It’s disappointing that Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C., has refused to condemn an inflammatory campaign ad sponsored by her state’s GOP. The ad, which John McCain repeatedly has condemned, tries to tar two Democratic gubernatorial candidates by linking them to Barack Obama and his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. “I’m just not going to get into refereeing a third-party political ad that has nothing to do with my race,” Dole said. But the North Carolina Republican Party has plenty to do with her race. And as the state’s highest-ranking GOP leader, she should have the standing to stop the ad and the moral courage to criticize it.
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You are absolutely right Phillip! Imagine, another damn add telling the truth about a democrat! We must condemn it!
Obama’s campaign is a lie. Everything the MSM would have you believe about this man is a lie. The add running in North Carolina that connects him with the hateful racist that he called his minister for 20 years is the truth.
As long as you also agree when we tie McCain to Catholic-hating Hagee and the rest of the far-right preachers.
Ben, truth is subjective. At least around here it is!
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bth
Posted April 29, 2008 at 9:52 am | Permalink
As long as you also agree when we tie McCain to Catholic-hating Hagee and the rest of the far-right preachers.
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Only bothers non-practicing Catholics I would assume.
No Regular - it also bothers many practicing Catholics I know. I grew up with “Catholics are not real Christian” bigotry in the Jim Crow South; I didn’t like it then either. Even though I am not Catholic.
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bth
Posted April 29, 2008 at 9:59 am | Permalink
No Regular - it also bothers many practicing Catholics I know. I grew up with “Catholics are not real Christian” bigotry in the Jim Crow South; I didn’t like it then either. Even though I am not Catholic.
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If one’s faith is weak, then lot’s of thing bother you.
You might need to be a bit more careful there HLP. John McCain sure is. And he is wise to do so. It was so easy to find something on Rod Parsley (McCain’s “Spiritual advisor”) I spent 5 minutes and found him Specifically saying, and I quote. “I have come to incite a riot” It would be so easy to do that in the General Election. So you might want to be careful or just hope that you don’t have to run against Hillary. She would do something like that, John Edwards would help, and McCain could lose a critical state like North Carolina.
Regular - it has nothing to do with one’s faith being weak. Simply a dislike for bigotry.
Then there was the statement. Again I quote verbatim. “we are the largest special interest group.” You guys may be able to dodge a bullet on Hagee. I don’t know. But this guy Parsley is just jack stupid sometimes. He makes Jeremiah Wright look like an intellectual. You guys may want to follow McCain and quit while you are ahead.
Np wonder John McCain wants to carry out a 100-year Crusade War in the Middle East:
Televangelist Rod Parsley, a key McCain ally in Ohio, has called for eradicating the “false religion.”
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html
Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a “war” against the “false religion” of Islam with the aim of destroying it.
Good Morning Ben!
Of course, go ahead and tie McCain to Hagee!
Hagee is a borderline nutcase. I don’t think that he hates Catholics though. He is a fundementalist right wing protestant evangelist. Any good protestant would be critical of the Catholic Church!
McCain sought Hagee’s endorsement because of the influence that he has with thousands of Texans and because of his influential TV ministry. If McCain had sat in his church for even a few of his sermans he probably wouldn’t have sought his endorsement.
If McCain had read Hagee’s book, “In Defence of Israel” he would probably see what a nut case he was.
On the other hand we have the good Rev. Wright. He is a Black Liberation Philosophical leader. He doesn’t represent the mainstream Black Church.
Obama sat in his church for twenty years. Obama was married by him. Obama had him christen his children. Obama has donate thousands of dollars to his ministry. Obama originally picked him to be the spiritual leader of his campaign.
So Ben, when you do a critical comparison of the relationship of Hagee and McCain VS Obama and Wright you qu9ickly find that. . . you got nothing!
Mornin’ Hank,
Being one of the 29%ers who think Bush is doing a fine job, and supporting McBush, leads one to believe wars should be never ending, so long as the war industry prospers; children don’t need health insurance, because their parents obviously watch too much cable, and drive fancy cars; business needs big breaks because their track record on safety first is so spotless, and they would never put dollars in front of humans and the rich need those tax breaks McBush wants because how else could they afford fuel for their yachts.
Yep, your sure on target with Obama . . . about as much as you’re on target with McBush.
Well, now McCain is part of that discussion. And it’s a dangerous place for him to be, what with Rev. John Hagee’s anti-gay remarks (curiously unremarked upon by anyone in the McCain campaign — is the McCain campaign afraid to repudiate anti-gay remarks?), his anti-Catholic remarks (once condemned by McCain, but now McCain wants to give Hagee the benefit of the doubt)?, his millennialism (which means, as some honest McCain adviser must have explained to the candidate by now, the death of millions of innocent Muslims)… also: Jerry Falwell, and his casual association of 9/11 with the sins of homosexuality, and Rod Parsley, a man who McCain has called a “spiritual guide,” a man who has also called Islam a “false religion” and has advocated war against it and various other bad things.
Why are these folks entitled to these opinions and Wright isn’t entitled to his?
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/hagee_wright_parsley_fallwell.php
Here is another. This is way too easy. I suppose I should handicap myself to only direct quotes. “The time has come to destroy this anti-christ religion, inspired by demons who spoke to ALLAH.” Not even Dubya was stupid enough to say THAT.
“Shall some muslims be spared, the moderates down the street or anywhere else, for example? NO” Ben, just forget about Hagee. Let the Bible Thumpers win the argument about Hagee. This Parsley guy is John McCain’s Spiritual advisor and much more stupid than Hagee. At least Hagee was slick enough to use inuendos.
The double standard is just amazing sometimes. Obama’s pastor is unamerican, but this Parsley guy somehow isn’t dangerous. Let me guess. The muslim nations are going to hear his stupidity and develop a profound respect and fear for us.
“Why are these folks entitled to these opinions and Wright isn’t entitled to his?”
The undecided issue is the democratic candidate.
The focus is on these two, as the first race is still on. Additionally, you are trying to equate the relationship of MCClame to religious nuts as the same as the Wright/Obama one. I don’t think most people, as expressed in the press would agree.
Does it matter to democrats what one of the democratic candidates relationship is with his reverend? That’s the burning issue, with the platform still lacking a leader.
I have this strange idea that what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. I guess that makes me a liberal even though I have never voted for a democrat for president in my whole life. 4 votes for Republicans, 1 vote for Ross Perot, and 2 votes for libertarians. But somehow I am a liberal? HMMMMM
“John Hagee’s anti-gay remarks (curiously unremarked upon by anyone in the McCain campaign”
And why would MCClame, or anyone for that matter comment on the remarks made by someone else? The remarks are not attributed to MCClame.
Mr. Obama is not being asked to explain the remarks of his preacher - only his relationship with him.
Mr. Obama has made it clear that he is not responsible for his preachers remarks. Nor that he has any control over his preachers remarks.
“It’s disappointing that Sen. Elizabeth Dole, R-N.C., has refused to condemn an inflammatory campaign ad sponsored by her state’s GOP. ”
No it’s not.
You can only be disappointed when you are surprised.
This is not surprising in the least.
Dole can say “praise God” every other word.
As long as it is HER take on God from HER pastor.
The religious views of others are not so respectable to her.
Now the long short word for this is “hypocrite”. And THAT’S a syndrome that is rampant among the cons.
“Np wonder John McCain wants to carry out a 100-year Crusade War in the Middle East:”
bth
Posted April 29, 2008 at 10:15 am | Permalink
Come on Ben! If you want to debate with any credibility why start with a false premise? A premise that you know is false?
McCains actual quote:
“Maybe 100. As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed, that’d be fine with me, and I hope it would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where al-Qaida is training, recruiting, equipping and motivating people every single day.”
No mention of “Crusade”. No mention of “war”. Hell, it ain’t a false premise, It’s a damn lie!
Really, is that all ya got? Lies and more lies?
Good morning Mr Walker!
Hell, McCain ain’t my man, he was given to us by the MSM. The democrats are about to nominate the only candidate that would cause me to hold my nose and vote for McCain!
Poor ol’ McCain has a real problem with Christian Fundementalists. He thinks we all aggree with the nut jobs that he is seeking endoresments from. Might work, but I doubt it.
If you want to get under my skin with McCain, bring up McCain/Feingold or McCain/Kennedy or a dozen other bills that he has turned his back on the Republican Party by either co-sponsoring or supporting.
Poor John, the MSM made him and as soon as the Dems come up with their socialist dejour the MSM will destroy him.
You don’t have to resort to lies about him, the only good thing he has going for him is, He Ain’t Obama!
Hank - it’s called hyperbole. Like what is being thrown at Obama. As VET notes above - whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Not only that Hank, but the DNC sponsors an ad that gives the entirely false impression that McCain is for 100 years of war in Iraq. And Howard Dean supports it.
Make sure that is your next lead Phillip. Which is worse? A false ad by the Democratic National Committee, or a true ad by a Republican state committee that offends a few people?
Let me get this straight Hank. Is that your name? Liberals are twisting and perverting what the GOP says and you are accurately reporting the meaning and ideas of said liberals. Why don’t you try selling that to someone else, because that dog don’t hunt anymore.
It’s amazing how we are supposed to seperate church and state, and the BS that flies when they come together. Both sides have people who make me go “where did they find this loon, and then the other side digs a little deeper.
Dear LLTVET,
Yep, Hank Price is my name.
Oh, Outlander, you gotta be kidding. The swift boat retirees for their pensions gave lots of false impressions. They were entitled to that is politics. Now you’re just whining.
LLTVET how did posting the quote verbatim change anything liberals or conservatives said? McCain went on to say very clearly what he meant by the 100 year statement. Liberals like to leave that part out because it isn’t as inflammatory when explained in it’s entireity.
Come on Ben!
Hyperbole? A lie is a lie!
When you twist McCain’s 100 years to the point that it’s a lie, trying to claim it’s hyperbole is just another lie.
Well it is a pleasure Hank. My name is Larry. I disagree with some things that are said. But in the end, I am a veteran of the Army, you are an American so “keep on rocking in the free world.”
Larry - Hank is an ‘old-timer’ here like me. He’s a tad conservative for my tastes but a good man overall. After all, he does like dogs … (not sure about cats … )
Hyperbole/lie. Like I said Goose / Gander. Can we please dispense with the rightous indignation? It reaks of mendacity. Trying to even think that the GOP has been truthful is as funny as trying to think that I went out drinking with Bill Clinton and I had to make the 3 AM phone call to Hillary.
Boy Larry that last remark went right over my conservative head. As I said the ‘truth’ of the statement when heard in it’s entirety does not say that McCain would have us fighting in Iraq in 100 years.
BTW I am not a McCain fan as I have said many times on this blog. I just feel that right now he is the best candidate for several reasons. National security being at the top of my list.
And besides. 100 years is 100 years. Most Americans don’t give a rat’s ass about what that does to Military Families. They just want their Military Posts all over the world so that they can feel safe. I am a highly decorated, honorably discharged Non-Commissioned Officer of the United States Army. My opinion is that we have too many posts in too many countries and way too many of these countries are guilty of highway robery. If you don’t believe that, then tell me why it should cost. 1.2 million dollars a year to run a mess hall for 86 troops in Turkey. I tried closing it and giving them seperate Rations. The Turkish Government didn’t like that idea. NOW THAT IS A FACT!!!!!!
ksgrm - I think that 3AM call is to tell her that they got busted for DUI or something …
I think we’re getting someplace here!
Each side tries real hard to stretch everything they can find that might smack of impropriety. To the extent we’re all trying to make a candidate for POTUS responsible for all remarks and opinions of anyone who may be an acquaintance (more commonly stretched to be called a relationship!).
None of us knows all there is to know of another person. We may spend regular increments of time with people and still only know them in one context. This all goes without saying that each of us is in flux as we mature, grow, learn, expand our horizons.
If we could ignore the media and their hyberbole we might be able to figure out a way to improve things and we could just bring the politicians along with our plans. They’re all fairly easy if it will get them elected.
OK GRM you didn’t like my dig at Hillary and her 3AM. Let me spell it out. The GOP has twisted, perverted and even lied about several topics. They are politicians. That is their nature. If people aren’t smart enough to question things, then they will be conned into stupid things. 100 years is 100 years. These troops are sworn to protect the constitution. They are not sworn to protect Iraq. The constitution and Iraq are not one and the same. If you want to believe Iraq=Constitution, rock on. I disagree with such a notion.
McCain “condemned” the ad by doing absolutely nothing to prevent it from being aired. Kinda like how he condemned Hagee’s view that god damned America for New Orleans having a parade. He condemned him so much he sought out his endorsement.
Well, welcome to the BLOG Larry! I’m a retired submarine sailor, life time member of the VFW and the NRA!
Ben thinks I’m a little conservative! Hell, if you look up right-wing-Christian-fundementalist-young-earth-creationist in the dictionary you’ll be able to see my picture there!
Yea - I think all that time cooped up in a little metal tube …
Linda: Your beautiful. I agree 100%.
BTH: I was thinking more along the lines of getting our face slapped and being thrown out of Jezebells.
GRM: I am BEGGING for a good reason to vote for McCain. I am a veteran. At least he spent real time in the military rather than just 6 years in the air force nasty girls like dubya did(that’s what we on active duty army called national guardsmen) I would LOVE to vote for McCain. All he has to do is tell the religious right,Flush Lardball, and Ann Coultergeist to stick it and us independents will flock to him.
The blog is more enjoyable this morning. Welcome Larry. I have a hard shell and don’t believe half of what I hear and believe most of what I see.
I am no Hillary fan either so you can dig all you want but keep it honest. Bill would never call home so you would probably have to do it.
Linda I felt sorry for Obama last night. I saw in his statement the earlier Obama who didn’t have all of the answers and finally realized it. I think Wright for whatever reason is out to torpedo Obama.
The strangest campaign I have ever seen. Looking forward to seeing the last two candidates standing so we can get down to specifics.
Speaking of which I just saw on Drudge that Hillary will be on O’Reilly Wednesday night. Should be interesting.
Thanks Hank, I’m a tanker turned clerk when the Army found out that I could type. That sucked. Ben and I still have a few disagreements because I still haven’t completely forgiven the Bill and Hillary show for making the army crappy during the 90s. I took SSB in 1999 because the Army started to look more like the Boy Scouts. I am a libertarian and I have separation of church and state tatoo’d across my chest.
Come on Larry, Ann Coulter is supporting Hillary!
http://www.anncoulter.com/
I did see Coulter on Hannity and Colms last night and she is still backing Hillary. She like Larry is looking for a reason to vote for McCain.
Larry, my hubby was sent to MP school when they found he could type, then on to confinement school and he worked as a supply clerk at a prison in Germany. He knows that was a much safer place to be than having his shiny helmet in Nam as a crossing guard. Who knew that typing class in high school would come in handy for more than school papers!? Another positive is his unabashed appreciation of me as the best damn supply clerk he has ever known.
Dole cannot condemn the ad.
It’s what they do.
Vicious personal attacks are all they’ve got.
I don’t like Hillary. Hence my 3AM humor above. Besides, according to Elton John, I am a massaganist. I just don’t like the idea of someone being president because their dad or their hubby were president. I would rather have the wrong president than start down the slippery slope of aristocracy. I didn’t want dubya and I don’t want Hillary. Coultergeist is just a stupid, loud-mouth broad.
Hagee is no threat to my country.
The Reverend Wright is a threat to my country.
What a minister believes, no matter how outlandish, does not bother me — as long as the survival of my country, and the welfare of my country are not at risk.
The Reverend Wright went to terrororist Libya to meet with Khadaffi, after that terrorist had shot down a United States passenger airliner.
The Reverend Wright took Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan with him, on that trip.
Wright is a threat to America.
Hagee is not a threat to America.
End of story.
By the way, as a Catholic, I fully admit that my 2000 year old faith has made many mistakes.
It is not my place to judge, but I seriously doubt that every Pope has made it into Heaven.
At one time, we had 3 disputed Popes at the same time!
We have had Popes with several illegitmate kids.
We have had Popes authorize some horrible things.
(Not in modern times, however. The Catholic Church was heroic in its opposition to Hitler.)
Catholics are NOT required to believe that every Pope is infallible. When “speaking from the Chair of St. Peter on matters of Faith” we are to obey the Pope.
On personal failures of the Pope? We are not required to excuse the Pope. We are not to judge, but we are also required to defend what is wrong on its face.
Therefore, “Whore of Babylon” might well fit at least one Pope, though I do not believe the phrase ever fit the entire Church.
It’s misogynist Larry, but somehow I don’t think you are one. I guess you could prove me wrong though. : )
sorry
We are also NOT required to defend what is wrong, on its face.
Good afternoon Franklin: You might be a bit behind the power curve chief. I’m gonna go ahead and let you have Hagee. Call it a gimme. Why don’t you scroll up and read some of the quotes from Rod Parsley. This is McCain’s “Spiritual Advisor” That’s right Franklin. I said the S.A. word. I especially love the quote about how all Muslims should be killed, even the moderates. He sounds like a real asset to our national security there chief.
Well, in the end, we will have two choices.
I will not be able to agree, 100%, with either one of them.
I do not believe in “3rd Party” candidates and do not wish to waste my vote.
Now, it I can not agree, 100%, with a single person, how in the hell will I be able to agree with 100% of the supporters of that particular candidate, 100% of the time?
Parsley and Wright are also different.
Parsley is also no threat to my country.
Wright is a threat to my country.
By the way:
Islam IS a “false religion” — and any true Christian leader is required to say so.
For starters, Moslems believe that Judas was a HERO.
Moslems believe that Jesus did NOT die on the cross.
Moslems believe that Judas pretended to be Jesus and died in the place of Jesus.
Any Christian leader that does NOT state that Moslem is a “false religion” is not truly Christian.
Franklin you are starting to scare me. I can dig what you said about your vote. That is American Democracy, rock on. But Christians are NOT required to kill all muslims, even the moderates. American leaders ARE required to get along with moderate muslim countries. Parsley needs to explain why moderate muslim countries shouldn’t be afraid of his rantings.
I won’t even get into your Bible Ranting, that is your gig, not mine. I want to get along with you Fundamentalists but you are making it harder every day chief.
“Franklin” pontificates –
“Islam IS a “false religion” — and any true Christian leader is required to say so.”
Which would make the last “true Christian leader” some 14th Century pope.
“…Moslems believe that Judas was a HERO.”
Most Christians have to believe that, too. Without Judas, there would have been no crucifixion or resurrection; which is pretty much the point of Christianity, isn’t?
Ya gotta admit Christianity would have been a much harder sell if Jesus had died of Alzheimer’s in his bed at the age of 92.
Not to mention all those necklaces with a jewel-encrusted Serta mattress on a gold chain.
“Moslems believe that Judas pretended to be Jesus and died in the place of Jesus.”
And that would change what Jesus said and taught during his ministry exactly…how?
“Any Christian leader that does NOT state that Moslem is a “false religion” is not truly Christian.”
And there we have it, folks! Judgment Day will not be presided over to God. He’s outsourced the job to “Franklin,” who determine who is or isn’t a “true Christian!”
All, hail, Almighty “Franklin!”
Let’s all bow down to the Prophet of the Prairie!
(Damn. And I had faith in “Nathaniel.”)
Hate to change the subject but did anyone get the the license plate number of the bus Obama just threw Wright under.
I think it is save to say Obama did not like Wright’s press club speech yesterday.
“Wright is a threat to my country.”
Wright is a ranting loon.
You and yours paulie. You are the threat to the country.
“Wright is a ranting loon.”
Well Obama did say all he heard was “rants”.
Vet
It is pretty much impossible to be a “fundamentalist” and a “Catholic” at the same time.
Catholics believe that the Bible is not, by itself, the sole authority on faith.
Fundamentalists disagree.
Well your too sharp for me Franklin. I stand corrected.
This is funny isnt it?
The Eagle keeps telling us that Wright is not important and that Wright is not an issue.
However, Obama calls a PRESS CONFERENCE to talk about this “non-issue”???
This is cowardice, on Obama’s part.
Rev. Wright is no more egotistical and no more crazy than he was when he flew with Farrakhan to vist Khaddafi.
Obama is toast.
So much so, Limbaugh is even considering reversal of his former “Operation Chaos” directions, and telling Republicans to vote for Obama.
“The Reverend Wright went to terrororist Libya to meet with Khadaffi, after that terrorist had shot down a United States passenger airliner.”
The Clinton and Bush administrations met with Khadaffi. As a result Khadaffi agreed to stop his WMD programs. Are you claiming that this effort resulting in harming America?
As usual Paul is clueless. His form of diplomacy is to bomb first then bomb then let someone else sort out the problems. But tell my Pauly boy, why did Wright go to Libya?
And how does Hagee’s call for war with Iran make us safer?
Paul, Rev. Wright served as a marine and put his life on the line for the country he loves. What did you do?
Lee Harvey Oswald, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and I all have something in common.
Guess what that might be?
And Maggot, at the time that Wright and Farrakhan went to see terrorist Khadaffi, Libya had not sworn off of terrorism, and was still an avowed enemy of the United States.
Hey this is getting better, Obama and Sharpton are having a fight, as well:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm
“Moslems believe that Judas pretended to be Jesus and died in the place of Jesus.”
Care to back that up Paul?
Wright is more dangerous than Paul. As a marine he is a man of action. Paul is just a bunch of BS and hot air.
Lee Harvey Oswald, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and I all have something in common.
Guess what that might be?
All nutcases?
Elizabeth Dole most likely knows who makes up the Republican Party financiers in North Carolina and is not going to get in a urinating contest with some ‘loose cannons’.
Besides, as she stated, the campaign for President race is not associated with her race for the Senate.
Muddying the waters among constituents is never a good idea. Although, knowing a bit about Senator Dole, I’m sure she passed on her comments in private to those who ran the ad.
That way, private consultation doesn’t have to be seen as public cheer leading for the Obama campaign.
Rather smart move by her in my opinion.
Ben
It is rather common knowledge among anyone who has studied comparative religions.
Islam thinks Christianity is a “weak” religion and that the Christian idea of Jesus and “submission” and “sacrifice” is wrong.
They believe that the True God would not submit or sacrifice, and, therefore, that Jesus was not divine.
Moslems believe that Judas died in the place of Jesus, and regard Judas as a hero.
Moslems regard Jesus as the second most important prophet, after Mohammed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_view_of_Jesus
Paul, you didn’t answer the question, what was Wright’s business in Libya?
Actually
Political candidates are to have NO control over campaign expenses or decisions other than their OWN campaign funds.
That is the LAW!
The Eagle always supports “campaign finance reform” laws. —-
Until they are actually put into practice, that is!
“Islam thinks Christianity is a “weak” religion and that the Christian idea of Jesus and “submission” and “sacrifice” is wrong.”
That’s funny, the meaning of Islam is submission. And what of those fasts that Muslims participate in. I wonder where you get your notion of Islam from Paul. Probably from the typical hate filled racist BS that you get all your crap from.
Paulie why are you so concerned about what Muslims think about your religion? They think differently. My dad worked in a muslim country (Saudi Arabia) and got along famously. The only beef that Muslims have is with some piece of real estate. The same piece of real estate that John Hagee and Pat Robertson get foamed at the mouth about. So why don’t you stop Isaac and Ishmael from fighting and play nice.
Paulie - I am well aware that Muslims consider Jesus to be a major Prophet. But where does it say they consider Judas to be a hero or that he dies in His place? Can you show that specific reference? Or is it simply “common knowledge” in Paul-world.
By the way Paul - I studied comparative religions in college.
we don’t want Coultergeist to support Hillary.
“According to some Muslim traditions, Jesus was replaced by a double; others suggest it was Simon of Cyrene, or one of the disciples such as Judas Iscariot.”
Note that it says SOME traditions - not all of mainstream Islam nor that it is in the Quran.
Wright and Obama are both black, so of course they must think alike.
So what about Condi?
She’s not really black because she’s a Republican.
No real black is a Republican.
That’s a given.
Maggot, you misinterpret what I said.
Islam does not believe that “God” would ever “submit” to the will of man.
Jesus did exactly that when he allowed the crucifixion to take place.
It seems that McCain’s spiritual advisor advocates the extermination of Muslims because they don’t accept Jesus as Lord. Gee, I seem to recall the same thing being said about the Jews.
Do we need a guy like Rod Parsley advising the Commander in Chief about what countries to bomb? Parsley is a MUCH bigger threat to my country that Wright ever could be.
“Jesus did exactly that when he allowed the crucifixion to take place.”
Seems nobody has a choice in the matter when they are being executed. Kinda strange argument that the criminal gives the courts permission to throw them into jail.
Then again, Catholics fast for a day and see it as the same as 40 days while Muslims fast for a month for Ramadan but Paul concludes Muslims don’t sacrifice like Christians do.
“It seems that McCain’s spiritual advisor advocates the extermination of Muslims because they don’t accept Jesus as Lord. Gee, I seem to recall the same thing being said about the Jews.
Do we need a guy like Rod Parsley advising the Commander in Chief about what countries to bomb? Parsley is a MUCH bigger threat to my country that Wright ever could be.”
Nonsense, Rev. Wright is Black, therefore he’s a lot more dangerous. Don’t ask me why that’s the case, I’m not a neo-con nutter.
Rod Parsley isn’t McCain’s “spiritual adviser”.
And neither Wright or Parsley is a threat to the United States.
“Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a “war” against the “false religion” of Islam with the aim of destroying it.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/12/john-mccains-spiritual-_n_91203.html
Rod Parsley, McCain’s “Spiritual Guide” (Extended)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFr59VC50tY
“He has personally endorsed the presidential campaign of Republican nominee John McCain, who has called Parsley a “spiritual guide”.[3]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Parsley#Political_activism
So, outlander, when Parsley “spiritually guides” McCain into a Crusade to destroy half the world’s population he is not a threat to this country?
Looks like McCain surrounds himself with these Taliban nutcases.
“TV Evangelist John Hagee Wants War With Iran, and He Wants It Now!
http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell73.html
If anyone still thinks that the radical end-times “prophecy” movement is not a threat to peace and stability, think again. At the popular level, in terms of the TV preachers and the hot-selling prophecy books, the dispensational pre-trib stuff still reigns supreme. Most conservative-leaning Evangelical churches in America today are heavily influenced by popular dispensational theology to some extent. Even churches and pastors that don’t teach pretribulationalism still are influenced by dispensationalism to varying degrees.
The most dangerous element of this prophetic paradigm, however, is its doom-and-gloom view of the world. And in most cases, those who have a fascination with the end of the world have a particular fascination with war and militarism as well. More problematic, it assumes that their wars of choice are not just their own foreign policy preferences or personal opinions. Rather they are ordained by God. In 2003, more than a few pastors and influential Christian figures basically said that opposing the Iraq war was opposing God’s end-time plan. According to Evangelical end-times enthusiasts, if you opposed the Iraq war, you didn’t just hate your country and the troops, now you were opposing God and the Bible as well.”
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bth
Posted April 29, 2008 at 8:53 pm | Permalink
So, outlander, when Parsley “spiritually guides” McCain into a Crusade to destroy half the world’s population he is not a threat to this country?
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Repeating for the hard of hearing:
Rod Parsley isn’t McCain’s “spiritual adviser”.
Not much of a link Ben. No evidence, just left wing propaganda. Really, as a scientist, you should be more selective in what you accept for evidence. You’ll start folks to thinking that science isn’t objective.
outlander - Repeating for those who cannot read-McCain stated that Parsley is his ’spiritual guide’ and ’spiritual advisor’.
So, outlander, are you calling McCain a liar?
Prove it Ben.
Read McCain’s own words from the links outlander. HE called Parsley his spiritual advisor.
John McCain described Rod Parsley, a televangelist who urged a Christian war on Islam, as his spiritual guide
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3548250.ece
Nice picture of the pair …
McCain called Parsley “a” spiritual guide. He didn’t call him “my” spiritual guide. Typical left wing BS, Ben.
I THINK you are calling for a thread as to this Ben.
And if you are not I am.
Anybody else concerned that a Presidential candidate is in close consultation with ministers attempting to work at the higest level to do a Revelations dinner theater….for REAL?
So, Ben, are you going to stick with the lie or reject the proven falsehood. If you will attempt to fudge here, who knows where else a scientist might fudge if it doesn’t agree with their politics?
Semantical games outlander?
Do YOU believe we are living in the “end times”?
Or do you think we should have a President who consults with people who want to BRING ON the end times?
Well, outlander, I suppose it all depends on what ‘is’ is.
“Senator John McCain hailed as a spiritual adviser an Ohio megachurch pastor who has called upon Christians to wage a “war” against the “false religion” of Islam with the aim of destroying it.”
outlnder - I never claimed that Parsley was McCain’s ONLY spiritual guide. He has Hagee too …
Read the cation to the picture … HIS spiritual advisor
That’s OK Ben. Your response told me all I need to know.
Yes - my response verified that I am telling the TRUTH and that you cannot handle the TRUTH.
Wright is a nutcase. But Hagee and Parsley are much more dangerous nutcases. Wright won’t try to take America into Armageddon. Parsley and Hagee WILL.
I agree Blue Jay - the Eagle should do a thread on End Times theology and those whowant to bring it upon us.
The Truth. Scientifically speaking, Ben?
I have to tell you Ben, my perception of scientists as cool, dispassionate, fact minded folks is taking a real blow. It confirms some of my suspicions.
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/33186-john-mccain-praising-rod-parsley-in-cincinnati
Busted Ben,
McCain said, “A moral compass, a spiritual guide”
in reference to calling Parsley one of America’s greatest blah blah…
At no time did McCain use the words “My spiritual guide.”
That was Cincinnati - he used the other words in other locations in OH as noted in the other links.
I also believe that Bill Clinton had ’sex’ with Monica- legalisms notwithstanding. I suppose there are those for whom legalisms are more important than meaning.
bth Posted April 29, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Lee Harvey Oswald, Rev. Jeremiah Wright and I all have something in common.
Guess what that might be?
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You are all three males?
You are all three graduates of UCLA?
You are all three graduates of MIT?
C’mon Ben! I can’t find anywhere you would have something in common withe both those men!
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bth
Posted April 29, 2008 at 9:36 pm | Permalink
That was Cincinnati - he used the other words in other locations in OH as noted in the other links.
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Show the video Ben.
It’s really quite that simple…
…it really, really is.
Easy question lindainks,
All were Marines.
Linda - that was me quoting Paul. Paul was the one saying he had something in common with them.
Regular - I don’t have a video of Bill with Monica.
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bth
Posted April 29, 2008 at 9:42 pm | Permalink
Regular - I don’t have a video of Bill with Monica.
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Funny, Ben.
I hear Obama supporters are selling un-retouched videos and calling it “Cigar Stains.”
Good one back at ya -
Not sure it would sell much though … shudder …
Are you going to answer my question outlander?
Sorry I misread. It is easier to see what Paul has in common with those other two. I’m tickled Paul has something in common with someone / anyone.
“Do YOU believe we are living in the “end times”?”
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I don’t know.
Third call outlander.
Do you believe we are living in the “end times”?
Do you support a candidate who surrounds himself with agents who wish to BRING ON their own version of the “end times”?
Because if you don’t answer, I will have to draw my own conclusions.
And so will everyone else.
Thank you for answering the first outlander.
And the second?
False premise.