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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-328195</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Jack...&lt;/strong&gt;

Nice work.....</description>
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<p>Nice work&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: canada debt reduction</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-321744</link>
		<dc:creator>canada debt reduction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 12:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;canada debt reduction...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: NN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310249</link>
		<dc:creator>NN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Way: Why the fuss? Don&#039;t rest on your case to much for it will decay further if you can&#039;t detect humour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Way: Why the fuss? Don&#8217;t rest on your case to much for it will decay further if you can&#8217;t detect humour.</p>
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		<title>By: American Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310239</link>
		<dc:creator>American Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rest my case on NN.</description>
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		<title>By: NN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310237</link>
		<dc:creator>NN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas:I told you I hesitated to get into any discussions about US health care. As for not noticing how much was dedicated for health premiums, I also had trouble figuring out exactly how much of the deductions were dedicated to-wards my Canada Savings Bonds, Taxation both Federal and Provincial and the Social/Bowling Club dues, even though a nice lady in the payroll dept made numerous efforts to try and explain. I figured the lump sum wasn&#039;t that bad... I just don&#039;t do math at all.  My kids got smarts though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas:I told you I hesitated to get into any discussions about US health care. As for not noticing how much was dedicated for health premiums, I also had trouble figuring out exactly how much of the deductions were dedicated to-wards my Canada Savings Bonds, Taxation both Federal and Provincial and the Social/Bowling Club dues, even though a nice lady in the payroll dept made numerous efforts to try and explain. I figured the lump sum wasn&#8217;t that bad&#8230; I just don&#8217;t do math at all.  My kids got smarts though!</p>
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		<title>By: P Heroni</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310204</link>
		<dc:creator>P Heroni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news from China.  They are Pro Choice there, at least for cats:

Report: Shocking Death Camps for Cats Result of Beijing Olympics Clean-Up

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336276,00.html

Meow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news from China.  They are Pro Choice there, at least for cats:</p>
<p>Report: Shocking Death Camps for Cats Result of Beijing Olympics Clean-Up</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336276,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336276,00.html</a></p>
<p>Meow</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310150</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bridges  --  It is  after 11 p.m.   Do you  know where your  Trolls  are??   Try  searching  the WE Blog...  There  are  plenty here!!   LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bridges  &#8212;  It is  after 11 p.m.   Do you  know where your  Trolls  are??   Try  searching  the WE Blog&#8230;  There  are  plenty here!!   LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310148</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time  to  recuperate  from  time  change....  

Good night;  Good luck;  God bless;
Whatever you conceive God to be!!

Blessings  All!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time  to  recuperate  from  time  change&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Good night;  Good luck;  God bless;<br />
Whatever you conceive God to be!!</p>
<p>Blessings  All!!</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310126</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas,

WGAS...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas,</p>
<p>WGAS&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310120</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact,  AmWay,  I  posted  HOW MUCH  my health insurance premiums  cost  per  month...   If  I  didnt  have a  good  position,  I  couldnt  afford it!!   I  am one of the lucky  ones...  I have a  good  job,  and  can  afford  it...  Thats  really  good,  since  I  am  a  cancer  survivor,  and have  fairly  expensive  medical  bills...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact,  AmWay,  I  posted  HOW MUCH  my health insurance premiums  cost  per  month&#8230;   If  I  didnt  have a  good  position,  I  couldnt  afford it!!   I  am one of the lucky  ones&#8230;  I have a  good  job,  and  can  afford  it&#8230;  Thats  really  good,  since  I  am  a  cancer  survivor,  and have  fairly  expensive  medical  bills&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310117</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So,  our  NN  friend  provides  some  information on health insurance costs in his country,  and  just  as  I predicted,  Amway  attacks,  and  acts  as if  the  Canadian  himself  doesnt  know  what  he is  talking about...  as  if  AmWay  KNOWS  what  health  insurance  costs in  Canada...  

Again,  Amway,  WHY  do you  feel the  egotistical  need  to  LIE  about  everything  you  post,  to  attempt  to  win  an  argument  that isnt  even  an  argument???  

This  discussion  is  about  cost of  health insurance, and ultimately  health  care  costs... 

It  isnt  about  deadbeats...  whoever  deadbeats  are...   There  are  plenty of  hard working  people,  Amway,   who  simply  cannot  AFFORD  the  cost of  health insurance...   There are not  all that  many employers  who  provide  such  a thing  as  a  benefit...  perhaps  the  availability  of  health insurance...  but not  the  real  deal....   

Just  because  somebody  cannot  AFFORD  IT...  does not  by  any stretch  of  even  YOUR  defective  imagination...  make  them  deadbeats...  it  just  means  they  need  their  entire  Income  just  to   GET  BY...  You know,  rent/house payment;  utilities;  gasoline for  work;  groceries  for  the household;  clothes;  clothes  for  kids in  school;  etc.,  etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So,  our  NN  friend  provides  some  information on health insurance costs in his country,  and  just  as  I predicted,  Amway  attacks,  and  acts  as if  the  Canadian  himself  doesnt  know  what  he is  talking about&#8230;  as  if  AmWay  KNOWS  what  health  insurance  costs in  Canada&#8230;  </p>
<p>Again,  Amway,  WHY  do you  feel the  egotistical  need  to  LIE  about  everything  you  post,  to  attempt  to  win  an  argument  that isnt  even  an  argument???  </p>
<p>This  discussion  is  about  cost of  health insurance, and ultimately  health  care  costs&#8230; </p>
<p>It  isnt  about  deadbeats&#8230;  whoever  deadbeats  are&#8230;   There  are  plenty of  hard working  people,  Amway,   who  simply  cannot  AFFORD  the  cost of  health insurance&#8230;   There are not  all that  many employers  who  provide  such  a thing  as  a  benefit&#8230;  perhaps  the  availability  of  health insurance&#8230;  but not  the  real  deal&#8230;.   </p>
<p>Just  because  somebody  cannot  AFFORD  IT&#8230;  does not  by  any stretch  of  even  YOUR  defective  imagination&#8230;  make  them  deadbeats&#8230;  it  just  means  they  need  their  entire  Income  just  to   GET  BY&#8230;  You know,  rent/house payment;  utilities;  gasoline for  work;  groceries  for  the household;  clothes;  clothes  for  kids in  school;  etc.,  etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310114</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AmWay  --  WHERE  do you  see  any place that I said I expect something for nothing???  

Can  you  please  provide a link???  If not,  you  are  LYING  and  FLAMING...

Must you  LIE  about  something  that  wasnt  even posted  to  get your  WAY???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AmWay  &#8212;  WHERE  do you  see  any place that I said I expect something for nothing???  </p>
<p>Can  you  please  provide a link???  If not,  you  are  LYING  and  FLAMING&#8230;</p>
<p>Must you  LIE  about  something  that  wasnt  even posted  to  get your  WAY???</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310112</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NN &gt;&gt;&gt; What  did  I  tell  you???

&quot;American Way
Posted March 9, 2008 at 8:37 pm &#124; Permalink
“No big deal though as I recall.”

It IS a big deal NN. Someone is paying the price.
Healthcare is not being delivered on the cheap - and it is not free. As for you “not noticing” anyone who doesn’t pay attention to payroll deductions being withheld from their paycheck, really is not qualified to speak on such an important subject.

Chas, if you believe you will get something for nothing, you are going to be very disappointed.
There really is no money tree. And please, refrain from posting about the USDebt ever again.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NN &gt;&gt;&gt; What  did  I  tell  you???</p>
<p>&#8220;American Way<br />
Posted March 9, 2008 at 8:37 pm | Permalink<br />
“No big deal though as I recall.”</p>
<p>It IS a big deal NN. Someone is paying the price.<br />
Healthcare is not being delivered on the cheap &#8211; and it is not free. As for you “not noticing” anyone who doesn’t pay attention to payroll deductions being withheld from their paycheck, really is not qualified to speak on such an important subject.</p>
<p>Chas, if you believe you will get something for nothing, you are going to be very disappointed.<br />
There really is no money tree. And please, refrain from posting about the USDebt ever again.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Caruso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310109</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Caruso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Medical treatment and healthcare is available to those who can afford it and no one can afford it unless they have adequate coverage, which many don&#039;t. 
Access to basic, affordable healthcare should be a right for every citizen. I&#039;m not advocating free heathcare, just affordable healthcare...and everyone should be able to get affordable coverage..government subsidized or not.
I can&#039;t get healthcare coverage if my husband loses his job, no insurance company will pick me up unless the policy has a rider in it stating that it won&#039;t cover me should my cancer come back. I&#039;m anything but a &quot;deadbeat&quot;..I&#039;d be willing to bet I&#039;ve paid more in taxes in my lifetime than you have...yet I can&#039;t get coverage on my own.
When I had cancer, the insurance company did everything it could to pay the very minimum on my claims..even though we&#039;d been paying into our policy for 15 years. I had to fight though out my entire treatment to get them to pay their share. The whole system needs to be overhauled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Medical treatment and healthcare is available to those who can afford it and no one can afford it unless they have adequate coverage, which many don&#8217;t.<br />
Access to basic, affordable healthcare should be a right for every citizen. I&#8217;m not advocating free heathcare, just affordable healthcare&#8230;and everyone should be able to get affordable coverage..government subsidized or not.<br />
I can&#8217;t get healthcare coverage if my husband loses his job, no insurance company will pick me up unless the policy has a rider in it stating that it won&#8217;t cover me should my cancer come back. I&#8217;m anything but a &#8220;deadbeat&#8221;..I&#8217;d be willing to bet I&#8217;ve paid more in taxes in my lifetime than you have&#8230;yet I can&#8217;t get coverage on my own.<br />
When I had cancer, the insurance company did everything it could to pay the very minimum on my claims..even though we&#8217;d been paying into our policy for 15 years. I had to fight though out my entire treatment to get them to pay their share. The whole system needs to be overhauled.</p>
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		<title>By: American Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310094</link>
		<dc:creator>American Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s obvious you haven’t had a serious illness or been involved in the health industry.&quot;

You don&#039;t know anything about my private life Mary.
I have enjoyed over half a century on this earth. I have family who practise in medicine. Mom was a LPN, later RN. Two sisters-in-law are nurses. And more, but I won&#039;t get into it.

You are venting about a &quot;crises&quot; that the government will not resolve. We should provide healthcare insurance to the minority who do not have it. The screening should be rigorous. Where help is needed, provide it.

But no candidate is ready to &quot;reform&quot; healthcare to resolve the crises you are viewing from the inside and your own position in medicine.

A great book to read, &quot;The House of God&quot;. Buff and turf patients, and terrible mixups.

But most providers, I believe are like you: honest, hardworking, and professional. But EVERY profession has their 10%. It is not limited to medicine, and unfortunately, without public disclosure of doctors performance and hospitals, it probably never will be.

Deadbeats: Those who would rather not pay what they are capable of paying or those who could work and find it easier not to work. Not everyone meets that criteria. But they are part of it.

The government helps set up the present problems with pushing HMO&#039;s and intervention. They won&#039;t bring us back to Marcus Welby, MD. Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s obvious you haven’t had a serious illness or been involved in the health industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know anything about my private life Mary.<br />
I have enjoyed over half a century on this earth. I have family who practise in medicine. Mom was a LPN, later RN. Two sisters-in-law are nurses. And more, but I won&#8217;t get into it.</p>
<p>You are venting about a &#8220;crises&#8221; that the government will not resolve. We should provide healthcare insurance to the minority who do not have it. The screening should be rigorous. Where help is needed, provide it.</p>
<p>But no candidate is ready to &#8220;reform&#8221; healthcare to resolve the crises you are viewing from the inside and your own position in medicine.</p>
<p>A great book to read, &#8220;The House of God&#8221;. Buff and turf patients, and terrible mixups.</p>
<p>But most providers, I believe are like you: honest, hardworking, and professional. But EVERY profession has their 10%. It is not limited to medicine, and unfortunately, without public disclosure of doctors performance and hospitals, it probably never will be.</p>
<p>Deadbeats: Those who would rather not pay what they are capable of paying or those who could work and find it easier not to work. Not everyone meets that criteria. But they are part of it.</p>
<p>The government helps set up the present problems with pushing HMO&#8217;s and intervention. They won&#8217;t bring us back to Marcus Welby, MD. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: American Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310090</link>
		<dc:creator>American Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What I have described is a very, very large minority in this country&quot;

Small minority at best. 251,000,000 Americans have healthcare insurance.

Heck, I even have healthcare on my dog via my employer! My wife could get pet insurance through her work too.

And no, I am not rich, my wife has a job like millions of others - that provides healthcare.
Even people in the telephone answering center next door to her work have pet insurance!

So, we need to work on health insurance for a very small number of Americans who truly NEED it.
Closely screen applicants and force them to use employer provided whenever available.

And Chas does NOT need help. He is like many who whine and cry about the &quot;high cost of healthcare&quot;, but the point is - it is available.
He continues to pay, as do all of us. Some of us realize the government cannot be all things to all people. Others want a freebie.

But look, do you take your car to the cheapest mechanic for repair? Do you hire the cheapest home repairman?  How much MORE important is healthcare and life? You should be willing to pay the most for healthcare. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What I have described is a very, very large minority in this country&#8221;</p>
<p>Small minority at best. 251,000,000 Americans have healthcare insurance.</p>
<p>Heck, I even have healthcare on my dog via my employer! My wife could get pet insurance through her work too.</p>
<p>And no, I am not rich, my wife has a job like millions of others &#8211; that provides healthcare.<br />
Even people in the telephone answering center next door to her work have pet insurance!</p>
<p>So, we need to work on health insurance for a very small number of Americans who truly NEED it.<br />
Closely screen applicants and force them to use employer provided whenever available.</p>
<p>And Chas does NOT need help. He is like many who whine and cry about the &#8220;high cost of healthcare&#8221;, but the point is &#8211; it is available.<br />
He continues to pay, as do all of us. Some of us realize the government cannot be all things to all people. Others want a freebie.</p>
<p>But look, do you take your car to the cheapest mechanic for repair? Do you hire the cheapest home repairman?  How much MORE important is healthcare and life? You should be willing to pay the most for healthcare. </p>
<p>And be thankful it is available!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Caruso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310085</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Caruso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can’t help it there are deadbeats who can’t or refuse to pay now and refuse to save for a rainy day.&quot;

AW, you think that only the deadbeats don&#039;t have health insurance and that the health care system isn&#039;t broken...you are so out of touch with the real world. I&#039;ve been in the healthcare industry for over 22 yrs and I can tell you the whole system is in crisis. Even if you HAVE private insurance, don&#039;t count on them to pay your claims when you get a major illness, they love to play games in order to deny claims and increase their bottom line.
It&#039;s obvious you haven&#039;t had a serious illness or been involved in the health industry.
My sister just lost her husband...he was in the hospital for a week before he died...the hospital bill ALONE was over $80,000. Now if he didn&#039;t have Medicare (subsidized by the taxpayers), it would have wiped out their life savings. 
Just because you have a little money in the bank, AW, don&#039;t think you&#039;re safe from financial disaster should you get sick...unless of course you are covered by government subsidized health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can’t help it there are deadbeats who can’t or refuse to pay now and refuse to save for a rainy day.&#8221;</p>
<p>AW, you think that only the deadbeats don&#8217;t have health insurance and that the health care system isn&#8217;t broken&#8230;you are so out of touch with the real world. I&#8217;ve been in the healthcare industry for over 22 yrs and I can tell you the whole system is in crisis. Even if you HAVE private insurance, don&#8217;t count on them to pay your claims when you get a major illness, they love to play games in order to deny claims and increase their bottom line.<br />
It&#8217;s obvious you haven&#8217;t had a serious illness or been involved in the health industry.<br />
My sister just lost her husband&#8230;he was in the hospital for a week before he died&#8230;the hospital bill ALONE was over $80,000. Now if he didn&#8217;t have Medicare (subsidized by the taxpayers), it would have wiped out their life savings.<br />
Just because you have a little money in the bank, AW, don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re safe from financial disaster should you get sick&#8230;unless of course you are covered by government subsidized health care.</p>
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		<title>By: Hud</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310071</link>
		<dc:creator>Hud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For my part, they can have him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my part, they can have him.</p>
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		<title>By: Regular</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310066</link>
		<dc:creator>Regular</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like School Superintendent Winston Brooks is on his way to Albequirkee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like School Superintendent Winston Brooks is on his way to Albequirkee</p>
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		<title>By: American Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310058</link>
		<dc:creator>American Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No big deal though as I recall.&quot;

It IS a big deal NN. Someone is paying the price.
Healthcare is not being delivered on the cheap - and it is not free. As for you &quot;not noticing&quot; anyone who doesn&#039;t pay attention to payroll deductions being withheld from their paycheck, really is not qualified to speak on such an important subject.

Chas, if you believe you will get something for nothing, you are going to be very disappointed.
There really is no money tree. And please, refrain from posting about the US Debt ever again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No big deal though as I recall.&#8221;</p>
<p>It IS a big deal NN. Someone is paying the price.<br />
Healthcare is not being delivered on the cheap &#8211; and it is not free. As for you &#8220;not noticing&#8221; anyone who doesn&#8217;t pay attention to payroll deductions being withheld from their paycheck, really is not qualified to speak on such an important subject.</p>
<p>Chas, if you believe you will get something for nothing, you are going to be very disappointed.<br />
There really is no money tree. And please, refrain from posting about the US Debt ever again.</p>
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		<title>By: American Way</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310054</link>
		<dc:creator>American Way</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Where basics are provided by universal coverage&quot;

Don&#039;t hold your breath waiting for that Sursum, it isn&#039;t going to happen.  Not only are all the candidates getting campaign funds from a myriad of healthcare providers - but so are most members of Congress.

And why would they change?

Of the 300,000,000 Americans, some are saying 49,000,000 don&#039;t have health insurance. This figure is the highest those suggesting universal (socialized) medicine can try to alarm us with. But reality is something less than that. For instance, that 49 million includes illegal aliens. That&#039;s a big chunk. But it also includes Americans who HAVE access to health insurance - but elect NOT to pay for it. There does remain a few million that are too poor to pay.

However, let&#039;s keep the democrats 49 million just for the sake of argument (even though it is inflated for fear factoring).

That means that of the 300 million Americans, there are 251,000,000 of us who HAVE health insurance. That&#039;s like 83 percent of Americans have coverage.

No one is going to throw out the present healthcare system, to satisfy problems a small minority that is less than 17 percent of the population (including illegals).

The crying and whining are falling on deaf ears.

However, from what I HAVE seen, I believe a few of the candidates will MANDATE, that those on the lower end be FORCED to participate in health insurance plans 1) if available with your employer 2) some national plan.  In other words, the government will force you to pay. That&#039;s what&#039;s being proposed. Sorta like the Feds just did with 401K&#039;s. They forced employers to automatically enroll new hires (they must decline in writing to stop it).

Great idea and it will cut the rolls of those who trully need help.

But for me, and MOST Americans, the government will leave what is not broken alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where basics are provided by universal coverage&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath waiting for that Sursum, it isn&#8217;t going to happen.  Not only are all the candidates getting campaign funds from a myriad of healthcare providers &#8211; but so are most members of Congress.</p>
<p>And why would they change?</p>
<p>Of the 300,000,000 Americans, some are saying 49,000,000 don&#8217;t have health insurance. This figure is the highest those suggesting universal (socialized) medicine can try to alarm us with. But reality is something less than that. For instance, that 49 million includes illegal aliens. That&#8217;s a big chunk. But it also includes Americans who HAVE access to health insurance &#8211; but elect NOT to pay for it. There does remain a few million that are too poor to pay.</p>
<p>However, let&#8217;s keep the democrats 49 million just for the sake of argument (even though it is inflated for fear factoring).</p>
<p>That means that of the 300 million Americans, there are 251,000,000 of us who HAVE health insurance. That&#8217;s like 83 percent of Americans have coverage.</p>
<p>No one is going to throw out the present healthcare system, to satisfy problems a small minority that is less than 17 percent of the population (including illegals).</p>
<p>The crying and whining are falling on deaf ears.</p>
<p>However, from what I HAVE seen, I believe a few of the candidates will MANDATE, that those on the lower end be FORCED to participate in health insurance plans 1) if available with your employer 2) some national plan.  In other words, the government will force you to pay. That&#8217;s what&#8217;s being proposed. Sorta like the Feds just did with 401K&#8217;s. They forced employers to automatically enroll new hires (they must decline in writing to stop it).</p>
<p>Great idea and it will cut the rolls of those who trully need help.</p>
<p>But for me, and MOST Americans, the government will leave what is not broken alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310028</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,  NN...  My  health insurance premium here  for  a Major Medical plan runs  about  $550  per month...   Big  difference,  eh??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,  NN&#8230;  My  health insurance premium here  for  a Major Medical plan runs  about  $550  per month&#8230;   Big  difference,  eh??</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310024</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks much  NN...  good information...  But,  alas,  the  Blog Disrupters  will  likely  call you a  liar,  or  tell you  that you  must  be  totally  mistaken...  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks much  NN&#8230;  good information&#8230;  But,  alas,  the  Blog Disrupters  will  likely  call you a  liar,  or  tell you  that you  must  be  totally  mistaken&#8230;  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: NN</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310014</link>
		<dc:creator>NN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas: I hesitate to get into healthcare discussions in the US, but my wife and I are retired and we pay $250.00 each per annum expressed as taxation entry item calculated when we do our filing. I don&#039;t know about premiums because when I was working it just came off my paycheck, and I never really bothered to figure it out. No big deal though as I recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas: I hesitate to get into healthcare discussions in the US, but my wife and I are retired and we pay $250.00 each per annum expressed as taxation entry item calculated when we do our filing. I don&#8217;t know about premiums because when I was working it just came off my paycheck, and I never really bothered to figure it out. No big deal though as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/open-thread-39/#comment-310006</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 01:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe  there  could  be  a  few million  mental  lobotomies  performed....   SHOW  the  idiots  that  they are full of  bovine  fecal  material...  I mean  actually  PROVE  it  to  them  ---  Too bad  more  of  the  DNC  cant  seem  to  help out  with  that  project...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe  there  could  be  a  few million  mental  lobotomies  performed&#8230;.   SHOW  the  idiots  that  they are full of  bovine  fecal  material&#8230;  I mean  actually  PROVE  it  to  them  &#8212;  Too bad  more  of  the  DNC  cant  seem  to  help out  with  that  project&#8230;</p>
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