Comments on: School boards as smut spotters?

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By: olathe

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By: Jed

Jed — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 10:32:39 +0000

Outie,
I have no problem with believers in any religion- my beef has always been with those who make a bundle off of marketing belief. If there’s such a thing as the lowest circle of hell, I’m fairly sure it’s chock-full o’ televangelists and church hierarchy.
I’m certainly getting old, but I never qualified as hippie- not nearly enough of the required naivete, and I was never much of a drug user.
And I certainly don’t laugh at the STD rate! All I’m saying is that if we still have this much of a problem after 1700+ years of church-mandated abstinence, then it’s time and past to ditch it and try a different approach. Raising three kids and mostly raising three grandkids qualfies me to have an educated opinion on the subject.

By: outlander

outlander — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:34:37 +0000

Victorian morality in the Old West, Jed??

A lot of what you have written is correct but it contains, as always Jed, your misrepresentations and generalizations about the motives of those who believe in God.

It’s interesting that we have old hippies here who supported the sexual revolution, drug use etc…, who now support essentially the same hedonistic, do whatever feels good philosophy. They laugh at the 25% STD rate among teenage girls, BLAMING abstinence education when actually, it is only an attempt at a solution to a problem that they themselves helped create.

By: ksagnostic

ksagnostic — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:13:05 +0000

Jed, I think the access and variety of drugs between “now and then” has greatly increased, particularly among teenagers, the group in question.

But then again as you pointed out, now verses then, look where we were “then”.

Part of the issue, we are dealing with the great baby boomer hangover.

By: Jed

Jed — Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:55:51 +0000

ksag,
Even drug use is not as recent as we like to think- recently an archeology dig at an abandoned 1870’s Nevada mining town turned up loads of old syringes and other opiate paraphernalia. Also, I was regaled many years ago by an old gentleman from Montana who described the strike he winessed as a child in 1910 by miners there when the company pharmacy ran out of cocaine.
Of course I also saw a collection of company tokens used to pay miners in Colorado that were redeemable at the local houses of ill repute. Madams often paid the companies for exclusive rights to the workers. So much for Victorian morality.

By: ksagnostic

ksagnostic — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:38:41 +0000

Well done on the historical analysis of STD’s and our history with them. One of the key points, as well as the complex interaction of factors that increase risk (drug use being huge). the fact that there are a) new diseases and b) STD’s were much more common before there was medical treatment and when sexual discussion of all sorts were much less frank than now.

The idea that there is an increase because of “smut” (such as what, Catcher on the Rye or comprehensive sex education) is not only untested, it is unsupported.

By: Jed

Jed — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:51:30 +0000

DanB,
Maybe it’s you who needs a bit of perspective here. In the 1890’s (at the height of the Victorian morality you seem to espouse) a survey in New York found that over 75% of men and over 50% of women were suffering one or more STD’s.
Humanity has been “sexualized” for at least as long as it’s been human. Various social and religious groups have tried to harness sexuality in one way or another as a means achieving control and/or raising funds for the entire of recorded history and probably for a long time before.
While our understanding of sex and representations of sexuality are more openly presented in recent decades, the underlying sexualty has remained pretty much as it always has; the difference being that medicine has become more proficient at decoupling sexual expression from reproduction and at treating STD’s, both to the howlings of religious bodies who wanted to keep sexual expression under the purview of the church, and were outraged over losing that means of controlling society. Before and during WWII many churches violently opposed the advent of antibiotics because they treated STD’s, God’s scourge on fornicators, and in the 1960’s opposed the pill for the same reason; they didn’t want people having sex without their express permission!
The current “wave” of STD’s is in no small part increased by a number of newly discovered diseases that have been added to the traditional syphilis and gonorrhea, and better reporting, and is only slightly due to increased sex/decreased monogamy. In years past, STD’s were shameful and often neither diagnosed or treated in time. Hopefully we’re getting past that and more people are getting treated.

By: Mod

Mod — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:06:44 +0000

“Well there must be a problem because just a few days ago there was news about how over 25% of teenage girls have STD’s.”

Ya gotta LOVE that good ol’ right-wing fundamentalist abstinence education! Introducing that curriculum into schools has protected the children from the evils of sin! Amen! I say amen! Anyone else?

By: Mod

Mod — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:06:43 +0000

“Well there must be a problem because just a few days ago there was news about how over 25% of teenage girls have STD’s.”

Ya gotta LOVE that good ol’ right-wing fundamentalist abstinence education! Introducing that curriculum into schools has protected the children from the evils of sin! Amen! I say amen! Anyone else?

By: Tom

Tom — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:32:05 +0000

Hi Mod,

My apologies for the assumption about your nic.

By: Regular

Regular — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:30:19 +0000

ksagnostic aspires to be an intellectual.

Aspirations are sometimes never achieved. :)

By: ksagnostic

ksagnostic — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:25:23 +0000

“Wow! I’ve seen some pretty idiotic and ludicrous replies before but not as imbecilic as these last four replies! Did you four understand ANYTHING I said?! Wow! I guess the old adage is true, there’s no reasoning with fools!”

Gee, maybe if we followed your example of intelligent, well reasoned posts, we’d do better.

Argumentum ad hominem.

Know what that means, Dan?

By: Dan Beyer

Dan Beyer — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:22:41 +0000

Hey Rhonda keep up the good work. You’ve got some really intelligent followers! Hey by the way were you an advisor for the movie “Idiocracy”?
Wow!

By: Dan Beyer

Dan Beyer — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:17:31 +0000

Wow! I’ve seen some pretty idiotic and ludicrous replies before but not as imbecilic as these last four replies! Did you four understand ANYTHING I said?! Wow! I guess the old adage is true, there’s no reasoning with fools!

By: Phantom

Phantom — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:09:38 +0000

“Besides, is classroom smut really a problem in Kansas?”
Only to dirty little minded people.

By: LR

LR — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:38:39 +0000

I vote for the MAX solution — close all them public schools, lower the working age to about 8, and you solve the problem of immigration ya got all these kids to do the work —

… as the resident idiot here likes to say …chortle chortle

By: Jed

Jed — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:19:39 +0000

It never ceases to amaze me how many people there are who think it’s their business to tell other people what they shouldn’t read. Obviously, they themselves must have read them so they could know that we shouldn’t read, and if what we shouldn’t read is so corrupting, those self-appointed censors must be thoroughly corrupt from reading so much of it. So we’re supposed to take the word of a thoroughly corrupt person as fact on all matters of morality?

By: Sarah Bellum

Sarah Bellum — Mon, 17 Mar 2008 01:13:10 +0000

Every kid in high school looks at porn on the computer. Wtf do we care about “catcher in the rye?”