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- By Phillip Brownlee
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher
I am sure I am not alone in this, I have gotten burned out with elections, Politics and Partisan bickering.
Last night I was flipping through the channels and landed on CSPAN, I stopped and was about to move on. When the Congressman whom was speaking was taking the Bush administration to task, seemed the same old thing. Then I noticed that beside his name was a “R”! Rep. Dana Rohrabacher from Calf. was accusing the Administration of stonewalling, lying and ignoring Congress as a co-equal branch of Government.
He laid out incidents where the DOJ at the direction of the White House had stopped Congressional inquiries often sending dismissive and or Rebuking letters. Refusing interviews of terror suspects and refusing to investigate sound leads. Sighting “National interests”.
It generally takes a couple of days before these speeches appear on the Congressional website. I am not sure how much I missed, but it should be some interesting reading. He said that the Bush Administration has been Bi-partisan in how they have treated the Congress. Rohrabacher sighted where the Administration had ignored several times either bi-partisan or a number of Republican requests. He called on his fellow Republicans to stop enabling the Bush Administration and stand up for the people and Congress.
Too late.
Phantom I was beginning to wonder if ever, I have long said that Bush is not a Republican. The support he has received from Republicans both in the house and Senate has been illogical and shows just how deep the Partisanship had become. But I knew there had to be some left with some integrity, sad that it took this long for them to find their legs.
So what’s the first thing John WMD McCain does after securing the Republic Party nomination?
He goes to the White House to suck up to Shrub!
Yeah, that’s what Americans want.
Last week, the Senate Rules Committee held a hearing on the voter suppression tactic known as “caging.” Its first witness was Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), a former U.S. attorney who has introduced a bill explicitly outlawing the procedure.
Whitehouse’s testimony clearly explained the tactic, which gained prominence during the U.S. attorney scandal. Karl Rove pushed heavily for the ouster of the U.S. attorney in Arkansas in order to install his protege, Tim Griffin. During his time as research director for the Republican National Committee in 2004, Griffin allegedly engaged in the caging of African-American servicemembers.
As Whitehouse notes, caging is a three-step process that targets voters of the opposite party, who are often minorities. The campaign sends “do not forward/return to sender” letters to those individuals, and then challenges the votes of those whom do not respond — even if they are servicemembers stationed abroad, as happened in 2004. From his remarks:
In recent years, we have witnessed the re-emergence of an especially nefarious voter suppression tactic, which has come to be known as “vote caging.” As Professor Davidson, who will testify later this morning, has noted, caging is a three-step process.
First, a campaign identifies a geographic area with a
disproportionate number of registered voters who belong to the opposite party — sometimes, but not always, taking the ethnic or racial makeup of that area into account.
Second, the campaign sends “do not forward/return to sender” letters to voters in that area.
Third, the campaign challenges the right to vote of those citizens whose mail was returned “undelivered” — on the grounds that the voter does not live at the registered address. Of course, there are many reasons why a piece of mail might be “returned to sender” that have nothing whatsoever to do with a voter’s eligibility.
For example, a voter might be an active member of the armed forces and stationed far from home, or a student who is lawfully registered at his parents’ address. Even a typographical error during entry of the voter’s registration information might result in a “false negative.” Nevertheless, these individuals end up facing a challenge at the polls, and possibly losing their right to vote. It is especially galling that those who engage in vote caging often portray it as an anti-fraud measure, when it is really just the opposite: a nefarious way to compile obviously unreliable lists that will be used to challenge legitimate voters.
Caging came into the media spotlight this summer, during Congress’ investigation into the politicization of the Department of Justice and the dismissal of United States Attorneys, but the practice is neither new nor rare. Indeed, vote caging was used as early as 1960 in Arizona and continued, in fits and starts, through the 2004 elections — when evidence surfaced that voter caging lists were being compiled. While not every voter caging effort is successful in disenfranchising large numbers of voters, the failure of a voter suppression effort is no excuse for its legality. Indeed, Minnesota, California, and my home state of Rhode Island have enacted state laws prohibiting vote caging.
Please consider signing KS Rep. Todd Tiahrt’s online petition expressing disappointment (outrage) that the contract for the military refueling tanker would be given to European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. and primarily built in France. There are so many reasons this is a terrible idea I won’t take your time to elaborate but our national pride, security and economy are all at stake.
This is easy….just click on the link, sign and send.
Link to petition: http://www.house.gov/tiahrt/tanker_petition.htm
If Tiahrt is against the Tanker deal, it must have been the right decision made by the Air Force… :-)
Ron Paul on Forbes
America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom and a belief in sound money. I decided to run for president because I am deeply concerned that the conservative movement has drifted away from these principles that we once so fiercely defended. Deficits have exploded, entitlements are out of control and our personal liberties are threatened like never before.
The current state of our economy drives home the hard truth that living beyond our means has caught up to us. Oil is over $100 a barrel, the housing market is in sharp decline and the dollar is in a free fall.
The national debt now stands in excess of $9 trillion, more than $30,000 per person. The total future debt obligations of the United States, including entitlements, are estimated at around $59 trillion, which equates to over $500,000 per household. Social Security and Medicare will likely consume the entire federal budget by 2040, threatening the average American with an impossible tax burden.
As I said this past November to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, “We’re indeed between a rock and a hard place, and we don’t talk about how we got here; we talk about how we are going to patch it up.” The “solutions” proposed so far–stimulus packages, bailouts and interest rate cuts–just amount to printing more money, which will lead to greater currency devaluation, contribute to the rising costs of living, and further squeeze the middle class and our senior citizens.
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So did Ron Paul turn independent yet?
Will his name be on my November ballot?
Too bad. So moving right along……..
Boxlock: I agree with your post, except the security issue. I realize locals are upset and their minds are fogged by the loss of jobs in Wichita (and yes cry for the jobs in the whole country affected).
The two competed for a contract. Boeing despite trying to bribe lost.
According to what I have read, the pentegon provided military reasons why the French plane will provide more for our military. The military mission is job one. So for security, the French win.
Let’s not aware contracts and have competition anymore in our government agencies. Let’s let Congress let all contracts. Politicians ALWAYS know what is best.
aware = award
Northrop plans aircraft plants
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2004260962_northrop05.html
“Even the 767 — the plane at issue in this tanker contract — is multicultural. The fuselage is built in Japan, the tail in Italy, some other pieces in Great Britain. The parts are then shipped to Everett and put together, much as the French plan to do at a new plant in Alabama.”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2004261308_danny05.html
Even security is at stake. Airbus warehouses their parts all across Europe, and from what I understand, they aren’t all that secure.
Not to mention we are in the biggest WTO trade dispute in histor with them, that may well result in a trade war.
Sol, I’m with you, right now there’s still hope.
I just feel pity for the other folks.
Blinders on?…check.
Hutzpa?…check.
Vaseline?…check.
American Way,
I don’t disagree with you either but from what I am reading some of the design characteristics specified by the Air Force was the basis for using the 767 as the airframe instead of the larger newer 777 which can be adapted also. And the AF is saying they chose partially on the basis of larger size.
I think, for the little that’s worth, that the EAD’s proposal probably did look a little better based on most of the criteria, but not enough to give that contract away.
I am quite concerned with the cost overrun issues and delays with EAD’s past performance. Apparently the AF wasn’t. And I am concerned about our technology and security issues being untrusted to the Europeans and the French especially. Plus that’s a lot of jobs and dollars going to Europe and out of the US.
Let’s just send all well paying jobs overseas, then we can all work at China-Mart.
Easy enough.
Pleefer,
I thought that is what we’ve been doing for the last 10 years. Did I miss a memo?
Hey, I know, lets just pring up some more money.
AmWay,
You are willing to give up our liberties for a little security?
You deserve neither if that is the case.
I can’t believe some of the comments I read on this blog daily. All of you people with the blinders on need to open your eyes and use some common sense. There is no greater threat to America’s security than ourselves. I suggest you go read some books. “Blowback” and “Imperial Hubris” should be a start. Then after you are finished, go read, “The Fall of the Roman Empire.” I promise you that you will see comparisons to the beginning of the end of the Romans and the last 100 years of America’s history.
I am not being argumentative, I am just trying to help you. You are a fellow American and we will need to be together and not divided when the time comes.
We created Al-Qaeda (the database) http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUN20051120&articleId=1291
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development
to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. We trained them to fight like guerrillas (terrorists). These tactics were trained and deployed with the sole purpose of slow bleeding the Soviet Union. Worked like a damn charm too.
No we face an enemy we created that is using the same tactic we trained them to use, with the same outcome. They are slow bleeding our economy and our defense infrastructure.
How much of a total idiot do you have to be NOT to see this?
Hee hee hee Sol.
I love “pring up” money…
I’m making MIGAS for breakfast today dude. Wish you were here…
Wish I was too. Wish I could type too :-/
Boxlock, not the battle I would risk falling on my sword over. If the politicians can effect the change back to Boeing, it won’t break my heart.
There are positives with that outcome.
I just get concerned when we have competitive bidding to get the best product for the best cost - and we are quick to throw the process out the window.
The DoD budget is huge and the biggest. There is much potential for the good ole boys to get the dough. In fact, congress routinely inflates the DoD Budget by adding boats, planes, and automobiles the DoD didn’t even request.
Put yourself in the military’s place. They KNEW the risk their decision would bring. They are not stupid. They wheel and deal with congress and the president EVERY year. Yet they still made the decision to buy UNAmerican. They were darned if they do and darned if they don’t. With all the heat, what would you do NEXT time? Just throw up your hands? Why bother putting things out to bid?
Here is an idea. “Some” local governments (city/county) here in Kansas provide a chance for local contractors in competitive bidding. If the locals bid comes in within a certain percentage of the outsider - the local wins. “But” the product must STILL meet the specifications on the original request for bid. Maybe the Feds could do the same?
Sol, a little blow back eh?…nah, it’s just a conspiracy theory.
Most Obama heads dunno that Obama’s chief foreign advisor (Zbigniew Brzezinski) was THE man who created AlQaeda. Not that it matters at all.
Let’s print…er pring up some more cash. I’m broke buying bread and gas. And more fiat FRN’s means…MORE CASH!
Yeah-ee-yeah!
Seen gold prices lately?
Damn I’m good, I’ve been saying that the Air Force changed the game in the 11th hour to favor airbus.
There needs to be an investigation into who’s palms were greased!
http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080305/usa_tanker.html?.v=1
Max asked yesterday how I am personally victimized by the rich.
I gave several examples, including the downtown arena that taxes me to benefit local rich people.
Here’s another–
http://media.www.dailyutahchronicle.com/media/storage/paper244/news/2008/03/05/News/Russian.Mafia.In.Bed.With.Wall.Street.Ceo.Says-3252089.shtml
Russian Mafia in bed with Wall Street, CEO says
By: Dan Treasure
Posted: 3/5/08
Every day, thousands of Americans look to invest their money in stocks, and many of them go through brokers and traders to simplify the process.
Unfortunately, according to Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne, a majority of those purchasers will be victims of Wall Street’s criminal tactics and will help line the pockets of corrupt brokers and lawyers. Byrne, a Utahn who founded Overstock.com, talked to a crowd in the Union on Monday about how New York financial media and law firms have teamed up with big-wig business elites to create massive amounts of profit at the cost of American consumers.
Byrne said when someone purchases a stock, there is a three-day stock settlement period during which a broker or a trader must provide a purchaser with that stock. However, through loopholes in the system, brokers and traders can legally not provide you with that stock almost indefinitely, giving the purchaser an IOU instead, Byrne said.
“It’s my thesis that certain people have figured out how they can abuse that loophole, and flood the market…often in connivance with a broker dealer,” he said.
Cartoon I saw and can’t find it now, shows three Air Force Generals talking about the EADS award.
All saying that any prejudice was “Absolutely, untrue.”
Name of the Generals:
General Chavalier
General Trudeau
General Alouette
:D
Texas two step; from linked piece, the way delegates are selected in Texas (primary, x delegates; caucuses, y delegates) can result in the primary loser winning more delegates if a stronger showing is made in the caucuses:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/04/march.4.dems/index.html
So, if Sen. Obama takes the caucuses in Texas, he might actually lengthen his delegate lead? Interesting.
Vaughn Tolle,
This is what happens when you leave Democrats to make their own rules. :D
I posted this on another thread already but It seems to me like the Air force could be in violation of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_American_Act At best Northrup would be a front company to skirt the law since they dont actually make any tankers
Here you go, this is a short and pretty funny video. We need to lighten up.
Ron Paul…what a “kook”.
Keep ignoring him and keep making your big mistakes, your kid’s will thank you later.
Will it matter if you’re gay or black or an abortionist or a torturer if we’re all equally hungry?
Obama regains ground in Texas caucuses
Clinton, in particular, projected confidence on the day after her candidacy-saving victories, suggesting she might want Obama as her vice presidential running mate.
“That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me,” she said on CBS.
The rest of the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080305/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp
This is what I’ve been waiting to hear! I so want the democratic ticket to be Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama, I don’t care who is on the top of the ticket.
“I gave several examples, including the downtown arena that taxes me to benefit local rich people.”
Capn - that happens all the time. Only in my town they call in “progressive” thinking. Using our local tax money to fund something they feel is for the good of all of us.
At the state and federal level, they call that being liberal.
Bush would just waive the buy American act to get around it.
“Will it matter if you’re gay or black or an abortionist or a torturer if we’re all equally hungry?”
I’ll take Pink Pistols and Lesbian Avengers for $500 Alex.
OK — Shift gears for a minute… McCain has a history of health issues… What IF he should fall ill, and/or even die before November?? Has anybody even given that any thought??
Then Romney will become President Chas. :D
Then you’d have Rommeny, Huck, Rudy, and Ron Paul Scrambling to get all of McCains Delegates, and that would makee one interesting Convention
Scary thought!!
I thought maybe with the way Karl Rove has been spouting off the last two days, HE might give it a run!! VERY scary thought!!
And if he dies after the Convention I would suspect that his VP candidate would take the reigns and the RNC fills the VP slot? I’m just guessing but I bet the RNC(and the DNC) has rules for such a scenario
The other day there were some posters here who were defending child abuse (sex with young girls). I wonder if any of them got caught in the worldwide sting:
Extensive global porn ring allegedly promoted ‘horrific exploitation of children’
http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation/story/517247.html
One can only hope they did, AmWay…
Well, at least none from KS — yet… :-}
:-|
“What IF he should fall ill, and/or even die before November??”
I think Reagan may have been dead before his second convention. Nancy, like Hillary did a swell job of covering for him.
KFG rules!
Tom Paine that is an interesting Wiki page. Didn’t know that law/act was around and it was signed in 1933. Appears this might not be a done deal.
I sent a ‘thank you for all your help’ letter to McCain to let him know I wasn’t happy contributing to France’s economic comeback and he send back the following.
I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your recent correspondence. I appreciate your taking the time to assist me in keeping up to date. I found the material you referenced to be very informative.
I have passed along the information you forwarded to my foreign-relations and defense staff. I am confident that it will be useful. In the future, please do not hesitate to contact me on this or any other matter.
Again, thank you for the information. I certainly hope that you will continue to keep in contact on this and other matters.
Sincerely,
John McCain
United States Senator
JM/ab
You can bet I will be keeping in contact. Wish more would be doing the same. I do however sense a disconnect from the tenor of my email to him and response I got.
KFG thanks for the recipe. My family loved it.
I have often wondered how long they knew Reagan had Alzheimers before he left office…
Hate to give one to Todd, but it looked like he kicked Shelby’s butt on Fox.
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=289004&cl=6811728&src=finance&ch=1316259
“Tom Paine” cited –
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy_American_Act
“At best Northrup would be a front company to skirt the law since they dont actually make any tankers”
Look, “Tom Paine.”
I’ve got a lot of arguments in favor of Boeing getting the contracts, but there are some issues which are bogus; probably conived by a PR firm on K Street.
The “nobody else has built a tanker” argument is about 98% bogus.
As I understand it, the whole reason why the Air Force’s tanker fleet needs to be replaced is they’re currently using 50-year-old technology!
Nobody at Boeing who’s currently designing and engineering aircraft has any first-hand experience designing or engineering or building tankers. Non issue.
Boeing has turned into an international entity, not an American entity. Now, the issue of percentage of American jobs for a national defense contract is real and legetimate. From what I’ve read, the people of Mobile, Alabama are just as happy about the Airbus contract as the people of Wichita, Kansas are pissed. I think it’s about the same number of American jobs once you consider Boeing’s outsourcing to Japan, et al.
I’ve wondered if this contract is a shot across the bow from the Pentagon to American military suppliers? Early in my life I worked with a few companies who were Pentagon contractors and without exception, once they got a contract all the sales ducks were high-fiving and saying “Ka-CHING!!!”
As much as the standards for the aircraft itself might have tipped the balance, I suspect the decision really turned on minutia in the contract; the fine print.
Boeing first went after this contract by bribing people. Who knows whether their Plan B involved trying to sweeten the aircraft, sweeten the deal, or sweeten the decision-makers?
I’d really rather the tankers were (partially) built in Wichita. I think it’d be a fine aircraft and a lot of my friends would benefit from the jobs the contract could bring to Wichita.
And, if it turns out the Pentagon moved the goalposts and but Boeing at a disadvantage by provoking them to base their proposal on the 767 instead of thr 777… there’s a real scandal inside the Pentagon…led for the past 7 years by George WMD Bush and (The Big) Dick Cheney.
I really want Tiahrt and Roberts to “bring it on!”
Looks like we could use a TANKER Thread on here today!! Oh Editors, are you watching??
“Chas.” asks –
“I have often wondered how long they knew Reagan had Alzheimers before he left office…”
It’s called denial, and it’s not uncommon among people who live with, work for, are married to… Alzheimer’s Disease.
And, unless I’m mistaken, the only true diagnosis of Alzheimer’s Disease can be made at autopsy.
Now, of course, that doesn’t mean Reagan was faking it. Most people are at least superficially aware of the symptoms these days, but bat in the 80s, things weren’t quite so clear.
My brother-in-law who is suffering from an Alzheimer’s-like disease started deteriorating when he couldn’t balance his checkbook. This was a guy who, a couple of Thanksgiving Dinners before, was figuring out square-roots in his head!
A couple of years later he took me to a window that looked out over his deck. “There are people out there who need my help but I can’t open the door,” he said. If my brother-in-law were Ronald Reagan in 1986, and I were a Reagan syncophant, that quote would have been inspiring! Except my brother-in-law wasn’t Reagan and he wasn’t being inspirational; he really was halucinating that there were people out on the deck who needed his help.
Reagan on his worst day was better in the Oval Office than Shub at his best.
In case the Radical Left hasn’t noticed, President Reagan died awhile back.
But continue digging with your rusty shovels and re-writing history with your revisionists ink pens.
(chortles)
Hey, the LEFT didnt report that Reagan had Alzheimers… That came from his own people… I just wondered if maybe he had it when he was still in office… No revision of history intended…
Actually Reagan himself released that information in a letter.
OK OK HE released it… his people… same difference… It didnt come from the LEFT!!
MonkeyHawk
Posted March 5, 2008 at 1:52 pm | Permalink
“Nobody at Boeing who’s currently designing and engineering aircraft has any first-hand experience designing or engineering or building tankers. Non issue.”
IIRC Boeing has built several tankers recently. I cannot remember the countries they were building them for but just last year there was news about the progress they were making on the contract. I think they were close to delivery.
They are building the tankers for Itay and Japan. Guess what they are 767’s.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/341374_air28.html
Yep — we definitely need a Tanker thread!! LOL
Well Chas, the Reagan letter was in 1994, after he was out of office.
You do realize that Reagan kept a daily journal for every day he was in the White House?
Reviewers of the journal can find no hint of mental decline in the record.
Is Northrup Making the tankers or is Airbus?
Regular,
Wasn’t one of the Republican debates held at the Reagan Library just a few weeks ago? So who’s digging up who? Uh, whom?
EADS (German and French Divisions) are making the airframe and other structures.
The assembly will be in the U.S. (Alabama?)
Reviewers of the journal can find no hint of mental decline in the record.
Maybe Nancy covered that for him, too. It wouldn’t be the first time.
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RD
Posted March 5, 2008 at 2:50 pm | Permalink
Reviewers of the journal can find no hint of mental decline in the record.
Maybe Nancy covered that for him, too. It wouldn’t be the first time.
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An unproven and accusatory remark on a deceased President RD. I expected better.
Regular — I KNOW when the Reagan letter came out… ALL I said was that it came from the REAGAN people (either himself, or staff) and not from some Left leaning source… My original question is only a wondering on my part if the Alzheimers was brewing before he left Office… Alzheimers doesnt normally sneak up un-beknownst to the victims(and families and friends).
And some victims are better at hiding it than others!
Are Dead presidents now contraband for open discussions???
Regular posts >>>>
“An unproven and accusatory remark on a deceased President RD. I expected better.”
Chas, I still don’t see your point.
Conjecture on a medical problem that no one will ever know, how it did or didn’t affect decisions made while Reagan was in office or any revelation of said condition unknown but to his personal physician and perhaps wife is speculation.
It serves no purposes and is mean-spirited at its very base.
Reagan was an honorable man, why trample on his grave?
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Chas.
Posted March 5, 2008 at 3:04 pm | Permalink
Are Dead presidents now contraband for open discussions???
Regular posts >>>>
“An unproven and accusatory remark on a deceased President RD. I expected better.”
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Put the whole reference in there Chas.
That was addressed to RD not you.
Regular, IF he acknowledged having Alzheimers in 1994, and given that Alzheimers takes long years to develope, is it reasonable to assume that he had the disease while still in office??
And, is it not reasonable to assume that the Alzheimers COULD have marred his judgment at least in his second term??
I fail to see how that dishonors what few good things he might have done in 8 years…
Chas,
If a frog had wings…
Regular, IF he acknowledged having Alzheimers in 1994, and given that Alzheimers takes long years to develope, is it reasonable to assume that he had the disease while still in office??
And, is it not reasonable to think that the Alzheimers COULD have marred his judgment at least in his second term??
I fail to see how that dishonors what few good things he might have done in 8 years…
I KNOW that too James… But just because Reagan is a Dead President, doesnt absolve him from accusatory comments… People make accusatory comments against FDR on here all the time, and you dont get bent out of shape over those… Reagan is just one of many now deceased presidents!!
Chas if I can interrupt here - Reg is wondering what your point was. You haven’t made one yet. Do you want to go back and review the Reagan decisions? Which ones should we review?
What exactly is your point?
And now for some GOOD news…………..
“Molester leaps to death from court balcony
Suicide note recovered after man jumps from 9th floor following conviction”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23483293/
All convicted child molesters should be given that option.
On another note, ABC News says the cute wittle puppy doggy killer was blowing off steam. Do we have laws against that kind of check valve in Kansas? Cause I’ve had a stressful day today and my neighbors’ Labrador won’t stop barking at nothing.
On Monday, March 10, the National Day of Appreciation for Abortionist Quacks, the baby-hating Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health will deliver a letter of thanks to the criminal back-alley abortionist quacks who illegally mangled, dismembered, poisoned, and beheaded babies prior to the heinous Roe v. Wade ruling striking down abortion restrictions enacted by elected state legislators.
. . .
Pro-life columnist Jill Stanek’s nominees for the fourth annual abortionist quack of the year are:
Malachy DeHenre: Found guilty this January for murdering his wife after losing his medical license in Alabama, New York and Mississippi for botched abortions, rape, and death of a patient.
Alberto Hodari: Late-termer caught on videotape in November speaking to Medical Students for Choice at Wayne State University in Michigan, invited despite having been previously accused of killing two patients. Hodari bragged about lying to patients and families and not washing hands between abortions, among other grossities.
George Kabacy: Former Oregon Planned Parenthood slice-and-dicer who pleaded guilty in Washington state in November for engaging in and advertising child porn. Kabacy was also accused but never convicted of killing a patient.
Deborah Lyn Levich: Allowed her Alabama medical license to expire last January after being charged with letting non-physicians commit abortions, underestimating fetal gestational age, falsifying records, committing illegal abortions and failing to treat a patient in dire straits. Levich is still licensed to practice in Georgia.
Rapin Osathanondh: Surrendered his Massachusetts medical license voluntarily last month after allegedly killing 22-year-old Laura Smith in September with an anesthesia overdose.
James Pendergraft: Had his Florida license suspended one year in December and was fined $10,000 for committing an illegal late-term abortion that resulted in a brain-damaged baby. Previously imprisoned in 2001 for extortion. In 2005, one of his five clinics turned away paramedics responding to a call by a mother inside whose baby was aborted alive and allowed to die.
Laurence Reich: Charged in California last month for practicing medicine without a license after having it revoked in 2005 for molesting patients.
Hamid Hussain Sheikh: Indicted in November by Kentucky officials for defrauding Medicaid.
Sheldon Turkish: In a case making its way to the U.S. Supreme Court, Turkish has been charged for committing an abortion without informed consent, including lying that a patient was not carrying human life.
. . .
And the winner is - Laurence Reich!
Reich was also during the 70s accused by patients of fondling, oral sex, rape and an incomplete abortion. In 1982, Reich was arrested for battery, sexual misconduct and impersonating a doctor. In 1984, Reich also pleaded “no contest” to four of 28 criminal charges by Santa Monica prosecutors including the aforementioned plus prescribing medicine without a license, assault and trying to coerce patients not to testify. In 2000 and 2003, patients filed complaints against Reich for sexual misconduct. Meanwhile, in 2002, Reich was arrested for sexual battery and sexual exploitation. He lost his license in 2006, and two weeks ago was arrested in Los Angeles for practicing “medicine” without a license.
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Keep those grand juries coming, folks.
KsGrm — Reg — I didnt really HAVE a point… I just wondered how long Reagan might have been affected by Alzheimers Disease BEFORE he left office… By way of information, the question is not new or original with me… It has been raised before…
IF there is a point, I guess it would be along with my earlier point that McCain has a history of health issues, and what those might mean to his candidacy, and/or possible presidency… OK???
I agree with PMama… Citizen-called grand juries should be made illegal in Kansas, just as they are in other states… Witch hunts is more like it… LOL
The Blog is acting a little strange today…
I posed the question the other day, how did our Senators vote on the McCain ammendment stripping out the language that was detrimental to airbus bidding on the tanker. Someone on Opion Line comments answered it. Along party lines, the ammendment was approved with our good hypocritical senators voting with McCain! What’s the matter with Kansas?! http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00191
Planned Parenthood jurors seek review of grand jury law
The Associated Press
OLATHE, Kan. - A Johnson County grand jury that chose not to indict Planned Parenthood this week is calling for a review of the Kansas law that allows citizens to seek a grand jury.
Among the issues raised by the grand jury is that people seeking a grand jury are not required to have evidence backing their allegations.
The 15-member grand jury filed a report Wednesday that includes its recommendations concerning the jury petition process.
There should be a stipulation that frivolous convening of Grand Juries will result in the ones bringing the investigation reimbursing the State and the party charged for their expenses.
News from our Statehouse. Legislative session day 52:
December STORM DAMAGE COST RISES
Damage assessments for the December 2007 ice storm which impacted 65 Kansas counties have increased to approximately $381 million. The storm’s damages are expected to make it the most expensive disaster in Kansas history and exceed the damages of the western Kansas storm in January 2007. Initial assessments placed damages in the most recent storm at approximately $170,988,000 with $138 million of that total to Kansas Rural Electric Cooperatives and municipal utility infrastructures. Initial joint damage assessments calculated the costs to get the power back up as soon as possible to the effected residents, according to Tom Hall, Federal Coordinating Officer (FEMA). “A more in-depth expert analysis to affect permanent repair increased the total cost estimates. The damage was not as visible early on in this eastern Kansas storm as it was in the western Kansas storm where 21 transmission towers were knocked down. In this storm, 59,000 meters, thousands of miles of electrical lines were brought down over a much larger area than before and as crews began the work to replace them it was determined there was a much greater impact than previously estimated by preliminary damage assessments. In addition, many of the lines were made of materials which are no longer available. While the new lines will be of better quality and provide more resistance to storms, they are a lot more expensive to replace, which accounts for much of the increase in the storm’s costs. according to Adjutant General Bunting .
As utilities conducted initial damage assessments, they looked at the cost to turn on the power, but that did not incorporate the cost to restore the system to its original state. Many of the lines were built in the 1940s and to restore them to today’s codes and standards will require new poles and new lines at a much greater expense. “As we worked, we discovered more and more poles on the ground,” said Bob Hall, general manager of the Ark Valley Electric Cooperative, Association, Inc., the hardest hit co-op in the state, with more than $50 million in losses and 998 miles of lines down. “As we found more and more miles of lines down, we kept calling for more help. The new lines will be built to today’s standards; therefore, it will be a more modern day system when it’s done, one better able to withstand storms than before,” Hall said. “In addition, rebuilding will result in contracts that bring an influx to the local economy.”
Prior to the December 2007 ice storm, Kansas had already experienced three federally-declared disasters resulting in a total of more than $480 million in damages. The winter storm of January 2007 affected 44 western Kansas counties and resulted in $386 million dollars in expenses, while the Greensburg tornado in May and the northeast/north central flooding at the same time resulted in $70 million in reimbursable losses. Then the June 29 southeast Kansas flooding left more than $26 million in expenses. That leaves the state with more than $860 million in reimbursable losses in 2007, and the
total could increase as the damage claims continue to be processed. The storm which began Dec. 6, 2007 and continued through Dec. 19, 2007, caused six deaths. Two people were hospitalized due to contact with downed power lines, 11 others injured and more than 183,000 customers were without power at the height of the storms.
Shortly after the storm hit, Gov. Sebelius issued a state disaster declaration which included all 105 counties. She then received a federal emergency declaration which provided direct federal assistance to any federal agency which helped the state and local governments with issues including bringing in generators, debris removal and clearing, and providing bottled water. On Feb. 1, President George W. Bush approved Sebelius’ request for a federal disaster declaration for counties impacted by the severe ice storms. This ensured the local governments and certain non-profit organizations could apply for FEMA’s Public Assistance Program which reimburses for expenses related to the following: emergency protective measures, debris removal, repair or replacement of disaster-damaged facilities including roads and bridges, water systems, buildings, equipment, utilities, parks and recreation facilities and other items.
65 Kansas counties that are eligible for the Public Assistance Program reimbursements. They are Atchison, Barber, Barton, Brown, Butler, Chase, Cherokee, Clark, Clay, Cloud, Comanche, Crawford, Dickinson, Doniphan, Edwards, Ellis, Ellsworth, Ford, Geary, Gove, Graham, Harvey, Hodgeman, Jackson, Jefferson, Jewell, Kingman, Kiowa, Labette, Leavenworth, Lincoln, Logan, Lyon, Marion, Marshall, McPherson, Miami, Mitchell, Morris, Nemaha, Osage, Osborne, Ottawa, Pawnee, Phillips, Pottawatomie, Pratt, Reno, Republic, Rice, Riley, Rooks, Rush, Russell, Saline, Sedgwick, Shawnee, Sheridan, Smith, Stafford, Thomas, Wabaunsee, Wallace, Washington, and Woodson. The governor also received approval for Hazard Mitigation for all 105 counties. This allows the counties to apply for reimbursement for cost-effective actions taken to prevent or reduce the threat of future damage to a facility.
(sorry, I cannot provide a link to this information.)
Ummm you must have copied all of that from somewhere…
Also: OPperation Rescue seeks women who had abortions…
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/10334
Now THIS is scary, I’d not trust these whackos with a ten foot pole. You’d think that with all those ‘post traumatic abortion syndromes’ they say happen, they’d have plenty in their own group?
Stay away from these people, they just want to exploit you.
Salina STILL has limbs on the corner, whatever they’re not doing it’s getting old.
It’s sad to see the regret many women have to live with after they made a desperate decision to abort their pregnancy…I’ve known too many that have told me it’s the biggest regret of their life. And it’s too bad the pro choice side really minimizes the negative impact that abortion can have on people’s lives.
My own brother still suffers from the fact that his first child was never allowed to be born. And I have a least 5 really good friends that say if they could do it over again, they’d make a different choice.
I don’t think abortion should be outlawed, because that won’t stop it…women would just risk their lives to end their unwanted pregnancies…but I wish that more would really think about the finality of the decision to abort. Once it’s done, a woman can’t go back, and certainly she can’t forget. She may forgive herself, but she’ll never forget.
George Bush’s closet
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#drunk
An unproven and accusatory remark on a deceased President RD. I expected better.
Why?
Oh, like you’ve never done the same. Riiiiight.
I’m jumping in now. Is there something wrong with guessing? Everyone here does it on a daily and hourly basis. Good grief! I wasn’t speaking ill of the dead! It may not be a probability, but it certainly could be possible. No reason why “Mommy” couldn’t have done it, now is there?
Please note, Regular, that I did not say SHE DID WRITE HIS JOURNAL. I merely said “maybe”.
You guys are no fun.
Well —
Good night; Good luck; and God bless;
Whatever you conceive God to be!
Blessings All!!
We don’t discount how heartwrenching the decision is at ALL Mary. But you act as if all that happens is everyone surrounds these women like wolves, that isn’t what happens.
Most regret getting pregnant in the first place, and sure they regret an abortion. There is no post abortion syndrome though. That’s a made up term by the antis.
Tell me, do you think these women who would RISK THEIR LIVES to have an abortion don’t have sorrow and regret? Yes, but they also aren’t in the same place usually that they were then. At the time, most of them made the best decision they felt at the time. Do you deny that women who give babies up for adoption also feel regret and sorrow? Would many do it differently? SHOULD they have done it differently? Most of the time, NO. They did the right thing for them and their baby at the time.
You also gotta stop trying to cover up how very flipping hard it is to have a crisis pregnancy and to have the baby. Stop downplaying that part too. Or I’ll have to create a ‘post birth syndrome’ to try to scare women into having abortions (that was snark).
I just saw this from the KC Star –
Johnson County grand jurors, who cleared Planned Parenthood of wrongdoing this week, called today for a review of the state law that allows citizens to seat a grand jury.
“It is the feeling of this grand jury that the current statute that addresses the formation of a grand jury be evaluated as to evidence required to call the grand jury,” the jurors said in a one-page statement.
“The grand jury also feels that the statute also be reevaluated as to the percentage of the population required to convene a grand jury.”
Kansas is one of a few states that allow citizens to empanel a grand jury by petition. State law requires that the petition contain the signatures of at least 2 percent of the people who voted in the last governor’s race, plus 100. In Johnson County, the number required to seat the grand jury was 3,739, the statement pointed out.
Also, the statement said, the petition process does not require citizens to have evidence that crimes have been committed before presenting a petition to the court.
The Johnson County grand jury was seated Dec. 10 after citizens presented a petition calling for an investigation into whether Planned Parenthood followed state abortion laws.
The grand jury reviewed all statutes pertaining to the issues presented in the petition and all available evidence, the statement said.
“Based upon the review of this evidence, the grand jury returned no true bills and finds no cause to investigate the matter further.”
The grand jury was expected to present a report on its work, but the judge who oversaw the jury said the statement is all that will be provided.
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In other words, Phill (the extra L is for “loser”) Kline wasted their time with a nothing case.
No decision involving an unplanned pregnancy is easy, but abortion is quick and final. If a women carries to term, she has a lot more time to think it out before making a final choice to raise her baby or not.
All I know is my experience, I’ve worked in psychiatry for over 22 yrs and experienced many women who regretted having the procedure and ended up in therapy to learn how to forgive themselves. Believe me, the issue is very real for many women. Several of my firends have had abortions and, for most of them, it was an impulsive decision because they felt forced by their circumstances or parners to do it. Now, at an older age, they see things differently and most regret the choice they made. The thing I see alot is that they can tell you exactly how old the child would be now and whether it was a boy or a girl..so obviously they’ve given it thought and continue to do so.
I can honestly say I never met a woman who regretted giving birth..but many who regretted terminating their pregnancy. If you know women who look at their children and say they wish they would have aborted them instead, then they should have because someone who is that incapable of loving their own children shouldn’t be a parent. Like I said before, there are worse things than abortion.
Maybe your “30 something” generation who have no regrets are not far enough removed yet from their past decisions..it will be interesting for you to see how your friends look back on the choices they made when they’re my age and they look at life differently than they do now.
The law has changed so women CAN”T think about it. They have to rush the decision to get an abortion before the clock runs out.
Usually when a woman carries the baby to term, she’s gonna keep it. Even if that is a bad environment for both the woman and the baby. For those women who wish they had done it differently, they need to also think about how very different their lives would be now had they made a different decision. There is regret with every choice.
To say that a woman who gives birth and regrets the decision can’t love their children? WTF Mary? They’re often thinking about how awful the kid’s life is, how difficult their lives are, and how different it would be had they made another choice. It has everything to do with love and sacrifice. I’d argue that the ones who regret giving birth love their children even more. You shouldnt shame a woman for how she feels. I think they probably feel more shame over that than ever having an abortion. Society needs to allow women who keep their babies to advance without penalty, and stop all attempts at shame and guilt for their own personal decisions.