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http://www.kscourts.org/Cases-and-Opinions/opinions/ctapp/2008/20080201/96210.htm
Simply of interest and offered without comment. Here’s the perp.
http://165.201.143.205/kasper2/offender.asp?id=43174
Seeking to crush the Shiites in Basra and elsewhere:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23855485
U.S. warplanes widen bombings of Basra
A question: What Shiite groups were involved in the ill-fated uprising against Saddam after Gulf War 1? Remember that one – when Bush 1 encouraged them to rise up and we then stood by while they were crushed? And then we subsequently called it war crimes when Saddam crushed the rebellion?
And now it is the US and our new ally in Baghdad crushing a Shiite rebellion …
At City Arts today we’re having our ‘Dog Gone’ party. The hours are 10am to 4pm.
Every year the April dog show at the coliseum includes the ‘Art Show at the Dog Show’. During the month of March the 200 entries are displayed at City Arts and Century II.
The party today will have something for everybody, kids and dogs welcome!
Good morning Hank – wish I could join you but have to work all day. Should get either home or to Players just in time for tipoff tonight.
Real American, I am saddened by these developments as after some many years of inept handing. The administration was finally doing something that was constructive at least on the military aspect. Its sad it took some many years and deaths for someone to finally shake the cobwebs out and at least start on a good path. Even though after this was still an adage as to the answer to “what next?”.
Bush will be a black spot on this country’s history long after he is gone, but in reality this is not about the spot on Bush as much as the spot on the United States. Bush will experience the seven levels of hell for what his and his administration has done and deserve every flame that burns. But his fate is unimportant compared to the fate of this country. Yes I want for us to success in Iraq and finally correct this it is the only atonement that will correct this mistake. If it can not be corrected, it will cause the downfall of the U.S.
after some many years of inept handing.
should have neem: after so many years of inept handling.
sorry
OH forget it! more coffee needed!
The Iraqi viewpoint:
http://gorillasguides.com/
Don’t forget. Send the fossil fuels folks a message tonight between 8 and 9
http://www.earthhour.org
Check out Google and their earth hour message.
Wonder if Earth Hour will interfere with the NCAA tournament games??
I always said that once they had the Sunni problem under control, the Shiites would start fighting amongst themselves. Bush is right, this is a defining moment. The moment when the real civil war starts.
Pursuant to the article on Operation Rescue’s website today:
http://www.operationrescue.org/?p=897#comments
Evidently, a prayer meeting is being conducted today with a practicing abortionist. Naturally, I am wondering if this physician is our own Dr. Tiller.
Unsurprisingly, I am concerned about the peaceability of this meeting. Certainly, I’m concerned that someone who admires Paul Hill may be in attendance. I hope that will not be the case. But I have to ask, anyway.
It is surely the privilege of any human being to change his or her mind about the moral dimensions of a social issue. However, it’s another thing entirely for someone like, say, oh, I don’t know….Bernard Nathanson for one……to perform more than 7,000 abortions and then purport to have the answers for every single woman out there. He does so – because I’ve read his airy dismissals.
They trouble me; just as I remain troubled by my own abortion.
Anyway, I hope this meeting will be conducted in a manner in which Christ would have been proud.
Sounds like we’re going back to the old shock and awe routine in Iraq.
I can just see the expression on bush’s face when he learns that all shiites are not united!
Reminds me of Operation Phoenix, free-fire zones, and ‘we had to destroy the village in order to save it’
Sounds like Iraq and bush can’t get their Shi ite together…
No offense to the Indians, but when they put different tribes on the same reservation, guess what happened!
Sounds like that “Mission” wasnt quite “Accomplished” back when he visited the deck of that Ship!!
Good one JR! LOL
Phantom – I think similar results were observed in other concentration camp situations. When resources are so extremely limited people turn on each other.
Writerdog,
A bit much don’t you think? Saying that Bush will experience hell for this?
Irrational hate….
And so will you for defending evil Nathan.
Political Mama,
LOL!
How is Bush evil?
Do you even believe in Heaven and Hell and how to get there?
Of the two of us, I readily profess Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, the ONE TRUE God.
Do you?
A little refresher course for those with short memories, on standing up so we can stand down:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080329/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_to_grow_an_army_4
Bush will never be alone, he’ll have at least 4000 phantoms following him around for the rest of his days.
I keep reading about % of race. Part Black, White, Indian, Irish etc:.. Some go by blood, some go by heart, some go by life style and others by demographics. What is considered the norm? What are we to base ouyselves against or compare ourselves too to see how close to normal we are? I still believe in the “Human Race”. I do believe in ethnic backgrounds. I do also realize 75% of the United States doesn’t. The other countries live by “Ethnicity”. We live by clicks or neighborhoods. Geeks, Grundge, Hoods, Backwoods, This side of the tracks instead of the otherside of the tracks, Homo, Lesbo, updtown, Downtown, Midtown, from the streets as a House and from the streets as a neighborhood. I understand turf. Everyone has turf or clicks of origin and where they live. We are common yet different. I understand where people are upset because some seem to get things because they are Indian, like Gambling. Because they are Black, they get affirmative action. Because they are female they can know vote. Jealousy!!! Jealous of Mexicans/Latinos who are working. Name the jobs they do, that you want to do, that they are stealing?? When did you want to be a maid, a produce picker, a lowest income laborer. Think of and name a job they do you are willing to do for the same pay and work requirement. Blacks get to haul trash and do backbreaking labor. Noone complained at them. Yet we bitch at affirmative action. We tend to bitch 80% of the time about things we dont know a thing about. The news concentrates on neighborhoods destroying eachother. They dont ever show us the Government setting up a situation by stealing resources from all these groups. They dont show the side of the “White Collar Theif”. They look at thir paycheck and then decide, what story and at what point have I been payed to cover. Do I tell the truth or tell what I am told by the amount of my pay. Representatives seem to Represent their own opinions and exspect us to have the same opinion because we voted for them. Not all Representatives do this. Some do ask us what we feel about an issue before they vote on it. Unfortunately, I dont get that thru my Representative. Vickrey is the “They voted for me type”. He tells us after, “This is what I did or how I voted, you cannot change it, what do you think? He then walks off when we are stupid enought to try to answer him. We then vote him back in and forget that he doesnt Represent us. He Represents hisself”. Not all Poloticians are like this. We need to get involved and see what is going on. We need to go to meetings and see what they are upto. We need to get the “NEWS” firtshand. We need to step up, the right way, and demand they listen. We need to be, “For the People by the People”. Not, “Vote and forget it, they will do what I feel.” They cannot read minds, they have personal opinions until we express ours. Meet with them and express your views. Get Representation in Topeka. Take turns being there. Have meetings and send eachother for updates and to see whats going on. There is no Law against sending eachother and communicating back to eachother. Stop staying busy sabatoging eachother. Work with eachother and not against eachother. Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist, west.herb@yahoo.com
Didn’t the brits have Basra covered?
Nathan, God is our father,Jesus is our Brother. Our Father Who art in Heaven is God. Jesus comes from Mother Mary of Jerusalem. Thru Immaculate Conception. Jesus is the gift/son of God and the Messiah in christian belief. He cannot be God as a gift from himself. He is our brother, of the highest human corporeal concept of the devine idea. Jesus is our brother. God is our Father. God Bless. Herbert West III, Publisher/Journalist, west.herb@yahoo.com P.S. I am Baptist,
Herb,
So you don’t believe Jesus is Divine?
More Reagan wisdom:
“I won a nickname, the ‘Great Communicator.’ But I never thought it was my style or the words I used that made a difference: It was the content. I wasn’t a great communicator, but I communicated great things, and they didn’t spring full bloom from my brow, they came from the heart of a great nation — from our experience, our wisdom and our belief in the principles that have guided us for two centuries. They called it the Reagan Revolution. Well, I’ll accept that, but for me it always seemed like the Great Rediscovery — a rediscovery of our values and our common sense.” –Ronald Reagan
Yes, common sense like spending far more than you take in and leaving the bill for your grandchildren’s children.
outlander
Posted March 29, 2008 at 1:56 pm | Permalink
More Reagan wisdom
…….called it the Reagan Revolution. Well, I’ll accept that, but for me it always seemed like the Great Rediscovery — a rediscovery of our values and our common sense.” –Ronald Reagan
and of how to screw the middle class.
Has anyone here forgotten that phone number area codes and ‘toll-frees’ have 3 digits, not 2?
‘President Drops a Digit but Gets Help From a Homeowner’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/28/AR2008032803387.html
And last Dec, Bush incorrectly gave it as “1-800″ instead of “1-888″.
The Great Rediscovery, was when the rediscovered you can screw the hell out of your followers if you throw them a morality bone every once and a while.
Yes rediscovering you can arm and support central american dictators whose goons murder and rape children. Great set of values that reagan had. But then Bush has the same set, basically.
Nathan honestly I can not think of a worst punishment for what the Neoconservatives and George Walker Bush have done to this nation. Irrational hate? What sin against this country would warrant a “rational hate”? He had those who attacked this nation and killed over three thousand Americans on the run. Then took the focus from the terrorists and redirected the focus to a minor threat at best. And certainly one that did not pose an immediate and real threat to the U.S. The evidence to back such an action was at best questionable and certainly not warranting the distraction from those that attacked us and has cause the lost the over whelming support of the world.
He did not lie as much as only looked for the justification for the preconceived intent to oust Saddam. Ironically it turns out if the Iraq special operation group had been looking for evidence of a connection between state sponsorship of the 9-11 terrorists. They ignore evidence that Iran did give aid to the terrorists that the NSA had collected prior to 9-11. But the lack of hard evidence that would have warranted the side trip to Iraq. Did not phase them as they operate under the premise “Just because there is no proof they are doing it. Does not mean they are not!”. The special operations group was only looking for any evidence to support their claims and ignored evidence that did not support their conclusions. If I am convinced you are a chicken, the lack of you being able to lay eggs will not mean anything. Likewise, they were only looking for evidence of a Saddam connection. failing to find that hard evidence they took uncorroborated reports and subjective guessing as to what a picture is and only if that subjective guess was in their opinions favor. Taking the focus off the real threat and making a unrealistic threat into a real one. Meanwhile those that caused 9-11 are now safe and sound, growing in strength and still a real threat six years later.
This is not irrational hatred, quite the contrary it is the only rational emotion to have.
Phantom: Nope, the Brits have reduced their presence in Iraq generally and that area specifically, moving away from Basra proper several months ago, claiming their presence only diminished the prospects of peace
Gotta love that high minded Reagan, while his wife was promoting “Just say No to drugs”, he was trading drugs to get money for arming an oppressive movement.
Herb…the Imaculate Conception refers to Mary (mother of Jesus) having been born without original sin on her soul, not Jesus being conceived without sex. That’s the virgin birth. People always mistake the two.
No offense WriterDog, but you haveturned into a screaming mimi right after your son joined the military.
90 percent of your posts have become anti-Bush now.
Regular — You are counting??? LOL
Nathan,
Your cherry picking about whether or not someone professes Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior gets old real quick.
I suggest you take a look at the real world, and the religions it encompasses:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
It’s actually a fascinating list of just about every religion. My questions to you are: Which ones are true religions; which ones will God condemn for not believing what you profess? To ask someone their personal beliefs about religion, then interject your beliefs as if theirs will condemn them to hell smacks of many sins, pride being one of them.
You bash people for what you claim are their disbeliefs in everything biblical. Galileo spent the last 18 months of his life under house arrest for teaching the earth was NOT the center of the universe, in direct conflict with the bible. Many were killed for believing that.
Son of a gun, turns out the bible was not correct, or, as many want us to believe, just a slight misinterpretation. Sorry, dead people, haha. So how much more is not correct?
While I am a God fearing, Christian (though probably not your idea of the same) man, I understand many biblical teachings were written as they were to match the era which they were written. Do you think for one minute ancient people would understand DNA, life millions of years old, the real universe and it’s cosmic distances, the atom?
I’m sure you will think I’m some kind of heathen for thinking that, but I think, as Einstein did, religion without science is foolish. I also think your attacks on others beliefs is just as foolish.
So feel free to ask me anything religious, or accuse me of anything religious (or non-religious as the case may be), and my only answer to you is: Eat my shorts.
If regular had watched Nightline this week, he might have been enlightened concerning the series of events leading up to the invasion of Iraq. He would also have learned there in nothing irrational in Writerdog’s contention concerning Bush. Bush was planning the invasion of Iraq from the day he was sworn in, and he intended to see that come to fruition come hell, high water, faulty intelligence or outright lies.
J M Walker, On one of my puters, I have a letter that proves just what you sid, about Bush’s intent to attack Iraq BEFORE 9/11… He merely used his lies about 9/11 to carry out what he already had planned!!
Nine minutes to Earth hour.
http://www.earthhour.org
Nathan
Posted March 29, 2008 at 1:55 pm | Permalink
Herb,
So you don’t believe Jesus is Divine?
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Nathan, Herb didnt SAY that!! Go read it again!!
I only have one lamp on… is that good enough??
Talk about home court advantage… UNC is playing in Charlotte, NC!! Against Louisville!!
(turns off all lights)
(turns on diesel co2 spewing generator so he can see)
Well, I guess this computer could use an hour of down time…
Based on my incredible ability to predict, as evidenced by my correct bet that Xavier would beat UCLA, I am making the following predictions…..
John McCain will win the presidency in a landslide over John Kerry.
George W Bush will admit that he lied about SCHIP, AWOL, TANG, WMD and several other acronyms.
Nathan Price will join the ACLU.
Regular will admit that he has used hundreds of nics on this Blog and that he is basically a lonely, old, fat liar that knows little or nothing about anything.
Max will have an epiphany and will renounce guns and gun owners and will adopt the Gandhi philosophy of non-violence.
The Bay City Rollers will be elected to the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame.
I will be proven to be the father of Halle Berry’s child and we will wed, living happily ever after.
LOL WTG Clark!!
So Chas you really aren’t observing ‘earth hour’? JR and Cosmos will be pulling your credentials and you will not be invited to the next’earth day’.
Thanks Mary Caruso, for the clarification. And to Nathan, God is God, Jesus is Jesus. They are not the same was my point. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com
If everyone wants to pile on Nathan when he defends his faith why bring up the subject. Also why chastise him for believing as he does. In this world we live in isn’t that OK?
I am watching B’Ball – and I will make up for my hour with two hours tomorrow morning.
Who the Hell decided that Saturday night during the Round of Sixteen would be a good time to shut everything down?
Damn.
“Also why chastise him for believing as he does.”
Ah, because he chastises us for what WE believe in?
Isn’t that Chas’s full name?
Chas Tise?
(chortles)
No, it’s Charles.
Actually KsGrm I will observe Earth Day on April 22, just as I have since the FIRST one over 30 years ago… The “earth hour” organizers did a poor job of planning the event!! Not very practical to have it on a Sat. nite…
Yeah the timing was a little poorly planned with the b ball and all.
And the weather did not help around here much. No stars tonight.
The important thing is to be conscious of your energy use and how you can conserve.
Oh and ksgrm?
Please do not presume to speak for me.
Thanks.
KsGrm — I guess you are just going to ignore the possible “Cabinet” members I posted earlier?? You cant post why you see something “wrong” with my list??
KsGrm asks >>>>
“Also why chastise him for believing as he does. In this world we live in isn’t that OK?”
I would assume that it has something to do with the way Nathan jumps on others for their beliefs, that disagree, or are simply different, from his.
Just a guess…
BTW JR — I am burning two 75W light bulbs, my TV, and my puter… pretty low energy use for a Sat. nite, eh??
Not bad Chas.
The event got very little press. I am disappointed the eds did not give it a thread.
I didn’t even know about it til a letter to the eds a week ago.
There is SO much waste of energy. There is a store near me that closed in January.
The lights are still on inside.
I know of another store closed for more than 9 years. The lights are still on there too.
Dumb.
Maybe their lights are required by their insurance companies???
Uh oh — Louisville has the lead cut to ONE with 11 mins. to play… WOW!!
Well, Louisville tried!!
A company did a energy audit.
They had electric heating cables built into the parking lot, to melt the occasional winter snow/ice storm.
The heating cables had been left turned on year-round.
Ohh Myyy BIG electric bill!! OUCH!!
Always thought it would be neat to put heating cables in my driveway for winter… Probably a waste of $$$ but still a neat idea!!
Well, late night tonight…
Good night; Good luck;
God bless; whatever you conceive God to be!!
Blessings ALL!!
Special Blessings on New Growth and New LIFE!!
Well, that was interesting. I’d acutally done this before (during a power failure), but first time I ever voluntarily did that .
Did what? Well, without going into crass detail, let’s just say the light from from my beard trimmer helped my aim. Things went quite well, thank you. :)
The Bay City Rollers will be elected to the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame.
Heh, Clarkie, I suspect one has to be at least forty to have any chance of getting that reference! Brings back memories (my best friend back then christened them the “Gay City Rollers”).
But, hey, it’s a SATURDAY NIIIIGHT! </i
doo dah
doo dah
“The Bay City Rollers will be elected to the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame.”
Another tremendouse waste of the taxpayers money: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland Ohio.
My god! Next they will be wanting to make a national park out of Woodstock!
:shock:
JM Walker,
It is rather ironic that you say I am condmening people to hell here.
No where did I do that or say that.
So far, the only people to condemn anyone to hell is Writerdog and Political Mama, who upthread couldn’t say it much clearer than they did.
I don’t bash people either. When someone says something which I believe to be false I call them on it.
The Bible doesn’t claim that the Earth is the center of the universe either.
For someone who claims to read the Bible and call yourself a Christian you hold the same views on the Bible as the common atheist who is out to attack it.
I don’t think talking to you on a blog would do any justice to this type of conversation.
Perhaps you would like to get together sometime over dinner?
WS Clark,
If the Supreme Court clearly says that the 2nd Amendment provides some protection for an INDIVIDUAL right to bear arms and then the ACLU actually starts fighting for that as well…
I might just join the ACLU.
JM Walker,
I also find it ironic that you have no problem telling the person here who claims that Jesus Christ is the key to salvation how wrong I am for doing that and saying how wrong it is to tell others they are wrong.
All the while calling yourself a Christian and not saying a word to anyone else…
I suppose you wouldn’t see the double standard in saying I am wrong for telling others they are wrong?
LOL
“I might just join the ACLU.”
And I might grow wings and fly.
“And I might grow wings and fly.”
Obviously, this is something a drug abuser would do.
Someone who has had their brain cells totally burned out…..
Or Price might join the ACLU.
Nathan, seriously, quit threatening people. Even if you don’t mean it that way, it sure sounds like a threat when you say you can’t discuss it here, we should ‘meet for lunch’.
I was in town today, too bad I was running shy on time. I would have met you.
I want to thank MaryC for the wonderful time I had tonight.
I L O V E D the Opera. Unfortunately, unless I have a driver, I’ll never return to Century 2. I cannot walk 3 blocks to find parking. I was in agony all night- and the walk back..sheer murder. Perhaps a tram????? They’ve got all that space down there, MAKE A PARKING LOT. It made me further resolved that the downtown Arena thing was the most stupid idea ever.
Politcal Mama,
I am not threatening anyone. I know JM Walker.
Since when did inviting people out for lunch or dinner become a threat? You liberals think everything is some threat.
My comment was very clear. “I don’t think talking to you on a blog would do any justice to this type of conversation.” There is no threatening language at all in saying that.
“There is no threatening language at all in saying that.”
Nathan, just be breathing, you are a threat to them.
You don’t listen to the sheep tape recordings….
Damn, another new nic for McCluer – Interpreter!!!
Wow!!!!!!
“There is no threatening language at all in saying that.”
But just in case, you’ll bring your gun.
But you don’t know me, and you said a very very similar thing to me the other day. And IIRC, you said it to someone that day you got the thread shut down.
Stop doing it. If you’re gonna ask someone to lunch, do it in a thread where you’re not disagreeing fiercly with the person you’re inviting.
Geez are the Price’s threatening people with lunch again?
Old tac of theirs. I mean way old and going way back.
A while back I asked “Nathan” why he wasn’t stop-lossed.
His behavior in this forum sure points to many of the symptoms of PTSD. His fanatical evangelicalism, his paranoia that keeps him armed at all times, his feigned ignorance of aruments that have been long-ago settled (George WMD Bush never used cocaine? Please…), all contribute to a legititmate belief “Nathan” is a ticking time bomb.
And that’s not an attack (unless it’s an attack of the miserable treatment the George WMD Bush administration has given to returning Iraq War veterans); it’s offered as hope that “Nathan” gets gets the help he so obviously needs.
Nathan, what you got from me is a taste of your own medicine. Your interpretation of what I wrote is so far off base as to be laughable. I hold a belief in the bible that many hold: that it is a book on how to live your life, and carries the word of God, and that has nothing to do with atheism (where did you come up with that one?)
As for condemning people to hell; what is it you are trying to do by pulling out answers to questions concerning someones personal beliefs in Christ in the manor you do? I know what I believe, and don’t believe, and whether or not that is anyones business is something between me and my God. But it sure ain’t your business to be equating my thoughts to atheism, regardless of your religious beliefs. That’s about as assinine as it gets.
You still did not answer my question, something you accuse others of when you ask one, so please read the adherents link and answer my question.
O, and if the bible did not say the earth was the center of the universe, then why was Galileo locked up for attempting to prove it wasn’t, when the reason for the lockup was just that?
The bible is the word of God, however, it was written by man, so please point out to me one human, other than Christ, who is mistake free?
Nathan states >>>
“For someone who claims to read the Bible and call yourself a Christian you hold the same views on the Bible as the common atheist who is out to attack it.”
Nathan, if that isnt calling someone an atheist who disagrees with you, then you have a major problem with using the English language, in addition to other dysfunctional matters.
You just cant make up this stuff!
Speaking as a “common atheist” Nathan, we do not often feel a need to attack a book that we do not consider all that important. Grow up, please.
I have no interest in attacking Christianity, I just don’t want anyone else’s belief system to be shoved down my throat in a futile attempt to “save” me. I do admit I enjoy pointing out the hyprocisy of religion and those who profess their beliefs but live their lives opposite of the values they claim to cherish.
Mary I lost respect for you with that last post. Nathan has said the same thing only he doesn’t want his belief system debased by the rhetoric on many on this blog. So it is ok for you and the others to shove your opinions down Nathans throat and he isn’t supposed to respond. That is a bully tactic, a pack mentality and I expected more from you.
Atheists don’t go door to door.
Ksgrm,
Thankyou, but they simply don’t see the logic.
It is like the Post Modern idea that there is not any absolute truth. (Except for the statement that there is not any absolute truth… LOL)
They have no problem telling me how wrong my faith it and how wrong I am. Yet when I say they are wrong they howl and scream that I have no right or I am bashing them or that I shouldn’t do that. (Except for them telling me I am wrong of course)
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Posted March 30, 2008 at 1:09 am | Permalink
Speaking as a “common atheist” Nathan, we do not often feel a need to attack a book that we do not consider all that important. Grow up, please.
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There you go Nathan, ::/Chas/Das/Sugar admits to being an atheist. Some Minister eh?