It doesn’t sound like another Filegate, but the State Department said Friday that the passport files of Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain had been breached by multiple employees, not all of whom have been canned. Why not? Never mind the invasion of privacy and apparent violation of department policy. If employees, contract or otherwise, have time to check out presidential candidates’ passport files, they have too much time on their hands.
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So much for the federal government’s vaunted “privacy concerns.”
The difference as I understand it, is in the case with Hillary Clinton it was a trainer/ trainee. The trainer told the trainee to put a random name in suggesting mother’s name into the system. But the trainee instead put “Hillary Clinton” and once the trainer noticed, the trainee was scolded and was backed out of the system.
With Obama and Mc Cain the breaches was more covert and at least with Obama more then once.
These were contract employees. from an outside source and that is a security breach in and of itself when given access to restricted areas and data. It is foolhardy whether a Governmental agency or a private agency to do this. How secure would your money be at a bank whom hired from Man-Power and gave the temp access to the main vault?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filegate
Read this and discover why the Bush administration acts as it does in it’s relationship with Congress.
Sarah – so Bush’s excuse is “I think someone else did it so I’ll do it too”? I don’t accept that from my grandchildren and I don’t accept that excuse from BushCo.
Actually, in this instance it was probably just stupid curiousity on the part on contractors. Perhaps the biggest lesson here is the danger of all this out-sourcing.
Another good reason not to privatize parts of government agencies.
No Ben. The Clinton Whitehouse cooperated with Congress and it brought nothing but grief; the Bush Whitehouse illegally stonewalls, and this only serves their interests.
In other words what the Bush Whitehousle learned from the Clinton investigations is that the best course is to not cooperate at all.
See Jane run.
Since most of the government is a gaggle of blithering incompetents, if some underling contractors can breach these files, I have to ask who else is nosing through my personal information.
>Sarah Bellum Posted March 22, 2008 at 7:53 am | Permalink
In other words what the Bush Whitehousle learned from the Clinton investigations is that the best course is to not cooperate at all.<
That’s hitting the nail on the head. Congratulations.
Let’s see, one employee – a contract employee does something perhaps illegal and an entire administration is blamed.
I saw a dog peeing on a tree the other day, I think all four legged mammals should be killed.
This is the reaction of the radical left – assign projection beyond the scope of what is called for.
The left specializes in hate mongering and they’re good at it.
Their momma’s should be proud.
Gee I guess Secy State Rice is now a Liberal Leftist… what breaking news!! ROFL!!
Ohhh Now Gingrich is a Liberal too, claiming his great disapproval of the lack of security in the passport case… calling for an investigation as well… LOTS of liberal leftists out there, eh, Regular??? LOL
Keep on spinning boy!!
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Chas.
Posted March 22, 2008 at 8:58 am | Permalink
Gee I guess Secy State Rice is now a Liberal Leftist… what breaking news!! ROFL!!
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What a nitwit.
I was talking about the Radical left assigning blame to every person UP and DOWN the line in an administration if something goes wrong. The Radical Left will even blame some old retired farmer who lives in central Nebraska just because he votes with an (R) at the ballot box when it comes to election time.
Assigning blame outside the scope of a single operation is as pathetic as was your (cough) analysis Chas.
Kind of like when Radical Left Libs calls people Nazis and Racists.
No other motive other than hate mongering.
Well. This is about the only thing interesting to happen at State in the two years of Rice’s tenure. Not much of a track record.
Back in the Clinton White House days, one question was never really answered:
Who Hired Livingstone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy
Most likely, Livingstone reported to Hillary.
I wonder how many busybodies are out there throughout our government. The candidates are just highly visible examples – who get the attention.
What about the average Joe like me?
Are employees at the IRS looking up their friends, enemies, famous people, movie stars, local politicians for FUN?
Dept of Agriculture?
INS?
Homeland Security?
NSA?
CIA?
DOE?
Maybe we should be concerned about the whole rotten big brother structure out there.
AmWay,
Well, given the Bush Administration’s concerted effort to push career folks out and bring political hacks (i.e. Monica Gooding, etc) in, then yes, we SHOULD.
Ahhh you mean like Amway just did Regular?? ROFLMAO!!!
Econ — Nothing illegal was found… no arrests made… non-story there… Check out something else besides Wiki
From Econ’s link >>>>
“Allegations were made that senior White House figures, including First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, may have requested and read the files for political purposes,[1] and that the First Lady had authorized the hiring of the underqualified Livingstone.[6] The matter was investigated by the Whitewater Independent Counsel, who found in 2000 that there was no criminal activity by anyone in the matter,[7] and that there was no credible evidence that senior White House figures or the First Lady had requested the files or had acted improperly or testified improperly regarding Livingstone’s hiring.[7]“
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Chas.
Posted March 22, 2008 at 9:27 am | Permalink
Ahhh you mean like Amway just did Regular?? ROFLMAO!!!
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Not quite Chas.
Amway actually made an intelligent point about the ’system’ we have brought ourselves into which identifies every mole and freckle on our person.
He didn’t attack anyone specifically or blame anyone because he correctly identified the failure as one of systematic flaw.
In other words, Amway actually put some thought into the problem instead of finger pointing and wobbling his head around like a bobble doll like some posters do here.
Who Hired Livingstone?
you’re the kind of guy who says…
look up in the sky, and picks that person’s pocket.
Chas
There was no EVIDENCE because they couldnt get anyone to remember anything, on the record.
Tell me Chas, the Clinton White House “expert” —
1.) Who hired Livingstone, the man who illegally obtained all of these records?
2.) Who did Livingstone report to, in the White House?
“Sorry, I can’t recall” Hillary Clinton.
“Let’s see, one employee – a contract employee does something perhaps illegal and an entire administration is blamed.”
well, who’s in charge then ??
“I have to ask who else is nosing through my personal information.”
i think we all know the answer to that question by now.
bush cheney rove.
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exile
Posted March 22, 2008 at 9:37 am | Permalink
“Let’s see, one employee – a contract employee does something perhaps illegal and an entire administration is blamed.”
well, who’s in charge then ??
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A National Park Ranger fails to properly oversee some contractors responsible for keeping toliet facilities clean and stocked with toliet paper.
The National Park Ranger is a Federal Employee.
So by your logic exile, we should blame the President of the United States.
nitwit
“There was no EVIDENCE because they couldnt get anyone to remember anything, on the record.”
funny how when there’s NO evidence, it’s always a cover up by the clinton whitehouse.
maybe you should try to remember… hey, it’s 2008.
it’s hard to move foreward when you live in the past.
but then, facing the reality of bush might be too much for you to think about… huh ??
A National Park Ranger fails to properly oversee some contractors responsible for keeping toliet facilities clean and stocked with toliet paper.
The Radical Left will even blame some old retired farmer who lives in central Nebraska just because he votes with an (R) at the ballot box when it comes to election time.
I saw a dog peeing on a tree the other day, I think all four legged mammals should be killed.
aahhh
life is so simple for the simple minded.
shouldn’t fedral employees spend their time doing something productive…
like watching the ncaa games on their computers ??
“i think we all know the answer to that question by now. bush cheney rove.”
exile, please don’t limit your mind to talking about people.
This issue is far bigger than Bush or and/all of his administration, or Clinton and her FBI files. There are over three million federal employees. Many of them work in one area or another with access to our personal data.
Access should be limited to need-to-know. We have key stroke technology and database security technology to limit access and RECORD unauthorized access.
This should be a federal crime to include SELLING our personal data.
AmWay
Agreed. This is serious stuff and the hack employees who try to find out personal information, for curiosity, for sale to the tabloids, or for political purposes should be dealt with harshly.
However, Rhonda even says that “this is no Filegate” — by that I assume that there is NO evidence, this time, that anyone in the Bush White House was involved.
“by that I assume that there is NO evidence, this time, that anyone in the Bush White House was involved.”
wow
this must be a first.
Econ101
Posted March 22, 2008 at 9:55 am | Permalink
However, Rhonda even says that “this is no Filegate” — by that I assume that there is NO evidence, this time, that anyone in the Bush White House was involved.
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What do you call the State Department? A wing of the EU?!? Last I checked State Sec Rice reports directly to Augustus Stupidus.
That would seem to put the Bush White House front and center, no?
:lol:
You guys kill me. You will lower the standards absolutely as low as they have to go before you’ll hold Bush responsible for anything.
Where does the buck stop in the Bush White House?
“Where does the buck stop in the Bush White House?”
With Bill Clinton of course! EVERYTHING is Clinton’s fault in their eyes!
Oh wait, I probably misunderstood. By “Bush White House” Econ meant “only Bush family members,” right?
So Bush administration ? Bush White House, right?
:lol:
‘?’ = ‘/=’
If the intrusion goes no higher than just the individual, who let curiosity or a whim get the best of them, then no big deal. If they were snooping for a higher up or for a political party then this needs investigated.
It’s OK for the Clinton’s to have 1,000 FBI files in the White House for their personal review.
Looking at 3 Passport records, not OK?
Phantom, this needs to be investigated period.
Once the investigation reveals the purpose (the why) the data was accessed, control measures can be developed to prevent it happening again. If we need stiff laws to criminalize intrusion into Americans personal lives – get er done!
Logically thought about, there would be zero reason for the White House to want to know the passport files in the State Department of Obama, Hillary and McCain.
More than likely, it was just a dufus act by a single individual.
Or, it was an act by an individual who wished to make some money on three political candidates.
Max,
“Then there were the 500 FBI files (330 of which were republican party members), including the file of former CIA Director Bob Gates, that landed inside the Clinton White House and the missing Whitewater files that disappeared down a wormhole in the D.C. universe, then somehow materialized again inside Hillary’s reading room.
Clinton pardoned his former CIA chief John Deutch after top secret documents were found on his home computer. Never mind the porno also found on Deutch’s computer, which he blamed on his teenage kid. ”
All of this is systematic to my broader concern about access/need-to-know.
And once again, the bigger issue is lost during the finger pointing. Exactly as our politicians want us to behave.
Econ says >>>>
“I assume that there is NO evidence, this time, that anyone in the Bush White House was involved.”
Ummmm…. from the beginning of this story, it has been said that these people responsible were employees of independent contractors… And THAT is what I see as the major problem here… If they WERE government employees, then something could be done much quicker…
Another topic:
“Hillary Clinton’s boasts that she gained major foreign policy experience as First Lady have been undermined after 11,046 pages of her White House schedules provided scant evidence to back up her claims.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/19/wclinton119.xml
But apparently, she really did offer coffee and tea to foreign leaders wives.
MAX — Please READ >>>>
“Allegations were made that senior White House figures, including First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, may have requested and read the files for political purposes,[1] and that the First Lady had authorized the hiring of the underqualified Livingstone.[6] The matter was investigated by the Whitewater Independent Counsel, who found in 2000 that there was no criminal activity by anyone in the matter,[7] and that there was no credible evidence that senior White House figures or the First Lady had requested the files or had acted improperly or testified improperly regarding Livingstone’s hiring.[7]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy
ALSO — The files reviewed by the White House that Max references, were Personnel Files… NOT PRIVATE PASSPORT INFORMATION documents…
Sorry Chas,
That doesn’t explain how the files ending up the personal quarters of the Clinton’s White House.
When the subject of the investigation is a trained liar, a Clinton, and also a lawyer – they tend to be difficult to prosecute.
But it was still wrong.
Chas,
There is much more at stake if I had your FBI file, or personnel file – than your stupid passport.
Spoken by one of the lefts own:
“Geffen, the left-wing media mogul, told New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd that “Everybody in politics lies, but [the Clintons] do it with such ease, it’s troubling.” He said a lot more that was derogatory specifically to Hillary Clinton, but that’s the key statement since Geffen is obviously referring to both Clintons. After all, it was Hillary who enabled Bill’s lies time and again. Now, America is being told — and by a former Clinton benefactor no less — that there’s more where that came from.
Geffen’s shot across the bow, with its huge media echo chamber, reminds folks what it was like when the Clintons were in the White House. Geffen has single-handedly pried the lid off the rusty old can of Clinton lies, reminding voters of what will happen if this truth-challenged couple ever returns to the Oval Office.
Does the American electorate want to go through this all over again? Have we forgotten the lies?”
nationalreview.com
Pendant
In the Clinton “file gate” situation, the orders were made, in the White House, and, read carefully:
THE FBI FILES WERE IN THE WHITEHOUSE!
And, this time, it was contract labor who did not respect privacy, and no political motive has been detected.
Big diff.
Go Google the simple phrase “Bill Clinton lies.” When I do so, this is what I quickly turn up (and from various sources):
” — Clinton lied under oath to a Federal Grand Jury. (That’s perjury, of course, and perjury remains a felony.)
— Clinton continues to lie about his 12-year affair with Gennifer Flowers.
— Clinton still denies he sexually harassed Paula Jones. (Even though he paid her $850,000 in hush money.)
— Clinton persists in dismissing the Whitewater scandal as a “land deal where I lost money.” (Despite the fact that a dozen of his close associates landed in jail over the matter.)
— Clinton illegally obtained FBI files on his political opponents, and lied about that, too.
— On the golf course, Clinton has an incredibly difficult time playing his ball where it lies. According to close observers (Tiger Woods among them), Clinton exhibits questionable math when he tallies his scorecard.
— And according to Washington Post reporter John Harris, Clinton was so upset about his inability to lose weight in 2000, that following his annual physical he instructed aides to release a bogus number that made him five pounds lighter.”
Well, AmWay, take it up with Kenneth Starr… HE said nothing criminal happened, and no laws were broken!! Dont turn it on ME… I just posted the friggin link!! Cause you guys got it wrong, as usual!!
The Passport Files are important to the THREE candidates for President… And especially since they were hacked by independent contractor employees!!
Our Clinton Scandal Index
The Clintons, to adapt a line from Dr. Johnson, were not only corrupt, they were the cause of corruption in others. Yet seldom in America have so many come to excuse so much mendacity and malfeasance as during the Clinton years. Here are some of the facts that have been buried.
RECORDS SET
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
* According to our best information, 40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. A reader computes that there was a total of 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned. A key difference between the Clinton story and earlier ones was the number of criminals with whom he was associated before entering the White House.
http://prorev.com/legacy.htm
As Capn America would say, “Worst President Ever”
AmWay — What does ANY of your post have to do with the subject of this thread?? Can you attempt to at least stay on point??? For a change???
This Passport BS is another diversion from discussing the Issues.
Just when Clinton and Obama are at each others throats, they get a little break before the weekend.
That is all.
Chas ignores the obvious. The files were found in the personal quarters of Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Very, very few people have access to these quarters.
Well Monica did, but I guess Hillary invited her
(twelve times).
The point is Chas, which you are not going to get anyway is that the Clinton’s have a proven track record of telling lies. Even under oath.
How difficult is it to see the shrugged shoulders by Hillary and Bill after the files were found inside their HOME, to be liars again.
Chas
Nobody EVER declares anyone “innocent” — you are “assumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” — nobody, therefore, ever declared that the Clinton’s were “innocent” —
However, voters have every right, in fact a duty, to take the dishonesty of the Clintons into account.
Did Hillary watch, like McGreevey’s wife did?
I mean, Hillary was in the White House at the same time that Lewinsky was licking her way to fame.
Max,
Did she participate?
Yes AmWay, stay on topic.
This is a God Blog.
Maybe she held the light or something.
Mrs. Clinton is mentioned 36 times in the fraud indictment against Webster Hubbell. …
Watch, the Dems will start calling Republicans “puritanical” after going off about Republican sex scandals prior to the last election.
Leno said something funny last night, I can’t remember exactly how it went.
Hubbell died before he could lie, didn’t he?
Berger, who was national security adviser during President Clinton’s second term, said in a statement Monday that the removal of the papers was unintentional.
He said he returned everything he had after the National Archives told him documents were missing, “except for a few documents that apparently I had accidentally discarded.”
In a brief statement to reporters Tuesday night, Berger said that while reviewing documents last year he “made an honest mistake. It is one that I deeply regret.”
Law enforcement sources said archive staff members told FBI agents they saw Berger placing items in his jacket and pants, and one archive staffer told agents that Berger also placed something in his socks…………….”
Samuel Berger says he made an honest mistake. (CNN)
Jail McCain:
The McCain campaign has now spent $58 million – that’s $8 million more than they were supposed to spend under the public financing laws. McCain registered for the public financing system, used the promise of public funds as collateral for a $4 million loan and used his participation in the public financing system as a way to avoid spending millions of dollars getting on the ballot in states like Ohio.
Under the law that McCain helped write, that puts him in jeopardy for a criminal conviction, fines and up to 5 years in jail.
At least Bush waited till he got in office to start ignoring laws Congress passed.
Posted by Kevin on another forum.
And so, both sides can participate in finger pointing and measuring to see who has the biggest dick…….
But the point of all of this is that if these highly visible citizens can have the personnel information accessed AND access is granted to POLITICAL positions,
all of us are vulnerable.
It is not just a couple of clerks working in the passport offices we need to worry about…
BTW, anyone know the latest on the Clintons releasing their tax information like all the other candidates have?
What’s the latest on the Clinton Library releasing the other information?
The McCain campaign has now spent $58 million – that’s $8 million more than they were supposed to spend under the public financing laws.
since when did mccain start to obey laws ??
just another criminal.
bushIII
“- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly”
yawn
btw, your an idiot.
Econ101
Posted March 22, 2008 at 10:50 am | Permalink
Pendant
In the Clinton “file gate” situation, the orders were made, in the White House, and, read carefully:
THE FBI FILES WERE IN THE WHITEHOUSE!
And, this time, it was contract labor who did not respect privacy, and no political motive has been detected.
Big diff.
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:lol:
Who the hell cares WHERE the files were? White House, Schmight House, if Exec personnel broke the law they broke the law. Geography ain’t got nothin’ to do with it.
I think what you mean is “lawbreaking only counts if you are a Democrat.”
Not too surprising, actually, for the current members of the Party of Lincoln. Just more moral relativism from the party of moral “absolutes.”
Speaks well of yourself exile.
At least I am smart enough to post an opinion.
Any child can respond as you do.
bush is a criminal
remember clinton
bush invaded the wrong country
remember clinton
bush killed 4,000 american kids so far
remember clinton
gas is over 3 bucks
remember clinton
obl is still alive
remember clinton
the economy is in shambles
remember… you repukes are kinda redundant
American Way
Posted March 22, 2008 at 11:21 am | Permalink
Speaks well of yourself exile.
At least I am smart enough to post an opinion.
Any child can respond as you do.
i will grown up.
you will remain an idiot.
Clinton’s history is relevant because one of them is running for President. In fact, Hillery herself is running on the “MOST EXPERIENCE” billboard.
That being the case, their experience is open to public review and comment.
BTW, anyone reading the thread will see that from my first post, I said those gaining access to our personal information should be held accountable.
It is a concern to me, regardless of party. An investigation and study of all breaches of personal information could lead to tighter controls. And punishment.
AmWay, Hillary Clinton campaigned on the promise of Transparency in Government.
Since she will not releast her tax returns, she proves that she is a LIAR like her husband.
IF Hillary releases her tax returns, she will NOT release anything but 2007.
2006 has some $10 million in income from the Dubai partnership. You know, the millions the Clintons are getting from the Middle East.
“We need a return to transparency and a system of checks and balances, to a president who respects Congress’s role of oversight and accountability.”
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/reform/
One of Hillary’s Big Promises! Where is that transparency in Government? Release your Tax Returns Hillary!
LIAR!
How secure would your money be at a bank whom hired from Man-Power and gave the temp access to the main vault?
Wow, only 11:30 Wichita time and already 78 posts.
I’ll only say that I agree with writerdog and ksdude. It only follows, though, that state department functions would be outsourced, and the Bush regime is hand-and-hand with the corporate greed machine that is outsourcing everything else. National security! Ha! That’s always been nothing more than a bogus political tool
for this crowd.
This would also be an all-too-easy way to provide the every popular “plausible denialability” to more nefarious, deliberate spying. Just sayin’.
By the way, here’s the webpage for one the contractors (I forgot the other)–it includes a link to their statement on the breach:
http://www.stanleyassociates.com/
Maybe Hillery meant the transparency revealed by the sperm covering Monica’s blue dress.
” It only follows, though, that state department functions would be outsourced,”
Like keeping expensive government employees on the tax rolls will ensure integrity to government?
Hasn’t worked yet.
Oh, holy crap! Stanley Inc.’s contract was just renewed on March 17!
Going to practice my 2nd Amendment rights at the target range!
Shhhhh, don’t tell the Wife, I got the new XD 45!
Gotta try it out!
Max
Posted March 22, 2008 at 11:32 am | Permalink
Since she will not releast her tax returns, she proves that she is a LIAR like her husband.
IF Hillary releases her tax returns, she will NOT release anything but 2007.
2006 has some $10 million in income from the Dubai partnership. You know, the millions the Clintons are getting from the Middle East.
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A logician AND a sage: a multitasker.
FYI, the only thing that ever gets “proved” on a blog like this is one’s level of partisanship. You’ve done a pretty good job of proving that yours probably can only be exceeded by your blood pressure if Hillary wins.
MAX — YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN!!
Hillary has already said the Tax Returns will be made public as soon as they are released… She has already put in her “order”
Do you have any idea what is involved in such a thing?? Especially when she and Bill filed jointly, most likely… LOTS of paper work!!
Yes, Hillary will release her tax returns as soon as they are released.
You listen to yourself much Chas?
She as already put in her order?
How frickin long does it take for her slave to copy her tax returns and release them?
Hmmm. . .Stanley’s “”Official Company Statement in Response to Passport Files” is producing a blank page. The link indicates that a PDF file was there.
Not sure what to make of that.
SHE doesnt release them MAX — Did you not watch the last debate with her and Obama?? When the question was asked?? She said her First Lady Logs would be released, followed by the Tax returns!!
Yes, Max, I listen to myself… AND I listen to what the LADY SAYS too!! You might try it… would save you embarrassment!!
Bill, go copy my tax returns right now dammit!
How many fricking times do I have to tell you to do that!
Get off Monica and do what I tell you, or I’ll cut those balls off!
MAX — The IRS has to release her returns!!
C’mon, stop your damn flaming!!!
Yeah, pay no attention to that contract extension, Rage.
Don’t you know that outsourcing moves both the work AND the responsibility off the shoulders of government? Even though it was government’s idea to outsource in the first place? :wink:
Off to shoot some 45!
“MAX — The IRS has to release her returns!!”
What. Why would the IRS be the keeper? I keep my own.
Make sure you shoot that thing in the right direction!! ROFL!!! Guess max got proven to be stupid, so he goes off to shoot off his GUN… Hurry now, before Hillary takes it away from you so you wont hurt anybody!! ROFL!!!
You know, Pedant, I see that the Analysis Group–the other contractor–has been providing
For the past 16 years, The Analysis Corporation (TAC) has provided invaluable service to the U.S. Government’s national security effort. Increasingly, and especially since 9/11, TAC has made its most important contribution in the counterterrorism (CT) realm, supporting national watchlisting activities as well as other CT intelligence and analytic efforts. Led by the former head of the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC) and staffed by other former senior officials from the Intelligence Community, TAC is at the forefront of the fight to safeguard U.S. national interests.
I suppose this scandal is probably no more than it appears, but I nonetheless find the connection with the professional spook community a tad chilling.
http://www.theanalysiscorp.com/
HUD — Thats just the way it’s done… You keep your own for YOUR records… But for PUBLIC disclosure, the IRS has to release them… READ PLEASE???
“Thats just the way it’s done…”
Sorry Chas. but that is not the way it is done.
P.S. That Analysis Corp.’s statement is still intact:
http://www.theanalysiscorp.com/docs/dosissue.html
OK HUD — Hillary explained the process in that last debate with Obama when they asked her when she would put out her tax returns… Why dont you go LISTEN to the debate section, instead of attacking ME… I sat here and watched… I heard what she said… I dont need your sorry ass here flaming and baiting and telling me I am wrong, when I know DAMNED WELL that the IRS has to release those returns, at HER request!! GET IT??? YOU ARE JUST WRONG!!
The problem is, Hill-Billy’s requests appear to take an extraordinarily long time to come to the public view.
She’s hoping that the information will be released after she’s elected, then she can claim executive privilege to NOT release the information.
(chortles)
Sounds like Bill Richardson is a fence rider. He was backing Hillary at one time and now he is backing that Obama. What IN THE WORLD IS WRONG WITH RICHARDSON. Richardson back the one that is the smartist and that is Hillary and now he turns his back on Hillary. I am praying for Hillary. We don’t need that Rev. Wright in the White House. Obama is listening to that creep. Obama does not like the white people. Listen and you will find out. His speech made me sick to my stomach.
Every one vote for HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong thread, Wanda.
P.S. “Obama does not like the white people”???? O. . .kay. (quietly backs out of the room)
Chas,
You don’t know what you are talking about. They better check Obama’s TAX returns. Leave Hillary along. You are not very smart.
“He was backing Hillary at one time and now he is backing that Obama”
When was he backing Hillary?
Guess the answer to the question would likely get to the facts of the matter.
“Do you have any idea what is involved in such a thing??”
Not too much time. McClame and Obama have already released theres. Some time ago in fact.
tick tock tick tock….
theres = theirs
This is amazing – the same Republicans that say that it is NOT important why we got into Iraq, yada, yada, get over it, now are rehashing the Clinton presidency.
According to the GOP, it is not important that we got into a trillion dollar war for no good reason, but it is important that we constantly review the Starr Report.
Only in the mind of a Republican is a stained blue dress more important that a war of choice that has cost 4,000 American lives.
And these folks think that they deserve to run the country for four more years…………
But Richardson had come close to endorsing Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York earlier this year, he allowed tonight. Richardson, who served as Energy secretary in Bill Clinton’s administration, had a visitor in Santa Fe not long ago. Bill Clinton came to watch the Super Bowl with him.
“Yes, I was’’ close to endorsing the former first lady, Richardson told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC’s Countdown this evening. “I almost did.’’
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/richardson_nearly_backed_clint.html
Close is not a (ahem) cigar. (Okay, Freudians and Clinton-haters alike, have fun with that one!).
And this thread has gone severely off-topic.
Chas
The IRS does not “release returns”
Candidates, generally, release a copy of what they gave to the IRS.
Chas
The IRS does not “release returns”
Candidates, generally, release a copy of what they gave to the IRS.
Darn it Econ, now you gotta go and confuse him.
The time it takes him to think of a retort, I could have printed my last ten years of 1040’s!!
My take on the whole passport thing: We had a couple of bored idiots with no NCAA games to watch looking for something to do. “Like hey, like let’s – you-know – see where so-and-so traveled!” “You know, like oool, like sounds like fun!”
Fire them. End of story.
P.S. Does anyone care that one of the private contractors examining our passport files also does this stuff?
Increasingly, and especially since 9/11, TAC has made its most important contribution in the counterterrorism (CT) realm, supporting national watchlisting activities as well as other CT intelligence and analytic efforts.
“a couple of bored idiots with no NCAA games to watch looking for something to do”
Probably not Kansas natives. Fire em!
WSClark–
Good point, though you’re two trillion shy of the mark. It’s a three trillion dollar war.
“The Three Trillion Dollar War: The True Cost Of The Iraq Conflict,” by Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes.
Recommended reading for those who want to argue persuasively in the coming election. The writers bring the costs sharply into focus.
Yea, sure, right Econ — And what will YOU and your ilk say when she DOES release them?? You know damned well…. You will say she CHANGED them…. THAT is why she will have them released by IRS, you dumb a$$… Because of people like YOU and AMWAY….
And for that matter, where is a LAW that requires her to release tax returns??? Huh???
And then, this… Once FILED… to whom do the Tax Returns belong??? NOT the copies… but the Returns???
Chas., do me a favor. Call the IRS and tell them you need a past copy of your tax return. Bet you do not get a copy of what you turned in.
They do not keep the form you filed.
Chas
When the bank wants me to give them a copy of my tax return, for a loan, I give them a copy of what I have in MY files.
The IRS will not honor a release to a 3rd Party, other than a law enforcement agency, to the best of my knowledge.
The Clintons are being asked to release a COPY of their returns.
The IRS is not in the habit of “notorizing” or “certifying” tax returns for delivery to a third party.
A photocopy of the returns with a signed letter, stating that the returns are a true representation of what was filed with the IRS, and a promise to provide any documents related to any, future amendments, is usually what is required.
Econ – agreed – also I can just get another copy printed if need be.
Rage,
Whats wrong with you. I said Obama don’t like the white people. It will “not” be America if Obama gets in there. Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wanda – “I said Obama don’t like the white people”
And we don’t believe you.
“I said that Obama don’t like the white people.”
In additional to being grammatically incorrect, that statement is just stupid.
Barack Obama is half white.
You can call Barack many things, but I doubt that he is self-hating.
“In additional = In addition”
Basketball and typing don’t mix well.
Ben, I did say that. That is what i Know. OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“That is what i Know.”
And you know this HOW? He told you? You channeled it? Extrasensory perception?
And, by the way, capitalize the “I” not the “K.”
I said Obama don’t like the white people.
Yes, you did say that. So what? You somehow managed to get this from Obama’s speech? I watched the whole thing, and also read the transcript, long before you posted that rant. He said nothing that even hinted at that.
Okay, I strongly suspect I’ll regret this, but can you produce a single statement out of the man’s mouth that proves what you’re saying? After all, “the white people” includes his own mother.
I fully expect I will get another bald assertion of the form it’s-true-because-I-ssy-it-is in response, proving nothing.
yea sure wanda …
;)
wanda – what if somebody says “Hillary don’t like men”? Would that make it so?
Once a ttax return is FILED, to whom does it belong??m Hmmmm???
Hud
Posted March 22, 2008 at 12:49 pm | Permalink
Chas., do me a favor. Call the IRS and tell them you need a past copy of your tax return. Bet you do not get a copy of what you turned in.
They do not keep the form you filed.
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OK… So, if they dont send me a copy of what I sent in, then where is my signature to prove it’s MINE??
You just want an outcome on this that works for your false premise…
In FACT, I have requested copies of my returns in past years… And IRS DOES send me what I request… (as in for a home loan??) So, you got anything to back up your spinning top???
“For the past 16 years, The Analysis Corporation (TAC) has provided invaluable service to the U.S. Government’s national security effort.”
i think the term “invaluable” should only apply to a corp that can predict events like…
maybe 9-11 for instance.
you know, something useful to our country.
oh, nevermind.
bush wouldn’t pay attention to it if they did.
Well, this ia an unexpected twist: the company responsible for the last breach is run by an Obama advisor, who gave $2300 to his campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/
By the way, I stand by my criticism of outsourcing. While it’s appropriate in some limited circumstances, more often than not it’s bad for both the work and the employees, and is also a nice way to evade accountability.
Regular
Posted March 22, 2008 at 10:30 am | Permalink
Logically thought about, there would be zero reason for the White House to want to know the passport files in the State Department of Obama, Hillary and McCain.
More than likely, it was just a dufus act by a single individual.
Or, it was an act by an individual who wished to make some money on three political candidates
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Looks like my guess was somewhat accurate. :)
Funny how the exact same thing happened in the Bush Sr. administration. The George HW Bush was trying to dig up dirt on Clinton by looking at his passport record, now it happens with Bush Jr.
Chas.
Posted March 22, 2008 at 11:54 am | Permalink
HUD — Thats just the way it’s done… You keep your own for YOUR records… But for PUBLIC disclosure, the IRS has to release them…
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Stupidity, you can’t dream this shit up if you are normal. Takes 1/2 a brain or less.
Oh, and the 45 worked fine! Mighty fine!
Typical attack by Max… Just an attack, and says absolutely NOTHING!! Amazing!!
“— On the golf course, Clinton has an incredibly difficult time playing his ball where it lies. According to close observers (Tiger Woods among them), Clinton exhibits questionable math when he tallies his scorecard.”
Man … I am certain that this is a federal offense that not one single republiCON has ever been guilty of. You clowns provide me with unlimited amounts of laughter. :) I would say thank you, but I think the more charitable thing to do is to ask to learn to think before you post.