When I was escorting women into the clinics, I was amazed that OR managed to “save” one woman at least 20 times- she was the company rep for a pharmaceutical firm that manufactures birth control pills, and she was leaving samples and literature hopefully to prevent patient return visits. Because she was a woman and went into the clinic and came out again a few minutes later, Troy & crew counted her as a “save” every time she visited.

It probably wasn’t a Gold-medal-winning performance. It probably didn’t sell a lotta books while whoring Conservative America, but it wasn’t bad.

I think he’ll settle for the Bronze……

Not all pro-lifers are caricatures of Randall Terry - the mini-messiah who excoriated Bill Clinton for the very things he’s been rebuked for - in spades.

Or Neal Horsley - someone whose love of bestiality is a match for his current behavior toward women (especially aborting women). In a nutshell, it’s disgusting. And a lot of us no-longer-nubile folks are no fool.

That being said, I’ve been hateful too. And I shall likely be hateful again. But it’s difficult - if not possible - for me to equate our Governor with my own rapist. It’s equally impossible for me to put Dr. Tiller on a par with someone who loves to brainwash his slaves into flying oversized, over-fueled planes into several extra-large buildings.

I must confess - I do not understand the vitriol of some individuals. With other individuals, it’s par for the course. That’s what made “Humanae Vitae” so agonizing for so many (myself included). The late Pope Paul VI’s eloquence and intelligence are a far cry from Matt Trewhella’s spewings on the same subject. Thus, it couldn’t be dismissed outright.

I do not and will not approve of hatred, screaming, yelling, coercing or condemning of aborting women. I cannot disapprove of passion - or conviction - or Christian fellowship.

Yes, I’ve been bilious. Many times. Last month, I was dining with a resident of my apartment building. I made up a joke about the bleached blonde harridan who’s fond of condemning 9/11 widows and failed presidential candidates whose wife is terminally ill with cancer. I can’t really repeat it here - suffice it to say, it had something to do with an ob/gyn not of our nation. And something Bruce Lee probably consumed from time to time ‘fore he crossed our shores. And, of course, with the scrawny skank whose miniskirts could probably fertilize an entire terrorist training camp.

I’m not a saint. Likely never will be. Not when there are scum like this in our atmosphere.

Here’s the funny thing: There were NO pictures of the same women leaving the clinic apparently no longer pregnant. Just going in.

Here’s the even funnier thing: One of the pictures given as “evidence” is of one of the clinic’s staffers. She showed up at the hearing, still pregnant. I hear she’s due sometime this month.

So much for “evidence.”

I am pro-choice, but there are people and viewpoints on the “pro-life” (put in quotation marks because I don’t think “pro-life” is as simple as some of its advocates make it out to be, but I do prefer to address advocates of a view by their own preferred terminology when possible) who I greatly, greatly respect. People who put their work and their personal lives where their mouths are.

However, the people who verbally assault women on their way to a clinic, or behave as parkay does on these threads are not among the\ose “pro-life” people who I respect.

http://www.maggotpunks.com

Go to the FFF section.

Given parkay’s monomania on the topic and his demonizatiion of anyone who disagrees with him, I would not be surprised to find out that Doug and parkay have actually met in front of Tiller’s clinic.

I wonder if Parkay is already profiled on your website.

This is the far right wing of your republican party pushing this nonsense. Moderates, take back your party please!

And of course the lies I’ve read here are so downright sad, pathetic, and desperate. We know they did this just knowing that they’ll try to use it against Sebelius. I sure hope the voters realize what game they’re playing and it backfires fiercly.

We could have a democratic sweep of the state in the upcoming election. We vote out the right rights, and they just keep setting them up to be beaten down again. The Right never learns.

Same principle… ProChoice MEANS ProChoice!!

Simple…

Heh Heh, pro-choice is not pro-abortion.

Ok, just call it pro-bashthebabyintheheadwith scissors then, if that makes you FEEL better about what you support.

Abortion by any other name is still abortion.
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. . . and Max by any other name is still a useless waste of biomass.

Yep, Max, some of us are actually smart enough and compassionate enough to realize that a difficult decision for a woman is best left to the woman, not some lame brained politician.

Pro-choice means just that - a woman has a choice as to dealing with HER pregnancy.

I would LOVE to see you post where ANY pro-choice advocate came out in favor of abortion as the first choice.

Come on, Max, you are such a hot shot researcher - I bet you can find something where a pro-choice advocate suggested that women CHOOSE abortion.

Go for it……………………………

Ok, just call it pro-bashthebabyintheheadwith scissors then, if that makes you FEEL better about what you support.

Abortion by any other name is still abortion.

Looks to me like Tom is Spot On with his observations… Maaybe you need to go back and read what YOU wrote earlier??

“You are sure that abortionists are saints, so you want to discount any eyewitness account of what takes place. You want no laws to regulated the abortion practice.”
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Paul you know NOTHING of what I think about abortionists… or what laws I may or may not want… What gives you any RIGHT to post this BS, when you know NOTHING!!!

How do I know this??? Because I have never TOLD you what I think of those things!!

It is called LYING to say that you know something about what I think on a subject, when you absolutely, positively, DO NOT KNOW!!

I will accept apologies later :-)

“Actually, it is the “pro choice” crowd that looks hypocritical, when you say that the “choice” belongs to the minor child — UNLESS SHE WANTS TO KEEP THE BABY!” [Econ101]

MY response to that is SHOW ME ANYBODY IN THE PRO CHOICE CROWD THAT WOULD OBJECT TO THE FEMALE KEEPING HER BABY??

Now, I dont know what the hell NOW, or NARAL, or any of the others has to do with what you posted??? IN short, NOTHING to do with what you posted, and what I responded!!

PLEASE READ What I Post, before you go off on your tangents??? PLEASE???

Now go run off for your walk, and refuse to admit that you are FULL OF CRAP!!!”
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It is NOT illegal.
Show me where any law prevents a parent from giving sedatives to a minor child. There might well have been a prescription. I only know that the girl in question needed the help of 3 people to get out of the car and into a wheelchair. She was drugged!
You are going off on a tangent, Chas.
You are sure that abortionists are saints, so you want to discount any eyewitness account of what takes place.
You want no laws to regulated the abortion practice.
However, when someone tells you what was witnessed, at Tillers, you wonder why the police were not called to enforce a law you will not let us pass in the first place?

There were two days of abortion hearings in August.

There were two days of abortion hearings in September.

There were two days of abortion hearings in November.

There were abortion hearings in January.

There were two days of abortion hearings in February.

There were abortion debates on the House floor in March.

There was an abortion debate on the floor of the Senate last week.

In NONE of those hearings or debates, which were almost completely controlled by YOUR side, was there any mention of or any evidence provided for ANY coerced abortion other than the one claimed by Michelle Armesto-Berg. If you have evidence of something else, where were you? You know where the Statehouse is. You know the Operation Rescue people, the KFL people, the Catholic Conference people; they were all there at those hearings and debates, and you could have handed your evidence over to them.

I’m sure there will be more abortion hearings starting in August again. Present your evidence. Make your case. Otherwise, I’ll continue to call the radical “conservative” charge of “coerced abortions” what it is: A lie.

Have a nice day.