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“She was doing everything she was supposed to do to stay alive”
The sickening details of the murder of Meredith Emerson have been published by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

One of the telling quotes to that sad tale is found about half-way down the article. It is from a Georgia Bureau of Investigation officer in response to the discovery that Meredith had not only struggled with her murderer, but when he asked for her ATM PIN number, she repeatedly gave him wrong numbers — the quote is:

“That’s one thing that broke my heart in this case,” Bridges said. “She was doing everything she was supposed to do to stay alive, and we didn’t get there in time.”

Allow me to repeat the salient point: “She was doing everything she was supposed to do to stay alive”

That is incorrect.

Meredith Emerson did not do “everything she was supposed to do”

What she did was what forty years of liberal doublethink, forty years of pansy-arsed hippie empathy and guilt; and several decades of deliberate victim mentality systematically foisted onto the population in general and women in particular by the government and ivory-tower feel-good “intellectual” panty-waists have unilaterally decided that women are supposed to do.

In a just and sane world, Meredith Emerson would have been told from early girl-hood that she was expected to defend herself from unlawful force.

In a just and sane world, Meredith Emerson would have been taught not to fear firearms, but to accept them as tools for her defence.

In a just and sane world, Meredith Emerson would have grown up in a culture that supported her right to self-defence and a culture that promoted such.

In a just and sane world, Meredith Emerson would have been able to pick the firearm that best suited her without fear of arrest or sanction; and she would have been able to carry said firearm where and whenever she felt the need without some snot-nosed sanctimonious busybody drenching their knickers over that simple act.

In a just and sane world, Meredith Emerson would have been supported by state and Federal governments that would have allowed, abetted and encouraged her training with firearms.

In a just and sane world, when Gary Michael Hilton stepped out of the undergrowth with a bayonet and a baton, Meredith Emerson would have produced a .38 and centre-punched his rotten heart out through his spineless back.

Gary Michael Hilton is the rapist and murderer of Meredith Emerson.

The State and Federal Governments who consistently pass stupid and illogical firearms laws; the Brady Bunch who continue to parrot the foul and malicious lie that “Only the military and police need guns”; Hollywood’s sanctimonious assertation that “Violence is never the answer”, “Guns are a red-neck thing”, and “Women will only get hurt by guns”; not to mention societies acceptance of the Cult of Victimhood to the point where said Cult is a gods-be-damned State Religion — each and every one of these is an unindicted co-conspirator to the crimes that took this young ladies life.

And I hope the lot of you roast in hell for it.

http://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2008/03/she-was-doing-everything-she-was.html

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/03/22/hilton_0323.html

Thanks for the post Songbird, informative and entertaining as usual.

Oh and sorry for your troubles, but at least you can pen out your troubles in a manner that puts life into perspective. :)

Just read taylor durdan’s(?) post on yesterday’s holcomb thread. Amazing: A company steps into a niche, does well (Son of a gun: The American Dream), and gets pounded by someone who hasn’t a clue as to what he’s talking about. How typical can one get?

http://www.georgiapacking.org

heckler,

Mr.lawdog must not be aware of Georgia concealed carry laws. I believe it is up to the individual to purchase the firearm apply for the permit, learn how to use the weapon. Be willing to use deadly force in self defense.

If you are assigning blame in the womans death, that would be her attacker. Blaming her death on the liberals is silly.

I can understand the quote of, “Firearms/Guns” are not needed”. Why? Cops dont shoot everyone they deal with. I have had 1 cop in 41 years pull a gun on me. I have been pulled over about 15 times since I was 16. 25 years and 1 time a cop pulls a gun on me. But, I do have to also look at, all cops who have pulled me over, have had the option and their gun was available. Self defense is more than beating eachother and shooting eachother. We are taught to “never” fight over property and stuff. Only are “lives”!! We are supposed to give atm pin#s, we are to give cars to them etc:.. It sucks, yea. 99% of those who are mugged or car jacked are alive to be interviewed. They protected their lives by being cooperative and the Police will investigate their property loss. I have studied Martial Arts my whole life. I collect instructor manuels. I have about 8 old time ones, that teach up to the 2nd degree black belt, each. From the 1930 and the late 60’s. They all state, ” Give up your property, fight for your life ONLY”! This is in Kobutakan Judo, Aikido, Ji-Jitsu {Japanese Combat Judo}, Tiger Ju Jitsu, Kenpo, and Judo. All of them teach weopan disarmment in technique yet all teach and state, “Never over property, “LIFE ONLY”. I have had to defend myself about 5 times in 41 years. I never used a weopan. I have never been mugged. I have taken a gun from someone. I was 9 years old he was 6. He found his brothers stolen gun and pointed it at me. I talked him into firing it into a hole in the ground and when he lowered it towards the hole I took it from him and gave it to my grandfather. This kids dad should have had the gun locked up. He did not. Gun Control is more important or even as equally important as Legislation also. If we follow these rules they dont have to tighten them as much. It is also personal responsibility. I am not judging the women who fight or dont fight. I dont feel they should be victims. The time to argue the point is not when it is 1 on 1 with a mugger or thief. Take a multitude of self defense classes. Get more that 1 opinion. Not all thieves and muggers think or act the same. They all have different Motives and Intentions for what they are doing. The world is dangerous. We need to be in tune to our world. We need to continue to use our brains and mental actions to survive. If we punch, they punch. Again they feel they have the right to Mug and Rob us. They will feel they have the right to hit us back. They will hit with a weopan. Get out of the situation 2 ways. 1. Stay out of situations, even if you are being stuborn and living “I can do as I feel”. 2. Make it thru the situation by, “Preserving life, forget about property”. Tell the police later thru verbal communications and interviews by you, not your autopsy. This also protects the next person by helping the Police catch these people and stopping them in how they communicate with everyone to include you and I. To find a qualified self defense course or class in your area go to your local Police Department or Sheriffs Office, ask them. Ask your Lawyer. Go to limewire.com and the other internet download sites. They have videos and classes taped there. They are free. I also found http://www.judoinfo.com . It is free. It teaches everything, exstensively about JUDO. Live safe, God Bless. Herbert west III, west.herb@yahoo.com

“Hillary, the candidacy that wouldn’t die. You cut her head off and she keeps crawling toward you”.
(S. Cobert)

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION:

Speak now or forever hold your peace.

The senate passeda watered down version of the illegal immigration bill. They bowed to the pressure from BIG business (and little business) and passed legislation to pat them on the hand with a small fine. Previously, they were going to PULL THE BUSINESS LICENSE/PERMIT for businesses which
K-N-O-W-I-N-G-L-Y HIRE ILLEGAL ALIENS.

The lobby got to them. It is up the the HOUSE now today…….

Email or preferrably call them at this late date and tell them NOT to knuckle under to lobby groups.

Otherwise, Kansas will be the refugee state surrounded by states which have ALREADY passed tough illegal immigrant laws.

If this concerns you: YOU MUST ACT NOW~!

http://www.kslegislature.org/legsrv-legisportal/redistricting.do

This is Friday, and this is the Open Thread and everyone needs a bit of humor for the weekend.

HOW TO HANDLE IRRITATING SEATMATES ON AN AIRPLANE

If you are sitting next to someone who irritates you follow
these instructions:

1. Quietly and calmly open up your laptop case.

2. Remove your laptop.

3. Start up

4. Make sure the guy who is annoying you, can see the screen.

5. Close your eyes, tilt your head up to the sky & move your
lips as if praying

6. Then hit this link

http://boortz.com/mp3/archive/countdown.swf

Something I ran across, and philosophically says a number of things better than I can. A sample:

“As a child of the ’60s, I accepted as an article of faith that government is corrupt, that business is exploitative, and that people are generally good at heart.
. . . .
“But in my life, a brief review revealed, everything was not always wrong, and neither was nor is always wrong in the community in which I live, or in my country. Further, it was not always wrong in previous communities in which I lived, and among the various and mobile classes of which I was at various times a part.
. . . .
“I’d observed that lust, greed, envy, sloth, and their pals are giving the world a good run for its money, but that nonetheless, people in general seem to get from day to day; and that we in the United States get from day to day under rather wonderful and privileged circumstances—that we are not and never have been the villains that some of the world and some of our citizens make us out to be, but that we are a confection of normal (greedy, lustful, duplicitous, corrupt, inspired—in short, human) individuals living under a spectacularly effective compact called the Constitution, and lucky to get it.

For the Constitution, rather than suggesting that all behave in a godlike manner, recognizes that, to the contrary, people are swine and will take any opportunity to subvert any agreement in order to pursue what they consider to be their proper interests.

To that end, the Constitution separates the power of the state into those three branches which are for most of us (I include myself) the only thing we remember from 12 years of schooling.

The Constitution, written by men with some experience of actual government, assumes that the chief executive will work to be king, the Parliament will scheme to sell off the silverware, and the judiciary will consider itself Olympian and do everything it can to much improve (destroy) the work of the other two branches. So the Constitution pits them against each other, in the attempt not to achieve stasis, but rather to allow for the constant corrections necessary to prevent one branch from getting too much power for too long.”

———-

A very nice piece. And this, for those of us who take our politics just a bit too seriously here, from the end of the piece:

“The right is mooing about faith, the left is mooing about change, and many are incensed about the fools on the other side—but, at the end of the day, they are the same folks we meet at the water cooler. Happy election season.”

Well said. Read it all for yourself.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0811,374064,374064,1.html/full

The red and blue separation allows our politicians to thrive, pitting us against each other. Putting on our team colors and cheering them on and boo’ing the other side – we help them

I can see That comment isn’t going away.
lo siento mucho.

lo siento mucho.

Is it ‘press 1 for English’?
Nein sprechen sie Esperanto

Agreed, Sol, excellent vid.

“I’m as guilty as the next guy trying to over intellectualize life.”

One problem there oh expert to the world — you would have to have something resembling intellect — at best you are a very bad plagarizer and academic snob ……

You went and done it DOOR KING! Reminded me of a joke: As the old man sat waiting to be taken to his room in the hospital. He asked the receptionist, “How old do you think I am?”. The receptionist said “Oh I would guess you are about 67… 68.”. “Ha Ha I am 92!” said the old man.

When the nurse and the old man got to just outside the room, the old man asked the nurse. “How old do you think I am?”. The nurse said, “Oh I would guess you are about 65, maybe 66!”. The old man laughed and said “ I am 92!”.

After the nurse got the old man into his bed and settled, she left the room. As the old man laid in his bed, the curtain that divided the room opened. And a old woman appeared and said “Hello I am your room mate!”. The old man asked her, “how old do you think I am?”

The old woman walked over to beside the bed, lifted the old man’s hospital gown and cradled his genitals in her hands. Than said, “You are 92!”. The old man looked at her with a shocked look on his face then looked down to where her hands were and back up to her face. “How could you tell?” he asked her.
“I heard you tell the nurse out in the hallway!, she replied.

Well, not in the mail yet, writerdog. ;) Mine should hit my account on May 9. Info on the date to expect your bundle of money (ha ha) can be found at irs.gov.

But here’s the problem. Where’s the explanation of how this “stimulus package” is going to create all these new jobs? Anyone have a clue? Maybe a “maybe”?

Call me curious…

$7.5 million to refurbish schools that are less than 5 years old!

http://wichita259truth.blogspot.com/

Um…I like Mary Caruso?

Spring is springing?

Glad y’all liked the link.

Heckler,

In a just and sane world, there would be no need for one to have to defend themselves.

“In a just and sane world, there would be no need for one to have to defend themselves.”

Too bad this isn’t a “just and sane” world. _____________________________

“OMG I’ve been unarmed for 35 years it’s amazing I’m still here.”

Maybe you don’t have anything that anybody wants.

I wonder how long Meredith Emerson went without needing a gun. It only takes once.

Or she might have had the weapon shoved up her …

There is simply no way to know what would have happened. I’ve lived a lot of decades now, and have been through a few situtations where at the time I wished I had a gun, and years afterwards, thanked the whisps of agnosticism that I didn’t.

Paulson is estimating the tax rate stimulus will create 600,000 jobs. Take note when the govt. truly wants to stimulate the economy and create jobs, they don’t target the filthy rich as has been bush policy, they target the working class and poor.

I had listened to his full speech a couple months ago (as given at Carnegie Mellon). It is inspiring! If anyone wants to hear the whole 76 minutes you can find it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo

He also has a website where he keeps those interested apprised of his days and his medical “news.” The last entry I saw was made March 26th (a few days ago) so he is still living and giving.

Thanks Sol! I had lost track of some of the lessons he gives an opportunity to learn. I need frequent reminders!

Sorry for repeating what had already been provided. A day late and a dollar short (like usual!). Maybe it was worth repeating.

I think this one is better.

http://download.srv.cs.cmu.edu/~pausch/news/index.html

fear of losing your money (well except to crooked televangelists),

That’s not losing money, PoliMom. they get it back 7 times over. Says so in the Bible and we know it’s never wrong.

I’m wondering if there were any “jobs” generated for the notice. I think the bulk of the expense was incurred for the paper and the toner, ink, whatever, and the postage. The normal employees would have taken care of the writing the notice, probably took a committee, to be sure, but they were there anyway; then, one to word process, off to the printers (IRS has its own printing or its own contractors for printing, so nothing too stimulative there). The notices were delivered through the USPS, and I don’t think additional folks were hired for this sole purpose.

Want a gun tradegy?

DEEPWATER, Mo. — Officials are trying to decide whether to file charges against a Missouri man who fatally shot his wife while trying to install a satellite TV system in the bedroom of their home.
http://www.kctv5.com/news/15698864/detail.html

Thank God this guy won’t have kids. Too bad his wife had to die to make it so.

LInda, it took me 3 readings to figure out what you were trying to do. And a niece and nephew are both hawk alums.
(ok, I’m slow, but I eventually get there 8^b~~~)

I thought the tax rebate notices were totally unnecessary also, attributed it to politicking.

Parents Pick Prayer Over Docs; Girl Dies RAW STORY
Published: Friday March 28, 2008

By ROBERT IMRIE

WESTON, Wis. (AP) — Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl’s death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

An autopsy showed Madeline Neumann died Sunday from diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that left too little insulin in her body, Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said.

She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness, the chief said Wednesday, noting that he expects to complete the investigation by Friday and forward the results to the district attorney.

The girl’s mother, Leilani Neumann, said the family believes in the Bible and that healing comes from God, but she said they do not belong to an organized religion or faith, are not fanatics and have nothing against doctors.

She insisted her youngest child, a wiry girl known to wear her straight brown hair in a ponytail, was in good health until recently.

“We just noticed a tiredness within the past two weeks,” she said Wednesday. “And then just the day before and that day (she died), it suddenly just went to a more serious situation. We stayed fast in prayer then. We believed that she would recover. We saw signs that to us, it looked like she was recovering.”

Her daughter — who hadn’t seen a doctor since she got some shots as a 3-year-old, according to Vergin — had no fever and there was warmth in her body, she said.

The girl’s father, Dale Neumann, a former police officer, said he started CPR “as soon as the breath of life left” his daughter’s body.

Family members elsewhere called authorities to seek help for the girl.

P-Mom – re: Heckler’s post.

As has been pointed out, you apparantly didn’t read it. The victim was NEVER blamed; that was of course not the point. But there is no blindness like willfull blindness and self-rightous indignation, so you’ll apparantly never get the point. I did. It’s not that hard. But you and your ilk are so busy propping up strawmen you miss the reality staring you in the face.

And Grateful Dave, yes, in a just and sane world, there would be no need for the woman to defend herself. We would all wish that. But it isn’t. It will never be. As long as human beings are human beings, it never will be. There will always be predators who will take what belongs to others, whether that be their money, their possessions, or their lives.

All of us: you, I, Heckler, and yes even P-mom, are ultimately responsible for our own safety, one way or another. Some take steps to prepare for that moment when the danger comes, hoping and praying that it will never come, but preparing to take the actions necessary if it does.

And some simply whistle in the dark and hope it doesn’t happen to them.

Which will you be?

Nano –

Saw that. That’s not a gun tragedy, that’s a brains tragedy. I don’t know who is more stupid: The idiot using a .22 to drill holes in his roof, or the wife who isn’t smart enough to get out of the way (she was killed on the 2ND shot!).

Of course, accidents are indeed nature’s way of weeding out the stupid.

GMC70,

To deny evolution is to give up hope.

Yessir !!!!

I take that back. With all the attempts to bott the box, it may have given problems. Whe you re-installed windows, did you do a full format?

To deny evolution is to give up hope.

Wonderful dave.

“To deny evolution is to give up hope.”

Which means what, exactly?

So what you do is package all the loans you’ve made unpayable because of userous interest rates and impossible fees into securities, and peddle them to wall street institutions? Wooo eee.

GMC70 says:

And Grateful Dave, yes, in a just and sane world, there would be no need for the woman to defend herself. We would all wish that. But it isn’t. It will never be. As long as human beings are human beings, it never will be. There will always be predators who will take what belongs to others, whether that be their money, their possessions, or their lives.

The above statements deny the capacity of mankind
to evolve beyond their current state.

Guess I read you mind right, GDave

I thought that on an anonymous blog, having a number of nics was acceptable. Now it is not?

Pot calling the kettle black?

Oh, wait, that wasn’t Pat Heron…

More news you won’t find in your national papers

March 28, 2008

Iraqi police in Basra shed their uniforms, kept their rifles and switched sides

Abu Iman barely flinched when the Iraqi Government ordered his unit of special police to move against al-Mahdi Army fighters in Basra.

His response, while swift, was not what British and US military trainers who have spent the past five years schooling the Iraqi security forces would have hoped for. He and 15 of his comrades took off their uniforms, kept their government-issued rifles and went over to the other side without a second thought.

Such turncoats are the thread that could unravel the British Army’s policy in southern Iraq. The military hoped that local forces would be able to combat extremists and allow the Army to withdraw gradually from the battle-scarred and untamed oil city that has fallen under the sway of Islamic fundamentalists, oil smugglers and petty tribal warlords. But if the British taught the police to shoot straight, they failed to instil a sense of unwavering loyalty to the State.

“We know the outcome of the fighting in advance because we already defeated the British in the streets of Basra and forced them to withdraw to their base,” Abu Iman told The Times.

“If we go back a bit, everyone remembers the fight with the US in Najaf and the damage and defeat we inflicted on them. Do you think the Iraqi Army is better than those armies? We are right and the Government is wrong. [Nouri al] Maliki [the Iraqi Prime Minister] is driving his Government into the ground.”

The reason for his apparent switch of sides was simple: the 36-year-old was already a member of the al-Mahdi Army which, like other militias, has massively infiltrated the British-trained police force in the southern oil city. He claimed that hundreds of others from the 16,000-strong force have also defected to the rebels’ ranks.Abu Iman joined the new Iraqi police force after the invasion, joining the Mugawil, a special police unit infamous for brutality, kidnapping and sectarian murders.

“We already heard two weeks ago that we were going to attack the Mahdi Army, so we were ready,” he said. “I decided to take off my uniform and join my brothers and friends in the Mahdi Army. All these years, we were like a scream in the face of the dictator and the occupation.” He said: “I joined the police because I believed we have to protect Basra and save it with our own hands. You can see we were the first fighters to take on Saddam and his regime, the best example being the Shabaniya uprising.”

Abu Iman said that the fighting raging in Basra yesterday was intense because the al-Mahdi Army was operating on its own turf. He was confident that the Shia militia would prevail because its cause was just.

“The Iraqi Army is already defeated from within. They come to Basra with fear in their hearts, knowing they have to fight their brothers, the sons of Iraq, because of an order from Bush and his friends in the Iraq Government. For this reason, all of the battles are going in the Mahdi Army’s favour.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3635838.ece

“When the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.” Bush

Yup. There standing up all right.

Except it’s for the other side.

Oops.

Despite Bush Claims, US Forces Leading Attacks on Mahdi Army

Tens of thousands of Iraqis took to the streets of Baghdad Thursday to protest the ongoing government crackdown on Shia fighters loyal to Muqtada al-Sadr. More than 130 people have been killed since Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki launched the crackdown on Sadr’s Mahdi Army on Tuesday. Earlier today, Maliki said he would extend a deadline for Mahdi fighters to lay down their arms until April 8th. As the fighting escalated, President Bush continued to sound off on the White House theme that the violence in Iraq marks a sign of US success.

President Bush:
“This offensive builds on the security gains of the surge and demonstrates to the Iraqi people that their government is committed to protecting them. There is a strong commitment by the central government of Iraq to say that no one is above the law. This operation is going to take some time to complete. And the enemy, you know, will try to fill the TV screens with violence. But the ultimate result will be this: terrorists and extremists in Iraq will know they have no place in a free and democratic society.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/3/28/headlines#1

GMC70
Posted March 28, 2008 at 11:08 am | Permalink
Nano –

Saw that. That’s not a gun tragedy, that’s a brains tragedy.
___________________________________
Yeah, but wouldn’t it be a beatch to be there when a thing like that happened?

I have no class. I would probably have laughed.

Justin Raimondo writes (at the libertarian site http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=12596)

When [prospective Iraqi leader] Chalabi’s shenanigans were exposed to the light of day, and his extensive interactions with the Iranians were revealed, a theory was floated by several in the intelligence community that we were basically suckered into the Iraq war by its chief beneficiaries, the Iranians. Using their chief asset, the double agent Chalabi, they and their neocon allies fed us ersatz “intelligence” via the various Iraqi “defectors” rounded up by the Iraqi National Congress and paraded across the front page of the New York Times by Judith Miller and her editors.

*****

That’s a clever theory. Iran’s intelligence fed us the WMD stories so we’d invade and take Saddam out for them.

I don’t entirely believe it, because Bush would have found any pretext to invade, and 9-11 just provided him one.

But certainly the victor in this war was Iran, which got a safer boarder, much higher oil prices, and no way for the US to invade it since we’re bogged down in Iraqmire . . .

Ever wonder how families cope with an imprisoned family member. Here’s a little link from the other side.

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=228644

Looks like Hydrogen Fuel alternatives for cars is not just around the corner. Better get that air conditioner recharged. It’s going to get a lot warmer. I’m telling you go buy a hybrid NOW, to help the environment and cut down on gas consumption. Why wait?

National Research Council:

“Besides technical barriers, economic and societal restrictions will impede the completion of FreedomCAR’s goal of a gradual transition from petroleum-based fuel to hydrogen. The committee acknowledged that the partnership’s Technology Validation Program is a well-conceived path to addressing some of these broader issues, and DOE is currently studying scenarios of the likely transition, including the economics involved. The report suggests extending these studies until 2030-2035 to account for the probable emergence of more mature hydrogen fuel systems and to ensure the most critical factors in production and delivery are understood…”

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12113

I do wonder why the “Big Three Automakers in Detroit” are part of the study group.

Isn’t that like having the fox in the henhouse?

Strange world you live in there, Herb. I don’t use ATMs, but if I did aproximately 1 second after I saw a mugger walking toward me with a gun pointed at me he would be dead.

He would never see my gun, I wouldn’t pull it out.

I hope the damn basketball doesn’t pre-emp 60 minutes Sunday evening.

Al Gore is gonna be on.

CBS) Self-avowed “P.R. agent for the planet” Al Gore says those who still doubt that global warming is caused by man – among them, Vice President Dick Cheney – are acting like the fringe groups who think the 1969 moon landing never really happened, or who once believed the world is flat.

The former vice president and former presidential candidate talks to 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl in an interview to be broadcast this Sunday, March 30, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Confronted by Stahl with the fact some prominent people, including the nation’s vice president, are not convinced that global warming is man-made, Gore responds: “You’re talking about Dick Cheney. I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view, they’re almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the world is flat,” says Gore. “That demeans them a little bit, but it’s not that far off,” he tells Stahl.

Well said Mr. President!

Remamber! Cigarettes are good for you! Nicotine is NOT addictive!

/sarcasm off

DoorK — That would be part of the consequence of committing the crime, and being convicted, and subsequently incarcerated for that crime. They can always write to their families.

Surely you wont try to argue that the family members are helpless without the criminal to provide for them?

Hank – and therein lies the problem. My solution tends along the lines of my ’swords-to-plowshares’ nuclear energy scenario. Also, of course, wind, solar, etc.

One idea I really find intriguing is this: if I can get it hot enough entropy will out-weigh enthanly and the free energy of dissociation will become negative. Then the water will split without going through electricity even though it is endothermic.

The beauty of hydrogen is you can provide the energy with wind power. It’s the way to store the power of the wind, though I admit at this time not economically feasible. A Gove county farmer has already done it. He used old combines reels to harvest the wind, alternators to produce the electricty to split the hydrogen in water from the 02. Stored both products in old oil field tanks. He’s dead now.

A super battery would be a better way, and right now, we probably have the tech to run a light car about 100 miles with lithium-ion batteries. Stanford has just announced a way to store ten times the lithium atoms in the same amount of space by using nano wires, but how much of an improvement over todays tech that will translate too is anyone’s guess. The most wide eyed claim a full ten-fold increase, which would mean one lithium battery could store 40 times as much power as a lead-acid battery of equal weight. I’m guessing about 4 times as much, which would be good enough to make plug-in cars very feasible.

Not at all discriminatory- matter of fact, I saw two white teen girls in Salina yesterday who were wearing their pants the same way. I thought, how stupid. So they can’t claim discrimination, I don’t want to see white girl’s underwear either.

By the way ::, how do you pronounce your nickname?

Storing O2 in an old oil tank, yea, that’ll work!

Herb,

You couldn’t be more wrong if you were trying to!

It doesn’t take anywhere near 20 seconds let alone 40 seconds to draw a weapon from a concealed carry.

Talk about complete ignorance when it comes to self defense and the use of a gun in self defense.

I am off to work, but I will address your stupidity later.

Hopefully no one actually believes that garbage you posted.

Nope, Door King. Using an electrolytic process. Cells with water, 128VDC, electrolyte, membrane separating the product.

Any thing goes wrong, Boom! You get all your energy back at once!

Nathan, time how long it takes you to pull out a water pistol from a concealed area on your person. Also have someone have one pointed at you. See who gets wet first!!!! People need to ask the Police and get the opinion clarified. If I am wrong, you are wrong, why are they shot? I am not there, nor are you. The Police know stats and odds. Again, how fast can you pull a water pistol out before your buddy gets you wet??? Hopefully they consult with the Police and get what is considered viable opinions then!!! Herb West III west.herb@yahoo.com

Herb,

I am not disputing the argument that someone having a gun pointed at you obviously has the advantage.

However, the advantage you have is time.

The criminal doesn’t know you have a gun unless he pats you down and finds it.

You have all the time to choose when or if you can draw and use your pistol.

That is the advantage of carrying concealed and why it is silly to simply say we should all be open carry.

The element of surprise is yours with concealed carry.

Your times on how long it takes to draw a concealed weapon are absurd.

Here is an article by an expert in self defense with a pistol on times:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_9_51/ai_n14816183

Or you could just use a drive up ATM or one inside a Dillon’s.

“I can draw my pistol from the concealed carry and place two well aimed shots into a target in about 2 seconds.”

Nice to know you are qualified to guest star on “Gunsmoke”.

Herb IS correct. In most cases, conceal carry people will be caught by surprise and have no time to use their weapon to STOP a crime.

They just have the ability to avenge the crime.

For my purposes? I don’t live in the best neighborhood. So I carry two wallets. One with my money and stuff. The other has a dollar, some Monopoly money and a note that reads “I could have shot you while you were running away. But even the contents of my real wallet are not worth your life. I hope you find a safer way to get by. Good luck.”

IF I am ever confronted, I’ll just throw the phony wallet and run. By the time the accoster discovers he has been had, I will be safely away.

“…but had also taught them that a concealing garment would add a good half second. This was proven here. Average time ran 2.12 seconds.”

From the article. Having a concealed weapon only adds a half second to your draw time.

Herb is not even close to how long it takes to draw a weapon.

If you want to believe him and the other resident nut cases on weapons, then good luck to you.

I take self defense very seriously. This is not some partisan issue where Nathan is wrong simply because he is Nathan.

I teach self defense, I teach Marksmanship, I am an authority in this area.

If you want to ask me a question, don’t hide behind punctuation marks.

::,

Duh. Then why ask the question?

Even the dumbest among us are extra cautious at ATMs. The way I carry, I can reach in and fire my gun without pulling it out of my clothes.

If my back is to the thief I turn to my left to face him and before he can see what my right hand is doing I merely shoot him through my shirt.

He’ll never see me pull a gun. Two shots center mass, pull my weapon, head shot. Count my money, call the police, home for dinner.

Here’s a peek at what the Republicans view as fiscal responsibility…………….

“Staying on Bush’s Course – McCain’s fiscal program is either a joke or a fantasy”

“There’s an emerging theme surrounding his campaign: The problem with the last eight years isn’t that the Bush administration had the wrong policies or was incompetent. No, the problem is that it lacked intensity”

That’s all we need – intensity.

Yeah, right.

The McBush tax cut plans will result in $400 billion in reduced revenue, without a fraction of that in spending cuts.

In other words, bigger and better deficits!!!!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/129402

You only THINK you are an “expert” in the area of sel defense marine-boy.

What you ARE is a rightwing gun nut.

hank – and with my ‘reverse PIN’ we can have video on “America’s dumbest crooks”

And assuming no jacket, does your holster swivel under your shirt?

All charges dropped against another Haditha Marine.

Jack Murtha where are you?

“All charges dropped against another Haditha Marine.”

No surprise there. And who did the dropping? His comrades-in-arms?

JR – one reason I still tend to side with Hank here is that this is the kind of guy who would blow away some little old lady because she got flustered trying to make the ATM work. Better the crook gets shot than an innocent victim.

Hey Ben,

Ive been to several self-defense classes with my hand gun. The reverse pin number scenario is a good idea.

In Herb’s example above the element of surprise would be with me. I have a quick release holster and it is on my left side. At an ATM, it would be easy to distract a thief. If you have your wallet out drop it. Or, drop your money. Shield your right arm with your money, turn to your left, fire through your clothes.

The classes I’ve taken teach you how to fire in different scenarios. You should avoid at all costs situations that would require you to use your weapon. When the thief has the drop on you, ypu are out of options, kill him.

Dear ::, (or Chas.)

Some one that is using a firearm to rob me is not too smart. Maybe, if I allow him to get away, it will be your wife next time. Maybe he will want more than her money.

Still want me to act like a sheep?

Hank, I dont think you answered my question. And for the forty millionth time, I AM NOT CHAS. IF you must use a name, I am Square Peg.

::,

It appears as if you are simply reduced to framing the scenario in any way that it is absolutely in the favor of the criminal.

Fine. In your very limited and narrowly scoped situation where no matter what happens the theif has the drop on you, then there is no answer for you other than handing over your money and hoping that is all he takes.

WASHINGTON — The FBI has narrowed its focus to “about four” suspects in the 6 1/2-year investigation of the deadly anthrax attacks of 2001, and at least three of those suspects are linked to the Army’s bioweapons research facility at Fort Detrick in Maryland, FOX News has learned.

Among the pool of suspects are three scientists — a former deputy commander, a leading anthrax scientist and a microbiologist — linked to the research facility, known as USAMRIID.

The FBI has collected writing samples from the three scientists in an effort to match them to the writer of anthrax-laced letters that were mailed to two U.S. senators and at least two news outlets in the fall of 2001, a law enforcement source confirmed.

cont’d at:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342852,00.html

Dear square peg,

I have gone to various classes. I have trained on various scenarios. The ATM scenario is easy. The element of surprise is mine. The thief won’t see me reach for my gun, I will not draw my gun, he won’t see my gun.

I’ll fire through my clothes while turning to the left.

Naathan, I did not frame the situation in any way what so ever. That is the way it was presented upthread. Remember? Both you and Hank Price have seemingly danced all around the issue of the armed perpetrator, with gun already drawn, and aimed.

THAT is what I am trying to figure out. Now, if you call that framing, then I am sorry. I am just attempting to deal with the situation as presented. And it was not presented by me, either!

By the way, are you two guys room mates, or relatives?

I sort of like that idea WSClark. :-)

I always attempt to not use free-standing ATM machines after dark. Just thought I would throw that in. And, Hank, my wife always uses ATM at Dillons, or inside of BOA.

But Hank, I would think that the perp would fire at you the second you turned. What is a few bucks, compared to your life?

Thief is likely to shoot you as soon as he gets the money as well.

The Carr brothers made their victims drive to ATMs and showed them no mercy.

Probably the only thing Herb said which was true is that you NEVER go with a criminal anywhere.

If you have no means of defending yourself, then you give them your money and whatever else they want.

When they tell you to go with them, you say no.

It is much better to make a stand where you are than be killed and tortured in some basement where no one will ever find you.

I think I’ve made my point marine-boy………

You are just another fake christian, rightwing gun nut.

I just figure if a perp has a gun pointed at me, and it is ready fire, that he pretty much has the drop on me, unless i have a buddy with me in the bushes hiding or something. Just seems safer to believe that he wants the money, and does not want to kill anybody. Still seems to me if he has a nevous trigger finger, the second I make any move, he shoots!! If all he wants is money, then I am out a few bucks. If not, I am dead either way.

Hey Apophis were you that Middle School Science Teacher that got put on report for staring down 7th and 8th grader girl’s blouses? Lucky the police didn’t get involved.

Just wondering…

Fill us in Steven?

jimmymac posted March 28, 2008 at 6:16 pm

“Police would have shot the thief as well.”

It’s very unlikely a thief with a plastic gun would try to rob an armed Police officer.

Police don’t usually kill by firing a concealed weapon through their uniforms as they turn around.

If Police arrive at a robbery in progress, they usually, from a safe place, order the thief to drop their weapon.

Well, I didnt say I was buying :-)

However, this liberal can well afford filet mignon… :-)

Their garlic salad is to die for. My mom has the recipe but it is never quite like Docs.

I havent been here long enough to remember Doc’s in a house. Bet it was neat then too!

t was! I was a teenager in the early 60s so it was awhile ago. In the room closest to Broadway (I think would have been the living room) there was a table right up against the window overlooking Broadway. It was a busier street back then as there was no 135 yet.

I’ve had that fire extinguisher and fire detectors in my house for 25 years.

Still no fire.

Why do I need those things? Fire will neve happen to me.

KU in about an hour Chas. I hope they win tonight and then two more.

AND THEN GET MASSACRED BY THE BRUINS!

OK Thanks Ben… Bruins would indeed be a challenge!! :-|

KU’s tip off is at 8:40…………………

Ben, Your Bruins need to get through Texas before they can play Kansas and that won’t be easy.

Linda — did you all know the Cochran Family, on Brodway, right next to Doc’s??

Will be kind of boring to watch Kansas and Texas though.

:D

I know exactly where you’re talking about but didn’t know the family. I do know a man who has been there as a funeral director for a lot of years and is one great guy! I grew up in the Bridgeport and then Park City neighborhoods — attended Bridgeport Elementary, Chisholm Trail (through grade 8 as it was a county school then) and Heights — graduated in 1965, the first class to attend all four years. Heights opened with the 61 – 62 year. I was born in 47 maing me barely just barely into a new decade. gramble, gripe, complain

Ummm Linda, would that director’s name be Bob??

OK I dont know John that well… I know Bob… He married Bill Cochran’s one daughter… known them for years!! Of course, Bob is the owner now, with is wife… And I think their son too!! GREAT people!!

Hey I went to Woodland, Marshall, and North too!!

I can get you that recipe if you like linda.

The recipe my mom has is supposedly the same. I THINK the only thing they do different at Doc’s is to drain the water out of the celery and lettuce.

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I would like that, J R. Email it some time, no hurry. Thanks!

I KNOW that American, you idiot!!! I am sitting here watching the friggin GAME!! The Hawks got NO challenge out of Nova!! NONE!! Geez…. You cant even GET a figure of speech, and you attack ME??? BOZO!! And find a new nic while you are at it…. Sock Puppet!! Ooooohhhhh I get so tired of the Forrest Gumps on this friggin Blog!!!

American, it is a possibility that I have been a Jayhawks fan for more years than you have been living!! just a guess there, of course!!

Hey Chas,

Check out this website and let me know what you think:

http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Responses/Abualrub/allahs_identity.htm

Hey Chas,

How long have you been a Rock Chalk Jay Hawker?

OK. One moe opponent before that San Antonio trip! Davidson is no easy match up. They aren’t as deep or experienced as KU, but sure have heart!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Go KU!!

They should let some white boys play on the Kansas basketball team.

How old iz they? They all look 25 or 30 years old.

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Posted March 28, 2008 at 6:49 pm | Permalink
Fill us in Steven?

Sorry, been busy the last few hours. Steven Hatfill had a flat-top hair cut, would everyday run for a while in his shorts and combat boots (regardless of the weather), he would rappel down various tall buildings on campus. He was more of a manly man than Hank or Nathan ever dreamed about. In the 70’s such folk were pretty rare on college campuses. Steven said he was a Ranger, in the Army – I am pretty sure that was dispelled, but he wouldn’t be the first vet to embellish his military record.

He graduated from Southwestern College with honors (he was a smart kid as I recall) and went to medical school in Africa somewhere. I always thought it weird that one would use one’s medical training to develop biological weapons – which is what Hatfill did. Sort of invalidates one’s hippocratic oathe, it would seem to me.

Those are the highlights, square peg…

Linda — Big 12 has some of the best basketball in the Country!! I dont know what the brackets look like… Could KU end up playing TX in the final???

I’m not sure where I got that cool happy face with the shades. Meant to type Big 8. hmmm

Chas,

Did you know that the original KU ended up being K State?

The point of the website is to show the following in simple form:

Allah = One God

Yahweh = One God

Allah’s character and substance is not equal to the character and substance of Yahweh because they are different Gods.

Therefore Allah is not the same God as Yahweh.

Yahweh is the God of the Christians today.

Hah Steven,

I never was a ‘manly man’. I was a submariner! I did make through the Navy’s dive school. It was pretty physical, I had to go less than one pack of Pall Malls a day and limit my Jack Daniels consumption to the weekends to get through.

There was only about a half dozen of us that made it through hung over.

The boy is another matter, he is a lot tougher than he looks. I wouldn’t try to get his money at an ATM if he wasn’t armed!

Wichita State also started life as a Congregational College, called Fairmount College. Then it was turned over to the City of Wichita. Then it was later placed under the supervision of the State Board of Regents, thus Wichita State University. I remember when it was University of Wichita… and the change to Wichita State. I do not remember when it was Fairmount College. I amnot quite that old!! LOL

I wore those sunglasses too. Kept me from bleeding to death through my eyes on Monday morning!

After World War II, we had VE (Victory in Europe) and VJ (Victory in Japan) Days to celebrate the end of the war and victory over the Nazis and Imperial Japan.

On May 1 are we going to have a VI (Victory in Iraq) day to celebrate the fifth anniversary of the end of major combat operations in Iraq?

We can all pull out our “Mission Accomplished” banners and celebrate with sweets and flowers. I am sure that our President and Commander in Chief, the War President Decider, will give a major speech to commemorate the victory.

Has to happen.

Right?

VD Day eh?

(chortles)

jimmymac posted,

“… so I’m whipping out blog mayhem and torture.”

Probably needs a magnifying glass…?

Good night blasphemer, Chas.

May the one true God, Jesus Christ, whom you must have faith in to be saved, bless you.

Nathan–

Is pride a deadly sin or just a venal one?

Ah . . . I remember now.

It’s a mortal sin.

I already said that once Nathan!! But I keep forgetting, you cant think abstractly enough to get it!!

BUT… That is what YOU cenceive God to be, so, Blessings!!

Is there any hypocrisy more appalling than religious hypocrisy, Chas?

“I’m better than you because I believe in Jesus,” has to be the height of prideful self-righteousness.

Pray on the corner, ye Pharisee. You already have your reward, your own appearance of false piety.

Now for something different–

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Siegelman-Release.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

March 29, 2008
Ex – Ala. Governor Comes Home From Prison
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 12:39 a.m. ET

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman returned to his home late Friday, nine months to the day after he was shackled and taken off to federal prison on corruption charges.

Looking thin, pale and tired, the 62-year-old Siegelman met with reporters briefly in a parking lot near his home and gave a short statement. He did not take questions.

”It’s been a long nine months since I was handcuffed and shackled and placed in the back of a Chevy sedan and taken to the federal penitentiary in Atlanta. I lost my freedom, but I never lost my faith,” Siegelman said.

Siegelman was released from a federal prison in Oakdale, La., on an appeal bond at about noon and arrived in Birmingham at about 10 p.m. He was wearing the same tattered shirt he had on when he left the prison in Louisiana.

The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals on Thursday ordered Siegelman released while his conviction is being appealed.

”When I heard the news the 11th Circuit had granted my motion, I thanked God once more,” the former Democratic governor said.

Siegelman was sentenced to more than seven years on his conviction in a corruption case. The order to release him came on the same day the House Judiciary Committee announced plans for Siegelman to testify before Congress in a probe of possible political meddling in federal prosecutions.

Siegelman and former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy were convicted in June 2006. Federal prosecutors accused Siegelman of appointing Scrushy to a hospital regulatory board in exchange for Scrushy arranging $500,000 in contributions to Siegelman’s campaign for a statewide lottery. The defense has argued there was no personal gain or quid-pro-quo in the deal.

In its ruling, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals said the former governor had raised ‘’substantial questions of fact and law” in challenging his conviction.

Siegelman attorney David McDonald said the former governor called him two or three times in the first couple of hours after his release.

”For nine months it has felt like a part of us were in the prison with him,” McDonald said. ”To have him be able to call whenever he wants, we have been like a couple of school girls on the phone.”

The House Judiciary Committee has said it wants Siegelman to testify when it probes claims of selective prosecution by the Justice Department.

Siegelman has maintained that certain Republicans targeted him after he was elected governor in 1998. The House committee has begun reviewing his case as part of a broader investigation into allegations of political influence in the work of U.S. attorneys.

The committee hopes to hear from Siegelman in May. Committee Chairman John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat, believes Siegelman ”would have a lot to add to the committee’s investigation into selective prosecution,” committee spokeswoman Melanie Roussell said.

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Seigleman is a Democratic governor targetted by the KKKarl Rove ratf***ing of the Justice Department. Some of the Justice prosecutors were fired by Rove because they wouldn’t witch-hunt people like Seigleman.

BTW, Seigleman’s prosecution was based on conflicting testimony by a known criminal. The defense was not able to bring up the contradictions in the case because the judge is a Rove wing-nut too.

If these trials took place anywhere but in Alabama, they would be laughed out of court . . .

My Latin is a bit rough at this hour — LOL

LOL — Max, et al, should be happy now that the State says he can own a machine gun!! Anybody know where I can buy a tank?? LOL

What is the point in even calling yourselves Christians if you don’t believe that?

Chas,

You sure didn’t say CapnAmerica was wrong for saying it either.

You are no Christian blasphemer.