Thankfully we’re getting somewhere. Pharmacists will be held accountable for interfering with women’s access to birth control.
WAUSAU, Wis. - A state appeals court upheld sanctions Tuesday against a pharmacist who refused to dispense birth control pills to a woman and wouldn’t transfer her prescription elsewhere.
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The 3rd District Court of Appeals ruled that the punishment the state Pharmacy Examining Board handed down against pharmacist Neil Noesen did not violate his state constitutional rights, specifically his “right of conscience” to religiously oppose birth control.
“Noesen abandoned even the steps necessary to perform in a minimally competent manner under any standard of care,” the three-judge panel said. The decision upheld a ruling by Barron County Circuit Judge James Babler.
Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin praised the ruling as important for women’s access to reproductive health care. Several states have been wrestling with the issue of pharmacists who refuse on religious grounds to dispense birth control or “morning-after” pills.
Noessen’s attorney Paul Linton said that he was disappointed but that no decision had been made on whether to appeal.
The ruling “can curtail the religious rights of pharmacists and perhaps other health care professionals,” Linton said.
According to court records, Noesen was working as a substitute pharmacist at a Menomonie Kmart in 2002 when a University of Wisconsin-Stout student sought to refill her birth control prescription.
Noesen testified he advised the woman of his objection to the use of contraception and refused to fill the prescription or tell her how or where she could get it refilled.
The woman was able to get the prescription filled two days later but missed the first dose of the medication, court records said. She filed a complaint with the state Department of Regulation and Licensing.
Noesen, 34, of St. Paul, Minn., told regulators that he is a devout Roman Catholic and refused to refill the prescription or release it to another pharmacy because he didn’t want to commit a sin by “impairing the fertility of a human being.”
The Pharmacy Examining Board ruled in 2005 that Noesen failed to carry out his professional responsibility to get the woman’s prescription to someone else if he wouldn’t fill it himself.
The board reprimanded Noesen and ordered him to attend ethics classes. He was allowed to keep his license as long as he informs all future employers in writing that he won’t dispense birth control pills and outlines steps he will take to make sure a patient has access to medication.
The board also found Noesen liable for the cost of the proceedings against him — about $20,000 — but the appeals court ordered the board to reconsider that decision.
Larry Dupuis, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin, which like Planned Parenthood participated in the appeal, said the ruling struck the proper balance between patients’ and pharmacists’ rights.
A pharmacy should accommodate its pharmacists’ religious beliefs but it can’t leave “a patient high and dry,” Dupuis said.
Noesen said the discipline “critically devastated” his business as a traveling pharmacist because some pharmacies refused to hire him and he lost his liability insurance, court records said.
There was no telephone listing for Noesen in St. Paul. Linton said he had not talked to Noesen in several months and didn’t know whether he still lived in St. Paul.
As the CF alludes to on an earlier thread, the story of Cindy McCain (and, more importantly, the so-called “shoot from the hip” style of her husband) is quite interesting:
In all fairness. Pharmacist can refuse any and all prescriptions. They dont have too transfer any. The Federal and State Laws require that, “the Doctor rewrites the prescription and the client/patient then finds another pharmacy too get their meds”. Noone can force a Pharmacist too fill anything!! It is their discretion and privleage as a bussiness. Not all Doctors will write all prescriptions either. The client/patient needs to find a Doctor that will and a Pharmacy that will. The Feds and States cannot force a Doctor or Pharacist to write/fill anything. The DEA sets guidelines. The Doctors have discretions and opinions in this as well as Pharmacist. She needs to find another Pharmacy. He has the right to refuse service 24/7/365 within the DEA guidelines. He doesnt have to carry or dispense anything he doesnt want too. Go to McDonalds and file suit because your demand for a Whopper was refused. Shop where you can get what you want. Can he file suit because others shop elsewhere and he feels this lessens his client flow? Yes, if it comes from false claims and slander. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com
Hey,
A comment on the Eagles email service. I registered at the Kansas.com site. With that registration, they send one email news alerts. At the time of registration, ‘I thought just what I need another email source filling up my inbox with junk.’ Well, yesterday, I got notice of the ICT police shutting off two square blocks downtown looking for a shooter who had fired on police.
I was able to avoid that area when going to a restaurant last night. It was: “News that I could use.”
A challenge for traditional newspapers has been: how they can use the internet. Maybe the Eagle has found a way…
“Noesen said the discipline ‘critically devastated’ his business as a traveling pharmacist because some pharmacies refused to hire him and he lost his liability insurance, court records said.”
Business interests are apparently prepared to sacrifice what has been a decades-old icon—the state’s minimum wage law—as a bargaining chip to take the teeth out of a House immigration bill that they fear may get loose in its current form and be adopted by the Senate.
The immigration issue, which has been tense this session as conservative legislators are seeking penalties including loss of licenses and permits to do business in order to drive illegal immigrants out of Kansas, has come down to Thursday’s scheduled House debate on its immigration bill. That bill includes fines and loss of licenses for businesses that hire illegal immigrants.
Giving up Kansas’ minimum wage law—which could be included in a package of amendments to the House immigration bill—may provide lawmakers who are working to de-fang that bill trading fodder to remove some penalty provisions from it. Business interests don’t mind some penalties for accidental hiring of illegal immigrants but don’t want business-closing revocations of applicable state licenses and permits.
Defense of the state’s minimum wage has been a cause celebre among fiscally conservative and pro-business legislators who have for decades maintained that Kansas is an employment-at-will state and nobody has to work for less in wages than they can command in the marketplace.
The state minimum wage at $2.65 an hour applies primarily to small businesses, and most significantly to small food service establishments. An increase to the federal $5.85 an hour minimum wage may affect about 19,000 Kansas workers who are believed to be earning between $2.65 an hour and the federal minimum wage. Practically, though, many businesses pay at least the federal minimum wage just to get employees.
While there’s no affirmative offer to trade the minimum wage for concessions in the immigration bill, business interests are quietly letting it be known that they’re not going to hammer legislators who vote to adopt a popular-to-voters higher minimum wage, probably the federal minimum wage and its annual upward adjustments, as long as that is done by Kansas law, not by just adopting by reference federal minimum wage
Wow, the history channel has a program on right now about the war of 1812. I have to admit I do not know a great deal about that war. But they were just talking about the burning of Washington D.C. It seems that on the second day after the White House, Congress and a few other building were burnt. All seemed lost, President Madison was on the run and the American spirit seemed broken. The flames could be seen from fifty miles away. But suddenly a storm of the Century hit Washington, a hurricane hit with winds over a hundred miles an hour. The rain was putting the fires out and a tornado hit the center of the town. Killing many of the British, one British soldier described how the winds lifted several artillery pieces and threw them asunder.
OK, now you can take it several ways, storms come and go and no man can control them. But for some, that is a sign and it occurred to the British the same thing that one might take from it.
This the great experiment, the endeavors of men and unknown among the history of civilizations. And some may have said it was doomed to fail under the weight and want of mere men. Yet it continued, through more and many hardships then have cause the falls of greater civilization at the pentacle of their success. This new nation stood and stands still, through the wants and way of mere men. Take what you will from that storm, but it timing and temper seem clear. God blessed America….
An interesting piece of history regarding some gun control regs. in America.
Big Tim Sullivan was a notorious Irish gangster whose mob controlled New York City south of 14th Street around the turn of the 20th century. Throwing in his lot with the likes of Monk Eastman, Paul Kelly and Arnold Rothstein, Sullivan became an expert on that dark nexus where organized crime and politics consummate their unholy alliance, and soon became an influential figure in the corrupt Democratic machine there known as Tammany Hall.
The Sullivan Act was passed into law in New York state in 1911 and remains Big Tim’s primary legacy. It effectively banned most people from owning and, especially, carrying handguns. Under the onerous conditions of the corrupted law, a peaceable citizen of sound mind could apply for a pistol permit, but if any of a number of elected or appointed officials objected to its issuance, he or she could be denied the license. The law remains in effect to this day and has been used as the basis for gun laws in many other states and municipalities.
Good morning all
Komrade late getting back with this sorry
Komrade
Posted March 24, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
“Your right komrade maybe i should have phrased it different In the last 40 years can you tell me what the gop stands for that does not include death,hate,or lies”
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Patriotism, Capitalism, Personal responsibility, initiative, integrity, entrepreneurship, social stability….for starters.
One at a time here we go
Patriotism=war in iraq equals death
Capitalism=except the civil war every war america has fought has been about capitalism war equals death zero for two so far
Personal responsibilty=like newt gingrich getting a divorce from his dying wife to marry a aide many years his jr,while leading the charge to impeach clinton for having a affair.
initiative:The only true initiative i have seen from the gop would be thwe missle defense system
but that once again involes death,maybe you would enlighten me here.
integrity:larry craig,david vitter,rush,liddy,bill’O,newt,trent,frist,macaca boy allen do i need to go on,although the dems suck on this one as well,must be honest!!
entrepreneurship:I have found most small business
owners start out dems.and become gop members when they make a buck,you might help me out again if you were refering to so other kind of entrepreneurship.
social stability:like the 68 con.in chi.like kent state,like your boy ronnie sleeping while aids spread across the world,claiming it was gods revenge on the gay man.
That about sums it up, any questions KOMRADE?
i can’t even remember when it was fought.
KSAggie, nobody ever wins in war. Spin it any way you want, the best you come out with is, “I didn’t lose as bad as the other guy”
Pmom - This is the kind of thing that gets me all riled up. NO ABORTIONS! NO ABORTIONS! But when a woman is being responsible using birth control, then a pharmacist thinks he can withhold what is rightfully hers. I mean, can a pharmacist not give patients blood pressure medication, or psychatropic medications because it is against his religion? I seriously doubt it, but somehow, our rights as women can be trampled on because of religion. F— that!!
I wonder why the pharmacist didn’t just hand her back the presciption and tell her to go somewhere else? Why is it his responsibility to transfer it to another pharmacy? As far as the woman, why didn’t she insist on getting it back or calling her doctor right then and telling him to call it in to another place?
Where is the woman’s responsibility for all of this? Unless she learns to take care of herself, my guess is that she’s going to get in trouble anyway. While I don’t agree with the pharmacist in question…I’m getting sick of people trying to force their values down other people’s throats.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
TDT..the answer is simple…don’t go to a pharmacy that won’t dispense birth control. Catholic hospitals won’t perform abortions, either…get over it.
It’s not like there is no access to either one if not everyone chooses to provide it.
Are we going to live in the land of the free or not?
As a former Catholic, I suppose I could be sympathetic to this pharmacist’s plight.
I could be - but I am not.
A whole lot has happened since 1989 when I left the Church. For one thing, the words “Cardinal Law” entered everyone’s lexicon. I guess I’m perplexed: There are only two trangressors who incur excommunication: those directly involved in elective abortions and someone who takes a shot at the Pope.
Someone please help me here: Taking SOME forms of the birth control pill MAY cause the EARLIEST abortions - and this is considered more serious than raping a 10-month-old child (the youngest victim of an errant priest).
I am an ex-Catholic - so I understand its stringency very, very well. And, to be fair - the penalty of excommunication is very rarely applied. My former Church, to its credit, respects the privacy (and primacy) of the confessional. Because abortion has become so common (something which should provide valid, albeit painful, sociological lessons), confessors no longer are required to send their penitents to the Bishop as regards this issue.
If this poor beleagured pharmacist wishes to honor his conscience, perhaps he and/or his Church should buy their own pharmacies, make their policies plain at the outset, and save any wayward women who have the temerity to think they can plan their own pregnancies any further travail.
Jesus - maybe menopause isn’t so bad after all. At least I don’t have to worry about this s–t.
The people who scream when a pharmacist chooses not to dispense birth control pills are the same people who scream when a business owner chooses to allow smoking. Pro-choice my ass.
Mary, did you even read the article. It wasn’t a Catholic pharmacy, he just happened to be Catholic. He didn’t tell his employer that he was unwilling to dispense birth control. She was able to get the prescription filled AT THE SAME PHARMACY, but with a different pharmacist. Also, the PHARMACIST is the PROFESSIONAL here. Do you tell a patient of a doctor that she should have known that she had an aneurism when the doctor told her it was just migraines. Jeez!!
WASHINGTON - Trustees for the government’s two biggest benefit programs warned Tuesday that Social Security and Medicare are facing “enormous challenges” with the threat to Medicare’s solvency far more severe.
The trustees, issuing a once-a-year analysis of the government’s two biggest benefit programs, said the resources in the Social Security trust fund will be depleted by 2041. The reserves in the Medicare trust fund that pays hospital benefits were projected to be wiped out by 2019.
For years, the Social Security program has been taking in more in payroll taxes from existing workers than it needed to fund benefits. The government borrowed that surplus and promised to pay it back with interest by issuing special issue bonds to the program.
But the proceeds from those bonds are finite, which is why the trustees estimate that the trust fund will run dry by 2041. Without that cushion, Social Security would only be able to pay out the money it collects in payroll taxes.
Demographics are a major reason for the funding shortfall. The number of workers, compared to retirees, has begun to shrink. That means the system will produce a smaller surplus, then none at all, and eventually it won’t be able to pay out all benefits promised to future retirees.
Last year, the trustees also estimated that the government would need to start paying back the program in 2017, and that the Social Security trust fund would be exhausted by 2041.
Currently, the first $102,000 of wages are subject to the 12.4% payroll tax that funds Social Security. Typically, half the tax is paid by workers, and the other half is paid by employers.
To keep the system solvent over the next 75 years, the trustees estimated that the Social Security payroll tax rate would need to increase to 14.1%, up from the current 12.4%. Or lawmakers could bring it into balance by cutting benefits by 12%.
Neither is a popular political solution. Lawmakers and presidential candidates from both parties acknowledge that a bipartisan solution is required. But no one’s expecting one this year, with a lame-duck president in the White House and lawmakers focused on elections, to say nothing of an economic downturn.
Nonpartisan experts say the pain of fixing Social Security can be lessened in two ways: Make changes soon so that they affect more people but in a less dramatic manner, and implement a combination of tax increases and benefit reductions so that neither is particularly steep.
Medicare, which was also addressed in Tuesday’s report, has an even larger and more immediate funding deficit to address.
The Medicare program is already taking in less than it has committed to pay out, and the trustees forecast that the Medicare trust fund will be depleted by 2019, at which point Medicare would only be able to pay out 78% of costs.
Medicare was designed to be funded by three sources: payroll taxes; Medicare premiums paid by beneficiaries; and general revenue or money from income taxes.
The payroll tax portion of that funding comes from a 2.9% tax on all wages - half of which is paid by workers and half by their employers. To make Medicare solvent over the next 75 years, the trustees estimate that 6.44% of wages would need to be taxed.
As they did last year, the trustees issued a funding warning in their 2008 report, which they’re required to issue when they anticipate that general revenues will have to fund more than 45% of Medicare’s total expenditures within the next six years.
Lawmakers won’t be able to solve the long-term shortfalls in Medicare until they find a way to reform health care, said Paul Van De Water, senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
“Medicare’s long-term financing problems are due to the sharp rise in health care costs, not to structural problems particular to Medicare.”
Stevie Miller of Sunflower Electric and “boycott Lawrence” fame says the fraction of power to be kept in Kansas from the Holcomb plant is needed for the ETHANOL plants being developed in the desert formerly known as southwest Kansas.
Hehehehhehe.
Wanna see the future for ethanol? (Pssst. It aint pretty)
Check this collection of posts from the GRAIN industry.
Looks like sunflower, governor leadership, her boy mark, and joe harkins all bet on the wrong horse with their love affair with ethanol, irrigation, corn and water wasting.
Ok, before everyone gets busy with their daily rants and back-biting, I’d like to interject an uplifting bit I got from todays WichiTalk/trashtalk section:
“Oprah hits 246 pounds!” (Nat’l Enquirer)
Ok, now we know the London rate, what’s she worth in America?
Fleettwood Mac: If an abortionist - any abortionist - were to break into your home and force an abortion on a family member, I cannot think of pro-choice person who would say, “It was that doctor’s choice; it wuz cool what he/she did.”
Pro choice doesn’t mean anarchy. It doesn’t mean an ethical free-for-all. For some of us, it’s a painful, uneasy alliance. But please - don’t put wurds in our mouths….it doesn’t become you.
Oh, and by the way - I just loved “Hypnotized” from the “Mystery To Me” album.
Mary: I have a rather provocative proposition: What about the man’s responsibility for fertility planning? Believe it or not (hang onto yer hats, all you folk who equate us with unbridled hedonists)…..
As a younger woman, I was very, very drawn to natural family planning. It was non-chemical; it was (purportedly) accurate; it did not require hormones or devices shoved into very sensitive bodily areas; and (this is the biggest one) - it required the dedication and sacrifice of BOTH partners. Had I ever been engaged, I would have enrolled in NFP classes immediately.
Tragically, however, there are two drawbacks to its usage for EVERYONE: 1) It frequently requires ridiculously long periods of abstention, especially if one MUST avoid pregnancy; and 2) the purported success rates are not accurate. They are accurate for some; they are not indicative of the lived experiences of the faithful.
Add to the fact that I am long past believing something just because the Pope says I must. Certainly, the current and past pontiffs have spoken words of enduring eloquence and wisdom; equally, they have been fallible.
When it comes to disciplining errant priests, they have been monstrous.
Pro-choice individuals are not carbon copies of one another. I don’t demand that others believe the way I do; or “feel” the exact way I do; if I did, I’d have a perpetual scowl on my face. And I sure don’t want that; even at my age, a girl just needs to feel pretty.
The Democrat solution is obvious Sol, just raise taxes.
They will have to raise the taxes by DOUBLE the amounts shown above though, because they will increase taxes on the rich - you know, those who earn more then $30,000/year.
Now it gets a little more complicated when you had in the cost of National Healthcare. Again, the same approach will be to raise the taxes on those earning more then $30,000/year.
So for those earning above $30,000/year:
Social Security Taxes go up from 12.4% (+ 1.7% x 2) to 15.8%.
—That’s a 28% Tax Increase.
Medicare Taxes go up from 2.9% (+ 3.54% x 2) to 9.98%.
—That’s a 244% Tax Increase.
National Health Care Tax will be how much ON TOP OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY/MEDICARE TAX INCREASE?
So if it were a jehovah witness pharmacy, and the pharmacist would not dispense out things like Plavix, Aspirin, anything that could mess with the blood, do you think we’d hear this sort of outcry? Oh yeah.
If you cannot perform your job because of religion, then don’t go into that field.
It is not the pharmacist’s job to put his 2 cents in, it’s his job to provide the drug prescribed.
I’m glad to see he’s having trouble finding a job after he tells them he won’t dispense medications.
And it isn’t always so easy to go out of town to another pharmacist and get another script. Who wants to pay for that?
Why don’t we trim government spending by ending the Iraq war, eliminating un needed departments (Homeland Security, DOE, etc) and fund what we already owe. Allow those that want to to cash out now – give them back their money. Allow those joining the workforce to be grandfathered in for say, 5 years. These new entrants would have the option of paying into SS or not. After 5 years, no new entries into SS.
Sounds simple, easy, and first respects each individual’s liberty.
On the Medicare and SS issue, it seems there will have to be a multilayer solution. Maybe raise the cap for taking out the taxes to say 5%, to about $107,000, raise the percentage they take out by 1%, and reduce benefits by 5%. I really hate the thought of reduced benefits, but some is better than nothing, right?
I like your idea too Sol. In fact, if they would pay back what I have paid in, I could invest it myself, and I bet I would have a really good retirement by the time I’m 65.
In fact, if they would pay back what I have paid in
That would be fine if you were the only one to do that. But SS being a pyramid scam after the 1st 20k people or so did that what would the remaining 280 million people that paid in do?
The pharmacy issue becomes important in small towns where he effectively has a monopoly. And, since the State will not allow over-the-counter purchase the State is effectively protecting that monopoly. That is why the State has an interest.
Many Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama supporters are ready to spurn the Democratic party and vote for John McCain in November if their candidate doesn’t win the presidential nomination, according to a new poll out Wednesday.
And a second poll out Wednesday shows most voters — including 85 percent of Democrats — believe there’s a chance that the battle between Clinton and Obama will not be resolved before the August convention.
Among people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters, 28 percent said they would vote for McCain if Obama is his opponent, the March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking survey found.
The same poll found that 19 percent of Obama supporters would switch sides and cast ballots for McCain if Clinton is the Democratic candidate.
The survey interviewed 6,657 Democratic voters nationwide and had a margin of error of 2 percent.
It is a system in which the people working now (vast majority) pay for the people who aren’t working (minority).
A full third of SS pay-outs go to disabled people under retirement age (like Regular) and orphans under 18.
The number of workers to non-workers is about 3 to 1. Given that a typical income from SS might be about 18,000 a year, you’d only need 3 people (and their employers) paying in 6,000 a year to meet that expense.
You remember the old adage about no question being dumb? I’m probably about to prove that one wrong. I have a question I don’t even know enough to ask, can’t find the words (due again to that total lack of knowledge) so someone might need to be a mind reader if I’m to find an answer.
There is a state fund that is divvied up to school districts that put up their own money for “certain” expenditures. It’s not a trivial amount! I think Wichita USD 259 got some of this money for the projects funded by the 2000 school bond issue and are hoping to get more of it if they pass another bond issue on May 6th. Ok, my questions:
1. In 2000 we were told the school bond issue would pay for (fill in the blank) and the cost of that would be $284.5 million. There was an oversight committee appointed to make sure our money was spent as promised, etc.
IF the costs were what we approved in bond monies what happened to the amounts the state kicked in??
2. On May 6th we will vote on a $350 million bond issue that is supposed to be the costs of doing (fill in the blanks).
Why is the costs of doing these projects not reduced by the amount the state kicks in??
Linda, as to your questions in general (I know I don’t know all needed to fully answer):
There were additional state funds received (as well as some FEMA funds for the “safe rooms”) in the first bond issue. IIRC, most of those funds were used to buy new desks, lab equipment, etc., to outfit the newly created and remodeled spaces resulting from the bond issue. These funds were in addition to the funds received from the bond issue.
As to your second question, the state funding is 25% of the total bond issue, and is to go for principal and interest, as I understand it. Thus, in a sense, the bond issue is approved for the gross amount; the state picks up 25%, with the local taxpayers (should the bond issue pass) paying the other 75% plus the interest on the same. The district sells the bonds to get the full amount authorized; then, as to repayment, the state funding is used, as I said, for 25%, and the local property tax levies pay the other 75%.
The difference in how this is done between the first and second bond issues is due, again IIRC, to the change in the school finance law after Montoy.
I’m sure there are those more knowledgeable than I that can better explain this.
Time to Listen to Ron Paul? By Elizabeth MacDonald
“Congressman Paul rightfully warns us when he says the US government has “systematically undermined” the US dollar by expanding “the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress–while benefiting the special interests that influence government.”
It’s not just the US gunning the mints. Goldman Sachs figures that three-fifths of the world’s broad money supply growth came from emerging economies over the past year or so. Three-fifths. That’s gigantic.”
“Empires fail because they run out of money, or more accurately, run out of the ability to spend or inflate,” Congressman Paul warns. “We need to control spending, immediately, before it is too late.”
Here is something from the district web site that attempts to explain the state funding being used to pay 25% of the total bond issue amount (together with interest); the brief explanation is about half-way down the page.
Gravel, a former Democratic senator from Alaska, said in an e-mail that the Democratic Party “no longer represents my vision for our great country.”
“It is a party that continues to sustain war, the military-industrial complex and imperialism _ all of which I find anathema to my views,” he said in the e-mail in which he also asked supporters for campaign donations.
Seems to some extent it is smoke and mirrors. When they pass a bond issue they get the costs covered and then get a bunch of money from the state they don’t have to be as accountable for spending.
Oklahoma House Rep. Sally Kern made an Easter Sunday appearance on KFOR-TV’s “Flash Point” to face off with an openly gay pastor, elaborating on her recent leaked speech and defending her views.
A spirited theological and political debate ensued between Rep. Kern, host Kevin Ogle, panelists Burns Hargis and Mike Turpen, and Dr. Scott Jones of Oklahoma City’s Cathedral of Hope.
“I was speaking to a group of Republicans; grassroots Republicans,” Kern explained of the original speech, which gained worldwide attention after posted on the Internet by the Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund, “and I was talking about the homosexual agenda, and how they are out there putting forth–funding very heavily–homosexual and pro-homosexual candidates to run against, and defeat, conservatives across the nation.
“I did talk about what I believe…scientific evidence, health evidence…proves that the homosexual lifestyle is a dangerous lifestyle. And, yes, I did compare it to being more dangerous than terrorism. And my point in doing that, gentlemen, was this: Everybody knows terrorism destroys and tears down, and that was the only analogy I was making is that the homosexual agenda, this lifestyle which is so destructive to individuals, is at the heart trying to tear down what is the bedrock foundation of our society, which is the family and traditional marriage.”
“You don’t really believe that Scott,” asks panelist Michael Turpen of Pastor Jones, “is more dangerous than Osama bin Laden, do you?”
“I believe that the…homosexual agenda, and the lifestyle that it involves, is deadly to this nation. Now, I was not saying that Scott here is personally as dangerous as Osama bin Laden, but I was just making a comparison to prove my point.”
“Well, I would denounce hate speech of any kind,” rebuts Jones, “and have in my public remarks in response to yours. And you have to understand that when you say that gay people are like cancer…and cancer is something that we eradicate; that we kill; or that we are worse than terrorists, and terrorists are people that we go after to annihilate, to kill, you have to understand why those words would outrage people, because what are you saying? That we should go after gay people and eradicate them or annihilate them?”……..
To continue reading and to watch the video of the debate go to:
It would seem they didn’t see fit to do routine maintenance with extra monies.
Another question.
Is there property insurance on our schools that is something like our home owner’s policies that pay for nature’s damages? Not talking about the wear and tear we must keep up with or become overwhelmed by.
Which brings up yet another question.
Why did Martin Libhart, Chief Operations Officer, allow our schools maintenance to become overwhelming vs. something kept up with? And I’m not buying that excuse about the few short years they gave that responsibility to another company. Dodge Elementary didn’t get into a dilapidated shape in a short period of time.
Speaking of Dodge Elementary. How can a school be riddled with mold AND not be a danger to any students?
Again, Linda, as to the current situation; the money received from the state goes to, and cannot be used for any other purpose than, repayment of bond principal and interest. This results, then, in the local taxpayers (yes, property tax payers, together with renters whose rents go up a bit to help the landlord to pay increased taxes) in repaying $262.5 million (plus interest) rather than $350 million (plus interest), the state paying the other $87.5 million (plus interest).
On the facility upgrade money (that’s what I recall it was called) that was received from the state after the first bond issue, it, too, had to be used for certain, limited specific purposes, and accounted for to the state. I recall several discussions in Site Council meetings back then as to what these funds could and could not be used for, and it was remarkable to me what was considered facility upgrade and what was not. I understood that new lab equipment, new desks, etc., were proper subjects for use of such funding, while the wiring for a building wide computer network (to use one example) was not. The general idea, IIRC, was to provide some funding for the furnishing of the extra spaces created with basic needed improvements.
My recollection on the 2000 bond issue and the state funds received as a part thereof is a bit clouded due to the passage of time.
Sorry to disagree with ya, Cap’n. Ya should know by now I’m a very simple person. If the peak of those drawing out is being supported by the much higher number paying in, it looks like a pyramid scheme to me. No different than AmWay and chain letters.
MIAMI (Reuters) - Miami police could soon be the first in the United States to use cutting-edge, spy-in-the-sky technology to beef up their fight against crime.
A small pilotless drone manufactured by Honeywell International, capable of hovering and “staring” using electro-optic or infrared sensors, is expected to make its debut soon in the skies over the Florida Everglades.
If use of the drone wins Federal Aviation Administration approval after tests, the Miami-Dade Police Department will start flying the 14-pound (6.3 kg) drone over urban areas with an eye toward full-fledged employment in crime fighting.
This results, then, in the local taxpayers (yes, property tax payers, together with renters whose rents go up a bit to help the landlord to pay increased taxes) in repaying $262.5 million (plus interest) rather than $350 million (plus interest), the state paying the other $87.5 million (plus interest).
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Then we should be voting on a $262.5 million bond issue?
But if they can a $350 million bond issue passed they can use the extra $87.5 million in “other” ways?
IIRC, the district is a self-insurer, and has reinsurance to cover major damage.
Deferred maintenance on buildings and facilities is a product of several things, one of which is the needs outstrip the funds raised from that part of the mill levy which is dedicated to that purpose. It seems to me that there is some practical or legal impediment to raising this levy but I don’t recall what it is.
The “extra monies” (whether from the bond issue in 2000, the facilities upgrade funding, or the recent increase in per student allocation) were not lawfully allowed to be used for routine maintenance. Again, it is my understanding that there is a certain mill levy (4 mills?) of the general school mill levy which is dedicated for this purpose.
Dodge Elementary is in terrible condition. It didn’t happen overnight. However, it also didn’t receive any funds from the last bond issue (due to the Edison contract); prior to the bond issue work, there were many buildings in deplorable condition, resulting from deferred maintenance, many of these benefited from the bond issue and these problems were taken care of. Absent the 2000 bond issue, there would be many more buildings in the district in the same general condition as Dodge Elementary finds itself now.
No, we should be voting on a $350 million bond issue. Remember the state “pays” 25% of the total amount of the bond issue, thus, if 259 was voting on a $262.5 million bond issue, the state would pay $65.625 million principal (together with interest).
And, again, the 25% to be “paid by the state” doesn’t result in an additional (in this case) $87.5 million to the district; the district receives $350 million, it is the source of funds for the repayment of this (together with interest) that is divided up: 25% from “state funding”; 75% from the local taxpayers.
Of course, Linda and my discussion here is academic only, given the uncertain (well, I don’t think it is all that uncertain) fate of the bond issue, the election for which is May 6.
Vaughn, Linda, I may be really short sighted, and I’m out of district, but it seems that many of the ‘maintenance’ shortfalls in 259 began about the time they had the drastic decrease in custodial workforce in 259. Either of you would remember it better than I–was it 02,03, or 04? Wasn’t it something like 1/3 or more of custodians were laid off?
Yep, fish, that’s also a part of the story. This had to do with the state per pupil funding actually decreasing in nominal dollars, which resulted in cuts to various parts of the local general budget for schools (259 and elsewhere) resulting therefrom. Generally, custodians were cut only after other areas were, but before teachers.
However, the shortfall in maintenance has been an ongoing issue for the 17 years I’ve been involved with the district as a parent and on Site Councils, etc. It is my impression that the mill levy dedicated to maintenance, etc., should be doubled, at least, to raise the needed funding. I’m not sure, but it is my recollection that to do this, there would need to be some kind of election involved.
I just figured this way: You don’t have the hands to paint the board, it rots; you don’t have the hand to replace the board, the wall stud rots; no hand to replace the studs, the wall falls down.
“Generally, custodians were cut only after other areas were, but before teachers.”
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This would be a perfect time for some true journalist to look into how many teachers (qualified to teach, paid as teachers) don’t have a thing to do with teaching. No classroom responsibilities, no students to teach…
Understand, Fish; but the problems were there long before there were cuts to the custodial personnel. It was more of a “don’t have the money to buy the nails, boards, paint” to take care of all needs, so the resources available were devoted to emergencies, and the routine was deferred yet another year (or two or…..).
May I ask about the policies on this Blog (again)? Are other post-ers allowed to hi-jack our monikers? Last night some erudite gent named Chas. asked me if I were a card-carrying member of NARAL. Elsewhere, I’ve seen “Chas.” exuded more liberal-mindedness. Then, another dude scoffed at the idea of forgiveness.
You know, I still haven’t recovered from being in the presence of someone sinless. A bona-fide, stainless-steel, usullied, untainted demi-god! Wow!
As K. Cobain once said, I have a hard time carryin’ on knowin’ there’s saints like that in my atmosphere…..
not bombs or guns, I assure you. Rather not say, but we occasionally run these parts in small orders, but the last time we had this large of a run was about 3 months before initial ’surge’.
This would be a perfect time for some true journalist to look into how many teachers (qualified to teach, paid as teachers) don’t have a thing to do with teaching. No classroom responsibilities, no students to teach…
I know a few of those! And others who sit on the phone all day in prayer meetings while the para does all the teaching.
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Understand, Fish; but the problems were there long before there were cuts to the custodial personnel…
There sure is a more efficient and cost effective way to finance these BOE project as opposed to the “Every 5 Year Catastrophic” approach we seem to be currently confronted with. I realize the BOE budget is not awash with $ to necessarily do this, but I can’t think there isn’t more effective middle ground to strive for. (I’m definitely not knowlegible about this subject)
By “NCLB” requirements, I am, of course, referring to that part of the law regarding professional development programs for teaching staff. While there are options available to meet this, as I understand it, the least costly (short run) is to use existing staff who are teachers (usually those with much experience) to “teach” other teachers. Then, there are the assessment coordinators, data evaluators, etc., that seem to be in every school, and many of them are qualified teachers. I don’t know the full scope and reach of all the NCLB requirements for these things, but it seems there is some extra overhead resulting from the darned thing that is being addressed by using “teachers”.
Of course, looking at the Heights High School bond request, I wonder how many other teachers that could be used there, with 16 teachers in the building on carts, without a room. The student population at Heights is increasing, and to have a smaller student:teacher ratio, more teachers are needed, but if there’s no room…
gster, they make it difficult for anyone to know more than they would like us to “know.” There is some smoke and mirrors. Lots of money involved. I think that extends to our B.O.E. — the part about not knowing that is. Of course this is just my own very cynical opinion. And, I’ve already proved how little I know.
gster, it seems to me (and I’m not all that knowledgeable, either) that given the capital investment the district has in its various buildings, etc., and as costs continue to increase, there needs to be a hard look taken at the mill levy for this type of expenditure. Again, to raise it might take an election, or it might take legislative action, or both, but geez, it would seem that being able to do routine maintenance in a timely fashion would really be better than bond issues every so often.
Many hours are spent accumulating data. Is that data used?
So, Heights is crowded. Maybe we shouldn’t be wanting all those students Circle wants. Could it be they want the tax base and then will attempt to figure out what to do with the students? Are there some high schools below capacity?
gster, no, there won’t be, at least in the short run. The reasons for this are manifold, one being the option that students who are currently subject to forced busing have to continue attending their current school (which requires busing of these students to continue), another being the option and priority of such students for magnet admissions (which may require busing). Even if there is, the money will be “saved” in the transportation budget, which, again, may only be used for transportation, and not for general fund items. In other words, saving $100 thousand in the transportation budget doesn’t mean there is now an additional $100 thousand available for other purposes; it just means that there’s $100 thousand less spent on transportation (much of which comes from state funding, BTW).
Door King has the super solution for the Social Security crisis; the payments would be made into home equity accounts. You can’t touch them till you’re 70. If you get disabled, gvmt. makes the payments but keeps the principle. Hosana. Problem solved; wealth, employment and a safety net for all.
I would like this journalist who really wants to dig into this subject and get out some facts to also get a list of each school’s enrollment and capacity. Let’s look at this over crowding situation.
And why is it we can’t share some resources? You know like the big stadiums that seat many spectators.
Linda, the current controversy over the Circle students, if I may use that term, was not a fight chosen by 259 as such. The original driving force behind it was Bel Aire, IIRC, who wanted, for future development sake, to have the students there attend school in one district, rather than being split. 259 (foolishly, IMHO), agreed to take the matter on.
Off the top of my head, West High is under capacity; I believe South is, too. To get students to these places from the Heights attendance area would, forgetting about any boundary redrawing, result IMHO in additional money being spent on busing them. Yes, they (being in High School) might drive themselves, which brings other considerations into play, such as larger parking lots, more traffic congestion, etc.
Linda, sharing stadiums, gyms, pools, would be something that should really be thought about by 259. It would, IMHO, be more economical in the long run than building practice gyms, new gyms, etc., at several sites.
Vaughn, USD259 utilization is at about 88% of capacity. The highschools are at about 98% capacity, but the utilization for middle schools is under 70%.
Fish, I can’t remember the exact name of the acronym, but it’s a national abortion rights league.
Gster, The only portion of busing that will change is the integrated part, however that’s a small portion of the busing. Most bussing occurs because of attendance at a school of their choice (magnet etc).
Me neither Gster, I mistakenly thought that all busing was for integration. However, a school-bus-driving friend of mine informed me that was not the case.
“The pastor of a Kansas church whose father is a judge is charged in Missouri with forging a woman’s name to a check for $100,000.
“Randy Baldridge of Carl Junction, Mo., was due in Newton County court for arraignment Wednesday on a felony forgery charge.
“He’s accused of forging Joplin resident Nancy Sarduk’s name without her permission and trying to use the check to secure an investment note from AG Financial Solutions of Springfield.
“A probable-cause affidavit says Baldridge also put Sarduk’s name, address and Social Security number on the investment application form.
“The 53-year-old is pastor of the Sixth Street Baptist Church in Galena and the son of semiretired Jasper County Circuit Judge George Baldridge.”
Oh well, the Baptists have been soaking the flock all along.
“These questions have not and will not go away. At its very best, Iraq, it is now more than apparent, is a decades-long, bankrupting, utopian liberal attempt to build a democratic culture where no such culture has ever existed; and at worst, it is a corrupting, demoralizing cancer on America’s reputation and power in the world. At home, the long term fiscal situation is at a crisis-level, with Republicans adding $32 trillion to future unfunded liabilities by the federal government in seven years, and with a commitment not to raise any more revenue for the indefinite future. Neither Obama nor Clinton has any plan to tackle this debt or to restrain entitlement spending in any serious way. Millions of private individuals have taken out idiotic mortgage loans on houses they cannot afford and should never have been reckless enough to buy. The dollar is headed into the toilet as much of the US economy is leveraged on the bona fides of a still-authoritarian regime that is currently brutally suppressing human rights in Tibet and across its territory.
For all his quirks, and for all his unseemly past associations, Ron Paul had some serious view about the gravity of the situation and a philosophy that was once called conservative and is now smeared as nuts. History will be far kinder to him that today’s chattering classes.”
“The researchers said the fossil found last year at Atapuerca in northern Spain, along with stone tools and animal bones, is up to 1.3 million years old. That would be 500,000 years older than remains from a 1997 find that prompted the naming of a new species: Homo antecessor, or Pioneer Man, possibly a common ancestor to Neanderthals and modern humans.”
Shedding a bit more light on the “busing” issue, if I may. There are, as has been pointed out above, more components to the busing in Wichita than just for deseg purposes. There is busing to and from magnet schools (if the student lives more than 2.5 miles from the site); there is busing for special ed purposes; and there is busing for deseg. There is also busing to alleviate hazardous conditions for certain buildings/sites where the student lives closer than 2.5 miles, but due to major thoroughfares, etc., the crossing of which presents a hazard to students, buses may be provided.
What should be remembered is that the great majority of the money for transportation comes from “state funding”, to a separate fund, to be used for this purpose and this purpose alone. I believe that Special Ed transportation comes from Special Ed funding, but I’m not 100% sure of that. Anyway, any money saved by busing changes will not result in more money in the general fund for school operations, rather there will be a lesser amount received from the “state funding for transportation”.
MKay, thank you for the link, It seemed to me that the high schools, as a group, were fairly close to full utilization. This, of course, is an “average”, and while Heights may be >100% of population, this could be balanced by West, e.g., being at 90%.
‘Sunflower Power President’s “No Fuel Bias” Questionable in Kansas’ http://www.desmogblog.com/sunflower-power-presidents-no-fuel-bias-q uestionable-in-kansas
“Watkin’s “no fuel bias” is a little hard to believe when the same Earl Watkins Jr. sits on the Board of Directors of the Western Fuels Association, a cooperative business that supplies 17 million tons of coal to electric generating plants across the United States.
Its even harder to swallow Watkin’s spin with release of a new report by financial research firm Innovest Strategic Value Advisors, finding that natural gas generation might actually be more cost-effective given impending federal greenhouse gas regulations. “
ksagnostic:The Brits think of the war of 1812 as a European war against Napoelon, North America was a side issue for them. Madison felt that the Royal Navy’s interdict on cross Atlantic trade and taking of Royal Navy deserters serving on American ships was an infringemnt of freedom of the seas, declared war and invaded British North America. We think it was an attempt to implement the manifest destiny thing, and he figured the Brits were too busy to do muuch about it. US troops were told that all they would have to do is show the Stars and Stripes and the locals would flock to be free from cruel British domination. Anyway, attempts to invade were repulsed in Quebec, the St.Lawerence River area ,Niagara Falls and from Detroit by the local militia and Indians along with some Brit troops. Then we campaigned in Michigan and Ohio, and were thrown out. There were skirmishes won by both sides and in the end British North Americans occupied parts of northern Michigan which were returned as part of the Peace Treaty. So if you ask us about the war of 1812, we’d say the American attempt to take British North America failed, hence the purpose of the declaration of war was twarted. Many States refused to supply soldiers especially in New England who wanted nothing to do with “Mr. Madison’s War” and some States had rules about their militia being invloved other than the protection of the US so refused to invade while some left to plant and then harvest the crops. (Another inaccuracy is the “taking” of Quebec by the British arising from a military expedition.) For what its’ worth, there was no place called Canada in 1812-14 so I don’t know who or what was invaded technically….and I don’t think anybody actually wins a war in a strategic sense.
Two interesting headlines I read on thinkprogress.org that made me go hummmmmmm.
Fox’s Chris Wallace Takes Fox And Friends ‘To Task’ For ‘Two Hours Of Obama Bashing’ 3/21
Then today I read:
“Wallace backs down on Fox and Friends disagreement”
………………..Wallace revealed that a Fox News executive sent him an e-mail after his Fox and Friends appearance to say, “isn’t this the kind of thing we should be talking about off camera, not on camera?”
“Fox’s Chris Wallace Takes Fox And Friends ‘To Task’ For ‘Two Hours Of Obama Bashing’ 3/21″
And today’s —
“Wallace backs down on Fox and Friends disagreement”
“…Wallace revealed that a Fox News executive sent him an e-mail after his Fox and Friends appearance to say, ‘isn’t this the kind of thing we should be talking about off camera, not on camera?’”
These kinds of memos from Fox Noise Channel executives are manifold and well-documented.
For anyone — even those who worship at the altar of Faux News — to think it is anything other than a right wing propaganda machine defies evidence, logic, and rational thought.
I’d tell the joke here, but I know y’all think I’m a rude, crude guttersnipe (ok, I admit, I am!), and while it isn’t really ‘blue’ it is somewhat risque, and being about the pastor himself, I’m afraid Nate and some of the ‘others’ would take umbrage to me posting something about a preacher. I’d hate to come up with a different nick–I’ve used this since ‘92 in IRC.
yessir, but I don’t dig graves anymore. I hate the disinternment when the caskets disintergrate (yeah, I’ve done that at one time in my life–I hated picking up the arm and cramming it back into the coffin)
We cannot allow any pharmacists to be forced into filling or referring prescriptions for the morning-after abortifacient Plan B. In some cases, the contraceptive overdose causes a living fertilized human embryo to die. Coercing these prescriptions could be used as leverage to coerce RU-486 abortion drug prescriptions, or participation in various actions necessary for abortions.
We will not tolerate any forced participation in abortions or chemical abortions. We will respect and preserve the right of conscience.
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The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality says in a letter to notorious abortionist quack Alberto Hodari that his Womancare abortion mill in Lathrop Village, MI must retrain employees on proper disposal of medical records, medical waste, and dead babies, all found previously dumped by the abortion mill in a garbage bin.
No fines or prosecutions for the flagrant violations of state law or hazards to public health, safety, and confidentiality, of course, since the perpetrator is an abortionist quack.
Meanwhile, the vigilant pro-life activist who documented the illegal dumping of aborted babies and private patient medical records at abortion mills has been billed $1,100 by the Department of Environmental Quality for the removal of evidence from her property – evidence that she found and presented to DEQ, work which the DEQ should have been doing to protect the public, except for their laziness, negligence, and wearing blinders around abortion mills.
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Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman signed into law bill LB606 to ban taxpayer funding of human cloning for useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research.
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The Idaho House approved 55-11 legislation making it a crime to threaten or harass a pregnant woman as a means to coerce her into committing an abortion, charging a felony crime if violence is inflicted on the mother. However, the bill’s protection for vulnerable mothers has been watered down to define coercion as including only assault and battery, and not threats of eviction, abandonment, reputation loss, job loss, scholarship loss, college career loss, sports career loss, marriage loss, boyfriend loss, friendship loss, or family relationship loss.
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The Lawrence Journal-World’s publication of the AP article citing the increases in premature births and the associated medical problems is fraudulent, in that it leaves out any discussion of abortion as the well-known major risk factor in causing premature births and the associated health risks in infants, as proven in studies over the last two decades or more.
The black race suffers a premature birth rate 3 times higher, because the abortion rate of black babies is 3 times or more higher.
Planned Parenthood’s racist abortionist quacks continue to target the black race for population reduction, visiting these other appalling health statistics on the tiny, defenseless victims in later births for years to come.
See news page http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/mar/26/study_shows_risks_preemies_face/
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A 16-year-old girl of Seligman, MO tried to hide her pregnancy, and hid her newborn girl in a plastic bag in a closet Monday. Investigators say it all started in Bentonville, AR when a doctor who was treating a teen for a miscarriage saw signs that a child was born alive. He called local investigators in Barry County who found the doctor was right but they didn’t find the baby alive. The baby girl was breathing when born, but not when police discovered the tiny body.
There was not a dry eye at the crime scene.
“A 16-year-old girl of Seligman, MO tried to hide her pregnancy, and hid her newborn girl in a plastic bag in a closet Monday.”
Nice Try Fake Butter — This girl miscarried… That has no connection to abortion!! NOBODY would buy that… From your report of this incident, the girl KILLED her new born baby, that actually wasnt mis-carried…. but born alive… She finished it off!! THAT is murder… not abortion… she should be tried for some degree of murder!!
“General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!’” -Ronald Reagan
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Thankfully we’re getting somewhere. Pharmacists will be held accountable for interfering with women’s access to birth control.
WAUSAU, Wis. - A state appeals court upheld sanctions Tuesday against a pharmacist who refused to dispense birth control pills to a woman and wouldn’t transfer her prescription elsewhere.
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The 3rd District Court of Appeals ruled that the punishment the state Pharmacy Examining Board handed down against pharmacist Neil Noesen did not violate his state constitutional rights, specifically his “right of conscience” to religiously oppose birth control.
“Noesen abandoned even the steps necessary to perform in a minimally competent manner under any standard of care,” the three-judge panel said. The decision upheld a ruling by Barron County Circuit Judge James Babler.
Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin praised the ruling as important for women’s access to reproductive health care. Several states have been wrestling with the issue of pharmacists who refuse on religious grounds to dispense birth control or “morning-after” pills.
Noessen’s attorney Paul Linton said that he was disappointed but that no decision had been made on whether to appeal.
The ruling “can curtail the religious rights of pharmacists and perhaps other health care professionals,” Linton said.
According to court records, Noesen was working as a substitute pharmacist at a Menomonie Kmart in 2002 when a University of Wisconsin-Stout student sought to refill her birth control prescription.
Noesen testified he advised the woman of his objection to the use of contraception and refused to fill the prescription or tell her how or where she could get it refilled.
The woman was able to get the prescription filled two days later but missed the first dose of the medication, court records said. She filed a complaint with the state Department of Regulation and Licensing.
Noesen, 34, of St. Paul, Minn., told regulators that he is a devout Roman Catholic and refused to refill the prescription or release it to another pharmacy because he didn’t want to commit a sin by “impairing the fertility of a human being.”
The Pharmacy Examining Board ruled in 2005 that Noesen failed to carry out his professional responsibility to get the woman’s prescription to someone else if he wouldn’t fill it himself.
The board reprimanded Noesen and ordered him to attend ethics classes. He was allowed to keep his license as long as he informs all future employers in writing that he won’t dispense birth control pills and outlines steps he will take to make sure a patient has access to medication.
The board also found Noesen liable for the cost of the proceedings against him — about $20,000 — but the appeals court ordered the board to reconsider that decision.
Larry Dupuis, legal director for the American Civil Liberties Union of Wisconsin, which like Planned Parenthood participated in the appeal, said the ruling struck the proper balance between patients’ and pharmacists’ rights.
A pharmacy should accommodate its pharmacists’ religious beliefs but it can’t leave “a patient high and dry,” Dupuis said.
Noesen said the discipline “critically devastated” his business as a traveling pharmacist because some pharmacies refused to hire him and he lost his liability insurance, court records said.
There was no telephone listing for Noesen in St. Paul. Linton said he had not talked to Noesen in several months and didn’t know whether he still lived in St. Paul.
As the CF alludes to on an earlier thread, the story of Cindy McCain (and, more importantly, the so-called “shoot from the hip” style of her husband) is quite interesting:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/
In all fairness. Pharmacist can refuse any and all prescriptions. They dont have too transfer any. The Federal and State Laws require that, “the Doctor rewrites the prescription and the client/patient then finds another pharmacy too get their meds”. Noone can force a Pharmacist too fill anything!! It is their discretion and privleage as a bussiness. Not all Doctors will write all prescriptions either. The client/patient needs to find a Doctor that will and a Pharmacy that will. The Feds and States cannot force a Doctor or Pharacist to write/fill anything. The DEA sets guidelines. The Doctors have discretions and opinions in this as well as Pharmacist. She needs to find another Pharmacy. He has the right to refuse service 24/7/365 within the DEA guidelines. He doesnt have to carry or dispense anything he doesnt want too. Go to McDonalds and file suit because your demand for a Whopper was refused. Shop where you can get what you want. Can he file suit because others shop elsewhere and he feels this lessens his client flow? Yes, if it comes from false claims and slander. Herbert West III west.herb@yahoo.com
No thread on the bankruptcy of Social Security and Medicare?
Hey,
A comment on the Eagles email service. I registered at the Kansas.com site. With that registration, they send one email news alerts. At the time of registration, ‘I thought just what I need another email source filling up my inbox with junk.’ Well, yesterday, I got notice of the ICT police shutting off two square blocks downtown looking for a shooter who had fired on police.
I was able to avoid that area when going to a restaurant last night. It was: “News that I could use.”
A challenge for traditional newspapers has been: how they can use the internet. Maybe the Eagle has found a way…
“Noesen said the discipline ‘critically devastated’ his business as a traveling pharmacist because some pharmacies refused to hire him and he lost his liability insurance, court records said.”
Good.
Catholics never complain I notice until after they get their liscense. They shouldn’t be allowed into pharmacy shool.
Immigration bargaining chip?
Business interests are apparently prepared to sacrifice what has been a decades-old icon—the state’s minimum wage law—as a bargaining chip to take the teeth out of a House immigration bill that they fear may get loose in its current form and be adopted by the Senate.
The immigration issue, which has been tense this session as conservative legislators are seeking penalties including loss of licenses and permits to do business in order to drive illegal immigrants out of Kansas, has come down to Thursday’s scheduled House debate on its immigration bill. That bill includes fines and loss of licenses for businesses that hire illegal immigrants.
Giving up Kansas’ minimum wage law—which could be included in a package of amendments to the House immigration bill—may provide lawmakers who are working to de-fang that bill trading fodder to remove some penalty provisions from it. Business interests don’t mind some penalties for accidental hiring of illegal immigrants but don’t want business-closing revocations of applicable state licenses and permits.
Defense of the state’s minimum wage has been a cause celebre among fiscally conservative and pro-business legislators who have for decades maintained that Kansas is an employment-at-will state and nobody has to work for less in wages than they can command in the marketplace.
The state minimum wage at $2.65 an hour applies primarily to small businesses, and most significantly to small food service establishments. An increase to the federal $5.85 an hour minimum wage may affect about 19,000 Kansas workers who are believed to be earning between $2.65 an hour and the federal minimum wage. Practically, though, many businesses pay at least the federal minimum wage just to get employees.
While there’s no affirmative offer to trade the minimum wage for concessions in the immigration bill, business interests are quietly letting it be known that they’re not going to hammer legislators who vote to adopt a popular-to-voters higher minimum wage, probably the federal minimum wage and its annual upward adjustments, as long as that is done by Kansas law, not by just adopting by reference federal minimum wage
Wow, the history channel has a program on right now about the war of 1812. I have to admit I do not know a great deal about that war. But they were just talking about the burning of Washington D.C. It seems that on the second day after the White House, Congress and a few other building were burnt. All seemed lost, President Madison was on the run and the American spirit seemed broken. The flames could be seen from fifty miles away. But suddenly a storm of the Century hit Washington, a hurricane hit with winds over a hundred miles an hour. The rain was putting the fires out and a tornado hit the center of the town. Killing many of the British, one British soldier described how the winds lifted several artillery pieces and threw them asunder.
OK, now you can take it several ways, storms come and go and no man can control them. But for some, that is a sign and it occurred to the British the same thing that one might take from it.
This the great experiment, the endeavors of men and unknown among the history of civilizations. And some may have said it was doomed to fail under the weight and want of mere men. Yet it continued, through more and many hardships then have cause the falls of greater civilization at the pentacle of their success. This new nation stood and stands still, through the wants and way of mere men. Take what you will from that storm, but it timing and temper seem clear. God blessed America….
An interesting piece of history regarding some gun control regs. in America.
Big Tim Sullivan was a notorious Irish gangster whose mob controlled New York City south of 14th Street around the turn of the 20th century. Throwing in his lot with the likes of Monk Eastman, Paul Kelly and Arnold Rothstein, Sullivan became an expert on that dark nexus where organized crime and politics consummate their unholy alliance, and soon became an influential figure in the corrupt Democratic machine there known as Tammany Hall.
The Sullivan Act was passed into law in New York state in 1911 and remains Big Tim’s primary legacy. It effectively banned most people from owning and, especially, carrying handguns. Under the onerous conditions of the corrupted law, a peaceable citizen of sound mind could apply for a pistol permit, but if any of a number of elected or appointed officials objected to its issuance, he or she could be denied the license. The law remains in effect to this day and has been used as the basis for gun laws in many other states and municipalities.
http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/column357.html
Good morning all
Komrade late getting back with this sorry
Komrade
Posted March 24, 2008 at 8:37 am | Permalink
“Your right komrade maybe i should have phrased it different In the last 40 years can you tell me what the gop stands for that does not include death,hate,or lies”
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Patriotism, Capitalism, Personal responsibility, initiative, integrity, entrepreneurship, social stability….for starters.
One at a time here we go
Patriotism=war in iraq equals death
Capitalism=except the civil war every war america has fought has been about capitalism war equals death zero for two so far
Personal responsibilty=like newt gingrich getting a divorce from his dying wife to marry a aide many years his jr,while leading the charge to impeach clinton for having a affair.
initiative:The only true initiative i have seen from the gop would be thwe missle defense system
but that once again involes death,maybe you would enlighten me here.
integrity:larry craig,david vitter,rush,liddy,bill’O,newt,trent,frist,macaca boy allen do i need to go on,although the dems suck on this one as well,must be honest!!
entrepreneurship:I have found most small business
owners start out dems.and become gop members when they make a buck,you might help me out again if you were refering to so other kind of entrepreneurship.
social stability:like the 68 con.in chi.like kent state,like your boy ronnie sleeping while aids spread across the world,claiming it was gods revenge on the gay man.
That about sums it up, any questions KOMRADE?
The War of 1812.
The war where American school children are told the US won, and British school children are told the British won.
Very interesting WD. I wonder if a tornado has hit Washington DC since? At the very least, a remarkable coincidence.
Or something more… ?
The War of 1812.
i can’t even remember when it was fought.
KSAggie, nobody ever wins in war. Spin it any way you want, the best you come out with is, “I didn’t lose as bad as the other guy”
ghotiphaze
You might want to ask the Brits how they feel about that.
Pmom - This is the kind of thing that gets me all riled up. NO ABORTIONS! NO ABORTIONS! But when a woman is being responsible using birth control, then a pharmacist thinks he can withhold what is rightfully hers. I mean, can a pharmacist not give patients blood pressure medication, or psychatropic medications because it is against his religion? I seriously doubt it, but somehow, our rights as women can be trampled on because of religion. F— that!!
I wonder why the pharmacist didn’t just hand her back the presciption and tell her to go somewhere else? Why is it his responsibility to transfer it to another pharmacy? As far as the woman, why didn’t she insist on getting it back or calling her doctor right then and telling him to call it in to another place?
Where is the woman’s responsibility for all of this? Unless she learns to take care of herself, my guess is that she’s going to get in trouble anyway. While I don’t agree with the pharmacist in question…I’m getting sick of people trying to force their values down other people’s throats.
SOUND FAMILIAR?
TDT..the answer is simple…don’t go to a pharmacy that won’t dispense birth control. Catholic hospitals won’t perform abortions, either…get over it.
It’s not like there is no access to either one if not everyone chooses to provide it.
Are we going to live in the land of the free or not?
As a former Catholic, I suppose I could be sympathetic to this pharmacist’s plight.
I could be - but I am not.
A whole lot has happened since 1989 when I left the Church. For one thing, the words “Cardinal Law” entered everyone’s lexicon. I guess I’m perplexed: There are only two trangressors who incur excommunication: those directly involved in elective abortions and someone who takes a shot at the Pope.
Someone please help me here: Taking SOME forms of the birth control pill MAY cause the EARLIEST abortions - and this is considered more serious than raping a 10-month-old child (the youngest victim of an errant priest).
I am an ex-Catholic - so I understand its stringency very, very well. And, to be fair - the penalty of excommunication is very rarely applied. My former Church, to its credit, respects the privacy (and primacy) of the confessional. Because abortion has become so common (something which should provide valid, albeit painful, sociological lessons), confessors no longer are required to send their penitents to the Bishop as regards this issue.
If this poor beleagured pharmacist wishes to honor his conscience, perhaps he and/or his Church should buy their own pharmacies, make their policies plain at the outset, and save any wayward women who have the temerity to think they can plan their own pregnancies any further travail.
Jesus - maybe menopause isn’t so bad after all. At least I don’t have to worry about this s–t.
Interesting information on the bond issue
http://wichita259truth.blogspot.com/
The people who scream when a pharmacist chooses not to dispense birth control pills are the same people who scream when a business owner chooses to allow smoking. Pro-choice my ass.
Mary, did you even read the article. It wasn’t a Catholic pharmacy, he just happened to be Catholic. He didn’t tell his employer that he was unwilling to dispense birth control. She was able to get the prescription filled AT THE SAME PHARMACY, but with a different pharmacist. Also, the PHARMACIST is the PROFESSIONAL here. Do you tell a patient of a doctor that she should have known that she had an aneurism when the doctor told her it was just migraines. Jeez!!
Still nothing on Social Security and Medicare. Intersting. Wonder how the candidates will handle it.
Sol - Do you have a link? I recall seeing something yesterday, but I don’t remember where.
Treasury Secretary says program is ‘financially unsustainable.’ Trustee report says government will have to pay back what it owes starting in 2017.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/25/pf/soc_sec_trustees_report/?postversion=2008032517
Here ya go.
WASHINGTON - Trustees for the government’s two biggest benefit programs warned Tuesday that Social Security and Medicare are facing “enormous challenges” with the threat to Medicare’s solvency far more severe.
The trustees, issuing a once-a-year analysis of the government’s two biggest benefit programs, said the resources in the Social Security trust fund will be depleted by 2041. The reserves in the Medicare trust fund that pays hospital benefits were projected to be wiped out by 2019.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_on_go_ot/social_...
http://www.kansas.com/wireupdates/story/351614.html
today’s paper, TDT
Sheesh, everyone’s tryin’ to give ya a hand, TDT
However, I dont think this “crisis” is news to anyone who has been paying attention…
Gotta go today. Four hundred pounds of seed potatoes to pick up and plant. And mulch.
Two chicken houses to be cleaned.
Two hundred pounds of peat moss to be spread in the chicken houses in anticipation of new chicks.
Being self unemployed and eating food I grow? Priceless….
Sol,
How many times in the last year did I write about the Social Security and Medicare Fiscal Crisis?
Nobody cares.
Somehow? I’m thinking that growing “hemp” would be half as much work at twice as much profit!
Have fun Farmie.
from the above link…
Borrowing from the future
For years, the Social Security program has been taking in more in payroll taxes from existing workers than it needed to fund benefits. The government borrowed that surplus and promised to pay it back with interest by issuing special issue bonds to the program.
But the proceeds from those bonds are finite, which is why the trustees estimate that the trust fund will run dry by 2041. Without that cushion, Social Security would only be able to pay out the money it collects in payroll taxes.
Demographics are a major reason for the funding shortfall. The number of workers, compared to retirees, has begun to shrink. That means the system will produce a smaller surplus, then none at all, and eventually it won’t be able to pay out all benefits promised to future retirees.
Last year, the trustees also estimated that the government would need to start paying back the program in 2017, and that the Social Security trust fund would be exhausted by 2041.
Currently, the first $102,000 of wages are subject to the 12.4% payroll tax that funds Social Security. Typically, half the tax is paid by workers, and the other half is paid by employers.
To keep the system solvent over the next 75 years, the trustees estimated that the Social Security payroll tax rate would need to increase to 14.1%, up from the current 12.4%. Or lawmakers could bring it into balance by cutting benefits by 12%.
Neither is a popular political solution. Lawmakers and presidential candidates from both parties acknowledge that a bipartisan solution is required. But no one’s expecting one this year, with a lame-duck president in the White House and lawmakers focused on elections, to say nothing of an economic downturn.
Nonpartisan experts say the pain of fixing Social Security can be lessened in two ways: Make changes soon so that they affect more people but in a less dramatic manner, and implement a combination of tax increases and benefit reductions so that neither is particularly steep.
Medicare a bigger problem
Medicare, which was also addressed in Tuesday’s report, has an even larger and more immediate funding deficit to address.
The Medicare program is already taking in less than it has committed to pay out, and the trustees forecast that the Medicare trust fund will be depleted by 2019, at which point Medicare would only be able to pay out 78% of costs.
Medicare was designed to be funded by three sources: payroll taxes; Medicare premiums paid by beneficiaries; and general revenue or money from income taxes.
The payroll tax portion of that funding comes from a 2.9% tax on all wages - half of which is paid by workers and half by their employers. To make Medicare solvent over the next 75 years, the trustees estimate that 6.44% of wages would need to be taxed.
As they did last year, the trustees issued a funding warning in their 2008 report, which they’re required to issue when they anticipate that general revenues will have to fund more than 45% of Medicare’s total expenditures within the next six years.
Lawmakers won’t be able to solve the long-term shortfalls in Medicare until they find a way to reform health care, said Paul Van De Water, senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
“Medicare’s long-term financing problems are due to the sharp rise in health care costs, not to structural problems particular to Medicare.”
One more thing…
Stevie Miller of Sunflower Electric and “boycott Lawrence” fame says the fraction of power to be kept in Kansas from the Holcomb plant is needed for the ETHANOL plants being developed in the desert formerly known as southwest Kansas.
Hehehehhehe.
Wanna see the future for ethanol? (Pssst. It aint pretty)
Check this collection of posts from the GRAIN industry.
http://dtnag.com/dtnag/common/link.do?symbolicName=/ag/blogs/template1&blogHandle=ethanol
Looks like sunflower, governor leadership, her boy mark, and joe harkins all bet on the wrong horse with their love affair with ethanol, irrigation, corn and water wasting.
Ok, before everyone gets busy with their daily rants and back-biting, I’d like to interject an uplifting bit I got from todays WichiTalk/trashtalk section:
“Oprah hits 246 pounds!” (Nat’l Enquirer)
Ok, now we know the London rate, what’s she worth in America?
“Gotta go today. Four hundred pounds of seed potatoes to pick up and plant. And mulch.”
Damn. That is a LOT of potatoes!
Fleettwood Mac: If an abortionist - any abortionist - were to break into your home and force an abortion on a family member, I cannot think of pro-choice person who would say, “It was that doctor’s choice; it wuz cool what he/she did.”
Pro choice doesn’t mean anarchy. It doesn’t mean an ethical free-for-all. For some of us, it’s a painful, uneasy alliance. But please - don’t put wurds in our mouths….it doesn’t become you.
Oh, and by the way - I just loved “Hypnotized” from the “Mystery To Me” album.
Mary: I have a rather provocative proposition: What about the man’s responsibility for fertility planning? Believe it or not (hang onto yer hats, all you folk who equate us with unbridled hedonists)…..
As a younger woman, I was very, very drawn to natural family planning. It was non-chemical; it was (purportedly) accurate; it did not require hormones or devices shoved into very sensitive bodily areas; and (this is the biggest one) - it required the dedication and sacrifice of BOTH partners. Had I ever been engaged, I would have enrolled in NFP classes immediately.
Tragically, however, there are two drawbacks to its usage for EVERYONE: 1) It frequently requires ridiculously long periods of abstention, especially if one MUST avoid pregnancy; and 2) the purported success rates are not accurate. They are accurate for some; they are not indicative of the lived experiences of the faithful.
Add to the fact that I am long past believing something just because the Pope says I must. Certainly, the current and past pontiffs have spoken words of enduring eloquence and wisdom; equally, they have been fallible.
When it comes to disciplining errant priests, they have been monstrous.
Pro-choice individuals are not carbon copies of one another. I don’t demand that others believe the way I do; or “feel” the exact way I do; if I did, I’d have a perpetual scowl on my face. And I sure don’t want that; even at my age, a girl just needs to feel pretty.
The Democrat solution is obvious Sol, just raise taxes.
They will have to raise the taxes by DOUBLE the amounts shown above though, because they will increase taxes on the rich - you know, those who earn more then $30,000/year.
Now it gets a little more complicated when you had in the cost of National Healthcare. Again, the same approach will be to raise the taxes on those earning more then $30,000/year.
So for those earning above $30,000/year:
Social Security Taxes go up from 12.4% (+ 1.7% x 2) to 15.8%.
—That’s a 28% Tax Increase.
Medicare Taxes go up from 2.9% (+ 3.54% x 2) to 9.98%.
—That’s a 244% Tax Increase.
National Health Care Tax will be how much ON TOP OF THE SOCIAL SECURITY/MEDICARE TAX INCREASE?
Oh, there is No Chance in He** that Aarp and the retiring Baby Boomers will allow for ANY cuts in benefits.
Federal Spending Cuts? Ain’t gonna happen. Never has. Never will.
kfg knows her taters.
On that point, my Grandfather was a great believer in planting by the Farmer’s Almanac (moon sign).
According to the Almanac, plant those taters between now and 4 April and they will do well.
From the 12-14 April set out your strawberries, tomatoes and other above ground crops (corn,etc.)
Seem to work for him back when.
So if it were a jehovah witness pharmacy, and the pharmacist would not dispense out things like Plavix, Aspirin, anything that could mess with the blood, do you think we’d hear this sort of outcry? Oh yeah.
If you cannot perform your job because of religion, then don’t go into that field.
It is not the pharmacist’s job to put his 2 cents in, it’s his job to provide the drug prescribed.
I’m glad to see he’s having trouble finding a job after he tells them he won’t dispense medications.
And it isn’t always so easy to go out of town to another pharmacist and get another script. Who wants to pay for that?
I’m glad to see he’s having trouble finding a job after he tells them he won’t dispense medications.
As per yesterday’s paper, there appears to be an opening in the cocaine market
Social Security and Medicare
Why don’t we trim government spending by ending the Iraq war, eliminating un needed departments (Homeland Security, DOE, etc) and fund what we already owe. Allow those that want to to cash out now – give them back their money. Allow those joining the workforce to be grandfathered in for say, 5 years. These new entrants would have the option of paying into SS or not. After 5 years, no new entries into SS.
Sounds simple, easy, and first respects each individual’s liberty.
On the Medicare and SS issue, it seems there will have to be a multilayer solution. Maybe raise the cap for taking out the taxes to say 5%, to about $107,000, raise the percentage they take out by 1%, and reduce benefits by 5%. I really hate the thought of reduced benefits, but some is better than nothing, right?
I like your idea too Sol. In fact, if they would pay back what I have paid in, I could invest it myself, and I bet I would have a really good retirement by the time I’m 65.
In fact, if they would pay back what I have paid in
That would be fine if you were the only one to do that. But SS being a pyramid scam after the 1st 20k people or so did that what would the remaining 280 million people that paid in do?
The pharmacy issue becomes important in small towns where he effectively has a monopoly. And, since the State will not allow over-the-counter purchase the State is effectively protecting that monopoly. That is why the State has an interest.
Either my Dem or I go McCain. (Fox News)
Many Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama supporters are ready to spurn the Democratic party and vote for John McCain in November if their candidate doesn’t win the presidential nomination, according to a new poll out Wednesday.
And a second poll out Wednesday shows most voters — including 85 percent of Democrats — believe there’s a chance that the battle between Clinton and Obama will not be resolved before the August convention.
Among people who identified themselves as Hillary Clinton supporters, 28 percent said they would vote for McCain if Obama is his opponent, the March 7-22 Gallup Poll Daily election tracking survey found.
The same poll found that 19 percent of Obama supporters would switch sides and cast ballots for McCain if Clinton is the Democratic candidate.
The survey interviewed 6,657 Democratic voters nationwide and had a margin of error of 2 percent.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/26/gallup-poll-shows-many-democratic-voters-ready-to-vote-mccain-if-their-first-choice-doesnt-make-it-to-november/
Ghoti–
SS is in no way a pyramid scheme.
It is a system in which the people working now (vast majority) pay for the people who aren’t working (minority).
A full third of SS pay-outs go to disabled people under retirement age (like Regular) and orphans under 18.
The number of workers to non-workers is about 3 to 1. Given that a typical income from SS might be about 18,000 a year, you’d only need 3 people (and their employers) paying in 6,000 a year to meet that expense.
You remember the old adage about no question being dumb? I’m probably about to prove that one wrong. I have a question I don’t even know enough to ask, can’t find the words (due again to that total lack of knowledge) so someone might need to be a mind reader if I’m to find an answer.
There is a state fund that is divvied up to school districts that put up their own money for “certain” expenditures. It’s not a trivial amount! I think Wichita USD 259 got some of this money for the projects funded by the 2000 school bond issue and are hoping to get more of it if they pass another bond issue on May 6th. Ok, my questions:
1. In 2000 we were told the school bond issue would pay for (fill in the blank) and the cost of that would be $284.5 million. There was an oversight committee appointed to make sure our money was spent as promised, etc.
IF the costs were what we approved in bond monies what happened to the amounts the state kicked in??
2. On May 6th we will vote on a $350 million bond issue that is supposed to be the costs of doing (fill in the blanks).
Why is the costs of doing these projects not reduced by the amount the state kicks in??
Sorry CraponAmerica,
I don’t get Social Security disability, nor do I qualify for it.
Crapn loves to kick cripples at every opportunity.
Sort of like J R, who promised to kick my wrist canes out from underneath me, if he ever saw me.
Linda, as to your questions in general (I know I don’t know all needed to fully answer):
There were additional state funds received (as well as some FEMA funds for the “safe rooms”) in the first bond issue. IIRC, most of those funds were used to buy new desks, lab equipment, etc., to outfit the newly created and remodeled spaces resulting from the bond issue. These funds were in addition to the funds received from the bond issue.
As to your second question, the state funding is 25% of the total bond issue, and is to go for principal and interest, as I understand it. Thus, in a sense, the bond issue is approved for the gross amount; the state picks up 25%, with the local taxpayers (should the bond issue pass) paying the other 75% plus the interest on the same. The district sells the bonds to get the full amount authorized; then, as to repayment, the state funding is used, as I said, for 25%, and the local property tax levies pay the other 75%.
The difference in how this is done between the first and second bond issues is due, again IIRC, to the change in the school finance law after Montoy.
I’m sure there are those more knowledgeable than I that can better explain this.
Even Fox News is starting to wake up.
Time to Listen to Ron Paul?
By Elizabeth MacDonald
“Congressman Paul rightfully warns us when he says the US government has “systematically undermined” the US dollar by expanding “the money supply at will for financing war or manipulating the economy with little resistance from Congress–while benefiting the special interests that influence government.”
It’s not just the US gunning the mints. Goldman Sachs figures that three-fifths of the world’s broad money supply growth came from emerging economies over the past year or so. Three-fifths. That’s gigantic.”
“Empires fail because they run out of money, or more accurately, run out of the ability to spend or inflate,” Congressman Paul warns. “We need to control spending, immediately, before it is too late.”
Here is something from the district web site that attempts to explain the state funding being used to pay 25% of the total bond issue amount (together with interest); the brief explanation is about half-way down the page.
http://www.usd259.com/news/Bond2008/Bond+Issue+Cost/default.htm
Sorry, forgot the link
http://emac.blogs.foxbusiness.com/2008/03/26/time-to-listen-to-ron-paul/
There is even a democrat that sees the light…
Democrat Gravel Switches to Libertarian
Gravel, a former Democratic senator from Alaska, said in an e-mail that the Democratic Party “no longer represents my vision for our great country.”
“It is a party that continues to sustain war, the military-industrial complex and imperialism _ all of which I find anathema to my views,” he said in the e-mail in which he also asked supporters for campaign donations.
http://www.newsmax.com/politics/gravel_libertarian/2008/03/26/83145.html
Thanks Vaughn.
Seems to some extent it is smoke and mirrors. When they pass a bond issue they get the costs covered and then get a bunch of money from the state they don’t have to be as accountable for spending.
http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/kern_032508.html
Oklahoma House Rep. Sally Kern made an Easter Sunday appearance on KFOR-TV’s “Flash Point” to face off with an openly gay pastor, elaborating on her recent leaked speech and defending her views.
A spirited theological and political debate ensued between Rep. Kern, host Kevin Ogle, panelists Burns Hargis and Mike Turpen, and Dr. Scott Jones of Oklahoma City’s Cathedral of Hope.
“I was speaking to a group of Republicans; grassroots Republicans,” Kern explained of the original speech, which gained worldwide attention after posted on the Internet by the Gay & Lesbian Victory Fund, “and I was talking about the homosexual agenda, and how they are out there putting forth–funding very heavily–homosexual and pro-homosexual candidates to run against, and defeat, conservatives across the nation.
“I did talk about what I believe…scientific evidence, health evidence…proves that the homosexual lifestyle is a dangerous lifestyle. And, yes, I did compare it to being more dangerous than terrorism. And my point in doing that, gentlemen, was this: Everybody knows terrorism destroys and tears down, and that was the only analogy I was making is that the homosexual agenda, this lifestyle which is so destructive to individuals, is at the heart trying to tear down what is the bedrock foundation of our society, which is the family and traditional marriage.”
“You don’t really believe that Scott,” asks panelist Michael Turpen of Pastor Jones, “is more dangerous than Osama bin Laden, do you?”
“I believe that the…homosexual agenda, and the lifestyle that it involves, is deadly to this nation. Now, I was not saying that Scott here is personally as dangerous as Osama bin Laden, but I was just making a comparison to prove my point.”
“Well, I would denounce hate speech of any kind,” rebuts Jones, “and have in my public remarks in response to yours. And you have to understand that when you say that gay people are like cancer…and cancer is something that we eradicate; that we kill; or that we are worse than terrorists, and terrorists are people that we go after to annihilate, to kill, you have to understand why those words would outrage people, because what are you saying? That we should go after gay people and eradicate them or annihilate them?”……..
To continue reading and to watch the video of the debate go to:
http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/kern_032508.html
It would seem they didn’t see fit to do routine maintenance with extra monies.
Another question.
Is there property insurance on our schools that is something like our home owner’s policies that pay for nature’s damages? Not talking about the wear and tear we must keep up with or become overwhelmed by.
Which brings up yet another question.
Why did Martin Libhart, Chief Operations Officer, allow our schools maintenance to become overwhelming vs. something kept up with? And I’m not buying that excuse about the few short years they gave that responsibility to another company. Dodge Elementary didn’t get into a dilapidated shape in a short period of time.
Speaking of Dodge Elementary. How can a school be riddled with mold AND not be a danger to any students?
Again, Linda, as to the current situation; the money received from the state goes to, and cannot be used for any other purpose than, repayment of bond principal and interest. This results, then, in the local taxpayers (yes, property tax payers, together with renters whose rents go up a bit to help the landlord to pay increased taxes) in repaying $262.5 million (plus interest) rather than $350 million (plus interest), the state paying the other $87.5 million (plus interest).
On the facility upgrade money (that’s what I recall it was called) that was received from the state after the first bond issue, it, too, had to be used for certain, limited specific purposes, and accounted for to the state. I recall several discussions in Site Council meetings back then as to what these funds could and could not be used for, and it was remarkable to me what was considered facility upgrade and what was not. I understood that new lab equipment, new desks, etc., were proper subjects for use of such funding, while the wiring for a building wide computer network (to use one example) was not. The general idea, IIRC, was to provide some funding for the furnishing of the extra spaces created with basic needed improvements.
My recollection on the 2000 bond issue and the state funds received as a part thereof is a bit clouded due to the passage of time.
SS is in no way a pyramid scheme.
Sorry to disagree with ya, Cap’n. Ya should know by now I’m a very simple person. If the peak of those drawing out is being supported by the much higher number paying in, it looks like a pyramid scheme to me. No different than AmWay and chain letters.
Big Brother will soon be watching you!!
MIAMI (Reuters) - Miami police could soon be the first in the United States to use cutting-edge, spy-in-the-sky technology to beef up their fight against crime.
A small pilotless drone manufactured by Honeywell International, capable of hovering and “staring” using electro-optic or infrared sensors, is expected to make its debut soon in the skies over the Florida Everglades.
If use of the drone wins Federal Aviation Administration approval after tests, the Miami-Dade Police Department will start flying the 14-pound (6.3 kg) drone over urban areas with an eye toward full-fledged employment in crime fighting.
This results, then, in the local taxpayers (yes, property tax payers, together with renters whose rents go up a bit to help the landlord to pay increased taxes) in repaying $262.5 million (plus interest) rather than $350 million (plus interest), the state paying the other $87.5 million (plus interest).
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Then we should be voting on a $262.5 million bond issue?
But if they can a $350 million bond issue passed they can use the extra $87.5 million in “other” ways?
A link to Dave’s story.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUKN1929797920080326
Great news for civil liberties?
IIRC, the district is a self-insurer, and has reinsurance to cover major damage.
Deferred maintenance on buildings and facilities is a product of several things, one of which is the needs outstrip the funds raised from that part of the mill levy which is dedicated to that purpose. It seems to me that there is some practical or legal impediment to raising this levy but I don’t recall what it is.
The “extra monies” (whether from the bond issue in 2000, the facilities upgrade funding, or the recent increase in per student allocation) were not lawfully allowed to be used for routine maintenance. Again, it is my understanding that there is a certain mill levy (4 mills?) of the general school mill levy which is dedicated for this purpose.
Dodge Elementary is in terrible condition. It didn’t happen overnight. However, it also didn’t receive any funds from the last bond issue (due to the Edison contract); prior to the bond issue work, there were many buildings in deplorable condition, resulting from deferred maintenance, many of these benefited from the bond issue and these problems were taken care of. Absent the 2000 bond issue, there would be many more buildings in the district in the same general condition as Dodge Elementary finds itself now.
No, we should be voting on a $350 million bond issue. Remember the state “pays” 25% of the total amount of the bond issue, thus, if 259 was voting on a $262.5 million bond issue, the state would pay $65.625 million principal (together with interest).
AH! Boy is my head hard. Thank you for your patience. I’m trying. Very trying sometimes…
Big Brother will soon be watching you!!
Sol, I don’t like the basic premise of this, but once again, it doesn’t effect me.
Besides, I KNOW what that flashing green dot in the upper left corner of my TV screen is all about!
*ducks*
And, again, the 25% to be “paid by the state” doesn’t result in an additional (in this case) $87.5 million to the district; the district receives $350 million, it is the source of funds for the repayment of this (together with interest) that is divided up: 25% from “state funding”; 75% from the local taxpayers.
Of course, Linda and my discussion here is academic only, given the uncertain (well, I don’t think it is all that uncertain) fate of the bond issue, the election for which is May 6.
Vaughn, Linda, I may be really short sighted, and I’m out of district, but it seems that many of the ‘maintenance’ shortfalls in 259 began about the time they had the drastic decrease in custodial workforce in 259. Either of you would remember it better than I–was it 02,03, or 04? Wasn’t it something like 1/3 or more of custodians were laid off?
Yep, fish, that’s also a part of the story. This had to do with the state per pupil funding actually decreasing in nominal dollars, which resulted in cuts to various parts of the local general budget for schools (259 and elsewhere) resulting therefrom. Generally, custodians were cut only after other areas were, but before teachers.
However, the shortfall in maintenance has been an ongoing issue for the 17 years I’ve been involved with the district as a parent and on Site Councils, etc. It is my impression that the mill levy dedicated to maintenance, etc., should be doubled, at least, to raise the needed funding. I’m not sure, but it is my recollection that to do this, there would need to be some kind of election involved.
BTW, on a completely different note, we’re gearing up for a major run on our military products at work again. I feel the Urge to Surge again.
an ongoing issue for the 17 years
I just figured this way: You don’t have the hands to paint the board, it rots; you don’t have the hand to replace the board, the wall stud rots; no hand to replace the studs, the wall falls down.
Ok, for want of a nail…
Fish- Just out of curiosity, what type of products are you referring to? I also wonder what we could possibly “surge” with?
“Generally, custodians were cut only after other areas were, but before teachers.”
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This would be a perfect time for some true journalist to look into how many teachers (qualified to teach, paid as teachers) don’t have a thing to do with teaching. No classroom responsibilities, no students to teach…
Understand, Fish; but the problems were there long before there were cuts to the custodial personnel. It was more of a “don’t have the money to buy the nails, boards, paint” to take care of all needs, so the resources available were devoted to emergencies, and the routine was deferred yet another year (or two or…..).
May I ask about the policies on this Blog (again)? Are other post-ers allowed to hi-jack our monikers? Last night some erudite gent named Chas. asked me if I were a card-carrying member of NARAL. Elsewhere, I’ve seen “Chas.” exuded more liberal-mindedness. Then, another dude scoffed at the idea of forgiveness.
You know, I still haven’t recovered from being in the presence of someone sinless. A bona-fide, stainless-steel, usullied, untainted demi-god! Wow!
As K. Cobain once said, I have a hard time carryin’ on knowin’ there’s saints like that in my atmosphere…..
Yes, it would be. It would also be interesting for such a journalist to find out if some of this is due to NCLB requirements (as has been argued).
what type of products are you referring t
not bombs or guns, I assure you. Rather not say, but we occasionally run these parts in small orders, but the last time we had this large of a run was about 3 months before initial ’surge’.
This would be a perfect time for some true journalist to look into how many teachers (qualified to teach, paid as teachers) don’t have a thing to do with teaching. No classroom responsibilities, no students to teach…
I know a few of those! And others who sit on the phone all day in prayer meetings while the para does all the teaching.
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Understand, Fish; but the problems were there long before there were cuts to the custodial personnel…
Thanks for pointing that out.
There sure is a more efficient and cost effective way to finance these BOE project as opposed to the “Every 5 Year Catastrophic” approach we seem to be currently confronted with. I realize the BOE budget is not awash with $ to necessarily do this, but I can’t think there isn’t more effective middle ground to strive for. (I’m definitely not knowlegible about this subject)
By “NCLB” requirements, I am, of course, referring to that part of the law regarding professional development programs for teaching staff. While there are options available to meet this, as I understand it, the least costly (short run) is to use existing staff who are teachers (usually those with much experience) to “teach” other teachers. Then, there are the assessment coordinators, data evaluators, etc., that seem to be in every school, and many of them are qualified teachers. I don’t know the full scope and reach of all the NCLB requirements for these things, but it seems there is some extra overhead resulting from the darned thing that is being addressed by using “teachers”.
Of course, looking at the Heights High School bond request, I wonder how many other teachers that could be used there, with 16 teachers in the building on carts, without a room. The student population at Heights is increasing, and to have a smaller student:teacher ratio, more teachers are needed, but if there’s no room…
asked me if I were a card-carrying member of NARAL.
a one horned water living mammal?
(gotta go look up naral and see if it’s an insult)
A very sobering read. I stake no clam to its validity.
http://blogs.kansas.com/weblog/2008/03/is-iraq-war-worth-sacrifice/#comment-320115
gster, they make it difficult for anyone to know more than they would like us to “know.” There is some smoke and mirrors. Lots of money involved. I think that extends to our B.O.E. — the part about not knowing that is. Of course this is just my own very cynical opinion. And, I’ve already proved how little I know.
I’m also curious if any monies will be realized with the upcoming change to D259’s busing policy?
gster, it seems to me (and I’m not all that knowledgeable, either) that given the capital investment the district has in its various buildings, etc., and as costs continue to increase, there needs to be a hard look taken at the mill levy for this type of expenditure. Again, to raise it might take an election, or it might take legislative action, or both, but geez, it would seem that being able to do routine maintenance in a timely fashion would really be better than bond issues every so often.
Many hours are spent accumulating data. Is that data used?
So, Heights is crowded. Maybe we shouldn’t be wanting all those students Circle wants. Could it be they want the tax base and then will attempt to figure out what to do with the students? Are there some high schools below capacity?
gster, my understanding on ending busing for integration is that it will not reduce busing or busing costs.
gster, no, there won’t be, at least in the short run. The reasons for this are manifold, one being the option that students who are currently subject to forced busing have to continue attending their current school (which requires busing of these students to continue), another being the option and priority of such students for magnet admissions (which may require busing). Even if there is, the money will be “saved” in the transportation budget, which, again, may only be used for transportation, and not for general fund items. In other words, saving $100 thousand in the transportation budget doesn’t mean there is now an additional $100 thousand available for other purposes; it just means that there’s $100 thousand less spent on transportation (much of which comes from state funding, BTW).
Door King has the super solution for the Social Security crisis; the payments would be made into home equity accounts. You can’t touch them till you’re 70. If you get disabled, gvmt. makes the payments but keeps the principle. Hosana. Problem solved; wealth, employment and a safety net for all.
I would like this journalist who really wants to dig into this subject and get out some facts to also get a list of each school’s enrollment and capacity. Let’s look at this over crowding situation.
And why is it we can’t share some resources? You know like the big stadiums that seat many spectators.
Linda, the current controversy over the Circle students, if I may use that term, was not a fight chosen by 259 as such. The original driving force behind it was Bel Aire, IIRC, who wanted, for future development sake, to have the students there attend school in one district, rather than being split. 259 (foolishly, IMHO), agreed to take the matter on.
Off the top of my head, West High is under capacity; I believe South is, too. To get students to these places from the Heights attendance area would, forgetting about any boundary redrawing, result IMHO in additional money being spent on busing them. Yes, they (being in High School) might drive themselves, which brings other considerations into play, such as larger parking lots, more traffic congestion, etc.
Political_Mama,
Want to meet for lunch? How about dinner?
You never did say if you were going to take me up on my offer or not.
Linda, sharing stadiums, gyms, pools, would be something that should really be thought about by 259. It would, IMHO, be more economical in the long run than building practice gyms, new gyms, etc., at several sites.
Vaughn, USD259 utilization is at about 88% of capacity. The highschools are at about 98% capacity, but the utilization for middle schools is under 70%.
from http://wichita259truth.blogspot.com/
Fish, I can’t remember the exact name of the acronym, but it’s a national abortion rights league.
Gster, The only portion of busing that will change is the integrated part, however that’s a small portion of the busing. Most bussing occurs because of attendance at a school of their choice (magnet etc).
wichiwoman- Thanks for the info.. I had no idea that “chosen(?)” busing was that popular.
Fish, I can’t remember the exact name of the acronym
Thanky, ma’am.
National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL)
Thanks Hud, couldn’t remember what the 2nd ‘A’ was for.
Me neither Gster, I mistakenly thought that all busing was for integration. However, a school-bus-driving friend of mine informed me that was not the case.
“The pastor of a Kansas church whose father is a judge is charged in Missouri with forging a woman’s name to a check for $100,000.
“Randy Baldridge of Carl Junction, Mo., was due in Newton County court for arraignment Wednesday on a felony forgery charge.
“He’s accused of forging Joplin resident Nancy Sarduk’s name without her permission and trying to use the check to secure an investment note from AG Financial Solutions of Springfield.
“A probable-cause affidavit says Baldridge also put Sarduk’s name, address and Social Security number on the investment application form.
“The 53-year-old is pastor of the Sixth Street Baptist Church in Galena and the son of semiretired Jasper County Circuit Judge George Baldridge.”
Oh well, the Baptists have been soaking the flock all along.
The pastor of a Kansas church whose father is a judge is charged in Missouri with forging a woman’s name to a check for $100,000.
If she considers it ‘titheing’ will she get $700,000 back?
Baptists have been soaking the flock all along.
Not my wife’s baptist’s church.
“These questions have not and will not go away. At its very best, Iraq, it is now more than apparent, is a decades-long, bankrupting, utopian liberal attempt to build a democratic culture where no such culture has ever existed; and at worst, it is a corrupting, demoralizing cancer on America’s reputation and power in the world. At home, the long term fiscal situation is at a crisis-level, with Republicans adding $32 trillion to future unfunded liabilities by the federal government in seven years, and with a commitment not to raise any more revenue for the indefinite future. Neither Obama nor Clinton has any plan to tackle this debt or to restrain entitlement spending in any serious way. Millions of private individuals have taken out idiotic mortgage loans on houses they cannot afford and should never have been reckless enough to buy. The dollar is headed into the toilet as much of the US economy is leveraged on the bona fides of a still-authoritarian regime that is currently brutally suppressing human rights in Tibet and across its territory.
For all his quirks, and for all his unseemly past associations, Ron Paul had some serious view about the gravity of the situation and a philosophy that was once called conservative and is now smeared as nuts. History will be far kinder to him that today’s chattering classes.”
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/why-ron-paul-st.html
Nor ours either. Like most monkeys, Monkeyhawk likes to throw sh*t on the wall. In his case bigoted sh*t.
Baptists have no sense of humor.
Think a moment. What is the key ritual from whence Baptists get their name?
Sheesh.
Just for fun…………..
“Oldest known human fossil found in Europe - Piece of jawbone unearthed in Spain could be up to 1.3 million years old”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23813443/
“The researchers said the fossil found last year at Atapuerca in northern Spain, along with stone tools and animal bones, is up to 1.3 million years old. That would be 500,000 years older than remains from a 1997 find that prompted the naming of a new species: Homo antecessor, or Pioneer Man, possibly a common ancestor to Neanderthals and modern humans.”
Interesting.
RS:Posted March 26, 2008 at 7:04 am
RS is ripping off Hawver’s Caitol Report without giving credit to the author.
Shedding a bit more light on the “busing” issue, if I may. There are, as has been pointed out above, more components to the busing in Wichita than just for deseg purposes. There is busing to and from magnet schools (if the student lives more than 2.5 miles from the site); there is busing for special ed purposes; and there is busing for deseg. There is also busing to alleviate hazardous conditions for certain buildings/sites where the student lives closer than 2.5 miles, but due to major thoroughfares, etc., the crossing of which presents a hazard to students, buses may be provided.
What should be remembered is that the great majority of the money for transportation comes from “state funding”, to a separate fund, to be used for this purpose and this purpose alone. I believe that Special Ed transportation comes from Special Ed funding, but I’m not 100% sure of that. Anyway, any money saved by busing changes will not result in more money in the general fund for school operations, rather there will be a lesser amount received from the “state funding for transportation”.
MKay, thank you for the link, It seemed to me that the high schools, as a group, were fairly close to full utilization. This, of course, is an “average”, and while Heights may be >100% of population, this could be balanced by West, e.g., being at 90%.
Interesting…
‘Sunflower Power President’s “No Fuel Bias” Questionable in Kansas’
http://www.desmogblog.com/sunflower-power-presidents-no-fuel-bias-q uestionable-in-kansas
“Watkin’s “no fuel bias” is a little hard to believe when the same Earl Watkins Jr. sits on the Board of Directors of the Western Fuels Association, a cooperative business that supplies 17 million tons of coal to electric generating plants across the United States.
Its even harder to swallow Watkin’s spin with release of a new report by financial research firm Innovest Strategic Value Advisors, finding that natural gas generation might actually be more cost-effective given impending federal greenhouse gas regulations. “
ksagnostic:The Brits think of the war of 1812 as a European war against Napoelon, North America was a side issue for them. Madison felt that the Royal Navy’s interdict on cross Atlantic trade and taking of Royal Navy deserters serving on American ships was an infringemnt of freedom of the seas, declared war and invaded British North America. We think it was an attempt to implement the manifest destiny thing, and he figured the Brits were too busy to do muuch about it. US troops were told that all they would have to do is show the Stars and Stripes and the locals would flock to be free from cruel British domination. Anyway, attempts to invade were repulsed in Quebec, the St.Lawerence River area ,Niagara Falls and from Detroit by the local militia and Indians along with some Brit troops. Then we campaigned in Michigan and Ohio, and were thrown out. There were skirmishes won by both sides and in the end British North Americans occupied parts of northern Michigan which were returned as part of the Peace Treaty. So if you ask us about the war of 1812, we’d say the American attempt to take British North America failed, hence the purpose of the declaration of war was twarted. Many States refused to supply soldiers especially in New England who wanted nothing to do with “Mr. Madison’s War” and some States had rules about their militia being invloved other than the protection of the US so refused to invade while some left to plant and then harvest the crops. (Another inaccuracy is the “taking” of Quebec by the British arising from a military expedition.) For what its’ worth, there was no place called Canada in 1812-14 so I don’t know who or what was invaded technically….and I don’t think anybody actually wins a war in a strategic sense.
Actually Monkeyhawk, you’re right. I didn’t get it. I apologize. Good one.
Two interesting headlines I read on thinkprogress.org that made me go hummmmmmm.
Fox’s Chris Wallace Takes Fox And Friends ‘To Task’ For ‘Two Hours Of Obama Bashing’ 3/21
Then today I read:
“Wallace backs down on Fox and Friends disagreement”
………………..Wallace revealed that a Fox News executive sent him an e-mail after his Fox and Friends appearance to say, “isn’t this the kind of thing we should be talking about off camera, not on camera?”
Baptists have no sense of humor.
I have to disagree. If we’all get together somewhere, remind me to tell you a story my wife’s pastor told me. It busted me up!
Songbird — I believe I suggested that you might be interested in looking into NARAL…
http://www.naral.org
Thanks!
Songbird — I thought you might find some ways of exploring some of your stated issues on that web site… Sorry if you misunderstood!!
Fish - perhaps we should say that some baptists have no sense of humor — LOL
Personally, I know baptists in both categories
“kscitydude” noted –
“Fox’s Chris Wallace Takes Fox And Friends ‘To Task’ For ‘Two Hours Of Obama Bashing’ 3/21″
And today’s —
“Wallace backs down on Fox and Friends disagreement”
“…Wallace revealed that a Fox News executive sent him an e-mail after his Fox and Friends appearance to say, ‘isn’t this the kind of thing we should be talking about off camera, not on camera?’”
These kinds of memos from Fox Noise Channel executives are manifold and well-documented.
For anyone — even those who worship at the altar of Faux News — to think it is anything other than a right wing propaganda machine defies evidence, logic, and rational thought.
I’d tell the joke here, but I know y’all think I’m a rude, crude guttersnipe (ok, I admit, I am!), and while it isn’t really ‘blue’ it is somewhat risque, and being about the pastor himself, I’m afraid Nate and some of the ‘others’ would take umbrage to me posting something about a preacher. I’d hate to come up with a different nick–I’ve used this since ‘92 in IRC.
Probably a good idea Fish — Wouldnt want to get a bonfire started this early!!
Really, it’s about 3 hours past my bedtime. Y’all’ve been keeping me up too late too often.
Y’all give me the giggles.
You work graveyard, Fish??
yessir, but I don’t dig graves anymore. I hate the disinternment when the caskets disintergrate (yeah, I’ve done that at one time in my life–I hated picking up the arm and cramming it back into the coffin)
Yea, I can understand that… however, it does remind me of a story
We cannot allow any pharmacists to be forced into filling or referring prescriptions for the morning-after abortifacient Plan B. In some cases, the contraceptive overdose causes a living fertilized human embryo to die. Coercing these prescriptions could be used as leverage to coerce RU-486 abortion drug prescriptions, or participation in various actions necessary for abortions.
We will not tolerate any forced participation in abortions or chemical abortions. We will respect and preserve the right of conscience.
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The Michigan Department of Environmental Quality says in a letter to notorious abortionist quack Alberto Hodari that his Womancare abortion mill in Lathrop Village, MI must retrain employees on proper disposal of medical records, medical waste, and dead babies, all found previously dumped by the abortion mill in a garbage bin.
No fines or prosecutions for the flagrant violations of state law or hazards to public health, safety, and confidentiality, of course, since the perpetrator is an abortionist quack.
Meanwhile, the vigilant pro-life activist who documented the illegal dumping of aborted babies and private patient medical records at abortion mills has been billed $1,100 by the Department of Environmental Quality for the removal of evidence from her property – evidence that she found and presented to DEQ, work which the DEQ should have been doing to protect the public, except for their laziness, negligence, and wearing blinders around abortion mills.
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Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman signed into law bill LB606 to ban taxpayer funding of human cloning for useless, unethical embryonic stem cell research.
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The Idaho House approved 55-11 legislation making it a crime to threaten or harass a pregnant woman as a means to coerce her into committing an abortion, charging a felony crime if violence is inflicted on the mother. However, the bill’s protection for vulnerable mothers has been watered down to define coercion as including only assault and battery, and not threats of eviction, abandonment, reputation loss, job loss, scholarship loss, college career loss, sports career loss, marriage loss, boyfriend loss, friendship loss, or family relationship loss.
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The Lawrence Journal-World’s publication of the AP article citing the increases in premature births and the associated medical problems is fraudulent, in that it leaves out any discussion of abortion as the well-known major risk factor in causing premature births and the associated health risks in infants, as proven in studies over the last two decades or more.
The black race suffers a premature birth rate 3 times higher, because the abortion rate of black babies is 3 times or more higher.
Planned Parenthood’s racist abortionist quacks continue to target the black race for population reduction, visiting these other appalling health statistics on the tiny, defenseless victims in later births for years to come.
See news page
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/mar/26/study_shows_risks_preemies_face/
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A 16-year-old girl of Seligman, MO tried to hide her pregnancy, and hid her newborn girl in a plastic bag in a closet Monday. Investigators say it all started in Bentonville, AR when a doctor who was treating a teen for a miscarriage saw signs that a child was born alive. He called local investigators in Barry County who found the doctor was right but they didn’t find the baby alive. The baby girl was breathing when born, but not when police discovered the tiny body.
There was not a dry eye at the crime scene.
“A 16-year-old girl of Seligman, MO tried to hide her pregnancy, and hid her newborn girl in a plastic bag in a closet Monday.”
Nice Try Fake Butter — This girl miscarried… That has no connection to abortion!! NOBODY would buy that… From your report of this incident, the girl KILLED her new born baby, that actually wasnt mis-carried…. but born alive… She finished it off!! THAT is murder… not abortion… she should be tried for some degree of murder!!
Lame brain!!
“General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!’” -Ronald Reagan