy Grace thinks.

Gee…sounds like Bush/Cheney to me. At least those kids aren’t responsible for thousands and thousands of dead people like WORST PRESIDENT EVER.

And what purpose would that serve?

“My rule with using language is never say or write anything that you would not say or write in the presence of your dear old grandmother.” — Regular.

Convenient, since your dear old grandmother is no doubt dead.
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True enough.

However, manners etiquette and proper behavior doesn’t stop the moment one steps outside of their family environment.

Convenient, since your dear old grandmother is no doubt dead.

“You need to get away from the “punishment” mentality and focus on PROTECTION!” — Franklin.

Then if competent authorities or psychologists determined that those involved in this case were unlikely to harm everyone, and understood the seriousness of their actions, they shouldn’t get any jail time?

So many expletives (F-bombs) dropped, one has to wonder what environment they are being raised.

My rule with using language is never say or write anything that you would not say or write in the presence of your dear old grandmother.

It appears though, that some must have some pretty “salty” grandmothers.

As per the violence, no excuse for it. I hope the Judge comes down loud and clear.

In both cases, the law is PROTECTING 14 year olds, and the rest of society as well.

You need to get away from the “punishment” mentality and focus on PROTECTION!

Any healthy society will demand protection from predators and socio-paths.

What ever laws it takes, to protect society, need only have that goal in mind.

That’s what’s completely screwed up. Everything is run through the filter of morality before it is subjected to any sort of rationality.

But all morality is b.s. since it is simply cultural hubris. HARM ANALYSIS: the punishment/intervention should have some connection to harm, and the likelihood that the perps would commit further harm. In other words, these kids should be judged, not thrown away; but where do you find wise men and women free of societal pressure to do the judging? In the end I doubt if any of them do much time except the males.

You are charging these adolescents with the same crime as two adults who take a baby with the intent of collecting ransom. This was some idiot teenage cat fight.

Not only that, you have television in the mix. Why were the tapes released? Why are we always teased by being told we haven’t seen the worst? It’s because a prosecutor is advancing his career, Nancy Grace is advancing her career, Fox and CNN are sensationalizing to sell beans, and the lives of these eight screwed up teens are immaterial.

And Mary, can’t you read a post? Show me where this girl suffered any permanent physical damage. That’s why the charge is misdemeanor battery. She might end up with a little hicky, I suppose.

In the case of the 14 year old having sex? The law would punish the adult, and deservedly so, who would have sex with a child.

In the case of those who savagely beat up another juvenile, for sport?

Well, just a guess here, but these little darlings seem dangerous to me.

They need to be “saired straight” NOW, or they need to be locked up for a period of time until they can learn to behave.

Failing that? These girls DESERVE an adult criminal record, so that future brutal acts can be judged in the light of THIS crime.

When these little darlings beat someone up, AGAIN, when they are 18 or 19, we do not want any of them to claim that it was “self defense” or “completely out of character” for one of them to act this way, do we?

Beber she very clearly was trying to leave the home and was forceably held there against her will. Hence the kidnapping charge.

And the victim didn’t lose sight in one eye nor hearing in one ear. The eye was “damaged” as was her ear. In other words, she got a black eye. The charges against the eight are misdemeanor battery; if permanent damage is done, the charge is usually aggravated battery or assault. All eight are charged with kidnapping.

This is what I’ve been harping about for months on this board. You are hysterical, and you have been made hysterical by television. Nancy Grace is not telling you the truth; she is exaggerating and agitating to sell beans to bozos.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/04/17/2008-04-17_cheerleader_beaten_on_youtube_video_open.html

Period.