“They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” Barack Obama recently said at a San Francisco fundraiser, trying to explain his lack of appeal to some small-town working-class voters. Hillary Clinton has tagged the statement as “elitist and divisive,” words that Republicans are happy to have for later. This could stick to Obama longer than the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy, but someone whose family income has topped $100 million this decade might be careful about calling people “elitist” and “out of touch.”
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Obama is an elitist snob.
There is no way he can wiggle out of this one.
Even Obama says, now that he was caught, that this was a poor choice of words on his part.
Actually, Obama’s words show us exactly who Obama is: A man who looks down, with contempt, on most of the country that he wishes to lead!
Obama is sure liking the taste of “foot” recently.
Neither one of you boneheads would be voting for Obama anyway, so your opinions are meaningless.
Obama, like all politicians, was trying to insert himself into the voting block. He wants to be seen as one of them – and understanding. No different than Hillary shootin’ ducks and drinking beer.
Only he has a complete misunderstanding on small town USA and what people really value. It could be he has heard the hate and frustration on black Americans one too many times in church, and tried to apply the same to white America. A mistake.
But still, an honest one. I would take someone who makes mistakes – and is honest about them anyday over a repeated LIAR like Hillary who has zero integrity and cannot be trusted.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
Neither one of you boneheads would be voting for Obama anyway, so your opinions are meaningless.
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It gives us great pleasure canceling your vote, by voting against Obama. :)
WS Clark,
I will remember what you said next time you have an opinion on someone you didn’t vote for.
What’s not true about what he said?
annie
It is due to people like YOU that Democrats do so poorly in Presidential races.
Every smart Democrat knows that Obama just stepped in it.
Ask a smart Democrat.
You folks have to HIDE who you really are or you will not win!
“WS Clark, I will remember what you said next time you have an opinion on someone you didn’t vote for.”
touché
“I will remember what you said next time you have an opinion on someone you didn’t vote for.”
For the lame brained ones above – you post as if there was the slightest possibility that you would vote for Obama – that ain’t gonna happen.
The point is, this is a Democratic Primary. We will choose our candidate among the Democrats.
The Republics have already chosen theirs.
When the General Election campaign starts, then we can go toe to toe on Democrat v. Republic.
Until then, your opinion is meaningless.
WS
I believe that we are commenting on the effect that Obama’s mouth will have on middle America.
BTW, Hillary is not voting for Obama, is she?
WS, you need to tell Hillary that SHE is “not allowed” to comment, don’t you?
“It is due to people like YOU that Democrats do so poorly in Presidential races.”
Jeez, I thought we did pretty well in ‘92 and ‘96 – not so bad in ‘00 – won the popular by half a million.
Which presidential races were you talking about?
“WS, you need to tell Hillary that SHE is “not allowed” to comment, don’t you?”
It’s a DEMOCRATIC primary – do you vote in Democratic primaries, Rossell?
I know a lot of Kansans, Democrat and Republican, who are bitter and angry about Bush’s misbegotten war, Bush’s recession, and Bush’s misfeasance, nonfeasance and malfeasance in office. How is it that Obama’s use of the word “bitter” has drawn more attention that John McCain calling his wife a “*unt?”
People speak words they wish they could have taken back, people speak words that aren’t the ones they wish they had chosen — I do, you do, everyone does. I doubt this will be the deciding factor in whether he is or is not the Democratic Party nominee. But it gives everyone something to talk about. Those who are most against this man’s campaign for office will make the most of each slip of the tongue, each difference in their own opinions.
Shall we list the times bush or McCain have used words that might not have been the best choice?
Sinking Ship
The ship was sinking—and sinking fast. The captain told the passengers and crew, “We’ve got to get the lifeboats in the water right away.” But the crew said, “First we have to end capitalist oppression of the working class. Then we’ll take care of the lifeboats.” Then the women said, “First we want equal pay for equal work. The lifeboats can wait.” The racial minorities said, “First we need to end racial discrimination. Then seating in the lifeboats will be allotted fairly.” The captain said, “These are all important issues, but they won’t matter a damn if we don’t survive. We’ve got to lower the lifeboats right away!” But the religionists said, “First we need to bring prayer back into the classroom. This is more important than lifeboats.” Then the pro-life contingent said, “First we must outlaw abortion. Fetuses have just as much right to be in those lifeboats as anyone else.” The right-to-choose contingent said, “First acknowledge our right to abortion, then we’ll help with the lifeboats.” The socialists said, “First we must redistribute the wealth. Once that’s done everyone will work equally hard at lowering the lifeboats.” The animal-rights activists said, “First we must end the use of animals in medical experiments. We can’t let this be subordinated to lowering the lifeboats.” Finally the ship sank, and because none of the lifeboats had been lowered, everyone drowned. The last thought of more than one of them was, “I never dreamed that solving humanity’s problems would take so long—or that the ship would sink so SUDDENLY.”
Thanks for clearing that up Franklin in other words you have no proof. Drove through the rust belt lately. Here’s a clue for you and your wingnut buddies you can’t eat ideology no matter how optimistic you are.
Regular (chortles)
“It gives us great pleasure canceling your vote, by voting against Obama.”
Too bad you Reds don’t have a candidate worth voting FOR!
Pretty funny to watch the Wingnuts pile on, given the internicine war in the Repubican Party between the Big Money city folks and the rural, religious base. The party of privilege always looks pretty lameass when it tries to give itself a populist makeover, now more than ever.
Small town folks in America know the score: actions speak louder than words. They know they’ve been screwed by the GOP for a generation, and Repube rhetoric isn’t going to change that.
Isn’t it fun that Obama opponents have so few opportunities to shed a bad light on his candidacy? They end up sounding shrill and silly in their emphasis of such insignificance. Read here for examples.
“The point is, this is a Democratic Primary. We will choose our candidate among the Democrats.”
No Clark you won’t. Kansas already voted. After the last couple of big states – it will be up the Superdelegates to decide for you.
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WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 12:52 pm | Permalink
“WS, you need to tell Hillary that SHE is “not allowed” to comment, don’t you?”
It’s a DEMOCRATIC primary – do you vote in Democratic primaries, Rossell?
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Evidently, Clark has forgotten about Operation Chaos and Operation Pig Sticker
:D
Here’s the full statement, which gives a little better idea of what in the world he was thinking! :)
I apologize for the length, but Huffington Post doesn’t include a convenient link on a very long page:
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So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…I think they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today – kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What’s the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American. So we’ll go down a series of talking points.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html
“Small town folks in America know the score”
Yes they do, and that is why they are RED!
The Democrats and Liberals here didn’t seem to have a problem commenting on the Republicans running for President.
Now all of a sudden we are not supposed to have an opinion on the Democrats simply because we won’t be voting for them?
“Better dead than Red” the Republicans used to say before they started to embrace being Red.
Hey Rage, did Obama deliver that message in the “U.S. K.K.K. of A.?” :)
annie
Do YOU drive an Amercan made car?
I do.
Those of you who don’t? Well, the “rust belt” used to make lots of cars.
Also, annie, your green nut, treehugger friends are killing America’s industrial base.
Let us drill for our OWN oil!
That will do a great deal to help bring down the cost of gasoline and will help a great deal, with our manufacturing base.
Nathaniel,
WSClark pointed out that your opinion is “meaningless”, not that you shouldn’t have one. His was a statement about the value of your opinions (an assessment I would agree with), not your right to have them.
Work on that reading comprehension, would ya?
Obama is that “elitist” who worked years with people in poverty in Chicago. As usual the well-paid media is just assuming how a bunch of people feel.
No surprise Bush is caught red handed ordering the torture and murder of POWs but the press would rather focus on this. Another year of corporate media bullshit.
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Maggotpunk
Posted April 14, 2008 at 1:19 pm | Permalink
Obama is that “elitist” who worked years with people in poverty in Chicago. As usual the well-paid media is just assuming how a bunch of people feel.
No surprise Bush is caught red handed ordering the torture and murder of POWs but the press would rather focus on this. Another year of corporate media bullshit.
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Show where a P.O.W. has been murdered.
Source please.
Good point thomas.
I would disagree with my opinion being meaningless, as someone already pointed out, Operation Chaos seems to make our opinions not so meaningless.
“your green nut, treehugger friends are killing America’s industrial base.”
Sorry Franklin but the industrial base is destroying itself by failing to build automobiles which get the best fuel economy. Chevy recently BRAGGED on TV with their latest “hybrid” SUV. It’s a freakin TANK that gets 21 MPG. Not only does it cost as much as a small house, but filling the gas tank will send you to the poor house.
Me? I drive a Japanese built Honda Hybrid Civic. Consumer reports rates RELIABILITY highest on the foreign made cars – and fuel economny. I’m not a green guy, just a tight wad. At 44 MPG I have cut my gas bill in half, am sending less taxes to Washington, and less profit to middle eastern countries and other America haters overseas.
When the Big Three start building cars which top the charts in reliability and fuel economy and finally price – I might come back. Otherwise, it’s gomenazi.
And take a real close look Franklin at where cars really are built. Very, very few are made completely in the USA or with USA made parts.
Franklin some how I knew it would the dirty hippie tree hugger dems and not the globalist profit before people investment banks.
I’m still waiting for my Bear Stearns stock to come in the mail. Anybody else get theirs yet? We bailed them out we should get something for it.
Franklin here’s a little tune you can hum to yourself at your next shiny white guy republican meeting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOdWxf1tRmI
Right on, AMWay. (damn, that’s 2ce today; we gotta quit meeting like this!)
I had a 80 or 81 Datsun B210 that on a good day depending on which way the wind was blowing would get nearly 40mpg. Then again, I’ve always drive like an old man. Like the guys on car talk say, any time you use your brakes, you’e wasting gas. I’d idle in neutral for near 2 miles to a stop sign. Anything down hill was neutral. And the 5 gears? Car talk guys and I agree–even/odd method. Even # gears on even days; odd # gears on odd days.
WSClark
Posted April 14, 2008 at 12:23 pm | Permalink
Neither one of you boneheads would be voting for Obama anyway, so your opinions are meaningless.
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What makes you think Clark that just Democrats will choose the Democrat nominee!
I voted Democrat in the Primary.
And I know some Republican snowbirds who voted Democrat in 2 states!
Sorta makes up for all those Democrats voting for McCain!
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
(AmWay – quit p-o Clark. You keep making him mad and hurting his feelings by attacking Hillary!!!)
Y’all didn’t see anything wrong with this Obama quote when I posted it yesterday!
I’m glad the WE Blog considered my suggestion to make this weekend news story a main topic today.
Better late, then never.
I am sooooo bitter that I went and clinged to my church yesterday.
And today, I’m going to the gun shop and cling to some more guns.
Deciding what gun to cling to. Maybe a:
SKS?
MAK?
AR-15?
10-gauge (3 trigger side-by-side!)?
Mini-14?
Probably take my pick-up so I can haul em all!!! And get plenty of ammo too!!!
Happiness for us rednecks is CLINGING to a warm gun!
I’m with Ted Nugent: you eat what you shoot.
Obama helped organize WITH FARRAKHAN!:
http://bobmccarty.com/2008/04/02/obama-organized-farrakhans-million-man-march/
Typical of liberals on this Blog:
You want to blame Republicans for the problems in the “rust belt” — but you buy foreign cars and you will not let America produce more domestic oil!
Oh, and notice the limited uses Clinton sees for guns. Sporting, collecting, hunting.
Clinton has no idea what the 2nd Amendment is all about. And it’s not about hunting!
In Britain, guns are just for sporting and hunting – so they are locked up at your local gun sporting/hunting club. You are not allowed to take your own gun home.
That’s the purpose for guns – according to Heelary.
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http://www.campaignsandelections.com/stories/?StoryID=4DF76911-1422-17E0-F81A664CDF017C03
And Clinton brought up the flap again at a voter forum in Pittsburgh Monday. “[Obama] said that they cling to religion and guns and dislike people who are different from them. Well, I don’t believe that. I believe that people don’t cling to religion, they value their faith. You don’t cling to guns, you enjoy hunting or collecting or sport shooting,” Clinton said.
Y’all see the gun-ban positions taken by Clinton and Obama?
I posted em yesterday.
Ya wanta see em again?
1970’s Business and the Economy | Automobile Industry in the 1970s
Economic Turmoil and Change.
The 1970s proved to be a decade of tumultuous change for the automobile industry in the United States. Caught first in the economic
turmoil of high interest rates, high inflation, and price control and then in the energy crises of 1973-1974 and 1979, the automobile industry bore the brunt of the changes brought upon the U.S. economy. In addition to the domestic economic situation, U.S. automakers also faced a changed international market, with more competition from foreign manufacturers.
A Poor Start.
The decade started badly with a paralyzing strike by the United Auto Workers (UAW) during 1970. As a result production at the four major automakers—General Motors (GM), Ford Motor Company, Chrysler, and the American Motors Corporation (AMC)—sank by one million vehicles, 10 percent below 1969 figures. In addition to the strike, automakers were faced with a buying public that…
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Economically, the decentralization of automobile plants to rural America, the oil crises of the 1970s, and the transnational relocation of plants beyond American borders reshaped the economic, social, and technical character of America’s “industry of industries” and ultimately contributed to the deindustrialization of urban America
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http://www.autolife.umd.umich.edu/Labor/L_Overview/L_Overview8.htm
Like I’ve said before, we complain about lying politicians all the time, but when one actually tells us the truth he gets penalized for it. And you wonder why they lie?
“(AmWay – quit p-o Clark. You keep making him mad and hurting his feelings by attacking Hillary!!!)”
Max, you ignorant slut – I have been an Obama supporter since Springfield. I have never supported Hillary’s White House bid.
MaxGrobnik Posted April 14, 2008 at 2:09 pm |
And I know some Republican snowbirds who voted Democrat in 2 states!
And here I thought it was the Democrats who were responsible for all the voeter fraud in the nation. It’s nice to see the Republicans finally confess to the REAL culprits.
It’s astounding, really.
Barack Obama commits a so-called “gaffe” (”gaffe” being defined as a politician unwittingly telling the truth) and out of the WE Blog cyberverse com a slew of posters who cling to their weapons and grasp for their “savior” and condemn him for noticing!
The poster formerly known as “Nathan” can’t help himself from accusing anyone who doesn’t share his theology of being a heretic.
The poster formerly known as “Max” has this fetish about guns. (I really think he fantasizes about President Hillary Clinton dodging his sniper fire as she storms his porch hell-bent to confiscate his personal arsenal.)
“Bitter?!”
They’re beyond “bitter” to the brink of bat-s#it crazy. Or past.
THIS is why I am glad we still have 2 viable candidates for nomination. And monitoring the right as I do, I have to tell you that the coming days will not be easy for Obama and not just because of this incident. That’s all I will say.
Of course, I am known to have my difficulties with Senator Obama. But it is not my job to further tear him down here.
Though I took some offense to what he said, there is a certain amount of truth in it for SOME people.
It’s astounding, really.
Not really. Obama’s observations were remarkably similar to the kinds of things Thomas Frank observed in What’s the matter with Kansas? . It’s precisely why the neocons won elections for so long:
And then think of the political changes that this sappy stuff has helped to sell: Privatization. Deregulation. Monopolies in every industry from banking to radio to meatpacking. The destruction of the welfare state. The beatdown of the labor movement. The transformation of the Midwest into the rust belt. And, shimmering in the heavens above all this, the rise of a new plutocracy, a class of overlords so taken with their own magnificence that they are moved to compare themselves to the Almighty.
What we are observing, then, is a populist movement that has done irreversible harm to the material interests of the common people it professes to love so tenderly-a form of class animosity that rages against a shadowy “elite” while enthroning a new aristocracy of bankers, brokers, and corporate thieves.
http://www.tcfrank.com/wmk.html
Thus, if Obama gets the nod, count on it being used over and over, with frequent reminders that he was in Sodom-by-the-bay (San Francisco) at the time.
The whole thing people are talking about is WHAT he said and not if it is TRUE. In many cases from my own family experience, I can tell you what he said is true.
There are many people in small towns that are exactly as he described. They saw the town business go and then all the young people left and they are angry and bitter about what has happened to a once prospering town and a way of life that they knew.
When a major business leaves a small town, it is devastating to the town. In a city like Wichita, if Cessna closes up shop, it would put a ding in the city and its economy but other employers would absorb the Cessna workers in time.
But if that happens in a small town, there is no other business to absorb such a loss. And the people that live there and worked in the business often become angry and they often become angry at the wrong people.
They will often turn to the right wing and embrace the very Republicans that are often responsible for their misery! And they will blame- as an uncle of mine did- the “New York Jews” for the closing of a smelter in Blackwell Oklahoma. Others will blame blacks, Mexicans, immigrants, gays or “city slicker money grabbers”.
And I can tell you from personal experience that it is a waste of time to try and reason with such folks. I have tried. They ought to blame the Republicans and their robber barron CEOs who are raping them and the rest of us every stinking day.
People in many small towns are friendly but there is a large number of them that deeply distrust anybody different than they are. They don’t think anymore of a fellow American from NYC or LA than they do Al Quaeda. They see both as a threat to them. And they do cling to guns, flags and Bibles.
Talk about blowing something out of proportion and all of nothing, this is the grand pubah of dumb things the republicans have used. It’s shameful to even give this time. Rhonda Holman prefers a man who called his wife a C*NT, in public. Why isn’t the media talking about that little gem?
“”"I know a lot of Kansans, Democrat and Republican, who are bitter and angry about Bush’s misbegotten war, Bush’s recession, and Bush’s misfeasance, nonfeasance and malfeasance in office. How is it that Obama’s use of the word “bitter” has drawn more attention that John McCain calling his wife a “*unt?””"”
McCain called his wife WHAT??? If he did this, why haven’t we heard a word on the news about it?? I bet if Obama called his wife that, it would be all over TV! It is obvious TV news is behind McCain!
Rhonda Holman prefers a man who called his wife a C*NT, in public. Why isn’t the media talking about that little gem?
Heh, I hereby request a thread, editors!
“”"I am sooooo bitter that I went and clinged to my church yesterday.
And today, I’m going to the gun shop and cling to some more guns.
Deciding what gun to cling to. Maybe a:
SKS?
MAK?
AR-15?
10-gauge (3 trigger side-by-side!)?
Mini-14?
Probably take my pick-up so I can haul em all!!! And get plenty of ammo too!!!
Happiness for us rednecks is CLINGING to a warm gun!”"”
Don’t forget the Moon Pies!
sorry…Queen of the Red Trolls.
Now that I’ve paid my federal taxes and am feeling so frustrated by the lack of federal government services in return, I must likely resort to the traditional Midwestern compensatory actions emphasized by candidate Obamanation. My questions are, which semi-automatic weapons are best for clinging to, and which Kansas shooting ranges have the best Bible-thumping sessions, and where are the volunteer border patrol agent applications?
Parkay, are you bitter about not getting enough government handouts OR bitter about the government taking too much out of your paycheck?
pukanation is upset because we aren’t killing enough non-Christians in Iraq to satiffy his lust for non-believers blood.
“Every smart Democrat knows that Obama just stepped in it.
Ask a smart Democrat”
Franklin I am a smart Republican I see no such thing unless like MSNBC “Road to the White House” you too think that Obama is too smart and the American voters only want a Dumb candidate!
AmericanWay I usual find you insightful but how it the world you misunderstood what he said. He was spot on about how small town America reacts to the feelings of being bitter, disillusioned and powerless. Obama was saying that is what many in the small towns find comfort in and feel empowered by as their world seem to be out of their hands.
People if you have not figured it out by now and still not angry enough to finally tell them enough is enough! The Fooking media is play us all, they like the politicians think of the American voter as not very smart and easy to fool. The Wright thing has turn out more Media made than the reality of the remarks. Not only have I now watched the unedited version of the “Chickens coming home to roost” Video but also the “God damn America” video. What we are seeing on all the main stream Media outlet has been edited and out of contexts. The chicken remark Wright is quoting a formal U.S. Ambassador whom was on Fox News within a few days of 9-11. The GD America is at the end of a sermon about how after the Government treated not just Blacks but poor white, Indians and Asians.
Everyone is still expected to sing “God bless America” and wonder why bad things happens to the country. When in reality it should be “God damned America” because of how we have treated others. So why has not this all been exposed by some media outlet?
Could be that they would have to admit to either being lazy and just copying Fox. Or they themselves saw the way to fool us. It come back to that ole saying “What you are going to believe your lying eyes or what I tell you to believe?”
You’ll have to forgive me for not crying for you Parkay, I had my gas shut off today. the only reason that my internet is still running is because they simply haven’t shut it off yet. We’re drowning, and all because you vote for republicans.
If you find my attitude to be less than stellar as of late, it’s because I’m crying half the damn time. I’m thinking about selling the home I love and moving closer to my husband’s work just so we can make it.
We can’t even run our business anymore. I’m just crushed.
Max,
Por Que? is bitter because the constitution doesn’t allow him to impose his interpretation of the bible on all of us.
Small town America, Bitter and Red.
Mmmmm: songbird disappears just as registration kicks in. Now whom could she have been; whoever, she could have a scribbling career.
What’s not true about what he said?
Exactly, Annie.
The truth hurts, doesn’t it, folks?
Predestined (Pre) aka RD
I do need to say this.
Obama’s biggest enemy is a toss up between his political naivete and his own big mouth.
While I don’t have a huge problem with this latest, politically it is very damaging.
Obama supporters should be grateful that it is only damaging in favor of Senator Clinton and not Senator McCain.
But this latest, as with other Obama gaffes, was just a jaw dropper.
Today, Obama went further.
The “Annie Oakley sixgun” bit he went on about Senator Clinton.
How very juvenile and offensive. This time my jaw didn’t drop. My back went up.
Maybe it is time for a thread about how Obama is helping to get John McCain elected?
I cannot for the life of me understand why the media does not jump all over John McCain for what we said he said as hard as they did for the Barrack Obama for what he really said.
I am a Democrat.
Manufactured outrage over nothing . . . again.
Meanwhile, John McInsane says “we may have to be in Iraq for 100 years.”
Nothing to see here . . .
Enjoy Hillary while you can, BlueJay.
She’s a dead pol walking.
After North Carolina and Oregon, it’ll be over.
She won’t be able to suck down big donor money in her vanity run any longer.
Beber, I know you’re door king AKA cranberry. Don’t troll.
Political_mama
Posted April 14, 2008 at 6:44 pm | Permalink
“You’ll have to forgive me for not crying for you Parkay, I had my gas shut off today. the only reason that my internet is still running is because they simply haven’t shut it off yet. We’re drowning, and all because you vote for republicans.”
Sorry to hear that. I don’t spend much time on the blog unless I see an item that interest me.
What is your situation that was caused by Repubicans?
The issue with Obama’s statement is not so much the “bitter” remark per se – lots of people are bitter about one thing or another, though it’s not exactly a reflection of politics of hope to stress that. The problem is that he says they “cling to” things like religion because they are bitter. A lot of people resent that, because their religious beliefs are something they hold dear, not something they accept as being result of bitterness. See Mickey Kaus on the topic.
well the people sure don’t cling to the truth, that’s obvious. But John Stewart’s commentary on that was perfect.
How did republicans create this recession? By ignoring all the warning signs of the big oil sap on households, businesses, driving costs up, not to mention people losing their homes.
My house payments have not changed, I didn’t get a flexible rate mortgage. It’s the OTHER stuff that is killing us.
Funny stuff here. The obama folks seem content to whistle past the graveyard on his comments. No big deal, nothing to see, move along please.
This may not be a big deal in the primary, but if you think obama wont have problems with this, and wright, and mcclurkin in the general…
…. I want what YOU are smoking!
Deny ’till ya die. It’s the obama way.
BLUEJAY I am really going to get your back up, of the two Clinton is the easiest for Mc Cain to beat.
When put in the situation where the choices would be between Mc Cain and Clinton, its a toss of the coin.
As was put by a pundit, “If people are wanting change, if the match up is between Mc Cain and Clinton than Mc Cain comes out the “change candidate”. But if the match up is between Mc Cain and Obama, than Mc Cain loses.”. Hillary and John are both status quo, you want that only this time for the status quo to be a Democrat. We would still have Iraq, Iran and job loss our country would keep gong down hill. If that is our fate then it would not matter which of the two that is elected. Hillary and John do not know any other way of doing things.
“Obama may be the fulfillment of modern liberalism. Explaining why many working class voters are “bitter,” he said they “cling” to guns, religion and “antipathy to people who aren’t like them” because of “frustrations.” His implication was that their primitivism, superstition and bigotry are balm for resentments they feel because of America’s grinding injustice.
By so speaking, Obama does fulfill liberalism’s transformation since Franklin Roosevelt. What had been under FDR a celebration of America and the values of its working people has become a doctrine of condescension toward those people and the supposedly coarse and vulgar country that pleases them.”
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Insightful column by George Will about the false populism that liberalism has become, typified by Obama’s elitist attitude.
http://townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2008/04/15/barack_obamas_bitter_liberalism?page=full&comments=true
Sorry about your situation, PMom…I’ll keep you in my thoughts. I know how it feels to live day to day and then one thing happens and it all falls apart. You’re not alone..too many people are facing the same thing because of all that’s happened over the last few years.
As far as Obama….he just speaks the truth..even if it’s uncomfortable to hear. It’s true that too many citizens (many from the backwoods and small towns)only care about religion and guns and ignore the really important problems that we’re facing because of Dubya’s “leadership”.
Off to work.
Capn
Sorry I missed your last yesterday.
SOME of us do not have the luxury of all day access to the internet.
Your comment is just added to my take.
Obama is arrogant and elite. His supporters are arrogant and elite.
I begin to feel about them as I do Republicans.
Just TRY winning the election with Mr. hope and change while you throw more and more people under the bus. We can all of us enjoy the Presidency of John McCain.
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