Clinton supporter James Carville last week called New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson a “Judas†for endorsing Barack Obama. Now he’s refusing to apologize for the insult. Good for him. It’s starting to get silly, these demands for apologies for strong or insulting language.
Richardson did a painful thing in rejecting his former political benefactors — and many in the Clinton camp do see it as betrayal. Is “Judas†a bit over the top? Sure. And so was an Obama supporter calling Hillary Clinton a “monster.†But they reflect the strong feelings in these two campaigns.
Let’s reserve the outrage for what’s truly outrageous, and quit with the rounds of dueling apologies and forced resignations. Or there will be nobody left to campaign.
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I’m still waiting for the Bush administration to apologize for their heaping lies.
And also Rush for trying to underhand democracy.
Now that’s truly outrageous.
When will the editors apologize to us for no thread on John McCain and how he sought the endorsement of a bigot and then lied about it?
“Or there will be nobody left to campaign.”
This would be bad?
I’m with Steven on that…LOL.
This is horrible, but does the guy pictured above remind anyone of that movie ‘The Mask’ that Jim Carrey was in?
Sol,
Indeed. Carville has been called “serpenthead” by his wife. Takes one to know one, I guess.
I see an entire campaign crumbling. The particularly bad thing about this from a Democratic perspective is the possibility of long-lasting bad blood within the Party.
Shades of 1968.
I wish people would just support the person they think would do the best job, not along party lines or past favors. It’s ridiculous that there is so much division and resentment in both camps.
Can’t we all just get along and respect each other’s choices?
It doesn’t matter what a candidate says about any issue..someone journalist or political opponent will try to pick them apart. No one can do or say anything right.
I think we need to quit listening to the firestorm the 24 hour news stations are trying to make out of this and everything else. It seems they attempt to make up for their journalistic incompetence by fanning sparks into flames, thus having something to fill all those hours they are on the air.
It is still March! The Republicans decided on their nominee but that doesn’t in any way indicate they have a superior candidate or that the Democratic Party needs to rush to get where they are. Look at the states that still have primaries scheduled:
APRIL 2008
* April 22: Pennsylvania
MAY 2008
* May 6: Indiana, North Carolina
* May 13: Nebraska (primary), West Virginia
* May 20: Kentucky, Oregon
* May 27: Idaho (R)
JUNE 2008
* June 3: Montana, New Mexico (R), South Dakota
IF people are complaining about Florida and Michigan (when they broke the rules and put themselves in their current position), then why are we rushing to make all the states listed above not have input??
Take a deep breath, relax and smile, don’t let the news or the bloggers or anyone else rush a process that is moving along as intended. The two candidates are showing us the voters much more through their competition than we would see if that ended. I don’t like what I’m seeing but it sure helps me make better decisions.
Linda - and just think of the focus we would be having on MI and FL if they had played by the rules. They could have had primaries today and April 8. That would have given them tremendous clout.
I’m sure old ’serpent head’ is enjoying every minute after calling Richardson a ‘Judas.’ Carville is a media chimp and loves the attention.
Shut up? Heavens, no. This race is the best show going. I only hope it keeps going, all the way to the convention. It’s not often we get to watch a convention that actually does something.
So - keep it up, both camps. And I’ll pop some popcorn, put my feet up, and enjoy the show.
I have no idea what your “shut up?” question references, but agree that the process is moving along as intended and if you remove the news slants and the bloggers opinions you have a great opportunity to know more about those asking for the job.
Just think. If the process hadn’t kept going would the Democratic Party have had a presumptive candidate in Senator Clinton long ago? Or maybe if it went to just before Texas and Ohio the presumptive candidate would have been Obama? It’s playing out as it should and there will be a candidate. A very superior candidate!
I prefer being patient, paying attention, learning how each of them handle themselves, the competition bringing out more details and specifics to “settling” on someone who seems to have few strong points (if any!). If this blog is an example, ask yourself when you read a post enthusiastic and exciting about McCain being the nominee. The Democratic Party has both negatives and positives. I’d say that’s better than being limited to negatives.
I just hope that our candidates will back off of each other, campaign by promoting themselves, and that way there will be less negative fodder for McCain to use against them in the general election. But I can see why the Clinton campaign would feel like Richardson is a Judas. I’m sure there are sore feelings since he endorsed Obama.
Carville
Posted March 25, 2008 at 3:33 pm | Permalink
Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaseeeeeeeeee change the subject!
Quit lying about Hillary lying.
Talk about Obama or McCain or the Weather, just stop talking about the liar, I mean, Hillary.
Can’t we all just please get along? Stop the personal attacks! Oh the agony! The AGONY!
We need to stop listening to the news! Ignore the bloggers!
Where’s my rose colored glasses? “I’m in my happy place, I’m in my happy place, I’m in my happy place!”
Obama please drop out now! For the good of the party!
I agree, TDT. We all are uncomfortable about the ugliness, yet we watch it and listen to it overandover. Not just the words and acts someone takes umbrage to but analysis of the meaning. We’re told what someone is going to say, we listen to them say it and then we’re told what they said and what it meant. Maybe if we weren’t lambasted by the news and the nervous we could keep things in proper perspective.
Stop watching the news!
Don’t gather to watch the car wreck - keep moving, don’t gawk and don’t talk!
(It’s a gruuuueeeeesssssomme sight, yuck!)
I agree, TDT. We all are uncomfortable about the ugliness, yet we watch it and listen to it overandover.
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Linda, that’s not a nice thing to say about Carville!
We really need to get that Fairness Doctrine passed so that the Government can control the nasty press.
Carville:
A big high five !!!!!
I can’t think of anything nice to say about Carville. But when he opens his mouth he says a lot about himself.
They’re polishing up the water cannons in Denver.
teehee
Or maybe they’ll try try out one of those new sonic puke rays.
Heckler,
Gives you a woody just thinking about it, evidently.
Carville could do better stand up comedy than political punditism. I saw him and his old lady doing their thing at century two, and James blew Mary out of the water. Interesting couple.
Think about the amount of money Obama and Hillary are dumping fighting eachother. All the while, McCain gets to build what little he can and sit on it.
This is very very bad for the dems. Feelings are going to be hurt and might not get better before November. Some libs may vote repub or just not vote over the infighting.
Well, while we’re on the subject of MCain and money:
McCain’s lawyers contend that the spending cap no longer applies. The senator was certified to enter the matching-funds program last year when he was starved for cash. But once he started to win, he decided to hold off. On Feb. 6, after his Super Tuesday victories, he wrote to the Federal Election Commission to announce he would withdraw. His lawyers said that gave him freedom to spend as much as he wanted.
But David Mason, chairman of the commission, wrote to McCain’s campaign last month to alert him that the commission had not yet granted that withdrawal request, and that the commission would first have to vote on the matter. One snag is that the commission has four vacancies and therefore lacks a quorum to consider the matter.
Meanwhile, McCain’s fund-raising has surged, now that he is the presumptive Republican nominee. McCain’s campaign said last week that it sees no ambiguity in the law. “The FEC regulations specifically state that candidates who do not receive public funding payments from the US Treasury are exempt from the primary spending ceiling,” a senior McCain official said.
WASHINGTON POST
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/24/mccain_breaks_spending_limits/
P.S. Sol, it’s quite possible some Dems will vote for Mcain, but no sane “libs” will. . . .
From Tracy’s Blog:
Moneywise, this is an eerily liberating time to be running for president or Congress. Donations are being harvested and spent at a record rate, while the Federal Election Commission — the campaign’s designated referee — has been reduced to a nonentity.
The panel has been unable to meet and function this year because it no longer has enough members to do business. There are four vacancies on the six-member commission, and a political standoff in the Senate centered on a hack Republican nominee is blocking attempts to fill them.
Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate’s Republican leader, has insisted that the four seats be filled as a single package on one vote, not separate votes on the merits of the individuals. Democrats object to one Republican nominee, Hans von Spakovsky, a notorious partisan who built a record at the Justice Department as an aggressive G.O.P. booster undermining voting rights for minorities and the poor.
Lacking a quorum, the commission has been left powerless to issue advisory opinions for candidates, write new reform regulations, open investigations and file lawsuits against violators. The result is a scofflaw’s paradise. The political landscape’s big-money fast lanes are slick enough without having the only traffic controller gone missing.
What this means on a practical level is that the supposed new breakthrough law called the Honest Leadership and Open Government Act is gathering cobwebs. The commission has been unavailable to write enforcement regulations for a law that could not be timelier. It requires presidential and Congressional candidates to report to the public on their lucrative bundled contributions — the large packages of multiple donations that lobbyists and other favor-seekers amass to secure out-size gratitude from candidates. If the commission ever gets back in business, the elections could be over and severe damage already done to the campaign.
Surely, Senator McConnell — long an outspoken opponent of campaign-finance reform — can’t mean to block a vital new law of the land in order to champion a discredited ward-heeler.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26wed3.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Yep,
John McCain, the champion of campaign finance reform. That is unless he is running a campaign.
Rage,
Neither would a sane conservative.
;-)
Yeah, Linda, I’m wondering if the worst Bush appointees to the FEC are better than none at all.
What a choice. Aargh.
And, McCain, again, accused of playing fast-and-loose with FEC rules. Note the source.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/article/mccain-fec-deception-continues-new-documents-reveal-campaign-misleads-kentucky_497976_1.html
Oh, the irony! The double standard! The Hypocrisy!
All of a sudden, people are only responsible for themselves and not those who represent them or work for them or are associated with them…
All of a sudden, people shouldn’t have to apologize for the things they say…
All of a sudden, it doesn’t matter who you are associated with no matter how bad the things they say are…
Where were you guys when Trent Lott said his little innocent comment about Strom Thurmond?
Where were you guys for most of the Bush administration?
Where were you guys when Don Imus said his comment?
Now that you see your party tearing itself apart, all of a sudden there is a little bit of panic in your hearts because you know deep down inside you see John McCain winning the Presidency!
HA HA HA HA HA HA
May operation Chaos continue and let this nomination drag out to the bitter end with both Obama and Hilary tearing each other apart.
Im with GMC70, lets pop some pop corn, sit back, and enjoy the show.
deep down inside you see John McCain winning the Presidency!
I could handle that. The little guys don’t get hurt near as bad in a depression as the not nearly the biggest fish do. They don’t have anything to lose.
Where were you guys when Trent Lott said his little innocent comment about Strom Thurmond?
“I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.”
Trent Lott
“All the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches.”
Strom Thurmond
On July 17, 1948, delegates from 13 southern states gathered in Birmingham to nominate Thurmond and adopt a platform that said in part, “We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A20730-2002Dec6
What “problems” was he talking about, Nathan? Or do you honestly think electing this man in 1948 would have been good for America?
In many ways I think a Republican president should enjoy the honor of being president when bush leaves office. Since McCain is the presumptive Republican candidate he wold be the one who should have this “honor.” I have many reasons for thinking that might just be a perfect happening!
As I’ve said repeatedly I don’t see the Democratic Party, “tearing itself apart.” I see a process going as it is intended.
As to the balance of your post, I guess I’m reading a different thread than you are commenting on.
If Richardson is Judas does that make Hillary Jesus?
could handle that. The little guys don’t get hurt near as bad in a depression as the not nearly the biggest fish do. They don’t have anything to lose.
Uhm, they could die , Fish. It’s been nice knowing you. ;)
LOL rage, I have something better than money. Practical skills and willingness and ability to work. During a depression those are much more marketable skills than permabent knees and foldback teeth.
“All of a sudden, people are only responsible for themselves and not those who represent them or work for them or are associated with them…
All of a sudden, people shouldn’t have to apologize for the things they say…
All of a sudden, it doesn’t matter who you are associated with no matter how bad the things they say are…
Where were you guys when Trent Lott said his little innocent comment about Strom Thurmond?
Where were you guys for most of the Bush administration?
Where were you guys when Don Imus said his comment?”
what alternate universe do you live in? when any of those things accurred there were huge uproars from bothsides in the press — you choose to only see the “far right” side — just like the very few on the “far left” side
for a 30+ year old Marine you certainly are naive
“Where were you guys when Don Imus said his comment?”
Go ahead, Price, DEFEND the use of the terminology “nappy headed ho’s” that Imus used.
I gotta hear this one.
WS Clark,
You liberals never do get the point do you?
“You liberals never do get the point do you?”
The only point I got from your post, Price, was that you thought Strom Thurmond was a swell guy and you were okay with calling female college basketball players nappy headed ho’s.
WS Clark,
And then you act indignant when I say you have a reading comprehension problem?
Tell me how your post differs from what I noted, Price?
You have defended Thurmond and Lott in the past as well as Imus.
So what’s your problem?
WS Clark,
My problem, or your problem, is that you can’t read.
female college basketball players nappy headed ho’s.
Isn’t that just short for HOney? That’s what I tell my wife.
“My problem, or your problem, is that you can’t read.”
Phuck you, Price.
WS Clark,
And there is that lovable Clarkie I have come to know so well.
Back to your second grade name calling.
I know, I know, you are from Detroit, so that excuses you to use whatever language you want to.
Except of course, you don’t talk like that in front of your family, just on a public blog where anyone else could be reading.
i’ve understood the ef word to be a transitive verb or other modifier. Makes for great grammar.
Nathan posted March 26, 2008 at 2:28 pm
“Except of course, you don’t talk like that in front of your family, just on a public blog where anyone else could be reading.”
Didn’t Nathan’s father make a post telling someone to ESAD? Nice family…
“Back to your second grade name calling.”
Other than nitwit, your father’s favorite term, what name have I called you, Price.
Oh yeah, and the horse you rode in on.
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