“What’s acceptable in San Francisco may not be in Kansas. Let the school board set the community standard,†state Sen. Karin Brownlee, R-Olathe, testified to a House committee Thursday, on behalf of a Senate-passed measure under which Kansas teachers would ask their school boards to review outside classroom materials that parents might challenge as obscene. As teacher and Rep. Judith Loganbill, D-Wichita, noted, school boards do not have time to review all materials that teachers might like to use. Teachers might play it safe, and perhaps shortchange students, rather than go through the review hassle. Can’t teachers be treated as professionals and trusted to pick their own materials? Besides, is classroom smut really a problem in Kansas?
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For those Wichita readers who don’t know her, Karin Brownlee is a far-right, radical “conservative” from Olathe, land of the right-wing crazies. She is in Topeka only to remake Kansas into her own image of self-righteousness.
The “smut” law was a last-minute amendment to an unrelated education bill. It’s a dishonest attempt to ban books the radical right doesn’t like. Instead of an outright ban, it criminalizes teacher’s curriculum It was opposed by the Republican chair AND vice chair of the Senate Education Committee, Jean Schodorf and John Vratil, and in fact was never given a public hearing in any committee.
I’ve talked to several House Education Committee members, and it’s clear the bill is not passable with Brownlee’s amendment on it. Everyone in Topeka knows it’s there only for the media attention it garners, and for its usefulness in negative campaign ads later this year. It’s a cynical manipulation of the process for nothing more than political gain.
I think the smut should be removed from classrooms, too. I remember in my 1st grade primer it said,” See Spot.
See Jane.
Jane went to the corner to get Dick.”
I said “and in fact was never given a public hearing in any committee.” What I meant was: any Senate committee. Obviously it was heard in the House. Sorry for the unclear posting.
What????????? What? I’m not following this article, what outside classroom matierals are teachers supposed to be reviewing?
Buck, I can relate a personal experience. My Lit class was into Greek mythology so I thought I’d show “Clash of the Titans”. I must’ve seen it over a dozen times on Disney channel and a few other networks. After scouring Wichita for it (only one vid rnetal place carried it), I finally obtained a copy. And y’know, in the vid version there’s a shot of breast feeding shortly before the beginning. And about 2/3 of the way through Andromeda emerges from a bath that too is pretty provocative.
shortly after the beginning, if ya ain’t figured it out. Was thinking before any real action began.
Thats what this is, reviewing kids backpacks for playboys or sexual paraphanaelia, I’m more worried about a kid carrying around an Anarchist Cookbook than some kid fantasizing about a centerfold. In fact, the kid with the playboy has his mind in a good place compared to a kid reading a terrorist manual.
While I worry about children having access to the Anarchist’s Cookbook, I do feel it should be in everybody’s library. Along with a copy of Henley’s Formulas and Grey’s Anatomy.
Reich wingers are always looking for ways to make government bigger and more intrusive. If teachers can’t be trusted to pick a textbook then how can they be trusted with children?
i thought republicans loved smaller government and lower taxes.
too bad mccain doesn’t have to pay taxes on all the under the table pay-offs he gets.
“Witch hunt to follow.”
Oh how the radical right will abuse this law. Phill Klein will be asking for security videos and cash register receipts of every video store “suspect” teachers atronize, because the “maybe-crime” of showing students “smut” in the classroom will be a handy excuse for trampling all over privacy rights in this great state.
I know a large number of teachers who are front and center with the religious right. I can’t wait to see how any of them bolstered by a law like this will turn petty building grievances into opportunities to destroy careers.
God help us.
“Clean” Movie Maven Arrested For Teen Sex
Utah Man Who Sold R-Rated Films Shorn Of Skin Arrested For Sex With 14-Year-Old Girls
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/25/national/main3753682.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3753682
“(CBS) A Utah retailer of family-friendly tapes and DVDs – Hollywood films with the “dirty parts” cut out of them – has been arrested for trading sex with two 14-year-old girls. … Thompson’s Flix Club was one of several Utah-based video outlets that traded in edited versions of R- and PG-13-rated films, catering to clientele who wanted to watch hit movies without nudity, sex, language or graphic violence.” They’d rather sit around imagining it in their perverted, little minds.
As always, the fanatical right needs to clean up it’s own house before attacking other people’s morals.
“Everyone in Topeka knows it’s there only for the media attention it garners, and for its usefulness in negative campaign ads later this year. It’s a cynical manipulation of the process for nothing more than political gain.”
Aren’t we Kansans getting more than a little tired of our “morally superior” brethren using these dishonest, to the point of evil, tactics to abuse the political system and our rights to secure power for themselves? Quit electing these people to public office.
Just one more step closer to Farenheit 451.
Well
Some teachers are better at this than others.
One time in high school, I taped a Playboy centerfold on my history teachers roll down map of Europe.
When he finally went to use the map, he rolled it down and didn’t miss a beat as he said
“Well Europe sure has changed!”
Hiya Mod,
Sound advice. But I’m wondering – does the “Mod” in your nic mean “moderate Republican?” If so, I’d go a step further, and say that as long as moderate Republicans of good concience continue to support what the KSGOP has become, the leadership will continue to be right-wingers like Kris Kobach and Iris Van Meter. Kobach’s “Loyalty Committee” and Van Meter’s KRA are destroying that party, and anyone with sense and self-respect will think twice about supporting it.
“As always, the fanatical right needs to clean up it’s own house before attacking other people’s morals.”
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Interesting isn’t how unthinking liberal extremists like mod think anyone who is involved in “family friendly” fare is a member of the “fanatical right”.
Do you have some information not included in your post that you would like to share with the class, mod???
Wow, Tom, not just a little leap there associating my nic with “moderate Republican.” Not that I disagree with your assessment of the choices Kansas’ moderate Republicans make.
Personally, I believe “good conscience” and support of right-wingers are necessarily exclusive. I perceive it as being about power and the right-wingers being too devoid of real morality to effectively organize their power for the good of the people of this state. But then, the 85% of the people of this state don’t have formal educations beyond high school and really don’t care to as long as the manufacturing base of the economy is in tact are drawn to the right-wing lust for power, especially if it’s wrapped in “moral values.”
The People get what they want.
“Do you have some information not included in your post that you would like to share with the class, mod???”
Jeff Gannon
Ted Haggard
Mark Foley
Larry Craig
No-bid contracts
recycled waste water sickening American troops
lowered air quality standards
oil companies’ record profits
36% increase in the price of staple groceries like bread
unarmored troop vehicles
lowered air quality standards for Americans
$3+ gas
crime rates increasing in double digits
freedom fries
“OLD Europe”
Conservative, Right-Wing, Christian “morality” at its “best”. Can’t thank you guys enough.
So mod, did you just throw in the link about the family friendly fare for the hell of it mod?
Does your demonstrated dishonesty reflects the morals of liberals??? Hmm…?
Don’t forget Blackwater in that. I got to watch a documentary on Blackwater on Link tv this weekend. The only people in the organization that even spoke english were the office help. So you could say they’re just sending jobs overseas. It seemed all the mercs (I guess would havta be since by definition a merc isn’t from the attacking country) were from Turkey, Tibet, or retired French Foreign Legion. And we know how stinkin’ bad those French are, stealing the tanker deal out from under us and all.
outlander, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Ted Haggard and that band of pro-family evangelicals were getting George W. Bush to ask the Salvation Army headquarters who their gay employees were, but didn’t bat an eye at Mark Foley – the Republican who preyed on male, congressional pages – for his well known sexually inappropriate behaviors toward young males, because Foley was a huge fundraiser for right-wing interests. That immorality is bred into the religious right and hides in the guise of “family values.” If you don’t like it and you’re a part of it then it’s YOUR responsibility to change it. You know, “party of personal responsibility.” Calling me names is really no substitute for that.
Never mind mod. You are just a partisan leftist who apparently thinks family values is a right wing value. I think that that is more true than not, but I doubt very many on your side of the aisle will agree with you.
“Don’t forget Blackwater in that.”
The Bush/Republican equivalent of every petty dictator’s private paramilitary force that answers only to him outside of oversight by the legitimate armed services or the people’s elected representatives, the the US Congress.
Thanks for bringing that up, ghotiphaze. It’s important to mention.
I thought family values was a leftist concept. Imorality was the dogma of the rights.
“Never mind mod.”
Your ignorance does not serve you well, outlander. I wish you were the only person it touched.
“I thought family values was a leftist concept. Imorality was the dogma of the rights.”
I doubt that the $4 a gallon milk of our current “moral values” economy will save many babies. Last I looked a significant portion of Wichita’s murders for the year so far have been post-utero babies. A great indication of the “family values” the religious right have wrought for our community over the past eight years. God bless ‘em.
Last word from me, mod. Ronald Reagan sure had you pegged when he said; “The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
Have a good afternoon.
“So you could say they’re just sending jobs overseas.”
Yes, of course, because sending children’s parents’ jobs overseas is a “family value.”
I doubt that the $4 a gallon milk
A bit of thought makes you realize the price of milk is a direct result of Proxmire not squashing the entire NASA and science budget anymore.
*ducks*
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A great indication of the “family values” the religious right have wrought
‘zactly my point LOL
not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”
Ronny channeled Mark Twain, or Atrtemis Ward, or whoever they stole it from?
Oh except for not mentioning dishonesty. Reagan forgot to add that to peg you perfectly.
The ends justify the means, right mod? You remind me of a couple of other posters who also believe that who don’t post when you do mod.
The People get what they want.
No, they get what they deserve.
“And we know how stinkin’ bad those French are, stealing the tanker deal out from under us and all.”
We won’t call them “French” tankers. We’ll call them “Freedom” tankers. … Direct from France… Yeah, that’s it. And Sam Brownback FULLY supports that contract. Because he’s on the side of John McCain. … Didn’t John McCain call the religious right “agents of intolerance”?
… Well, the religious right certainly stand by their “moral values.” Because if they weren’t doing that, I’d almost get the impression that the last people the religious right can trust are themselves. Go figure.
outlander, how many times are you going to need to get the last word? ‘Cause I tried giving it to you once. But, you don’t seem very true to your word, lat or otherwise. I’m sure in your mind that’s “moral” though. So, don’t you worry about it. No, sir.
“not squashing the entire NASA and science budget anymore.
*ducks*”
LOL.
Well, I’d laugh more, but when the scientists finished watching those meteor catastrophe movies and, out of natural curiosity, did some figures on the odds the earth might really be hit by a meteor – and the figures said the odds, actually, are really good that the earth will have just such a catastrophic encounter – AND SO, we really do need to be prepared and get into space because we really can’t stop a meteor from here. But Bush and the Republicans have decimated the nation’s economy so much that we can’t afford to prepare for such an encounter …
Oh wait, no never mind, the earth is only 6,000 years old and meteor collisions never happen, really.
“not squashing the entire NASA and science budget anymore.
*ducks*”
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Besides, we can’t just hand the moon to the Chinese. … The way we have given them control of our debt. …
Outlander, come ON now. YOu’re not going to sit here and pretend that those aren’t your people now are you?
You’re a good Christian, make them say a few hail Mary’s (Or Hail Joseph Smiths), and you can forgive em.
What people, dear?
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Well there must be a problem because just a few days ago there was news about how over 25% of teenage girls have STD’s. Don’t we have enough sexualization going on? We have to have the crap in schools too? You mean school boards don’t have enough time to review school curriculum?! What?! What are you talking about?! That’s their job Rhonda!
Rhonda, what do you think about the rise in STD’s in teenage girls? Do you care?
“Well there must be a problem because just a few days ago there was news about how over 25% of teenage girls have STD’s. Don’t we have enough sexualization going on? We have to have the crap in schools too? You mean school boards don’t have enough time to review school curriculum?! What?! What are you talking about?! That’s their job Rhonda!
Rhonda, what do you think about the rise in STD’s in teenage girls? Do you care?”
Reviewing the curriculum is not the same thing as reviewing all materials that a teacher might use. School boards do not have the time or the expertise to micromanage curriculum. That’s what you pay teachers for.
As for the connections between STD’s and school materials, don’t be ludicrous (oops, too late). The idea that literature that contains a few damns or references to sexual activity are a primary factor in encouraging girls to have sex is (here’s that word again) ludicrous. If anything, evidence indicates that lack of information (e.g., abstinance only verses comprehensive sex education) has a higher correlation with consequences for sexual activity.
Every kid in high school looks at porn on the computer. Wtf do we care about “catcher in the rye?”
It never ceases to amaze me how many people there are who think it’s their business to tell other people what they shouldn’t read. Obviously, they themselves must have read them so they could know that we shouldn’t read, and if what we shouldn’t read is so corrupting, those self-appointed censors must be thoroughly corrupt from reading so much of it. So we’re supposed to take the word of a thoroughly corrupt person as fact on all matters of morality?
I vote for the MAX solution — close all them public schools, lower the working age to about 8, and you solve the problem of immigration ya got all these kids to do the work —
… as the resident idiot here likes to say …chortle chortle
“Besides, is classroom smut really a problem in Kansas?”
Only to dirty little minded people.
Wow! I’ve seen some pretty idiotic and ludicrous replies before but not as imbecilic as these last four replies! Did you four understand ANYTHING I said?! Wow! I guess the old adage is true, there’s no reasoning with fools!
Hey Rhonda keep up the good work. You’ve got some really intelligent followers! Hey by the way were you an advisor for the movie “Idiocracy”?
Wow!
“Wow! I’ve seen some pretty idiotic and ludicrous replies before but not as imbecilic as these last four replies! Did you four understand ANYTHING I said?! Wow! I guess the old adage is true, there’s no reasoning with fools!”
Gee, maybe if we followed your example of intelligent, well reasoned posts, we’d do better.
Argumentum ad hominem.
Know what that means, Dan?
ksagnostic aspires to be an intellectual.
Aspirations are sometimes never achieved. :)
Hi Mod,
My apologies for the assumption about your nic.
“Well there must be a problem because just a few days ago there was news about how over 25% of teenage girls have STD’s.”
Ya gotta LOVE that good ol’ right-wing fundamentalist abstinence education! Introducing that curriculum into schools has protected the children from the evils of sin! Amen! I say amen! Anyone else?
“Well there must be a problem because just a few days ago there was news about how over 25% of teenage girls have STD’s.”
Ya gotta LOVE that good ol’ right-wing fundamentalist abstinence education! Introducing that curriculum into schools has protected the children from the evils of sin! Amen! I say amen! Anyone else?
DanB,
Maybe it’s you who needs a bit of perspective here. In the 1890’s (at the height of the Victorian morality you seem to espouse) a survey in New York found that over 75% of men and over 50% of women were suffering one or more STD’s.
Humanity has been “sexualized” for at least as long as it’s been human. Various social and religious groups have tried to harness sexuality in one way or another as a means achieving control and/or raising funds for the entire of recorded history and probably for a long time before.
While our understanding of sex and representations of sexuality are more openly presented in recent decades, the underlying sexualty has remained pretty much as it always has; the difference being that medicine has become more proficient at decoupling sexual expression from reproduction and at treating STD’s, both to the howlings of religious bodies who wanted to keep sexual expression under the purview of the church, and were outraged over losing that means of controlling society. Before and during WWII many churches violently opposed the advent of antibiotics because they treated STD’s, God’s scourge on fornicators, and in the 1960’s opposed the pill for the same reason; they didn’t want people having sex without their express permission!
The current “wave” of STD’s is in no small part increased by a number of newly discovered diseases that have been added to the traditional syphilis and gonorrhea, and better reporting, and is only slightly due to increased sex/decreased monogamy. In years past, STD’s were shameful and often neither diagnosed or treated in time. Hopefully we’re getting past that and more people are getting treated.
Well done on the historical analysis of STD’s and our history with them. One of the key points, as well as the complex interaction of factors that increase risk (drug use being huge). the fact that there are a) new diseases and b) STD’s were much more common before there was medical treatment and when sexual discussion of all sorts were much less frank than now.
The idea that there is an increase because of “smut” (such as what, Catcher on the Rye or comprehensive sex education) is not only untested, it is unsupported.
ksag,
Even drug use is not as recent as we like to think- recently an archeology dig at an abandoned 1870’s Nevada mining town turned up loads of old syringes and other opiate paraphernalia. Also, I was regaled many years ago by an old gentleman from Montana who described the strike he winessed as a child in 1910 by miners there when the company pharmacy ran out of cocaine.
Of course I also saw a collection of company tokens used to pay miners in Colorado that were redeemable at the local houses of ill repute. Madams often paid the companies for exclusive rights to the workers. So much for Victorian morality.
Jed, I think the access and variety of drugs between “now and then” has greatly increased, particularly among teenagers, the group in question.
But then again as you pointed out, now verses then, look where we were “then”.
Part of the issue, we are dealing with the great baby boomer hangover.
Victorian morality in the Old West, Jed??
A lot of what you have written is correct but it contains, as always Jed, your misrepresentations and generalizations about the motives of those who believe in God.
It’s interesting that we have old hippies here who supported the sexual revolution, drug use etc…, who now support essentially the same hedonistic, do whatever feels good philosophy. They laugh at the 25% STD rate among teenage girls, BLAMING abstinence education when actually, it is only an attempt at a solution to a problem that they themselves helped create.
Outie,
I have no problem with believers in any religion- my beef has always been with those who make a bundle off of marketing belief. If there’s such a thing as the lowest circle of hell, I’m fairly sure it’s chock-full o’ televangelists and church hierarchy.
I’m certainly getting old, but I never qualified as hippie- not nearly enough of the required naivete, and I was never much of a drug user.
And I certainly don’t laugh at the STD rate! All I’m saying is that if we still have this much of a problem after 1700+ years of church-mandated abstinence, then it’s time and past to ditch it and try a different approach. Raising three kids and mostly raising three grandkids qualfies me to have an educated opinion on the subject.
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