When you’re laying on your death bed, it won’t be the CEO of the company you work for that will be holding your hand as you exit this world. Think about it.

I don’t think anyone has any business telling another family what they should or should not do.

Period.

The Mommy Wars are one of the most stupid conflicts imagininable.

Political Mama- You have a right to your opinion and lifestyle. Not everyone agrees that it the right lifestyle. Don;t put down those who disagree with you. My wife doesn;t figure she sold herself short. Neither does my one stay at home daughter, or the going back to work after 6 weeks daughter. Not everyone is you. live with it. Anyway,
You have a great night, however you want to live it

She felt she had the most responsible job in teh world—a parent. You disagree, fine. She doesn;t think she sold herself out at all, and why should she live your your definition?

YOU PAY FOr them, or pay the difference to the medicare plan that does not have a donut hole. Gee, it’s what I did for my father.

Your life, your choice. Your problem. If your life is defined by your work, your have major problems as far as I am concerned.

I only quit working because I had to and THANK GOD I’ve been able to get back out there or I was going to go nuts. I felt I lost my soul.

Who will pay for it.”

My mother? What has that got to do with it. My mother is dead. She spend the last of her years in a nursing home with dementia. She did in fact work the last 10 years of her preretirement age. She didn;t work before. Her choice. Even after the kids were gone. Not every woman has to work outside the home to feel fulfilled.

““you brought them into the world, you should take care of them” LJ, that comment RIGHT THERE, as if YOU have no responsibility in the matter at all. YOU helped bring them into the world, YOU give up your dreams to stay home with them.
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I did take care of them. I went to work at a full time job, I also went to night schools so that when I finished, I could take care of them even better. Of course I had responsibility? What the hell is the matter with you? Did Isay I didn;t? My wife and I mutually agreed that the children were better off if she raised them instead of a babysitter! She didn;t give up any dreams.
And yeah, women going to work and dropping off their babies has consequences too. You’re just too blind to see it.

Who will pay for it.

It DOES matter who has to stay home with the kids, and you know what? If there is a second shift job to work and you can so that the woman can keep her day job, then do it. Then you can both equally be there for the kids sharing equally the duties.

Women dropping out of the workforce to raise their children has CONSEQUENCES even for a brief time. You men have made sure of that.

i have to agree, although getting along at a young age is not necessarily the same as getting along with hormones raging and all the other crap that goes along with that age. Still, I agree.

and prior to 4? Stay at home? or in daycare?

Just curious.

but can anyone without a MBA understand it?

I trust ya, vaughn (and I don’t trust many), I just don’t bother worrying about SS. If it’s still there when I can afford to retire in 50 years (at the age of 101), then I’ll worry about how much I’m not getting.

All that may be true, or not. It depends on the woman and what field she enters. Many, many, jobs have no ladder to ascend. Many, many women who go to work after the years their children are at home (I’m talking pre-K years primarily) will have good retirements, absent the credit for the few years that they did not work. ANd since most people change jobs at least 3 or 4 times intheir working career, many many women and men have no pensions available from those first few years. And I don;t know for sure about SS benefits, but I believe they are capped anyway, after a number of years, and dollars earned, it makes no further difference. ANd as far as fair goes, fairness is when you make the decision, not when someone makes the decision for you. You speak of fair to the women, how about the fairness factor to the children? DO you really believe that they get the same quality of care from a daycare provider? I do not.
Now, to be fair, it probably doesn’t make that much difference, for some For others, it might. The jury is still out. In any case, I support the women’s right to choose who raises their children. I am just tired of the “you just want women pregnant and in the kitchen” attitude that prevails among the most passionate about this issue.

You assume that staying home to raise kids is “giving up everything” What exactly are they giving up?

If the Mom wants to sit a desk and stare at a computer screen all day for a thankless boss, while the male stays home keeping things cleaned up and the kids going, I don’t know of any loving father’s who would object to that!

Heaven forbid there be family unity above personal glory.

:)