The California, the test scores, achievement level and spelling bee standings of home school students may have gone too high and might have been causing too much embarrassment to the California’s Department of Education BECAUSE, On February 28, 2008, a California Appeals Court ruled that almost all forms of home schooling in California are in violation of state law. We just can not have normal parents doing a better job at educating their own children. This must be stopped. They are no better than the other children whose parents don’t care about their child’s education. Kansas should follow suit or we will soon have home schooled student showing how bad our public school system has become. THIS MUST NOT HAPPED – OUTLAW HOME SCHOOLING NOW!!!
Some of you - Max, Hank, some others - will appreciate this. Freaking hilarious. And frankly, unfortunately, not that far off the site they are parodying.
Why do I have a feeling that the California Appeals Court decision that Right Angle discussed involved “home schools” that aren’t really home schools? That is, it isn’t the parents of the students doing the home schooling, but there are others involved as teachers. If, and I’m speculating wildly here, there are others than the parents teaching, then that isn’t really a home school; instead, it is some form of a private school, and, as such, the teachers, other than the parents themselves, would need to meet the California statutes governing private schools.
All this is without the benefit of reading the opinion. I’d be glad to read the opinion, if someone would provide a cite, and, if I’m incorrect in my speculation, I’ll say so.
A clear short news story regarding the California home school decision. Apparently, the case was filed by a student who claimed he was abused in home school by his father.
Ha, ha. You can’t beat them at home if they are in school?
According to the news reports I have seen, the judges were just following the law as written in the state of California. As much as I believe that the homeschoolers should have the ability to do so, I also beleive that they should follow the law. I believe the law should be changed. Until it is, then they need to send their kids to either a private or public school, with accredited teachers, according to the law. Homeschooling can be good or bad. I have known students that hav excelled in that environment, because they had parents that truly were interested in their kids being educated. They had regular school hours, they had enrichment essxperiences such as visiting a television studio for 1/2 day and learn how the news was put together. They have done many things. The local homeschoolers associaiton has sports teams available, etc. IT IS HARD WORK! I have also known students who didn;t learn crap from the local public schools. Especially in California, where the public schools are atrocious, but the higher education system is excellent. Finally, I have known homeschooled students who were simply left behind, as their parents really weren;t interested in education their children, but had a beef with the local school system. No one size fits all case can be made. I would suggest that homeschoolers be allowed to continue, but that the children must be evaluated on at least a yearly basis, and if they do not do as well as their peers, then they must be returned to either public or private schools.
“The bad news is that mileage is to and from the bathroom!”
heheh Gster. True enough, and spoken like someone over 50 who frequently asks themselves, “when did I start to drink one but pee two?”
Dont forget to factor in the trips to the beer fridge too, unless one has the forsight to place the cooler with ice and beer close to the recliner…
Hee hee hee.
I’m reminded of a Rita Rudner line when she said “why is it that women reach their sexual peak at an age when men discover they have a favorite chair?”
All this is without the benefit of reading the opinion. I’d be glad to read the opinion, if someone would provide a cite, and, if I’m incorrect in my speculation, I’ll say so.
Vaughn Tolle
Posted March 7, 2008 at 9:15 am
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For your information, Vaughn Tolle
littlejohn, it would appear from the linked piece that California has not enacted statutory authority for home schools. The appellate court found no Constitutional right to home school, thus the decision. It is interesting that the case began as the result of alleged parental abuse of one of his children.
I’ve got a bit of a problem with the home school associations that sponsor athletics. IMO, if one home schools ones children, then each home school is a separate school, and each school should have its own teams limited to the enrollment of the school. Of course, as you all know, I don’t think competitive interscholastic athletics should be a part of schools at all, preferring the European system of “town teams”.
“WASHINGTON - Employers slashed 63,000 jobs in February, the most in five years and the starkest sign yet that the country is heading dangerously toward recession or is in one already.”
I bought 3 of those Pocket Rockets. Not that I like em that much, but I keep leaving them in my pocket and they get lost in the wash.
Not much for muzzle energy, but they are dead-on accurate.
The Pocket Rocket revolver is ok. I hear they are developing a high-capicty semi-auto Pocket Rocket pistol. Can’t wait to try that one out. You can keep your spare mags in a pill box.
Piling on a bit; link below, in addition to the job cuts WS mentioned, explains the drop in the unemployment rate to 4.8% due to 450,000 leaving the labor market.
Clearly, from the opinion, California does not recognize home schooling as an exemption from its compulsory attendance laws. The closest I could discern was the exemption based upon private tutoring by a person holding the required educational credentials, a “licensed teacher”. The parents in the case appear to have been trying an end run around the law by enrolling the two younger children in a “charter school”, but the opinion points out these children did not actually attend the said school, but received instruction from the mother at home, a “non-credentialed” person.
So, my speculation above was incorrect. The case decision appears to be squarely based upon the California compulsory education statutes; the parents failed to show they met any exemption thereto through their home schooling activities. The interesting thing, to me, is that there exists at least one prior case dealing with the statutes in question, and after the decision in that case was announced, the California legislature took no action to amend the compulsory attendance law to allow for home schooling in the sense I believe most of us think that term means, i.e., schooling of children at home by the parent(s).
“WASHINGTON - Employers slashed 63,000 jobs in February, the most in five years and the starkest sign yet that the country is heading dangerously toward recession or is in one already.”
Looking more and more like when Clinton was leaving office and left a recession in progress for George to get us out of.
I can;t tell if they article was in earnest worrying about it’s muzzle energy. 7 % of an air rifle’s muzzle energy is squat. Of course, I guess If I held it up to your eye, it could do some real damage.
“I can;t tell if they article was in earnest worrying about it’s muzzle energy”
Read much of the rest of the blog, LJ. The authors tongue is firmly and deeply in cheek. That it is not immediately obvious reflects on just how outrageously silly so many of the real anti-gun groups’ claims are.
That’s why I said it’s unfortunately not that far off the sites they are parodying.
Is there not a SCOTUS decision on homeschooling? It’s a fairly old one; I’m thinking Pierce v. Society of Sisters but my memory may fail me. If I have time later today, I may try to look it up. righ now, I barely have time to kinda follow along with the discussion.
GMC, the Cal Ct. discusses Pierce in its decision. Good memory there, sir; until I read the Cal. opinion, I’d forgotten about the Pierce case. Given the tenor of the article, I had thought about Yoder, not Pierce.
Good role model example for sex offenders everywhere. Door King, please take note:
WEBSTER CITY — Shawn Mofle was found dead from an apparent suicide Thursday before a scheduled arraignment.
Mofle, 41, a former Webster City Middle School seventh-grade boys basketball coach, was scheduled to appear in federal court in Sioux City on eight counts of producing child pornography and two counts of possessing child pornography.
For those following along; Pierce v. Society of Sisters to which GMC and I refer is a SCOTUS case, opinion delivered in 1925, dealing with the then-new Oregon compulsory attendance law. Essentially, the goal of the new law was to eliminate private (really, parochial) schools as a means of educating students; there were other alternatives given for compliance with the compulsory attendance law, one of which was “home schooling” under the supervision of the County Superintendent of Schools. SCOTUS held the same unconstitutional, not on First Amendment grounds, but rather on Fourteenth Amendment grounds.
This case was cited in the California case referred to by Right Angle in his initial post on the subject. In reading the California decision, one finds that in a prior case, Pierce had been applied by the California Court of Appeals to uphold the California compulsory attendance laws. The basis for this, (from memory) was that Pierce held that unless there was an alternative provided, a compulsory attendance law that mandated attendance of students only at public schools was unconstitutional. The California law does provide alternatives, e.g., private school; credentialed tutors; such that the same is not violative of the decision in Pierce.
In the present case, the California Court of Appeals applied its prior decision in finding as it did that there was no constitutional right to home school, and that the home schooling in issue violated the California compulsory attendance law.
I now return those of you still awake to your regularly scheduled programming. :-)
There should be requirements for homeschooling, but absolutely never banned. I think each parent should prove their cirriculum and allow for SOME interaction with other students at the school.
There are some very good reasons to homeschool, and then there are some very bad reasons to homeschool. Some use it to keep their kids too sheltered and indoctrinated into their biblically pure little world. Some use it to cover up abuse. Some do it simply because they feel their child has better educational opportunities, and some do it because their children are disabled and not being treated appropriately. Sometimes bullying can prompt a child to seek refuge at homeschool.
I seriously doubt the homeschooling people are agoing to allow this to pass.
What is wrong with raising your children by teaching them about the bible and Christianity?
You reveal your true intentions now.
You simply don’t like the fact that certain parents would rather teach their children at home where they can learn about faith and get a regular education.
“Some use it to keep their kids too sheltered and indoctrinated into their biblically pure little world.” Political_mama
Posted March 7, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
Who would say such crap? Ever hear of Freedom of Religion? FREEDOM is no longer a priority for most Libs. Judgemental jack-booted libs. Heil!
For being a country based on freedom, there seems to be nothing free about having the State force Children to go to a public or private school with state appoved teachers.
What if a parent can’t afford a costly provate school and doesn’t want their child in a government school where many times they don’t agree with the curriculum?
Are the police going to come arrest the parents and take their children away to the government school?
What backwards world do we live in where we would allow that to happen? Oh yeah, I forgot we were talking about California.
Meanwhile, the Eagle Editors and everyone else will start a riot if someone even mentions an investigation into an abortion clinic breaking the law…
Why should there be requirements? It’s not our business. If that is what the parents want, so what? I thought p mom was all about people minding their own.
They want requirements to make sure that the same curriculum which is taught at public school is forced to be taught at home as well.
Which would then completely make having home school pointless figuring most have home school because they don’t like or agree with the curriculum at the public schools to begin with!
Nathan, California offers a third option, according to the decision; employment of credentialed tutors.
As you will recall, the case in California began as a juvenile matter involving allegations of child abuse made against the father by the older son. It then blossomed into what we have been discussing.
Speaking of which, the two younger daughters were “enrolled” at a charter school, although they did not attend classes there but were taught at home by the non-credentialed mother. Surely, if the school was good enough for the children to be enrolled there, they could attend classes there.
The unfortunate part of this case, and I feel it is an unfortunate case, is that the juvenile authorities, as nearly as I can establish from reading the opinion, have the authority to and will enroll the children in a public school.
From a very broad perspective, I believe a state has a valid interest in seeing that the children of the state receive an education. I also believe that parents should have an option to home school their children. Where I suspect many will disagree with me is that such option to home school be subject to reasonable requirements, including the students sitting for assessments administered by the State or authorized third party (ITBS, SAT[Stanford Achievement Test], MAP test) annually to ensure at least a “basic” education is being received. I also believe that home schooling should be home schooling by the parent(s), and that if anyone is instructing the child(ren) other than one or both of the parents, that other person be credentialed as a teacher. There should be such records kept as reflects time in school and that the courses required by the state of students are taken, with a report made annually to the state.
Last week at a St. Louis Planned Parenthood abortion mill, a 16-year-old girl was the victim of an attempted coerced abortion by her mother and aunt, and only escaped the contract killing by calling 911 on her cell phone. Police were obliged to arrest the aunt. You can pretty well know which side was being taken by Planned Parenthood’s greed-crazed abortionist quacks.
Tougher coerced abortion laws are being worked by the Missouri legislators at present, as Planned Parenthood again sues to oppose informed consent.
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The American Center for Law and Justice has launched a nationwide petition drive to cut all taxpayer funding to Planned Parenthood, including millions in federal funding to family planning programs through Title X of the Public Health Service Act.
We don’t need to use America’s busiest abortionist, who is also busy targeting the black population for elimination and promoting illegal porn for underage children, for any family planning programs.
See online petition page (with printable copies) https://www.aclj.org/Petition/Default.aspx?sc=3326&ac=1
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“I was 14 yrs old when I was coerced into having an abortion. The doctor lied to me at Planned Parenthood and told me my 2nd trimester baby was just a mass of flesh floating around my womb and they were going to stick a vacuum up me and suck the baby out! Doctors should have to tell the patient the method used in the abortion from start to finish. They did not tell me that my baby would feel pain, or that the baby would first be cut up into pieces before the doctor sucked it out. I found this out after the abortion from looking at an abortion booth at a fair. I could not look at myself in the mirror. I had self-loathing after this knowledge. I was addicted to heroin, alcohol and other drugs for the past 30 years. Trying to mask what I had done to my baby. I am clean and sober now, but my life has been hell since that awful abortion ruined my entire life. I cannot have children; I had to have my fallopian tubes removed because of infections caused from the abortion.”
. . . Cathie, another past victim of Planned Parenthood
Funny thing is — I had a neighbor in Ohio who home schooled his kids, because of a different reason, supposedly, than religion… I say supposedly because of his underlying reason…
He didnt want his kids to be educated along with those, who in his somewhat warped opinion, were not fully human… He didnt believe that Blacks are created by God as fully human… He wasnt a real church fanatic, but he did have his moments…
The problem is that even a credentialed tutor can be and most likely is very costly and expensive.
As with most things, this would leave only the super elite and rich people the option to homeschool.
Imagine that.
It amazes me that the party which touts it is for the little guy always excludes the little guy from the ability to do anything other than what the government mandated.
Not to turn this into a gun issue, but I can draw this issue into a wide variety of subjects.
I can understand there being some testing, but even then, look at all the problems with the current testing being used by the government.
The entire point, for alot of people, in homeschooling is to keep from subjecting their children to what they see as a failing government education system.
Now you want to use those standards to harrass the parents homeschooling their Children?
If the issue is about abuse, then leave it at that.
There are ample laws on the books which target abuse and use those.
This is just more intrusion into the private lives of people by the government in my opinion.
I was 14 yrs old when I was coerced into having an abortion. The doctor lied to me at Planned Parenthood and told me my 2nd trimester baby was just a mass of flesh floating around my womb and they were going to stick a vacuum up me and suck the baby out! Doctors should have to tell the patient the method used in the abortion from start to finish. They did not tell me that my baby would feel pain, or that the baby would first be cut up into pieces before the doctor sucked it out. I found this out after the abortion from looking at an abortion booth at a fair. I could not look at myself in the mirror. I had self-loathing after this knowledge. I was addicted to heroin, alcohol and other drugs for the past 30 years. Trying to mask what I had done to my baby. I am clean and sober now, but my life has been hell since that awful abortion ruined my entire life. I cannot have children; I had to have my fallopian tubes removed because of infections caused from the abortion.”
Why do the editors of the WE blogs allow this filth to be posted, but blanch at any discussion of sex?
“Their infants shall be dashed in pieces and their women with child shall be ripped up.” -God
I’ve had Antis tell me that women were getting late term abortions at a local clinic that didn’t provide late term abortions. Also, it was said the women were being given Rh-86, which doesn’t exist. Once I was told that I “murdered” my baby because my ex-girlfriend had a miscarriage. Antis tell strange stories and Parkay isn’t credible but we shouldn’t expect the lies to stop because fundies have no morals and lying for their agenda is considered acceptable to them.
Nathan, that (disagreement with curriculum) is why I suggested ITBS, et.al for appropriate assessments. The ones with which I’m familiar don’t get into the areas of curriculum which are “touchy”, for lack of a better term.
On the tutor; yes, expensive, no doubt. Again, though, at least the two younger girls were enrolled at a “charter school” that appeared to meet state requirements, which, as you know, are generally relaxed in a charter school situation, thus my point about their attending classes there.
I agree that there are laws on the books about abuse; enforcement of the same does result in appropriate cases removal of the child(ren) from the home, with the state becoming the “parent”. One result of this is that any child so under the care of the state will be in public school.
“Fleeing from the police after a liquor store robbery, two armed felons just burst into your kid’s school. There are two fourth-grade classrooms. The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband. The other teacher is a former college hacky-sack champion and a veteran of several anti-war demonstrations in DC. He is having an affair with a middle-school student, and he conceals a stash of marijuana in his jockey shorts. Which classroom would you prefer your 9-year old to be in?”
“The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband.”
I’d just as soon not have such a brazen law breaker teaching kids.
Going by the above I would venture that it would be O.K. to again breech the topic of how sex laws in the U.S. are affecting our burgeoning prison population?
The two winners of the 2008 presidential election: fear and war
by Larry Chin
Global Research, March 7, 2008
Online Journal
The 2008 US presidential charade has already been decided. Come November, the next White House occupant (who will be installed via political malfeasance, computer vote theft and other election “irregularities”) will be the puppet who proves to be the most effective in echoing Bush-Cheney’s “war on terrorism” lies, and expanding the Bush-Cheney “national security” agenda.
The American populace will bow to the “next Bush” who will “keep them safe” from “Islamic jihadists.” Facing a new and increasingly brutal regime (probably under McCain), many brain-addled Americans will be stunned that “it is happening all over again,” oblivious to the fact that their own acquiescence helped make it possible.
Washington’s bipartisan consensus “war on terrorism” deception
Amply demonstrated by the rhetoric of each of the prospective US presidential candidates, the “terrorism” lie is also the key to the election. The candidates know that the ill-informed US population remains petrified, and still thoroughly manipulated by fear of “another 9/11.”
As exhaustively detailed by Michel Chossudovsky, author of America’s “War on Terrorism,” and in “Washington’s consensus al-Qaeda deception”, the “war on terrorism” deception is a manipulation supported by an elite consensus, and a cover-up promoted equally by Washington’s political factions and both Republican and Democratic parties.
This myth, which rests on the perpetual fabricated threat of an outside enemy, has been the key to the power wielded by Bush-Cheney. It remains at the core of every official and unofficial decision made by this criminal regime, and its complicit bipartisan Washington partners. The “terrorist” threat to the US homeland, and its many propaganda variations, are now embedded fixations in the American psyche, reinforced by endless corporate media bombast.
The Washington consensus has remained united behind the lies and cover-up of 1) the atrocities of 9/11, a US-led false flag operation, 2) the fact that “Al-Qaeda” is an Anglo-American military-intelligence covert operation, and 3) the use of “anti-terrorism” as a pretext to invade and conquer Afghanistan and Iraq, and its use as the justification for future war across the Middle East and Central Asia, Africa, and other vital geostrategic regions.
Which candidate will be the most effective mass murderer?
Clinton, McCain and Obama are backed by hawkish national security teams headed by some of the world’s master war criminals (Kissinger, Brzezinski, Albright, etc.).These elite connections, and their ramifications, which promise the deepening of the war, remain unaddressed and ignored.
John McCain is deeply corrupt and ruthless — the perfect extension of Bush-Cheney. McCain’s participation in the 1980s savings and loan scandal, as a member of the infamous Keating Five, is a matter of historical fact. Also a matter of record are McCain’s brutal views on war and killing, which are best exemplified by his 2001 op-ed, War is Hell. Now Let’s Get On With It.
Despite their inexplicable reputations as liberals, Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, are now locked in a bitter and destructive struggle over who is the more Bush/Cheney-esque; who is the superior “anti-terrorist” and protector of “American security.”
Clinton and Obama have both repeated the same slippery and all too familiar “war on terrorism” deceptions favored by the elite neoliberal faction:
“The Bush administration has failed to fight the ‘real war on terrorism’ begun after 9/11.”
“Mismanagement and blunders of the war in Iraq have created radical jihadist insurgencies that will the destroy the United States.”
“The Iraq mistake has distracted us from fighting the ‘real’ war on terrorism.”
“We should declare war on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which harbor the real ‘terrorists’ who attacked us on 9/11.”
“The Iraq distraction has prevented us from capturing Osama.”
“The world was united after 9/11, but Bush squandered it all.”
Other variations popular with the Clinton and Obama camps include:
“Al-Qaeda is reforming in Afghanistan, because of Bush policy failures, and must be dealt with.”
“Iran has become increasingly radical and dangerous because of Bush’s Iraq policy, and now must be dealt with.”
Both Clinton and Obama repeat bald-faced lies about “bringing troops home,” when it is clear that their agenda will do neither. US bases in Iraq are permanent. Some troops could be redeployed, but the US geostrategic foothold in the region is permanent — and they know it.
Both enthusiastically support war waged under the NATO banner, the US-backed Kosovo criminal apparatus (created by the Bill Clinton administration), and other atrocities.
In a telling exchange during a recent debate, Clinton and Obama each kissed the feet (and other body parts) of the powerful AIPAC war lobby, declaring Israel and Israeli security “sacrosanct,” leaving no doubt that a presidency under either of them promises a continuation of genocidal Middle East policy.
The gutter tactics of Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton’s recent primary victories in Texas and Ohio were the result of gutter politics directly out of the Karl Rove playbook. Clinton has stooped to every trick in this book, and the most below-belt attacks and open lies in recent memory.
Clinton’s penchant for fear-mongering is exemplified by the now-infamous “Red Phone” Ad. In this malodorous work, endorsed by the right wing and hailed as a smashing success by venal Clinton strategists, Obama’s ability to deal with a 3 a.m. “international security” crisis is called into question.
Here again, the 9/11 “terrorism” lie is placed front and center, obliterating every other issue.
The peevish Clintons are so hungry for power, that they destroy the Democratic Party, and hand the White House to the Republicans and Bush-Cheney-McCain, to achieve their objective. Clearly, the beneficiaries are the Republicans, and Bush-Cheney-McCain.
It is also no surprise that Clinton’s Texas and Ohio success was assisted by orchestrated conniving by right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh. Armed with the certainty that McCain is already the Republican nominee, Limbaugh and other fanatical right-wingers swarmed to cast votes for Clinton in “cross-over” states. Limbaugh’s stated goal was to “bloody up” Obama (perceived by the right wing to be more liberal and more dangerous), force the Democrats deeper into self-destruction “for fun,” making a McCain victory that much more certain.
This is not the first time Clinton has benefited from shenanigans (and Republican help), nor will it be the last. Her New Hampshire primary results were manipulated, giving her a surprise victory despite exit polls favoring Obama by big margins. Clinton has continued to bully and intimidate her peers in the Congress (her “super delegates”), and force the Democratic Party into giving her delegates from Florida and Michigan, despite the party’s rules that do not permit delegates from those uncontested states.
Of course, it is no coincidence that criminal activity saves a Clinton or a Bush every time one faces political defeat. The political and criminal connection that the Clinton faction shares with the Bushes is a matter of historical fact, going back to their criminal activities in Arkansas. The Bush-Clinton milieu has cooperatively ruled the United States for decades.
In fact, a McCain-Clinton ticket, with Jeb Bush and other intelligence-connected neocons in their administration, would offer the most honest representation of what the American empire really is.
Obama’s support for war and death squads
Despite his stirring rhetoric, razor sharp intellect and immensely appealing persona, Barack Obama’s foreign policy agenda is virtually identical to that of Bush-Cheney-McCain and Clinton, including his approach to the “war on terrorism.” The differences in nuance, over which a bitter campaign is being fought, are slight.
Obama has repeated his earlier promise to take unilateral military action to “take out terrorists” anywhere in the world, where “actionable intelligence” identifies terrorists, and governments (where these terrorists are found) fail to act. This is no different than existing Bush-Cheney policy. In a recent debate, Obama stated that he would send troops back into Iraq (after a hypothetical pullout) if, hypothetically, “Al-Qaeda reforms in Iraq.”
As reported by Jeremy Scahill, author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Largest Mercenary Army, Obama has even expressed support for continuing to outsource war-related activities to Blackwater USA. This itself should eliminate any notion that Obama is in any way “antiwar,” or anti-criminality.
An Obama presidency would offer a soothing and momentary illusion of false hope to many Americans.
But if recent events are any indication, even false hopes will be squashed, well before a national election contest begins.
Every election in modern US history has been a criminal manipulation, choreographed and rigged by political elites and performed by handpicked elite puppets, each backed by their teams of corrupt war criminals, intelligence/security “advisors” and think tank assets. The 2008 affair will be no different.
It is still a fact that corporations (primarily connected to the Republican political apparatus) control the American vote, and with increasing technological sophistication: Diebold, ESS, Sequoia, and SAIC. In fact, new generations of their machines will be used in 2008.
Democratic Party “war on terrorism” complicity in Congress
In activities paralleling the red herrings bandied about by the presidential campaigns, the bipartisan consensus in the US Congress is demonstrating (again) that it is will not act to stop Bush-Cheney on domestic surveillance. Congressional Democrats are also unable to muster meager opposition of any kind to Bush-Cheney’s Iraq war.
The Iraq Redeployment Act, pushed by Senator Russ Feingold, is a perfect example of Democratic Party ignorance and complicity. Feingold’s bill limits funding, except for “hunting Al-Qaeda terrorists,” and for “training Iraqi troops to fight Al-Qaeda.”
Given that the “hunt for Al-Qaeda” has been the eternal bipartisan consensus pretext for US geostrategy, and given that “Al-Qaeda” is blamed for the host of Iraq problems (including, but not limited to, “insurgencies”), the Feingold bill essentially accommodates continued funding for eternal war.
The Feingold bill, like the rest of Democratic Party’s “war on terrorism” rhetoric is the definition of a zero-sum charade.
The presidential campaign to hell
Without an end to the “terrorism” lie, there will be no end to the “war on terrorism.”
Given the intensity with which this lie is being wielded by Clinton, McCain and Obama, and with the Anglo-American empire’s very survival at stake, clearly there will be no end to war, no matter who is the next White House occupant.
Perhaps the hacky-sack player has a relationship with a home-schooled middle schooler, in which case the relationship could be perfectly legal, age-wise.
“The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband.”
I’d just as soon not have such a brazen law breaker teaching kids.
Fleeing from the police after a liquor store robbery and willing to do whatever it takes to avoid returning to prison, two armed felons burst into a shopping center. In one store, out of 30-35 customers in the store, two are carrying concealed, legally, after taking required training and supplementing that with regular practice, both at a static range and in timed IDPA shooting events under stress.
At the other store, the 30-35 customers are carefully protected by a sticker on the door barring the carrying of firearms in the store. The sticker, of course, has had no training.
GMC — if you note carefully, JR does not make reference to the Army Captain…. He just quotes from the previous post… I am NOT dense… I CAN read… it seems to be a requirement for earning two Masters degrees!!
It is pointless. The Anti-Gun people like Chas will not answer the question. They know how absurd their answer would be less they agree to something like supporting guns so they will not answer.
Heckler - 1st and 3rd Sundays each month, at Bullseye (just off 13th and Oliver). 5:30 pm, matches start at 6:00. Im there when I can get there; it’s not always possible, but I try. And it’s often humbling how much that adrenelin running, because it’s timed competition, makes a difference. That is why those who carry NEED that extra practice and training.
With all due respect, Chas, I see little evidence of that. It takes either substantial lack of reading comprehension skills, or willful blindness, to reach the conclusion you reached. Which would it be?
OK GMC… WHERE in your shopping center scenario do the customers in the store KNOW that anybody is carrying concealed???
Where did I not deal with your question???
And as for Shopping Center security… Are you assuming that there is NONE available?? And that they would not see two armed fugitives enter the Center???
Again, where did I not deal with your question??? I am simply pointing out the obvious…
Again… IF your two well trained, and legally CC folks are carrying CONCEALED… which of the customers would even KNOW that information??? Your question assumes that the customers KNOW who is carrying concealed…. and who isnt….
Hey, its your case scenario….
I think your point is that since nobody knows for sure, tthe customers are safer in the store where they are…
However, who is to say that a CC person would willfully stay out of the store with the No Gun sticker on the window… since they are… wait for it…. carrying CONCEALED…. Again, WHO would know???
1) the other customers WOULDN’T know, until the CC holders drew. Neither would the bad guys. That, of course, is exactly the point. Duh.
2) CC holders will not go into the posted store, at least not carrying. They obey the law; otherwise, they could not have obtained the CC permit. Duh again.
There are none so blind as the willfully stupid. . . .
I wish I had the time.(and coin) The very reasons I need to be better at that type of shooting, my wife and kids, are the reason I don’t have the time and money to do it. Maybe when the youngest starts school and my wife doesnt need as much relief from the sweet little monster.
The conclusion I reached, GMC… is quite obvious… if you take off your blinders… I did NOT make the assumption that the Army Captain was breaking any laws… as JR now says he assumed…
THEREFORE… since the only lawbreaker I saw in the case scenario presented was the screwball teacher with the middle school girlfriend, and the dope in his shorts… AND since JR’s reference was to a blazen LAW BREAKER…. my conclusion based on facts presented was that JR is referring to the doper teacher…. NOT the Army Captain…
Now, what in the hell is your problem with that, mr. prosecutor???
And JR, it’s clear you operate in the “nothing bad can happen to me” pollyanna world, rather than the real one.
You do own a fire extinguisher? Why? A smoke alarm? Why? A house fire’s odds of happening in any particular home is quite unlikely, yet you have those things, I’d wager. Because we know that indeed bad things happen, and we need to prepare for that possibility.
The point of a Hypothetical question is that it is a Hypothetical question.
GMC70 was not asking you about what the customers in the store might think.
Where would you want to be? You are outside of the question looking in. You know that someone is carrying concealed because the question tells you that.
Going on about how you wouldn’t know if someone was carrying concealed in the store is a purposeful evasion of simply answering the question.
Chas - apologies may be due. However, given your chosen “ally,” and the blatently illogical reading you assigned to Pollyanna’s response, well . . you’re judged by the company you keep, and those you parrot.
Nathan — CC is now the law in many states…
IF a school district has LICENSED CC teachers on the faculty, perhaps there needs to be some flexibility to allow those faculty members to carry concealed…
And, Nathan, I understand hypothetical… And if I recall, the hypothetical asked IF you were one of those customers which store would you want to be in… Ummmm those “customers” are NOT aware of who is, or is not, carrying concealed…
If you really don’t get it, Chas, no amount of showing will do any good.
As you yourself said, Chas, ya can’t fix stupid. I earlier gave you the benefit of the doubt on crediting “willfull blindness” over “lack of reading comprehension” (by a nose, however) for your lack of basic understanding.
I’m afraid I’ll have to reconsider that evaluation . . .
“the blatently illogical reading…” GMC… JR posted the quotation concerning the Army Captain… As far as I could tell (gun free zone not taken into consideration) I could see nothing about the Army Captain that would be even close to being a law breaker…
When JR says he would not want to see such a blazened law breaker as a teacher, it seemed to ME, that JR was obviously talking about the Doper teacher…
AGAIN, read carefully… I was NOT seeing the Army Captain as being a law breaker by carrying concealed (and not sure that he WAS a law breaker in the school district he was in)
However, I am not sure why the hypothetical made such a big thing about said “teacher” being a former hacky sack champion… You ever try that thing??? It isnt terribly easy to do!!
With my deadly ninja skills, the shuriken thrust from my crouched position will plant itself firmly in the jugular of the criminal, causing him to pass out.
“…I was NOT seeing the Army Captain as being a law breaker by carrying concealed (and not sure that he WAS a law breaker in the school district he was in)”
Chas - I don’t know; willfully blind is still in there . . .
Shall I capitalize the words which are the dead giveaway, even to someone with Two Master’s Degrees? And this is the last time I’m getting into this. The rest of the world has long since figured this one out, but you just keep handing on.
Aside from the nic, this is the response, in it’s entirity:
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“The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband.”
I’d just as soon not have SUCH [caps mine] a brazen law breaker teaching kids.
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Any questions? Still struggling with comprehension? Be careful, ignorance is gaining on willfull blinidness!
This thread has spoken volumes about you, Chas. And it’s not pretty. Give it up with some semblence of dignity left.
“The Democratic National Committee ended 2007 nearly flat broke, with cash of $2.9 million and debts of $2.2 million. Since then it has raised some money, paid down debt and managed to put $3.7 million in its piggy bank. This compares, however, with $25 million that the Republican National Committee has in cash on hand, after having raised $97 million since the beginning of 2007.”
aND SO gmc — YOU AVOID MY QUESTION Is the reader one of those 30 - 35 customers in your store scenario or not??
And aside from your insertion of CAPS in JR’s post, you didnt prove anything… Not ONE DAMNED thing!! JR simply did not identify which one of the teaches was the law breaker… Just as I hinted at before!!
Meanwhile, back in Iraq; They are experiencing their worst violence in nine months. (Closes eyes and chants Surge is working,Surge is working, Surge is…
Bush promises to veto bill banning CIA from doing what they don’t do, waterboarding! I see the game plan, bush vetoes, McCain leads a hurclean effort and gets enough republicans to override!
“Some of the 10 men arrested Thursday at an adult video store exposed themselves to undercover police officers and groped them, Wichita police said Friday afternoon.
An undercover sting operation at Vegas Video, 8323 W. Kellogg, resulted in the arrests of 10 men on suspicion of various morals crimes, including sexual battery, public nudity and lewd and lascivious behavior.”
never fails… libs link to worldnetdaily, and they call it junk… cons link to worldnetdaily, and its gospel truth… amazing!! Anyboy else notice that anomaly??
Besides, Hank… I dont believe I addressed you directly… Why do you feel some sort of compulsion to attack me?? For a post not directed to you?? A bit paranoid or something???
The number of fellow senators who think John McCain is psychologically unstable is large. Some will admit it publicly, like Thad Cochran who says, “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”
Others relate times when McCain screamed four-letter obscenities right in their faces in the Senate cloak room, like Dick Shelby, Rick Santorum or Jim Inhofe. “The man is unhinged,” one senator told me. “He is frighteningly unfit to be commander-in-chief.”
That John McCain is clinically nuts is scary enough. What worries a small group of GOP senators and congressmen even more is a deep and dark skeletal secret in McCain’s glorified past to which they are privy, and which the Clintons will use to blackmail him.
People who feel they need to carry a gun all the time are probably people out looking for a little self insurance to go out and be a jerk and be able to get away with it by flashing a gun.
When you’re paranoid. Maybe it’s because there is a reason people would be out to get you.
ANTI why would you attack me?? I said nothing to you… Oh, but excuse me, you are a right wing nut, so you can just attack anybody you want… AQnd you can try to slander me all you want… I hold degrees from three colleges/universities…. two in Kansas… one in Iowa… You can make fun of it… BUT, you cant change the FACT of it one bit… But you go ahead and try all you want… FACTS are FACTS… in spite of your feeble drivel!!
I am just amazed at you lack of comprehension on the thread earlier today. And when proven wrong you make all these crazy drawn out non-tangible explanations to try to justify yourself. But I will lay off the harsh criticism.
But ANTI — Can you not READ??? Nobody proved me wrong!! Not at all… And you cant do it either, so why not just shove it, and let it go?? You really dont want to start anything at this hour!!
You are one mentally ill sob if you can’t see that you were trying to back peddle and twist reason. It was as transparent as watching a child lie.
And My nic was ANTI JR and I told JR that I didn’t think it was fair to isolate him like that, so I removed the JR, you tool!
But, see, now you lie on top of your former false statements… I havent back peddaled at all… Not at all… Show any place where I back pedaled??? You cant do it!! That means you are just a lying flamer!! Just like ALWAYS, ANTI JR!!
I post a link to World Net Daily. The next post is by you with comments in direct response to my political persuasion and link. The next post is by you with a link to World Net Daily. A more ‘liberal’ link, so to speak. I pretty much agree with both links, yours and mine. In fact, there is more in my link that I have problem with than in yours.
This pretty much destroys your premise which therefore results in no anomaly.
Compulsion? Paranoid? Attack? Your choice of words are telling!
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The California, the test scores, achievement level and spelling bee standings of home school students may have gone too high and might have been causing too much embarrassment to the California’s Department of Education BECAUSE, On February 28, 2008, a California Appeals Court ruled that almost all forms of home schooling in California are in violation of state law. We just can not have normal parents doing a better job at educating their own children. This must be stopped. They are no better than the other children whose parents don’t care about their child’s education. Kansas should follow suit or we will soon have home schooled student showing how bad our public school system has become. THIS MUST NOT HAPPED – OUTLAW HOME SCHOOLING NOW!!!
I read that last week. Hitler outlawed home schooling too.
German home schoolers are flocking in droves to Great Britain these days to home school as well.
Scary.
It’s happening everywhere.
What sucks is that as goes California, so goes the rest of us.
Can’t have an educated population, just indoctrinated.
Some of you - Max, Hank, some others - will appreciate this. Freaking hilarious. And frankly, unfortunately, not that far off the site they are parodying.
http://vpcblog.wordpress.com/
Enjoy.
WALKING & BEER
A recent study found the average American walks about 900 miles per year.
Another study found Americans drink, on average, 22 gallons of beer a year.
That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon.
Kind of makes you PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, doesn’t it????
CHEERS!
Why do I have a feeling that the California Appeals Court decision that Right Angle discussed involved “home schools” that aren’t really home schools? That is, it isn’t the parents of the students doing the home schooling, but there are others involved as teachers. If, and I’m speculating wildly here, there are others than the parents teaching, then that isn’t really a home school; instead, it is some form of a private school, and, as such, the teachers, other than the parents themselves, would need to meet the California statutes governing private schools.
All this is without the benefit of reading the opinion. I’d be glad to read the opinion, if someone would provide a cite, and, if I’m incorrect in my speculation, I’ll say so.
Thanks for the comic relief AmWay!
Unfortunately, I am not getting that good of MPG.
RE:”That means, on average, Americans get about 41 miles to the gallon. ”
The bad news is that mileage is to and from the bathroom!
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hx0AjmT5Y-vL_wIFA0CJirB01VvgD8V8K6682
A clear short news story regarding the California home school decision. Apparently, the case was filed by a student who claimed he was abused in home school by his father.
Ha, ha. You can’t beat them at home if they are in school?
According to the news reports I have seen, the judges were just following the law as written in the state of California. As much as I believe that the homeschoolers should have the ability to do so, I also beleive that they should follow the law. I believe the law should be changed. Until it is, then they need to send their kids to either a private or public school, with accredited teachers, according to the law. Homeschooling can be good or bad. I have known students that hav excelled in that environment, because they had parents that truly were interested in their kids being educated. They had regular school hours, they had enrichment essxperiences such as visiting a television studio for 1/2 day and learn how the news was put together. They have done many things. The local homeschoolers associaiton has sports teams available, etc. IT IS HARD WORK! I have also known students who didn;t learn crap from the local public schools. Especially in California, where the public schools are atrocious, but the higher education system is excellent. Finally, I have known homeschooled students who were simply left behind, as their parents really weren;t interested in education their children, but had a beef with the local school system. No one size fits all case can be made. I would suggest that homeschoolers be allowed to continue, but that the children must be evaluated on at least a yearly basis, and if they do not do as well as their peers, then they must be returned to either public or private schools.
“The bad news is that mileage is to and from the bathroom!”
heheh Gster. True enough, and spoken like someone over 50 who frequently asks themselves, “when did I start to drink one but pee two?”
Dont forget to factor in the trips to the beer fridge too, unless one has the forsight to place the cooler with ice and beer close to the recliner…
Hee hee hee.
I’m reminded of a Rita Rudner line when she said “why is it that women reach their sexual peak at an age when men discover they have a favorite chair?”
hehehehehehehehehehheehehehehehehehheheheh!
All this is without the benefit of reading the opinion. I’d be glad to read the opinion, if someone would provide a cite, and, if I’m incorrect in my speculation, I’ll say so.
Vaughn Tolle
Posted March 7, 2008 at 9:15 am
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http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hx0AjmT5Y-vL_wIFA0CJirB01VvgD8V8K6682
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For your information, Vaughn Tolle
littlejohn, it would appear from the linked piece that California has not enacted statutory authority for home schools. The appellate court found no Constitutional right to home school, thus the decision. It is interesting that the case began as the result of alleged parental abuse of one of his children.
I’ve got a bit of a problem with the home school associations that sponsor athletics. IMO, if one home schools ones children, then each home school is a separate school, and each school should have its own teams limited to the enrollment of the school. Of course, as you all know, I don’t think competitive interscholastic athletics should be a part of schools at all, preferring the European system of “town teams”.
Right Angle, read that; a news story on the decision. Would still be interested in reading the opinion itself.
AmWay, do you get better or worse mileage with Light Beer?
Should I drink Premium High Octane Molson ICE Maxxim at 8.2% for better mileage?
Funny stuff GMC. I love parody. heh heh
“Should I drink Premium High Octane Molson ICE Maxxim at 8.2% for better mileage?”
Only if you have a high performance engine.
Here’s some news to warm you up on a cold Kansas morning……
“Employers slash jobs by most in 5 years - February jobs data seen making recession more likely”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23518599/
“WASHINGTON - Employers slashed 63,000 jobs in February, the most in five years and the starkest sign yet that the country is heading dangerously toward recession or is in one already.”
Say GMC,
I bought 3 of those Pocket Rockets. Not that I like em that much, but I keep leaving them in my pocket and they get lost in the wash.
Not much for muzzle energy, but they are dead-on accurate.
The Pocket Rocket revolver is ok. I hear they are developing a high-capicty semi-auto Pocket Rocket pistol. Can’t wait to try that one out. You can keep your spare mags in a pill box.
http://vpcblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/ultimate-pocket-rocket/
Vaughn Tolle
Here it is - interesting reading=
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B192878.DOC
Piling on a bit; link below, in addition to the job cuts WS mentioned, explains the drop in the unemployment rate to 4.8% due to 450,000 leaving the labor market.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/07/news/economy/jobs_february/index.htm?cnn=yes
Thanks, Right Angle. It was interesting reading.
Clearly, from the opinion, California does not recognize home schooling as an exemption from its compulsory attendance laws. The closest I could discern was the exemption based upon private tutoring by a person holding the required educational credentials, a “licensed teacher”. The parents in the case appear to have been trying an end run around the law by enrolling the two younger children in a “charter school”, but the opinion points out these children did not actually attend the said school, but received instruction from the mother at home, a “non-credentialed” person.
So, my speculation above was incorrect. The case decision appears to be squarely based upon the California compulsory education statutes; the parents failed to show they met any exemption thereto through their home schooling activities. The interesting thing, to me, is that there exists at least one prior case dealing with the statutes in question, and after the decision in that case was announced, the California legislature took no action to amend the compulsory attendance law to allow for home schooling in the sense I believe most of us think that term means, i.e., schooling of children at home by the parent(s).
Once again, Right Angle, thank you for the link.
“WASHINGTON - Employers slashed 63,000 jobs in February, the most in five years and the starkest sign yet that the country is heading dangerously toward recession or is in one already.”
Looking more and more like when Clinton was leaving office and left a recession in progress for George to get us out of.
Hey Max,
I can;t tell if they article was in earnest worrying about it’s muzzle energy. 7 % of an air rifle’s muzzle energy is squat. Of course, I guess If I held it up to your eye, it could do some real damage.
Seems like if the homeschoolers want to homeschool in California, they should get the law changed.
Yes, littlejohn, they should. I’ve a feeling (and only that) such action has been attempted and failed.
“Looking more and more like when Clinton was leaving office and left a recession in progress for George to get us out of.”
Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton!
“Looking more and more like when Clinton was leaving office and left a recession in progress for George to get us out of.”
Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton! Bill Clinton!
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Looks like George is trying to return the favor!
littlejohn -
“I can;t tell if they article was in earnest worrying about it’s muzzle energy”
Read much of the rest of the blog, LJ. The authors tongue is firmly and deeply in cheek. That it is not immediately obvious reflects on just how outrageously silly so many of the real anti-gun groups’ claims are.
That’s why I said it’s unfortunately not that far off the sites they are parodying.
VT -
Is there not a SCOTUS decision on homeschooling? It’s a fairly old one; I’m thinking Pierce v. Society of Sisters but my memory may fail me. If I have time later today, I may try to look it up. righ now, I barely have time to kinda follow along with the discussion.
GMC, the Cal Ct. discusses Pierce in its decision. Good memory there, sir; until I read the Cal. opinion, I’d forgotten about the Pierce case. Given the tenor of the article, I had thought about Yoder, not Pierce.
Report: Sadistic Killer Lesbians Shared Blood Lust
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335951,00.html
Wierd …
Good role model example for sex offenders everywhere. Door King, please take note:
WEBSTER CITY — Shawn Mofle was found dead from an apparent suicide Thursday before a scheduled arraignment.
Mofle, 41, a former Webster City Middle School seventh-grade boys basketball coach, was scheduled to appear in federal court in Sioux City on eight counts of producing child pornography and two counts of possessing child pornography.
http://www.messengernews.net/page/content.detail/id/503917.html?nav=5010
Thanks GMC70!
The funny thing is, that is exactly what is happening even though it is only a parody.
For those following along; Pierce v. Society of Sisters to which GMC and I refer is a SCOTUS case, opinion delivered in 1925, dealing with the then-new Oregon compulsory attendance law. Essentially, the goal of the new law was to eliminate private (really, parochial) schools as a means of educating students; there were other alternatives given for compliance with the compulsory attendance law, one of which was “home schooling” under the supervision of the County Superintendent of Schools. SCOTUS held the same unconstitutional, not on First Amendment grounds, but rather on Fourteenth Amendment grounds.
This case was cited in the California case referred to by Right Angle in his initial post on the subject. In reading the California decision, one finds that in a prior case, Pierce had been applied by the California Court of Appeals to uphold the California compulsory attendance laws. The basis for this, (from memory) was that Pierce held that unless there was an alternative provided, a compulsory attendance law that mandated attendance of students only at public schools was unconstitutional. The California law does provide alternatives, e.g., private school; credentialed tutors; such that the same is not violative of the decision in Pierce.
In the present case, the California Court of Appeals applied its prior decision in finding as it did that there was no constitutional right to home school, and that the home schooling in issue violated the California compulsory attendance law.
I now return those of you still awake to your regularly scheduled programming. :-)
There should be requirements for homeschooling, but absolutely never banned. I think each parent should prove their cirriculum and allow for SOME interaction with other students at the school.
There are some very good reasons to homeschool, and then there are some very bad reasons to homeschool. Some use it to keep their kids too sheltered and indoctrinated into their biblically pure little world. Some use it to cover up abuse. Some do it simply because they feel their child has better educational opportunities, and some do it because their children are disabled and not being treated appropriately. Sometimes bullying can prompt a child to seek refuge at homeschool.
I seriously doubt the homeschooling people are agoing to allow this to pass.
Political Mama,
What is wrong with raising your children by teaching them about the bible and Christianity?
You reveal your true intentions now.
You simply don’t like the fact that certain parents would rather teach their children at home where they can learn about faith and get a regular education.
What if a parnets home school curriculum didn’t involve teaching them about Evolution?
Would you approve of that?
Better said:
What if the home school curriculum involved teaching them about how Evolution was wrong?
“Some use it to keep their kids too sheltered and indoctrinated into their biblically pure little world.” Political_mama
Posted March 7, 2008 at 12:44 pm | Permalink
Who would say such crap? Ever hear of Freedom of Religion? FREEDOM is no longer a priority for most Libs. Judgemental jack-booted libs. Heil!
I don’t know. Stuff like this really bothers me.
For being a country based on freedom, there seems to be nothing free about having the State force Children to go to a public or private school with state appoved teachers.
What if a parent can’t afford a costly provate school and doesn’t want their child in a government school where many times they don’t agree with the curriculum?
Are the police going to come arrest the parents and take their children away to the government school?
What backwards world do we live in where we would allow that to happen? Oh yeah, I forgot we were talking about California.
Meanwhile, the Eagle Editors and everyone else will start a riot if someone even mentions an investigation into an abortion clinic breaking the law…
Heck Nathan,
You are just inviting them to bring up the Jesus dinosaur thing again.
Then Chas will jump in and laugh at how funny that is to mock Jesus.
Then WWIII will start……
Chas will tell you to stop making fun of his profession.
Then he’ll start typing IN ALL CAPS AGAIN!
Finally he’ll say goodnight 300 times.
And starting over again the next day…….
“There should be requirements for homeschooling…”
Why should there be requirements? It’s not our business. If that is what the parents want, so what? I thought p mom was all about people minding their own.
To the Libs, Abortion is a right while Freedom of Religion is not.
Bassackwards.
Fleetwood,
They want requirements to make sure that the same curriculum which is taught at public school is forced to be taught at home as well.
Which would then completely make having home school pointless figuring most have home school because they don’t like or agree with the curriculum at the public schools to begin with!
Nathan, California offers a third option, according to the decision; employment of credentialed tutors.
As you will recall, the case in California began as a juvenile matter involving allegations of child abuse made against the father by the older son. It then blossomed into what we have been discussing.
Speaking of which, the two younger daughters were “enrolled” at a charter school, although they did not attend classes there but were taught at home by the non-credentialed mother. Surely, if the school was good enough for the children to be enrolled there, they could attend classes there.
The unfortunate part of this case, and I feel it is an unfortunate case, is that the juvenile authorities, as nearly as I can establish from reading the opinion, have the authority to and will enroll the children in a public school.
From a very broad perspective, I believe a state has a valid interest in seeing that the children of the state receive an education. I also believe that parents should have an option to home school their children. Where I suspect many will disagree with me is that such option to home school be subject to reasonable requirements, including the students sitting for assessments administered by the State or authorized third party (ITBS, SAT[Stanford Achievement Test], MAP test) annually to ensure at least a “basic” education is being received. I also believe that home schooling should be home schooling by the parent(s), and that if anyone is instructing the child(ren) other than one or both of the parents, that other person be credentialed as a teacher. There should be such records kept as reflects time in school and that the courses required by the state of students are taken, with a report made annually to the state.
Last week at a St. Louis Planned Parenthood abortion mill, a 16-year-old girl was the victim of an attempted coerced abortion by her mother and aunt, and only escaped the contract killing by calling 911 on her cell phone. Police were obliged to arrest the aunt. You can pretty well know which side was being taken by Planned Parenthood’s greed-crazed abortionist quacks.
Tougher coerced abortion laws are being worked by the Missouri legislators at present, as Planned Parenthood again sues to oppose informed consent.
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The American Center for Law and Justice has launched a nationwide petition drive to cut all taxpayer funding to Planned Parenthood, including millions in federal funding to family planning programs through Title X of the Public Health Service Act.
We don’t need to use America’s busiest abortionist, who is also busy targeting the black population for elimination and promoting illegal porn for underage children, for any family planning programs.
See online petition page (with printable copies)
https://www.aclj.org/Petition/Default.aspx?sc=3326&ac=1
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“I was 14 yrs old when I was coerced into having an abortion. The doctor lied to me at Planned Parenthood and told me my 2nd trimester baby was just a mass of flesh floating around my womb and they were going to stick a vacuum up me and suck the baby out! Doctors should have to tell the patient the method used in the abortion from start to finish. They did not tell me that my baby would feel pain, or that the baby would first be cut up into pieces before the doctor sucked it out. I found this out after the abortion from looking at an abortion booth at a fair. I could not look at myself in the mirror. I had self-loathing after this knowledge. I was addicted to heroin, alcohol and other drugs for the past 30 years. Trying to mask what I had done to my baby. I am clean and sober now, but my life has been hell since that awful abortion ruined my entire life. I cannot have children; I had to have my fallopian tubes removed because of infections caused from the abortion.”
. . . Cathie, another past victim of Planned Parenthood
Funny thing is — I had a neighbor in Ohio who home schooled his kids, because of a different reason, supposedly, than religion… I say supposedly because of his underlying reason…
He didnt want his kids to be educated along with those, who in his somewhat warped opinion, were not fully human… He didnt believe that Blacks are created by God as fully human… He wasnt a real church fanatic, but he did have his moments…
Personally, I thought he was just a racist…
Chas., I’ve met a similar person who advanced the same reason for home schooling his children.
Not for me to judge the reasoning behind the decision, though I might disagree; I feel for the children, though.
Vaughn,
The problem is that even a credentialed tutor can be and most likely is very costly and expensive.
As with most things, this would leave only the super elite and rich people the option to homeschool.
Imagine that.
It amazes me that the party which touts it is for the little guy always excludes the little guy from the ability to do anything other than what the government mandated.
Not to turn this into a gun issue, but I can draw this issue into a wide variety of subjects.
I can understand there being some testing, but even then, look at all the problems with the current testing being used by the government.
The entire point, for alot of people, in homeschooling is to keep from subjecting their children to what they see as a failing government education system.
Now you want to use those standards to harrass the parents homeschooling their Children?
If the issue is about abuse, then leave it at that.
There are ample laws on the books which target abuse and use those.
This is just more intrusion into the private lives of people by the government in my opinion.
I was 14 yrs old when I was coerced into having an abortion. The doctor lied to me at Planned Parenthood and told me my 2nd trimester baby was just a mass of flesh floating around my womb and they were going to stick a vacuum up me and suck the baby out! Doctors should have to tell the patient the method used in the abortion from start to finish. They did not tell me that my baby would feel pain, or that the baby would first be cut up into pieces before the doctor sucked it out. I found this out after the abortion from looking at an abortion booth at a fair. I could not look at myself in the mirror. I had self-loathing after this knowledge. I was addicted to heroin, alcohol and other drugs for the past 30 years. Trying to mask what I had done to my baby. I am clean and sober now, but my life has been hell since that awful abortion ruined my entire life. I cannot have children; I had to have my fallopian tubes removed because of infections caused from the abortion.”
Why do the editors of the WE blogs allow this filth to be posted, but blanch at any discussion of sex?
“Their infants shall be dashed in pieces and their women with child shall be ripped up.” -God
I’ve had Antis tell me that women were getting late term abortions at a local clinic that didn’t provide late term abortions. Also, it was said the women were being given Rh-86, which doesn’t exist. Once I was told that I “murdered” my baby because my ex-girlfriend had a miscarriage. Antis tell strange stories and Parkay isn’t credible but we shouldn’t expect the lies to stop because fundies have no morals and lying for their agenda is considered acceptable to them.
Vaughn,
This seems like the typical over reaction.
A few bad apples are found and now they want to “fix” it by going after everyone.
There are plenty of good people who homeschool their children with no problems.
Why should they be punished for the stupidty of others?
Nathan, that (disagreement with curriculum) is why I suggested ITBS, et.al for appropriate assessments. The ones with which I’m familiar don’t get into the areas of curriculum which are “touchy”, for lack of a better term.
On the tutor; yes, expensive, no doubt. Again, though, at least the two younger girls were enrolled at a “charter school” that appeared to meet state requirements, which, as you know, are generally relaxed in a charter school situation, thus my point about their attending classes there.
I agree that there are laws on the books about abuse; enforcement of the same does result in appropriate cases removal of the child(ren) from the home, with the state becoming the “parent”. One result of this is that any child so under the care of the state will be in public school.
“Fleeing from the police after a liquor store robbery, two armed felons just burst into your kid’s school. There are two fourth-grade classrooms. The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband. The other teacher is a former college hacky-sack champion and a veteran of several anti-war demonstrations in DC. He is having an affair with a middle-school student, and he conceals a stash of marijuana in his jockey shorts. Which classroom would you prefer your 9-year old to be in?”
More questions at the link-
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/Odd0408.html
Nice Heckler!
“The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband.”
I’d just as soon not have such a brazen law breaker teaching kids.
But the teacher with the DRUGS is OK by J R.
But the PEDIFILE teacher with the DRUGS is OK by J R.
Going by the above I would venture that it would be O.K. to again breech the topic of how sex laws in the U.S. are affecting our burgeoning prison population?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8262
The two winners of the 2008 presidential election: fear and war
by Larry Chin
Global Research, March 7, 2008
Online Journal
The 2008 US presidential charade has already been decided. Come November, the next White House occupant (who will be installed via political malfeasance, computer vote theft and other election “irregularities”) will be the puppet who proves to be the most effective in echoing Bush-Cheney’s “war on terrorism” lies, and expanding the Bush-Cheney “national security” agenda.
The American populace will bow to the “next Bush” who will “keep them safe” from “Islamic jihadists.” Facing a new and increasingly brutal regime (probably under McCain), many brain-addled Americans will be stunned that “it is happening all over again,” oblivious to the fact that their own acquiescence helped make it possible.
Washington’s bipartisan consensus “war on terrorism” deception
Amply demonstrated by the rhetoric of each of the prospective US presidential candidates, the “terrorism” lie is also the key to the election. The candidates know that the ill-informed US population remains petrified, and still thoroughly manipulated by fear of “another 9/11.”
As exhaustively detailed by Michel Chossudovsky, author of America’s “War on Terrorism,” and in “Washington’s consensus al-Qaeda deception”, the “war on terrorism” deception is a manipulation supported by an elite consensus, and a cover-up promoted equally by Washington’s political factions and both Republican and Democratic parties.
This myth, which rests on the perpetual fabricated threat of an outside enemy, has been the key to the power wielded by Bush-Cheney. It remains at the core of every official and unofficial decision made by this criminal regime, and its complicit bipartisan Washington partners. The “terrorist” threat to the US homeland, and its many propaganda variations, are now embedded fixations in the American psyche, reinforced by endless corporate media bombast.
The Washington consensus has remained united behind the lies and cover-up of 1) the atrocities of 9/11, a US-led false flag operation, 2) the fact that “Al-Qaeda” is an Anglo-American military-intelligence covert operation, and 3) the use of “anti-terrorism” as a pretext to invade and conquer Afghanistan and Iraq, and its use as the justification for future war across the Middle East and Central Asia, Africa, and other vital geostrategic regions.
Which candidate will be the most effective mass murderer?
Clinton, McCain and Obama are backed by hawkish national security teams headed by some of the world’s master war criminals (Kissinger, Brzezinski, Albright, etc.).These elite connections, and their ramifications, which promise the deepening of the war, remain unaddressed and ignored.
John McCain is deeply corrupt and ruthless — the perfect extension of Bush-Cheney. McCain’s participation in the 1980s savings and loan scandal, as a member of the infamous Keating Five, is a matter of historical fact. Also a matter of record are McCain’s brutal views on war and killing, which are best exemplified by his 2001 op-ed, War is Hell. Now Let’s Get On With It.
Despite their inexplicable reputations as liberals, Democratic presidential hopefuls Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, are now locked in a bitter and destructive struggle over who is the more Bush/Cheney-esque; who is the superior “anti-terrorist” and protector of “American security.”
Clinton and Obama have both repeated the same slippery and all too familiar “war on terrorism” deceptions favored by the elite neoliberal faction:
“The Bush administration has failed to fight the ‘real war on terrorism’ begun after 9/11.”
“Mismanagement and blunders of the war in Iraq have created radical jihadist insurgencies that will the destroy the United States.”
“The Iraq mistake has distracted us from fighting the ‘real’ war on terrorism.”
“We should declare war on Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which harbor the real ‘terrorists’ who attacked us on 9/11.”
“The Iraq distraction has prevented us from capturing Osama.”
“The world was united after 9/11, but Bush squandered it all.”
Other variations popular with the Clinton and Obama camps include:
“Al-Qaeda is reforming in Afghanistan, because of Bush policy failures, and must be dealt with.”
“Iran has become increasingly radical and dangerous because of Bush’s Iraq policy, and now must be dealt with.”
Both Clinton and Obama repeat bald-faced lies about “bringing troops home,” when it is clear that their agenda will do neither. US bases in Iraq are permanent. Some troops could be redeployed, but the US geostrategic foothold in the region is permanent — and they know it.
Both enthusiastically support war waged under the NATO banner, the US-backed Kosovo criminal apparatus (created by the Bill Clinton administration), and other atrocities.
In a telling exchange during a recent debate, Clinton and Obama each kissed the feet (and other body parts) of the powerful AIPAC war lobby, declaring Israel and Israeli security “sacrosanct,” leaving no doubt that a presidency under either of them promises a continuation of genocidal Middle East policy.
The gutter tactics of Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton’s recent primary victories in Texas and Ohio were the result of gutter politics directly out of the Karl Rove playbook. Clinton has stooped to every trick in this book, and the most below-belt attacks and open lies in recent memory.
Clinton’s penchant for fear-mongering is exemplified by the now-infamous “Red Phone” Ad. In this malodorous work, endorsed by the right wing and hailed as a smashing success by venal Clinton strategists, Obama’s ability to deal with a 3 a.m. “international security” crisis is called into question.
Here again, the 9/11 “terrorism” lie is placed front and center, obliterating every other issue.
The peevish Clintons are so hungry for power, that they destroy the Democratic Party, and hand the White House to the Republicans and Bush-Cheney-McCain, to achieve their objective. Clearly, the beneficiaries are the Republicans, and Bush-Cheney-McCain.
It is also no surprise that Clinton’s Texas and Ohio success was assisted by orchestrated conniving by right-wing radio host Rush Limbaugh. Armed with the certainty that McCain is already the Republican nominee, Limbaugh and other fanatical right-wingers swarmed to cast votes for Clinton in “cross-over” states. Limbaugh’s stated goal was to “bloody up” Obama (perceived by the right wing to be more liberal and more dangerous), force the Democrats deeper into self-destruction “for fun,” making a McCain victory that much more certain.
This is not the first time Clinton has benefited from shenanigans (and Republican help), nor will it be the last. Her New Hampshire primary results were manipulated, giving her a surprise victory despite exit polls favoring Obama by big margins. Clinton has continued to bully and intimidate her peers in the Congress (her “super delegates”), and force the Democratic Party into giving her delegates from Florida and Michigan, despite the party’s rules that do not permit delegates from those uncontested states.
Of course, it is no coincidence that criminal activity saves a Clinton or a Bush every time one faces political defeat. The political and criminal connection that the Clinton faction shares with the Bushes is a matter of historical fact, going back to their criminal activities in Arkansas. The Bush-Clinton milieu has cooperatively ruled the United States for decades.
In fact, a McCain-Clinton ticket, with Jeb Bush and other intelligence-connected neocons in their administration, would offer the most honest representation of what the American empire really is.
Obama’s support for war and death squads
Despite his stirring rhetoric, razor sharp intellect and immensely appealing persona, Barack Obama’s foreign policy agenda is virtually identical to that of Bush-Cheney-McCain and Clinton, including his approach to the “war on terrorism.” The differences in nuance, over which a bitter campaign is being fought, are slight.
Obama has repeated his earlier promise to take unilateral military action to “take out terrorists” anywhere in the world, where “actionable intelligence” identifies terrorists, and governments (where these terrorists are found) fail to act. This is no different than existing Bush-Cheney policy. In a recent debate, Obama stated that he would send troops back into Iraq (after a hypothetical pullout) if, hypothetically, “Al-Qaeda reforms in Iraq.”
As reported by Jeremy Scahill, author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World’s Largest Mercenary Army, Obama has even expressed support for continuing to outsource war-related activities to Blackwater USA. This itself should eliminate any notion that Obama is in any way “antiwar,” or anti-criminality.
An Obama presidency would offer a soothing and momentary illusion of false hope to many Americans.
But if recent events are any indication, even false hopes will be squashed, well before a national election contest begins.
Every election in modern US history has been a criminal manipulation, choreographed and rigged by political elites and performed by handpicked elite puppets, each backed by their teams of corrupt war criminals, intelligence/security “advisors” and think tank assets. The 2008 affair will be no different.
It is still a fact that corporations (primarily connected to the Republican political apparatus) control the American vote, and with increasing technological sophistication: Diebold, ESS, Sequoia, and SAIC. In fact, new generations of their machines will be used in 2008.
Democratic Party “war on terrorism” complicity in Congress
In activities paralleling the red herrings bandied about by the presidential campaigns, the bipartisan consensus in the US Congress is demonstrating (again) that it is will not act to stop Bush-Cheney on domestic surveillance. Congressional Democrats are also unable to muster meager opposition of any kind to Bush-Cheney’s Iraq war.
The Iraq Redeployment Act, pushed by Senator Russ Feingold, is a perfect example of Democratic Party ignorance and complicity. Feingold’s bill limits funding, except for “hunting Al-Qaeda terrorists,” and for “training Iraqi troops to fight Al-Qaeda.”
Given that the “hunt for Al-Qaeda” has been the eternal bipartisan consensus pretext for US geostrategy, and given that “Al-Qaeda” is blamed for the host of Iraq problems (including, but not limited to, “insurgencies”), the Feingold bill essentially accommodates continued funding for eternal war.
The Feingold bill, like the rest of Democratic Party’s “war on terrorism” rhetoric is the definition of a zero-sum charade.
The presidential campaign to hell
Without an end to the “terrorism” lie, there will be no end to the “war on terrorism.”
Given the intensity with which this lie is being wielded by Clinton, McCain and Obama, and with the Anglo-American empire’s very survival at stake, clearly there will be no end to war, no matter who is the next White House occupant.
Consider the source…
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ANTI — You had best READ what JR typed… instead of doing a knee jerk reaction…
JR specifically mentioned he would not want a brazen law breaker teaching a class —
Now, given that CC is not breaking a law, nor is marrying a middle school teacher, or being a former military person…
WHICH ONE is JR saying is aa brazen law breaker??? Hmmmmm????
Just cant fix stupid, even on a Friday!!
Perhaps the hacky-sack player has a relationship with a home-schooled middle schooler, in which case the relationship could be perfectly legal, age-wise.
Global research.ca
“An independent research and media group of progressive writers, scholars and activists…”
Enough said.
Chas, J R lead in with this-
“The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband.”
I’d just as soon not have such a brazen law breaker teaching kids.
Who do you think he is talking about?
“Just cant fix stupid, even on a Friday!!”
You are right about that Chas.
Chas,
He was probably talking about the person he put quotes around and cited in his post….
Perhpas you shouldn’t have such a knee jerk reaction and start calling people stupid?
Is that how you act in church or do you just not care about anyone else Mr Preacher?
Come on Nathan, we do not need the “ALL CAPS” this early.
BUT… since the person JR refers to in quotes, is NOT a law BREAKER…
Then JR must have been talking about the one that is the “pedophile” and doper…
I wish you guys would just learn how to read, and maybe even think in the abstract… at least once in a while…
Let’s change up the facts just a bit, Heck . . .
Fleeing from the police after a liquor store robbery and willing to do whatever it takes to avoid returning to prison, two armed felons burst into a shopping center. In one store, out of 30-35 customers in the store, two are carrying concealed, legally, after taking required training and supplementing that with regular practice, both at a static range and in timed IDPA shooting events under stress.
At the other store, the 30-35 customers are carefully protected by a sticker on the door barring the carrying of firearms in the store. The sticker, of course, has had no training.
In which store would you rather be?
The sticker, of course, has had no training.
Are you sure? Surely, it came with instructions.
GMC — Best of all possible circumstances, the Shopping Center Security detail apprehends the fugitives BEFORE they enter a store!! LOL
“BUT… since the person JR refers to in quotes, is NOT a law BREAKER…
Then JR must have been talking about the one that is the “pedophile” and doper…
I wish you guys would just learn how to read, and maybe even think in the abstract… at least once in a while…”
Uh - huh. That must be why he specifically referred to the Army Captain . . .
Chas - are you really that dense, or just that wedded to blindly defending and parroting your allies? Have you no backbone of your own?
But, of course, since those two individuals are carrying CONCEALED… none of the customers in either store would know… right??
Best of all possible circumstances..
Shopping Center Security Detail runs the other direction because they are not armed.
GMC
I want to be standing behind the guy that shoots IDPA. Even if I am armed.
Do you do your shooting in Wichita or is there somewhere nearer the City of Gold that does IDPA matches?
Chas,
No where in the question does it say the man was carrying his weapon legally.
You introduced that variable.
Perhaps it is you who should read a bit slower?
Chas - the one thing we KNOW is that the best of all circumstances almost never happens, and can never be relied upon.
GMC — if you note carefully, JR does not make reference to the Army Captain…. He just quotes from the previous post… I am NOT dense… I CAN read… it seems to be a requirement for earning two Masters degrees!!
Chas
Your gonna tear an ACL if you keep it up….
GMC70,
It is pointless. The Anti-Gun people like Chas will not answer the question. They know how absurd their answer would be less they agree to something like supporting guns so they will not answer.
Schools are gun free zones.
And in your mall scenario?
Once our conceal carriers draw, nobody knows who the bad guy is.
Ya know? I don’t worry about being caught in a random shooting. I think it is just a little less likely than my being hit by lightning or a meteor.
Chas- we those degrees obtained online from the University of Pheniox?
sorry about the spelling
Heckler - 1st and 3rd Sundays each month, at Bullseye (just off 13th and Oliver). 5:30 pm, matches start at 6:00. Im there when I can get there; it’s not always possible, but I try. And it’s often humbling how much that adrenelin running, because it’s timed competition, makes a difference. That is why those who carry NEED that extra practice and training.
Chas,
If you can read, please identify where in Hecklers post it says the man was carrying concealed legally?
As of now, even if you have a Permit to carry concealed, it is still against the law to do so into a school.
So how do you assume that the man was not breaking the law by doing so?
Like I said GMC70, JR and Chas will never answer the question.
They will evade it every time.
“I am NOT dense… I CAN read…” -Chas.
With all due respect, Chas, I see little evidence of that. It takes either substantial lack of reading comprehension skills, or willful blindness, to reach the conclusion you reached. Which would it be?
J R whistles…
“William Tell overture”
OK GMC… WHERE in your shopping center scenario do the customers in the store KNOW that anybody is carrying concealed???
Where did I not deal with your question???
And as for Shopping Center security… Are you assuming that there is NONE available?? And that they would not see two armed fugitives enter the Center???
Again, where did I not deal with your question??? I am simply pointing out the obvious…
Again… IF your two well trained, and legally CC folks are carrying CONCEALED… which of the customers would even KNOW that information??? Your question assumes that the customers KNOW who is carrying concealed…. and who isnt….
Hey, its your case scenario….
I think your point is that since nobody knows for sure, tthe customers are safer in the store where they are…
However, who is to say that a CC person would willfully stay out of the store with the No Gun sticker on the window… since they are… wait for it…. carrying CONCEALED…. Again, WHO would know???
JR - the good guy will be the one dialing 911 after having eliminated the threat.
It’s just not that hard . . .
I think you conceal carry people watched too many Mighty Mouse cartoons.
I think you conceal carry folks not only WORRY about being caught in a random shooting.
I think you secretly HOPE for it.
Chas, Chas, Chas -
1) the other customers WOULDN’T know, until the CC holders drew. Neither would the bad guys. That, of course, is exactly the point. Duh.
2) CC holders will not go into the posted store, at least not carrying. They obey the law; otherwise, they could not have obtained the CC permit. Duh again.
There are none so blind as the willfully stupid. . . .
GMC
I wish I had the time.(and coin) The very reasons I need to be better at that type of shooting, my wife and kids, are the reason I don’t have the time and money to do it. Maybe when the youngest starts school and my wife doesnt need as much relief from the sweet little monster.
The conclusion I reached, GMC… is quite obvious… if you take off your blinders… I did NOT make the assumption that the Army Captain was breaking any laws… as JR now says he assumed…
THEREFORE… since the only lawbreaker I saw in the case scenario presented was the screwball teacher with the middle school girlfriend, and the dope in his shorts… AND since JR’s reference was to a blazen LAW BREAKER…. my conclusion based on facts presented was that JR is referring to the doper teacher…. NOT the Army Captain…
Now, what in the hell is your problem with that, mr. prosecutor???
And JR, it’s clear you operate in the “nothing bad can happen to me” pollyanna world, rather than the real one.
You do own a fire extinguisher? Why? A smoke alarm? Why? A house fire’s odds of happening in any particular home is quite unlikely, yet you have those things, I’d wager. Because we know that indeed bad things happen, and we need to prepare for that possibility.
Same thing.
BTW, JR… if the schoool approved the Army Captain and his CC license… he MIGHT not be in violation of a law…
You’ve answered my question, Chas. Willful blindness wins out, by a nose over a lack of reading comprehension skills.
Congratulations.
“You do own a fire extinguisher? ”
Yes. But I do not feel compelled to strap it on and hope for a fire.
Chas,
I don’t know where you have been hiding, but the assumption is not that it is against the law to carry in school.
That is the status quo.
The assumption, on your part, was that he was carrying legally in school.
Heck -
Aside from the ammunition and range membership ($25, I think) it’s cheap. Less than 10 dollars.
Come on down, you can embarass me too . . .
GMC… please note… I have said nothing on this thread in opposition to CC… Yet, you label me as Anti Gun…. You sure you are reading right??
Chas,
The point of a Hypothetical question is that it is a Hypothetical question.
GMC70 was not asking you about what the customers in the store might think.
Where would you want to be? You are outside of the question looking in. You know that someone is carrying concealed because the question tells you that.
Going on about how you wouldn’t know if someone was carrying concealed in the store is a purposeful evasion of simply answering the question.
Chas,
Ok then, clear it up for us then.
Do you support Concealed Carry?
Do you also support getting rid of these gun free zones in schools so that those with a Concealed carry permit may do so there?
Do you support an individuals right to bare arms from the 2nd Amendment?
Chas - apologies may be due. However, given your chosen “ally,” and the blatently illogical reading you assigned to Pollyanna’s response, well . . you’re judged by the company you keep, and those you parrot.
“Do you support an individuals right to bare arms”
You can wear any kind of tee shirt or tank top you want - but you might want to wait until the weather is just a bit warmer.
Nathan — CC is now the law in many states…
IF a school district has LICENSED CC teachers on the faculty, perhaps there needs to be some flexibility to allow those faculty members to carry concealed…
And, Nathan, I understand hypothetical… And if I recall, the hypothetical asked IF you were one of those customers which store would you want to be in… Ummmm those “customers” are NOT aware of who is, or is not, carrying concealed…
If I am wrong, show me…. :-)
“If I am wrong, show me…. ”
If you really don’t get it, Chas, no amount of showing will do any good.
As you yourself said, Chas, ya can’t fix stupid. I earlier gave you the benefit of the doubt on crediting “willfull blindness” over “lack of reading comprehension” (by a nose, however) for your lack of basic understanding.
I’m afraid I’ll have to reconsider that evaluation . . .
“the blatently illogical reading…” GMC… JR posted the quotation concerning the Army Captain… As far as I could tell (gun free zone not taken into consideration) I could see nothing about the Army Captain that would be even close to being a law breaker…
When JR says he would not want to see such a blazened law breaker as a teacher, it seemed to ME, that JR was obviously talking about the Doper teacher…
AGAIN, read carefully… I was NOT seeing the Army Captain as being a law breaker by carrying concealed (and not sure that he WAS a law breaker in the school district he was in)
However, I am not sure why the hypothetical made such a big thing about said “teacher” being a former hacky sack champion… You ever try that thing??? It isnt terribly easy to do!!
With my deadly ninja skills, the shuriken thrust from my crouched position will plant itself firmly in the jugular of the criminal, causing him to pass out.
nm…that was a movie. :)
GMC — Question: In your hypothetical, is the READER of the hypothetical one of those 30 - 35 customers??? Or not??
Chas, put on your helmet and bib and go sit in the corner. Thank You
I expect those 35 to break out into a choreographed version of a “Thriller” dance routine according to Chas - much confused by his answers. :D
“…I was NOT seeing the Army Captain as being a law breaker by carrying concealed (and not sure that he WAS a law breaker in the school district he was in)”
Chas. just what states allow CC in a school?
Chas - I don’t know; willfully blind is still in there . . .
Shall I capitalize the words which are the dead giveaway, even to someone with Two Master’s Degrees? And this is the last time I’m getting into this. The rest of the world has long since figured this one out, but you just keep handing on.
Aside from the nic, this is the response, in it’s entirity:
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“The teacher in one is a former Army infantry captain, an Iraq veteran who recently married a middle-school teacher. He conceals a .45 ACP Glock Model 36 inside his waistband.”
I’d just as soon not have SUCH [caps mine] a brazen law breaker teaching kids.
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Any questions? Still struggling with comprehension? Be careful, ignorance is gaining on willfull blinidness!
This thread has spoken volumes about you, Chas. And it’s not pretty. Give it up with some semblence of dignity left.
Regular -
“I expect those 35 to break out into a choreographed version of a “Thriller” dance routine according to Chas - much confused by his answers”
You fondly remember “Cop Rock,” don’t you?
In which store would you rather be?
I would much rather be in the store that had the FEWEST guns.
The last thing I want is a couple of hillwilliams pulling out their pride-and-joys and having the criminals answer in a hail of bullets.
I’ll take my chances without the well-intentioned idiots, thank you very much . . .
As for the classroom, I don’t want my kid in either one.
Ever hear of the “either-or” fallacy?
You just saw it . . .
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GMC70
Posted March 7, 2008 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Regular -
“I expect those 35 to break out into a choreographed version of a “Thriller” dance routine according to Chas - much confused by his answers”
You fondly remember “Cop Rock,” don’t you?
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heh, no I don’t remember it, cause probably never watched it. Sounds interesting though. :)
Unfortunately or fortunately, much of my adult life has been spent overseas, so I missed a lot of American TV shows. :)
Well, Regular, you’ve missed a part of real Americana!
The premise was your basic cop show, except this time, at telling and appropriate moments, the major players would break out in song and dance.
Think “Hill Street Blues” as a musical. Yea, it was that bad. And some executive though putting this on the air was a good idea!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cop_Rock
Sucks to be a dem.
“The Democratic National Committee ended 2007 nearly flat broke, with cash of $2.9 million and debts of $2.2 million. Since then it has raised some money, paid down debt and managed to put $3.7 million in its piggy bank. This compares, however, with $25 million that the Republican National Committee has in cash on hand, after having raised $97 million since the beginning of 2007.”
aND SO gmc — YOU AVOID MY QUESTION Is the reader one of those 30 - 35 customers in your store scenario or not??
And aside from your insertion of CAPS in JR’s post, you didnt prove anything… Not ONE DAMNED thing!! JR simply did not identify which one of the teaches was the law breaker… Just as I hinted at before!!
Now, WHO is dense here???
I am outta here for now… be back in a little while!! later…
The candidates are doing all teh money raising that’s why. it’s not going to the party. It will change.
Oh, and by the way, 2 armed students stopped the slaughter at that seminary in in Israel the other day.
Meanwhile, back in Iraq; They are experiencing their worst violence in nine months. (Closes eyes and chants Surge is working,Surge is working, Surge is…
Bush promises to veto bill banning CIA from doing what they don’t do, waterboarding! I see the game plan, bush vetoes, McCain leads a hurclean effort and gets enough republicans to override!
No freaks here.
“Some of the 10 men arrested Thursday at an adult video store exposed themselves to undercover police officers and groped them, Wichita police said Friday afternoon.
An undercover sting operation at Vegas Video, 8323 W. Kellogg, resulted in the arrests of 10 men on suspicion of various morals crimes, including sexual battery, public nudity and lewd and lascivious behavior.”
Ass Thick Ass Babes Kick Ass
This blog is getting classier all the time.
classier?? LOL
Darnit!
CCH thread and I missed it!
Better late than never:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58027
never fails… libs link to worldnetdaily, and they call it junk… cons link to worldnetdaily, and its gospel truth… amazing!! Anyboy else notice that anomaly??
Here’s another world net daily >>>> Still VERY interesting >>>>
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=41729
Looks like the gospel truth to me, Chas! Maybe your anomaly is based on a false premise?
nitwit
Nope no false premise… nitwit!!
Besides, Hank… I dont believe I addressed you directly… Why do you feel some sort of compulsion to attack me?? For a post not directed to you?? A bit paranoid or something???
Chas, If I may interject, it is because you are a nitwit. Those two degrees aren’t worth the paper you printed them on.
The number of fellow senators who think John McCain is psychologically unstable is large. Some will admit it publicly, like Thad Cochran who says, “The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”
Others relate times when McCain screamed four-letter obscenities right in their faces in the Senate cloak room, like Dick Shelby, Rick Santorum or Jim Inhofe. “The man is unhinged,” one senator told me. “He is frighteningly unfit to be commander-in-chief.”
That John McCain is clinically nuts is scary enough. What worries a small group of GOP senators and congressmen even more is a deep and dark skeletal secret in McCain’s glorified past to which they are privy, and which the Clintons will use to blackmail him.
People who feel they need to carry a gun all the time are probably people out looking for a little self insurance to go out and be a jerk and be able to get away with it by flashing a gun.
When you’re paranoid. Maybe it’s because there is a reason people would be out to get you.
ANTI why would you attack me?? I said nothing to you… Oh, but excuse me, you are a right wing nut, so you can just attack anybody you want… AQnd you can try to slander me all you want… I hold degrees from three colleges/universities…. two in Kansas… one in Iowa… You can make fun of it… BUT, you cant change the FACT of it one bit… But you go ahead and try all you want… FACTS are FACTS… in spite of your feeble drivel!!
JR I read somewhere that it supposedly has something to do with feelings of sexual inadequacy… But I dont think I believe most of that theory…
I am just amazed at you lack of comprehension on the thread earlier today. And when proven wrong you make all these crazy drawn out non-tangible explanations to try to justify yourself. But I will lay off the harsh criticism.
But ANTI — Can you not READ??? Nobody proved me wrong!! Not at all… And you cant do it either, so why not just shove it, and let it go?? You really dont want to start anything at this hour!!
Besides, ANTI we all know you are an Anti JR sock puppet!! LOL Now, back to your smelly sock drawer!!
You are one mentally ill sob if you can’t see that you were trying to back peddle and twist reason. It was as transparent as watching a child lie.
And My nic was ANTI JR and I told JR that I didn’t think it was fair to isolate him like that, so I removed the JR, you tool!
Anyway Chas, you bore my intellect. Maybe I’ll check in tomorrow and see if anything rational is going on the Blog.
But, see, now you lie on top of your former false statements… I havent back peddaled at all… Not at all… Show any place where I back pedaled??? You cant do it!! That means you are just a lying flamer!! Just like ALWAYS, ANTI JR!!
Hmmm, Chas.
I post a link to World Net Daily. The next post is by you with comments in direct response to my political persuasion and link. The next post is by you with a link to World Net Daily. A more ‘liberal’ link, so to speak. I pretty much agree with both links, yours and mine. In fact, there is more in my link that I have problem with than in yours.
This pretty much destroys your premise which therefore results in no anomaly.
Compulsion? Paranoid? Attack? Your choice of words are telling!