Oh,yea. Monster, by Steppinwolf. Killer album too.

what a bush dumbass suckup

Does anyone believe this crap at this point?

Iraq WAS stable, abet under a brutal dictator - but at least they were a secular nation.

Saudi Arabia is a fundamentalist nation under a brutal monarchy, yet Bush holds hands with the leaders of Saudi Arabia and lauds our relationship with them.

They give women lashes because they were RAPED!

We must be crazy or stupid or both.

Iraq will never be a functioning democracy. They will never be stable, neither will the Middle East.

The blood in the sands of the Middle East runs too deep and there is nothing that America can do about it.

Damn.

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Were you around in ‘68 Price? Were you involved with the election campaign? Were you actively involved in the anti-war movement?

In ‘68, the American people had enough of Viet Nam - they wanted out.

After Bobby Kennedy’s death, the Democratic Party hijacked the convention and nominated LBJ’s VP, the hapless Happy Warrior Hubert Humphrey.

Nixon tried to capture the anti-war vote with his “secret plan” meme - many bought it - enough that Nixon barely won the presidency.

At the time, it was CLEAR that Nixon’s plan was to end the war immediately, as Bobby Kennedy and Eugene McCarty had proposed.

Nixon lied.

How is a plan to end the war, which ended the war… not a plan to end the war?

This is why you are little more than a partisan hack.

In 1973 - five years after he was elected.

Hardly a plan to end the war.

Last I checked, Nixon did end the Vietnam War. He brought North Vietnam and South to the Peace accords and when we had withdrawn they were no longer at war.

Yeah, that was a blueprint for success - see the Colin Powell doctrine.

And, by the way, read the Lieberman/Graham editorial - it could have been written last year or the year before or the year before that.

The international community was too busy lining their pockets with Saddam’s “Oil for food” money for their secret weapons and supplies deals. They didn’t want to participate or collaborate with the United States, they were already in bed with Hussein.

The Kurdish village in Northern Iraq was gassed, with gas we sold Hussein, in the Eighties.

Sure did. We had to get out before the Kurds got gased.

Yeah, like that flaming liberal Richard M Nixon who ran for president in ‘68 on a “secret plan to end the war.”

His secret plan was to expand the war beyond what even that idiot LBJ did.

Oh, and before you scream that LBJ was a Democrat - we disowned him 40 plus years ago.

Why didn’t Viet Nam end in “ten minutes?”

“Did we try to occupy Iraq the first time around? Did we have a clear exit strategy? Did we have a clear mission? Did we have the support of the international community?”

This is why.

Exactly

Yeah, and that war was over in what - ten minutes? Did we try to occupy Iraq the first time around? Did we have a clear exit strategy? Did we have a clear mission? Did we have the support of the international community?

The similarities to Iraq now and Viet Nam then is that we have/had none of the above.

Don’t trust me? Trust Schwarztkopf, when he asked for no interference and went in and kicked butt.

Now that we have the Iraq conflict, politicians, liberal news media and rag waving protestors are once again sticking their noses in and it is total chaos.

Duh Libs never learn - they just make matters worse.

The VC was equiped, funded, trained, and backed by the North Vietnamese.

Without that support the VC would have failed miserably.

Actually, most of the VC had been killed in the failed Tet offensive.

As the war progressed the numbers of VC went down as the numbers of NVA regulars went up.

With no one to support the ARVN, exactly what kind of fighting did you expect them to do?

Besides, when the ARVN collapsed those that survived rushed to help get their families to safety.

The North Vietnamese killed and executed nearly all government officials and anyone that could have posed a threat.

When your entire leadership is killed and you have no support what kind of jungle war are you supposed to fight?

It absolutely amazes me how ignorant people like you, Ben, and CapnAmerica are when it comes to the Vietnam war.